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Zoë Kravitz

2020-05-04
Zoë Kravitz (Mad Max: Fury Road, Big Little Lies, High Fidelity) is an American actress and singer. Zoë chats with the Armchair Expert to discuss the differences between living with her mom versus her dad and her experience working with many powerful women on Big Little Lies. Dax checks himself on asking a potentially misogynistic question and Zoë outs Dax on being obsessed with her mom. The two talk about how Zoë caught Dax is in a compliment paradox the first time they met, they bond over Koo Koo Roo and they debate whether or not to refer to the superhero as Batman or The Batman.
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
Welcome. Welcome, welcome to arm chair expert on deck shepherd High and I'm doing Monica mouse hello. How are you doing but great sweatsuit? What color do we call that its content? Cotta? Oh my goodness, cartel ricotta, it's from the grand pan, Gaia there not a sponsor, but I will give them a lot of love because I've been wearing these exclusively rock quarantine. Yes, you finally in them right. That's correct! Well, our guest today was not in a sweat to now. We know that we know of where we saw her. I guess we suffer top at her. Problems could have been swear. That's true! That's true, Zoe Kravitz, whose in american actress singer and model you know we're from divergent mad max fantastic beasts. Big little lies and currently in high fidelity on Hulu, which is a fantastic aspect, show and then, of course, she's gonna be in the upcoming Batman, which we talk about. We share
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life insurance and get back to baking, your own bread, adopting a very friend or just being a kind inconsiderate human he's. First of all, you ever knew cute hairdo. Now it's been like this for light have on nineteen January. What preceded it fat man I did. I'm glad you're, saying Batman and not about man. Can I just era personal grievance? I dont like when they say the bad man. I think it's a strong title the ban on. We have to say, though, that man, whenever we say do you remember I guess maybe three of those ago Murphy is as name let me say something now William expelled with the sea, so it's very confusing gotta IVO, you probably speak French
staff dd, are you modeling? I don't you think I speak. French guy got ok, Kelly and Murphy, there was a moment in one of the bat man's or he bring me the batman- and I was like the Batman We're getting really say, Batman well, be I've, I believe like aldermen. Yet it was a real. There was a swallowing of certain vowels and in an accentuating the ones it didn't exist. But the point is that the Batman Adjust Batman. Get me Batman. Now, where do you land on this? I do like when I think of the day, man. I think the feed ledger saying the bat MA am. I do like that, Man, I'm into, I think, if those I like simple and yet Epic ogre joining riot strong August, so I'm just taking some clues. One of them is two two's on your arm, which I noticed extensively in high fidelity last knife: either
you're still in make up or those are those are yours there on minorities, and I don't know it's not mine due to the younger yeah yeah attitude on Europe, and now did you have the conversation with them, because I have done this, but it's it's out of pure laziness, witches if undermine a tv show which I'm currently on I'm going. I cannot do and our extra everyday of getting these things covered. So do you after embrace them. So what was yours motivated out of I mean, I think I always try and think of the character first, so most situations, I've covered them. Nothing, but a lies I covered. Most of them are in the bad man uncomfortable at the half in the bats man, but yeah in high fidelity, just felt like I was kind of playing sullen so close to me that I would fully believe that she had tat is. The funny thing is: is that high fidelity is the first time I've been able to play anyone remotely close to? I am
which is funny because people thing that I do things. I speak French, you all right. Well, I know little bits and pieces about you and then, of course I read about you and then I learned that you got married in Paris. So I was like I don't know your old man has a place, their yeah in so maybe spend an inordinate amount of time mare, and maybe you picked it up because you have a flare for that. I wish, That was my story. I wish that the story of both my dad has a house there and I have spent time there were. To be honest, I usually just go to see my dad and in the kind of like not even leaving, the house must be sure don't we go to Paris, Ally and stay in the house, which is so sad because it's the most beautiful city we realise after a week right, we haven't left the house, we have to go somewhere and I M your car Leon up in what appears to be a hunting cabin is that I know where to say I was like a ship, so yeah I've been renting this house in London. We were shooting about man and out. We were not
about men anymore. He covered by were here still over the covered, This is the goal so yeah or in a very cute little cabin me house and nodding, looks like I'm in the woods yeah but knowing that year by the way I'm gonna take a stab at the interior of the Topanga Canyon home. Did it resembled this at all? It's in its round my mom's hoss its round. You know what I think. I know that, for I feel like I've. Seen You ok I'll buy. These are all accidental thing, so I know you love me. I know about this, What do you remember? How bear out of you remember this remember for life. Isn't vanity fair yeah. I want to hear her version yet now I now know now. I know I tell them because I don't think I fully did know what was going on and I don't think you could be a have been as impact for for her It was for myself, so it all started out. I think this independent spirit away,
there's something where you are you're on stage a hat, and so what happened was my wife and I are watching and I go that's Zoe Cravats and she goes yeah and I said well. My prediction came true that those two that what I have always historically for now forty five years have said, must be we'll do humans to ever live on planet earth were your mother and, of course, your father, and so I thought when they have a child. This thing has just be the most aesthetically pleasing Richard ever live, and then you strolled out on stage, and I said to Chris sent by God my prediction was actually she's, the most stunning human I've ever looked at increasing, as I know it makes your eyes feel good to stare at her. Oh, my god, I'm blushing and I said something on the order of you're the prettiest person we ve ever seen in real life cut too, we now see your mom and out now I'm going back is now your mom's, but my number one since I was like I don't know.
In ten years, all always mean meet her and then my wife, thank God. She's help me make it not feel insanely, weird that I'm saying this to your mom, but I'm like you just you're the number one of all time. I don't think there's ever better person prettier on planet earth and then you walk up at the exact, Perfect moment- and you say you just said that that our priority of ongoing- and so I felt completely fraud and truthful conflicting. And I saw him by both statements here. Obviously they both can exist. In the same, you love line. I see you say that to one where a person there would have run Dax your heart, I remember you are coming up and being very sweet and sherry and my mom walking away going. There were some cool you guys, don't like a very fine unit. Ok, great, that's a good feedback
Now what happened was at some point. There is a dance for, and I love to dance, and so my wife says you: you want to dance with LISA, don't you and I said I would really like that: and she said you should ask her and then I ask your mother, and then your mother and I fucking caught a goddamn right. I must say up say upwards of forty five minutes chicken dance oh them exuding just seeping out of the pores. I am she's a tenant. All spectrum so dies what's happening you ve stumbled into another. Do you know the actors? Joy Bryant, yes, ok, joy and I were married on television for six years together and we created this thing called the sole spectrum and we rape Bill Murray being one of em. I put bill early yet and the nine ten like same Jackson, territory there are high and yes, I gonna make brand aiming ride. I think is really
a high on that solves back to Christopher Walken. Ok, you gas, very, very interesting and right. I, like that big time, big, very high in this. So your mom is basically perfect. Ten miles back to me to I have on other really embarrassing men living to share with his great. So I'm equally obsessed with your step that Jason, I just love, is physique how I love his physique, someone in his hair and all that I just gone is called Euro go many times point as we go to the game. It runs like premier, I don't I would seize and maybe six or something I wear it takes up. That says, starts in the streets wildly in the sheets. That's my tank tat! I've only got about fifty tattoos. I've ordered off the internet on my body that our game Thrones theme
twos and then I'm with Christian, whose dress the exact same. Why some feeling very sound the name, tat same thing, tat same tattoos and I'm feeling super confident like our kindliness premier, but I get separated, Kristen at some point, and then I bumped into your mom and it's our first run incense our danced party, this interviews I'm too are you getting man. Having I have heard. This is all I get is the most human interaction hadn't so long and I really really enjoy our good. So I bumped into your mother. I completely forget: how are you I'm just so excited to see her and then I guess kind of feel that she's giving me a once over and all this then all at once. I realized what I look like. I look insane and I panic and I go I'm not draw honey and I saw I start panicked com screaming for christian Social joined, so your mother doesn't think I'm a complete lunatic and then Christians, busy she's doing something, but she comes
What is it I want to see not die paroquet, and that then that was it. I doubt your mom remember, look? I bet she rather than I asked. I could totally see her looking you up and down to my mom she's like she's, not very good, at taking it like she's. Very honest she's at ten on the Salzburg drowned, but she is like a zero on the bullshit spectrum policy, she can only land in hand. I think I agree, but I right, I think, you're right there's an inverse coefficient, exactly goddammit Monica you and Monica are the reason I ask this because anyone who likes the show came for me and stayed for Monica. Ok, I'm just the second fiddle. So I just want to say that I currently. Monocles is four months older than you and she's never older than again ass. This is alive. It hurts my feelings. I let all bear its attack. ok, mines for my more minds. I now I know we're basically twin.
All you can do a lot of aging and four months, a lot age, five enshrined this whole things over. I, yes, I believe, I'm going to look like a different person back, does have some substantially more wrinkles than the wings My prediction is you'll emerge the relation at the age. Monica entered I'll. Do the math, ex loves fast, my orders. So why does it make any sense? My prediction is a four month quarantine, so you basically leave quarantine. The age Monica enter hello. I've been doing in England where we started for they did it in England, the minute we heard it happening in America and what was going on in the movie shut down. We quarantine ourselves, I'm sure you're experiencing waves. We are right words earlier. This is euphoric. I needed a break. I love it. I see my kids a lot and then I hate this house. I hate everything.
so I just wonder how it would be compounded being in another country like do feel like that's a layer. You know it's weird being away from your home, but you don't. We do thoroughly comfortable here. America is a little scared. Me Frank now, and the president and just the energy fills a little gnarly. I feel said: there's something actually kind of nice being removed from that people are very calm here, yeah. So there's something comforting about that. I'm not tempted to see me one because I, wafer home anyways, that's kind of nice to yeah, but you're right item. I went straight to England when this first started, which was just thinking like Oh man we're all panicking that we gotta stay inside and stay six feet apart and they would just had arms raining down on their city for months and months in the fact that they all just
carried on with their lives. I feel like you. We are with the perfect group of people to yeah there. It's carry on is exactly the phrasing, but I think they are starting to take it a little bit more seriously in terms of the social distant thing which is great, but even though their realizing, how serious it is. There still very come back to that. There's no kind of anarchy feeling in I like New York, bricklayers, post apocalypse dick. There are certainly some people screaming at the top of their lungs if you'll live anywhere in the sickest. True I mean also, you know when the whole thing started going down and they were talking about closing borders. You know everyone was panicking in so many of my friends call me and said you know you got to get on the plane right now in enclosed the borders and me my husband, sorted panicking, tune, we're like ok to pack up this house and what are we gonna do and then we were like why
we're going to America just to be in America like, let's just say where we are and not go to an airport and not be around people and yeah. We did. We realized. We didn't even know why we were scrambling to get back into the coach yachting, ok, but you long ago you were little tiny, baby and nineteen. Eighty eight yet you're a Christmas baby, yes Mamma, divorced of five to write a too as to turn and assume a pity about that. You don't need to be troubled with that, but I will highlight the truth is actually I don't know when their divorce was finalized, but they split what I was too. I got you. Ok, it's funny catches, you see pictures and staff, and Ukraine is, as you get older confused. that with things that you remember, but I dont think I actually have any real memories of them is a couple yeah. I just made that discover. By the way, the other day, my dad died a few years ago, and I got some of his photo albums and I realized
Any of my memories were not memories. They were memories of the photos. I had seen it freely especially now that we have been out social media and staff, are constantly looking at photos non, stop its sake. It really does become hard to know what's memory in what's an image, it's interesting yeah. So, but you lived with mom from June to eleven. Yes, I was born my my parents had me in Venice, each and then they lived together in New York for a few years, and then we moved back to away, and I made my mom looked into paying out one aspect: four five, but when you were little, did you recognise that? mom and dad we're famous. You know my mom less so actually because by that time they cause, we show was replay the step that it wasn't the sensation than it was in the eighties, and I grew up with that.
Vision. So, oh right, so I didn't have to be decided in sea, runs really for until I was much older than I did see. Roads is because my aunt had taped on beaches of all the episodes yachting them and we lived. You know he lifted a pandemic lives far away from everything that was like a different part of her life that she kind of didn't bring with her and my dad that same time- was the biggest he ever was. You know, fly away out american woman. All that stuff was on the radio I lifted. My mom you'd go and horror and he would come into town which was really exciting for me and he come pick me up and I was really excited just because my dad, whenever seat was in town, they know, and he wasn't so
you know he would come in like a hidden viper leather plants and a viper yeah upper leather pans. Like indebted shirt plagued with a literal about, nobody would come. Take me up and look like that, but then also people people would get when that he was there, and I remember one day going to the parking lot to get picked up on my father, the whole school, is there and it is so embarrassing and then I think that's when I realized you know someone as is always going on and then finally come out and light. I walked down. The hallway at school and kids would like sing it at me and weird way. why our boy did you go to school interbank because over people who don't live and allay they don't realize, like Japan, Kenyans in ally, but is like being in the Backwoods Tennessee CEO, it's the mouse removed enclave, a valet, it's in the little canyon in the mountains. Yeah took me that forty five minutes to get this guy
the school in the valley. I went to the reader Steiner today, while their school call Highland Hall. Ok. Now here's was confusing for most people who have no sociology with this. So I think I think most people think, oh, my god of all the kids in school thought my dad was awesome. I would like it, but I, but now have been experienced myself. It's probably just a shitload of attention that doesn't feel comfortable for anyone swiftly at that age out. Imagine I really think if they cannot, all you want to do is almost disappear. We want to fit in you, don't wanna, be different on either ended up any spectre, right, so yeah like being able to get in this war that anyone looking at the weather, in my view, hires weirder your faces, worthier closer where your direct you to poor you just I don't want to be noticed because, even though the fuckers well yeah anything you need could could equal exclusion probably again, and so ok, certain others. I know that has nothing to do with either of us, but I would see you
other occasionally who grew I lived in Santa Monica, don't let your eyes she would take me to cook who I have like a memory of cookery all TAT S, my favorite. I can't believe they don't exist anymore. I used to see your mom they're, not all the time, but I bet three or four times. I was an area where it was a spy. We were like me gotta, cookery I thought I was in my twenties and I was like man we're soulmate like we're both in we can stay with hooker look at us could display chicken. There had like this all YE orange. Also, do you not talking those? It was vaguely barbecue, but it didn't. You gonna get tangled thing like a secrecy thing to a lot of labour profiles. Yeah cook RO I so funny air, my girl from brain. I used to go there. We run Atkins Diet. We would put the bread in her mouth and just chew it a couple times and then and then just take it and put it back on the plate.
so guy, and I would like to three. What was why what is so worried? Ok, but what what's interesting is that you're, actually a third generation performer, yeah in that grandma on your dad side. Right yet was on the Jefferson's. Yes, legendary. Usually the purse interracial couple in primetime television, yeah Roxy, sweet story when they were casting the Jefferson's and they told him they were going to have them by racial couple, and that is a big deal at the time and now she addition and I think they loved her and they wanted to say no to say you know we're doing something crazy. It are you gonna have a white has been and she pulled out a picture of my room, father who was right and that well, but you know- and I think that was part of the reason they were like. Oh she's, perfect, but I love that story. I've been practicing opened, things back and then same
configuration right so then, mom also moms parents are black and white, both joy, in black on both sides. Yeah yeah man, mothers, mother Eileen, is white. She is a russian Jew and her father is African American do tire of people's interest in that no, I think it's cool. I think the part that gets funny is like because both my parents have brown skin people get really confused, no like how are you mixed or how are we to understand? In short, I think I recently said something on Instagram about being mixed, some person commented by. Why are you so ashamed of what you are? Your parents are both black here. You can't win, do five seconds of research, but also that they think they know more than you about your own history and heritage is really crazy your relationship with it. Where answer? Yes, shame, shame filled or not. There are so many things that are counter.
so Monica I've talked about this. A bunch. Monica constantly was asked where you from all the speeches from Atlanta Georgia, but that's not what they meant. Of course, in understandably hearing it from her perspective, how fucking annoying also the redundancy in the predictability whole here comes out. Question where you from Atlanta? No, but where are you from from my mother. I don't like what are you yeah exactly in the almost like just asked me what you wanna ask because then you don't really know how to answer any answer correctly in their like, but oh I mean you're probably show you. Where are you from but but but for me as a vanilla, hinds, fifty seven white dude, I'm like, oh, my God, the notion that women would be curious about my
the city sounds awesome like any fucking question you have for me, I'm gonna enjoys. I just want your attention, so you don't previously. I think I heard I would again like love. People ask me what my mixes, just because I want to talk about myself and you seem to be interested in me, but out I recognize it can be laborious and redundant anything it depends on us. You know, I don't know when you were a kid is probably different for me like what we were just talking about. You know when you're young again just want to fit in so people can I'm trying to figure you out can make you feel million comfortable in. I had so many like specifically about my hair, you now and brown girls in their hair in white kids coming up in asking like. Why does your hair looked like that or its kind touch it and, of course, the dinner kids? They don't? They don't know what they're doing, but it just highlights your difference. Yeah stars and about you want at that age here now. So, given that grandma was on television and then
mom and dad, or on television or on stages. Did it then seem natural for you that, like our all pursue this, or did I feel like a family business? Did you feel like a fuck? I can't do this because it's not original because everyone else did it like what were what did you wrestle with to decide? I'm going to do this as well. You know, by the time I had to actually think about performing as a career. I have been doing it for so long now, even not professionally, that just as self lie, why's that it wasn't The question you know when I was a kid I would perform for my grandparents and put on shows I would sing somewhere over the rainbow I loved watching cabaret. I love music halls and you know I was an average student. There was a sea student, but I wasn't drama cloud then I would perform every play we did so by the time it was time to graduate. It was really the only thing I knew how to do. I did look into John Jay College of criminal psychology because I was really interested in the minds of criminals, but I think that also like ended up being a part of
I loved acting too I'm gonna figured out how those two came together. I love murders, as we just watch the best Dateline nights ago. Do do you like Dateline yeah ideal or was it was a woman who abducted and other guys for an assumed. Your identity for three years was fucking with the family, making them think she was still alive and a biplane worried now outline facebooking the whole nine, however, as it was called right. It was really see we three years yet years and we thought it was like three different p both throughout like it was a real knows: right. It wasn't always irony love it so Levin you hear that all the. While was that what happens or is it just that you
dad or you like Gimme the fuck out of two Pangaea. Can you what am I doing in the dirt? I think it was a combination of a lot of things. So when I was eleven, my mother was going through a really hard time. She was dealing with some health staff and she lost her mother, and I think I, like I didn't know how to deal with her sadness. and so it was me and my mom independent, the middle of nowhere, I'm not allowed to each cheese, are not allowed to each other and not about, and then there's my dad and I go to see him for a couple days in there's like fucking tvs, and room and chopped hearts, energy people everywhere, all the time, and it's just like these two opposite world and as a kid you're just like that, one
Ah, it's so funny. Looking back and life, thank God for the time I did have with my mother, because that's the experience that makes you kind of you know, I think, a deeper person at an artist and connected to nature. That's the foundation yeah exactly so. My dad asked if I wanted to live at home, and it was big, really exciting, and I also mean I want to spend more time with him, and I don't but only see him for a couple weeks here and there, and I bet you knife, I wanted to just it's no At our end, it pops up open at that I did and then just culturally to Miami is so different from allay in general and an even more different from two panda yeah. I was crazy shaft and I answered not liking very much funny. Like I had that experience and the one I was fifteen demanded that we move to New York, where I went back to a welder school, which is where my mom put me in kind of return to my more wholesome holistic
and for people, don't know about Waldorf. My limited understanding of it is like the kids play with wooden blocks. It's very tact, all right, they're working on social dynamics as much as anything that academic academically that's it, I'm I'm. I'm absolutely adds a photo. While there is a philosophy that was created by would have Steiner end, the classes are all very small. The lessons happen through conversation. Is posed to lecture, make your own textbooks by writing things down and actually like making a book. So it's also about kind of physically using your hands and learn how to knit and crochet and dry than you also learned. Reading. Writing now at the right badge of thirty two, looking back preferable, oh yeah, I'm super! I myself
thirty one of the issues in the eighty eight yeah she's not for months on this, but I will encourage for so long you could die. I believe you do have a value of vast, MRS scary, as the date line up, it was my first real big failure of asthma, yeah asthma. There's a segment I do John stop on and generally I'm good at a boy did ice shit. The bed on this Thirty one. Ok, so from Thirty one year old, vantage point: yeah, I'm I deeply grateful to have gone to the schools, and I mean amazing friends there who one is still in touch with. You noticed it was an incredibly creative environment and I I knew I love performing, but I think also just being tapped into your created psyche in that way, that age creates a different kind of artist
Have you discovered Amy like gaping blind spots or holes in your educate, you're talking? Somebody can go all we never even cover geography or anything like that and not created at now. And it took me a while to my dad, took me out of this war? The first cool, because I was I dont, know how old, but I couldn't red yet away. I should and we later discover that I'm dyslexic amount has been part of it. He panicked and ends like you need to tackle a hundred I am too were less, lacks exhibiting yeah, and do you find that you can return? in oral information really like abnormally? Well that you'd compensated for that? you're saying young and I haven't really good memory. I can remember. Might that dialogue like that? remember song lyrics. All of that. My my thing is just like with burns. I can't remember numbers I give you two of my hotel room is lame one one to learn something I cannot remember, and
have to read really slowly and also, if I'm writing down numbers, I always like flip the first two always right. Can I give you my hat so when I check into my hotel room Bohme take a picture of it on my how do you do that? The idea is that now I did it. I know it a long time. I was just like why can't I it's three numbers? Why? Why can't? I know it yeah also parking garage, remittances, bang, a pillar in our very own money, twenty to drop our guard, Ok? Why so? I guess I got it on of a stay tuned for, if you dare, we are supported by honey look all shop online, I do almost all day long hiding pretty much exclusively
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I think maybe yeah, I think so again. Invite was we're very and again, it was like. I had this desire for like this normal life and I went to live it's weird hippy school, unlike couldn't, keep whatever and now I voted this place in Miami and it's like there's cheerleaders bears football teams there's like, So that's like buccaneering hold your awry total I mean turning the well. The girls were doing at our age is like scary. These kids are grown up to them. Draw drugs tries acts, but somehow young off makes me sad, a big bout yeah I mean there's a whole in others allowing rap music and why wearing shorts, that our light weigh up your ass for the flight. you look back and let your fifteen brow there's a few times right came back for Christmas Break or whatever and I'd come back in some like type brazilian g.
Like my eyebrows were gone and my mom are you fucking kidding me, your MA must have been panicked when you would turn. I mean yodel opposite of what she was crafting for you and I come back again like with like no around like weird make upon in life and like gene that are like way to tighten way too well. I had a dream that had light tat pain. on the but sure, and my mom is just like no dear now. Ok so yeah the New York and then you returned or Waldorf thing, and then things were hunky dory and then you went for a year to college in you studied acting for that year. Is that correct,
yeah? You know I feel like I was enjoying high school, so much actually which and allowed people down relate to, but I really was that all of a sudden you know school was ending, and I had really thought about college that margin. Sunni perches had a person come into school in kind of tell us about the programmes they had their in. The acting programme sounded interesting and I kind of through together pretty fast, because again I wasn't really planet and one college would aspect where you loving about high school, and this was in New York. City road is in New York. I just have this amazing group of friends who were really really close because it was on this in a wonderful small. What, while their school, there wasn't really any clicks and it wishes sites. There was not a drama that kind of thing. It was just like this good group, the kids all in our artistic. In some way it was like this wonderful collection of people and the greatest buds and newer disciple would make me
is it can sing in smoke Weedin they can the park, and it was just like a really fun time and I think of her head when you're living in New York you're free very early on in the car you now you just kind of I jump on the train and like go hey on Stoops and it wishes to do is to fund time in kids grow faster. There too, it is because of the environment. What was the drug lecture you got? You know, I don't think I ever gonna drive lecture. My mom is, I was sixteen years old and I guess her. My father have had a conversation about the fact they knew I was smoking weed because they could spell it or whatever. It was Christmas. I was visiting my mom and she brought up weed and I thought I was in trouble, but then she pulled out a joint and we went to the took a walk in and walked to the orchard and sat in the trees ends and the high. It was great and I think the whole thing was always justino. Schoolwork first would have your story took it
crazy. Turning like men, she pulled in eight Bala, like I don't know you like to get where I wrote the script draining. The Denzil character is actually based on my mother's that one fact. Ok, so you start working on pretty darn quickly and you you do eight episodes of telephone occasion. I remember that and then you you quickly, you get into x. Men. Did you embrace your name or did you run from it? I thought about not evil. I thought about this going by my middle name is about as it is about a kind of trying to do it, but it just like didn't stick and people captain forgetting and it just like it.
One was responding to back this idea had like I did. I would tell my agent- and it was happening also think I mentioned it to my dad at one point and I think I could feel the he made him a little sad and so yeah. I guess I just part of stuck with it and you know I did used to be really insecure about people just associating me with my family and and now I love it. I am so proud of them and it can be such a roller coaster thoughts right cuz. I even had it like originally when Kristen and I would work together, the most insecure side of my brain would be telling me people were going to think. I was only in it cuz. She got me in it, so I didn't want to work with her cuz of that and then then she was
my movie, that I wrote directed and then I thought people are going to say. Oh, she did me a favour by being in the movie but mind you. No one said anything. It was all completely in my mind and I was like I enjoy working with her, so I'm gonna fucking do that and stop thinking about a, but even a small thing like that. I would get neurotic about what the perception was. Totally people would only saved me. You know I've, never gonna, I'm right with your dad and I believe no and unlike, why me now why my responding so violently tat idea you, but you you wanna zones that you ve earned what you God and you made it on your own, like it's all very, I think be insane if you didn't have those fears, no totally, that I think in the moment, you're not even clear about what it is registered I would never do that would be stupid, you're not like, but now I think, I'm in a way to kind of car. My own path, like it's, not a clear thought like that, it's just immature
but when you got in this movie with fast banner and James MAC of open involves, is great director and rose Burne was there, I, like oh fuck, em in the big leagues right out of the game, Did you have any kind of fear or were you like bring em? You know it's funny. I just realized recently that that was about ten years ago, which is so nights when you were twenty two I'm kidding around twenty one. I looked back and I think there was a part of me that was just like ok. I also never really thought I was gonna. Do these like that, the kinds of movie that only saw myself doing were kind of cool small, weird ending, these and I kept poking his big action movies. I think it's because those were the additions where I was like yeah right and who cares yeah really wanna, which Maria I didn't want it may also there was no. I was gonna, get it either.
So yeah man. So I came. I don't know. I think I was pretty casual about it, which is so funny and looking back it was a huge stepping stone for me, but I think I was like current expenditure to fly. Did you ever rob yourself of experience, as I did this, where I was too cool for things? Yet I did them and then all I really did, as I kind of rob myself of being present and experiences, I'm sure, I'm a man, I'm Yahoo, Peter, I'm probably doing right now you are to go over the internet. A lot of people are so don't flatter yourself. Now I had a couple big questions kind of like overarching questions, because you really go from most actors. Ninety nine point: nine percent of the actors donning work so or start. There then point one percent of them work enough. Oh ninety, nine percent of them never end up in a sequel
and then you're in some franchises, which is exciting, but there also really time consuming you're. Also in your twenties and there also movies that are huge and on location, so im wondering you kind of just touch on it, but did you have a theory on what your career was supposed to be what you are trying to create and then also what is like to just never be home through your whole twenties that could either rule or in the period we are kind of defeat I mean who your are, could rob you of the larger. I definitely didn't have a plan. I said no to a lot of things. One thing I realize I was very lucky about was that I had a little bit of help. It wasn't. You know my don't give me a little bit of money. Just like start off and he's always originally palate
Ass, for my fur can was the one time giving money and there were definitely. There is a point I was like: ok fuck, I haven't worked long timing, but on a hominid pay, my right by I did have the luxury of being able to say no to a few things when I was younger, which I think is really important. When you're trying to sculpt career to emit signals, we bore whole career to learn to say no and most people don't have the luxury they just need to fucking plainer met so that something is very lucky to build. Do I guess I did work a lot, but there's a major lulls in between the things that you are talking about. Like I left college- and I was eighteen sailing- went from like half a year so from eighteen to twenty? I was hanging out in Brooklyn hard or carrying out infrequent. I'm doing anything went to London for six months are allowed to do x, men and then came back on them was again just in Brooklyn doing nothing for maybe another year or something like that before the divergent thing starts, you know actually was mad max and then
divergent, oh, that makes sense because apparently took forever for that and yeah yeah. I think my next cannot after dash approach, it came out by their that's. Probably the thing you ve been in that I have the most questions for her simple. Most road warrior defined. My childhood, I was on the big wheel. Every day I was mad max. My brother was chasing me so with great anticipation. I see your movie it delivers on so many levels. The entire movie is one big action sat piece: it never stops. I wondered how the hell he kept track of Oh yeah, what do we need to do? We nine shouts the a guy with a guitar. I mean what have fuckin circus in early, your career where you kind of like oh this is this nor more. You aware that this was a spectacular experience. I think again, looking bathroom. I was so young, but I was just along for the ride. I wasn't attached to anything back home. I don't have a boyfriend of that kind of dust.
That's not how your eye or South Africa in the media. We were in this very small town called swap on Monday and there's nothing there, there's nothing there. There is so very, very kind of poorest shanty towns and then there's Some weird kind of big house is that a lot of a lot of german people vacation there is a lot of weary energy. His hair sure do you the german cosmical port. So there's just like weird, like residual shit, I'm at that age I think, about right. You're, just like cool went what times my flight and where do I go, and also near in Namibia, and you don't even think what this is gonna be like it was nine months. Why we're in almost every shy Where does in the back of the car my work? Always there were all away from our homes We're living in these like big houses, but there's like nothing around there's one restaurant and can go to issues. It was a really weird experience in them
and all day in the sand. dense, and you do so. You're crazy. Like you all went inside, we all went and say you know, and large Miller, who I just I love him. So much isn't he's an amazing artists and he was so specific about, even though we have been little dialogue. You noticed women were what they had gone through. We did, I too, of course, would even she's amazing woman she's a performer, but also has this incredible place called city of joy in the Congo, where she takes in women who have been human trafficking and mutilated and horrible ways and she's just cheese. Amazing. Woman Michel's wrote the vagina monologues. These women were sex slaves, so did he know he really wanted us to understand the gravity of that and the fact that he took the time to even you know go deeper with, without especially when it's not in the dialogue, I think, was really special. He knew this story so deeply. He been working on for so many years. I remain
don't you know, he'd come up and give you direction and you'd close his eyes, and he would start talking. but he was seeing it in his hand. He was seeing and he was feeling everything really deeply. I mean, he's, really is truly a genius and they them anyone. you under their wing, because it's under your basically had like island fever, Yeah, surely is really cool she's south Africans? Are she felt way more at home and she would have dinners at our house and her mom was there with her, and that was really sweet. and you know- and we also hear me- really go way back and abuse Gabby Lease one of my dearest friends to this day in the call I had worked with doing x men, so we have arrived rule but there was like it was like summer camp. I turned into like a whore. Movie summer camp a little, but it was always scheduled for nine months, or did you just keep going over and always scheduled for nine months? Actually, I was second person. They cast. I read with different actor that they haven't hired Tom Hearty get down. There were still,
what kind of matching people up and they shall be able. It was me The time is now no tax it's from our man. I don't look good in many other gear. They can't they cast me and then that was when it was supposed to be shot in Australia and they were supposed to shoot at this place called gonna captain with a name written but it was an area that was desert and then it range and abnormal amounts that year and it started scowl these flowers and treat eminent grass sorted popping up and they are linked. We can't but can shoot here, so they hadn't, I think times crush all of the vehicle. find a new location and the movie got pushed a year alone. The sounds like apocalypse now yeah. We didn't rewards hearts the darkness. The dock, yeah yeah, I just showed two nights ago for the latter sobered, so crazy, so crazy.
Better than the movie that that dialogue, not only say it's crazy documentaries, just as good, if not best year, what arrived so yeah. Personally, I myself. This must be nine months in year before we shout it and in Austria and in Austria. Ok, so then you do the divergent series and again ass. You do three of em, but these all came out like every year there the new one yeah. It's summers, Lana three to gas resources. imagine and in a certain respected it privately been on tv show. Did it a little bit like we're income returning like new season, almost yeah, did I mean those bombs in own with all due respect. Those were my favorite sounds like made, and I think that He went on the story, really kind of got lasting and no one really knew well we're doing any more, and that makes it really hard. I'm happy to go wherever if I know what we're making in wine, but once you lose sight of that, it becomes really
I think it depends on when it is too when you're like running away from something in your like what and why and its million degree it's just like. You can't see anything. It's all seen. G yeah! That's right! That's wrong! It's embarrassing rhyme! If that's what it is given a fancy taste is probably wanted. An apartment New York is that we are aiming for a one in an apartment, to collect roles rises to people, dont know how to I like the bog one you have said, Some are rising In the end, the real thing in New York is I've already put them right. I thought you bought juries I'm here. Parking garage off your ones Royce opens up, isn't at the bottom of his house right, it's a part of his house or something World rural Bawler uncle. Ok, so and your lan right in another franchise. You go into fantastic bees. Well, what I will point
how is that, with the franchises I've been depending on how you see it like that you're not lucky, but got killed off in both x men and it has to be so called all right. You know it. You were saying in overturning over and over again is difficult, and so I ve got kind of result. Then the thing that weak and soon the mouse was big little lie. I love that long. Big little lies with the pattern, I'm recognising as like just a bunch of real gunslingers that you keep finding yourself in the middle so like that show if there was ever a matriarch show and like the most powerful publish Ladys and there at the reins? Was that inspiring? Did you feel, like I don't know, Ah, here, like the any number of things could have resulted from that. I think I experienced a lot of feelings, those being to them
but I think ultimately I just felt a very lucky to be here. It made me work harder because I would think to myself: I'm not gonna, let my performance ruin but these amazing women are due painting. Does it really is non sampled shown. So if there is one person, that's not doing their job, I think the whole thing, falls apart, so I really wanted to do well just to keep their amazing performances intact. Tina yeah, there's like there's two layers happening, so your character on the show is this. Of course anyone sphere. The man has left his wife. Now he's got this much younger woman. There's a cup layers that goes out because you're playing that role than people like hunker under their character, in a way that its like a bleeds over a little bit outside of scenes, and so
I could imagine if I were you I'd, be like I'm playing the other younger women, but I also have to be careful that I'm not triggering in any way that I am a young actress that is, you know at the peak of your youth powers I think you're staying there might be a massage into question. I just checked myself that might that might be, I don't know, but I have all our young guy. I don't understand what your question is. I don't think I fully understand your question. Ok, so my question is your character is basically a threat to these women? Yes, does your young, bohemian and hot you're also the young and Bohemia hot in real life. I'm wondering if I would walk into that situation as you bein a little egg Shelly of like oh, I dont want to assume the real life character that I'm playing in this show how lemming any sense, but I, but I am wondering if I would ask a guy, I dont know if I'd ask a young do that was in like those so well the movies
and, yes, I suppose or whatever, but as the young guy like did, you feel like you were threatening to those guys know that shit you possibly checking yourself, but be I'm not offended by your question, but I appreciate you think that Now I do know it's funny. I didn't really think of the cat. I think the way that you are thinking of the character might be like a little bit more massage mistakes in the way that about the character, but you didn't define Bonnie as someone who was like young and hot and moving in, I was like ok, there's a woman, I fell in love with somebody in his ex wife is having a hard time with that, and she also has an abusive passed in life. What does that mean it out like why she's in this relationship and why she's in this place and she's constantly trying to keep her emotions in check and her anger in check, which then at the end of the shall we realise she's not really able to do so. I think I was thinking about it differently I was also very into the element of her that we like I'm not as hippy dubious. She is I'm not gonna worry over close at my own house or any other class unanimity in their right mind that annoying and so was
I'm Celine into that. You know it was really fun to pronounce Peru Baruch. That made me want to push myself saying, so I am very conscious of that element of botany yeah, I'm sure you could have drawn on your to paying Oh yeah, I didn't. I wasn't always I was kind of like channeling made. My must not be able to do a shift when she watches you. Does it take your mom, I mean, did you fuck and finally, by a tv so I hope you gotta get her only you. Ve got lighter still doesn't every tv No, she relevant, surely liked the show she was really into it and when season two came along she was it was find a watch. Her get addicted due to a show like that, because she's, so I'm not that person by its money the thing that she hadn't resonating with the most was high fidelity, and I think it's because it was the closest to me as a person. So she got to really see just my personality and I thank you:
I recognise that yeah. That would be cool because the hardest thing the learn to play. My experience is yourself: they never got an opportunity to become the characters. I was playing a funny. She was you know very funny, and I think humor is: is one of money strengthen one of my birth, but all my family, my mom and my father's, while we'd love to laugh, you know, I mean so you're such a huge part of how we communicate in how we deal with pain and all of it, yeah, I'm with you now, so I watch high fidelity. First and foremost, it was a movie right with them. It was, images he's acting also that John Cusack, who, as a kid he kind of represented all of us tall, ganglia guys that weren't, yes, the quarterback on the football team also all right, dude that didn't have a voice. That's right! That's right, excluded, white males who have no voice
so I have a nostalgia for that movie. I was curious to see how this tv show would be in the thing that I think they got beautifully. Are you guys got beautifully is as this like laid back pacing, it's more like slice.
of life III. I think it's specially in an era where I can. I consumes so much cereal ized content and I gotta see the next one, and this is how it was just like this great mistake reminder of like oh yeah. I love watching people fuckin chill out and go through life in, like that, the little tiny specificities of just being alive in a growing up, my favorite kinds of movies, where those slice of life stories about nothing and everything at the same time- and I lived in an empire records in reality- bites and clerk in others were always paid. My favorite kinds of sounds singles singles myself life, oh sure, sure I just love watching people have conversations, and I wanted to hang out with those people, and that was, I think, a big part of tat.
By creating an environment that people want to. Hang him in ya. Think when I was younger like when I was in mites one is, I guess I was. I was really trying to figure out what identity I was going to hang my hat on and those movies to me were providing these really interesting options for identity. While The idea that, like being slacker too, which is a very kind of nine these idea. You know him yeah, but there's always been something really interesting about that slackers they have them. to say, but they don't want to be a part of society in their stock and the sooner we identify with that, and I think that's part of the reason why the pacing the show is what it is, because you know it isn't about having like cliffhanger that you know you have to come back and see. I think it's just about like caring about people and their relationships, and if you carry you, aren't you have them again in our yeah. This is neither here nor there, and I debated whether not to tell you this or not, but I'm not I'm gonna. Here we are so. I had sold something to show time like four years ago it was called the fictitious life of
a hall, so it was gonna be about their hall from HOLLAND out in the eighties, but an entirely fake version of his life. But then each episode would culminate in one of the songs that you know, but you be like. Well, that's what Sarah smile was about anyway. It's so I wrote this pilot and the co lead of this show was this jamaican housekeeper that Darrell Hall had that he has this affair with that she's, really GIS tricking here and Sarah smiles about her. You find out in the pilot anyways. I wrote it for you and we had this long conversation. My wife and I was like I've written this role for Zoe. And what do you think about that? And she goes well. I think it's very dangerous, but I would want you to do it. So you have my blessing. I love her. I love you guys, you guys you're such a miracle couple, What I did I ever get: what happened? No, what happened was there,
did I want to do it and ultimately, things unravel, Darrell Hall in getting his life rights and I was having breakfast with them and was like one day. It was good and then the next day he was getting scared he's like what do people think? That's my real life, and I, my god, but it's called the false history of Darrow Hall Bubble, so it in yup unravelling for those reasons, but it when I'm very flattered, I don't think I've ever viewed someone I just blind arouse our role. Are we something else. Very yes. Yes, I mean that. Ok, when I was writing that David Nevins, who run Showtime? I was like yeah. It's got this at this got to be Zoe. Kravitz he's like oh, my god. That would be great, then we're like. Can we get Zoe Kravitz for a tv show blah blah blah, so I've had this whole experience where I have sat with other people debating whether or no would do a tv show, and so I only say that to say that I know you have a lot of options. So how did you decide aid do tv and then be that it would be this project?
why not obey little eyes broke the seal for the tv thinning anything. Obviously, television has evolved in massive way now that we have all these streaming services. So I am also very wary of the rebel. As I know, a lot of people are begins. It can goes terribly terribly wrong and I think a lot of people they see these reboots, especially when you have a good gender swap and think in no way is the fucking point, I read high fidelity as a kid. I saw how fatality, obviously, when I got a bit older, but remember I'm almost in the movie and I love the movie like it wasn't because my Mama's in it I just love the fucking Libyan identified with these people and the person and identified with the most was the She sat character was the rob character, and so, when I heard that they were doing this it just it sparked my attention, because I have really seen a female character like that and, of course, those that they flee baggage but it was also about her relationship with music and pop culture and we live in this world.
for some reason, those cinema sports music? They ve been like put into this box where, like men, go and women aren't supposed to be passionate about those kinds of things, and I also felt really protective over the property, because I had the love for the film and for them, but yeah and met with no corn being near him have become really good friends, and it was really really important to me to do the show with a lot of love and respect, and I really wanted to protect the original town and keep the kind of like punk rock feeling, I think you know it heads it's it's a romantic comedy, but it kind of has like punk, vibe, timid and Part of me did this shell, so I could protect that yeah, but that that mail female thing is interesting because you're right it doesnt, really exist in media. Yet also said there is some true to it. Like went growing up boys get obsessed with
stats of baseball players and if they like, music, they gotta know who the fuckin sound engineer was, and I believe that that ultimately is all grasping at control. I think so many other things we all do has some element of controls. What's I'll give you you completely understand every single little sliver of this thing, you're interested in it gives the elite region of control and even know what your character is like. She wants to bring everything back to music and she's only comfortable when she's spouting off these facts, and I it to me it does feel like an exercise in controlling somewhere I think you're. Absolutely right, though, a thing that you love the most you can control, because it's not a person right. You can't do anything to hurt you. I also think that men are able to you of your obsessed with your baseball cards here, obsessed with
dungeons and dragons, whatever the fuck. Your obsessed with you like to talk about it. You like this is my thing. I'm obsessed with this thing and women. It's not cool to be obsessed with those kinds of things like you're supposed to just below. into guys or into innovation, her hair or whatever the fuck people think that women are? do you know any? I don't think women feel comfortable girls, uncomfortable saying I'm obsessed with this. I love is in my opinion, a mocking changed my opinion. You know what I mean. I don't think that's really something now society says he can do yeah, I would agree I was also really excited to explore a character and trying Cree a character that people would love for a long time. He now might when my favorite chose to this day, sex in the city, and that was a huge inspiration in, and that is another reason I want to do the show and I wanted to write a love letter to New York and the way they think sex in the city was a love letter to New York. The thing I loved about sex the city. So much was that I really felt like a captured. This sitting. I lived in
I was younger, I would still like. I know this place. I know these like walking talks. I know like just this. The situations and I really wanted to do not for a younger generation and end. You know obviously sections that these problematic in some ways. Now we look back and look at the way that people of color in them when there was a little weird, you know who is excited. You try and bring that element to in a world with people who were in our different diversities and sexual orientations and talk about like a different kind of neighbourhood. But still does I bring this place to life. I think was something I was excited. Him stay tuned for more armchair expert. If you dare, we are supported by best fiends look. We all need a break now and again, but why not keep your brain active while you relax? That's why I
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joined yeah kind of or just like. We have a history feels like you know how some easy you have like a way. Cartier personality that, like only your friends know from when you were young young, have that same part of our personalities. If that makes sense, and being together right now and corn has been so fucking great you not first, it was like. I can see how those girls, especially being in a relationship where we're like constantly travelling and stuff, but he's just now, yeah. But I put a real, real magnifying glass on some things that we had not been discussing because when you're busy you can just kind of shoves Davos. yeah, that's as you, but maybe we'll get to that in a yeah. There's something really awesome about it. That is like pushing a restart buddy yeah Y got up. I got assume that this whole thing is going to make a lot of people get divorced in a lot of people have our relationship with IRAN and China, that the divorce pray went like skyrocket,
yeah yeah, then, and finally make an insane mouth, all these chinese women were like now you're, I don't that prison. I have been around each other. This uninterrupted, since we met twelve thirteen years ago, like this is our all new Amelia. Now we had a real rocky couple weeks there, but there now. on the other side of it but yeah, I got a gala dicey if its rocky for, as only because I was some freaked out when this whole thing started. I was if the world ending like is, as you know, and I will just broke down cry and then I would say we and we have to distant everything and then I would order a pizza, and I cried. I ain't the pizza because I was like I didn't disinfect the box properly. You like it is. It was such a maniac and in one of the reasons you so great is that he put up with my psychotic behaviour.
if she should flick. Yes, we re it's really fertile ground for these, like kind of historic evolutionary archetypes that genders have so like me, is the guy is like fuck. This bring it on I'll kill this virus. My wife is appropriately responsible and worried and then my attempt to make her feel safer ultimately makes her feel more scared. You know it is really right for all these weird kind of dish in old gender things do like to fix things like they want to fix it exactly that. Wasn't anything in our relationship early on us like start trying to fix things of that, because it makes me more upset. Yes, it's sort of to listen to your problem. Just recognise! Oh you just wanted me to listen to it, not to galvanise that I feel like my role is to solve. Whatever issue exists, and then we get more man like. Don't tell me what it is just some just telling you what I feel. Yes,
are they really are able, even when you learn that and recognise that pattern is still just keep pops up every five seconds I mean it comes out of place. Love and also feeling uncomfortable with that you know you're like let me fix it. This is that, like the way these fields just wait an hour and we find do you think you have a baby, I don't know that's a triggering question? I noted triggering questions well yeah. I used to find it very triggering, especially because well one you get married or engage the first thing. People ask, you is wondered and haven't baby. I think it's what they ask women, not men, sharpshooter right. So that's all annoying. Also a lot of people asked the question: when are you gonna have a baby we're saying things like one: when the baby, I really get offended by people assuming that that's something I have to do because society says so
the up. Yes, I don't know, I don't know. I write down, certainly not in a place where I think I'm able to do that because of work and also just men, and I, like my free time, yeah as some of you, kids, you know every country at all all so I do not see it. No, I have a lot of female friends who have always known they want to have kids and parties like jealous of women, who just now right the certain, now asylum people who know what they want to do for a living people who don't you know it's a luxury to know. You want to do all in your head, and so I don't know Ok, well, Zoe! We we love you. I adore. You were big fans. Thank you. You! You in your mama tie
So I ask that it's a nice can only be one of your mom's got angel heart gone four months like fully the winter we have, which is fully. The line is because, when I read about your husband and one of the things that came up was that he had been in a controversial movie with undue elated sex, which I had never even heard that term until lately that what was the turn on simulated says. So, tax. I don't know why they called it unseemly elated by just say sex but anyways. When I read that I was like, oh that the long time a Hollywood war is that make Iraq in your mom had sex in that That's true! I never dare to ask see it until I was image mid twenties, because it is this like thing and I was like that people would always Brianna yeah
Probably don't I always all, but but I just think good for everyone every day for the world. You ve picked up these rumours sets by now right? The other famous one right is Billy Bob Thornton in day out. yeah you ve heard that Roma rights. I have heard that murmur I also heard the rumour when I was it you that Marylin Manson took out his ribs wicked second, yeah. That was a big rumour in the nineties. That's a great rumour! That's a fun! Podcast episode give you do a whole. Just like rumour Ike rulers. We could back when I was still drug attic. I did a massive amount of cocaine with him, so I do feel like I would be comparable asking him that Oh you will do it in the first check. Your ass are I'm on a very proud to another person. That's a connector that
I'd rather not, but although it now and then go to this, I think you should do it cannot act or drug dealer. Here is the true. So my best friend from childhood was staying with us, we're all quarantining together by the wayside. Six of us did you have. Did you have citizens now now? We got a rumour too, that I had a rumour. Oh, I was corn teen. You were right, I know what happened because because I have been in Texas and they were already quarantine. I came home in quarantine here and Monica Apartment for a low pay, and then I was allowed to come back to my house. I think that's probably what's going on the point of my childhood best friend air Weekly was here who have known since we are eleven and we were just last week. We're talking. I said, You did try to suck your dick right, negroes o a thousand times- and I said yeah me too, and it was so clear It was never going to happen anatomically it just now gonna happen, but it's like when someone tells it you can't ever like you're on labelling. You're like a fuckin can ages try, yeah
try, but it is here it so weird for a guy is, I have to assume a high percentage of guys have tried that, and yet you don't really think the whole thing through. So it's like ok, what if I could get it mildly and then what am I gonna really enjoy. Then I cannot be so distracted. I would be more aware of the feeling that a penis was in my mouth than that. My penis was in a year, but I, like you, forgot to masturbate. It's a sign up. It's the same thing in yes. Yes, I think in that way, who cares your d jerking yourself off? Who cares but also I just do think you'd be overwhelmed, the sensation of others I have, I can feel a penis. Am I let you get up quickly well, it turns out there Marilyn man's and removed his ribs, and it worked. I am open to the press, and then I can at least I can make an answer to questions we set up here down. The road
he removed his rams just because you wanted to have a small room cage and then I realized after unintended benefit. Look at this check. This free book collateral benefit? I lied about very I adore you save corn caning, and am I really hope, you'll come to our attic in the future. That, thanks for having me it's nice to see human faces yeah, you can come and talk about the admin yeah abandoned. I welcome talk about an hour. I be well. My favorite part of the show the fact check, with my soul maiden Monica bad men. So you're, a glass of wine yeah yeah. What time is it through? Seventeen o perfects, perfect, perfect, six, six, seventeen in New York, I asked if I could- and you said, yeah yes, but it seemed seem like Europe a little, not excited about me. A half one goes on your head.
but generally when I vow to drink, why you get really excited. I do yeah you cited for you. If you don't get excited this time, so I got nervous, you said, can have it recommends a great, but then you heard too early. That's what you heard right when I say great yeah, I guess let's reenact manoeuvres my I got your great: is it too early? Now you go it's not too early to respond, as if I actually said the thing you heard, I said way makes perfect what you said great. You said the way you do so I talk I'll. Do it I'll? Tell you another version of this. Do you like this teacher gap? Why do you hate it so much You see what I'm saying I heard I heard what I wanted to hear. I you like. I don't think that's fair to me. Necessarily. I didn't hear anything me. I didn't hear that you said you
hated hygiene. I know that you did but less for ten. You heard it's too early icy Argos again eminence mine. Is that call your great you things too early? Will you think it's the early, that's a spy and each time I know this is a scene. Where do I go in Delta, tries to tell people how to play house where per telling them what to say. I can't stand there were no worship, God, I not a whole, and I just want to see how funny you sound, but you're not going to do it. So I that's fine. I just want to see if it sounded really funny for you to respond, as if I said another thing: ok, fine, Are you sure now exists is peer pressure. Not now that I'm that's mine is that core of great not too early in the Lee neurons great now, but you said Grey the other one hour that thank you for that
showing your welcome idlers, plagues podcast today, who it's different, like tailored to each stage of grief and so anyway, so for mine she has a character called in secure Irene, ok, who, when she feels insecure had to do a little bit of a character or you did why it was part of it. Oh, wouldn't tell me more, so I want to give too much away, but it's called heart homework, its awesome, it's about the grief and I was in one of the episodes and so there's an exercise she does with with each person. I think it's different like tailored to each stage of grief and so anyway, so for mine she has a character called in secure Irene. Ok her when she feels insecurities like its insecure Irene like given it a voice, and so then we have to do that and then I started to panic smells like. Oh, my god. I want to do a character, idle, do
character rye, although you do you do metal MIKE by yeah, I did it the guy from Bless, my similarity in that's a euphemism there, the guy who lets people drive under the wind of here anyway, that's a nonverbal character? I do it's all in the eyes, Ria, metal, very physical, but this had to be far because it was the podcast. So I started to get panicky then I well, I think, I'm cool a year as you are well, you you're, like Jordan, you rise. The Asian went like eat their things. You darling you could do, but if, if duty calls you'll do them speaking yellow get into my first, I have to say: if you have such a girl, I spoke out of turn Ok is another turn around a term. I don't know how I got her both things. I thought it was out of turn as
like you win, but yeah, I the essence. What does speaking out of term mean speaking out of turn, so I'm wrong is just its charm. It yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, ok, while phrase. If you speak out of turn or talk out of turn, you say something that you do not have the right or authority to say what they are. What had you said I stand by a bit, but He said that Chapelle all is around significantly more impressive than Michael Jordan. I dont think I says they knowingly labour right. You said he's the Michael Jordan of Comment, and I said well you to me even more impressive than Michael Jordan rocked already a new. Since that day we have started the last stand: stock, humanity, honest piano, which is about the bulls, the ninety seven, ninety eight bulls season, and mainly Michael Jordan. I just say anybody is
can compare anybody to him; it's not fair. Well, here's what a guy in the documentary said- and I have seen at my mind over and over again exists the greatest sentence. Michael Jordan was is good at his job, as anyone has ever been at their job in history I just love that it's the truth that her appearance, the truth is he he's may just as the best that there's ever Bennett the job. Do you think I'm the Michael Jordan, podcast producers, yeah sure I heard because what it kid you say also evenly two years and he did of her thirteen and he had six championships in what am. I am Michael Jordan, awhile Will you also to say, though, that you had next zero interest in watching a basketball documentary, but that this basketball vacuum?
so well done that it's when you favour documentaries ever an assignment topic, you're interested in its not accept as soon as it started. I was like. Oh, this is like made for me because I love love stories about champions. Yes, winners and working hard and in achieving I'm so drawn to those stories because Kristen as the first episode with us when we were talking about it and she was like what is it and then you are like. Well, it's a story about a hum. Jordan and that's and then I ran up and said it's a story about winners. That is really what it is a story about, and I love it, and I know you aren't gonna like that. I'm saying, but I can really of course yeah you ve won state a state the employer to Tuesday championships. but but I knew by the way there was one moment in the documentary, and I said something and I
I knew as it was coming out of her. Mothers was going to land differently. I knew that I intended vows, he may the game winning shot with two seconds left jumps in the air in fucking pumps, his fist and I go You and I will never know what it's like we'll, never know what it feels like to do that, and I had a hunt you were like will now I one state championship, but I was thinking. there wasn't a seat. Was there a singular moment disdain championship where the whole thing was on yours shoulders? Singularly. yes, and no because in cheerleading compared building as your member from cheer might hope. If you fuck up, you did fuck up for everyone, but every one has that ability rad during the whole competition to fuck.
for every single person. That's what I'm saying there was never a moment word you in the other team were tied and they sent Monica out there and said you have two seconds to win this for everybody that show that is their right yet like when you guys do perfect, it's a team. The team did perfect and you get a great score. Its findings are marching. Haven't. Am I gonna get us a mba championship? There is a huge deal, but whatever scale you're doing it in Vila like the whole world of core, like it doesn't feel like this. Is the georgian State championship of cheerleading? It feels like this is my whole life. and if we lose, my life is over and it was for naught yeah. It was like a big ol waste of time. That's what blows about sports in a marxist point of view is that the vast majority of people,
I now bananas, but I'm worried about you. although obviously use lots of the experiences of were the alien everything that I remember the experience now you I don't mean Do you remember the feeling of winning little or nothing by the experiences where you gain all the lessons? I would hope it's way more about, sharing the experience with this group of people and having community in the trophies drove me, but even if you lost still it had that exact same experience with the community up until the moment were yeah it's I think sports are so important. I really do team sport specifically that we should have done in high school. I was so into working. I wanted to be working every second, I wasn't at school. I was one we making money, so I could buy a sweet car all cared about, but now in retrospect ocean
play football or something I do not think you would like. Oh, I wouldn't you play basketball, because anything goes good enough. I played in eighth grade as on eighth grade team, and I but I would like our leading rebound her. I was a good defender, terrible shooter in August. The pressure at panic now is not a good shooter. In fact, one time I got a break away. I, like gotta, run bound or block something and wishes me out up Monica. I was so far ahead of everyone There is no reason. I shouldn't made this lamp. I would have never missed web in real life, but because it was the game yeah. I blew this fucking lay out the easiest, lots so surprising. To me well, can I knowing your degrees on yeah? I never had play baseball. I didn't like it around at my house. I did have a down there, they taught me so I learn done that team. Like I tried out, I had a desire to play, but the other kids had been plain basketball for foreign livelier. You just said you wouldn't miss action,
otherwise all around you didn't have the ability, but here was the rising second or third time. I had shot the ball when a game right, I'm not surprise you did it get and I am surprised that you fell nervous under pressure, doesn't seem match with their personnel, will thank you, Do you think I'm com under fire, but certain kinds of things I guess drawn here said party but I left now the only thing my dad ever had come to see me do oh so I'm going to add one more layer. Oh my god, it was against Highland Junior High, our crosstown rival, where I used to go to school. I started junior high Highland junior high so six years, returning to my my dad came, which he never ever came, and I blew this so easy to make shot, but it also is probably the reasons I wasn't just pressure in a basketball game. There is added pressure
your dad and these other kids who made funny you re out. Well, you well, we don't know about or download, but ITALY right. You know it's funny. If you were to ask me that day, if I cared right, I was there I would have said, and I would have really felt like demons. I know, but you do as I had long written them off in my, but but but now as an adult clearly had do. Yes, you of course dead. There's one more element to the story. I believe what a big day this was never happened. There was also the day that I beat my brother for the first time. I was thirteen and he was eighteen and I fucking one kingdom conceded Victory yeah, so also the most momentous thing happened on that same day. That's from those momentum
The lulli, if you been fighting your brother for thirteen years and getting your fucking ass, kicked and you finally win yeah. That's a lot bigger over the oven, scoring appoint a basketball. Ok. So this is probably why you didn't continue in sports. Why? Because you just said that statement that was way more, for it to you to anybody who now has been being who's been being physically control by another human being the day they break out of their chains in their free? Are you he had eaten by yes and no, I think some people channel a bunch of stuff into sport so for them making that basket. they all it basket. That sounds that sounds like not someone who knows what they're talking about you have a negative attitude. They made the shy spell that feeling would be ways like from Michael Jordan yeah making
a basket toy? Because we saw we? saw the documentary input with the big flame under Michael Germans. Asses Eddie was super competitive with his older brother and he wanted his dad's attend exactly so when I bet when he beat his brother in front of his dad. I bet that moment might be as big or bigger than any game winning shy. Ass ass, my point: it gets channel, it is a different thing, but it gets channeled into the sport and that that's the thing I'm gonna sell out. I'm gonna be the best tat and if he beat his brow So at the beginning we were talking about Killion Murphy, oh yeah, you figure out. If there really is- and we also have had this becomes Isham before, which is why can we commend it to me any did. He made hundreds a game winning shop.
There's only one moment where you finally victorious over you're older brother, that's the one and on anyway it's offend ass, tiktok and areas can be better of hay, Zoe, Zoe, cravats, so weak. So at them we were talking about Killion Murphy, oh yeah, you figure out, it's really. It is, and we also have had this composition before, which is. Why can we committed to memory? I dont workers fucking, see I hate the english alphabet before we move on from last dance. I just want to say We were supposed to interview Rodman a few months back and things fell apart, yeah, but it's one publicly say if anyone this listen halves, we friends with those Rodman. I desperately want to interview. I daylight here that our sound he asked me five hundred dollars.
from what I can I changed my flight. Remember all I changed my flight and I left a wedding in Michigan. like, for. I am bored and costs. a lot of money to do that and then cancelled about ten minutes before. Do it remembered diarrhoea or something well, maybe they go away and leave her diary over the last couple. Man I'm never cancelled. That's true me just take a bunch of have to. We do have a turn in the attic. That would be awesome if Dance Rodman, user charlot, an emergency situation that open doormat so one hundred m so that no one's head diary. I look forward to that cause I feel like. I would be to comfort him like he'd, be so embarrassed and I would just be older cut right through that the and put a good spin on network. That's like when I'd be up to bat. That's what I am game time now.
We know that all he wants to be liked and loved. I mean having diarrhoea opened or toilet is like the worse. They might never happened to him, so I hope it doesn't, but it could make us so close, words, if I went about down, he was sitting and you're being selfish or wait. What have you seen my guy hugged him while he was still sitting on the toilet, and I said this is awesome. Do this I love. In fact the soldier or sarcastic anyway, killin. Ok, did whole cones kids go to Miami Country Day. I dont believe so. Oh oh! Go! When I looked a brook Hogan his daughter. It said that she was on the chilling squads. She gets it. She very tall, yeah she's, coming back spot. Or a base in clear water Clearwater floor. All those Scientology hub, it is that's worthy spiritual centre-
of Scientology, clear water of LEO Florida. That's right! Oh my god! That's insane! Well, it's not what you think that I'm IRAN Herbert had been in the Navy and that everything in Scientology is based on nautical maritime. Like that's, why o t this? Although ranks are naval? Rang, laugh So it's on the ocean, wow! It's a sea, faring religion. Anyway, she went to clear water, Central Catholic, high school, ok, but it does say she only say that that school for the first time a freshman year. Now the saw him you know the sun killed somebody vehicular manslaughter situation. I did see that in my research upsetting it is very apt. Its upsetting for the person who was killed, obviously core and their family, their family for the son of a horse, s God, yellow with that and then Vulcan.
the holster, because when you're famous and your kids up boy, everyone knows it's already so embarrassing that your kids forgot, but if you're famous, then every interviews ever done sense by their bringing up this. This thing is kid: did I dont know that it's more painful than any other parent is experiencing it's a different set of Socrates and so painful in its its its painful privately. I think any at all. These painful things are best done, private reason, It's not private is relative right, like in the people in your community now and then you feel like affair at the grocery store and you see the person and they now like it. That's what you want all you want, your kids, a kill, someone in your city. This is people, no one with no knows our neighbours. No one wants to know. No one can blow it's. No one wants get the killing. What I'm saying if you have to pick a city for it to happen and in privacy, is your objective, prowling your say, your Mexico City or Beijing? These are
places small town, row, America, you're right, everyone Post office knows that Glens boy had a mishaps for every year anyway, it does not seem like they went to Miami country. Days is my conclusion: ok there's a whole bunch of country days, you're Detroit contradict yeah Savannah, today. My aunt went. There are real war on. I don't know what they're like elsewhere, but in Detroit that was one of the premier private schools, Yasser Arafat. He's gonna take weird that its private, but there, I guess all over. Are they all the same? They just a term like from the eighteen hundreds I said than any schools. like I'd, be aware, I am not an expert on fancies because, while we are, I went to well or other. I am an expert in fancy colleges and only another moment to be fair, were not experts on outward just of sycophants yourself.
Ok, so you said a lot of facts in a row quickly, all ninety I am point nine percent of actors. Don't work, then of the point o one percent that work than ninety nine percent of those never end up, doing a sequel so the hard hard numbers computer, but I think I might still be right, even though now boy impute hooker, because two percent of act, earn a living to ninety eight percent of actors are not earning a living. Well is the actors in the guild? Probably right? most of the actors and allay aren't even in the guilt. I was in for nine years before us in the guilt. I was going on additions from backstage vessels, the non or non union coming. I yes, then depends on like what do you qualify? When do you say that you are an actor? the near pursuing professional acting engagements all day long. I think here
actor, you know mean you got in a conversation went to the I've. I subsequently have this conversation with my dad cuz. We were watching John Oliver. There was a guy on mare. I forego what was happening, but he kept saying he was a geologist. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, the mere geology degree he had a geology degree. There He was not working in geology yet to see had another job, whatever user politician, I think that's what this must have been. Yes, he was a politician. He kept saying, I'm a geologist, Amabel, geologists, no, and I feel very adamantly that that person is not a geologist just because you have a geology. Decree does not make you a geology and you were arguing that with me, Kristen was a little bit too, and I just stand so firmly on that, and I brought that up to my dad. I wondered what his thought was: cuz he has to mass
tourists degrees and he has won in engineering and one in computer science, ok and he would never claimed to be a computer science test or a programmer or anything. Yet he has a higher education degree in that year. But let me ask you something: if some, if you graduate from Moscow and pass the bar, but you don't practice law, are you not a lawyer now and if Europe doktor whose pass the medical exam, but you don't have patients. Are you not doctor you're doktor? Now you are now I may I guess you could say now I would require so much qualification. I would say I studied medicine, but I never practised like that. Is it a deal out and other actors residency, probably together, medical, too As I had delay, I'm not a practising knocked. Ok for me. It's over
That goes a medical school does a residency and then goes into part that person still a doctor third doctor for life. They are either. If that person becomes a farmer there farmer who has a medical degree, or the there a doctor a doctor, I used to be a practising doktor. Now, I'm not. But I'm I totally disagree. I'm a razor not currently racing. I am, may stand up comedian. I am a sketch comedian, I'm in. rob comedian, I'm not doing any of those things now, but I am those things I'm an improv comedian. I am a race car driver. I am those things they don't go away, but his eyes I'm not a cheerleader. I. as a cheerleader you're, not doing something. I dont think you're that aim or I have two degrees. I have a theatre degree and one in
P R, I would never say I'm a publicist right. I just have an education and it's not the same thing: anyway, just an interesting. It's an interesting identity question I think it is my friend Duffy Username Seal is currently an abc over them. Other workers in a busy some things you do have for life is, I think, they're like stamp of like well, I don't know. Actually, I don't owe her Navy seal. I don't know anything about. I just know doves Navy seal, which is Craig. You can take that away from someone is like the most impossible thing to accomplish, but it's not taking it away to say he was a Navy seal, but he wasn't a use. He went through transformation that will never go away. I don't I don't understand the problem in saying I was like you have a problem with that you're because you
can pursue all kinds of different things that you can put stuff down and pick them up and put them down pick him up or not racing now, but I my race again next year, I'm not not a race car driver cuz, I'm at currently racing a car in I'll. Do it next year and I'm not not a stand up. Comedian Cuz, I haven't done up in a few years. I might do it to get you know like I just I don't understand why just like you cannot in. Why think it still relevant. I cannot see how you think, because you haven't done in a few years that you're not that thing. I think it's different for Hobbes, but it's it's a profession. It requires that you spend a lot of time, doing that or earn a living doing, that its control into your welfare in some way, if it's your profession hobby, they do think that's a different scenario, but I don't think I mean I just like if I ever said yeah, I'm a public
best and maybe like what a view and like I've done. Nothing absolutely nothing, but I have a pr degree. Will have on the whole, been policies is a very sliver of what people that major Pierre would end up doing so that when you said I'm in public, relations yard. No, I'm! U or will be insane if I said that in that's so offensive to those people who are split, Europe dedicated their life or putting an upper who are interested in learning more about it, I couldn't tell you one thing about what is going on in the world. A public relations work as a public relations is maybe my definition is wrong. What's the definition of public really relations, I think it's crafty me. Look it up. I think public relations is crafting the message gene in the brand tenants.
A company public relations is a practice of deliberately managing the release and spread of information between an individual org or an organization and the public swimming. Literally or in public relations. You are absolutely deciding what messaging makes it to the public on this podcast. and you have a degree in there and it certainly things you learned in that degree are factoring in dear decisions about what you do and do not released to the public and how you represent this brand arm, chair expert and how you percent Christians brand, your managing prisons, mainly you are the hers, I would say more public relations or the USA. It or not, and you have a degree in it now I mean I think it can work the opposite way. I think you can be a thing that you don't have a degree in a hundred percent. I think I think many
people are things that they didn't have a degree and that's how they spend their life, but I dont think it works the opposite way where you don't spend your life doing the thing you just spent four years getting a degree in something, and then you can just call yourself a biologist you ended up being an basketball player. You, I think, a guy who gets a degree in biology Ngos in two working on cars and a guy who gets a degree in biology Ngos and teachers at the high school and doesn't advanced the field of biology. I think they both have the same knowledge. I don't think there's a dick well, I don't think that's fair into the biology teacher ones like learning on that day. Every also, these things are all like the theme I learned in two thousands, eight or not,
Things are learning right now. Things have evolved, I'm just saying the degree of biology degree as a biology degree, there's a core course that you have to take, and you have to have a certain knowledge to walk out and say. I have earned this degree now, whether you take that knowledge and you go teach at high school or your mechanic, both people of the exact same knowledge. What they demonstrated is that they have a full and comprehensive understanding of that topic that what makes them a biologist there. My opinion then yeah, you know I don't agree agent. That gives them a biology degree. That gives me they d say I graduated in biology, the high school teacher. He used to say I'm a biology teacher, the mechanic needs. a mechanic, the biologist who is learned
every day who was researching everyday. Who is putting this into practice can say, I'm a biologist. I wonder what people think I think they're like who cares here? Maybe okay, so Seinfeld parking arise at the bottom of his house. It's a few boxes. Three blocks away, o whose grudges three blocks from his. How yes, but it's a full building right for, like multi story, parking grudge. All these articles were from two thousand, which is when he started building at debts. Twenty parking spaces. According to the articles I read,
While that may be sounds like just one floor, I don't think it is a little arise. Why do you know he sold most of those forces? So maybe, as even needed anymore, near did divorce rates in China's skyrocket after covered yeah. Lots of different articles said yes, a record high in in business insider. Its had a record high number of divorce requests in recent weeks, so with some districts even maxim out, the number of appointments available at local government offices of its whole area, but health officials say the increase, could be explained by two factors. First offices have been closed for a month and sensible backlogs yeah, so are likely hit by a wave of delayed request now that they have reopened. Secondly, many people have been quarantine and close quarters creating an especially inflammatory environment,
her marital feuding as a result of the epidemic. Many couples have been bound with each other at home for over a month which evoke the underlying complex it who's gonna go a little odd glimpse of what retirement will be like with your love one year as true another official told that global times that many couples regretted the procedure, which many does did your remarry within hours, all as I guess there, it can happen and, like thirty to forty minutes the process, all this while faster yeah, it provides an interesting conundrum for researchers who cannot decide on whether time spent together in close quarters is a good or a bad thing for couples in two thousand a teen, a study found couples who lived together before marriage had lower divorce rates in the first year, but higher divorce rates in the five years after Tristram. Another recent study found living together protected against divorce and one bound it made no difference, ultimately balances key psychologist, Rob Pascal and
who Primavera Phd said in the article four psychology today a mix of time with friends and family time together as a couple and separate time for each partner add to marital quality, as does an equal split between our circle and activities, and those of our partner can go back to the biologists. Conversation knows what are if I had to put on a spectrum, how definitive I am about that opinion weirdos. in about its fifty three percent. Ok, you know there are some things that will you- and I disagree about me around. A hundred percent think that yeah, I want to be clear- things only smidgen, I'm only smidgen in that category guy, just I'm leaning a little over to the side. Where would you say Europe? Ninety nine? I don't strongly about it in the way that I'm, like, I think about it every day and its importance to me. I just if that is the the option on the table. I have,
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