Leslie Odom Jr. (Hamilton, Smash, Central Park) is an American Broadway, TV, Film actor and singer. Leslie chats with the Armchair Expert about his acting approach in Hamilton, achieving his singular goal of being in RENT on Broadway and struggling with the concept of being the “token”. Dax asks about the unique dynamic of being married to a fellow actress and Leslie confesses about his time as a grocery store employee. The two talk about cancel culture, Leslie talks about his commitment to salary parity and Monica and Dax have a disgusting/interesting debate in the fact check.
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Welcome, wild, modern armchair expert, I'm deck shepherd joined by Monica Maud man. I do in great. How are you doing great, you look great and all green. Your Monica and all Green green bill gates his favorite color or to that up, must be right, as they say there Brain is geniuses. Favorite color, my favor go is really blew, but I'll often lie and say its green, as I know that about genius yeah share its my second favorite after Blount yeah, it's probably my second after purple. Oh my gosh purple, not popular favorite color. That's why I like it. That's what to do We have an outstandingly talented performer Leslie Odom Junior Leslie Autumn Junior is Tony award, winning an Grammy award, winning actor an singer. He has performed on Broadway in television and fail me as release three jazz albums. Now, most importantly, let us get to it Hamilton, which is currently streaming on the Disney plus APP.
It's incredible of you were unable to see this musical. I don't like musicals, and this is one of two musicals. I absolutely loved it. So good and Leslie is so tremendous in it playing Aaron Burr. So if you are unable to go see alive, I do urge everyone to check it out on Disney plus so was in Harriet. You was in smash murder on the Orient Express and you can see Leslie currently on Central Park, the greatest cartoon on television for what she just got nominated for an Emmy. So congratulations, Leslie his new album, entitled, MR just Emma. That's all you need so check out his new album. Please enjoy Leslie Autumn Junior, we your support, ordered by ring. There are a thousand reasons why protecting your home matters to you for me I have a couple little obsessions. We get a lot of packages, many packages and I wanna keep
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our big. The latter, proud about their round about complement their color. That risk is coming from. The side is like a diagonal. You're gonna me yeah, not me why said well. I just learned about him and I had I saw his wife so yeah. If you guys want to be lifestylers, I think we're all when I think just base visually only where we're up for it. I have to say that I've known your wife a long time and I was thinking about it were excited about coming here to talk to you in this way, but thinking about my relationship with Kristen, she was the fur personally I know you know what this is like. She was the first person that I knew that I could see on a billboard. Right right right, my records, you guys are roughly the same age right right and when you're coming up like when somebody- Somebody blows when somebody starts to go like. That is a thing.
The thing you remember and she was the first. She was the first person that we didn't know we weren't like tight, but we know each other and we we've worked together and I remember what she had that lifetime movie That was the thing that you keep them when she had the custody of her siblings or whatever else up we working again. And then I don't know what is it like a year or two later she's on a billboard and then like it feels like six months a year later, she's Veronica Mars, and it was like it's a big thing. The first person that you know it's wind in your sails you're like oh, that's, just a normal human. I know this human, so wow. Maybe I can do this right. It's that it's bad. In its also like somewhat like invasion of the body snatches of something it's like the Islamic, yes, a snatch, they get like big plucked from the group and then there like away there like gone yeah,
so after she's Veronica Mars, we kind of don't we connect for light seven. Eight years like she's, really gone, you know and then us through no fault of her. You know that's not her by her. It's like she's, busy and cheese very famous, but yeah it's It's really. I think she was the first. She said you had a top pony of drag when she was nineteen. And she said you are killing it. She said it was. It was workin and all the ways does I did I had had. That was in my my dreadlock phase. I loved my drives man, you know this is. I would not have had them now has its clearly labelled cultural appropriation, but in high school I had him an eleventh great. I gotta say my favorite hair Ducas you're done you wake up,
you're done there. It is that's what he's gonna look like you might throat and opponent to EL but other than now. There's nothing to think about. I dug it. It worked for me until it didn't anymore, and then I remember shaving it off when how free that felt to like you know how liberating that was too like be bald. Yes, yes, but so I big trouble. I gotta get in trouble at school and my mom said. I've got a punish you. What? What can't I punish you with, and I said well, I think, if you tell, I can't go on road trips, I'll, probably move out and get an apartment. If you tell me X, Y and Z, and she goes okay. So that's it! That's the list and I said yeah, that's a listen. She said: okay, get rid of those dreadlocks oh shit, I didn't think you'd be now. You tell me to cut my hair of as a punishment, but she was so cool that I had a respected. So she cut at all, yeah. I remember dip in my head in water and gone like. Oh, my god. I felt my scalp in a year rye Am I grown back just to cut him off again, just that I about to forget that
about out? You know you have a little girl right. You have three or Odin yeah you can always trying to teach him like forward. Thinking no delayed gratification like this is something you're supposed to work on, and that would be the ultimate stepping delayed gratification. If you spent three years doing something for three minutes sensation, there are people that that's all right, like those people that grow those flowers that only bloom once every month, you know there are people that they do that that now we are on their life. Their life is about that foreplay. You know It's like yeah. I was just listening to win Nicolet found out. I was coming on issues super excited her her. Favorite episode of all the show, she's listen to as the one you did. I forget the one's name, but the one you did with that view. We relationship expert, Astor morale
backed Jesus he's the jet eye of relationships, sexuality, eroticism yeah loved, which she said, and I really related to it, because in a lot of ways when she acquainted criticism with alive this right. You got it. Yes, a for life right. It's the same sensation that I get like when this thing that I do when it feels the right when it feels the best. It feels like There's an a in theirs seduction. There's a piano the chase it's yet exciting. In that way, drill, and do it a little bit for me two in this isn't a great characteristic, but I need a plausible threat of annihilation. To enjoy, so my Hobbes are like motorcycles off road raising and then Kommeni, which is used about their insight. Manic
Inga, either way and ending. I m there's something about the stakes that led the heightened sovereign right. That wakes me up, and it makes me very present. Is that, like what happens with you, one hundred percent makes me very present and you know I have been annihilated, like I'm sure you have There have been an ocean performances, those moments that did not go well, and so I never take it for granted. I just finished a movie last week and over lunacy, is internet Russia such a crazy story. We shot This whole movie entire movie it at the top of the year. In February and apply went down and that in New Orleans kings directory debut beautiful script, about this true story. When caches Clay fought the first heavyweights
being shipped bow. Nobody expected him to win that as a white do what was his name even those black to all people think he was white because he was kind of the white people as is well, I think I was thinking of like sunny lists, dinner, Somethin or that's how it is ok, sunny lose them. My guide, sunny lists of my cab some way or racism just got exposed to me, but I guess I think this remember he broke. He did not doubt some great white, yells right and then yeah kind of show people up. Ok, a report by Sunday was black, and so anyway, when It has its white nobody's things that he's gonna Windsor, there's no victory party planned in Miami, and nineteen sixty four, and so he spends the eve. Hanging out with his pals in its seedy motel room? You know, and his pals just happened to be Malcolm X, SAM Cooking, Jim Brown, and we know that had happened because the FBI was following Malcolm
there are no sooner than you know, Malcolm X goes into seedy hotel room with they called SAM Cook like Black. Soul singer subject even used his name, I didn't he could be saved, could prove a shot this whole movie. You knew I had a wonderful experience, but we had seen that happens at the fountain blue and they couldn't Conor replicate it in New Orleans. They, like all, will shoot that seen in there lay so like a week after we finish and all is well, she will shoot that delay and that will be done and then cold happens in so we ve, been waiting for four months too. We have two days of shooting on this. Maybe that was bringing up because is like literally when they said that a rap and I felt that tension leave my stomach. I was like I've been tense since I got this job like some. In my body, I've been holding tension. Yeah, oh All of these months, we're going but the one thing Jim Brown did you get to meet him for this movie? We do
and he's the only one of the fellows that still live? No, we didn't. We didn't you know, but I felt like you know, all this out is hard pleased and Brown and Venus. I feel like I met him throughout this, but now we can get to meet. Meetings can mean Could you saying at the Superbowl in two thousand eighteen- and I want to say, was that many atlas yeah? That's right. Ok, I was there and then Jim Brown was there and got to meet him and I read this amazing book conversations with Jim Brown and I went up to what I said man. What of Balkan honour the way he did it? I mean should be on Mount Rushmore this the way he told the line the way he helped other people the way he spoke out. The solve the you know the strength and what a beastie was. I mean just it will exceptional man and catches. You know
Where would we be cautious in this movie? You know he's a kid he's the little brother of all those guys you mean but yeah what a lion he turned out to be a force for change and good and a man a king, the ashes. Why are you lying ashes in this God? No, I play SAM oh ah, some inducing as an ambulance song I think, a bunch of the songs are we with GMO lies conduction up owns all those rights Joey Klein's. Dad was SAM cooks, last manager and so manager through a turn of events Jody Dad owns all SAM's music, so Joey's The producers, and so yet we sing all the other hits. Actually all that's do. What was that, like TAT fine guy. Yes, every terrified, because I remember after him then I was at a party and lay down of your memory than but lately Daniels and I saw a at a party
looked at me and said: do you wanna play Sammy Davis Jr for four HBO with me, and I said no, I don't like it the moment because it was only like I love similar if she knew not love Marvin. I love these cats Are these guys have learned so much, but because of Hamilton to finally be the best version of myself, yet what I Compare it right to like Jim, carries big break through. I think he was. He was new and stand up for maybe fifteen years and he was doing impressions and at some point ride eyes like I'm, not gonna become my own thing. If I keep doing this task, it was it was like a moment. Ike be a wax Sammy Davis, Jr or I could be an amazing Leslie Autumn Junior. I'm choosing that you now e allies when we're done comes to you with this. You know it is amazing script and you know it wasn't just a straight ahead by this one item. You know it's about this night. These guys and like
conversation that camp has them. Having in this room is the conversation that we're having in the streets essentially No, it's about you know. Does capitalism work. Can you put a blue face on capitalism and say that this progress, Malcolm, is about divesting, he's, left it doesn't matter how much money you have SAM, like your people, are still being oppressed and you're a part of that system and SAM is, of course, like a black own business. I put money in black people's pockets. Young are a ward the state whom you like, yeah yeah, and so you The conversation that having the room it was too good to pass up, but it was terrifying, Lhasa, in the room when it happened and how I recently just watched a clip that circulate it. It was a clever, lose very kind and I watched it in Erin. I remember seeing that clip of loose fair calm in the nineties in thinking right, o this guy wants to like obliterate this country. He wants the whole thing to crumble.
And then I'm watching it with today's eyes and, unlike that's where their mother Fucker said, every single better. Now acknowledging like red lining in steering, go away from real estate. All this dove and end up inherited wealth and all that stuff men. He was saying it in. I don't know ninety one and seemed radical, and now it seems like oh, my god he was so on it. I know look at you look at with Malcolm was saying. Is it's the same thing? You know even even Martin, right We saw at the beginning of this whole uprising in the streets and the pandemic and stuff. You know especially with the uprising in a you, hear, a certain a certain section of society. Pining and longing for Martin Luther king? That's the way you protest. You know that you do it like that Violent protest is the way right and level. That sounds good, but then you have to remember well, they killed Martin too. Yeah. They followed him. They recorded everything aided case.
And it is not like we can go to the nursing home where Martin is at ninety three Harold Old he be in talked him. Had Did you win? How did it happen the brothers day, you know they murdered Martin too, and not for I think the last brother we saw that flying non violent protest was calling capper Nick daddy lack like yeah, that's what non violent protests looks like, and we have you know the person in the house. Office of the land, get the son of a bitch is off the field. So that's that's what you do when its nonviolent, so you gotta take your pick. You know the idea which you, what is for you to be able to see us coming, but am I I hate to say this, but if you don't listen at the peaceful protest Abernathy, doing that and he has the entire attention of the country on him. Then, if that doesn't yet the conversation going in the right direction. You gotta pursue another. What do people have left yeah, and I mean That'S- that's the language of young people. You know I saw I wasn't out in the streets burning things down, but I and
stand where that comes from and we have distant history. We have not so distant histories to show the way this country is treated nonviolent protesters as well. Yeah. So this is the moment you know you gotta do is once and for all. Yeah now me, you provocative question was part of the Sammy Davis, knowing your like now so definitely. You want to be your own voice, which makes total sense, but also if I'm you and I compares SAM Cook to Sammy and by the I say this with great compassion: cause me come. Gladwell has is awesome. Podcast revision is history. And he does a whole episode on Sammy Davis and it's called. Why the weight of the token or something like that. You go it's about being the earth's person through the door and what the first person has to endure, and I mean it all com.
Nights with the most chilean roast by all of his friends right on NBC Prime time, there dropping the n bomb and they're talking about lynching them, and I mean these meter. His friends and you just get the weight of what the token is to be the. Can person in the room, and I guess I thought I'm you! I don't want to play it. Token. I want you said fuck you out of like, as I wanna play, You know what I'm saying with any of that in the mix does a great quest and and super provocative egg cans, Allworthy wasn't go now I'll, say I had to take with possibility. So here you know: confession from me: You know I remember when I came to allay. You know This is you on that the nineties, but wasn't the but it was. It was with a ninety sensibility because that's when I came up watching tv I can dilated make tv, and I was a practical kid-
and so I had only ever seen tokens right right right. Hollywood was really functioning in that way it at that time. This is prescience, arrives in east array and lean away and all the Donald Glover this before the all these brilliant people, so Hollywood really was functioning in that way, and yet you can still do it with integrity. I came to tap dance. You know not to make a fool of myself for being a bring shame to my family or my people. Nothing like that, but I was kind of I knew that I was gonna, be on some poster and be the only black guy on that poster guaranteed. Unless they reboot Sandford Insomnia. Europe, as why it like I was gonna, be on some ABC show and be veil black Guy different Ryanair doubts. I only came to allay to work my way back to New York, because I was like, what's the quickest way to become this Broadway thing right. That's what my heart! Is you? That's what that's what you see when you watch the Disney plus thing, and that is what I was sort of born
do, but I also knew like I can't get those parts until famous and select. Let me go to elegant famous, like get those parts out, so I came here sort of signing up for that like signing up to be very black guy on the poster. To be the token now having lived it, you know I know first hand the pain of that I would the black guy, on smash, you know that end. Z shouted. It was the same system is, as always been- and I remember there was a writer in vulture, so they were doing a recap of the shell and you know ass, like coined the term hate watching, everybody was only watching that show to hate on it right. I got sweet about it and suck my how ridiculous wasn't so there was a really funny weak that she would do it. We can just to secure the show us border named me token, ah named Me- told how that beer?
Every all I'll tell you how I felt it was painful. I'd take responsibility for it, because. On some level. That is what I signed up for all those years ago. So was ten years. You did. You feel me its like what at what I came to allay on some level accepting were seeking found its way to me or I found way to it. I'll just add your naive. So on some level. Yes, I agree with you but on another level, no dude you're, not the fuckin architecture, the system. So, if there's really no responsibility for you to take on you're, not the architect, until you have a moment to change it. Yes, yes, yes, when you got leveraging you down the nets, a whole other thing to wrestle with
that's what we're talking about units which, with all these systems, bro like that's what we had to reckon with with me too, that we have to reckon with me to the same way. It's like you know what I'm fuckin waiting for is. The guide has gone through this to go to a fucking couch sit down with a fucking. Psychiatry am occurs in more than any guess, pull back the layers of rape, culture and toxic masculinity and like this is what I've been looking at your bill Cosby when he came up there were ads for four no fees in the back of the magazines he was reading in the back of the magazines you're reading, they would have ads for the things you could put in a woman's drink or spanish. Why arouse a kid? That's where Austria has vanished? Why was always, and that's code yeah, like you're, going some girl horny with this pill is at some point. This is the same is true with racism like at some point, you huh
to commit to getting? Well, you have to admit that you're sick they did. You are ill and you have to knit two getting well you to do the work and go. This is the water we ve been swimming in God, we're we're. So can I add one thing thing is set up to not allow for that and I'll tell you why. I think so is this side that leading the charge, and God bless him so glad they are some fat. Action of that site is more interested in retribution for saving growth, so the stakes are very fucking high right. So for the guy to come out and say you know what I am a massage into a group in a culture where the worsening you could be as a boy was a girl. You go to school of Europe, looking girl you were exiled! Okay, so for eighteen years of hearing the worst thing in the world. You could be as a girl, you guess what you feel superior to girls in that blows, a man is how we were indoctrinated. Yes, but if I'm gonna, admit that and say. Let me now work on that. You can also
take away my entire life, because if the stakes are you my life vanishes, then guess what I'm not gonna, probably own up to the and I'll say the same thing as with racism like the notion that there's raises or not racist you're, a Nazi or your fuckin I don't even know who the most liberal white person is, but no no, no! No! No! I'm a fucking three! Ok out a ten right best, that's maybe the best I gotta hoped to be on the raises scale is a three out of ten from how I grew up in this system, so by does doesn't make any sense to you like this God. I love what you're saying I love, which is saying but- and I don't agree like you know, there's
no danger of you losing your life using losing you in any way like. If you really want to talk about it, maybe you're talkin about like oh, my grand kids will have a little less than I do nobody's commented. Take your shit like a white guy you're, a white guy. I was married to joy, Brian on TV, and she said that's always white boy day. What are you talking about? You know about he's coming to take your money nobody's coming to take your opportunities like you're good. Until you die like what the events on this planet if you're here now, if anything you're talking about you know if you decide to fight for four more equity and justice and equality for people, they don't look like you in the world, might look a little different for your grandkids, meaning they might have to. And that's what you now, but they might have to actually complete campaign, surely be competent instead of just being handed shit because their white, like you, those
that's the price you think, but here's the Good NEWS you leave them a shitload of money, you're going to leave them a lot more than my parents left me. You can leave them at the house in the wealth you've accumulated. You know, so so far behind, because you know there's been a back in hand at our forehead, yet you know Accumulate. Probably do like blatantly excluded policy in writing excluded fisher, but if you're, a white person and you're here fighting for just as it is not going to affect your hurt personal life, while you're here you're waiting for your kids. You, I guess I'm just saying I know how but I've eked out this little existence. Where I can say that I can say on the three- and I know I know times. I've been a three right cause, I'm just I'm unaware now I can say I'm a three and for some reason I want a much fall out. But I can imagine like if Tom, comes out, says, like I think, fair, racist sure
no appease fearful. That will have a huge impact on whether he works again or not, but I think you're saying that it will affect not if there's a follow up of I'm before and I'm working to be a zero yeah, yeah yeah. That's all our yeah fall out like community, like you, if you're, nine and you're, like I'm stayin, and does he asked we cancel culture comedy I am trying to end before you should be cancelled at undermine lady. That's one thing: I'm talking about the man who is accused of like tree women poorly or you know doing these things privately and being like. Oh my god, and dealing with that here, you get to you, create a play, from for yourself, thank God, I'm so, and I am curious to see like if you feel like it. Made you a better person all these hours of conversations to people, but you know it You are willing to
work on it. There's no such thing be willing to have conversation and one by the way it requires friendships. Right. Where were you trust the for the person so Joy Bryant has defeated me and like four epic, racial debates and one of them being I'll, give you an example dumb. I just fuckin Haiti. Chris. On a I'm in love with reality. So that's part of it right we all come and then- and then you know my mom was beat by a husband. I witnessed that so I have my own particular distaste for that. And I was you know, going on about Fucking Chris Brown. What a piece of shit is and how I loved the fight him in the eye enjoys like you know, do you feel that way about this actor. White actor who's. A white actor who's been found guilty of spousal abuse, then she names another one and another one and all of a sudden I go to my guy, you're right! I mean that's a mirage actively the exact same thing, and yet I am very able.
To label Chris Brown, a monster or a bad guy or evil in Certainly a part of it is back that they have. This can be the only explanation Can I give you one, tiny and you're on your defend. I, and I am one joy side. I want to say because, like don't nobody's, gonna cancel me, but I will to give you a tiny bit for your defence next time. You guys get into that in the fight was the only difference was God we, was so tired of dogmatism in another tree. Like I love that you know, I love what she's built, but to actually now put it down are related to the meeting to everything that was different was when we saw that picture that that's what I was funny enough. That's what does hang in the entire argument after these are those who favour behave differently. Unlike I saw the pitchers. Do it was it was gnarly. You know said she had been attacked and I was like We heard about it. What we all pictured was like you know: what is it right into it to get off him for second like to go to meet you move? It was like with
I'll call in names. You know all this you when you hear about these guys going down you like, come a woody say, like you said you had a nice top on or whatever and we're like. Oh, you gave out sex toys for Christmas. Oh my bad, like I'd, wait! What you'd Often a plant wait like some. We were, it was so much worse. Talent was where condition to pray act. People on a wall Why not well in black folks in the black community, they protected our colleague you long, they produce ass. Well, I think it's a pair run one hundred percent. This is my arms. Theory on it is like we are parents that are flawed and we love them and week we get practised at making excuses for these people, we love and then so now we love bill. Cosby and he's kind of our dad too for a while we're pretty good at like we ve been down this road. You know my dad does have a temper and data data. I think we're we're pretty pretty condition to forgive
people. We love for agro behaviour apparent Chris Brown Unify, oh, yes, yes, and so with the law. Guys doing the exact same thing. My point is where a little more condition to be like that's, probably a little more gray, then it is with the with the black eye, and I would benefit of the doubt you some oh yeah benefit of the doubt. Am, I think, part of it. It is the pictures which ties into the whole system in general, which is media. The media is more likely to be like this black guys bad. These white guys were not going to show pictures of like that. You know it's. So it's all still part of this whole system, where this is bad. This is maybe not so bad It's true because she pointed out. I think that there was a pitcher of like Charlie Sheen's thing. There was a picture of his lady and I have seen it shown yet- it was an equal you know I have to admit it was in my mind it was an equal and that's why you're three, Then I have never heard three.
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you know raising this girl I was struck to win hearing, some of those toys, Louise Story or Charlie roses story. A were who's. The other one the brilliant rather than the comedian Yazzi Afflux right here no stories and now. Some of those stories were about physical violence right whereabouts, when overpowered you So when we talk about that- and that is that is something that men have to deal with. Man to man you got a deal would like what has brought you to them These were you overpowering another here, being any and imposing your will on them right, yeah, that's colonialism that some evil wicked shit the idea, but some of those situations where just that you know we have to have these conversations with our young women with a girls, because some of them were literally, you did not feel in your body enough you did not feel enough agency in your body to get up off a couch and walk out a door like
only thing that stop you from the psychological harm that was inflicted upon you, was your willingness, your ability to stand up and walk out of door, and that is that is true of anybody know because the power dynamic saw yeah. Sometimes they are if their physical right, like wishing you know that the police departments, they are the more the violent arm of white supremacy, but there's what happens education and what happens in banks and what happens in real estate, and you there's lots of ways that the system oh yeah is set up, so they say miss true of You know the way we raise our young women. You walk out that door. You know, there's a long history of you won't be believed the police won't take it seriously. If they do they're gonna give you basically a guy in a logical examined a police station. You know want that where this person's Prague and your career, the physical,
asperity the sexual dimorphism that my wife will point out if she's, like you know, I get into an elevator all the time in the person in the elevator is literally two times my size. Imagine you got in an elevator in there was a guy that was seven foot six in four pounds. You are aware of your vulnerability. That's right there, right, and I certainly want to raise a big because I I'm, not a woman, and yet I've had expired, the answer is where you know the thing that stuff to me from being taken advantage of in some way was the fact that I as a man have been raised to be in my body to all my voice too to own my yes in my no unlike the sunset, I say no and sometimes it's hard and they'll call me names. Is I'm walking out the door in the aims at my back, but but I got out at the door and some of those situations were just somebody that that did not feel powerful enough. They didn't feel like they could get up and walk out to do, and I dont want that from my kid yea I am. We had a conversation before she was like to know why
who won the first words she learned, and so the family before was doing this thing. Were they to ask her? you can. I have a hug and she'd. No and now you know they come to give her hardly gave a kiss now and they give a kiss and me my wife talked about it when daylight. When that will we need to talk to our family yeah, and we need to tell you that when she says no. You have to respect that if you ask her and she says no. The up, but we had one where I kicked myself for like three weeks, which, as we are at persons, housing, human to give our daughter a hug by an insidious want to, and then he said he basically said in so many words I'll give you this thing. Can I have a hug and then I was just kind of observing and not thinking of the the terrible pattern I just co signed on and then we left- and I was like my god me and I should have said like no dude you're on teaching do to exchange her affection for some fuckin object, but you know
is happening so over there, he goes like. I gotta think I'm the type of person that I would have done something, but I was guess afraid to make everything awkward and blah blah blah in those like you know going forward, I gotta I got intervene, I gotta stand up, but you know you gotta learn settling there. You don't exactly that's why those experiences. Are there? Look what a tiny expiring you had to learn a big old. You know that that was experience. We had we let it run for a little bit and then we're like. Ok, we need to put a stop to it and also there. Are there to the weaken right, the small lesson in bold print and- First of all, this has been so fucking fun, but I must, I insist. We promote you as the brilliant star that you are now Hamilton. I just watch. Let me first say I cannot stand musicals my wife and I could not be further apart in our interests right, I'm like I don't get it there, singing their emotions to one another whatever I have like to is the cause of my life. I love book a more and I saw Hamilton him in New York, and I
being blown away. I was born so many levels, just the fact that he got that whole book ended at musical is impossible, but it was done and then guys. Worse, so outrageously great and then we watched, of course it on Disney plus couple nights ago, and is this the question I want to ask you: did they re or that in one night or was that multiple shows that they cut tonight's two nights, and then couple days of you know pick ups of like closeups. Instead, ok, so I'm like you know, some of these people had to have gone home. Thinking, that was one of their work, shows oh yeah, and it was just informative. As a fellow performer, I'm like everyone was brilliant. These tests I think I sucked I probably did at the time that data whose great I was probably just as good as I suck I just wonder like what what you personal experiences like how the joke endeavour differ, even though for us probably we can't see it the writing king on Broadway anyway. So, like you, do you get a great piece of writing in you? Just
have to get out of the way as an actor. So I do. I write it like that's all land, my to buy both my old testament of my new testament, for this show were Lynn script, of course, and David mammoths true and false o o the members who have asked was so instructive to me doing what you tell me why it's a book on acting ah cash ruined false is, is a book on acting and eventually his theory. He is that, like that act, Can only five things up and down think you can do as it actor is to say the lines that the author has written loud enough, so that the audience- and he was a one page work. Yes, I remember that when you are doing my, please make sure they are heard and get off the american state like the right. Why so? But the follow up behind that is essentially listen. If some
then comes up for you. If my writing spires, something in you don't stop that but all these things don't walk on the stage imposing your will on my writing. If you're not feeling anything, don't do anything if you feeling anything just say my words, listen and stage with Dhabi digs Philip and learned men well and Renee, Elise, goodbye, my UKIP, any Ramos, I'm Gimme a break like as a whole is a whole lot here for me that really all I have to do is turned to my left and look and I'm inspired, and so that that is where I was working in that show like just whatever comes up. I don't deny and final feel anything. I don't do anything as great great advice yes, you, but you you cause, you got it right as you can and you ve been through negotiations before so the day before the movie. We were still locations of what I was going to do, the movie. Because the movie had been announced that they were. They were filming the show that have been announced. But
No one had called my agent to like ask if I wanted to do either at our Asia as a company you fill me, it was like he has assumed that we wanted to do the movie and that we would do it for a certain number and all this stuff was assumed and mind. You were a week before the contracts end, okay, so it's like the wonderful thing about what is happening in the streets is, it has opened the door for more honest conversation like the one we're having right now. Yeah so years ago, when I was negotiating that contract. Let me say this, my favorite well, that's come out of the streets from this movement. Is that America, is lucky black people are not looking for revenge would look here for equality. I were not looking for revenge and I'll say the reason why resonate with me is because of my personal it and all the black people that I've ever known like. That really is what were fighting for. They came to me with an offer and you know what Leslie were shooting tomorrow and unlike his
is it, this is it. This is my area of expertise is all I have. This is my life's work on the stage to write, and so I just can't, sell it away from magic beans like I can't. I can't give it away yeah good for you, and so like you coming to me with this number right, so I can ask see a does my white counterpart? What does errand to vague make to do? Greece live on tv? Wouldn't you make to do Greece yeah? This is here, molten live right. Yes, yet so I found out what he may Dax. I didn't ask for a penny more. I didn't ask for one penny more, but I said you must pay me exactly what that white boy got to do young sly, good at bottom line, that is about you. I love my my white liberal friends. I ve no love why we will write but dont be in the streets. Talk about black lives matter. If my a life doesn't matter like? Essentially
don't wait for the fucking cops to kill me before my black life matters. Yes, it. My black, like matters, make sure that I can take money home to feed my children to a thousand percent side. Note I told Kristen frozen three comes along this. Exactly what I want you do. I want you to walk in with what Robert a junior made for his franchise. I want you to in what I, either one of five why we now, They made on their three billion dollar franchise and you say We taking this. When the thing is, you know we talk to young people, talk about the power of your yes, you know in getting up off the couch and simply working out the door you have. It doesn't always work right negotiations I Lou, jobs. Sometimes you, the day before we shot that movie I called out, I was not kidding. I was not coming to work the next day to re movie. You know I was not kidding. It was a principle for me and Sometimes it doesn't work out. You know idea. Sometimes they look at you like we're just not painted, and you have to go. That's ok! For me, it is consistently
cousin in this capital. Society were white due to set the pace, I'm going. What is the cop? What is my counterpart making to do the same work? I just want same thing. I think, there's this layer that happens with minorities and went in where there is this sense that, like they should these, so grateful yeah, one nation ass were more because they should be so grateful there in this position that they're getting this much. This is a lot and not looking at yet the white counterpart or the male counterparts and sang they're, doing the exact same thing or way, less and getting way more theirs is, like sense of you should have gone attitude, and it's so fact well, said there's a line in the end, the brilliant twenty Morrison documentary,
things got pieces of me its bright, and she says she had to go to her tears, forgotten morsel, your age. She was an editor and she was you know. This is like the eighties. Like the semi. They say you know, you're gonna be like you notice you deal with, but she had to go and use a single mom and she walked in and she was like looking at all the editors to all white man in like disguise this and I'm getting this. They come I said you know: what do you need that for he's? Gotta he's got a family. You she's at I'd of household, he's a baton We believe it. I am head of household and of conversation You know she got her money, but yet you know it the beginning of you know it's it's we gotta do a little work to get people to know that, where the same and do you know you won the Tony you wanna Grammy for that album? What's nice but that is its like it Elisa it makes it objective a bit like this. Is it your ego going crazy? As I I have this accolade this dude, as is actually
play was this successful ours? Was this successful? You know tell me how that makes sense everywhere. Got their Achilles heel right. So, let's say mine is I always knew that since I was kid. You know like whenever I'm asking for justice fairness, like the first thing that they do like to say that I'm ego, how will destroy use will say that you're, an asshole will say that you're it is a club tax write is cocky is not a pre right is the things Monica do said. I had to remind my friend, you know my friend, the police are just because in, like you said in the light of today. In the light of this context, I want you to go back and look at the letter that I wrote you when we were talking about this. That was not my ego. Then it is not my ego now yeah. What I was asking you for was parity. That's it It was never my ego bro. I promise you yeah That's it's! It's embarrassing for all of us. Ok, ethics in it, yeah we're fix it. I love you Sancho Crazy, a the videos,
see Monica Piggy LEO. Essential, but that means Pit Blackwell as it is not not. Second, that's what all night and it does not give you pig you now the and in the video yeah a woman, video autonomous jazz, ok. So so here's what I was thinking so outside this is tricky Because you're married in your married to an actress if I'm, u like WAR, HANS, This is like a sexy song about like single people like this. Isn't a song about Mary People's I'm gonna need to give some very attractive. I got to build thing single. I me making this case to my wife and I was curious. Will we We ve had those conversations. You know we ve been together twelve years and we ve had to have those honest conversations, especially as success goes up and for both of us and all the other costs of you know we just really check in with each other and go. What is our expect
patient and that we should set out on his conversations about it? We had a conversation not too long ago, because my way a brilliant actress and a brilliant singer and what I'm always fun. Get her to understand is like baby. You are always at the top of my mind, like a year, I am never skipping past you like when it just. I want her trust as a creator like as a creator like, trust that if it's in remotely right for you you're, my woman like you're the but yes, but I'm not fighting for you, if I'm not advocating for you for particular part or moment it's just because I think that there's somebody more appropriate well, dude. I give you the example which is like. I wrote this movie about mob my using years before I got sober as I am not casting Kristen as one of these junkie gales, paled around with back then let it is her sweet spot. So you know artists, Finally, I would have to say this: isn't the one for you right? We ve
Had those conversations in its interim because you're in your video, your plane, Leslie Odin June yourself, I do think, is more complicated. It is a little more complicated, but we ve had you know we we ve had to have those comes here. I can the regime in the movie that we just wrapped up a different actress, was cast. My wife, Regina cast a different actors is my wife. When I read the script, I always thought that nickel. That would be great now because of covered that this wasn't willing to calm and finish the movie rise. Oh call me like you: would we do. I was like will you know it happen to live with an eye to eye corn teemed with a greater and we could and so Nicolet ended up playing my way: she's, brilliant, beautiful and movie. She play SAM cooks, wife and his movie, so you know like I'm trying to also use the evidence of our life, like you know that that helps me because it's like baby, I promise you went something that you're gonna shy. We ve come to it ass, a quarantines men, we manage
the things we ve learned about each other in the way we ve grown in this thing, is, you know, exceptional its. It is. It is a horrible try time for so many so many, my friends feel their backs up against the wall, and you know it's like it's just them. Some everything in quarantine right now, like it's too it's the most beautiful time in the most dreadful time, all of it right, the out cosmetic, question about when you're doing a show like Hamilton. Are you on vocal rest when you're, not there, I mean you really get to protect your voice right. I wasn't some shows you do, but Hamilton was in every way that the experience in the project just just fit me like it you know wasn't written out of my range. It was something that I had to take care of myself and I was happy to take here myself. Is it Lester? well to be like wrapping a lot of it. Is that how
because it has no those you know, there's a lot of screaming and talking a knowledge of all, I can say, is like my training in shit like I'm, I'm just sort of beer going for that. Eight shows. We kind of thing you like. I love doing his legs, for some people be death. Do the same show five hundred times I did. I shall over five hundred times got to me like that exciting I get to show up tonight and try to be better than I was last night. Just keep digging in digging into you now. Well, that's a christian now. I was I was lamenting about how I just I could not do I couldn't to chose a week for four per year. She does. He have a baby, you can Do something you would want to do basically, which is try to sing in you suck at singing like did you? Did you mind doing alive, showed the groundlings every Sunday, I'm like no fuckin live wars. That good of you could have done that eight eight times a week, and am I oh yeah Yoda, but you get older, I'm wondering is your appetite like because it is such a commitment in you have me, have a baby all these different thing.
You have other opportunities at probably pay more for less work. Does it get less appealing or do you think you'll always keep returning I would love to return. I mean it has to be something worthwhile, because the sacrifice is so great. You don't make a lot of money. You are away from your family, you would take care of you, things, and so it is. The only requirement is that it has to be something worthwhile, which is a tall order, but now when I look at it, is it's like ministry to me. You know it rights whole life, you know Just it puts me in touch with my purpose and I didn't get in the business to be celebrity or beat in tv and movies. I wanted to be on Broadway so like any chance I get to do. They do not do do
their dogs, you to do and say to me on your own brought, we all brown with your friends maybe do where I want. I want to share one. You can tell me if it's true, because this is their Christians brain, but it's too it's a story of hope. So I do want. Are listeners to hear it. She said that you know. Yes, she knew you New York New, how town did you were and then she saw you working at a grocery store and she's like man, this has just so. Unbelievably talented in he's working at a grocery every like a babe Ruth too the keys and allay you good artists was recently moment. I think that if you re a verse that happening- and then you know a week later, she heard the you got Hamilton Road is added to restore.
Is it true until we're ready that they're part of it's wrong cuz? I know he quit. He had a tv job that he backed out of to do Hamilton, which DNA was it took the most amount of bravery of your whole career, but would have taken more bravery, actually not to do Hamilton design. I knew how special that show us, but soda like to not do Hamilton for me, no a bag of money of slight. I wouldn't take anything I wouldn't take anything tonight to him, but she right there yeah, I mean my survival job at some point I just had happened to this is just going to make me sound like a shity person though, but no, but I feel like your podcast is about telling the truth. So the truth is I feel so bad, but I'm twenty two's wait. Three years old and during the summer's back at home. I work my way up to Kashmir at a grocery store at home, so I knew I was quick and the register like out. You know
good money right? There's a union and you don't like triple time on a Sunday if it's a holiday, I might one of my best friends in their groundlings TIM loves dead. He sometimes he caught em like what you making days like four and a half times crow you do you remember. The grocery strike the union struck and so is was scared. Oh look Graham. I applaud your arms and by the way I've been so many things worsens gags you're in good company. Yes, I did that was TAT was my survival job, but we did not like to go cease to strike. It ended up. We do know if it was gonna be week or two weeks I wouldn't scare. Today I want to have learned. I would not scab anything today, but I'm twenty two years old and end up you know, die and out and delay, and so they were striking. So you do know is, is a weak as it going last two weeks, but they were paying everybody the maximum.
Which enhance was like seventeen dollars an hour. Why everytime I wrote to scan grocery store, I would view to fall moms and come. I didn't like three months a good the strike lasted long time. Unfortunately, I'm sorry. I really am sorry to all the union workers. What did I think back. That you all know is the greatest thing in your book. Failing up, I think, address. Is that right, like that? The many many setbacks and mean because if I look at if I dont one version of your life right, it's that you on Broadway seventeen years old, that you ve been on Broadway for twenty two years more. Then you ve not been on Broadway, but that's at the complete story is it now? did that Broadway show and then it was over a decade. Before? I did another one gene over a decade pointed another Broadway show and then am I not only done three? You know it's. There was rent, which was a dream. Come true united, I say sometimes have joking
yeah, but I didn't want to be in on television movies. I want to be in show business. Even I wanted to be in rent. Like was my dream so It was like I'd, want a fan contest to something you know like one day, I'm loving the show and then the next day I like- link my eyes and I'm standing in the in the seasons of love line in like singing to an audience. It's crazy that show, and then I had a dream, another dream for myself. So then the show that I did over ten years later we a show called leap of faith. We ran two and a half weeks, sombre way before we closed and then the next It was Hamilton why wouters that's while two albums that are out thank making another one, maybe it's rumoured Yemen, but two dozen sixteen LEO them. Junior number one in the gas charts, two thousand eight, since Christmas number one the jazz charts you're, single go crazy is is everywhere in doing great there, that's for my first, of all original music I just put out of all original music, and I'm super proud of it. This
again, we went after the movie of course wanted. We were number one on Itunes pop charts for whole weekend, and yesterday S, amazing, that's great man. Congratulations I'm so happy here that oh lesson I gotta say central Park is the best cartoon I've. Since the simpsons I mean you're on your own like one of the greatest cartoons ever meant. I can't believe how good it is like Christian, had early ones and let's watch it on my here we go. You know I gotta watch encore about people reassembling their musical aid or hide my wife's loves that show by majority. Does yeah there's a lot of stuff that I watch, and so this thing starts and, unlike my good, baby, you are an like the best cartoon in the world right now cartoon it's a good cartoon and Josh. You know Josh and I won t you know just where, while I love Josh's episode of your show, but yes and I went to college together, Carnegie mallet near we will owe babies and I've been
hang on his weird little projects for over twenty years is for some is ever paid me though so yeah, it's your wound, a ball. I love it. That's great ass. And that's apple, and then of course, Hamilton. As on Disney Plus, and then your music is available everywhere. Musics available, Leslie I hope and others overworked law. Hang you Balin loved, Nicolet, nigh yeah that'll be fine. I love it. Thank you also, my thank you Monica thank you. Tax for making making space appreciated. Absolutely we love you shall thanks man bye, bye, They too are you. There we are supported by article- your home is an extension of you when you are looking to create a personal oasis. Article is here to help make your home you're happy place with organic natural materials. High quality craftsmanship in modern design, article selection of furniture makes it easy to create a spatial always want to come home. To, I think, they're furniture
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yeah. I had a one week to business trip sons funny to call it a business trip. It seems like what moms and dad's do at a embassy sweet that's what you did well, that's true. I alarming that in new state, in virtually if I was in a holiday in express at one point and then assured him- and I don't know if it's Sheridan or short term, I think its share term I think it is neither these are endorsements. It said D de shared damn way: share it now that's a different sheridan. Its share, a tan, ok with the tea. I was right to be nervous like a thing which he had just texted me the other day and he said: did you know it's actually hard as Hale not hard as hell was yes and then I said really and then he meals,
Actually, no society, as I heard it on Tik Tok he's getting a lot of his info now from tyranny of much exclusively from touch. I thought the end. Dick as it was a chinese companies what'd I, but it's still there not Sloan anyone down her. I think what happened. As you know, a lot a southerner say that hardest Hale WAR, my favorite, pronounced Asians of her, like that was This programme about an animal wrangler he'd go, go like alligators out, a swamps and stuff share, he got bit by us make? He wasn't. There did the oldest snake, but he was there to deal than alligator on his way back to his truck to get some tools. He just saw snake in the grass they weren't even on him tight and he's like our snake in a graduate many thousand here. When word law gale by this name, which was anymore, why is there and then I was wondering how good he was at this job. Yeah then go right to question because he was very much fashion. First,
he had like really bleached, hair and spiky and lots of ah my true religion chains in the wall way. It was a guy fury. No, no, but very similar. Look, yes, good you're on the right path. Aha, he just went got things out of people's palms and yards yeah. I think you know, but I dont think you know I really hate snakes- all really yes, number one on your hate list away or or was called fear lest, ok, but you'd rather be face to face with a snake than a lion I hold. So yes, I get sorted paralyse thinking about. One of my best friends from home has like a true phobia of it, even if you like, say she hears it all. We got. You hope that your friend was merely in Vienna, Johns, always Indiana Jones.
Hey that's. Why did you have to be snakes? He hates nags he's only apparel yeah seems to be lower than he was afraid of remembering those under the Neverland Universe in Indiana job. Ok, I have seen one of them at the Cannes Film Festival Bet. I will mainly like not paying attention and pretty high on all this. But he's outward they're here and also probably was one of the later ones. I make no claim on the later once it was. It was here, but the first movie is insanely ground Adena. Ride at university. Nobody isn't there some racist stuff or not that's it I'm aware: ok, ok, maybe not, You never know. I want some of these things now and I'm like oh yeah. That would not let our while short circuit, let's just say in how you gotta You got man plain indian wow, so I never heard of that. Right and all you remember is if you were a kid: is the robot came to life? That's really what you remember. Yes, a Christian decided to show it to me,
doing party maids and we were all there and then there's a brown face situation sure it's old troubling, an ax at all. It was bad began I would have never even thought of any of it. Now like oh yeah, this is very outdated, ok backed Indiana Jones. I don't. Think, there's anything like that I'd in there, but of course we should watch it together, find out fast order. If there's some dicey, I'm not gonna like the snakes part of town in right now, but much my love, because the hero, whose fearless also fear snake, seem, I feel a great kinship. Ok, he does not goin to brown face at any point. Ok movie here, like awfully town, will he gets into some dust up where he gets dirty but never presumed to be a different ethnic. Do you think he is covered in DAS and then someone like thinks he's andean and then test speaking in an
accent. Like some misunderstanding. Well, it's possible some of the extras in the background the Bg players they might we making some choices and assumptions that the director didn't intend. I can't speak to them. Whether they are looking at him going, I think, he's playing indian. I can't speak on that because a blog and then what, if they dont, have lines but may be they in the back on their talking to each other in their moving their mouths cause. They no longer raising backed won't know like they're supposed to be like in the like diner Tom they're just actually voiceless, but even though their voices are doing, accent in their brain. Ok, that's good morning, beer. I thought you were in another direction, which is their supposed to be pantomimic, not making any noise, but once they decided he was in brown face. They thought all bets are off.
Speaking in this house, I have lived so I am allowed to speed. I ve got this guy's was to be the leader the movie, but now is not I'm only the movie, Lhasa Racist have could be happening. That's right. We don't know about. Why were timeout snakes, you're afraid of snakes? Ok, what about so merging therapy. Were you immersion, immersion, sorry, immersion there I bet submersion. I was gonna, be submerged and snow well that's what I was thinking is: what have we got like a coffin and we felt it weigh up with snags. Now, none of them are poisonous, Similarly, I knew you could get in there. Nothing would happen you would just be, but maybe he drank is he be GB racist who now coming? dialogue- ok, not now back to this coffin yeah for your immersion therapy. If I fill it with half full of snakes, is there a figure that you yet in it for amount of money? Oh my god, and I knew fresh
account is excited performing all around like an actual snake I sold, I know for sure they wouldn't be able to buy or strangle Well, there's no guarantee they won't bite, you that there's no poisonous ones, and we know that no snake by on its own is doubly, but when her, how big war just feel again shot. No, oh my god! Oh my god, my gives us a bite. Like inner thought about you in your ear. One could be attached year, your lobe, ah, but it all side my ear. What this is all just pain. You can certainly tolerate. You had more painful things than getting, but by a snake in your life. We're talking about a billion dollar I'll, tell you: what did you have four billion dollar? Yes, I would be irresponsible to not see a billions, not a good number because I would be a bad person affected, knew that Sunday, cooling,
of its chair? That's what I'm trying to get you in a position where you would seem on ethical. The now, though, I have one for you, that's gonna be so over the top and we have to cut it out. Ok, go ahead. Ok, so you'll be anesthetize for this and the snake well too, but they will put the snake, near but all now, and so that the faces aiming towards the exit of your butt, but it'll be up in your your lower gee, I ah and then no bring both of you awake now they have the technology that do you like a adrenaline shot for both EU and then you'll have to let the snake crawl out, what organizing person well. We know it well enough scenario high. So, yes, you have to have snake, putting me and let it crawl out here, but it wants the price tag on that and is his mouth shut now know what Now his mouth is fully functional. We don't want up. We want to put these snake through any kind of straw. Ass. I'm risking death here then known
Normally, I would not die of a snake bit the inside your. But yes, yes, I worry. No, we have a team of surgeons stand by you're, not gonna bleed out from this little Fisher. This little gardener snakes. I hate it in snake gardener, snake gardener snake share it no don't get distracted until now, you're trying to find safety and internet search. What's the prize, like. I can tell you what the price for me is how much to honour now the attacks now Yeah! That's not true. I dont have a fear of a snake crawling on my, but in fact, if I could feel my, but I would pray there would crawl out and, let's be honest, Whither out. I'm sorry everybody, but significant money on the table here with the fact that he is getting implanted in there
a horrible part out. He and I are both taking naps and they were both brought to a waking state and we both realize neither of us want to be in this Vision as regards measures now would you, like I'm sure, yeah, I don't like your body, we're muscle Mary would take over and you'd start pushing them out like use a boot. Whether you knew better not say you want to cry good, what's the price. You're, looking at maybe five ten minutes of discomfort in your whole life, fifty million dollars. Fifty, millions over. Forty nine million dollars- you wouldn't have a snake up your, but while he is such integra, I really admire them already. Be mine. I could give a lot away to charity. I could, by my house and renovate it exactly how I wanted it and I could buy stuff for my family
an admirable, maybe money for children, but not less than that. Ok, fifty million the price, so armed cherries, if you all, donate fifty dollars, which I know it is a lot for a lot of you and not a lot for others. This may be the ones that It's not much. You could donate a hundred grand I'm sorry a hundred dollars, but we could get this done. Now where, of course, we're underestimating the cost of the procedure and finally, medical professionals that would perform it, but let's not get hung up on that knowledge is try to crowd sources, fifteen mail, to watch you we already know the plaything of people donate. Fifty bucks are entitled to see it Is it your, but not you I mean it son as they agree, did not make it sexual. That seems like a reasonable thing, ass. Its three footsteps.
That is not a fitting in my body sure! Well, they when you get a camera for a call and ask me up your, but it's like five foot, a camera. The snake can't get up in my organ No, no again, it's gonna be facing towards direct them to be Really clear lies ahead is gonna, be on his way out. That's right that is head. Would you feel more comfortable? The head stays outside of your anus yeah yeah. I guess so, as part of it is I'm scared. It he's gonna writing man say my, but his or her. Let's not beast sexist Are you her goal might be just exit? there's! No! I don't know why biting anything makes you feel like you're exiting quicker. This has to be part of it, because, as soon as it comes out is definitely boy as soon as it comes out. He's gonna be wild up, he's gonna be pissed.
Relieved to be out of your boss, he's gonna, be Percy, was stock and then he got release and then something in a bite my neck off no! No! No! No! No, will listen. If you found yourself, if you woke up one morning you're in a room with no doors or window, you know what would your first option b are biting the walls or would you try to start fear how to get out of there? You wouldn't bite was binding law on your list of, but I'm not a snake snakes bite. That's what they do in a pinch when it helps them to defend themselves but they're not biting as a hobby, but they think they need to defend against me because I'm like keeping a member by well, but they don't know you're in He now they don't know you therein your, but specifically for sure, I don't think they even know there in a but much less. Yours, ok, quick question! If you had to wake up in someone's but live or dad whose, but would you want to wake up in a mad, Damon's
No, because truthfully, I think I'd want to wake up in a girls by probably vegetarians, but ok cause they're getting all their to bow to their yeah slink yearbook. Here as a good point- and I wanted to be stinky- I have one of hay who Pineau be crews, circa, vanilla sky. Tell me why, after tiny, why is your head, like the snakes like it's like kind of towards the Bible, you're? Ok, yeah then to me that, for whatever reason, that seems obvious that I wanted to be Penelope, cripple from from vanilla sky, Quintus Paltrow, that's it, pegs Irene Award Ward. We gave out at the end of every year because it says a lot about the person
a hygiene, a war die at a ward, yeah, I'm turning. Who do? I think it's like the queen s person Gwen The good tat is really good. Yes, really good. Guy All right I'll, give you wake up in their next to other things that they bear. Goop decided was also good to be in your, but that's the only potential downside. I vow then I'll be ok, sharing space, ok, yeah, ok, ok, I'll! Stick with one of her now great speaking of hot people ok, Leslie, oh sure, sure I mind, Wilder's backs factor, go law the ass, but ok, so he mentions Christians lifetime movie. That movies called grace used for graces choice graces a sixteen year old girl whose mother is on a fast track to self destruction. The police arrest her mother and separate the children, but
she does whatever she can to keep her family together. The mother is in and out of their lives and her sister gets pregnant and runs off to get married. So Gracie takes on the challenge of being the caregiver and guardian. Her brothers are putting yourself through school. And working part time. She has a lot on our play. I've watched this movie, its grey she's, great, an added by honest to watching it in, but all this reason I checked it up in the first place, it is her mother was sitting for a lot of that movie Her mother got put in as background, so she makes some crosses. Oh Anne. She really got carried away with the cross. Is there art scenes? Were her mother crosses three four grace. You will go into another room and lo and behold that woman is also crossing a mantra gay. I it is ray I have on? If you know and love lorry em, you know and love Kristen to watch it. For that reason,
prepared a lorry. Who are you know and love? I don't blame her. Obviously I blame the director whose, like now paying attention to three specific, you should be blaming me. Eighty, the assistant director there in charge of background the director can't be worried about the performances of the Leeds and also optically staring at the crosses in the background. They miss the performance. What they could do at all, I'm not trying to pay want them. We'll be God alone are unimportant shade on the eighty of grace choice, because that a d she or he may have thought who gives a shit no one's gonna notice in there haven't a blast, and I would call I know man, gesture, yeah k, so caches claims that he knocked someone out. That was why, early on, I didn't find that a sunny, listen is black yeah, ok, Malcolm Gladwell, token,
episode has called the hug her around the world, the hug, her brown, the worry yes, Sammy, Davis, Jr Hugs Richard Nixon at seventy two republican national convention, which alienated him from the black community of law. Yes, sir, oh ok, the Tony more sin talk is called the pieces. I am ok and then he talks about being a scam when the grocery store Union. I never heard that phrase before. Oh, I didn't know about it, but it's a union worker who returns to the job without permission from the Union or Non Union employee who needs the work and is willing to put up with a taunt threats and even violence from strikers
in either case he or she is the mortal enemy of the Labor Union. An organization is designed to protect the interests of workers from the possible tyranny of management. The only true weapon of the Labor Union is a strike and scab labour renders a strike useless, you're. So, missions of very very union Centrics day yeah, of course, I'm very pro union that term scab was very well known where grew up and it was like the worse than you can be, but I can now see is you know once again its away for the true antagonists, to do go on checked right, so the whole struggle then becomes about the scabs versus the union workers when it's like. Oh the, the a boner just got off Scot Free is now he has remained the scout. You're gonna get debt diverting I can
see another side of the argument. Now that I've left Detroit well, it's convenient for the employer to make it all about the scab and the union work or when that's not really what the fight is yeah. I that's chair and also I would say that they need money. But I get it did the right. You know the unions are asking all people to help curb the behaviour of these multinational companies and also the citizens have to bond together and they might even if you don't work for that company might you might be asked or
upon right to help with that mission? It's kind of hard Cosette mean. I know you better fair, so you'd want to help, but also, if your struggling, if you can't put dinner on the table, you're really Putnam bad position, yeah the reason it's never been a great threat to sign the screen actress guild. Is you can't really replace all the people that you and I want to see on tv, would non union labour and be satisfied. So there's this like uniqueness to the job that kind of helps keep the union strong yeah, so they can't just replace everyone on tv evidence. Also funding, as I was thinking about sag the other day. We were talking about unions and I have some conflicting feelings about unions, much of witches circling around their protection of getting fired, and we don't have that anger fire,
and set tomorrow, like I'm, not protected from getting fired. It's not like nearly impossible to fire me. People get fired all the time on acting jobs and on sets they do, but I think we're your union production comes in is that you get paid for that job. I think there is one aspect of it. When you get fired, you still get paid, which I don't think is right, then arm in a non union. Yeahs chair where I am critical of unions is quite often so they ve been the greatest thing in our country's history for creating a middle class. You know- and I grew up in a town that heavily benefited from union wages and entitlements, and I think those are great. I do think there have been times, though, when the union doesn't want to acknowledge the economic. That has happened. Words like you, ve got a company like Toyota competing with a company like General Motors in General motors, all union shops and toil does not union shops. In so
Yoda might even be willing to pay as much per hour is the union shops will, but there now willing to take on thirty years, a retirement right. A lot of the entitlement in retirement packages and healthcare packages that have been negotiated are simply viable or unsustainable yeah, and so, when you get up against them, reality of that there has been times were. I think I've sided somewhat with some manufacturers or minimal? Do so, whilst very unfair that Toy Yoda doesn't have to have union employees and GM does and there can be seen in this same marketplace is dont. Think there should be I only use should be so hard to get fired from a job. If you clearly had a lot of misconduct or even just agreed just misconduct there, that's the other place where I think they can get carried away or others plenty of history of them. Giving carried away
these teachers- I now who is Yahoo of yeah yeah teachers, police autoworkers, I'm sure they get caught sleeping in the bathroom yeah and extinguish, do we next to them in a snake and two or three snakes up there, but any can't fire but it's really interesting to us is going to add that some sudden, as happened in the evolution of industry over the last fifteen years, it's not totally talked about all the time is that there are fewer and fewer and fewer and fewer union jobs. Because there is more and more more automation. Right on one hand, it's even more viable for the manufacturers to pay union rates because they have far less union employees and they ve ever had. And it's it's that a for the union workers to get what they want, because there is far less of them to go on strike.
There. There, like overall role in the manufacturing, has diminished as automation is taken up. It's getting harder and harder for them to protect what they fought for yeah, while food for thought their lives. He was fantastic that all the facts I have that was all what a baby, what a charmer would it be an appropriate for us to have a top five? At the end of all this, we chose the top five dude you on to hook up with based on the show, severely Leslie and taught eyes on her prey: yeah, ok, but isn't it our dynamic such that we can get away with it, because it's a dangerous world for women, but it's not a very dangerous world for men at the hands of women. So do we think? Maybe you could do that I'll think about it. Ok, think about ok, that's another food for thought. Ok got a piece of food, ok because I just feel like these Devlin, the top five from
just from my point of view, watching your level of relation in your face as your uselessly nympho all the pictures. You really smiling. Set up a Christmas, your Christmas childcare? I love you. I love you
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