Nadine Burke Harris is an American pediatrician who is the 1st and current Surgeon General of California. She is known for her work in adverse childhood experiences. Nadine visits the Armchair Expert to discuss the impact childhood trauma has on health and longevity, she talks about her own experience with childhood adversity and she gives tools to buffer those who have many ACEs. Nadine talks about the screening process she pioneered and Dax wonders if parents will ever be truthful in admitting their contribution to childhood trauma. The two talk about the study that first led to ACE research, they discuss how awareness leads to shame reduction and Monica and Dax are in awe of Nadine's uniphile status.
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Welcome. Welcome. Welcome to armchair expert experts on expert. Miss Padman here you're here I see you, I'm dyin shepherd we have made Bein Burke, Harris, Doktor, nay, being Burke Harris and she is a pediatrician and she is the first and current surgeon general of California she's, the four first never hold that title. Bad, ass, she's, a bad out here, she's, incredibly smart and she focuses allow but on the long term effects of trauma or would she calls childhood adversity? She has a new book called the deepest well healing the long term effects of childhood adversity. I think some of these statistics are going to shock people yet somehow impact for the downstream effects of childhood adversity. Yeah, its profound and you're gonna find yourself as a listener going through this list. She gives the scanner I opening
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I have gone no caffeine for like a few months. At a time, I didn't see a huge difference that I, like. I just drifted off to sleep. Now it's get the racket inside it's just it's loud and pervasive in the evening. From that, it's when I go to bed. I think this is one of the things that makes me really good doctor is that I have all these checklists and I need to make sure that I check all of them. But I keep a journal next to my bed and so one of things I do to help my sleep. I really have stuff that my mind is going on. I just write them down and then I meditate track. I do Balmy do yeah, yeah, nay, Dean, Burke Harris! You are a period. Christian. Among many things you are, you are our first and current surgeon general of California
I know that's gonna go smile on your face either said that's cool or where wrong, I'm, not twentieth. You got that right now. I am California's first surgeon, general. Isn't that's really fascinating? What what's the back story of how Governor nuisance decided, we should have a certain general for California on his first day in office. Aha, one of several executive order is that he signed was an executive order to create the role of certain general for cattle Yeah are some really interesting is the thought behind like well. We have many different municipalities and oversight bodies, state level. Why on earth do we not have our own for health? Is? It was at the premise bind So, yes, I mean we have a lot of oversight bodies for health. In California mean we have a secretary of health, inhuman services, who is a dear colleague with whom I have the opportunity to work
I think what the governor had in mind was that the role of certain general for California is really is someone who has the opportunity to work across sectors. I ain't so to work with partners across education and transportation and health and the justice system, for example, young, to be able to advance things on a public health scale and really in particular, what the governor highlighted in his executive order is that our early social determines of health are the source of some of our biggest and most expensive health challenges arriving in California, and so he really created the role to have someone to target those develop solutions.
And unemployment across all these different, exactly our hearts, and so is the simple theory that announcer provisions were the pound to cure. That'll, be so much cheaper for us to deal with this in a preventative way. The deal with a downstream and be borne emergency rooms. That kind of the fiscal model pretty much yes tat is on thirteen, I would imagine if you dont have a predecessor you kind of have to, create your own. I guess you're like a teacher at a college and they ve never taught that course you're going to create your own. It nor area are your own gender yeah? That's right, and I think that it can be daunting, but my disposition is that I can also see that as an opportunity role again. I have to opportunity to shape the role of certain general of California for the people who come after me, the eye just pretty amazing. That's a big load on your shoulders, a kind of God I gotta figure out how to do it honestly, the biggest
Us all is that there are no existing protocols, ray of setting up a budget and hiring a staff and all of that kind of stuff, because the department, the role didn't exist before yeah, but that's kind of my gig, like I've, always founded things early in my career, coming straight out of my residency training, I founded a clinic in one of San Francisco, most underserved neighborhoods awe, and then I founded, a centre to be able to address childhood adversity as a root cause of major health problem, so I feel like somehow Maybe that's a little bit in my dna, I might be a glutton for punish result in is generally a war, and I will learn about what led you even to being a pediatrician in the first place, but with the work you're doing that brought you to my attention
very tasty, so kind of wanna. I want to say right now kind of what your work is and then I want to go conical back and fear, We got there ah well. What I mentioned in my TED talk was that in a role in my clinical practice when I started this clinic in this neighborhood in San Francisco. What I quickly discovered was that there was an exposure that dramatically increased my patients risk of long term health problems and that we are talking about in very high, do says: brain we're talking about triple the risk of heart disease, triple the risk of lung cancer and a twenty year difference in life expectancy is crazy. So
but significant trade, and so if this were some packaging, chemical or some BP, exaggerated by Lee Lag, pulled off the shelves in a minute like and by the way, it's not only harmful, but something that two thirds of our population is exposed to. Two thirds of their own, whereby population is exposed to re, and so you know, if that were the case right, you would expect. Every mom in America, every advocacy group and every health group would be out their marching in the streets to like and this, but it turns out that it's not packaging chemical, its childhood adversity, which we would in general. The labour someone to say trauma. As that will that's what I'm talking about trauma right. Yes, Oh, I think a lot of us use the word trauma when we talk about it. But what is interesting is that
Part of the reason why I use the word adversity rather than trauma is because I think that for a lot of people, it so common that they almost kind of don't think about it, a trauma right right. So first, let me say that this research, the science of this, came from a huge study from the CDC rain. We trust them and yes and Keyser Permanente these, like big, well respected healthcare institutions and they did this study and seventeen and a half thousand people, and they asked them about ten categories of childhood adversity, and these include physical, emotional or sexual abuse. Physical or emotional neglect growing up in a household where parent was mentally ill substance dependent incarcerated, where there was parental separation or divorce or domestic violence girl. I got like seven of those you just click through those. I dont think blush,
now? It is why you drink so long so's readily and with ease with the without any path. Algae adds that really what's goin on here, while it so in that is referred to as ACE in my raises the adverse charm and expand aces in so obviously those there's a wide spectrum of abuse and level of trauma. We quantified I would assume, predictably, the more you have of it than the last chance. That's right. We referred to it as a cumulative adversity. Really quick and racial wasn't in there now wasn't, because this is what happened so the head researcher, who did at Keyser. He did it at Keyser, San Diego along the population, that they studied those seventeen and a half thousand people. Seventy percent caucasian seven
recent college educated, interesting and when they came up with the criteria, what this doctor doktor Vince validity, what he was seeing was that he was talking to his patience and actually he ended up creating the study by accident. What happened was he was running and obesity trolling programme. We were aware of that story. Was it topple that was telling us about this, or was it you ve all Harare, the doktor treating people were obesity and at some point he started realising that, like it, seventy or eighty percent of them had been values. That's right. So this is what happened. Normally. He asked his patients how old are you in New first became sexually active rang, but he just slipped in his words and what he said was how much did you way when you first became sexually active
and his patient responded, and I dont know if it's because it was you know related to he was doing obesity treatment or why her answer was forty pounds. Yeah yeah she was like. I was five. You all know that without my dad yeah, whether was top polar Harare But one of them was no, it was, it was Johann are hardest hit. He after tat, you ve all her our lives, and yet he was making a case that, like part of your regular restraining alright physical, your annual vesicles, like the doktor, should say like hey. By the way we had any abuse you know get. That should be like one of the main things we learn about use along with your allergies and everything else, wow, that's, that's gonna happen, and that was game caliber how urgent newborn yeah. So I can a man
didn't. Where its illustrated perfectly. In a study about obesity, I can imagine, deter Actors from this notion going: ok! Well, yes, lung disease, heart disease. These are probably how style choices and it's the bad food in the smoking. The drinking and all the things which we all would understand is being ways to cope with the trauma, but does that get Marquis? Two people go like well, it's it's not the trauma, it's the life choices resulting from the trauma yeah. So that's what people sad when this study came out. So let me just back up real quick and just say the two things that they found. One was that this was incredibly common, two thirds of folks
at least one of these adverse childhood experiences. One one slash, eight folks have four or more. The second thing that they found was like the more you have, the greater health risk, including increase risk for our you know: heart disease and stroke and cancer, and all these different things, and so that's what people said. People said, oh well, of course this is about health behavior. And this is why I love being a doctor and a science nerd, because it turns out that some really smart doctors decided ok. Well, let's put that to the test, and so they did what we call logistic regression. Analysis like they said: ok, we're gonna, do all this complicated statistical modelling and pull out the effects of smoking and over eating and inactivity and Harris Behaviour and drink out. You know all of that kind of stuff, all those noon, health risk and what they found
that it only accounted for about half the risk. Really, while that's incredible. Clearly, this is costing billions and billions of dollars downstream. Yes, obviously it seems that the earlier you could intervene and help little kids. The better you're outcome would be yes, ok in in. I would imagine there are certain hurdles of getting that information out of a kid like I've I've before a six year old, some imagining someone trying to gleam that from talking to them and will do so knee jerk paranoia, like all be the eighties like pedophilia, I'll get my dear and outrage. You are like they're putting words and kids miles and what now? But how would the doctors go about, assessing whether the kids,
at a young age are experiencing trauma, so I will say that when I read this research as a doctor as a pediatrician caring for kids, the first thing in my mind, was like: oh, we should figure out how to screen, and so I and my team actually created a clinical protocol for screening and it turns out you don't ask the four year old. So very little kids rain. We asked the parents Reese, you know we say hey, we ask everyone and we now know that these factors can impact a child, health and development, and so now we screen because early intervention improves outcomes so that the first thing, but for kids, who are adolescence. So thirteen and over we asked the parent, and we ask that teenager to do a self report and those are done separately. Rain.
And often times the parent report and the teenagers report are different. The rain, I would guess the and the other thing that we do, which we learned over a decade of doing this screening is that the protocol developed by me and my team before I came into this role was we actually do what's called a d identified screen. So we list the ten address childhood experiences and then we asks the parents to report not which ones their child has experience, but only how many o brien- that's great. You are you just right: ok, you're trials, zero or a five or a tan. Rhino or whatever it is, and what that does is that it gives that doctor as me,
information as they need to be able to act to say. Ok, this child is at low risk intermediate risk. High risk rain, and just as if I heard a heart murmur brain, I would for my patient to a cardiologist. I'm not gonna, get in there and fixed the heart myself right, like the back of open. You know so the whole. Hi. I refer them to a special issue that similarly based on this risk, then I can connect the family to the resources that they need to be able to support and he'll yeah the inherent potential issue of this. I would imagine, is that put the parent is heavily disincentive eyes to report stuff that ultimately would incriminate them
on some level or at least trigger their fear, that child protective services can come in so even its if its benign and not like that their molesting their kid, but that mental health issue or substance abuse for the parents to say yeah I have substance abuse or my wife has substance, abuse and yeah. We, you could say we neglected for periods while we're both doing all these just whatever the thing is. I think there would be an implicit fear on the parents part that they're gonna lose their child. So it's almost like again. This would be so controversial, be it's like you don't want to grant the parent amnesty or something so that they could just be honest, so we can get involved with the prevention and of it is there to have been in place for that. So I,
that's a big part of the reason why that we find the de identified screen to be so effective because when you're, a parent- and you read this thing- and you say ok, these things could affect my kids health right. That's why the doctors asking right, but right at this moment that I'm doing the screen like I don't have to say. Yes, my child has been sexually abused or their substance it. You know we substance, use and help right off I don't have to say that on this form, I can just say: ok, my kids illusory or re or a for whatever, and then the doktor can connect you now. I have to say that doctors are, mandated report are hereby rye, so it's not just like hey cool, it's likely literally, were managed reporters about one of the things, and this is what I feel like
I've found over a decade of screening is that parents want, what's best for their kids, offer sure right, and I think that for many parents, especially for parents whose kids have high aces mode since the time they themselves have high Asia and one of the things that we recognise is that they tend to be handed down from generation to generation and to recognise that there is an opportunity for us to break this cycle d ass right, yes and frankly, I think a lot of it comes down to relationship and trust rain. And so I am typically what I've what I found in my practice, because the one of the interesting things about this, I think doctors often get pretty nervous about it,
They're, like great, am I gonna, be calling child protective services on helping other care that I'm telling you you you're kind of invert, only creating the hierarchy by which have I see, broken femur, some bruises on the back. That's clearly child abuse and indeed a report that, but what what's ironic probably is the other forms of abuse are probably just as destructive on some level down the line right absolutely, and so this is the peace that I think is really important. I think, as I am do the screening, what we understand and what we have the opportunity to communicate with families as lesson We know that exposure to these high doses of adversity is harmful. Four kids help, and we know that when we do early identification and provide the supports right because, frankly, the supports the response is not
not that were met and the harm right like, and I will tell you, even in cases where there is frank, awful child abuse going on right where there, let's say you know me more often than not as the dad whose abusive, but you know whatever I an you know, even in those cases right. So typically you from my clinical practice. I have seen so many beautiful examples where, in doing that, screening the parent understands wholly crap. You want to know the frankly the reason that I'm beating the crap out of my kid is because I have a way overactive stress response: Ranger, because what happens when you are exposed to lots of trauma and adversity in your childhood is that you can develop
an overactive stress response and helping that parent or caregiver to actually get the two. The dream a day on yeah yeah, Tripoli get up. How does it so? So you know a lot of our approaches are so draconian here that I imagine so many people, rather gauge has been like so not open to hearing that there is a cycle of abuse or there is a cycle of trauma and knowing that probably the best course of action to break this
I got is in and again this is interesting from my mother, who is CASA, who works with kids and foster care. It's like it is waited to keep the kids with the parents who, as it should be in my opinion, because that then is another level of trauma. Tell your comparing a bunch, a terrible decisions, and I just wish we were kind of open minded for thinking enough to just going. Ok, let's just hang off the punitive nature for one second and try to interrupt this cycle, and lunch is try to work on this before we start separating people incarcerated view of all this stuff, none of its leading towards a solution, but I imagine that a very- tough theory to get the public to embrace or is it not our people cooler than I think? Are they able to go like listen protein? for one right now is getting everyone treatment. So, as I mentioned, I am an optimist and I do think that raising public awareness is one of the most import.
Things that we can do? Is you're gonna podcast her? What Britain seriously? I think that step one, because I think that the key to addressing anything on public health level, like guess what smoking causes cancer on rational and step, one is raising that awareness, because listen government doctors nobody's gonna go into every single persons house rain. But if we arm people with the knowledge to understand some of these frameworks, we can talk to our friends and allies brings, and our kids and are you know it needs, is a nephews and we can not only share that knowledge, but also share the solutions, which is the thing that I'm the super excited about. You,
because it had no point, I mean obviously smoking spent on the decline, I believe for the last thirty years or whatever, and it was not because some agency, when in the people's homes and broke up their cigarettes or ban the sale of ashtrays lighters, it was solely the educational. The public service announcements already all that is what armed people with making better decisions. I suppose the biggest thing was running. If this is what I do like, I study what worked, and I had to do it that, like the public health, think, the biggest thing was smoking was one of the biggest things that came out of the tobacco settlement was a huge initiative to prevent young people from starting smoking because guess what smoking is a really really really hard to credits. Yeah, yeah yeah, look at me! I'm stuck fifteen years later, I'm nicotine's lozenges. In my mind, the dramatic decline and the prevalence of smoking in the? U S didn't come from, like all these people quitting smoking,
Some people madman's manipulate. It was from people not starting smoking in the first place, and that was a publican occasion. Campaign yeah said is true, and that is why, when it comes to address childhood experiences and the fact that it has over your lifetime helping to raise awareness and especially of number one, the younger generation but number two parents to recognise. Like hey guys, we can actually interrupt the transmission and we can do things to not handed down to our kids. I'm a wine. A number two is that, even if our kids have been exposed, we can actually also use the science that shows that, like Nurturing relationships are healing right, like when I kids experience something stressful are scary for most of us, as parents like
one of the first things that we do. What do we do? We wrap up in our arms we give em hogs and kisses and love on, ran right, that releases oxytocin an oxytocin interrupts the biological stressors that's right and it counteracts almost all of the effects that trust has on our biology rain. It literally protects yourselves against damage because adrenaline in dumb cortisone for it is all right, they're damaging. Are they not their helpful and life? saving one, but I lost in when they are released occasional in severe circumstances, but when the release happens too frequently, yes, they are damaging. So I want to get into biology because I think it's fastenings, I do believe will also be certain people. My
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get hyper or hypo like does it fatigue in run out because it my interests, namely had a blood panel a few years ago, and the guy said to me now I took this- is a feather in my cap, but set up the sky works would like the Navy seals would cover football teams. One of these guys amigos your dream. No, Glands are like they're, not making adrenaline, because I've really only seen this in the Navy seal guys, which there just in so much shit. Eventually it gets fatigue and the kind of such working you gonna need adrenaline for your mood stabilization, so any who yeah does it? Does it get fatigued or does it become hyperactive? Let me start by explaining what the fighter flight response yeah. So all of us, the way that we are designed is that when
the experience, something scary automatic right, like imagine, you're walking in the forest, and you see a bare and what happens is that immediately the a Mig della in your brain, which is your brains, fear, centre, activates, and it send signals to your whole body and your body really The stress hormones, including, like you said, adrenaline, cortisol, bang, and these have lots of effects on your body, so the effects of adrenalin think about it. When the last time you get right, like your hearts, the pound. You fill in your muscles with oxygen. That's right! You're pupils daily, your airways, open up. You shot blood to your big muscles for run. Jumping away from that itty bitty muscle that hold your bladder closer. You
they pay your parents are right and that's awesome. If you're in a forest and you're gonna find a bear, but if you were to think about it, fight them bear wouldn't seemed like a good idea, rang out, run and so actually you're. A Mig de La Fear Centre sends projection that sends like neurons nerve cells to the part of your brain, that's responsible for executive functioning or judgment an impulse control. It's your prefrontal cortex. And it turns it way down near here, because you don't want judgment to get in the way of survival and instead what it does it turns up the part of the brain. It's called the nor address ergic nucleus of the locusts, thoroughly us, but hit me with oh yeah. I got a little out around me, one more time, the nor add your nordic nucleus- of the locusts earliest, while by
I like to call it the part of the brain responsible for no Corrado grounds, then in the brain, stress response and then thing that happens when you activate your stress response is a little bit less obvious. Is that it also activates your immune response, because if that bear gets his closet, to you. You want your immune system to be primed. To bring inflammation to stay. Lies that wouldn t even live long enough to beat that their or get away, and I am also immune thing- you just kind of map that out for me yeah, so just really quick in a very pragmatic example of what you're talking about. I read this great book on killing am in world war, one. They found many many people in the trench warfare who had been shot who never fired there.
That was so perplexing to all of these people, because they thought why one in every Germans running at you firing at you? What why won't you response be to fire back and what they later found through. All sorts of researchers that exactly what you're saying your front logos, offline, so you're not making a rat national decision with a really fun, as we had this binary grouping of flight or or fight in, in fact, most traumatic situations in the wild resolve themselves with posturing and submitting that's the bulk of how we resolve thing. So a bare growls, most people intuitively, will submit, though coward the looked down the all these things can be trained almost into run and so are these guys were watching posturing which was allowed gun firing at them and they were submitting like? I surrender, don't shoot me and they just sat therein got shot in so they had to train these people. A part of their brain would act without thinking, basically defy your no matter what yeah it's. Actually we as a short hand. I say fighter
flight, but you say fight light or free so that's the long and short of like what happens with our stress response. It's really good, not all of the auto immune part, that's really fascinating, folks with high aces are dramatically increase. For I don't mean this is worn AIDS, as you have double the rest to or more issues. You have my uncle I told you- I am seven of those that, because there was so much in full issue early on getting the sack. I'd. Evasion of the stress response also activate the inflammatory, respond- and this is the thing so this ass, a doktor right like this- is why this is such an important health issue, because when we think about childhood trauma- and we think about the effects of it and importantly when we think about how much it costs most people think about so
since use, or mental health issues or incarceration rain heart disease is another one killing the United States of America re right. You have four more aperture expanses you're at twice the risk for heart disease. We Spaniards, three trillion dollars a year in our country on health care, seventy five percent of which is for the treatment of chronic disease and what makes me really sad and Set said the doctor. When I read this information, I was like why is no one telling Hey having aces can increase your risk of these health problems, and why are we not in
Staying here in preventing the good work bending trillions of dollars and by the way I get the fiscal conservative point of view, I totally understand it, but even if you don't give a shit about anybody in all you care about is as dumping money down the toilet. That minimally should get you interested in the preventative route. Through these trillion dollar fees that were yes, because here's the thing we now know enough to do something about this, so this is something that we can prevent. This is something we can heal. This is something that we can interrupt and the amount of money we are spending on health care costs, because, having or more aces increases your risk for eight out of ten of the league
causes of death in the. U S, that's a big deal. Yeah right here tonight is again give myself as a personal example. I was on human error. I forget how much that was a month. It was thousands out. I was unsafe genes, that's thousands amongst! So just me personally, I've gobbled up tens of thousands of dollars to deal with an auto immune thing. And so that the medical science behind it in terms of your question around what happens to your stress response, so what the research shows us that it becomes over active for a lot of people and then in some cases and sometimes in the more severe cases. What you see is essentially burn out of your stress response system as you get higher and higher doses of adversity, and so
that may be what they were fighting and I was told market as the other day I dont know if I accidentally found a back door solution to all. This is proof that can make it work in the long run, but we used to think of, I remember, taken a site algae class early on and they basically said the difference between people who can watch the grass grow and risk takers. Is this embryo chemical in your brain and really creates brain activity? And so some people well lotta mayo? They could start a blade of grass watch it grow in the brain is on fire other be, will lower mayo. They gotta jump off a bridge or some, and that was the two categories. I thought about that in, but now, as I learn more about this in fatiguing, your adrenaline Athena Monica, I read a motorcycle most places around ally, which is it
can adrenaline racing experience because of your lane, splitting there's a ton of stuff- and I was saying as I like the days I drive my motorcycle to or from work I'm in such a better mood, and I'm like, I wonder if I'm just like squeezing a little bit of adrenaline out to help stabilize the mood or something so one of the things. That's really interesting, that this research is that they found that high doses of adversity. Also, affects the pleasure and reward centre of your brain rights, and this is the part of your brain, that's stimulus. It had by cocaine heroin that you ve got all the things that will have to listen,
Why should the earth is everything and what's interesting? So this is a pleasure centre of your brain and what they found as that high doses of adversity in childhood affects the structure and the function of the way that part of the brain can develop. What can happen is that activities that should be pleasurable. Actually, it's less sensitive, so you need higher dose of the. So you know I think, for someone who perhaps has zero aces. They get a little bat ride like they get a little bit of something exciting and their good right, their sneer uranium, and so this is why, for folks with formal aces right, ten times is likely to be substance. Yeah, so, okay, so that's a very interesting scientific way to think about it, but I have to share with you this kind of breakthrough out. I had to recently, and I one of the jibes with that which is just so many people who have tried cocaine that are like yeah. It was whatever
cooking was like whatever I tried. It was our and we're out what we are talking about. It was it it would ever know. Did you meet? Leave you optimistic seeming, ecstasy. I would have just said I would imagine across the board this chemical. Works on everyone's brain the same and the date. They must feel what I feel in the one. I thought we were like ambivalent about it, so confusing to me and then again that goes with alcohol, because all these them- and that's always been a little perplexing to me when I thought of the other day, was a good child, a friend of mine who had quadruple what I had I mean and in fact I think, maybe even why some of my stuff- I didn't even goes on that bad, like he is living in fucking hell. You know one bedroom, trailer, crazy, alcoholics, beating everyone, just fucking carnage, all day long every single day, and he and I both fell in love, gettin fucked up together. That was our life. When I remembered the other day was there was a period for a year? Were he hopped gas he carried it got a gas can around for a year in eighth
now I don't love you but ever haven't. Yes, gasoline gets a lean gasoline, you just you have it. I have done it and let me tell you it's the worst feeling imaginable. I it's the grossest buzz you could ever have feels terrible right, so I did it in eighth grade ninth grade and unlike this, is terrible, and I never could make peace with why he enjoyed that and when I thought of just a few weeks ago. I was like man all that tells you is what his standard fan on his chest and feeling emotional feeling was so fucking shitty that that terrible high of huffing gas, better than I almost started crying for him and I almost Eric. I am for me because I was like yeah for a lot of us. When we took at first drink, we were like, oh my god, relief. This feel so much better in to the point of having gluing gas and other shit that feels terrible said. This is something that I talked about with researcher at Stanford. Who has done
lot of this work on the impact of transit oversee on the brain, and we were sitting down he's doing all these MRI studies and were looking that you can. You know some of this stuff is now but an mri and you can see we were talking and he was like. So imagine you're a kid and you're experiencing this from the time your itty bitty. Is it any wonder that by the time you get old enough to get access to substances you're like bring it on our behalf up until that moment, there's no relief in again, I'm not ass. He resumed the announcing their own feel better attics, whatever I'm using its fascinating that the thing is as complicated as it is. You know: in the longer I'm around
Another attics cannot not observe these patterns emerging. So you know that annex like how many of the annex that you now have had some experience of childhood trauma, like what percent my sponsor, who has over the last thirty years, probably sponsored I mean it. Thousand guys. Probably at this point he told me, you know your forced us, where you right out all these resentments and these personal immature, and then you read it to your sponsor and he said that no question. Seventy five percent of the people have a sexual abuse thing in their M Tory. That's like that stark. So this is the point its regardless of how you're feeling about the choices that people make in their life. The basic science and public health tells us that if we adopt a fine early and we intervene early
We can change the odds for people brain and that's what it's about, regardless of whether you're on the most progressive side or you're, on the most conservative side, changing the odds for people improving the likelihood that they can be healthy productive in Gunnar Energy tax. Paying There is a good thing I want. I have one more thing about: attics reforming eggs are really want to hear about what that prevention looks like and what the intervention looks, but I do want to add one thing which is in again. It would be me, I'm a fucking cynic. I total you get it if I wasn't an addict and be like fuck, you just send me willpower or choosing not to have willpower, kneeling. Counter argument I want to make that is if you were to have looked at my life on paper, every chance I I could,
I was, I was at work, making money saving money. I was going to use ie allay. I was getting great grades. I was going through the groundlings I was making my levels I was, writing is many or more sketches and everyone else. I didn't have a willpower issue. If you look at any compartment of my life, you seen me exercise a tremendous amount of willpower, and then you put this fucking thing in my mouth: one drop of it to pills of whatever that guys gone, I'm a disappear for day, so I just want to point out that there is a difference between willpower and addiction. I think I don't know that I ever make that point on It may be for some people. You know one that some of us is a lazy bees shit across the board, but that its easy to conflate those two things in their much different. There then that raising awareness about this is so important to me. Is that ok, so the way that this manifest biologically indifferent people is
friend, it's a combination between nature and nurtured. You know its combination between your dna or protective factors you're all these different things, but the thing that I would say about it is that I think it makes a difference for folks in the way that they view themselves to be able to say, oh well, because of what I've experienced, I'm at greater risk. So we don't NASA
rarely have to play that blame and shame game right right, Anna Roma and want to be very clear that no one in this conversation is saying. Oh you have these, so you know I have a built in excuse for the rest of your life. It's not know now you have an explanation with that explanation comes some semi proven treatments for it. That's right! Yeah! That's right! So tell me about that. How you intervene, what what happens when someone gets identified, what kind of programmes or are proving to be successful? One of the first things is safe, stable, nurturing relationships right. So what the researchers showing is at oftentimes to really kind of adverts, the worst outcomes it can only take just one person rain, that wine trust dead, loving support. The research shows that just one person who is at loving, safe trusted person in a child's life can make a difference. That being said just as
impact of adversity, accumulative right in the body. Similarly, the impacts of what we call buffering our cumulative, though the more sources that you have of safe, nurturing buffering relationships, are really important. I would, they probably the strongest healing power connection. Is this nurturing buffering care and part of the reason for that, as I think I am, an earlier is that when, when you get a hug from someone that you love right like that releases, chosen in your body and that oxytocin inhibits the stress tests,
and had not only inhibits the stress response. It protects your organs like it protects your brain on body against the harmful effects of the stress response, because biologically our stress response was designed to save our lives, but we also have this biological response led by oxytocin to be able to recover rang so that peace is really important. Some other peace. As that I talk about in my book, could I wrote a book on this topic is really work. The title: that book, is the deepest well healing the long term effects of childhood adversity, which I have a copy of and cannot wait to read. So sleep is really important, so it turns out your stress response, resets itself, while you're sleeping it recalibrate- and you know like if you don't
sleep for a while. You get sick right, because not only does your stress response recalibrate itself, while you're sleeping, but your immune system, recalibrate itself, while you're sleeping and so one of the things that I talk, a lot about is the importance of sleep hygiene. Right like any kind of going to bed at the same time, every night and not sitting in bed with the earth? I pass, your blue light and many act and you're going to bed and waking up at the same time, avoiding things at a distraction and sleeping in a calm, quiet, cool environment. Right, like all of these things, that really help us get better sleep and that helps our body to have a fighting chance when stress response get overactive. Another thing is exercise so when we exercise
again that helps to metabolize. We burn up the stress hormones rain. It helps to release endorphins our bodies now for all high and do saying chemicals which can help to stabilize mood. It helps your immune system function better and it actually so exercise releases something called B D, an F brain derived, Neuro Tropic Factor, and this is kind of like miracle grow for brain cells, and so we know that one of the biggest impacts of the stress responses on the brain, beady enough helps brain cells be able to make new connection.
And so literally biologically, exercise, helps to reduce stress hormones, reduce inflammation and enhances the ability of brain cells to make new connections so mindfulness meditation. That's another thing that helps to regulate the stress response. Part that is through a combination of breathing and awareness and turning off your thinking. It helps to stimulate the parasympathetic nervous system, We know that we have the fight or flight system, the opposite of that. Our fight or flight is called our sympathetic, nervous system. The opposite of that is the parasympathetic nervous system and it is in charge. Of resting and digesting rising in digesting, and so when we do mindfulness practices, it strengthens the parasympathetic nervous system so that it can fight against.
Over actor right. So I talk about sleep exercise, nutrition, mindfulness, mental health and healthy relationships as like the six really powerful tools that we have to fight and overactive stress response. Well, when you say all that, I go well that the difference between right and end up in prison ultimately is My mom was so nurturing and made so much time for nurturing and smuggling and petty my hair, all that she was amazing at that, and then my friend was talking about we at twelve snuggled, we snuggled all the time we were with each other arms running others like we didn't know. We needed that, but we found that- and I do get so sad when I think of kids who are on their own with it, because I was I was saved by this friend of mine. You know about ten. Then I and now, like you, don't know why,
You don't know why I'm this is the thing that I love about. Science rate is that we take a look and we see ok like how does that stuff work, and I will tell you one of the things that I would really love to see so as a researcher looking at the effects of Oxytocin interesting Lee, when we think about the solutions, a lot of the solutions are the things that I talked about. Sleep exercise, nutrition, mindfulness, mental health and healthy relationships, but I'd also like to see medical science do more in the term of research to leg, help people out man a hate year yeah. So there was a researcher at Stanford that I tracked down, who actually doing a randomize control trial. She was and I M a population of kids who had autism, because you know autism communication. Social deficit can be a big part of the manifestation. She was using
oxytocin, nasal spray. They make such a lot here, Can you might well yeah? So this is the thing that I literally last week I was at the end of the age and I was like: have you ever thought about like doing some trials about oxytocin nasal spray, to treat an overactive stress response? As you know, we banned how many, like hundreds of million dollars for treatments for a cancer heart disease on all of these are worked right as and when we think about all of the money and scientific mines and effort has put behind it leg. Hello to all the manual two thirds of the population has experienced childhood trauma and the effects are significant like if we can do something to help you
to block that from happening. The ranger and I think that we should use our ball arsenal of resources. We have due by the way, there's so much downstream stuff. You couldn't even imagine what stuff it would clean up downstairs. Which is you got a bunch of people with trauma running all these countries in the world. They are people acting out of fear. Eighteen out of terror at protect. You know it's so global when humongous that if people felt good how many other things would be affected to the thing I would say is that when we talk about solutions right after about the things that are like for the individual and what we can do in medicine and science and that's why here in California, getting in January. Twenty twenty doctors are going to get reimbursed if they screen adults and kids or
average childhood experiences that the biggest project and I'm working on right now and not for our governor put forward. Two point: eight million dollars into reimbursing doctors to screen and that's an hour Medicaid system, I'm workin on trying to get a private pairs to pay for it as well and also put fifty million dollars over the next three years for me to work with our Department of Health care services to trained doctors on how to screen and how to respond with german firm care. So that's like the medical response, but to be clear, I see childhood adversity, it's like germ theory right like once. You understand it that this is the source of so many
health social, mental health outcomes. There are things you can do in medicine and science and medicine it's kind of the equivalent of developing antibiotics. We can do these advance our farmers therapy. And we can do practices like sleep exercise, nutrition, mindful of mental health in healthy relationships, but we also have to Lake changed the way our society works. This is what I I would say to the folks who are like a well. Everyone has trauma yeah and you are also covered had to tell it with bacteria there's a trillion bacteria living in your guy. The point is: when we have this information, it doesn't mean like we have to eliminate every bacteria right, that's dumb, but you can figure out, it doesn't have to cost. Disease and early death. The rapporteur- and we are sure that good bacteria and you can minimize the things that feed bacteria exactly a year exact year in any. No, I think it's really interesting an intriguing in road too
adults recognising their own drama in there. I was on a tv show for six years that dealt a lot with autism, so I met over those years. Many many different parents but to stick it in many of them had discovered their own place on the spectrum by going through the questions with their kid. In going. Oh, I guess I would have answered yes said that, so it's almost like a Trojan horse of your. There did just help your kid and then you can of accidentally find out of shit. I probably have some things that you know. Those are great things in their things. People can do. People can aim to sleep. Better people can aim to get some exercise outside that. What kind like is there a cognitive, behavioral therapy? I spec is there any kind of therapy or is absolutely so trauma, focus cognitive, behavioral therapy as one of the treaty,
that's recommended there are more and more mental health interventions that are proving to be effective in helping to address an over active stress response. I'm not, Mental Health, professional football yeah ends? I cautious, as I said about some of the ones that, we hear about are, for example, II, DE are as one that a lot of people are talking more and more about. I Movement Defence as a shadow but trauma focused cognitive behavioral therapy, particularly for kids. There's, child parent psychotherapy developed by doktor, Eliseo Liebermann, a researcher it you see us off. The most important thing about the mental health treatment is that it be trauma focused because this is one of the things that we see. That actually still happens to this.
A is that someone has a challenge whether there you know where they have their an addiction or their having anger, manage The issues are their depressed and they go and see a therapist. This therapist spends the whole time printed, treat their substance, Venice and never treats the trauma. You're right now, that's a re, was exactly and so that the trauma focus nature is important here. I feel I get some port and in the same sentence when you say these things can cause this that we all sale and you can stop it because otherwise, I might Fear is, and I think what may be a lot of people might think when they hear it is like. Could this caused some sort of self fulfilling prophecy words like. Oh, I have four aces, so I'm gonna have this and I'm gonna have the so yeah. I could
see people being like well. Do you want to find out? Because if you find out than you know, you're susceptible of all these things- and you know that I agree with that- but I have reactions like it's funny because it all boils onto like. I have a very low assessment of people's true good nature like oh anyway, someone. The system, there are gonna game. The system you know like that does knee jerk. And having grown up around a lot of wolves that reclaiming the system I am on, highlights four people here to your point, going like why a five so tough shit, I'm checking even mean consciously like that knowledge, even to game the system, but just like knowing that. Ok, I'm probably gonna have a substance abuse it like it You know better now, but again I think it would be. Look. I pretty much new he's. Gonna have one on third generation of known people having it in yet. I was like, while I still gonna, find out right.
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What my hope would be and what I see- and this is for- like the experience I have over and over and over again, because when you write a book about this topic- and you do now book door. What happens is that everyone in line is there, but they also tell you there. A sky re like real. I didn't write a right locally and, and one of the things about it is, I think, especially for adults, is to recognise o dang. Ok, I might have an overactive stress response right and so, when something stressful, it's going on in my life and let me actually be proactive and do the things that are going to make a difference so that I actually don't have that negative right outcome ray. I wanted to give an example of this, because I mean I'm looking at you guys. You guys know that when I came into my
clinical practice. It's not an accident that this is the work that I found will then that's where I was and yeah yeah yeah yeah. I mania for myself. I grew up in a household where my mom was paranoid. Schizophrenia and there were a lot of scary moments, jam and anything that informed my medical practice in a in ways that were really powerful that thing that I want to remember things. I think this is so important is that I think are a says, can be vulnerability, but I also think there the source of our superpower. yeah for real by my wife will say you know it's hard to deal with. I'm your share, but when the shit hit the fan which, over the last twelve years, this shit's hit the fan a couple times in its chaos. I'm is key
who is a cucumber. I make the right decisions, I'm not very effective in she's, like Alma, ATA boggling, how there was a huge acts, people screaming and you were like artless party regarded as this in this so yeah, that's the kind of other side sword that I like having that's right and it's actually actually think, there's a lot of people. I truly that I'm a big exe, man fan aka, ridden harmony. What's cartoons announced lil? I watch movies now, but that in their all mutants right, the hammer media and so that the part of the reason I love the excellent series rate is because their these young people who blow stuff up right they had they have these. There have these mutations they blow stuff up, and you know it eventually. Professor axes, like the heads you're right, he finds them and instead of again like blaming and shaming them, he has his professor axes school for gifted youngsters and he teaches them. How do you
is their gifts and instead of blowing stuff up how to use it for good brain and, in my own experience of my medical practice from the experience of having a mom was mentally EL, I kind of learn how to read Nonverbal cues like, really well, or you have to cause your life is threatened. If you don't have your spidey senses were shit about the go sideways right away, and so, when I'm caring for a patient and if there's something cannot go on beneath the surface, it's very easy for me to read that, and it makes me away. Better doktor rain and then, similarly, when stop is going sideways. I am your boss, prowling yeah yeah, but couple years ago, twenty fourteen, my husband and I had the experience of losing
a child like I will yeah yeah. We were six months pregnant, oh and our son came early. For forty minutes. That's the worst, sorry am and die. You want aigrettes dresser, and I will tell you I'm going to I'm going to say. I really feel like this science probably saved my life and did some really good things for our kids, because this is not an abstract exercise. To that question of how do people use this information on you for myself, because of my
own history. The likelihood that my brain and body are stress, sensitized and then I'm more vulnerable to subsequent trauma. It was definitely the worst moment of my life ever when we lost our sun and it took some doing even me, like scientists, researchers. This is what I do for a living, stress physiology and all the stuff. I was a hot hot mass and it wasn't until my brother was like dude, you, ok, Oh my god. I'm really not! Ok, I'm that person. Did you see I'm I'm the impaired parent. I can't take care of my kids right now and I literally I was like what what do you do. I look like sleep, my mom, and only later Literally tag did the thing
the religious way he made a huge different eyes hidden to deeds. I work within the programme all the time which is like No, you listen. You gotta have your less mine is journaling. Exercise will be. Temp service on. I don't want to be. You know I have my thing and I'm not allowed to get scared until I've done everything on that list and I still feel pessimistic and tariff all those things and so yeah mean you got to know your list, you got to, you got to run through it even in when you're miserable. That's exactly right. That's one of the things that I tell my patients all the time, as I say, make a list of what works for you right and hopefully it's informed by you know some of the science and some of the research. Really it's it works for you and that list can include like who your people are downright leg and who your people are like with like get out. What let that be Yeah and just
same way that my youngest son has a peanut allergy. We literally have a thing, an emergency care plan on our fridge like if he eats peanuts, what you gonna do. This is the medicine you gotta give. This is the dosage its literally like, if you're trigger, or if you are having that structure that tremor, even if you ve, just feel yourself kind of tipping over rain. Get that plan b? I am. I am the sad thing and the problem with mental health issues in general is that you're at your worst to be making those decisions is very much a self. Accelerating thing were it's? No, Ask us you're, making a decision, so you decide to eat a speedier meal to comfort yourself, and now you feel even shitty RSI decide to do this. The inner and you're getting further and further from the list, the air in it so easy. I don't like your one thing. Monica the one thing I was going to add to what you said about the self. Fulfilling prophecy is the one thing you can do is
alleviate some of the shame. I think it would be a shame. Is such a driving force of all the other isms that are destructive, that just a cut myself a little slack and go you're doing a little bit predictable doesn't mean you not responsible for, but it does help that I'm not a failed human being unworthy of love. All these things in good feelings. It just helpful to know like oh yeah. No, these are again if you had diabetes in you but again I don't make insulin fame and that no one sit around. You know they are beaten themselves up over it Do you think, knowing that, like the subjects were all similar and race, do you think there is more research to be done with different types of people yeah? So the ten criteria that were in a study, the ten address childhood experiences, they kind of set the scientific foundation for US I understand their cumulative adversity. If someone is
threatening you or oppressing you because of your raise did activated. Same biology, rain orbit. The earth, sexual expression or whatever right aggravates the same biology. The point is: if it's about basic biology rang and not actually. For me, it's been a real eye. Opener, because I actually came into this research from the standpoint of addressing health disparities like. Why do certain communities have worse, health and initially was about access to healthcare was yeah right ray. I did my masters and public health at Harvard, and that was a big part of the monitoring and residency that weren't unifies. He she resident they landed at Stanford. She went to Harvard she went,
We don't forget, you see, Davis man go out, do yeah. Well then, I am from you see, system that you see, Davis did not make our unify Alcott, I'm so sorry, I wouldn't like us and Larry S Mirage, but you know I don't have what you see on their site, I'm sick and one as well. The burglary makes a better answer. This is to say, as lead a black person living in America I've definitely felt that little flutter of my fight or flight response. We ran. Unlike am I risk here. Is there a threat to me or make it Creasy stories of this summit? the book, the spoiler, so my husband Have four boys do we baked in the oven to give to purchase, though we have for black boys jar at the time. The youngest Edmund boring we're up and tar home, and you know some play So the round Tahoe get real world
Oh, when you're mad aside, headed towards Rina, yeah, yeah yeah, so does so that where we are and our boys are sitting on a bench acting like rowdy little boys and two guys welcome behind them, and I described them in the book as like shaved heads steel, boots real, like you know, tattoos on their now white nationalist luck and they're. Looking at our kids crazy, like what the heck are, these kids doing, like really an I had been in the restaurant, I walk around the corner and eyes, see my husband he's looking at the kids and is looking at these eyes and his fists recline chinese looks like he's ready to bring all the idea, and the point made in the book is up. My husband is white. ok, but because he has, for black kids reign the impact
of racism in America because he's like I'm about to die you right now, because a break it might prove my point about Wabi, while Wabi model hath Asia. We fight about this shrubs wife is Filipino she's actually have Filipino in this year than his quarter Filipino, and I keep telling Monica that now rob is half Filipino she hates so anyway, you just kind of stomach onto a long time joke of death. So look at that her husband Why you have responded with you today. You have largely now I'm Geryon Monica but now that every while the area that is wild Yet- and I guess, if you know if your white- you ve- had a black friend in you- in places in you, ve felt that two by proxy or use dated someone Avenant you get
not merely on the same level, but you can witness it in a brand new way which you're just largely unaware of, or you know just imagine that every time you see a cop in your room here, it's the feeling that you had when you're drunk driving but like all fuck, I'm thought I'm going to jail literally, if every time he saw a cop you are like amendment driving, you know that's the idea. Bp yeah yeah yeah, you get let's get behind your luck if every single time why the worry is- and I think that for many people it's an- I listen, I'm the surgeon general of california- and I have the experience of- is this person. Gonna have a biased, gonna put my life at risk. Yeah yeah, yeah, He saw coming to the surface. I think you think God, because I'm fucking by my group
You know I lived in downtown Detroit. Ninety two percent black and arms deal at forty four having things explained to me in a way like, oh, my god, yeah, I'm most totally, I find that in our entrapped my own perspective at all times pretty much ok, I do want to just introduce an idea I had, and it's not to make you defend what you ve been saying, but I they have this thought the other day I've watched a million documentaries about baboons, chimpanzees, orangutans its guerrillas and if you are doing These videos they witness almost daily physical abuse from another ranking mail or for male sexual trauma, orangutans rape, each other. There are inter species wars that happen, where they witness homicides about homicides hominids. But when I look at that, pardon me goes shit. We are so hard wired to deal with this stuff. We have to have bet, there's no reason that we are also great apes and I can look
but all the other great apes and their dealing with just daily trauma by all definitions, and we must have the mechanisms and we couldn't have just evolved to lose them. So There is a voice. My have it goes. A horse shit were designed to deal with trauma. Have you read the research on cortisol in private? is it off the charge robs the movie. This is actually All we know a lot of this stuff, because yeah monkey do the same thing. Private insane so Rob supports key he's at Stanford, heedless, went out and lived in the Bush and track monkeys any not monkeys. Guerrilla guerrilla strain you can tell him not a prime Italian, so trapped guerrillas and he measured cortisol levels. I guess what the lower ranking you write the higher.
You're goin on low level, except in one condition. This is fascinating is that when you have the highest ranking guerrilla and then something happened that shuffles it up, where there's a threat of losing their privilege, in that instance, the gorilla that has the most privilege to lose their cortisol level, whether this right bags of ass, an aim, but they were the ones that have that alone, thinking they have the highest quarters. They have the highest inflammation at the highest level of illness. They live shorter. They all of the above and make sense red white zebras, don't get ulcers by rob, Firstly, why zebras don't get answers? I will ok another thing and unite talk about this little bit before we started, which I think is interesting, so
we're starting here more and more about generational drama in kind of inherent teen trauma in a most frequently its brought up in reference to the black experience in America, which makes a ton a sense. I of course was a little bit like all. Then we can you can't change your dna. No part of your experiences can alter your dna or pass on that, and so I brought it up to you and then you explained to me an artful detail. What actually just and how that can be transmitted generationally. So it doesn't change your genetic code
your knee and aid that Ain t J C. What researchers found is that on our dna there are markers, they're called appy genetic markers, because epigenetic means above the genome, and these markers tell us how our dna should be read. They put markers on sequences of dna, which essentially say skip this next segment. Don't bother to read this next segment of dna or hey. You know this segment right here that processes, how much inflammation you have in your body read that twice makes some extra copies of that range. So it's this epigenetic regulation in one of the things I say it's like. If the DNA are musical notes there, like the musical notation, which tells your body how to play That signal our hand and also a computer program that again go go
lying twenty rising. Like thirty. That's exactly rang right, so our epigenetic regulation is very strongly shaped by our environment. And that actually can be handed down from one generation to the next so, for example, the way that we know this their stand. This they die on research in the children and grandchildren of holocaust survivors using naturally occurring circumstances. Severe trauma and scenes changes in their epee genetic markers raids. That also coincided with increased risk of health in mental health in behavior our problems. But again we knew we also see this across species, but here's what's totally dope right,
play. This is what we were talking about, so we used to say which is more important, nature or nurture, and now we know that it's actually your environment shapes how your biology manifests or right and here's what's really dope about it. Is that Some of this research about nurturing relationships, there's evidence to show that these nurturing relationships can actually change epigenetic, regular, so. We ve literally seen this in rats where, when they take it, baby rats stress them out, and then the moms either do lots of during care or some rat moms kind of naturally did a little bit less nurturing care and the rat pops, whose moms did a lot of nurturing care. They had better. I could have functioning right like they perform better on tests.
They had a more normally functioning stress response that turned itself off normally after the stress sir, was done, and what they found was that that was associated with the changes in these happy genetic markers and that they handed it down to the next generation and the praise. Thing is that in these experiments, when they took the next generation of rats- and they stressed em out again but this time instead of giving them to their biological mom, they switch dumb and they gave the pops biologically from a mom who didn't do a lot of nurturing care to a mom. Who did do a lot of nurturing Karen those pops there. Better executive money, more normal stress response, and they have the Abbe genetic markers of mom raised them run on their biological on his own. This is what the science is showing us is that nurturing care really can change ass, all the way.
Into our dna, which I think is really cool. The I added very cool units round it's got me to buy. I am actually bought in I recall again, twenty years ago, in a cycle to class learning that schizophrenia is a genetic right. So you generally can pass that on and, as it was explained to us again, probably change in twenty years, but there were people who, in when identified as having the genetic marker, for it were encouraged to not do anything stressful between the ages of white, eighteen and twenty four, that's kind of winning a generally sets on. If you carry the marker, is that still how we think of schizophrenia? And if so, where you terrified to also becomes gets frantic, oh yeah, whose eye terrified, yes, Lately I was I am, and I think some other research shows that even for example, again like we're understanding a lot
This combination of nature and nurture so even, for example, identical twins where one develops gets a funny. I think the other one dump quote me on this, but I think it's like this three percent chance. So so again, even though they have the identical dna, they don't just necessarily both raw get it. So it's a comedy shouldn't between genes and environment- and yeah? I had a mom parents, it's ready and I also have very stressful environment way, right eye which was really challenging. What am I four brothers ended up developing gets a funny. How did he have a dramatic event significantly more profound than any of you guys did in that window? Honestly, I think he was more sensitive, aha, but I also like one of the things that research also shows is that you can have five kids grow up in the same family who have different experiences.
And part of this is around buffering care. Part of the work is increasing, You know, as I say, the cumulative dose of buffering in the community, because it could be like your soccer coaches, that buffer morning. You know your pastor, your rabbi, our your mom or it could be whoever you know, you're next door neighbour or whoever is that person who is able to be that between care and the more sources you have, the better rain For me, my dad was a huge buffer for me, so my dad is a biochemists. Yes appeared the inorganic chemistry along, and we all hope that class. But but it was a really interesting experience, my family, because of all of my brother
none of them were really scientifically inclined. None of them have gone into the sciences. Yeah I like out the key just loved science, and that was something that my dad and I totally bonded overland. We were like the nerd, father and daughter like doing natural experiments, in the kitchen and re I'm that was a big source of buffering for me, and this is so off topic, but I'm just gonna ask you anyways. We recently heard a different podcast in there as a woman on they're talking about that. So many folks busy so dangerous, I'm gonna repeat what they said.
So many folks that get into these ivy league colleges, better African American, that have had some kind of waited admissions through affirmative action go with the intention of exploring some kind of stem pursuit and they gave Michelle Obama even as an example and her book. She talks about having gone there to get into medicine and then being kind of redirected towards something else. Did you feel pressured to drop that pursued or what do you think of that situation in general? I don't know that doubts on an I wouldn't be surprised. If I heard that right I mean I would say, I know a lot of people who were pre met, him call I said when I heard up, but african american doctors right. So, let's just say you went through college, you didn't work remit, you go through medical school in you go. The whole way are five times as like
to serve underserved communities right where I won't tell you, don't make it but buddy right. I re as caucasian in writing labour but seriously. Listen. I think that just as you know, your apparent right later, if you saw a dad in the park and he had two little girls and Sun was going on a He'S- gonna struggling rang you'd be like man. I gotta help him out your brain. Similarly, I think, because people of color we do, we will we walk through the world now and we see the experiences, and I will tell you that I, when I was in college, I would spend all my summers doing like these pre. Ed training programmes and the M card that horrible people undertake to like em cat training programmes- and I remember I went to do this M cat training programme was in Chicago-
and the one who is leading this for students of color she's, like don't worry about China study. Do hard because you know the average black person who gets in medical school. They have lower M cats. Anyways. What are you? Are you, permit me to lower mice dammit, right leg- and this is the programme for Students- say that, fortunately, for me, I feel, like my parents taught me the opposite, and it was really wonderful that you know my dad appeared in organic chemistry. My moms they always taught me like hey, you have do like get your education. They had very, very high expectations and for me that was actually ultimately one
The reasons why it was really important for me to open this clinic and this really underserved neighbourhood and never Cisco, because I just felt like you know what this community, that is mostly low income. African American and let me know, and Pacific Island they need a doctor who went to Harvard Unsafe, in Berkeley, and you see Davis and while Doktor Harris what a pleasure you really really fun one. My favorite topics, I'm so happy for you made it they had high expectations and new delivered. Well, either they weren't indian Barents illicit Megan. Parents are no doubt this is my dream. Job I have this day. I love science and I love people and I love using science to help people be healthier, and so I'm just
grateful I think you're wearing that. Well, I think they picked well yeah yeah. It here fairly good. It IBM reopening the here and now my favorite show the back checked with my saw me. So about nice handwriting. Your yeah. He wrote a note and it I think, is nice. Handwriting too.
Farewell little far away, and I am now I am. I got us so the compliment is only so strong you and I wasted. I don't know forty minutes last night, looking at sharp teeth, because you didn't have your glasses and I was like the ether sorry that I am very sorry that you can wear on your neck. They cut you only known as the soft, partly and now I still feel like if you're wearing a sharp shark too thin air raid on your body- and you know you're jumping around on it- cuts you well dad who hold on. I don't think he could cut you, because there's gotta be some opposite force. On the opposite end of the two, but it just jiggling around in I'm saying, there's no hand pushing it down the if Don't know what? If someone pushes you? Ok, what value pinpointing Britain different circle the girl, that's, my point is in life. Shit happen,
you fall down. People push you you're, jumping in something, that's what I mean it's too dangerous. Well, I wonder raw about it. Died from owning a sharp teeth, neck la Maybe listeners you can tell us if you know someone who have died. Nor may I ask you something: close your eyes cousin, tight in one's asylum, Tanzania I'm wrestling around in your nose with them again her why I am, but I thought it sounded like someone role, Enron and the Brook linens, ok basil, big stretch. I would have never thought you'd ordained to sue in my he knows me bring in the tissue up to my big. Your brain did the rest. He yeah my brain works pretty. Well, you got a damn good brain. I really liked Maybe my now, you know my friend Lizzie Autonomy
smartness friends Lizzie was also the person I turned to for all the jewish question. All great seizure ambassador. Yes, She was like hey you guys, Think about having- a person. I had read about her something, and then I put two and two together that that was the person that was involved in these. AY says that we had heard about a while ago. So then yeah so the uneven. No at that point she was a surgeon, General California and soldiers its DOW. You know my favorite kinds of episodes are ones were like as soon as we finish, recording them all like reach out to my mom going like coming out. We disregard it when you have to yeah, and I think I have already told like three or four people that they have to listen to her hair yeah ass, a great up so that it can be confused with Doktor SAM Harris. Is it: I guess: he's got his hd branches, it a bit better,
I kind of wish medical doctors had a different too. I still wouldn t I m D, give it you don't say that arise the empty differentiate. You just say doctor age, although I should say that, because I love professors yeah, you do so. I gave you doctors. I don't think he was a doktor at that point. I pray was to heart to heart and then she I don't think she would be mad that I say this, but she sent a file warp email T just see about was ok, which was You remember the two months ago I was, I was saying nothing to feel bad about bitches State out a certain identity. Some of the costs of that are. Sometimes you got a clue you worried about. You walk so felt very nice that she was like. Are you ok, I said I don't know. I think I am. How does one? No, if they're, ok,.
Oh yeah! Are you functioning? Are you happy you work relatively on time. Yeah present was my family d feel happy most days you think you're doing pretty good, I guess you're right but you know the same as those eyes. Oh you had all these aces care, but then We wonder like oh, is there a specific treatment for aces? Was she was giving them like mainly personal relations, positive personal relationships and quite a few meditation. What you do sometimes so. Do I am very glad about that? yeah. I think he hunger, I won't live twenty or shorter. I hope we don T know you said the doktor knows
Ray stored, Glenville raised over here, and I did. I had a little fantasy about this price total illusion of embryos. This way- and I ll be this way even a retirement, but I had this notion of being retired- Just delete the my way everywhere, and I imagine that can be good for my body. I don't think that's gonna happen Now I don't mean that would happen from me either. I don't. I don't think I have a year now and I'm your whole life what about kinder yeah? What was mainly doing assistant work, fur Kristen that specific kind of work. I was manic like I know, and I could tell- and at the end of the day I would like recognise that I was in state. I was in a brain state that wasn't healthy right because of
trillion balls in the air is just a volume of things. It was then, the amount of bow said the air at once, not from me for somebody else. So it was. It felt like pressure. Mixed with this, like no, no, no, no! No! No! I didn't have any evaluation of it. I just had my brain, which is working at A hundred miles an hour all day, trying to hold like beat fingers was to be remembering the apple, but but it was weird because I was recognising us, I'm in this sort of man state. My could tell when I was in it, but I also kennel like did Sherwood people who have man expells they enjoy the man expells like feels really productive. Aha, improbable here we are a little high you're
yeah yeah, but I think it's your high on your ability to be able to do it. A manager, yeah yeah well by Jo Leinen on the amicably things are like draw analyze Yahoo and getting you extra near by taking an extra maybe, but I was saying that because, but you do good and you and I both do get on vacation or other type of people that need the like people c on vacation, I will sit down in a chair and vacation and stay in it for twelve hours. You know, that's changed for me because I, u still I go of occasion and I had a list of things that I had did Russians, I had to go to lay them. Yes, I tiree an ideology
What's wrong with my family to New York and I really want to go to sound deputy, and maybe when line was like three hours and they said no and I was furious, you would have waited for three. Oh yeah you're amazing about the premier in London, oh sure, you're, a great patient, four lines when you want to do the right things that I really need to have. Oh yeah, yeah away. I was walking down the street and there is a billboard said three oral sex with Scarlet Joe ah ha and there is more than ten people know. I'm gonna keep moving So it is that I won't wait. Yeah yeah because I I don't know that I enjoy anything in life is much as I dislike waiting tat, interesting, the illegal arrests. I'm like I got my mind, set on it, I'm already eating it on the car ride. Get there there's like, seven people mingling in the doorway and I'll just keep drive and pass the even place.
So many ways to distract yourself now, like podcast and stuff? I just Maybe if I were with like you bow and Jason whatever I know you're gonna cut up, have fun and make fart noises in my, oh, my god. Oh my god, you gotta tell it. Ah, my goodness. Oh my goodness, that's just so. Naturally, I we have a story tat, all boy, how we intervene. It's someone yesterday and I would add that it was a pretty female Gaddafi like that combats for me sure, and these new far's, you know generally mostly pollio, and so they fit into that that sounds. He ass white pounded like two or three those bars in the morning and then throughout the whole interview. I found that I was getting very gashes and I was really holding them
They want a small space. Has its own discomfort, blah blah blah pour me. We go outside to take photographs, as we do at the end of the interview, and it was rate interview only on and we got along with her really well out there and then ah or taking pictures Wabi was changed his focal length at one point. Ours is aperture something, and I was about to comment on that and read as I was about to speak, I get up a real loud of art, I mean it came out of nowhere. I have no warning it. It was a big of a surprise to me. Was trying to Wabi, while they were woman is longer than that was english law right, Jim! You, dear you're, more objective to me: I do what you, although I know that I am going to push back a little bit, because maybe that links with skirt
that, sounded what's good for you but his own, his wet it might in no way If any one thing I needed to go like check myself for white birds, my meander or why there was a lot drier than that, but up. But I can see that it might have in that line at a map volume. It was oh loud in Mamma, had had You had a runs who, in addition and this one hour break, we have. I did so. I miss this moment. You, MRS moment in there was no missing it if you were within twelve or fifteen feet of other. You heard that why did I was driving acknowledge his eyes far back at the other end, he was so obvious, an unavoidable that I mean these go. Oh my god afforded I'm sorry and carefully that in its God bless her. She was like all my. I love that it is far immature clearly just be nice to makers we
will you- and I really really I'm hammered this out last night, what out the different levels that go on yeah in you were like one? That's fine! If she said she thought it was funny, and then we were playing this game like I pathetic, oh, what if we had a scarlet Johannsen on- and she too did during the pictures right, I think you'd, like did you write like I'd first? I would like now, but then I really put myself in that situation me in the eye. What I decided was I was, I would either be neutral of of it or even may be. Thank you was cute yeah, but I would also be overcome with the co. Dependent, of course, second hand, embarrassment than I know, she's feeling he and I would take that on. I so, however, cool this gale was yesterday. She had to have been like. Oh, my god he's
on bare how I've got a comfort. This is like the re state, AIDS or comfort people who were bought. It seemed for green raises the that's different EU foreign and you couldn't help air and that I did not. You didn't nine on islands, everyone site house injure in this far its makes jerk feeling a bit like? Oh no he's embarrassed, but also the meat pride. The mirror neurons like. Ah, if that's what it is a mere neurons, even of using its cue, you go wrote to how you would feel and you'd feel terribly yeah. ASEAN. I like what jogged my memory only in it had it been sixteen years since I forwarded in front a someone on acts that arise as a very hid affliction it is, it is before you can control of yours during your heart, while I was there, the scene over had to at the very beginning the movie, where I climb very tall Rove up to a tree for in something about you know:
exerting myself. The in this manner was climbing and the whole crew is staring me climbing the rope there's like eighty people moon shape around the rope and I get about midway up some virtually my but is just, may be affordable. Everyone's head. Can I get one just rips out in white He climbed the every? Not why Now here's what happened, because it we're rolling we're fail me MA. Am I I don't know much about movies at that point, when I don't even know that they can drop the sound for a second. Whatever here point is I get to the top of the tree house and was maybe twenty feet off the ground I get up. Then I say would arouse was to say in a meal after I got guys. I know I've are there and then everyone started living, as everyone did in fact here First Movie Mike- and this is
optimism, so much to me that way worse than what happened yesterday. No, I would argue, not because high, because those eighty people could share it. You're so public that it's almost like they were protected in there in there, I am in your numbers and a lot of people having you, but thus I know what I mean it's worse because there's something about like. someone exerting a lot of energy really focused and then finding that Zol, embarrassing chairmanship that aspect furniture furthermore, going into like us, but it does make what would be more embarrassing you're in an elevator. It's just two of you and you let up very you're like in line to get an apple product, then, like forty people here, you far
there is a way worst and they all here, yeah, that's wayward, are just think they can all look at each other and share it and then their their alleviated of some of the rats they're not shouldering that whole experience by themselves. There's theirs number. Three yeah. I think you are now thinking of it from the perspective of the bridge, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now that I'm talking about the person and foreign had been used, you can't remember one in adulthood and near inclined to think it hasn't been. Since you were a kid, I don't think so, Gonna have my god. I'm there you would be must be so upset. Europe There are the time horizontal godson. I mean why we hope that your factor with afar check boy that was farts. It's good though it could be. It's good to me. Meliot it occasionally, because we believe there is no.
There is no embarrassment like that one- that is the ultimate I was saying I would rather have walked through a plate glass window for spilled like a whole smoothly on my shirt. Is so using its role of your butt hall is one also mainly because it could come with a smell all right. What years did not? Oh my gosh. Thank God, thing God. There is no danger now had an smell. Ok, ok, yak ASEAN. Is all this conversation is all my eye on our website. I far did oh boy, sorry, just like coming out that so cute Bob Bob and then unlike announced, that the clock is ticking unlike ok, Well, why not shortly? If there's this We really must guy hours dealing so close, my! U go well, it would have been worse if it were silent, but but Thirdly, a and I no no now because of what I put it down his gotten her email and
Sorry rob far at your session as that. Something like I gotta just like the only reason this is kind of extra back It's a stranger that you just had an expert dance with they have some of opinion of you. Now some judgment of you like now part of it is like. I think he farts a law were exactly will that's definitely what our gas things are. There's, no, She thinks that that that was that it had been sixteen years since at last have a gun, the tragedy in the who, wow what a good question. No, you know those bars images, a total lack of war. We normally, I can feel some activity down there and I noted clinch my my bottom cheeks were do without you. Gotta do. But this this came. I was
rod cited by the civil been there. Everyone knows exactly what you're talking about both also it so funny about it. She was hugging. You did to squeeze you about passenger. Nobody review would call like we had our arms or only to looking at your camera. We were like facing now, but enough. She had like ta like around my waist area? No noise was using my legitimate, maybe she was holding me Oh how any well that more than half that really do ok, anyway, ACES aces, swishing back, I want to read them to people know. Please do ok. There's tell. Can I M a check when you ok, ok, lobby, to count. Yours, you don't have to say which ones create. Oh yeah yeah I in our view, said that aid
dear oh, but I have one blue, yeah, Hokosa Ease and most beloved one ogre, Edwin, ok, first one before you're, a tenth birthday did apparent or other adult in the household often or very often swear at you insult, you put you down or humiliate you or act in a way that made you afraid that you might be physically hurt number two before your eighteenth birthday did parent or other adults in the household, often are very often push grab slap or throw some thing at you or ever hit you so hard that you had marks or were injured three before your eighteenth birthday did an adult or person at least five years older than you ever touch or fondly or have you touch their body in a sexual way or attempt, or actually have oral anal or battle intercourse with you before you
it didn't birth. They did. You often are very often feel that no one in your family loved you, I thought you were important or special or your family didn't look out for each other feel close to each other or support each other before your eighteenth birthday, you often or very often feel that you didn't have enough to eat, had to wear dirty clothes and had no one to protect. You or your parents were too drunk or high to take care of you or take you to the doctor. If you needed it. Is aware for me as we go through these, because a lot of these, I would say no to my primary living situation with my mom, but then you know it weakens with dad. Why has the council not my account area in either have Norton Odin before your birthday was a biological parent ever lost you through divorce abandonment or other reason before your eighty. But there was your mother or stepmother, often or very often pushed grabbed slapped or had something thrown at her or
sometimes often or very often kicked bitten hit with the fist or hit was something hard or ever repeatedly hit over at least a few minutes or threatened with a gun or knife. Before your eighteenth birthday. Did you live with anyone who was a problem drinker or alcoholic or used street drugs? Before your eighteenth birthday was a household member, pressed or mentally ill, or did a household member attempt suicide before your agent, we did a household member go to prison, that's all. I might add to it heart answering these bills, hard it as your heart, because you got what you I think you try to a minimum why you know I'm in here like, as this would be a consistent pet. Biogas is often more often some like, especially with the one about physical fear of getting whenever
But it's like also at that time, kids we're getting hit like as as punishment, which is, in my opinion, differ and then just getting here too, I think dear friends, in my mind would be: was your parents administering a consequence right, or was your parent enraged and hitting you right, but I think that, me would be now you get a linear in doing that. We are parents, lost control and started having you or did they go? I told you four times now: you're gonna get a Spain rang it to spanks, and that's it they're, not enraged or totally making. You feel completely unsafe, but you really feel unsafe when you are getting spanked bepraised didn't like it yeah. I don't think so. The moon mouthing people feel safe when they're getting spank, which is why spanking has now
dawn, the way of the Dodo. Well, my grandmother used to spanked me. She would do it with a yardstick, sometimes stir paddle, but I just I I was that's. Here she was gonna, lose control here, I thought I felt like she was in control. Many, never to have Trevor moments where they were angry that it was still a cause. Consequences when it was like by it behave with anger, yeah you're workers in that situation. I would be scared like, whereas is going right, can see when someone doesn't have control of themselves and if it big any dog, is hearing you and you
can see, they don't have control the natural you're like how far as is gonna, go or like. I remember it like my brother and I used to fight nonstop, yet only normal, and he would beat me up, and that was fine, but there was there was one incident, one incident where we are fighting at my dad's house and he was now a teenager, so he had so many hormones and everything and I'm here I was driving them insane and it got to the point where we fought and he got on top of me and I used to have these carrying cases. My hot wheels cars in inside the case. They have these plastic hard plastic grids that each car would go in and he took that and he pushed it on my face and he was pushing it with his whole body weight in it my nose and staring up at him- and I really was thinking. Oh gosh- he's lost
complete new role. I dont know how bad he's gonna hurt me yeah. I guess that's out, that's how I would be no near defined. It is yeah, maybe trauma he adds its lead away. Don't blame him at all. He was crazy, chaotic situation very toward father and we're pouncing around the houses and bit Serbians. I absolve him a ball guilt I'm doing the opposite, so you had one you think I do now. I definitely add one at least one Bobby while to earth yeah. I think I have between one and three is also hard when you had good, errands for her to think about the deadline. In that way, yeah into like really start evaluating and thing like ha here, but you could have a good parents whose incredibly loving, whose of fuckin attic to nods out on the couch and yeah. I've missed you
meaning a trip to the hospital. So it's like business, I mean you're, bad or evil, Yeah I mean I guess I would probably say that that's not it pair, and I know that not everyone knew her love them right. That's not good parenting, but it's not. It's me. That's different than choosing the injury or child does Those aren't for me binary, like I There is a whole spectrum of parenting and what's healthy and what's not healthy, and I also think loving your Child is mutually exclusive, can being rational exclusively riding a meal from hitting them from neglecting that from all of those things? I don't I think most parents love their kids. I think biologically they do, but I think you can still be a not.
Although some parents, and understandably they resent that care less, I resent the deck he had his changed their life and away there not enjoy yeah stuck with cited here. I think that's rare and she said She was like most parents want their kids big mouth, yeah yeah yeah the evil. When their guilt you have a lot of these things, but why are you in a year there? Maybe a couple? Those like you goes on. Maybe it's not a man devilry, six or black and white for me, but yeah. I think I mean I I guess I'm a take away is even without the screening attack. I guess why? Don't you just teach kids early regardless to build personal relationships to meditate to sleep well liked,
the training rhinos do that for every person right as a preventive measure. Does why not do that? For me, it's never gonna hurt you to do any of those things out through its only gonna help every kid, and so, if you're saying like we're, gonna leave him in the house than ever. When you just, given those tools from the beginning, instead of evaluating who needs these holes, who doesn't industries whose that closer, the throat noise? Anyway, it's on the railroad and I'm losing out to throw everything sounds in my body. He all right so. Yes, she was talking about the Vince, the lady study on a Tri city. Yes, that's what sort of started this Aced research, he He was doing this obesity trial. And every one was dropping out and he couldn't understand why people were dropping out because they were
Using way so was like a fifty percent drop out rain. He was like one is going on working as working. Why would they leave and then so is so, then he went and started talking and those people who dropped out right now he found so then he accidentally said, but how much is your way when you had to first experience, but I was by the time he was asking on these questions. Forty, I know he will. My girls was so upsetting, as when I tongue silken, where forty pounds review you got, breast reduction surgery might go, get yourself under eighty. I think a where fifteen pounds you don't look so now well
get that I'd like to test how? I guess I could settle mammas scale, but then you did the rest my bodies tat most of you double whatever the number one will get a physicist to give us of calculating. We will get air global to come in I'm sure as a new scan and hold it yet, but he could figure that out well known density of boobs and volume Times MILES Nicholls, IE eight, ask him any questions I need so was I now. I love him so much you so busy, but I loved her elbow room, higher homes or our resident doc, We do so at any moment, Erika pop out o the bath pasture land survivors, that's great yeah, any So you said what you said this a few times now and the past this week, you've said yeah millennials, you know they when I hear that they can't work out a place on Sir
Boss, take some the lunch four times a year. You said that exact phrase coupled had gone off. He heard them nor those coming from aware one of the ever growing complaints was that the student had never been to her professors house for dinner. Okay, so oh. Are you fucking getting me sure that runs that's one burst and then also you know. There's these this whole new employment approach employed by Google, and all these tech companies that rely on young people and they have to play games for ex manner the day. My hat in others- and there is even worse- being millennial that sees tat companies? They are recognising, like
brain stimulation that happens in those activities is then gonna create some creativity and it is not enough not does. That is that turn over they can afford turnover and millennials. Unlike my generation in an even more so the generation before me, most people got a job in that job became their career in they stayed there twenty thirty forty years? That's not the paradigm anymore. People will have eleven different employers by the time their thirty. Yes, oh just knowing that there already in a situation that they have no intention of being there for more than two years. You have to now start heading off any grievance. They might have. That would cause this turn over. So there they are coddling these tech, which I have no f. Golden judgment about it, the markets demanding that they act this way as the market will do. Maybe I may I guess all that's true, but I don't I don't know like the playing games is because of that I mean the Google.
Emphasis both be all. This was supposed to three be walk all the day than they do at ever hook up with people. The jungle bet, I think, that's an extreme thing that you're saying you that's not true extreme, They illustrate a point. I know what you're saying it as if, like you heard that somewhere what time do you didn't hard? This woman was furious that are professor, never had her over to dinner. Ok, we you don't say that you say millennials. Aren't their bosses aren't taking them out to lunch four times a week made an omen reading, but don't a point like back as then you're making the sweeping Judgment in out of you wrong is as you business at a moment in anyway. If I go well, here's the thing about millennials one millennium wanted to go to dinner at or prefer ass in other words, is that's. What's happened? Well made a judgment of a people based on one
I will happily with what I know about the tech industry and how they have to prevent these young. Cults from leaving and going to another company like, but not every millennials intact. That's a tough any one hundred now and you might be about retention, but it's probably because these people are hard to come by. Who are really good sure, but even you, let me back up. Henry Ford was one of the first people to China over pay his poisoning overpaid is employs because he had done the math and he found out what the price of turnover was any figured out, that it be cheaper to pay them more than to have turnover custodians a period of training them and all this shit. So I'm just saying the market forced him to pay people more to deal with turnover, and I think that currently happening still into me being
different generation. It seems a little coddling, but if it's happening in Henry Ford generation, it's not millennials, it's annoying that has had been happening forever. Yes, yes, I'm saying that this is always happen, but where is it used to be pay them? twice what the going rate was an hour now it's how Monsieur son staff get your wandered on. Bulgaria and Romania are worthless, not try it our birthday. You know it's great, it's like me. It's like at working at a help. Today, it's made of everything you just said is completely made I think they have a misuse, I'm step. Maybe they do here. I guarantee you wanna. These tech companies has almost Susan's part of the main reason that that is also happening is because these people
our working twenty hours a day, so their hard great workers now. But the point is the reason: there's like a bad, maybe take a nap is cause. They expect you to constantly be on and working that's new gobbled up is the the rationale behind the free dining room cuz. Then it will encourage coworkers, sit at the table and eat this free food in the no end up talking about the project and get so yes, I can see that that's so like his colleague works it Netflix, which is great like every time. You tell me something that they do not like someone. That's amazing. I know but Frazier eggs appear, though, paid a freezer eggs which we will do. They pay a four four goobers right to and from work, which is all like on the surface you're, taking that in, like all you have given them all this stuff to retain, but it's not to retain they. Let they want to pay for members in the morning they can work in the car. They are paying for the
the freezing, so that you don't feel like you have to leave your job and have a baby. It's all for the sake of working. More and longer and all the time, so I don't think it's that labour jungle I ask Governor Malden I'll: ask Google Google that have a part time basis masseuse I can now she's a milliner, ah modern everyone. She was the part one. It started with forty employees, she had of part time, job money and please she was rubbing down forty people in eighteen. Eighty, call Jesus. Twenty years ago years ago, before millennials were working, Interesting wrong. I think, is more likely that they hire misuses to come in.
How's the keeping one Einstein mild company- all right as the I'll tell you why they want to pay as an independent contract or not to give healthcare and retirement and stock options, although it sounds like they give a corruption itself in the air, but so when I googled bears I googled eggs. I was like I'm sure, he's talking about since something he read which I was bar, but the only way I could find- about millennials and lunch, and then there was a time when he was in love you, but I have a couple times now. There was a ton of articles on this exact thing, which is millennials, want lunch breaks but feel like they can't take them which go to my point where they feel like they have to work all the time, and I am saying they, but I'm one them, so I and you always have to have dinner with your boss- might cost
makes me. Have the auditors fanny? Why anyway, but see you ve had a misuse, but not at work. I mean. I guess I again I, but I am there if this is to my point of a really gonna talk about in my don't leave. I lit really don't leave Eileen around five hours. I mean I physically. Don't leave that environment? Ah ha, I would say I met my house woods, but I dont by the way. I am grateful for this I'd love to be it the your house over, but I broadly go home. It Tat had both right right back at seven, a m in April. The ten hours and also this is also legal situation at home
what are the sole shopping? Roma were all on a team brown team and were blown money, some I'm with massages in vacations is what's happening, yeah, but the vacations are for were now, but there are a product of the work We can afford to go on vacation as we all do. This work to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah anyway So manuals don't be upset that Dax keeps talking about how many want a little lunch with us a Europe. One arm chairs like shit. That's me. I want to go to I don't even know I'm saying it because in reality who want to go to lunch with their exactly? exactly a who bear? But look you I'm sorry. You have you have to fill a fun archetype for the sake of function,
station, just as my generous ass to fill in archetype workers beating the greatest generation was really are all great y. All now the greatest generation wasn't all gray, but where we gave them that archetype and I'm sticking with it. You know, I'm talking, I think, you're, the greatest generational Dingus should have fought the greatest to the greatest generation. Now. Clearly, a lot of those people were scumbags, but we call it. The greatest generation goes if it's easy and fun and we tell stories enlightened, we only think and stories, and there are here preserve the greatest generation. Ok, I disagree. My com, a mediocre generating oils, are the greatest immersion. Hours? I actually look I'll be honest. I think Millennia are one of the best generation, not Jan ACT. Z or whatever the one is under millennials. Millennials are not fucking know
That's not true Europe. I log jam. You are talking about the one below mullah, I'm a millennial, renew your millennial, o! Congratulations! I'm saying is we have many people here see that millennials are having less sex basic gin? whenever you just said, o Z, that the generation that is totally isolated and on their phone end, that's the them. Millennials have happened. Half they haven't lived, half a life with out all that technology and half with. So they are not the ones that are even Jonathan height when he came on. He made the district distinction. He's a lot. Millennials rob We want frustrates you shouldn't be a millennium. Think millennials should be anyone born for two
Elsa they knew millennia. That I know is that you get a guy in the Symantec somewhere on the way back home. I wanna call me the Falcon nineteen hundred. I agree. I don't really get why ok rubs got some. Ninety ninety one. Ninety ninety six is millennial right, so stupid, but I think maybe it's because I know It's because when the millennium changed over, this group was young fish that's very vigorous adulthood around the turn of the twenty first century, I am at this man, don't you like the idea of them, but the ones that were born after the new millennium yeah? I mean what I dont, like is play my brother and I are in the same group and I don't like that's what I thought to be my brothers and ninety six of genetic someone or my brother, and I are sixty five to seventy nine bomb
I'm genetics and my brothers? He sixty nine and seventy five core Kosovo anyway. Millennials you're doing great you're a good job, and you worked really hard on him before generations. The baby yeah That's my mom, my mom to plan the silent generation. His twenty said afford is a long time now we don't know any those people in my dad Twond ease at what twenty eight forty five you know sporty. Forty five specified brother is too is on the cards be about humanely is on the other. Your time I your adrenal glance. You said that he, your doktor, said it was important for moon stabilization nor up enough friend, adrenaline improve
energy and attentiveness, so that would be the mood partly you're talking about, but it's a boat, the hormone Anna Brain Neuro transmitter Orkut Oh, it's mainly stored in the neurons nerve cells of the sympathetic nervous system, with small amount also stored in a drain on tissue which lay on top of your kidneys. So maybe you have some in other places, but I don't think I want for attention don't feel like I'm unfocused and you have energy yeah. I mean a mile or two caffeine, nicotine stop, I'm supplementing maybe anyway, that's all. That's all you river bloodline, learn to see what's happening in your brain. When I get a blood work done at the doktor to hear or physical ideal irae, I should be better that everyone should do that. I think that's really important to do. Maybe we should make their part of their employ package here that we bring
doctor in Aragon. Helping go anywhere. Toby was a full body scanners and take our black spit mecca pv cough some coffee, all hell hole the lobby, while an ice nods have turned the left. Car he's gonna be weighing my beards Shari, Moldova has only fair if I had to bear like fire to give a real bad. I bet you, while we wives testicles way more than mine, ok, we'll based on one end. Thank you. I'm not positive yeah. What you sure he's got youth on his side. I would say youth would make it last night again fall of a spurt genetic material yeah, very interesting. What I love I love you and in Iraq we really light, nay, being I would love to talk to her again maintains a nice person. Yeah, ok. Can I can I
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