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Blake Griffin

Blake Griffin is an American professional basketball player for the NBA the Detroit Pistons. Blake chats with the armchair expert about growing up playing basketball with his dad and brother, learning to be a leader amongst players who are older than him and he talks through his game-day routine. Dax asks about Blake’s experience with racism and Blake discusses managing money. They talk about balancing egos and Blake shares what he learned after enduring an injury early in his career.
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Welcome, welcome all gummed armchair expert on deck shepherdess joined by Monica Pad man. Are you do in doing re doing right is June glue Lobo June Glim, but we have the windows open in the attic and that's really pleasant, fearsome mom cars on the thoroughfare, don't panic or getting run over. We just have the windows open today we have an incredible athlete: Blake Griffin, Blake is MBA power forward. Six time all star he's currently plain for my town Detroit pistons. He also was the two thousand eleven rookie of the year, any played with the clip says here in LOS Angeles from two thousand and two thousand eighteen. In addition, all that Blake has a new health and Wellness focused podcast called the pursuit of healthiness, the pursuit of helping us, which is launching an audible this August and I M a guest on it. You, yes, this is how we got to know Blake, just an incredible interview, we're so excited. We decided we
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go slash. Dax he's a money, Vienna floored around this. I need to get right at it. Did you watch last answer? Yes, I watched every episode. multiple times multiple times, not a braver? Some wondering like it's so fascinating. For us, we dump play the game it's gotta be even more fascinating for you right, because for us there was a tan, so I can even imagine like what your experience of that is. Yes and the crazy parties is like most of those stories. I've heard I've been a Jordan athlete for Jordan Shoe athlete for eight years now. So I
Then I got decent amount of time around Michael and he told them Dennis Rodman story, one time we're in China at dinner and he told the Rodman story. He also had We had some more details on air and so forth long time. That was like my story, that that was my M J story that he told me. So that was like how I like Rui milk, that I was like you we're sitting at dinner, Rodman, let you know like I was there, when I hear the story being Toil MIKE Mike, there goes my like best story. I still have couple details that, like a word in their second still like you know when people over with that, I knew a lot of stuff already all the stories about him like playing golf like it on your days before games like I'd, heard those stores over and over, but I
seeing it all together and then also having the context of like what was happening in the season at the time also did the behind the scenes. Footage is amazing, him being so. Rude some like mess and with a camera before they run out the tunnel for a play off game just blows my mind, because I could never do that. my God, you guys today, can really do that. Your watch. What what's your disposition just prior to a game? A play off game is like very, very like the whole play us with very serious. For so many years has just nothing outside of Atwater coach Doc. Rivers with the cleverest always talked about having your box. You know your family can be in your box. Everything else has to be outside everything else. You know it sounds crazy with the classes, you know what we will play for is the most aims, and now I sort of look at it from a different perspective. Some like now I play all these games during the regular season. I've been playing bass for my whole life and they're they're a little bit more loose. I take obviously take basketball seriously but they're much more of those. We play eighty two games. You can't be that serious before
single game. So why am I now? I changing how I prepare for like more important game should I just still be doing the same thing, it's never drive me crazy. If I were you yak, as I remember seeing Bill Murray on Letterman Letterman's like how are you so good? Are you so consistently good over all these years and he said well, I tried to just be calm and know, it'll come and I'm like what a fucking, wonderful approach to everything. Do you think that could be similar and sportswear? It's like, if you just had some faith and some belief and you were loose and flowy to a certain extent you, I thought you were talk about Bill Mary before the space GM game like living space would use huge again became a big. be delivered? Yes, I know because, like for me, like
you have she rounds in the morning. I can feel great it. She roundhead every shot. I can now. Why get to the arena as before I go on the coroner shooting I could feel great and then you come out the game I might just it might be one of those nights where I just miss every shot, So in a way it's like yeah, you can still have an effect on the game you're, even if you're missing shots, but it to me it's more than that like for me. I have to be in the right mind space. So it's it's a little bit for me personally to little bit more concentration, not a crazy amount. Before games. I like go through like a visualization exercise where I see the ball being tipped. I see where I am I walk through ten to twelve situations that I want to do well that game. I know the other team. We're playing is better at this. I know we're better that I know where I want to get two of my spots on the floor so once I started doing that that helped me a lot but in a way you have to just breathe and let the game come to you, but it's it's sort of the toy where you can feel great and and go into and be doing all the right things and just have a bad game.
as you have so many other variables, the were described his like our team, then there's also a team of professionally trained men trying to stop us from doing what we ve been practicing. Do you not immediately sure sure yeah yeah anything about those terms, so always funny could coaches like who go over offices. I guys if we just run this, if you just contrary timing this this in this score, and then we really going over deepens like guys if you just get to the right spot, they can't score any about things happening, coaches them, because I should like one sixty zero if ever work with sport psychologist help with that visualization are come over the routine com do you have I've found the I sought to get me. From my reading books, I got an mba a lot of coaches? Let's give give you books here and there there's a really great one about tennis, the psychology of tennis, I'm gone
right on the name right now, but I did have Lego awful experience with a team psychologist team sport psychologist one time it was like a right the beginning of the NBA's sort of pushing for most teams that have one until we get this guy and he's like you know me to be spending time with every player you'll come by your house. If that works, he came by my house when I actually like. After practice, we shouldn't talk for like two hours and was great and then he leaves I gotta take a shower. I come back up a voice mail from him, and my God must like lesson I listen to and he's like, hey coach. This is so and so just left legs how had a really interesting conversation outside now, never told him home again. So what did he violate your privacy to detail the coach anything I dont know if that was the last time I was worked on. Ok, I, I was just signal when I done it totally off topic, but if you seen some kind of monster? The metallic a documentary now I have urged-
see it they bring in a psychologist to help them. They can't record an album, it's all real in there there is fighting they bring in a psychologist and slowly but surely psychologists thing season, Metallica when he just wants to be onto- or you want to be backstage all this stuff and finally, the guys realize, like our only problem is this fucking we got rid of the gambling- is an early in the morning. It so growls idea. The power of metallic is stronger than any degree. You could get like a view that close Mattel that you want to be in the tail ago. I would assure this I'm curious by your opinion on one thing. Has one of the big moments in the document which I thought was when you know they were asking all the other players about him and there are like his top using you know: you're really pushes you in and then he's looking back at them saying if any getting emotional at the idea there, he pushed people quote too hard,
No a lot of people who have him played team sports will look at that and some people think of him as like narcissistic or a tyrant, and as someone in it. What's your opinion on that those different levels to mirror which form of competitiveness you would bring out the best, I think yeah because, like the way he sort of went about it is if you are playing hard and bus in your ass he really when at leg Steve Kerr. The way he went at Scarborough, nice guy, but your ass today so like, I think, it's sort of depends on the type of person and have a player you are. I just always connect with people were very competitive, very serious about their craft, in which he was like you heard get emotional towards the internet. One interview unease, like you know, that's not the way you want to go about this game or this crap. You know you shouldn't be playing in like using tears at the end because, like that's just how he's wired and yeah a member hearing like oh man when he comes out here now
Michael Jones Asshole? I'd watch? I just I didn't see that, but I am also very buys very biased he's the best. About time. In my eyes, I'm not by us it. I have no connection to Basque about a sorry, my hands and I was like. Oh my god. I was in love with the documentary an HIM and of your, and I also could see yeah he's just pushing people to their potential he's not pushing them pass that Agnes, Monica one bright for herself but to time state champion cheer? So just she knows what it's like to be of a champion. Congratulations already and grow up Georgia broke out, I'm from mobile home. Unlike cheers a huge thing, you know, go to our high school state, cheer competitions. It's like you say that out here legs yeah, you don't get it, they don't get it
I have drawn lines. We don't have like a tonic, competitive cheer. There is enormous and allow you mention here that we had coaches that yeah. If someone walked in the building, I got these people are abusive, but it does because pull out, but I think the best pushes you there's a big parallel when I'm watching that stuff. I keep thinking about directors like so some of the best directors of this it is infamous reputations of just being fuckin assholes right in, and I always want to believe I'd like to believe you can be great and be kind, and I guess, like a coach like peak care all right I looked at him and, unlike
Are they one man and he was kind and whose understanding it was sympathetic, and I would even say a coach Veal Jackson that he wouldn't like us screamer. He was kind of a, but you know the Zen Buddhist as they say in, and so it's hard to know what will produce results. Isn't it you have to have seen every single approach at this point, you there's a different levels. There are different types of kosher, so high school is obviously not that serious, but it is serious in certain places and coaches can be hard on you, but they also the thai school kids like this. Kid might have just had a geometry class so, like you can't completely buried this kid when they go to college and even more so back when I played like that even ten years ago, colleges, the coaches have em all the power and the players that you just get in line with huge, can't miss class you're, not talking back to the car you're, just they're, doing exactly what you're told and then, if you can
to the next level. I remember getting into the league and one at the time I got to the clippers, who were not a very good team and it was just He asked the players are making way when the coaches so like The players are there, member a guy if he was on the team already like a vet. It's on the fifty five million dollar contract and he's like Mana got fifty five million reasons. Why don't have to listen to him your whole nerds. So it's is complete the different every level and then within that there's different styles of coaches and my colleague ghosts. Wasn't one of those guys. That was a super super. Our ass. There were some crazy ones, and I heard about, but Then the league I've had some who are meal. We practice tartar, some who were more just like players, coaches, assorted opinion Stylin, like I think. If you come off as genuine and authentic and it's you it'll work, whether it's the hard, no stylist, the laid back style, but you can't fake it. If you fake it guys, will sniff that out and you lose the locker room in a heartbeat.
Will you write that leap from college to the NBA? There's a huge leverage switch to rightly get the money. If someone's gonna get fired from the bowls, it was not gonna, be Michael Jordan, and I would say even in the most, the teams you ve been on, the coach is private and fire before you are right. That's an interesting, dynamic, yummy, different, sorted waste about me, like firing versus getting traded, is really just a, and sometimes it's better for the team that if the direction is not necessarily the coach in some just the other way around. You know, but but yes, job security for she's in the NBA. It's gotta be up there with the one of the worst in the world and if your code says either you fire. Blake. Are you fire me odds? Are he's gettin fire view say either you fired Are you fire me? I think the still the coach is getting fired. Most situations players have more power of my coach now join case use in Toronto. Toronto.
They're one their best years of all time they gotta play out playoffs loss to in the playoffs for like the third year in a row, he won coach of the year in the NBA as voted by his peers in the media and then got fired. Ah ha. Spock in brutal, the NBA Ward shows in like July, I think, and so he had to go up and accept his to the year word while he was interviewing frontier job Ass, a sister you now, where are you gray with fire you're. Not you can just admit it s, just a shitty says, yeah, yeah, yeah, Monica our obsesses monarch and I are both pretty superstitious, even though I don't believe in a higher power or anything. I yet Believin superstition and we love how super issues athletes are like. We were always picking up on the different things and it is it such a ripe, fertile ground to life. Oh, I drank a cow
Happy one minute before I went through the thing and I scored fifty points like you have a ton of little routines. You do yeah. I refer to them as routines as opposed to superstitions, because if something goes wrong and it doesn't happen, I don't want to have that thing in my mind that I I'm gonna play bad and the routine for me is just to get through playing eighty two games and having to do the same seeing every single day in a way it did sort of sounds backward, but it keeps me sane because for my job I have to do a certain amount of things on a game day. So I don't people always ask me this question. I can get super deep and go through. I have so many from the time I wake up until the time. I guess my last one would be at when we warm up again to half time cuz. Then, once the game is going, it's all. You know
the window icily, I saw you. I come to the been for time out. So do the same thing tat. I have routines that I could spend way too much time talking about him through their certain ones, where I just do the same thing at every time and for us to move to the arena. There's like the clock is on right. So at ninety minutes the clock starts a countdown till game. Time before that? I'm using my phone timer seconds the game three hours early? So I'm doing all my stuff for that once that ninety starts like and then I have a thing where I'm all places in the arena. There's that countdown clock. So I know I sixty five minutes. I'm eating my pre game, snack, sixty two minutes, I'm on the table ongoing massaged, while forty eight minutes- I start getting taped. finish around forty two minutes. I have seven minutes before our pre game and even put my music to that. So I like make a playlist, so I want to listen to like this
songs at certain times of the ILO. This it I love it. I would do all that stuff. How have girlfriends responded to that routine? Have so women like you? You have to do all this bullshit. For the most part, I would say: they're very understanding is because they see how much I care about it, but yeah. It's is for sure. It's taxing, because if they're like at home or like that the house I'm gone for sure I come back, I have to take my shower soon. As I get home, I eat lunch. I'm watching film. I take a nap. I wake up, I get dramatic another shower dressed. You know what I mean. It's like, there's not a lot of time, there's maybe an hour or maybe forty five minutes in there, where I can just sit and talk yeah there's no real room for another person and that that routine yeah, but after the games practice days, you know those where you sort of make up for that, especially with my kids tooth de. I can barely see him and now my sons of the age where I can take him pre aim with me to where he can
be in the locker room? I got to the game. He comes in the locker room. He sits next to me in my locker and I can share that with him like. I won't really be able to do that with my daughter I mean yes, yes, because the nature of a locker room, so many penises as well talking about anywhere, I'm a little nervous Your son no cause- that's, probably a misleading group of folks to look at their penises young man. I'm using a very big gentlemen learn. Ok, so great, so you do all those things. I love that there's so much shit. You can't control that. being able to control every little moment that you can. Control helps give the elite vision of control, maybe about here
sure, and not every guys like this, but I have found the most the look, the really good players or the consistent players who are in the league for a long time, and you have their role, players and eight they manage to be merely for a long time. They have these sort of routine and I've had teammates, who have even more than I have an like actual superstitions attitude may who like before he would run locker him to go into the tunnel before we ran out. Would like spin around three time you like about it. I don't necessarily have those well sort of her yet it's about being in control for me for sure, because I guess said wrong doing so much that it helps put me this place like oh, I know what I'm doing all I'm ready for this. You know this is from. Oh yeah, and even on the road? now I ve been in a league for long enough. It like I know, every road arena, so I know how my routines gonna change a little bit going into that because of this lock room the trainers here yeah.
You eat it like the same restaurant in every city, and you could try to get this hotel, Romania, that stuff, just by the nature of how teams travel. I sort of do get the same room, a room type everything time? I got to know when we're in Chicago I'll be all the way to the corner of that outlet in the others for corner I'll, be at one. Four corners, so I know the room, yeah restaurants, kind of hands. I have friends, city. Then I'll, let you know I maybe I'll go out tonight before I'll, go with the team and we'll go to a familiar place, but it's not sort of the things I eat room service for like the morning of and then I order room service from my pregame meal. I take it with me. Are you kind of like a forty four? Peter like what what's ideal for you as an athlete I'm saying forty percent carbs forty percent protein, twenty percent fat. So for
my lunch and pre game meal, I would say to a little bit higher and on cars- are complex, carbs, yeah and then right before all or do a little bit more protein at these homeric protein bars. I've been doing for like six years now that are like just another part of my routine. I eat those it name tat, you know yeah. Oh man, I'd like to follow you on one of these days. It is watch every little details, a thief. I like yeah, we'll save years ago that it makes me feel safe Now I gotta as it seems like it- must be such a giant shift from when you're playing to them when you're just out on your own right, because all that regimented living in knowing plan, and then I was in just the lights, which turns off right. It isn't it in a just meant or d try to just maintain this kind of militant schedule in the off season. What what's it like, transitioning, back and forth, o totally two different lives like season is so scheduled and so
like. You said militant in and everything's laid out. I'm! U. We know our schedule for what three months before the season starts, eight like an April I no one may be doing our fourteenth in October. So yes, I know I was certain parts when it comes to like working out when it comes to like doing the things I need to any off season, I'm very meticulous about it and very like schedule. I do the same thing but other stuff, I swear. It is kind of wing, and I- and I owe it also where to get it in the season even playing for seven months now, so you have to take time off so you go from every single day having something you do from morning to night and then once you lose in the play off, she don't know when it's going do you lose in the next day you wake up and you don't have to set an alarm. You don't have practice, you don't necessarily have to eat super healthy. You can kind of relax. You want to work out. So very weird transition to wear when I was younger, I would like sort of like going like a pen watch game of thrones at one point and I'd lock myself,
theatre for like two weeks straight and washed five seasons, a gamer Thrones hell, yeah, we lost in a play out one time and it was just like my way of dealing with being sad about. You know not not being to play off anymore, but yes, weird you have taken. I find that by that transition gets easier. The older yet That kind of appeals to me, because I am I ve always liked and it's not healthy, so I either a perfect or a fucking terrible I've been big and in health and nutrition for a long time. My mom is like just a very, very well versed persons, not interested. Knows a lot and grew up eating very healthy. I was a kid that, like My brother, I would take like barley, green, which is sort of like the equivalent of a green juice. Now I as a powder, We mix it with water. We drink at every morning take like fish oil. Since we were So I wow all this stuff is like not like crazy to me right, I've sort of like wrapped up in I
third season in the NBA. I was like the season, I'm going to be so strict just to the teeth, and I did until like March came around and I was so burned out. I hadn't like had candy or, like you know, any bad and I just fell off the wagon and I just like having like right before the playoffs, and I was like dude that was stupid like it now. I have it right here. figure out where I can balance this set an unrealistic goal, but also taught me an important lesson, not just about food and nutrition just about everything I q can't you can't just restrict yourself from doing certain things, because those are gonna help balance life and I still struggle with I'm not great at it, but that's sort of my routine now, especially during this quarantine, is like. I try to eat healthy for six days and then Sunday I go, you know, do whatever I want and then Monday, I'm back on it. Yeah yeah,
Your dad was a track and field star and he played college basketball, Writin Cosmos room for oil and football. While how big is he he's like six filing for six for now, with six five beguile? Oh boy, while Look my mom's five eleven. Why out did they meeting college know they actually both taught at the same high school in Oklahoma? Ok, so you got you in your brother. You have an older brother and you guys we're home school year, so my mom and dad both being teachers recognised how poor biochemist city- I don't know. If you remember from three years ago there was a huge public school teacher, lock out of school teacher compensation is often stato along. It might be like busybodies bottom five. and they just made a decision early on, like they can afford for us to got a private school, so my mom is like a permanent staff working on a homeless call them and we'll figure it out. You know as well
also we were lucky because our homes course like led by she'd, been teaching for fifty nears nor I M an annual at each year. There wasn't like a walk in the park. We she had like a lesson plan. We have like a schedule. I had it, but is also great because I could wake up it. Eight. Do my choice. Nine o clock STAR School, twelve o clock be done because I didn't have any wasted time. My mama teach my lesson out finish our Moulinex one, I'm just pay. My man knock it out. And so I wasn't being deprived of, like a true learning experience and then also sports for me, and my brother Bailey Play for sports during the year. So we were constantly around friends, first from sports or friends in the neighborhood. So far us it really worked out, and then we got to a certain point. My dad left the Oklahoma City public schools and took a job at a private school so that we could go there
in school. Ok, so now how much of your desire to play basketball was your own desire and how much of it was wanting to do whatever Taylor did us a little bit of both? My dad was great because finger baseball coach in in make us. Sports. We wanted to play sports made us do as finnish once we had started started. and you're, not quit ever quit everywhere. Even think I ever wanted to quit anything and he also encouraged us to play whatever we wanted. Like I love soccer, growing up, loved baseball football basketball. Golf like we would put we play street hockey. We would do whatever his belief was that you know once ports can help you with another sport
just team building being around kids working with other people, learn how to be a leader in him, a member from the time, oh so young, my dad, like just trilling in my brain, if you think you're a good player in and you have the ability, it's your job, to help make your teammates better, and so I remember him always teaching the lesson of like you can't throw the ball to him, like you thought, to him. So those who think that was learning is a kid. I realized I was learning, but I was learning to like deal with people and work with people and figure out people strengthen like maximize them in such a way that it was like just a fun game for me yeah. I didn't realize I was doing it at the time and what's what a leader does right? Let me know when you watch last dancer like I'm, trying to explain to Monica cuz. She was never in the basketball that happen to be like the ten year phase. I was obsessed
I'm from Detroit. Eighty eight, eighty, nine I'm in seventh grade, so I love basketball, cuz of them. But I'm trying to explain to her I'm like there's so much involved, I'm like Allen Iverson. If you just watched him play, you probably say OU's the best. Ever I mean I could score that his handles everything was insane, but then There'S- as other components. Can you get the best out of guys? Can you lead a team to victory net? That seems to be a whole different skill set. Remember strive to navigate that when I first got in Vietnam. Assure my first got things when you first used from keep your head above water, but then you, after a couple of seasons, you're trying to figure out how to become
the leader amongst men, yeah yeah, I'm twenty one years old and my teammates are thirty five with you, no kids that are like in middle school, so I I can't connect with him in the same way that I can connect with my college. Teammates are like the guys that are my age. So remember like started going on a journey to like you, no talk to different guys and one guy to talk to Duncan that stood out to me the motion, it's where, because of growing up, I was like never attempt on vat in like dislike most like the spurs are boring like they dislike. now their fundamental. They do this. These six thank showers, my dad jewel in my head as well, but this soon as I the league I was like. Oh, I get it like this guy's, you know what I mean he was one of those guys who are the top me within the game like playing while I was playing against them that, like it's okay to like mess with guys, it's okay to like be fun, like station. I would like line up next to him. I got the free throw line and he look over and be like. Not you again like you're still. You know
that type of stuff where they might be like a little dad joke, but like the heat of a game, it was so disarming to me that they, like this amazing player, was like taking time to like you, don't have these little jokes with me. aside things with me. He was so unique in that every time I once again and we were always against them in the final, so I wasn't rooting firm per se, but he was the guy more than any other players ever played. Where I be like hold out what they do say. He has thirty eight points when I miss that, like he was so not a flash player, but he was just so goddamn consistently. up doubled up a double up up up up their guarding him was so fresh and because you cannon, like especially towards the end, is like you come and knew what he was gonna do, but you just working assize like Lorraine, reside. Ok, like he's just like physically, very good player, and he can overpower some guys. He can jump over some guys. It's just like he's bees, not beating you with speed he's necessarily beating you with quickness or
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dollars on asleep number three: sixty c4 smart bed now just twelve. Ninety nine! Only for a limited time at sleet number stores or sleep number dot com, slashed acts So how did you transition? Can you point The moment where you were like? Okay, I'm going to be the leader of this team. It was weird for me because, when I got drafted into everyone's like eighteen games a year before the clippers and the clippers are one hundred and eighteen years ago before and I got to the team is a destination, were guys would come to the end of their careers to like sign a one year deal or play just an hour in a no good sit here, and religion really been like superstars, those weird because then my first here, we should do things like a carers guidelines, young guys, gonna play these young guys and so sort of one of the older ones at least take that was on the court and I swear I had my own way of of of leading men and then that there
next summer. We traded for getting Chris Paul. Who is one of the best point hours of all time and because we got him now, like no other older guys wanted to come to the team and play there is sort of became destination released was starting to so then our team got very old again and I was sort of lost in that. It was a very weird thing for me to navigate of trying to like be a leader trying to get better as a basketball player but then also like, learn from these guys. It was a hard thing for me to sort of figure out, and I never really liked talked about it in that sense, but it was. It was like how do I, how do I navigate like all these different things, while still just trying to be a where yeah by the way, it's not like arrogance it your responsibility. If you are the these scoring threat on the team, you know it's your job. To do that, you can't you have to take on that role. It would be ridiculous.
not too. Yet it was sort of weird for me too, because my first like several years, I was more physical, like I would just try to dunk and rebounding and really just try to like impose your will physically on people and didn't have some of the same skills that you develop over time, and I remember like my rookie year, sort of like blowing up in terms of like use becoming more well known as a player and ensure a stepping onto that true MBA, stage and then my whole rookie year. We were bad as before we gotta was guys and India Games.
close game. We weren't supposed to win their super young. It was just like people like watching this cuz we were just fun to watch. Games like we lost it was no big deal is like oh he's finished, with twenty points and twelve rebounds like math amazing, like rookies, aren't doing that and then it's so quickly changed to like. I, like he's, got me doing this this, and this now, and I just heard so much negative and so much hate that I, like sort of like turn myself off the weather, was some reporters or some people are like. I just fed into much to that and I closed myself off and looking back. I wish I'd handled it But again I was twenty one years old and why are you not to say that the only be super young Bulgaria's fucking, your child? I wanna get into a lot of that. Actually, but I gotta say you do your profession is so unique, and I thought this had so many basketball games I'm here in some guy, who literally can't take a flight of steps or to have a heart attack scream
grant hill in informing him how he should do that job and I think, what other profession or their people who no fucking nothing about it in, can accomplish any of it forty screaming at the people who are exports as I let you go to court room and there's a bunch of dipshit see screaming at the judge about jurisprudence. It's insane but, alas you're in the one occupation, where people just scream at you of how you should be doing your job and none of them can do your job and the fact that you guys can handle. That is amazing to me, you know what I think you're just like prepared to handle is because, like when you start planning high school and you go to opposing high school, they have their student section and they're yelling stuff at you, so from even in youth basketball. Now it's so bad that other parents are like necessarily heckling, like fans, you now, but I dare say and stuff they're getting crazy like a kid for now, they're like no yelling whatever it is so you're sort o you you, you climb. Those levels of in person
in arena. Endgame like heckling, what you're not prepared for is the media and what I wasn't prepared for. A twitter had just started yeah and right. When I got drafted, it was two thousand and nine room. Twitter was relatively new. That's what I wasn't prepared for it. beings so like publicly scrutinised so in such a personal way, because you can not re articles if you're on Twitter, it's hard not to see stuff, and I have to imagine there also making character judgments of your right salute what they're, probably saying and I'd, I'm completely unaware, whatever they were saying at the time, but I will say when they start saying like: can he led this team or bubble bloody? These are like character, assessment
Have you not? Are you physically talented? Can you score the others? One time earlier on in my career might have actually been my second year where we had lost two games in a row. Maybe I got stitches and I was in the back for a long time after the game and don't normally a media comes in a locker room or you know you have to go to like the press conference room. So I'm back in the long run. For so long, I come out no media in the locker anymore, and I asked our guys, like you, my good, unless I get your good like, I thought I didn't have to go. Speak that day after I get my stuff, I go home and I see this art from this european rider about how, after two back to back losses, I left one of my teammate out to aunt. The one did go the press conference I left him out to dry, and that shows exactly who I am the players is just a situation. Words like spoken. After almost every game, my whole life
because I didn't that one time now, a character assumption has been made. But why should you have do anyway like what? What does that have to do you playing on a game, they require to speak to the media. I get three times I once before. After shoot around, went before the game and once actually in the way I get around talking before the game. As I go into the trainer of your in the training don't have to speak but now I also sort to have an understanding with our team. Be writers like hey, I'm, trying to speak for the game, I'll stay after and talk to you now God, whatever you need. I was kind of Septa set that up beforehand and most people are very you know very conscious of that. But then you go onto away arena and like somebody's, be right or might not know that, so you can have to do the whole thing, but I got a pr. Guy does a good job now, but it wasn't. using or another envy insanely unique thing about your job. Is that, like we ve all fucked up at work right, we all fail at our job, the nose
that right after the failure at your job, you have to go out in answer seems to be scrutinised about your failure. I mean really is a unique human situation to be in that cannot come. Naturally, yeah- and I also I had this bit then like- I always have a stand up. Charity shown chair even every year until I sometimes I do like a little like my own version of a five minute set. You know, and one of my things was it's not only that till I have a bad game, but you also getting up in doing this after you, ve been exercising for two hours you're not gonna, come off super smart. If somebody sticks, it might mean so you're just not going to come off like smart. You might not come off where you're like super reflective about the game. Is it just happened? I'm a hedge!
it's like think about it. I went to the locker Marcos. Talk to us. I took a shower. I put my clothes on announced speaking to you yet Post game interviews are weird thing: is there there's sort unnecessary for people, write the story but yeah, let's get to drive the whole business Now, if you ever done the math, how much do you run in a game? Have you ever figured that out years of its track everybody now. So I guards run more than big man. I've, think I errors like one point, eight to maybe too one miles a game, that's just like non walking movement. Ok, but is it a fast run? Now I mean yeah, so basketballs all like Sprint stops Brent shovel Start backpedal run it's not a lotta just jogging, unless somebody just Gordon were jogging back on often it's a lotta like quick, burst and then like sort of continual movement arise which may
like, as basketball players, you say like there's no way to replicate basketball shape because just such a dynamic where there have been a job and, in the end, the baseball body yeah you, and yet, if can't be that different ever body without its great it's crazy, because it's all yours planting and stopping in turning and pushing off and then also you're pushing on people so like. If you go to do, really. I don't know how you would initially made up an obstacle course, where your mimicking playing Basque by you wouldn't be able to in the basketball shape. You know what I mean yeah. This is very unique sport that way right now, I'm going to catch Monica up to speed. Really he plays for years in high school. For his father is the coach his brothers there for two years through the usual yeah. They win the state championship all four years for time. State change, unless it is their record over those four years is a hundred and sixty
six losses, although as for years, are a hundred and six games to six losses. How do is so was a black as a Finn arm in his brother convinces him to go to Oklahoma, which was at that time pretty unconventional right for what a stand out. High school player you you could have gone to bigger schools right using the most against tonight that time most of the top players in the class would go to like the dukes in the Kansas and that you know those and did you and your butt way together Oklahoma two years and we both got drafted a senior. It forgets. Ok, so I don't know much about your brother. You guys play the same position, My like my sophomore year, I stay two years in college. You I was the sinner and he was a power forward in the NBA. I was a power forwards, so he sort of went for me and power forward to the small Ford when he got skinny Now we never we we could play together. I have to Samuel better than you, and you are young you out that he was the person. I was constantly chasing the added you so
relate to Jordan when he was talking about playing his older brother, and I just wanting the dad to see that he beat them. Oh yeah, I looked up to him. You know still to this day when my best friends in like very close, but we will just go head to head. We fight everyday because of sports you know is never justified. It was always because of he beat me in something I just had new and if I was there an exact moment where you're like, oh, my god, I'm better think. I got a certain point. We stopped like fighting, but we would always play one on one. And I remember like he says the same thing is sort of happened when he left for college and I was still there so like the reason we won four state championships, my first two years, he was the best player in the state and he has dominated so I got to short as a freshman and sophomore just kind of like a ride on his coattails and then, when he left, I guess When I came into my own as a player, there was a time, albeit one or one, but I don't know if you like, particularly like credits it beginning bazaars variables but yeah
I like there's a moment where, like you know that you can be in fifty one ones, if it's different than fight, you know what I mean you might catch somebody one day a moment round like oh yeah, I got it once have that I got on like them. Never losing that confidence. You know, or you just made the best player you ve ever played again: probably in your mind, like also your basketball hero, that's tangible state that you can touch It means that wasn't around NBA guys. I went around a lot. A college guys like that was like the guy was chasing always yeah. Now that you have done all the things where does winning those high school championships rank on your pride scale
wide scale. I mean it is it's up there because, like even though its high school and we were in a small class, it's like we did the absolute best that we were supposed to do so we did it in it and I also took high school basketball. We all did took it so seriously from a time my dad got to this goal. To start coaching, he won feisty championships fair because he won his first year there, and then there is a year. They din and my brother got there and then that was it. Can you say, really quick? I can imagine that bond between you guys to be a father to all winter stay championship together to know your boys. Do I mean my god? He must have been exploding with pride. Yet actually just saw there's like a load. Sorted documentary thing in summary, sent me a good clip. That's
forgotten about neighbors, like somebody interviewing my mom and my dad and my brothers senior year State Championship game was so special and re watching it. It really took me back to like this place, because it was the last time that we asked us three were on a team together on the court together so special for us in my mom, my mom realized- and I did my dad did too. I don't know that my brother and I really appreciate it in the moment as we do now, but my mom hearing my mom talk about it. You know just like it. One of them is going to college and one of them is going to be still be here, but it's like the last time and then luckily we got to play again together in college, which was my brother and I are on their butt. again, the other and now is the even more special ok now in a race. Monica gonna get me so you understand an amazing highschool bathwater. Then it goes in place in college. You place two years in college and in those two years is sophomore year you get through
double doubles. Only one shy of David Robinson's record, which is insane so double doubles when you get double digit either. scoring rebounding, assess right means, he's doing everything. Ok, so you're, just one shy of David Robinson sophomore year. You also got five hundred or rebounds, which is just like one shy of Larry Birds, record and nineteen. Seventy eight year just rushed in college, and then you become a first round pick for the clippers in two thousand nine inheres apart. I have great confusion over. I want you to help me understand that so you get drafted the no say right: you have absolutely no sandwich city or going to use, praying you're not going somewhere. You don't want to live. How did they negotiate your contract because you don't have the leverage of taking other offers? How do you get market value given
You had no choice and where you're going so in the NBA, every first round pick one through thirtieth slotted, so it's already figured out for you show me. The first page of the first round makes this amount of money and he's guaranteed two years team option three and four, so your car Tractors restructured for you, ok, ok, great damning, so I know no agent makes money off of a first round pigs, deal because negotiate a negotiating fingers is just it is what it is. Ok saying around here or you can negotiate, you can get more here, you're there and will never exceed what those precept ones are. Probably in the second round now now and the Anna ok now did you watch the ESPN? Thirty four thirty broke, yes
Ok, so for the people who didn't watch it, they point out that in general, the general arc for a human being in the work force is the older they get in the more experience they have managing money, the more money they get may pick out. Most people in their forties between forty and fifty they ve had all this experience. Managing money and its purpose time to get it now is completely flipped and sports, where you had the least amount of experience, Mangi money, and then you get enormous amount. What is that experience like? I can't imagine at twenty one years old, guinea millions of dollars. What was the experience like? So crash into as nine all these hall in Antwerp Walker, who was one of the guys them the documentary broke, was sort of featured about because he made so much money in literally lost at all the afternoon I was getting draft a year ago. This thing called Rookie Transition programme, everybody that goddamn it goes to this programme and they sort of get you a three two and a half day crash course of like everything,
you need to know some of its just like you now have any sense at all. It is very obvious stuff, but the financial portion was very, very interesting to me and it was very eye opening because it scared the shit out of me- and I always heard these stories. So when I got drafted, I got an apartment. I got a car deal The other big thing I did was pay off my parents mortgage now you meet someone out now other than that. I didn't really spend very much money at all and then sort of as you you know, get another contract and another contract that you know. Readjust yeah, you readjusting, but I also like had great financial managers and my mom
he or she did all our taxes. Everything from my family. We also had because they were teachers in their income, was so poor. We had a second family trophy company that we ran out of our or wards company on the back of our house, and so she would do financials for that. Well, so she had a good understanding of how near budgeting and all that stuff, and also when we were kids. My mom made us budget like we had to put a certain amount of set aside for like savings, we had put a certain amount. You know fur stuff. We wanted to do So I sort of had an understanding that my mom also my poor financial managers, had to have a weekly call with my mom for like the first two years in my career, maybe even longer than that. I finally was I, I got to leave early, but I'm very fortunate and lucky that I had you know my parents to like lean on. It was just sort of an an easy transition for me, but you know it is it's not quite the same for everybody?
yeah in them is something you watch these documentaries as I do. I remember watching the one. Maybe the bad boys are sought Minna and I'm looking at Isaiah Thomas who in Detroit was an absolute gaudy, is a God in the NBA and it started. This year. They want a first championship. He was on a million dollar your contract, which was outrageous then, and I wanted this documentary in two thousand nineteen Goin, while a million dollars thirty years ago, is now a lot like. Whatever number you think is huge. Today you gotta lotta life to live. It's a young man, sport, its rife with complexity, yeah, now that I think the number that always gonna shouts people, like the average NBA careers like three and a half years right, people think it's longer because you're just hearing about the guys who are really good and have been in illegal on time, but you're not hearing about the guys who come in and play one year in and year out of a few years now, three years in their out. So that also just like scare me too, because it's like
you just never know. What's going to happen, you know any guy. I've been fortunate to play um eleven years now and you know it and that's obviously beats the odds right and I still want to go more, but as a young player, the hunger and like sort of the being terrified of like the horror stories was just always in my mind. So I just never crazy, now, ok, so again catch Monica, so he gets drafted Amber water, slow! No, you don't know the history of it. You understand. What's our money, kindly check back in certain Blake goes to the clippers first round
when granting game fractures is Portela and he doesn't play for the full first series in the NBA boy thought heartbroken: does it rattle your confidence of like does when you're that age, you feel completely invulnerable to injury? Was it like? None of this is in part of my hair, her divide that someone who would be out for a year for with an injury lose two reasons. One, like you said you fill your unstoppable injuries, don't even crusher mine, but also I Just got to my dream. Since I was a kid, it just happened and I'm like wow like this is cool. I'm still terrified that I'm not going to make it home like working really hard and not really take it for granted. I'm like this is the beginning to our last preseason game. Like you said, got hurt and then I found out why I was going to be able to play. I thought I was going to be able to like let it heal on its own two and a half months later it doesn't have to,
I miss my whole year and around that time, there's a guy named Gregg OWN, who was a really good player for Ohio State contracted number one, the Portland same me injury done plays rookie year. Another knee injury, MRS Alot, more games the injury knee injuries out. Italy number la same is maintained and so now I'm starting to hear, like. Oh, I is another this guy and then on top of that, the clippers, like I mentioned they were deemed, is like a cursed franchise for a long time. Right before I got drafted bills, He has been rather wrote this along article about how I should demand that they not draft me because I'm gonna go there and I'm gonna end up like all their other number. One picks just turned up. You not have great careers, and so I had like all that, on top of my dream, getting taken away on top of being her, which is mentally and physically it a tough thing, so it was like a year full of like self doubt
and like just wondering but also scared me, and is it like working as hard as I possibly could, and I got some great advice that, like I still stick with today and his cheesy as it sounds like in every bad situation, I have to try to find those mining. For me that was working hours. I could getting back in shape and then so going to every game and watching in studying and seeing you know how this league operates in a definite gave me your upper hand now going into my second first season. Yes, so in red throw spect, ok, so than Monica. Let me wake up my time here area. He then employees the next year and he gets rookie year the year he gets nominating the all start team, which is very rare for a rookie year score a tremendous amount of points you know aegis. You cry, What then becomes your rookie year? So, are you at a vantage point where you can look back and go a while that year, problem
they made me somethin, durable or unit was a test. You pay, it could have taken you out like this. So much mental fucking quagmire there that you could have succumb to you could have lost all your confidence. Do you think it steel jaw? your resolve, yeah. I think I learned a lot of lessons for sure. I don't know that I miss so we thought about it as like. I could on the other way. I just took those lessons. I moved on looking back now or maybe at the end of the end of my career, I'll, be thankful for that time because it really gave me. You know my first true test. I guess when I first got to the but like in the moment when I'm sternly finally play my rookie year, I'm almost as kind find
you know what I mean: I'm not really like looking at it from like a lesbian perspective, even though I did treat it like that, as I was trying to come back from it once I started playing that first year, I always just say like there was a game that happened. We're like, after that, my life just never went back to that was like. I just took off, and it's just been like that ride. Since, in others, ups and downs. But it has been arrived yet and I also I've had tons of humbly moments over life and work, and you know now from this vantage point: weirdly grateful for all them, because again you could like you're, and I saw you wouldn't into if you go to college and the next thing. Next thing next thing next thing, and then you can almost wake up after all, over to evaluate a, but I do think that one, your paws, maybe it's the time to like think maybe more clearly and what player you want to be when you finally do come back and maybe in a height and gratitude that you wouldn't have had if it just everything, worked out perfectly
just kind of hard to know now. I can appreciate that much more, but in the time I don't they are really sat back and appreciated because it's like now, I've seen guys who have gotten hurt their first year, not played in the sort of their projection, didn't meet. Their produce yes, I see that now and I realize you know what could have been definitely now appreciative and am grateful for those lessons. I learn in an hour so to having that you're my sophomore year of college and then getting number one in my own little world like ours, like I was like doing it at that point I was the best. I could possibly do in my mind so I got had people who around me not like super close by around me and my got hurt. Those people went away
lesson to learn early yeah next year and I started playing. I remembered all those people who were like with me texted me call me and then they went away and invest our point again. Other back. That's again, that's it life lessons does that they would never stop without that year and you Worley, wouldn't have may be found out. Underbrush migration is a bit broader because you would just sing like you done everything right in your sword about the pinnacle. What is it like? Managing and The EU goes like everyone is indeed and ba there. You goes and must be enormous there, the best of anyone they ve ever come across, and then they all put together and then there's a ranking with them. Then I just feel like that must be a nightmare ego wise and if the way together it is that's a good question does look. If you ask a coach like I don't know seventy percent of coaching in the is managing egos any you its people talk about all the time
in the NBA is, like you said you, the best player as a kid. Your best player in high school you're, probably the best player in college, and then you know you come to the NBA with a pecking order in and the players that stick around for a long time. They realize, if they're, not one of those like top thirty guys. Then you got to find your role and you have to star in your role. You just have to like throw yourself into that and realize the importance of that. That's, not so cool about route,
story isn't like. I had no idea until I want said that that guy with scorn twenty six points a game in college, I never seen him be offensive and I'm like how cool he figured his thing. I hear he's the perfect example: he's is championships and he so famous because he just was himself, and he just accepted that and unfortunately, I've seen a lot of kids come in guys come in, who are very, very talented, and they just can't grasped that idea of not being the man. I know that's a hard thing to do, but the guys who were smart figure it out and they say: ok I'll, do this, as I iron actor saying like if you notice, there's three people playing the trumpet you better play the clarinet cuz you're not going to play the trumpet with those three people and stand out. So what are you going to play and then you know, what's really sad is like
people around those people sometimes do them into service, because everybody circle around them thinks there the best to yeah yeah, just that player and also a lot of times everybody around those people are depending on them to be. A good player in to make money and in an unfair way their putting all this pressure on them to like men. Are you gonna score by Uk Square better than him land? You can do this better than my coach is growing, he's not playing enough and that people constantly just constantly tear you down, I'm so lucky that had like my brother, my dad, who were das by players in coaches on my mom, just not built that way in a people that around me aren't like that. But there are so many guys that do and is not their fault, but like that's part of the downfall
That's why having that group of people around you so so important will your job. You are probably around more rags to riches stories than any place on the planet under present and it's gotta be the most unique dynamic I would even faster needed by it. like. You know, lower still allows in a lot of circumstances to like very quickly. I kids are signing at eighteen nineteen years old, Ketch assigning signing twenty million dollar. Like you know, that's, what's that famous percentage of people in the lottery to go broke, oh yeah, or who are these? People commit suicide of water as all misleading as it's dangerous get net dream you ve thought of forever, as it doesn't come with the matching happiness when you look in the mirror right that day yet are, and that another way right and even then the guiding the fact that you'd nineteen twenty years old on top of those snake.
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got married in the early 80s in Oklahoma, which is not the most tolerant place bunch of great people there, but, like you know, they've had their fair share of of nasty, looks of of comments and remarks. It's still happening today, so you can imagine what it was like. thirty years ago now, so my parents did a really really really good job of just rising above it and so their situations that my rhone I looked back now and were like oh wow, that was like that was racist. You know what I mean like where, because my parents didn't give it the power it didn't affect us either, which I didn't realize what's happening at the time. But when were girls in like Highschool saying go, I like you, I like your thing and they're like I like you too, but like I can't. I can never date you and why you like why I, like my dad, won't let me Super fucked up by the time was like you know, remain, which is crazy to me. What did you say
and if I, with Rodman this, I thought the sad as part of the last answers with Rodman or make in the Rodman document, which is also phenomenon, but it was talking about go into that small town, These I give people a common one. Oh my god, oh yeah people call play the n word he's liking of a black people. Call me the n word in the white people calling- and I was like I mean he doesn't even see how fucking different it how damaging it. It is it's it's so telling of how fuckin oppressed you'd be not really even be aware of it yeah I great friends grown up and I went to a great school but like their deadly, where situations and in so also weird for me too, because it because when my dad got that job in a private christian school, there was another family who is mixed in. There is like one other black kid at the school who at once, one of my best friends and it was like
We playing basketball on the weekend with my travel team, and I would be with all like my black friends and then I would go back to school and I'll be with my white friends, and it was two completely different worlds. So I always like felt really weird about not that I was like trying to act like one way or the other is just like who Puya around is like sort of who you are at a certain point. Remember I felt like I had to pick like aside yeah now I just this. who I am and if you're, on this side of the side cool. But this is who I am and like I wish. I were. I had that ability when I was six fifteen sixteen seventeen years old, but I didn't an older. I got the easier it got but likes it was harder than I thought, especially when I look back on it and like the more like structures. You know you go through stuff is as a kid and you don't think about like. Oh I'm reacting this way. Because of that not- cuz this in and now I realize all those things while then there would be layers for me that would piss me off
One would be I gotta imagine if I was black or mixed I'd, almost beef, more comfortable you're, just a racist, great. You hate black people, but the phone and cheer for me in a game and then treat me like shit in public that layer of hypocrisy hiding, Andy hate, you feel like I'm a hero here and then I'm a piece of shit here. That would be the thing. I think that would most irritate me. Yeah is interesting because, when I was growing up, my neighborhood was just lower middle class, maybe and like my neighbors on the right wear black when they was on the left or white, and it was kind of like neither racist, you know but like in, like the way that you just separate the two. You know- and I just always remember thing like one was: I want my best friends, the neighbourhood and one a girl there was like you know she went to same schools instead for, like didn't, really makes you know what I mean because there's hatred again, but just because, like you, didn't really makes- and it was all, kind of weird, because you know it was
who's in the day where you go, ring the doorbell and say it's so until home and he's not home I'd go to the other house. I would always go to my my boys house first and I always felt like I was just constantly choosing constantly like picking up mixing the two and I wish I had done a better job of that, and I wish I'd known. You know what I know now or be little bit more secure about it, but that's just kind of how it was like an Oklahoma. You know what the time very nice symmetry, though that it went white, family, mixed family, black leather line. Doubling those isn't, may steady progress in Mediterranean. We don't have to pass over one house you get to pick and how old are you thirty one the heartbreaking yeah, but like other women and I thought I was gonna ask because I had. I have an idea
the whole story of a person who is like a like you, but I can't go out with you, because your parents play work. A dairy queen and now the stereotype in Georgia was that Indians rendered quainter I'll get. It gets you up on her your way. Why millions in Georgia, Oklahoma City, yeah exactly and so that one event has derail in my opinion of myself, my relationships, everything like from them and then until like a month ago, essentially When I like really started doing work on it, do you think those experiences have affected relationships? God, au revoir, pretty quickly around fringy? Look over the turned me from what who, owing to hang out with her
pursuing, and I want to pursue. I think I think, there's still a little there to them in a beauty of being in LOS Angeles, there's so many cultures, and it's such a diverse city that, like moving here, nineteen was like a brilliant breath of fresh air, because I wasn't that different. So I think I sort of like quickly got over them. also, you had this great asset that you were thriving in such a profound way and one level and is supposed to be very like you know, group went to college there and just stay there without basketball, as well as taking me places that I never dreamed of being in. So I'm fortunate that way that it's sort of brought me up out of that if it opened up so many opportunities for me that helps me cum about of that situation
and then my last question is so Donald Sterling there's a new documentary coming out right, I'm very excited to see it. Did you participate in that actually did they did a thirty four thirty on this whole thing, and then right after that, they were doing this most slayer. again, this will be another trigger of mine. If I were black or mix, which is ok so there's this raises asshole and now I got a fucking answer all these questions, because this get like this. This is my responsibility to constantly be available, and I'm doing it to you right now, but the I don't eat I dont need that, like I didn't sign up to have to now talk about this guy being announced I got a fucking answer all these questions, because this get like this. This is my responsibility to constantly be available, and I'm doing it to you right now, but the idle
I don't need that, like I didn't sign up to have to now talk about this guy bean and ass all the time. It's really interesting because there's a draft lottery that happens were they find out who's picking words. Clippers punishment, get the first pig an annual a month later, the actual draft so doing time they announced that they were going to take me with the first pic. I remember my mom called me one day and she was like an psych honey. I just was reading about the guy who owns the clippers at the time. I didn't know much about it because, like the were never on tv now ever be early and allay where they even anti from the hammer they re run PBS? Hence I'm from August, like you heard about the Lakers, no Celtics in the big teams, so I sort of looked into a man like there's a lot of stuff like no one really seems to likes eating,
equate to bring Monica two speed. You know those now I dont get honour the clippers. He made a bunch of racist comments. Any also bring is like his mistress in the locker room and stuff. Did you do with weird shit like that? My thinking the same thing we quickly he made of all his money and real estate. He had so many different law suits surrounding racial discrimination, literally recorded saying this or that about different minority groups. Also, having a prices to be kick them out, treated unfairly like all these different things right, so who had it when I first got drafted, I do I had to go to his. house allow Malibu for a White Party with everyone that's why I'm on my so yet there is wearing all black at his own white body, whose wearing alike and hear my group seeds who parade me around the party, you hold my hand and bring me around two other people in my introduce me like this is our number one pig in all the land and look how strong?
you feel his arms, and I am I don't like that, So then you were planned, form you'd, always do you things you'd bring young people in the locker room acumen. Yes, she predicated on there's a girl. She was. She was always with. It was just known as his mistress him in his wife, what our own or whatever that when he was taken you around the party and feel it muscles and all that in that moment, were you feeling I'm gonna Jerry. it's very plantation honorary look! This thing I own a feel strong is like with was that, on your mind, walls happening. I just feel, like other guys, gonna we're doin, I am pretty rips gladden feel a little bit about because I m I'm just getting the league and like he's the owner of this, I dont know how. Obviously I know this is not normal, but like oh, no, I'm supposed to do with how much power do I haven't this situation, yeah would like I would like not hold his hand as much Possibly good wages
you know where we stand and now included in morals. I got here, but I will go the way of Life yeah, I don't know. Obviously it felt weird, but I also was just like get me out of here so fast forward. He gets caught on tape saying to his mistress. She secretly recorded. I mean he was saying bunch of racist stuff. So then this is happening right before the playoffs. So then these tapes come out and we're about to play game three of the first round. Big series in this all comes out and we're like now. What do we do because, like people knew, we was racist before this? It just brought it to light again like he had multiple.
Cheats for racial discrimination. So now people are looking at us like. What are you guys going to do? Another thing I liked about a lot in Monaca disagrees with me and I think I'm wrong about it, but I will say I am very sympathetic to like a black actor who just wants to be a comedian and then the second they're famous, because they're black they us to also have to be a social activist. It just not a responsibility that a white guy has to deal with, and I think that's a little fair so similar to the Olympics right when they wanted the black athletes and not go the Olympics. Unlike I mean They already had the shootings, fucking life, and now you have to tell him not to go to reach the pinnacle of their dream on top of their. I just add some part of that feels and then you're. You work your ass off. We gotta play off, and now you have to arrest you now you go have a moment wash the document If this is gonna, go against what Ebay says but like in my mind, I know and most about like we weren't gonna boycott the games, because we never played for him right tags. We
paid us. I wasn't like dogs, my own remains guy, that's great! You know like fuck, this guy he's paying, as he owns the team sure, but one like this isn't here like. Actually owning us were playing. while we're doing what we want to do and were good at it and were in this situation means we. Sighted. To do a thing were returned, are warm up inside out we had to wear these jackets out till we came out to have Corver warm ups. We took our jackets off to him on the ground and we are all just in basically blinked teachers there inside out so gangster, that's that's an ad in the commercial for that doc gangster. I love em again at the time I'm just a horrible judge of like how big moment I at the time that you just kind of like we had to play this game is like the whole box thing. We're like this is not in our box. We ve worked whole season to get to this point, and now we're gonna. Let this asshole like ruin it and like you'll, take the focus away from what we really here for when we were never plain from the first place, and so think we navigated pretty well
our strategy is given how fast this came out on a Friday night. Our next game was Saturday souls Friday, night or maybe came on Saturday morning we had a t meeting Friday night and our culture this is going to come out just so you guys know what I'm pretty sure Saturday morning at all blew up on TMZ whatever, so we quickly sort of had to decide like what we were going to do. Cuz everybody was sort of looking to see like people thought we were going to boycott. I remember getting like texts from people like you guys should boycott, like you, guys, shouldn't play and all the stuff- and I think our coach at the time was like turn your phone off because he didn't want us to deal with it. He did want us to deal with it as a team, but he just didn't want p. we are trying to get in our ear who didn't work. This whole season, who didn't put blood, sweat and literal tears into the season to be a disposition to say, like oh yeah action plan, has been were doing ourselves a disservice as well the hour. So it was crazy situation
but you are fascinating yeah. First, I was I we ve been ran in Athens on really and I was like other them coach Carol, but he has this such a cool philosophy. We're transcend that and it did, and I think you so transcend the sport, the evil of your life and played the game and all that I'm thrilled in Detroit, my hometown. I hope you need a lot of coal, dogs way there. On your cheat day, that. I admire you a great deal and I think you should be proud of the wave handled yourself. As I am sure you are an thanks for having me on your podcast cast us thinks you haven't. We appreciate the kind words likewise big fan, Monica New Fan, if you if you're caught up here and there a legendary right. You know, but my introduction to you is: I saw you do it, you see Bishop. Besides no really show with Ben Mall. You yeah, and you did great. Thank you. That's great
I hope that I can hang out with you in real life when all this is over the great meaning you listless makes a fella to tourism pony dogs are Well, your time these girls, my favorite part of the show the black jack with my soul maiden Monica bad men, see how Julius it's got a good cheer microwave in here doing so yeah. Ok, for reasons such as that I gotta say, though, in two and a half years of mean in this attic, that's the first time I warned the microwave Bobby. You wanted one other than the now, but that's weird. That's like the first thing most office places what are they call yet? We moravian winner acres, anything about reawake Eyes, Stuart wandered. You know, Chat office followed.
X. I worked at my ants law office. Was it like a proper go their industrial complex, many floors, huge building elevators? Now she had her own practice, so she had watched as she has her our practice, and so she has an office space, but it there's other offices there too, for other people doing other things, sure there's conference, room, yeah, annually shrank rooms, and you have microwaves and ensure due to make your lunch, it observed second most valuable to the fridge. We don't have a fridge got nothin microwave. Well, that's right! That's right! Other than win film productions, rent office space for peace, production. Aha, I think that's my only experience in an office like going to a large office building parking, a parking garage taken, an elevator up scene People like own were that person what floor. They work on
yes aim people, but never saying hi LA about many diverse many actors ever like in turn. So it is a specific feeling for me. It's a very specific reasons: adult like no one's here, but adults and also a penitentiary we're gonna, inviting when you roll up in front of a young age office, building yeah you're, not like oh I'm home. Now only those monolith, I've gotta, navigate my way. This tiny office, it's one of a thousand in this building yeah, but I guess part of it is its good that it doesn't feel like home short letter. You may productive yeah when you leave and then you go home it feels like a separate place where our jobs don't really feel like a separate play, none of this specific women even acting it's like you, do you go there within you, come home and
It's a party you like more generally eyeball to work and there's a trailer small animals like a home. I for one am excited they get into my little mouse yeah by just remember, NATO's can t so we know somebody who just got in trouble. What trouble twitter trouble Outs party to t t is neither Jim TV for some tweet. She row a long time in love him. Oh no, nine years ago, two dozen eleven two thousand and nine years ago, the tweet is its.
save to disable folks. But what's interesting is it's a joke on the stereotype of asian as whereas Asians, as are the stereotypes? Agents are super smart? Yes, so the tweet was. We should use the word retarded any more. We should refer to them as Asian Americans now joke as its against what the stereotype evasions as yes, look I'll. So dull ink doesn't that tweets. I dont think she should have treated them, but I also we know her yap and hasn't written anything like that in my eight nine years, and so for me, when I see them, unlike that is how you measure change, how someone has evolved and changed and unless it's it's also a kind of a cause. She's, not a provocative twitter shields laws She was why she's she has changed a lot. As you say, it's also comment on what the cultural sensitivity was. Ninety
years ago, it's hard to remember exactly what the temperature was fresh. I know I said it in two thousand and twelve in hit and run and some people were upset, but not a lot of people now as do doesn't well. Yes, people are starting to say, let's stop saying that word a movie, Yours is Turkey's position when you're writing a movie, which is, are you paying an accurate picture of what people are like idea of care, it in your movie that are realistic and of the town, they would be in and is it accurate or not like people? You know a good chunk of the country saying that word way and so have you ever doktor, that's kind of backwards and arouse it's gonna, untrue to pretend they rule would say the other version of it totally so you're in this quagmire between AM, I did my realistic, or do I pretend people don't say that
for the movement decisions in the inward, but clearly when we do movies specially their historic all in there about racist people feels fraudulent or dishonest and not have them say the hour. But I think that's a little different right because year you're not saying it's ok you're saying this is what it looks like when someone says that Vienna and it's like is that character or you are celebrating murmur incorrect right dear. I think that's the big, that's the big definition, but anyway, so those treats. I came to surface yesterday and she posted like a really big long apology message and I was looking at all the comments and a chest was like half this comment. Oh, what was the pervasive well theme of the commons was their concerns. Will now
So there were so many people, real mad, really really mad matter between at the tormented. Her apologies will. It was tricky cause. The first response was because the verified ones go to the top. I think that's why it's like looks first, so this person is someone verified and he's white and Hugh. He says it's not my apology to accept, but while wobble bubbled up a bunch people jump on madness, I gather not as higher priority to accept and even though he acknowledged that were so, it was tricky cause. It's like a lot of people who are affected by the tweet who are upset, and then there were a handful of like
people who are defending, and so then that became like we are. Why people you just don't get it so then it's as whole thing. So I was leg. I think I have two comments, because I am the only person who is technically affected by the tweet and knows her men knows she's a good person, kimonos, really quick, technically how you are affected because we re Asian american- and I did look- I'm still hung up on the hour- were right, so also it's weird like theirs. few people who are like. Actually it should be more on this, but no everyone's upset about asian american power. A while her aside, yeah that the validity of that, whatever that, aside inviting judgment in two thousand twenty four things into the thousand and is a bad idea, because again
do lose sight of how different things like I was a part of storylines in two thousand and four five and six had just you. Would it be in those storylines now I one hundred per cent agree. Did it make you think, as I get so funny, because I know her yeah and I know that unequivocal she's on the side of good. He ever more, because I know that then I read her sweet with the most good faith. I possibly can bananas. I can you imagine if we applied that same good faith to all the tweets we re, but that's why cause I've That too, is like, while I am obviously giving her the benefit of the doubt, because I know our- and I am I know- what's true about her and ok. So these are people who tweet crazy things. They probably a people who defend them for the same reason, but here's the difference if Megan, if she tweet it s a month ago. I would be like the hey. You can
you can, and this is why, but because it was so long go in, there has been a clear change and you can see someone's evolution is like that's really all you can ask, but like with the other people like people telling trumps racist and they can point to a hundred times over the course of time leading up to now where that is proven to be true not like in nineteen eighty eight, he said one thing right: it's a patter chapters like followed, the pattern. The drinking thing for me, and I guess, look, I'm a dinosaur. I'm getting old world makes sense to me. I'm wrong, I'm just wrong more often I'm right, I will say all these words. What's really funny is what we have a problem with is how how people nervously in a restaurant at a family he's got a mentally challenge. Kidnap mats obvious. What what is painful is deaf people stare at you like your and other. We,
really on about what word were referring to, that on were placing of our discomfort with how people are treated under the word and my hunch, every time. We pick a new word and we're cool with it. Inevitably that word, then, will become its land mine, because I wrote big thing in in a script, I wrote once about term may like no one uses the term made any more in LOS Angeles, he'd, say your housekeeper ever then some people say my house, man whatever gets elevated and at some point you go, what's the meaning. and the name what's demeaning is at one humans cleaning up another human shit. Now we keep getting hung up on the name, but that's not really worth studying that they're not getting paid. Its is like a smokescreen even look at it with the evolution of like calling black flow. Negroes then colored that was an improvement from negro and then
colored was bad and then African American and then blackens like we keep engine, this name forever. What the issue is, how we are treating the people, may name becomes really symbolic of the mistreatment, and I just think it's not upstream and like the last stop is what what you're actually referring to this injustice as yeah. I agree. The name is just indicative of the behaviour by if the name triggers the feeling of being demeaned yeah, then we should say at
now and leave it up to the marginalized groups to decide whether they want only called. I think that's fine, but so I wrote as of today, we are no longer now I did not. I wrote all you can ask of a person is to acknowledge, learn and grow from mistakes, and then I said, you're a good person meg in a someone, who's asian American and knows you personally, I feel qualified to say that and of course people are not my ass. You, after which I know what happened, but I didn't care. is its true, and what I also know is true is none of her friends can comment there not allow as local council had there not allowed, and so I was, I am a member. You did that I have to anyone
so that that something happening on the internet right now, yeah yeah, that's our on five minutes on the internet. What's what's new in the internet, I guess you're judged by your reaction to it is what Hudson said does couple different people have said: Look everyone can fuck up the early. The only thing is like how do you react to sound like she reacted as yeah bashing, taking as much responsibility, I'd be tempted to defend, explained the jokes amount we like? I don't think we were getting the joke by doesn't matter that it doesn't matter because its oh privilege to say my wanting to make a good joke is more important than me your feet, laying sinner in a whirl, yeah yeah. So yeah but I guess like when you're, in a fight to with your wife for your partner, your loved one in your like yes, you're, right, you're, right you're, I just I just gotta, because I didn't get home at nine. I gotta go home at seven. I know that's not the point, but if you feel so
like in this litany of things. I did ride the few things I did right. I want recognition dry. I I I just wonder what you know. We all recognise that most things in society here pendulums right, they're gonna like fairly of intensity than they were. They ebon they flow, and I guess I'm a little concerned what the the ebb and flow of this will be cause you get so fatigued. We all have like a finite appetite for all this. As is human, see you dislike, I'm overwhelmed and I'm unplugging or on retraining, or I don't want to know anymore. I can't take on any more I just wonder what that critical mass is and then how much stuff will get missed, because I guess I get all of that. I feel it and then I every time I do. I think that is literally the bark folks. if your diary of this
someone just made it all fuck. It was the John Stewart Interview sent me by the way. What's that, title I implore everywhere you die near the New York Times. Johnstone interview from the last We promoting those now really Johns. Here we want you and so that all that Egypt has it most phenomenal way of making points. He said you know, after six weeks of people white people being corn tab. I they were like no fuck it. I don't care if I get this disease like imagine four hundred years of that, that's really what it is by now. There's there has been some great means We of really gotten right also just saying that, like putting it in perspective that oh yeah, they ve done these. I'm side by side protest signs right where one woman's like I need a fuckin haircut. Neither persons like I need to breathe. Yes, either pretty staggering,
yeah, but happy birthday, everyone you, give rise, transition and deposited. Why do you think I like that word dedicating slots to the topic, and I also like that there's a day of none of it. I want to be able to give both a reprieve and dig into it yeah, but even on the days that are all about it. There's other conversations that come in and now I feel more along the lines of if we're gonna reflect what it should be. It shouldn't be this insane intensity and then nothing then an insane intensity and then nothing. It's like this is part of our lives. Com as a part of our lives. Racism? out of our lives, so oxytocin the part of our lives. So you know it's like this is all part of which we do like like on this episode with Blake. We recorded this before the proton, the protests, but we talk about race and this episode retainer his life
if an early dawn old style lean early, and we talk about him feeling like he had to choose, he added Sheila, he was gonna. Hang out, this white Frederick was going to happen this black Brendan that we all felt so separate and he had to make decisions, and I guess we ve not really had athletes on yeah I loved the I get so ex. There's like a whole world of interests. We ve never got to ask how it away. I, even though you negotiate a first round pick. Now, I'm dying to know that for twenty years I have myself I he is amazing. I really you really liked him. I didn't. I was like what enemy
in gas and so interesting and what a different world the whole thing I want to, or the athletes on. I really dug it yeah me too. I enjoyed it alive. Yeah he's a cool guy cooker younger than me. Embarrassing. Would you data yeah, yeah, definite? I wanna see you guys, together that height different. I would love to be so exciting. Fifth, like Monica open for business, I'm here, I'm waitin, ok, so he you mentioned the bill. Murray space jam gave an either only knew what he was talking about, but I I guess I for our bill Maria. in space Jane all right, yeah I hold didn't realize that mean I loved Spanish him as a young person, you wanna, comedy murder, yeah swayed another just Mammy mere words This is an old man. That's a big gap, but Bill Murray is at the altar
sports fan. Do you know that about like commentator on ESPN? He plays in every single celebrity golf tournaments like lives for golf. He loves sports, so you can that's kind of a trick way to get bill marine by. So I bet he was like hang out with, like Michael Jordan for three months. What I don't care, isolate lessening as I gotta do bad make sense. He says people forget, I got the assist on the game, winning basket it so easily forgotten. I stole the ball. I made the pass nothing! I don't even get interviewed after Denzil Boomers, oh yeah, ok, the book on the psychology. Of tennis, there's there's a book called the inner game of tennis by Timothy Galloway, that's one! They kept popping up when I typed in psychology of tat. as our sports psychology tennis. So I think that's one, although there are so many sports ecology,
so much, and I could be wrong in the history of sports psychology, but I do think it gain popularity or awareness with tennis. Specifically, I think those are the first athletes who start really using la psychology. Make sense. Could I and this is such a mental- get yours and mine form yeah. When Europe like forty fifty and then all son, your ear induce nearly have affected this now I'm gonna win too in a row and also used like collapse, mentally II. As of DM funding, I'm not good at it, but every time I play I do really enjoy it, but I'm so bad. I may never taken a lesson or anything. So I'm just gonna like runnin around on leaving, ok, bye, bye, I warrant a diet. Coke comes, or did you see my pledge to try to get? I go to sponsor me, nice? I did see. I also you posted about the ball, sat cowboy painting and anxious
Oh no! That's in my house, yeah! Well, I think people fans of the show know what is the reason I posted it was because Aaron was telling his friend about it. and then the guy got curious in there and said: do you have a picture of it? Then I found one and then I thought I should share. This is becoming a valuable piece of art, I'm nervous someone's gonna break into my House and United Europe. We ve talked often about what a guy on a first date being brought. Monica apartment would think, as she has a whole wall dedicated to pervade pitcher, to have sort of tat sort of law bench and all of the stop, this kind of up up up against a right now, but it was an accident. It was just like I'm, I'm just putting all the stuff. I can't put up on a wall yet on this bench and turns out most of its purpose.
yeah so yet the ball set cowboy or that's, hang it up. Does hanging there and then you have the poorest Walker, amazing peace are. That is really worth a hundred million now, and you have that commission so yeah and then got some really nice needlepoint from our friend Laura yes as great tat job, it's two birds, tat birds and its has created it's beautiful, it's beautiful, it's gorgeous and I have another thing to yeah Octopus made of penis the tentacles or penises. Yes, I one that had a white elephant, but if you're like new to your apartment, oh yeah, do you mind Like I don't know, I've got enough gaps for the scale she's straight up her. Well right, oh yeah, you are it. Maybe it's not false advertising
TAT morning them exactly. What's. Gonna have rights as advertised, okay, so Blake, so he said the compensation for Oklahoma Schools is really bad, for teachers might be bottom five, and then, when I looked it up the list, I saw what you think was from two thousand eighteen. I think it was second to last schoolboy. Yeah was behind Montana, and then Missouri was one above it so Montana was the worst off and then Oklahoma and the Missouri, and why I think it was. It was thirty one thousand something: that's what a teacher makes their yeah. If not, why not enough to live together and in addition, and getting paid anything they also like by their own supply, applies its that's a huge mass nor the high water mark of our country. We gonna work done. Then we have to work on this. Ok. He said he got drafted in two thousand,
when Twitter was relatively new o this circles, although it had two thousand six, is when Twitter jumped on a scene, I think adjoined really soon yeah yeah those early adopted early it after I know exactly where it was when I created my account, I was at my Father: was housing utilise Livin in Utah, we're in router Y all mean we're gonna join this thing and you start telling people what I think all the time I now hopefully will come back to haunt me years later. I remember also starting it. I was living and my parents house, because I too doesn't six, I think I'll, joint, really early. Two thousand and six was my freshman year college. I feel like it would be more resolute if I was in college because I'd be reading tweets and then seeing the people Rikers, your friends,
bye bye really just like followed celebrity. Ok, maybe you out it. I wasn't him I was buried. I don't know I was in Paris on parenthood. Yet apparently, who cares? I just met all Bobby back to him getting draft in two thousand: nine: ok, ass! It you doesn't. Six suspend twitter began okay, so this is really interesting. What's the percentage of people who, when the lottery who go broke? What is your guess said? Forty over the past couple of years, several news organisations have attributed a statistic to the national endowment for financial education, stating that seventy percent of lottery winners and that bankrupt in just a few years after receiving a large finance
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level is like mediocre, more metal. I think I might pick narrative merger about this. You can only have seen one of these two things tat either the latter, Still I am or the first seizings we gotta compare tenant an episode of Handmaids the Alaska fast answer by. I thought you were gonna a flea bag and I was like that would be really hard for me. I'm glad you thought about one zero and the guy was. I had one in the chamber like flee bag made me feel new things like last danced yeah handmaids is unbelievable. I love so much and it doesn't mean makes me think, but it doesn't give me- feel, laying necessarily that, like I got with flee bag, and I got with last stance so that's harder for me here, you're my impulse.
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the bar so insanely high that it's hard to be recognised that what a fiend you can be a phenomenon. Not me now. I guess who cares I guess that's your ego right cuz, if you're still, if you're, that good, when she is you're going to keep playing what she does and you're going to make money and do what you love to do everyday, and that's enough yeah. It's just had there not been a Larry bird that be him, you know he would have been recorded. wasn't this guy, but just two points away? Yes, crazy, so he's playing for your team, I know to turn and restart, watching basketball, again
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