Well well well, armed acts were John Shepherd OWN joined by Monica paddle and learn from Sedona Arizona where instead Jonah Arizona, the vote tat their real motherfuckers, the energy for taxes are real, late in the middle of the street in the middle of the night, not when I would recommend doing, but we did it and it was desert, though, let me add middle of the night, the stars were bang- could see. Jupiter you could see Saturn and Mars, at the end of an eye, and also the milky way was on a full display. Its been incredible, really incredible. We are so excited today to break an upcoming artist, tat his person so talented, you ve never heard of them, and we are so honoured to introduce America to this young chap named John Legend. John D action and legit correct, Sir John, the legend, although you're just now hearing them for the first time he is an eagle which we will talk about

in length which means he has won in Emmy a Grammy, an Oscar in a tony in he's, the only blackmailed of ever become and he got it the youngest eager, he's one of only fifteen YE gods, I believe our possibly say he's the sexiest he's fucking. Definitely the sexiest. I fell in love with among get lifted to does VOR and, of course, once again, two thousand six any said just a ton of great music. Ever since He has a new album that is phenomenal. After the interview I downloaded, and I can't stop listening to its called bigger love, bigger law is out now, and you should definitely add it to your cue please and joy. Joy legend: we are so by rain rain, Monica we're home more than usual these days, but it still hard to keep a close eye on things. More deliveries means more boxes left on, attended and more opportunities for packages to go missing and we're on vacation right now. Thank God. We have rang. Yazzi can watch our package situation, that's right,

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The seamless fade as I have right now. I see you guys guys. So when I was reading But you are about MID westerners right you're in Ohio boy. Yes, I'm from sprinkling Ohio, you're one of four Seeing that mom and dad both musical right dad drums sang in kind of ran the church choir. Yes, grandma played the organ. Yes, ok, now my family wasn't doing stuff, but I was in a Baptist church every other Sunday when I visit my grandparents. I was thinking when I was learning this about you. How many armed be artist started in the church, o a huge percentage. Its huge right as it so formative for your musical upbringing and it's so musical and if you think about all the other places in your life for a lot of kids were mused when taken away, you look at the schools in and other places where people just don't have access to as much music as they used to the charge is one of them.

Places where you can still be exposed to a lot of music and music, particularly the black charges. So central to the experience the army singers are always. The company at all, my band members grew up laying in charge. So it's very much like a finishing school for musicians. You don't even have to go to school. If you ve played in church for most of your youth you're ready to go out there and play well one thing, as I kind of started panicking cause, I'm in eighth Yes, obnoxious, Lee outspoken about it. I thought all I gotta be careful because we could lose if there's no time where this incredible breeding ground for all this great arm becomes from, and I'm not religious, any more, but I grew up in it and I can imagine me being a musician without having that upbringing and so yeah like, if I'm not taken my daughter to cherish alike She even be able to learn is that Brazil, we gotta like encourage another option.

These for those that are being raised by hedonistic, secular as long ago. As the other thing I was fascinated in is Monica This is the part where you're gonna really really get thrilled so John, was home schooled. Yes up till high school ass, he had skip the greater in that process like that, which is that begs the question. My mom just decide that, like now he's in fifth grade, how does it out as one move up in homes going? Well, you really do it in homes going by whenever you go back to the general population and your mom is like he's too smart for this great I thought and then in areas like it does. So let me tell you order of how it happened. I was basically home school through kindergarten. By the time I was supposed to go to first grade my mama's radio put me into this christian school in our home town called Springfield Christian School.

And she took me to the school and said my son's too smart for first grade so she had them. Give me a test to see what re levels I should be a and I tested like third and fourth grade level for a lot of the stuff that I was tested on. But of course they were gonna. Put me in thirty four three that happen. As I said they put me in second grade when I was the age of my first great peers and then after two years at the christian school we couldn't afford it. So they brought me back home so forth. Fifth and sixth grade I was at home and the mafia has got divorced, and so that kind of thing perhaps go situation and they took me to our local public middle school and I was Nino theoretically supposed to seventh grade at that. Celebrate what have been your head, but then they have tested again and they put me in April.

Here, like a guy you're like a lab experiment. Let's just get worse as the eighth grade at the age of eleven, I start high school. No, no! No! This is a terrible idea. Can I say great idea: terrible idea is cut through at that age. You can't be around fourteen year old boys when you're eleven exactly I agree. I agree so It turned out fine, but devil. It was a challenge, and I wouldn't want to put my kid here: did you get fucked with by the older boys? you know they used to call me. Dougie, and now is my mine, the one the thing about. It was my own. Oh brother run was with me and we were in the same great at that point up almost run in better now, our aim is actually you know he could have been a lot worse about it because you could see and be more jealous, unlike of said that his brother caught up with him in

and these two years younger, but he was like right jobs that is ridiculous is not so? my brother was always there with me, and he took care of me make sure nobody mess with me. So I was good he's Iceman protective it was crazy about me and my brother. You know this war has told me my older brother, I've been closed and literally the I was born. We were in the newspaper together because You know they have normal birth announcements by the newspaper, a story on the fact that my brother was the first sibling that was allowed to come to the hospital to their new I'm at the hospital where the sibling could be there. Ah, what baby was born in and that this new thing, and so they took picture my brother and me at the hospital together? we ve been together. Through everything and starting with the first day when I was there, that's crazy to clearly mom thought. You were God's gift:

The planet I am, I am- I thought I was coming to plant, which is a double edged sword. One aspect is, like God, bless that woman she made me think I could do anything and the weight. Of that was a little cumbersome. It's definitely a of pressure and especially when your parents get divorce because you feel like you have to everybody together and I think, I'm always kind of the mediator between any argument of any group of friends at I'm a fighter because- the middle child. My parents got away and I was always like the star kid size, but like had to be there to like fix all the problems. After everything was ok. What did me They play a role now, while music was, I can escape from me and had another function for me. Because being this no nerdy twelve year old, going to high school, the one thing that mainly supercool was that I could say and if I had that, like my high school years, probably been

very thankful, think music was a thing that made made me connect other people, made me come out of my shell socially maybe I'm a doctor to girls when I otherwise would have had no game all your girls, you know I think music was that thing for me that just help me navigate allow social circumstances where otherwise out have been hopeless. Yeah How did you get girls? I mean that's a huge age. I do I didn't start getting burdens like my junior year. Ok, let's go. Our people to get to know me to get a little order of priority. A girl, like town put you

be really needs to be. Do yours younger than most girls in ice. Go! Oh, what a guy odor the GNOME yards a guy! There eight is like the minimum thousand Brazil guides years. Younger is like what, get away as a non starter for, and I think, a lotta gales. Ok, so you did great in high school and then you go into Harvard you gotta scholarship to George Town, yet you chose to go to University of Pennsylvania. What why was that well, it's also an Ivy league school, very highly regarded, so It was no job you're this limit or any more US gave me a better scholarship offer than Harvard, and we needed every cent we can get. And fill it out. It was a little closer because I was driving back and forth from school, so I just felt like it made more sense financially for us and unjust lifestyle eyes and it ended up being way

for me musically because I end in Philadelphia and anybody knows anything about what was going on in Philadelphia. At that moment. This is in the middle aged nineties, everything. You know. We call NEO, solar, sorrowful, hip, hop so much It was happening in Philadelphia at that moment. So the it's where there they were doing these open. Might you know Erika Baidu would come down the annual overcome the down common will come to town and then all these brown talents I just got and by allowing the roots and music soldier Don't you dare leave out HOLLAND out holidays gamble and have, of course, from Philadelphia Teddy Telegraph? So how much music has come from fairly there's a whole called the sound of Philadelphia and there's a studio. We record I got Sigma and All of those elements are being but Althea were really important to my musical career and, I don't think I would have about anything like that in Boston. So picking can overheard was a good choice for me

become the musician that I am as well be ass. Although you could have invented Facebook, we just don't we will no doubt do now. We interviewing you for a whole reason. Now you, Lauren Hill, while you are in college yes, so I was During the day. Of course, I was going to school, but on a and I was playing at a charge in Scranton Pennsylvania Scranton is without famous for being the fictional home of the August. The fourth Yes, Joe buys from there as well, but at the time I go up there every weekend and play for this, and that was how I helped pay my bills. In school, I've got a little salary from the church, it would be the choir there and play the piano there and one of the choir members as a woman named Terror Michel and she had grown up North Jersey and the same area that Barnhill grew up and she like my friend, lorries workin on her album, do you wanna go the studio in check it out, I wonder to meet you,

and learn had already have you success with the score with the food cheese, and everyone was anticipate in her going solo, and so I'm like yeah, of course, I'll go. So. I go to visit the studio lines working on a song with a few musicians of producers, with her during one of their breaks, my friend are the line you gotta hear my friend John, I play the piano and saying oh, my gosh, as does that make you terrified or you like. Let's do it rarely has like me sit down, you don't do it, and so I said later: I see you under song and original asylum. I and she was I wanna- do work on this song that we're doing right now, so I play the piano on everything. Is everything track? Thirteen on the message as long as it is known as a lorry, and this is like my claim event and by the way are audition

during the answer, I would have dropped out of school of pseudo hired me for the turing then, but she didn't so I got a degree when doctors senior year of school, and I claim the family was I'm on tractor. The outcome that everyone listening to us closer Israel that is great and it's kind of comes a theme in your life over the years you get introduced to people at different times in you you fit in. I wonder if you are aware of your strategy or how you approach things, because I was thinking you end up, meaning Kenya, which becomes pivotal as well. I would a problem. We ve been trying to big dog at her some than I would have I had at length. I would have thought the Lauren thing of Laurent Hell. I would again like I'm going to try to make loves her out my focus has was right there. I would have thought the whole thing up. Are you just deferential the people when you meet them? Are you slope why you come in kind of com sure angle. I am a good collaborator and I think I start out with humility when I enter to our collaborators situation

Obviously now, when I'm writing with courageous, hey there. Junior they may there there like excited they did they get the right with me yeah, but I still apply with humility I go in there, thinking You know they may have a better idea than I might have less work together and see what we're gonna come up with together. So approach, their Lord Hills situation like that. When I worked with Kenya, we were both kind of it similar place in our lives, so it wasn't like he was way up here and I was down here. He was up and coming producer and Ireland. The coming artists and I even though he was trying to wrap to, but I found that out and we were both China, record. We were just you know: we ve forgotten help each other out- and I met him through my college room, a guy named hares and demanding Cartier cousins, so my car for me, we were living together in New York as well, and he was I

Oh, my cousin just moved here, he's working with J C honest. He was on a blueprint which we out was about it now it has come out here- and he was you know on the as for becoming a really sought after producer, but not yet, and so as I view as you ride together, and so we started rang again. You know it's great about that approaches. Unlike a job, let's say, you're a surgeon. Right or your a engineer. Doesnt actually require inspiration, but when you're an artist inspirations like I don't know what percent it is a bit right, but you ve got some everything. You got your skill set, but that doesn't mean shit. You might have a ferrari, but that inspirations the gas. It could sit there right so aberration. This young person might provide that or I might provide that yeah. Exactly and that's why I think you have to be a really generous and open.

Collaborator when you're working on our because the idea can come from anybody and you try to keep interesting. Like collaborators around. You and be open that they may A better idea than you may have and that you together is better than either view separately yeah. It's also worth saying that they you it seems so far I have a pattern of just saying he was using the two like come eat, my cousin, who just moved here from Chicago like an old man. I'd rather go eat me, oh yeah, I like most people would be, like sure, sure sure and then not follow up is the result of following up or saying yes, sticking out there and that's what the things. I always tell my managers when it comes to light then booking session with me with riders, I'm like theirs. Was no one. I won't right with as long as you know, at a certain you know as a minimum,

Langen right! Let me anytime you want, then that you don't have a couple credits or whatever, but I use you just say yes, because who knows like? I truly don't know. What's going on in that room and sometimes They may not even get me that many ideas, but just one little seed thing, but they give me spurs me to write the horrors of the song and it works. We have to be open, ideas and I think saying no just means you sealing off inspiration- yeah. Ok, so you graduate from pen Here's another similarity and I want to brag but he's magnitude Howdy Arab LAO Hand, isn't that incredible? Really incredible! I am summa by you. I know you're good at school as you and I went out our whole neutralize at all about the same power deduct a little bit of a lot of guys. I was counting at this everyone's doing great. You graduate that's impressive

your majors and English than specifically african american literature, and I thought normally when you bring that up, but I thought in this time right now that we're kind of really attempting to educate ourselves. If you have to give us Threec, as you would now toilets three books that people should check out. That would really help stand the perspective. Experience was rather saying as interesting, because when you studying the shoe, you do a lot of fiction. So reading Tony Morrison is like she's one of the gods of fiction, writing and she's also from Ohio, which makes me very proud so deftly red, tony Morrison, but I also think right now. I think it is good to read them nonfiction as well to try to undergo the history and the context around the conversations that we're being now. I was just at reading about real estate in the history of discrimination against black and brown. People real estate cell reading the color of law being really helpful. If you want to understand that issue- and you know some

Realtors were beaten with me that I called out the practice of steering and not showing black people certain properties, because you don't want them in certain neighbourhood and they felt like us being out of pocket by saying Of course, I wouldn't saying all of them were doing it, but it's a significant enough issue that needs to be dealt with and if read the color of law and also in New York They dated a really big expos, a about a certain long island, where they were doing that that helps you stand part of what's happening in this country, because so much was happening is due to years of segregation. So the idea that there black neighborhoods, their ghettos that their hoods, the fact that even exists in our parliaments and in the way we even think about society- is government policy. It was read mining, it was banks refusing to land

certain people and it was realtors refusing to show property in certain neighborhoods two black and brown people, and so when you look at the wealth gap that is still persist. It now most Americans well is their home. They feel discriminated against in the home buying process you not able to accumulate wealth from your home, then that literally almost completely explains the wealth gap right now, and so I think it important. If we're gonna talk about these issues now we need to understand the contacts have how we got there and that's why people talk about reparations alot of their talk. Noone about slavery. It's about this home you we were denied for decades because of government policy and realtors actions in banks. Actions ya think we're a lot of folks

It was just easier, more convenient for them. Nego, like oh slavery, ended problem saw they really. You know through some fault of their own, in some not fault of their own. They don't learn about reconstruction; they don't learn red line now learn about Jim Crow. They learn about the industrial prison complex. They don't they don't realize how much stuff to your point, it's happening right now makes me immediately think of that brilliant career rock, where like in his neighborhood. It's you know huge mansions. In his neighborhood. Mary J lives there, and I don't. I forget what athlete and in him any like so marriage

I want the best singers of all time this guide West point out about. I mean best comedian of all time, my neighbors and average dentist overly average. Where do you want to live in the neighbourhood of black? You better be one of the best at something were a lot of white people start with a cushion like their family, has a nasty they have a home. They have land that all these things, and I think they just think that this is a I'm part of life, but that so don't know, policy too, there were literally laws that gay people free land or gave them interest free love and then ITALY excluded black. We will run it is it. It was intentional. It wasn't just an accident of fate and love, so I just want. Understand all those things when they're talking about the current situation, because the current situation is steeped in

this year's of history and and discrimination and segregation plays out in our school. That's why our schools or segregated, because of this same residential segregation. That's why the police, target certain areas because they know the black and brown people live because they form the live in that area, and so the these things are related to each other, and so we have to understand the foundations if we're ever going to dismantle these systems that have been so oppressor. Yet, if you don't ask the question in your ear just observing present day as a human year, just the results of all this? Yet so you are not seeing causality at all. That's kind of hard to track down and in people should take a minute to do that. Ok, those are three, I don't even know. If I gave you three, I've got it so innovations whole body of work is break out of the blue ass. I saw the Solomon Beloved, so that's three

there, but I had a color of law, I would say the New GM pro by Michel Alexander, I would say just mercy by Brian Stevenson. These are all good books. I just was reading a book called the chokehold, as by former prosecutor, is a black prosecutor whose come out from the other side and is basically saying we should dismantle the prison jail system policing system because he seen how They metaphorically arch I'll call on other black community, so I think I was an interesting book as well yeah. I was just happened to be like mid state fail me last week, and the town I was in was a town of one of the California state prisons, and it was Normous and I was driving by and I got to say of course I know I think the number something around like six million americans- Our surrender, whenever I am aware of the scale of it, but I don't know e prisons. I live in LOS Angeles and I got obligation places that prison. So I was looking at this fuckin.

Monolith monstrosity in our emulated hit me in a way that a member say it hit me like so wait, that's just a cement box that were keeping people and we put a shitload of people on the cement box in that's that, that's our best solutions. Are you kidding me? I will really hit me and I was yet embarrass. I dont think about more and it's interesting physical strategy around, where we put presence because with separate them from cities, so your distance from your family since from most of the people in the state, so they never. It. So one of my friends uses the word. We disappear people because basically out of sight and add a mine and so you're able to go. Your daily life and allay- and I answered without even thinking about it now and then the

small towns, their entire economy, is built around the fact that a prison is there. So they have a stake in us, incarcerating as many people as possible, because that means job. That means more for their economy and was interesting in a lot of state. They get those prisoners counted toward their population. Get more federal money, so they get more representation, more federal money. Even though those prisoners often I'll get a rights above as part of that, and so weird incentive structure for the small. Community, like like a stir, However, these towns are in of one year, all around the country that how's the prisons and there's a whole economy built around it and incentive structure to keep it in place for jobs and to support this infrastructure in this area. Meanwhile, the state, local governments, tons of money on prisons in jails fan.

These are being destroyed. Families are being separated and prisons effective at reforming people. Now not people worse. When you look at it as a system right as a system, we had this guy and he said it so simply in it so accurate. Whatever result, your currently looking at is the result of a perfectly design system to cry that resolve their work very well, they're working at all times and is not broken its not broke in that's the fucking result of this system is perfectly designed to create this outcome and you are right when you incentivize incarceration for community, I'm not hate non. The committee that once the money Ababa, but let's think of incentives that are productive and drive the narrative, Ford and light we ve been talking about with the defined the police movement all of these systems. A lot of money and they are a choice. So whenever you spend it on one thing, you Fine, I demand a tax money and you have the balls of budget every year if your state, so

anytime you spending on one thing, you're necessarily precluding that same money from being spent on something else. And so every time we make that choice for more policing, more jails, more presents. It means we can spend it on healthcare. We can spend it on schools, we can spend, on Pre K for all these young people, which is proven to reduce their livelihoods, commit crime, increases there prediction in all these positive outcomes come from Pre Kay spending the money on it now we can afford it, but we can afford more police. So when people Talking about divined the police the saying is not that there will be. Your police, ever there saying list in way less money on this, so we can, Where did on that, while prevention worth you know here, Values are the quote cure and it's a unsympathetic to them is

it's too much also when people here defined, they think right. They get scared. I'm scared, wait! No more title want want to get mugged, blah blah. What you dont recognizes the amount of calls at their responding to the police that are for a mental health issue that they are not in any way trained are equipped to deal with, nor should they be asked to there. You know you free up some money from the police department. We can. Actually. Have a response team that specializes in the mental health disorders at almost folks are dealing with. You know you want to see. It is now increasingly absurd that our entire emergency response system two people, either an ambulance fire department or someone who vote handcuffs on you. That's the only tool has an and, like you said before, prevention was think about all these other things. We could spend a mine as ways of making the overall for a social problems go down before we can get to that point. Yells. It helps people if they're doing with addiction issues helps people

if they do in mental health issues, but also helps early on in life, so they have a great start so there they have hope for their future. They believe it go out and get a job and contributes to society people what to do running from the law that I do not know what to wreak havoc on society? Most people actually just wanna, be happy. Take care their family live a safe, healthy, productive life, and if we put more what a position to do that then we won't need as many police anywhere and so when people say they envision a future without police what they're really saying is then vision of a future where we reduce the number societal problems down so much that we won't need so many police. Yes, I was saying this to a buddy yesterday I was like ok so that Lapd's, like a six billion dollar budget. I think someone around there might imagine you love two billion off and you put it into the school system.

In literally laws angels had the best school system in the world. You really think the graduation rates not going to change. You really think the analogy admissions. Isn't I mean? How could you think that that that wouldn't be possible, yeah and I, like you, said about homelessness. Like Ellie has a huge almost this problem. So would you want to send a cop the lock these guys up and move em off the street? Just because you know it doesn't look cool. You want to actually provide housing for them. How about we find a way to help these folks? Some of them are veterans. It happy tears. In a mental health issues about we help them and find a place in them alive. Will you please to do that and let's have a pie in the sky. Real lofty goal like let's give people purpose when people with purpose are fulfilled in oh yeah, had motivation, one year ago, we figured it out, we think, are under way figure us three figured it out

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I listened to your first album get lifted the whole ride on repeat and then every day worked at Joliet prison and I would pull into the prison in the little dark where they look under your car and everything, and then I to talk to you, no state prison guards right. So I gotta say Eight mornings in a row I showed up in this dude was aegis. Wasn't super excited to see me and he didn't want to deal with these four actors at the prisoner, but unlike nine of this I'm just inside the windows up other certain under the car and I'm listening to you to to get lifted and the dude knocks on my window and I wrote down, he would you know John Ledge and I go as guy. I know every word and every verse is our right man our eye and then that nude and I got along so well for a six weeks at this prison. But it was his life beautiful moment, and then I also I romance to that,

album, and then I started my wife this morning. We about just talk about which we live do as I was not the same romance? it was. It was like this. You can like this, I'm Tellin ya, like I'm, really excited I'm gonna interview, John Legend she's, like and we just gotta sat there for me like. We are remembering that those first to albums- and I go we both love affairs right to that album, not with each other. Just like oh yeah, I had one two and as its the best as interesting. It's the best. Once again for me, was the real love affair PDA. I must listen PDA on RP, making out three hours. Ass. Well say that when once again was the more romantic love and the first hour had a little bit everything cuz. I had some cheating size in an ordinary people stay you know how to add a ring, but what again. It was more like romantic. I always a man in like, being wine in the south of France to wants it, or do you know,

something like that, and so that was a vibe for the second album and it's always First thing when I meet fans that say once again as their favorite album, I feel like a special connection with them, because the easy answers as egg it lifted, because you know it was my first comment. It is allowed people to me, and it got a lot of words and did well all the good stuff, but when I make them love once again. If I oppose special bond with him, I'm still sitting to dance with my daughter's all the times that album I mean I want to kiss you underneath. Stars. I gave the hills just think they were all my god. Maybe I will go far John. I don't know we just don't you don't now. Ok, so now I have horrendous history of cheating, fuckin, deplorable, no girl like me at all an elementary school I got to junior high. My brother gave me a different hair cut. I started skateboarding also,

these older girl started like me and I I couldn't ever say. No. If I had a girl at any attend to any approval from a beautiful girl, I had to have it at all: costs and there's all these great cheating songs and your help. I'm gonna have a like. I see another fishermen at sea, so I'm assuming you. It wasn't a total character in your music. So you must have some history who achieving- and I am curious have you for yourself, what is the cause? Eighty of that, why Yes, I did have a history of it that way. Twenty years. I think would happen for me personally is you got through a lot of your life like you're teens were when I was like that two years younger than everybody get in high school in college, and so I just did a lot of girls when I was younger and when I started to get that attention like I love Why did I escaped,

technically cheating by a kind of keeping my relations if ill defined, but it was really cheating. Fine, you can you try to get off on technicalities? Love. You say your honor. If you read the agreement yields he yielded you'll find I am not in breach of this contract, it depends over. The definition is, is doubly, was designers and selfish and just enjoy. This new attention. I was getting and it was happening before I was famous, but when I was kind of on my way in us on the road with colony. Aus. Oh just getting more attention and more opportunities to see lots of different girls, and you know I took advantage of that at that time but then at a certain point you don't like your happier being honest, your happier being

faithful and being in love with one person and at some point I just decided that that person was crazy, knows. Just decided. I wasn't, I wasn't gonna massive anybody else anymore and is so much easier, lighter yeah you, your whole life is lighter like when you are To be honest, with the person, and unlike you, are hiding text, it's a big energy soccer. I really does, and in you your mind is freer, like everything is better, so obviously people have to get to that. And had to realise at the prisoner with is a person that they're ready to do that for once you figure it out itself ring yeah yeah, and so I guess. I then learned today that you had been with crazy. You ve known for a long time longer than me. You know when you got me: and then you write that beautiful song. All of me, you say it's about her. It was a long courtship. So what

it was Lucy Goosey, and then you just kept circling back to like now. This is it It was only lose for a little while we talk about before, but we had sex the first night, yeah. It are we hit it off the first night, We are both seeing other people at the time, and so there was a kind of a looseness at the baby, getting what we fell in love, not long after that it was probably like the summer of seven where we would like full on, like it love with each other and stop dating other people, not long after that Now I get a million sweets and instagram messages, and you us for our generally together in these tweets, like four relationship goals, where's I've seen you guys losers relations like junk resists gear, Emily. I think I see a few times a shower. There's a few couples like that: the more going to put Jason Bianti, unlike another. That's all there.

See, that's that's ever now. Do you feel the pressure that I feel the pressure that a little bit when there's people that look up to our relationship? And I am honest about my background and I think I could blow this whole thing up. It certainly something I've done while now the whole world's watching. There's a stress about that, for me, I will like it almost makes it even less likely that would do anything to fuck it up because, unlike crazy, has like an army, show me in twitter. Followers like, if to do anything like a big career suicide, maybe terrible because this gives you another reasons and not fuck it up. Well, what I always say is like an ailing get busted immediately to there's no I seen who America's again aside, that you're going with Chris Thin and I'm I'm dead

a non grata is like. I never existed, suicidal I'm not trying to do This is really really incredible and I dont even care about awards, but I I gotta say: I'm I'm blown away by the self. You know Johns and eager. Not only is John John is one of only fifteen. You got in the world. I am curious when you got me other three or four realise fuck him. Up an Emmy like was it you did across from I like I gotta go closes thing now because I respected. If you did, it was this, has to wait, for some people might not know their rights and eager is an enemy, a Grammy, an Oscar in a tone. It's almost impulse. I can't will only fifty people of every whole time of life. Ok, so tell me about like when it occurs, do you like Oceana three, these well

do. I have a production company and two of my words have come as a producer that mean the Tony, and so when we were getting close and we had won the Tony cuz we produce the play on Broadway Called jitney. It was a revival of an August Wilson Play and we were like ocean. Like we could have an he got, so you can't live. Say well, let's go get the eager uses delight, try to do really good projects and then hope do you know they get a word and NBC resolved to us and said we're thinking. Doing our next ally, musical ass Jesus Christ, superstar and literally wasn't thing about the whole anything when they asked me to do. It is one I figured out of these. Musicals have not gone so well. They are hit or miss no expectation that I, as an actor we get nominated for him because, like why would I? But you know you get

averages, cry superstar, it's pretty big role is Jesus Christ. The fact that most people part of ad, and they allowed us to be producers as well and help with no passing the rest of the cast and helping with the music and all the things that needed to happen. So we were like we rehearsing rehearse into the shell and saw well like all the Rick said it was great fans love. It was like truly very success. For more than we could have dream and then people are like. The jet talking about. Are you guys, get some Emmy nomination and then a lot of the press became around O John. They get the eager I got to get it same day as too, litter alleges Andrew Lloyd, wherever and TIM Rise- and we got it at the same moment, because we were producers on Jesus Christ. Why amazing, so there

well before that day, and we were thirteen fourteen and fifteen. You guys devalued. The whole thing is, I wanted. The market would look out. Ok, so now near album. I downloaded this morning. Thank you, The album is called bigger, love and I will a year as they get lifted once again, then I feel like a lot of bans that felt like the next You always were enough like that. To them are saying that this is giving them that If they once again get, I feel like you will this album at more than you ve liked my last couple, I'm guessing by the way have liked all of it. No, I don't I'm telling you yourself are contains it, but you know, as you can tell if I liked your first to albums and I loved Van hot, I dislike the sexy stuff

I love the sexy stuff. I was red listening to it this morning. To be honest, and I was thinkin. You know sometimes that an age Ynez our times change, as I is some others sexy stuff gonna like tip and am I know it's perfect it sexy in it's not a meaning in any way. It's that Raby. You don't love him is it now is, is a little rapid doesn't hold up quantity and yours years has not been able through time you're gonna, like bigger love alike, I think it's actually probably the most central album I've done is doubly some good. If you're inclined to make corona babies, I think good sound shark without moment in your life, also got a lot of those elements you loved about get lifted. Some hip hop inflections and interpretations and is really soulful I think you're gonna dig, it is executive produced by rapacity. Actually, so that's a nice bonus

to have him in my life and be able to work with him on this. Give collaborated with so many people. The other person I worship is daisy. We we brought him up. On another day I run into I wanna hear about that, but I am. I Daisy found myself. It's not possible that a human you can do what he does it just is it's like he's dead, he so good. Yet you what's a documentary I am in a jam, will any does it have run around twelve, and it was right song in his head- I'm ready to get into the both in any throws down those things in their the fuckin. References are so eclectic its seamless. He is phenomenal, I'm ever seeing the document, but also saying and on sixty minutes and like other shows where he just let the boy and on his creator process and stunning any just so good at it and has been so good for so long, yeah, ok, again and then

The other thing I want to say is like you, ve got this amazing give, which is. You could be a technically perfect singer right, but if you're gifted with some tone, this tone of yours, which is so beautiful- and you can't really train for that right. It's That's your vows or Kenya, and there are things you can do. I like, I still take vocal coaching part of my vote. Fishing is around damn and making sure I can be better on tour, but I've. Better as singing I think, over the years to. As far as just says, aiming my bride and sustaining the tone. But my town The one thing that you have it's pretty much what you have you, no guy gave its ear or whatever you believe about who gave it to you. You habits and It's the thing that it's hard to replicate it's hard to teach. You can teach people how to make the most of its own, but. Always tone and, as you know, as a coach on the voice? Literally that's the thing on this.

For the most is this town special. Is it there's a gimme jails? There's a move me is interesting. Is it ass the is it coup in any, as does it have a fingerprint is my wife and I ll fight loves musical theatre? No, my I dont, really love at everyone sounds like a computer could sing it's like the notes. I get it they're getting hit perfectly all that stuff, but where's the fingerprint. You need their character. The best artists in the best singers, are the ones that have the character in a voice. Ok, so with all that said, who did you call back? no, like, ok out on your album. Now, it's time to head over my way you work with any artisans oh well, I did that once surgeon there's a martyr that never worked with before there on the apple one's name is is now mine and its one, and I think, the better songs on the hour woman, a lot of people's favorite is called You move, I move and then there's

partisan, never worked with before there on the apple one's name is rhapsody. Asia wrapper from North Carolina. She made a beautiful island last year called Eve, and I loved it. Is it my line for you that you can follow love with an album and you are in a position in life. Ringo are now. I did I'd love that I'm gonna get myself involved like I'm going to share that now it would have fucking like the money right, all the other stuff that you thought was going to be awesome. It's it's great whatever, but isn't that the fucking magic that you can interact with people you love Making other music is still the most fun part of my career, and when I get to do it with really interesting, talented people, it's just a magical and when we do something in it, find out right, and you know we do a lot of ideas that don't come out great, like I wrote fifty songs for this album and some of them aren't that good and-

and you know they're fine, but they're, not that good. But when you get it right and you work with somebody really cool that you can share that joy with it's really exciting. And sometimes I've listened to albums and said. I really want to work that artists and was able to make it happen. I listen to the Alabama shakes album sound and color alot of sound and color a few years ago, and as I who produce this thing- and I call him Blake Mills up who produced the whole thing and asked him to produce when it novel and we work together when examined darkness alive, and so You know, I think it's a good thing and you're right, it's a nice privilege to be able to have that when you the music and you love something you can just call the person up say. Do some more that the air and so we had a rhapsody on this album. We have Gary Clog Junior on this album, We have coffee on this item as well, she's a new Jamaican, reggae, dance hall artists who just because

the first female and the youngest Grammy award, whenever best reggae album that's great. What is your creative processing said? Jazzy can spread out a whole song in thirty seconds, I guess and when we had gone a fine and she said one time Chris Martin ran to the piano and you know I know on every time? But have you had that experience? Oh yeah, so a lot of my sons combo quickly or at least the bulk of it comes very quickly. I may need to spend more time like tweaking the lyrics. But a lot of it comes really quickly. So what usually? Bins, is amusing, the room with one or two other people, and maybe that person He's a guitar may that persons are producer that kind of makes tracks. Maybe that person just another lyricist are what we call top line writer. The top line is basically the line that the vocalist things than a song is composed of the top line and all the music around it. The career progression,

structure of the song. So there's really two or three of us in a room and another top lie writer or me in another musician. That will help me what the accompaniment and we just sit there and we start jam and a lot of times and with all of me, it was his me and Toby get in the room, he's a producer and musician. He also rights lives as well, but I I wrote more than lyric and we just sat in a room, and I had an idea to write the song about my wife soon to be white at the time and money and it is suggested I listen to she's. Always a woman by Georgia is a really good song as well, but she said you're right. Something in that vein. You know that kind of song about crazy, and I was likely the strike out today. Will Toby because Toby the kind of right or that I felt like we could do that together. You know here and some cool size in the past, and so we sat down at the piano. I just started playing things and then at once,

sighted saying all mean, as all of you feel like it could be a good night title and you know lyrical concept and I was trying to find the music around that line that made them a sense and eventually play around again along enough many of you know down down down down. You don't know, that's going to be here now, bone bound above you just keep working on it. I figured out- So a lot of my sons started scouting, because I don't that BOM Bonbon BOM above is yet, but I know Equally, that's what I wanted to sound like. And eventually I figure out where it should say so Almost every song is basically music leading to scan here we have an original kind of look concept, but building

a song around that before I know at the resolutions are and then finally, the lyrics come, isn't so cool that you created that song out of something so personal, and then people hear it and that becomes their song with their partner and that's the song it their wedding in it that has its own life and then some it's like we in fact kiss quality of music ill guy uniform. I think it's gotta be the highest. Are like people, you don't couples, don't have movies, they don't have. They don't have books, they got music. Does what couples have families have, but I listened Fleetwood macro, like all my mom's, in a good mood cleaning when I'm a kid that's when they observe that such a guy, Do you give the world- and I it's probably a lot to take in, but it really is, I am grateful that I'm able to do it and, like I said it, gives me so much joy to be able to do it when it's right as just a magical feeling and

We had a lot of those feelings of magic making this album and so on. This happy it's out now and he booking and enjoy the things that we put so much joy into. So you ve had different levels of productivity. I curious like sometimes you go five years between an elm, sometimes you'll go just. I don't know what your last out was thirty. In both for bigger love, yap, so Darwinism light came out in twenty sixteen, ok and then I did a Christmas item, twenty eighteen and deluxe version of that in twenty nineteen. So even when it's kind of like a gap, I'm never stopping cause, I'm like doing something so there the gap between evolve or which was away and love in the future, which was twenty three seen, but I did a problem with the roots and twenty ten, so that kind of was in that gap as well. So, looks like the longer I'm. Never stopping, ok, eggs, I was gonna wonder, is- is comfort an enemy of creative inspiration

in that I never have stopped area like I'm- about to take the three weeks of just a chill a family about when I come back when we back the work we gotta do too ways and then I'll probably start writing more songs and in the far so I never somberly. Ok, how as having kids, reshaped your identity, or do you feel like the things you cared about before have been right. Sized well obviously takes over as a major priority and you. We spend more time at home. You want to be more present for them. You want to make sure you're a big part of their lives. You wanna help your partner also is working in doing all these amazing things in her own career, It also makes you I didn't think about the future, a lot more. As far as like the kind of world you want, you can live in and so

I dont like when people say well now that I have a daughter, I'm a more of a feminist are now that I have this year about, but you do think more about the world that they're going to enter, and so I think as meaningful and then You take certain jobs. You know that maybe you might not have been his excited to take otherwise like that in the voice means I gotta be homework right. It means I don't. The tourist much and I make as much it being in a leg whence universal studios and coaches new artist on the voice, and so that is a choice. I might have made if our single and have no, but it is made a lot more like a slam. Dunk over me now time is time is, is is so much more part of every decision than it has six years ago exactly. But another though I think I just want to say, was like a good idea, which is again say, I'm shocked or disappointed in anyone.

Certainly not, but I was very proud to see you and our Kelly Documentary bigger than that comes with a great risk that I dont know if people know the history of- and I think it is relevant to say this country has a really bad history of defaming black artists, black leaders I mean, but you know, the FBI was following Martin Luther King and recording him at all times. So there is, there is an appropriate level of the black community, protecting its own envy Suspect of accusations. Are there that, as you know, there is a very good reason for that absolutely and we always have to mines, because you know we don't, to see sexual abuse happen, but we also don't want to see people being falsely, accused and people being caught. In a criminal justice system that was built to contain and destroy us. So when an issue like this is presented, you just have to weigh those concerns ever me. It was abundantly clear

that these women were telling a really credible story. There was a huge volume of these women that have been put an abusive situations by this man, and I had very close friends who have been activists in Chicago who deal with rape, victims, young black girls in Chicago and that's like the whole thrust of their founded. In their organisation, is a deal with those young girls and too long with protected these boys and men at the expense of our girls at the expense of our women and what I believe was these women were telling the truth and they had a right to have their story told and that anything I could do to help them returned man, I'm more in love with you, then I want Therefore we have, as you know, sometimes they say

may your heroes, but sometimes it goes well there. So wonderful, I'm so excited about bigger love. I added it this morning on Apple, maybe I'll fire up my thirteen year old relationship may we might bank twice this week. Value out or whether they will be mine. The second me, but regardless alright I'll raise John thanks so much for your time Wish me luck on I'm bigger love and greatly isolation, but hey! They too armchair diffused air We are supported by the other Lala Bum Buzz boy. It's been a while, since we gotta talk about we love where my bombers everyday. I love those little tiny sacks that are hidden ass. You cause a nice and thick still. There really think they provide a lot of comfort ass. I can see him, you can't see him. I can't go soft. Listen issue, not a chance out its wets.

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MIKE what your fever, a hundred percent, even a fever. Well, you can just legs, take a nap and wake up and be a hundred. I know, but less and less and less time to be vigilant. It is because twenty to forty percent of people our allies in the matter, but so, if you have even a little bit of a sometimes you're, you should get. This thing checked out. Well, what happened is and I went to work on Wednesday. They tell me every day, onset now every day, but that's true I get tested on Wednesday and then I work Thursday as well. But then I get the results. Last night, yeah, am, I was negative yeah I wanna be boss. I wasn't a mixed, requiring a monolithic, don't get mad at me.

Get mad at me, mad YAP, lemme. Tell you why I was like I gotta stop thinking about it. That's nice I'll have to like quarantine, which blows and fuck up phoenix and broken shoe savages for two weeks or something at least you're right. I didn't want it. I didn't want to an inconvenient I was. I was listening to found she yeah. He was talking about person, he was saying like people should not say I want it becomes. As there is this period of time. If you have, it were you're giving it to people warm up. If I were to go their positive, that route have been positive. I wouldn't you spoken held up at a most hotel for time. I know, but do you know that if you are positive, you would have had it for like four or five days?

We don't know know that is what they're saying they're saying there's a period of time before you show up positive or it's in your body, and you are passing and he was saying you know he he's been chasing viruses forty years- and this is the main one out of here- we got a few boy. I've got one or two when he said this is the most insane one, because of that, Alan and an because of just the crazy range of twenty to forty people, experience anything and that people are dying of crazy. This crazy guys, please wear, masks. I'm gonna, add on here. Please do it just do it, it's not as a main Euro bleeding programme it means you dont, want to injure someone exactly and all at me

It is really easy to just think of it in terms of yourself or all self centered narcissistic, we start looking out of our own eyeballs. So we are thinking of us. Or at least I am disappointed that I am now quite often like. I don't care if I get it I'll be fine. I'm very optimistic I'd be fine. My yes! I wanted about yes now, it's not what it's about and for me in a weird way. It still about me because I gave it to someone. I would feel very, very bad, so I dont want to feel that will look monsieur bream, reckless you're, very safe. If you got it somehow, a new person, you shouldn't, have shame legal catch cold to catch cold. Ever in this case it is different as you you can

be doing everything to not get it and spread right, but you're doing everything. So if you were to get it, you shouldn't be poured on yourself, you did everything right and then it's a virus. No I'm fine. Getting I just don't wanna give it give it yeah in which is the whole. The whole issue I haven't opposite take on that forget sex. The could potentially give it opens up, You can like eyes. I think it's too, you already said it Sal you Ceta, Jonathan Legend. Ah, my mother, Fucker man, you're, really Jpg loony worries resuming yet poor acquire you already swoon when you even think about

have their voices heard his voice and his music, so romantic and sensual Dewey peculiarly puke. You wish will not puking peer to peer review inducing the do. We need to remind people what at me was a quiver yeah. I was really on board, Dover with how so many things a so smart, but beyond that, there's always argue that duty, Hauser, even Ronan Pharaoh, type near the Douglas Hauser and now he's crazy, smart. There are a lot of crazy smart people that are good at communicating or laying out their ideas so that they'll be appealing to people. That's like yeah. Unfortunately, in fact, it's almost inversely related quite often smartest people are the worst at explaining shit or getting

people to buy an emotionally in the way you he rolled out. Do you find the police like the way he walked through it? Anyone listening that should be in favour of what he say, yeah and he just I've not heard it done perfectly up until that point, every one of her doing on the news it is, they planted a couple landmines along the way was levied triggering to me. I think here also may be more willing to hear not you ass or Polly, more willing. To hear it from some one in his position who we like already, who is already bringing us something that we like music, which is, is I generally unlike others, libraries? I have to have

a voice on everything, but I also think there is a responsibility, because people will hear you in a different way than maybe they'll hear the news anchor or whatever do what you did a great job. He debt concludes walk me the ideal fantasy would mean. Well. Does he sing? Do you on that day, or would you feel uncomfortable, silencing indirectly, at your face ass? A good question they can easily be staring at me Wally sayings, but he can be singing sampling panel I'll, be there at him, be like either behind or three slash four, so you can see him, but he couldn't look at you. I want to be behind cuz. I want to see his face and stuff so maybe to the side I'll be sitting by him on the piano bench, ok, but I'd always I guess I'll be focused, they won't be. Will it get me a? He could. Certainly look at you he's got the skills, I know be he wrong, because he knows me. Ok, right here,

Ask him not to do that. So maybe some light sing in a couple of songs. How many songs before you wanna get under the couch? Listen is how Billy Mary, we not saying that you're gonna break up his marriage. You did I in this fantasy or you're dating unlike just the fact that in the fantasy you're dead, or we already stepped out a reality? Keziah you're not dating a and b he's married crack, the class family. How many signs before we lay down and just pulled each other pilot Did you pray gonna get through and I think I could get through the first that I myself am listening wired to say in that way. Why didn't you dead? I won't deny right it's a superpower. Org is. We could play this game with me in Riyadh, ok, right as she's one of my fantasies yeah. Would I want her to

thing they are. Probably you were the idea and have for how long what I would like as like she sings we chat for a fifteen year. She sings again now will more chatting some kissing sure and sing again a little break from kissing high like where we think the pompous price I'm ok, you wanna just blast through that this line. You knock you want this last forever cause it's your wife's, only giving you one night without this is party or fair Your problem is stretched out quite a bit of money going to the bath in Georgia hours to make sure that I can last sorry wait. Two modular much right needing. Why would you want to give you a pig, bind male curtain? Well I'll speak for myself and I certainly some of my friends in someone like of re, honest Albert the very high likelihood that you're gonna spray everywhere

before. I you give her any pleasure. Oh, my god, so you gonna go Bathroom, you have a tug combat, got one more song refractory period there may be what's wrong. This is why women are scared of Why would you want the man to to do something that would ensure that the x? very well along and available at any moment they stare at you and they can control. Their body and they spread, we would also fluttering. Isn't it it's dangerous, it's a bit dangerous

for a woman like that, would no one is doing this on the street you're allowed. It would only you're on a date with Rihanna she's singing to you, you're you're conversing, for fifteen minutes between songs and is very romantic and then the tensions building, and then you just as a boy you go home or in the red shirts, not off I'm just saying adjacent Lee. Ok, this idea is ways danger what I not you you or not. A day, but in life that just you walking around? No, I don't think so. No walking around one's gonna spray on a day with eleven, and things are heading in that direction. Shots on me very specific about the contact rising the guy's walking on strictly to Duck India, alleys and sprang cats what's happened, and I dont condone man condone sprain in an hour walking on the street yeah now where I can get to come and go now,

at a common gauche. I guess that's what they're full years, urinary spray grabber diet coke by in this scenario, You guys are. Definitely. Can I have one night with Ryan. I really want to do a good job, but I understand that in she fucking deserves there yet, counted as she is. She could about one anybody that night she picked me to sing too. She did. I gotta deliver yeah, so three time singing thrice signs, one time, tickled tick, roller laugh. If I didn't know what were you and ever pop. You don't need to. I don't need you and John Ledge and you need to happen to the bathroom tickled tickle, because who cares an outbreak and help them? That's right. You won't be rendered useless after that moment now I can go on and on the up, Loki, John, really in the family,

see I want to like walked in on him singing. I don't want it to be. For me hold on hold on hold on. I can prove it even better for you: I gotta go on go on you walk in you're, not even early. He just lost track of time because he thought of a song about something crucial from childhood of he, was pointed out on the piano, and he was so. I believe he is coming right, an sing tat. You would falcons spray, It's where I work needs break. I wouldn't even duck into the common. Go. I'm re right. There he's so classy. I feel so sad that this there were talking sexually it's not even you would more swords just like from real dry

a little we're talking about Oliver Spray. I know, but but when I mean super detailed about that consistency, above all the beggar backup backup? He listened to his first two albums he's a very sexual man a great way and a healthy great way, but is also very classy. I know what you think classy board sexy now, that's the opposite of what I'm saying is sexy an class in it what we are doing is low banks. You all and not classy agree to disagree like that. Holland, Oats, ISA Therefrom failure and they are on Wikipedia. It says this and I dont know if it's true or not, but it says at the time an elevator yeah, yeah yeah, I'm an old well at the time they met each was heading his own musical group Hall with a temp stones and oats

the masters, they were there for a ban competition when gunfire rang out between two rival gang and in trying to escape. They ran to the same service Ella, that three, I ambrose- I knew that now I know everything about whether I guess Alzheimer's yeah. They took an elevator together in Darrow Hall. He got that this nickname in college blue eyed soul, because he would go to these predominantly black saw archipelago contests. He would crush. Oh yeah he's a really cool musician, nays yeah. Ok, it says on further discovering that they were interested in the same music and that both were attending Philadelphia Temple University. They started spending time together on a regular basis and eventually shared a number of apartments in the city, one of the apartments.

Shared had hollow notes on the mailbox, which became the dew owes name. It would take them another two years to form musical, do oh and three years after that they sign to Atlantic records. Generally, Sir Debut album most number one heads of any do do it. Of all time the number one do out of all time. Here they were like thirty, eight or thirty nine top ten heads or something so the most successful of all time do it and they were kind of late. There are older yeah. They were like in their thirties when they broke instead of their twenties yeah. Now they knew themselves by bad yeah. They're gonna done that beetles. Ten thousand hours thing I'm outcome and I commend your listening. We know you love her, shout percentage of our and b that came from the church. I did not expect to actually find. Yeah, but via Maggie

indeed article and according to that, eighty five and ninety percent of your arm be singers, come out of the church. While wily. I know so now. I'm really conflicting decision. No I've done a church, goers boy. What a great breeding ground for amazing music they prefer take. A wage church I'm not at all, but I guess I do think that country has become slowly more more secular every year. That's the yeah trajectory of western civilization so share Europe's ahead of The mad in some places are nearly all atheist. Yeah It scares me that that would be a huge loss. There's em there's a million things that I think are of great value in religion, Mitya, there's a lot of things that would be lost, so dearly. Sat. That's why I think there should be a plan to replace the things we

all love about it. The community rap music there's a lot of things, but out of if we need a guy in the sky, with a beard for all that to work, I don't think we do does have a lover humanity in each other. I would like that it seems hard to achieve in how we can try. Why will say this? Ok, so some of the armed Jerry's naturally has certainly many of them are religious, and thank you for always bearing with my take on it. They want us to have a religious person, so then Gaga Christians, my lorry yeah. She sent me a video, as she often does, yeah of a woman who was a sir. Jim who died for thirty minutes. Ok and she went to Heaven upon and came back in this videos, her explaining the story, it's like a thirty minute video and it was right

and I really liked this woman now I definitely she went to Heaven in her mine. I am of the opinion some chemical stuff very somewhere does trims. Oddly enough, your body releases empty, so I definitely think she would have- and I dont know that I don't think she really went to happen, but I definitely no. She went to Heaven and I'm fine with me. We should ever on she's very fascinating. Was she religious before? Yes, said she had always been really rustling with this by fear a created nature of your either scientific or religious, and that those two things don't overlap. Yes and I have often been felt sympathetic to get what scientists do, because you really you can't use,

creation, as you can see the world's seven thousand years old in many things, jive with any theories of physics, any theories of biology, any theories of evolution yeah. So what a thing for them to grapple with I'm sympathetic to it, but for her she said I M, you know at four kids, I'm performing surgeries all the time and Jesus was something that was like eight thou. My list to do like I mean I have shed need to check it. You know like a chore like pray, yeah like check in just one more demand on her ass. I know them I never thought about that. Yeah, probably religious people often feel like Shaq. I make more time for that, like I got to make time for AAA, so I could relate to it through this experience she was like no for me, it's got to be number one I got to be. You knew how well do you understand you're, really interesting story. I, while the electric into ok, great, all, really quick, less is through rises.

Second like, if we interviewed her- and she started telling us what God look like like how many minutes of hearing what God look like before Bialik? Ok, yet we got it Because we just don't believe she really looked at her ok, so I think I would prefer to have someone on whose, like a religious scholar like a field room- yes, because I'm in your case, Yes, I believe that she believes that, but I dont believe right. There's no like coming together on what I compare it in. This is a little bit. What people that are religious don't understand about my take is for me it's like hearing about summons dream for half hour like the dream, although exciting and may be revealing some truth to you, it didn't happen, and I have a hard time hearing a story about

you're thing that didn't happen yeah I just bail out at some point. The Arusha you're still told me about this dream. It didn't happen, I mean I'm never gonna be, and I don't think this would be the point of our episode at all, but I'm never going to be convinced that there is a heaven because this woman had that story right, but weirdly enough- and I know others were unite- differ a little bit. I believe for her there's a heaven and I believe she has a God. I don't, but that doesn't make sense here, because then, if you believe it is a thing that exists and that follow up ours is believe what I believe this is based in anthropology, which is, I don't believe in witchcraft. I had a professor who didn't believe in witchcraft, but she went to Sub Saharan Africa to do her fieldwork and someone put a spell on her and she almost died and then a showman exercise, the Spirit that had been put in her body in she recovered

and she was like look. I dont know what to tell you. I don't believe in that, but when I was there and immersed in that culture, I dont know what to say to you, but I was somehow fell very ill from this tax. Someone put on her So what am I gonna say? I gotta say that she and her life was possessed by a spirit. Now I dont believe I could be possessed by speaks and belief. The man, but she was possessed by spirits in arms, I know it's seems weird

I don't believe it for me, but I believe it for her. Sir. I disagree. I feel that that story makes me feel like yeah, there's a possibility that that could happen to me so with Heaven, which I do not believe, and I dont believe that some people who believe in Heaven go to Heaven and the people who don't believe and haven't doll. I dont believe that that doesn't draw make any real sense right. So if I believe too that she went to Heaven for real, then I would acknowledge. Oh there is one: ok, here's my other example too. I worked with all these four pianos in Detroit they were straight from the Philippines and most of them had been in the U S for, like five or six years, all of them believe Nego scheduling. They believe us. They all had these really detailed experiences with go site.

All of them had ever had him together in their telling the exact same story. I believe them. I believe they had that experience yeah. I don't believe in goes right. So in that weird way, but I do believe they interacted with go somehow for them. Don't think they're lying. I don't think the whole thing they explain. They were driving, they hit a ghost and then the blood. Even though they're going eighty was running down the windshield instead of coming up the windshield from the the wind like, I believe all that happened to them land. I dont believe Ngos, but if you believe that happened to them, which I do too, I don't think people are lying about these experiences. Are you saying you think chemically something happened to them? That made them see that or do you think they interacted with a ghost? I think of you believe and goes you interact with girls? That's what I saw. That means you, you believe

their real to the people. That believe- and I mean I know it's weird- but the ice now, there's a there's, a really neat compartment in my head and it works. For me, you got a girl, really believe Edward has had multiple experience with ghosts. Everything that's my friend when ships, so do I I know- and I am I don't believe in goes but who am I to say, I can trust my culture in my point of view, more than Edwards Culture in Edwards point of view. That's cultural relativity, like that's his real life experience on planet earth, I'm not one to say, there's not ghost with the cuz. That would be telling him you didn't. Have that experience. I can do is say dude. I believe you you had that experience and then, if he goes to you, if you have any experience what goes I got nobly Ngos and where that we're die here, I believe people who had those paranormal experiences as well and when I hear those I dont think well. That won't happen to me because I don't

leave in them. I think, oh there there could be something going on that. I don't know ruling out that I won't have an experience like that right and I had an experience like that. I've told you about it were three of us were in Camp Dearborn. We saw this. Guy was just read energy thing that change shapes and it looks like he's on a bike for a minute. Then he shot across this field at like the speed of light. Where like what the fuck is that now I have no explanation for what we saw and we all saw the same thing. But my explanation is not that I saw aroused right. I don't know what the fuck I saw writers I even go slightly. Then no one knows what was so. The person that believes that was a ghost is is equally entitled today. Conclusion. I am that it wasn't a ghost because no one knows what it was: ok, so the Chris Rock joke about the Dennis why he was taken by this house and Alpine New Jersey and the people he listed were himself Mary, J Oblige, J C

Eddie Murphy very go. I want an error. I now baby. I don't Why'd, I dont knows Now I think it's true might be. They olive an alpine New Jersey or have homes there. I guess that's interesting. Other super rich people went to Westchester I've never heard of alpine were mostly gorgeous. After all, elements must be ok, John Tax, a little bit about counting the prisoners as part of that local population and the federal moaning. Exactly so, I guess more states are moving towards counting the prisoners as well didn't of their home communities as opposed to where the states are moving towards that some of the interesting yap. While I would definitely be incentivize people building a prison in their community yeah, oh and use of the LAPD, has a six billion dollar budget.

Two billion, while I'm glad I cried the now I've been saying that a lot. Where did I hear there? Maybe you're confusing the amount of people, nor have you two billion two billion, because even if you can kind of like L, a county, sheriffs and always does they wouldn't get up to six billion things done hp now, ok, well, and where I heard that NOME embarrassed barriers to three hundred percent fuck up, that's ok! I gotta stay there. We fix it up two billion. Now I know I know I love you. I love you. I hope you flesh out this like a fancy, a little bit of money or more d ye. Ah, you know what are you reading together? For then I mean: do you draw you jail? I know he's so romantic and stuff that everything in the fantasy is like you're innocent yeah. I'm in his saw, Sir there's like stake, for.

Oh oh, red, white and red wine and MRS Bear again you over fresh rich greens, some cow or some spinning guy, just a real clean meal, whilst it isn't necessarily clean, but it's no good. You can give them a nice away for you maybe a year now, like the butterflies, a butterfly hot dogs. Are I love you? I love you