In the late 1920s, the Ford Motor Company bought up millions of acres of land in Brazil. They loaded boats with machinery and supplies, and shipped them deep into the Amazon rainforest. Workers cut down trees and cleared the land and then they built a rubber plantation in the middle of one of the wildest places on earth. But Henry Ford wanted this community -- called “Fordlândia” -- to be more than just a huge plantation. He envisioned an industrial utopia. He paid his Brazilian workers good wages, at least for the region. And he tried to build them the kind of place he would’ve loved to live, which is to say: a small Midwestern town...but in the middle of the jungle.
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I'm roman Mars. In the late nineteenth Twenty, the Ford Motor Company bought up millions of acres of land in Brazil. They loaded
it's with machinery and supplies and ship them deep into the Amazon Rainforest workers cut
trees and cleared the land, and then they built a rubber plantation in the middle of one of the wildest places on earth. Robert development on the top adjust river is an enterprise of historic proportions, donated
Here's a jungle are being converted into our highly modernized plantation capable of produce
large scale, the play
It was the harvest, the rubber and ship it back to Detroit, where it would be turned
into tyres and other parts for forward cars, but Henry Ford
this community, which he called for land to be more.
Then just a huge plantation. He wanted it
be a kind of industrial utopia. He pay
his brazilian workers, good wages, at least for the region and each
the bill than the kind of place he would have loved to live, which is to say a small midwestern town
but in the middle of the jungle
the wilderness, this model community, is self sufficient in every detail. It has its own.
Our house, electric lighting, a telephone system,
its own machine shop, completely equipped with modern tools as a laboratory for processing, rubber and ice planned and the fire department.
You had a church, you head hospital leave at a power plants, you had a big saw mill, that's Roger Weber, he's the host of a pod cast called mismatch and
story is an adaptation of one that recently aired on his show, and so he wanted to create this village for the workers
down in for land area and why?
It's easy to look at him as some greedy imperialist capitalist, very easy. He actually felt that he could help these people a company
with the best of modern equipment and excellently staff provides free medical aid.
For the employees later and outdoor luncheon is served followed by tempting delicacies incomes. There,
A new round of golf played on it.
Adaptation links against a beautiful jungle backdrop. Today, the board plan
Patient is a successful enterprise, a tribute
the scale and science but new weapons.
Twentieth century pioneer.
The reality is that formerly NEA was not successful enterprise. Nor was it really a tribute to skill and science. It was equal,
also expensive and tragic mistake, and it took Henry
for nearly two decades to give up on it
the parable of areas. But the arrogance isn't that Ford Thirty contain and conquer the Amazon historian Gregg ridden. He had us
I'd on something actually much bigger. He thought he could tame and conquer capitalism. Industrial capitalism,
bored wanted to export his brand of industrial paternalism to the Amazon pay workers. Well,
and provide services so that they stay healthy, productive and, most importantly, loyal to the company and- and that didn't happen.
In the early nineties, hundreds a couple of decades before afford set out to build for Libya,
a massive shift- was under way in the rubber industry, for you,
there's. Brazil had been the world's main supplier of rubber, pretty much all
the rubber, with the money to bicycles. I wanted to condoms that wanted to gas. Kids they went into bows. Went in to tie is ok.
From Brazil and the way rubber was cultivated was very labour. Intensive rubber tapirs
would go out into the dense jungle in fine
vertrees. They would slow
the trees, and then they would extract Lee Latex that on the side of the trees, they would boil
In essence, this milky fluid and
into a large boy,
also rubber, which they would then you try to sell
passing it on this kind of very decentralized chain. Up until the wound up in warehouses in Manchester or or in Detroit, rubber tapirs would work.
The year. Tapping rubber and they were part of the year, growing other sustenance.
Crops in order to survive. This was the economy
lasted for years and in Brazil
but this economy could be brutal for workers at the bottom of the production chain as well.
Plantations grew they struggled to find enough workers. Some robber Baron started enslaving, indigenous people in forcing the tap trees, even the worker
that were being paid, didn't make very much the so called latex Lord at the top grew enormously wealthy living
in palatial homes and gilded cities in the jungle
system all started to change because of a british explore name Henry Wickham he'd come to bring,
to seek his fortune in the Amazon and then
Eighteen, seventy six Henry Wickham met
thousands of rubber plant seats and he sent
back to England, and eventually they went to the english colonies. There was
nuclear, no law at the time preventing the export of the seas, but Wickham had applied for
export licence under false pretences. He smuggled de tens of
Thousands of seeds back to England in the hold of a steamship each seed was about,
Ash wait over one thousand pounds.
And he cash not over one thousand pounds
and he may not have known it at the time, but his act of bio piracy would
early transform the rubber trade from
when Wickham's rubber see its travelled to various european colonies. Like Malaysia, Sri Lanka and Indonesia betrays thrived in these warm tropical environments where no blight or bugs had evolved to eat them. Growers set up plantations with rubber trees planted in dense rose in these new colonial plantations, ended up
massively outperforming the traditional brazilian rubber tapirs. Sarah nineteen ten Brazil has, by that you're pretty much lost its control over the rubber industry mean
the new european Robber barons we're talking about setting up a kind of cartel they now
dominated the global rubber trade and they realise that man naked set its prices.
Made a certain american industrialists control freak, extremely nervous, Henry
what was used to controlling everything. Well, if
motor company and in the nineteen twenty pretty much controlled Neil,
material that went into the making of a motor car the glass, the iron, though the wood, the lumber everything except later,
this looming european control? Rubber cartel represented a big threat. If
we're prices went up, it can make the tire
Gas gets and to be more expensive so for one
the great his own rubber supply, but his problem was that rubber
doesn't grow in the. U S so not
it was Henry Ford Vulnerable, but but Brazil was vulnerable and that's
I have the nation of Brazil basically gave him this huge tract of land
about the size of Connecticut to try to start is doomed rubber Plantation Brazil,
It was placing a big bet but betting on it,
Ford wasn't tourist idea, you look at a guy like you,
reforms in all. He had achieved with
I will tea in the five dollar day wage. There
looking at a real opportunity and
better than Henry Ford come down there and restore
the former glory of
of controlling the rubber market,
it was a boondoggle from from the very beginning
companies company shipped in supplies on the topic of river. They brought in
american managers and hired a brazilian workforce. Then they started clearing the land to build for landing the
the jungle of courses is just a very challenging place and right away things started to go wrong. You have four
will. The workers were trying to clear the land. They beware
the other bear chested and would be suddenly covered with biting ants and hornets, and
scorpions and an even worse they would reach in and suddenly a pit viper would buy them and kill them so
where they were dealing with a life and death struggle. Here, eventually, the workers managed to clear the land and build a town in the middle of the rainforest and Ford at a very
the vision for this town. He wanted it to feel
these small midwestern towns he associated with his childhood. He
drop a farm. He believed
There was a kind of
the connection between between agriculture and industry,
it's crazy. That seems he he saw them kind of intermingling and he
really brought these boyhood memories
The farm into his adult life, just
I'll yearning for
bygone era. This nostalgia
was for a very narrow slice of America, small town, mostly
he White America that
sports model for Fort Land, even though he
importing it into a very different cultural environment. When you got a Ford, Landy, others an uncanny next to it, a familiarity, it doesn't seem exotic, could seem very recognisable
the company then set up plantation style, rubber fields, lots of trees densely planted
dial the colonial rubber tree plantations in South EAST Asia, they started recruiting even
more brazilian workers from the surrounding areas in a lot of them were excited to work for Ford Ford was proud.
Seen something they'd, never really had free healthcare free education.
He wasn't a guy just running roughshod over that area. He felt he could improve. The wives.
These workers, and this wasn't just for being benevolent. This was for being strategic,
back in the. U S, he discovered if you paid his workers well and let the more reasonable hours, if you didn't totally exploit them, in other words,
he could dramatically reduce turnover
that's what you wanted to do in Brazil and assessed
they're trying to apply lessons from the factory to a plantation at
exactly what they're trying to do. That's Matt Anderson from the Henry Ford Museum being interviewed by Roger try to run a planting
in South America,
though it were up industrial fish.
But here in the MID West, in bringing the time flocks had the workers or gave our shifts clock on clock off, I serve them cafeterias style lavish that part of the world so forbidding to what he was trying to accomplish. Part of the problems were cultural.
People down there were produced to living a different where they were not used to the eight hours a day for a factory clock shift that were used to hear in the United States, and part of that was with very good reason. The climate there's very different there, just two hundred and fifty,
Our soften, the equator temperatures routinely did well over a hundred degrees. During the heat of the day they were used to going into work in the early morning hours before the Hebrew they kicked up, taking a break for several hours in the middle of the day. Coming back at the end of the day to finish up and processed,
the way for did think she'd punching a nine each word right till five, and that was it. Then other problems started to become clear back in the states. Ford have created and industrial system will, workers can actually afford to buy the products they made, but in the Amazon there wasn't really that wants to buy. There was no consumer society within the Amazon, so they didn't actually need the high
pages. That Ford was promising. They would work a few weeks or a few months and then they would disappear and they would go back into into Ino into the jungle to two to work. Their plot stood to produce their own food, and maybe they come back the following year and this one,
this would drive the Ford manages mad.
Love the Amazon. The topic was river, just proved insurmountable
in the in the middle of the Amazon. The culture Henry River just proved insurmountable idea
is about how societies should be arranged and what people should enjoy. For example, he left
the ideas about how societies should be arranged and what people
should enjoy, for example, he loved square dancing. He met his wife, Clara at a square dance
and so he figured well. We ve got this big hall down there and in four Landy until its place, some square dancing music address
surprise. You know wasn't all that popular down there, who would have thought
it was also a teetotaller. So even though drinking was legal in Brazil prohibited in Fort Lando, again you have him.
For trying to impose
his will thinking. Well, it works for us in America.
A lot of Americans at the time didn't think the prohibition work, but he was
golly, he was going to make it work in Brazil and bitter
he wasn't going to make it work in Brazil, some savvy entrepreneur or set up a bar and brought her on a little island near for Latvia. They called it. The island of innocence
ladys and they were technic
play outside one sovereignty of Ford's control.
Couldn't do anything to stop at night
and then there was the food. Henry
for it was a vegetarian and an early advocate of
the eating and so,
a he. One of them do eat whole wheat products, and he just felt that this was gonna, be better for their health,
This actually lead to a riot, the right hand,
in nineteen thirty work.
Resented having to eat the exact kind of food that Henry Ford told them to eat
but the other problem was that they did.
Lisa launched the workers, restaurant style with waiters will then somebody got the
Listen, we have the assembly line up in the United
they'd. So, let's hear them eat cafeterias style, it's more efficient. We can keep track of things. Well, the workers absolutely hated that approach.
They felt like there are being treated like cogs in a in a week,
and suddenly went on a rampage and the town was was practically destroyed
one of the first targets. What their time clocks, which they smashed to pieces
yes, the managers actively right that manages actively on boats and unintelligible.
This is right, because of because of the fury of this uprising and- and it was the time, was eventually retaken with the help of brazilian security and
and then, rather than give up Ford recommended,
point even more money into enter, trying to realise this been western ideal at this,
for it was only a few years into this ward landing experiment and it wasn't the pain off, but they come
you just kept pouring money into the rubber Plantation Grandin, says they're always seem to be a way to justify the project, meaning
I didn't twenties, there's gonna, be a symbol of what industrial capitalism could bring to. The backwater of the Amazon
nineteen thirty. During the depression, it becomes a symbol of how to survive the downturn and besides who
is going to say no to Henry Ford
No one really had the commission that determination, the bravery perhaps to challenge Ford on these big decisions, because now he was
to follow more more as the years went by God said in his ways that was at his word was was what was going to happen
for land here, was up against insurmountable challenges more than the time clocks more than the square
seen more than the way meals were served. The real problem was bugs the insects and funds
that word, the rubber trees, natural predators in the Amazon. Ford hadn't
really bothered to learn anything about botany or agronomy before embarking on his forehead, the experiment. He didn't trust the experts
it's that could have warned them what
getting into. In fact he didn't trust experts at all
demeaned the idea of of export sort of slowing the progress of
the idea in his experience. They can go to the factory floor
and maybe they had a problem with a widget or a watch it and they would have trial and error, and they would
figure it out.
And they didn't need some body with the title or
location in some specially to tell them what to do. That was part of the problem with this that I think Ford botting to his own kind of invincibility zone press. If you will thinking that he could just go to
there and take this kind of raw jungle and turn it into an industrial enterprises working industrial enterprise, and, I think, he's some
Eyes were bigger than his stomach, so to speak. His ambitions got ahead of his abilities in this case,
because he wasn't willing to listen to. The experts was
going to bring them on board you're using far far too deeply over his head,
the problem was that rubber trees had never grown in the Amazon in the way that the Ford company was trying to grow them in
plantations with trees.
Did in tight rose. This group
style might have worked in the South EAST asian plantations run by Europeans. That's because the
on there hand evolved to eat rubber trees in Brazil.
This density ended up, creating an environment where name
bugs that fed on rubber trees thrived what fort was
Basically doing was building a giant incubator and
which he had that the bugs and
eight and the fungi that feed off her brother was able to grow
potentially because the trees were close together programme.
There were these caterpillars that were very fond of rubber trees. One of the predators were caterpillars right and at first
All of the caterpillar warn the bottom of the leaves support,
Lando, the managers with send out battalions of workers to pick the category
may even gathered while the caterpillars together in and in buckets and then put them together and then had a huge bonfire, but with it
a few years. Guess what happened there, when the cattle
those were actually eating. The least
from the bottom, they will leave me in the least from that up. Suddenly you couldn't actually see them, and so, therefore you couldn't take them
and again, they replanted the trees only to have him killed off by pasts this
on four years and then decades,
it wasn't until nineteen, forty five that Ford finally decided to shut down for landing at that point can refer
had turned the company over to his grandson enforced,
India, with it and within a few months he
hold it back to the brazilian government
like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and then it was over
Henry Ford died a couple of years later and after all, the money and time invested weirdly
he never even visited Fort Land, he'd orchestrated all of it,
right down to the square dances from his home thousands of miles away in Michigan
part of it. Maybe he was just afraid of going in seeing the veil
therein farce and so to speak, and we certainly was reading the reports. The memos knew. What
for land, there is still a town today and although a lot of the old buildings are now falling down, people continue to live their historic.
Has visited twice that's two times more than Henry Ford ever did for those of you keeping count grand and made the Dana half long trip up the topic,
Can you to live their historic,
Greg Grand has visited twice. That's two tonnes:
more than Henry Ford ever did for those of you keeping Count Brandon.
The data, have long trip up the tapajos river by boat? You,
Turn you just come around a bank and then all of a sudden, you see this enormous
on this? I want a tank and back in the day that the word for it was written on the water tank and and and and you can see the outlines of
was Ford. Landy is still. There is now a regular town. Brazilians are moved in and taken over all of the houses,
you still get a sense of what it looked like in the nineties.
When he's a nineteen thirty's Gaza and went to Prague,
my house is very close from my house. We can see the water tower
that's honour, heaters, Sosa and she's lived in for land use since two thousand nine european law.
Lesbian kilometer- we can see it. The water tower is beautiful, its historic God is wonderful.
There aren't many jobs left in the area for the two thousand inhabitants of fourthly, India, most
The economy in the region now revolves around industrial soybean production and cattle ranches, there's a little
tourism to which people
like Sosa account on she works at a hotel in town had said, we re smart people from all countries,
they search for the history. They are curious to see in person this history. What is left there are a few things. Yet they come to the village, the big houses cool, the cemetery, the hospital.
Pow people come to see. What's left of affords crazy vision, the Americans,
I'll town in the middle of the brazilian jungle, the culturally
sensitive and paternalistic boondoggle that, for all its faults, still crew,
It had good paying jobs for its workers away far from gaining finding out that of bringing him
before Miss Barry Audacious at the time to investors
origin in Brazil in a foreign land. I think he's very interesting audacious,
Americans are very like this. It was school, he did there as it.
I'm he created a lot of jobs, resilience people from all
two here looking for a job,
so's- I wasn't there to see all the ways for landing went wrong for her the haste.
They represent a time when the sleepy town was. The focus of a massive experiment by world
a famous industrialist now,
its crumbling all buildings for land here is a different kind of
our civilization, then you'd expect to find in the middle of the Amazon amid West Fantasy land returning to the jungle.
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definitely changed the way that Elizabeth teaches constitutional law. At you see Davis.
I'm so sorry, my class and ass, the good. What would you like to talk about the semester? You'll try to address on those things there. All trump relate
they all are. No, basically, you know whatever the topic is. Can he do that? Is he allowed to do that and I think that's been what's really remarkable, as we had very different to be merged student, I think in it
sure of constitutional law, its very different just to be an american today. To think about. Will it's normal in terms of expecting certain kind of behavior out of an american president? That's totally changed were using the opportunities teach people about the constitution in Newgate
and that seems to be going on beyond the reach of this podcast.
That a silver lining that you see in all this that people are actually talking about? The fourth amendment in the tenth amendment do take pleasure in that,
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The people are slowly discovering that, despite the fact that we have
constitution- and we have so many Supreme Court decision on a variety of topics- the real
that was always binding us, the cohesion. The glue for society was norms. That
no, it wasn't the law. The law came second, that
The norms actually make our shared except
variants of government should be possible and when those
or to unravel people are under
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Do you have a greater sense that we are dependent on worms than you did know eighteen months ago? Absolutely
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