Sal you guys may have noticed something really weird happening in our pop culture. This weird thing happening in the circles of comedy like Sarah Silberman, suddenly realizing they cancel. Culture is bad Lucy K, realising the council, culture is bad Dave Chapelle, realising that cancel culture is banned. You're saying you have wait a second. None of those people are even remotely on the political right Mean Lucy case was the famous for shouting about Sarah Palin, private zone and Sarah government, mostly famous for shouting Baja Donald Trump, is the worst Orange man, whoever was orange and also a man. So what exactly happened here? The answer is that the radical left lost its mine and they took over a lot of the liberal woke sphere and what they decided is that jokes are now forbidden. If you make a joke, Then you must be cancel the Indus everybody. Everybody in comedy world disturbances he's Ansari as a whole bit about Chancellor Kohl.

In his new especial ultimately, I just felt terrible. This person focused way dismayed not just me, but other people be more thoughtful, there s a good thing, I literally every comedian is now, obligated to first apologized for all the bad things they done and then deride cancel culture which they should cancel. Culture is the death of comedy, see committee, have to exist on the edge comedians have to say the unstable that to say the taboo. A lot of comedy lies in saying a truth: everybody vines, deeply, uncomfortable or in saying something shocking, it so much comedy shot comedy where the shock itself is what drives the humor or saying something that nobody thought you would say, because it just with some you couldn't say that when you get rid of those aspects of comedy, not much is left in this way. You have seen so many on the political left, attempting to Firstly, redefine you see this in the reviews of Hannah Gatsby Hannah Gaddafi's, entirely many routine, saying, deeply unfunded things over and over and over by telling us

Had sex story about her life to the rave reviews of the of the reviewing community, the feedback. Apparently I was very disappointed in you shouted if I just don't think there lesbian content, online dodge the whole time. Those folks say that redefined laughter. She hasn't. She simply has trends. Formed the role of the comedian into a sort of social voice by the way Buddy highlights the crisis in comedy, like my friend mouthwash few videos going through the routine of these s, J W so called comedians, and I won't spoil it for you believe me. He is just one million times. Funnier is new Hannah gasping, it just came out yesterday. You check that over on his Youtube Channel and watches suffering. You be the comedians did both comedians did

commentary, commentary, nails and but the comedy came first now the comedy is gone completely. The as you might offend somebody and here's the thing about most comedy most comedy does offence conservatives for a long time have talked about the fact that most of the car, he's made in the nineteen seventeen, the male Brooks comedies, for example, none of us can be made today. Airplane could not be made today, so many funny movies can we made today, everything has to be cancelled, because its offensive to somebody and comedians are starting to pick up, why Jerry Seinfeld says he is no longer going to perform on college campuses. Why bother there's nothing in it? For him for this let me talk with a bunch of extraordinarily famous comedians people have made living making, people like you and me laugh, gives us really funny. There's a lot of humour in the episode but what you have said is really about. Is Americans from all areas of America's political life, recognising the comedy simply cannot survive in intolerance, environment made. If we can't laugh at ourselves then, who exactly is, can be able tell a job. So here's the thing: it's not enough for a comedian to before

it's that you the audience. You have to be self effacing. You have to be willing to take a arriving as a member of sort of the public sphere. Prisoners in the public. I've been targeted by comedians regularly and honestly, a kind of funded amusing. The reason I find it, is because most jokes about me and a kind of rope. I talk to faster spout, backs really quickly. I make arguments at sea CUP one and have another really really fast tactic. Here's one single pay, our health care system would actually do ok, folks, it would actually make doctors winner

slaves who would have the women cabins on a plantation somewhere? I folks end the idea and the idea that doctors are just your slaves. You can you? Can you now Mary without their consent in and make half doktor have regular people, babies with ok hold on what happens the babies? Are they now doctors at a slave doctors who have to be doctors unafraid like even now what gang? Okay? So that's why that system, which is never work? A lot about me. That's funny, because there's a lot about everybody, that's funny, but the american people seem to have lost a sense of humor about themselves. The only people who are expected to accept jokes about themselves are Christians, white males straight people it otherwise you're a member of a historically marginalized or victimized group. No one can ever make a joke about you, and not only that if we find a joke about you from like five years before and you don't like the joke, you can cancel the persons who will cancel Kevin hard on the Oscars. You just move beyond the Oscars any more. If you find a joke that he made a long time ago, about now. Wanting isn't it to if you are a comedian who made a joke years and years ago, where you dressed up as Harlem alone as Jim,

Himmel did, then you will be forced to go on a leave of absence, because the thing that was complete inoffensive, when you did, it has now become offensive, the lines are shifting. The lines are moving and comedians like nothing is safe and they are correct there. Looking back old work and realizing that that can get them cancelled. The purpose of council culture is to destroy a sense of humor A society without a sense of humor is also society. They can't look at itself and recognize human law. As this without a sense of humor society seeking utopia. The Soviet Union was not famous for having a sense of because every time you seek utopia, you first have to get rid of the basic human understanding. The people are flawed because we re as people are flawed. Utopia is impossible. So if you wanna make utopia possible first wipe away any vestige of humility of self effacement wipe away, any expectation that people gotta make fun of you and an instead put in place in arrogance assessment of the world in which no one is in don't laugh at you, and if anybody does laugh at you that, because the system needs change on this episode in the top with bunch of comedians about precisely these

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Very well more has been a television producer, actor comedian and writer for over twenty five years. Many people probably recognize him most as the senior black correspond. From his time on the daily shall with John Stewart Yellow student wrote his on the nightly show: with Larry, while more economy central created the Bernie Maxwell, for which one in any help launch Blackish ABC the creators of insecure, overrun HBO. You can hear him on the podcast well more black on the air, for he combines humor and the issues of the weak, encompassing sports, politics, entertainment and culture. So very, is just the light. We have so glad that that he decided across the island have a conversation with him. I warned him with several times that he would receive. Low back from his own side, simply for being in the same room with me, because that is the way that it works. Whenever somebody from left comes into the studio. I warn them, don't tell anyone. You are here because just gonna get crap from people, but Larry like you know what our even care edge whenever the conversation with it was fantastic, and for that I really think Lyric from episode five percent Larry and we discuss how comedies become politically one sided and no one major

that'll Burma for eight long years and how nowadays the media are going more for collapse, then for laughs. So I want to talk about the comedy side now so sure. So obviously you spell this out of money guys Finally, how can we go to another commercial? No, not yet ineradicable, eight November there there we're coming equipped with monetize you to the fullest possible. But let's let's talk about the committee worlds or I'm gonna, give you the conservative critique of the committee world your s. I've heard some bureaucratic, I am sure you have. I did one just he just couple of days ago and even Colbert herself has your question: why do you have a conservative critique, Kommeni? Likewise conservative cruelty? I think here the critical understands. What does that have to do with any of the critique is that today's comedy has become politically one sided. That's the consumer

Ok, but if you look at last night, what you're saying is Jimmy Camel? Who I have I will, I will say, I've used it from woke Pope to describe them the pope of and learn how to manage it. Starling Rancho by he's come a long way since its roots, since he was doing bouncing boobs with without end and then you ve got Jimmy Phelan whose basically been excoriated for the great son of touching down from her, and then you have though felonies he's not in the category there to hear Hee hee hee sort of move political after that happened specific. I may get a come out here to apologize for all this kind of snow and then you have called it whose obviously guerriere loud and proud bright, very much to the Lebanon for years. Did a bill rightly routine to mock him in and all that, and so a lot of conservatives look at the committee world and they say Why is this so one sided wizened there. Let, though, even looked back family to J, Leno and Johnny Carson, and at least these guys may jokes about both sides and Africans.

I can say that when I watch a lot of these shows, I feel the same way I look at their. I say no one made a joke about Barack Obama for eight years now that I agree with you. I talked about this for who recently the obama- and I felt the personal- why comedians especially comedians doubling the left were afraid of making the wrong joke about Obama and when they did make jokes about Burma there a flattering jobs. You know like nobody really me we'll observational jokes about Obama. That's why impressions of about more than good, because nobody's thinking really good observations about you know and some. So what about the angry translates it? That is. That is an observation on board.

Culture, not really battle by areas flattering go about. The whole thing was about. Mr Self Control must show my voice in which is fine, and I it was funny, but I mean that the people are so precious with them, and I wish there was more and there you know, because to me that's part of a comedians job. Now, there's a part of it. I believe we're in a cycle alot of these things going cycles, and I think, what's popular now, that it's kind of maybe the John Stewart effect does John was John, was just very good guys, burgling counted it, nobody was doing there. You know we did, or my show the nightly showed gonna with with that approach in John Oliver, certainly in his shoe, but you know I think these things go in cycles and work with them. I fear you know when you feel like you're on the outside of it

can I give me another job, but I dont think Oliver decided, I think saturnine life really tries it's best to be fair in that way in it. You know as much as they can and they ve done criticized for, for some of that, you know, and by fair I mean really trying to poke holes of both sides. You know, but I think a lot of it is driven by the marketplace whom what seems to be popular and that sort of thing, as well as that's what you're someone Michael bear. That's what you want to do that when you start, but as well as on both of those things I know I mean this is like guys can be very picky desire guys can turning Unum owns one thing alone about showbiz two years from now, maybe having different conversations, I what happened to all those political comedians, and I wonder if this occasion hence comedy generally so one of the things they that I've noticing commented on is. I saw Hannah Gatsby Special, Nottingham Andy and one of the things that I saw is the critics basically saying that that Hannah Gatsby shouldn't make you laugh, but you may be thinking it was a new kind of comedy, and so it seems as though she's moving forward

on my shall I call clapped her. Who was it wasn't really for laughs? It was. It was more for that's amazing enough and in a sort of sympathetic laughter as opposed to the laughter of recognition of a reality, which is usually the best kind of comedy and in my under item servant opinion, it's tough to say, Bambi. Is many times these kind of critiques are resisting something as well. You know, because sometimes these critics are people want something it be like what they ve seen already. You know and many tanker doing something new people don't like it, because it's different and it doesnt conform to rules that they, like I'm happy with these rules. Why are you doing something different? You know, and so a lot of critics have borne out of that liked me like she's, who cares if she doesn't different like there's a lot of other colleagues out there? You know, I know they learn Cheatham more power to work.

I'm afraid, I'm happy for her, that she's she's earning often say mother I'd, buy the redefinition by critics of comedy itself in order to meet somebody who they agree with politically. I find troubling simply because it used to be that you would watch something user, the funny or was not funny, looking, not acknowledge. The John Stuart mill I disagree with vertically is a deeply funny. Human beings he's really funny right, but you may not laugh if you don't agree and that for the clatter comes with Tina phase, the same term by the way view was choose making your same observation years ago, but people because they get last with those our lives

People do think it's funny. Now you can say yes, but it's a green funding, which is also true, but that's what they're doing. I just wonder if, if we're moving away from a time when people can make even most kinds of jokes, Seinfeld refused young college campuses now because he's afraid of being shouted down, you make certain kind of jokes immutable democratizing depends on the kind of joke. I know the other night, my wife and I made the mistake of of watching airplane again and airline is a very funny movie, but its hidebound movie, like you, watch it and you can watch it sort of in the privacy of your own home, looking around to make sure that nobody lodging get us out now. Absolutely we do. I do to show called the pages years ago an animated show any Murphy likely nation tabling, and we did Jochen there with this observation twenty years ago were Thurgood added the project's. He finds one of reprisal outcomes and is like that inward is crazy,

and an example. Can we believe that pray? You carry and say this anymore. So believe me, there's something. That's been happening over a long period of time, and are you worried about that because I always worried about that, but I realized in some ways is nothing I can do about it. Like I ran into this in their early nineties, I took a little bit of others and power, were you know? Another comic Canada shut me down that airing. Something because didn't agree with what I was saying you know and to me that was how it should make an assault on speech you what's going on here. Why are we being presage precious about this? A b c just tell the other night aired. You know their tribute family in the Jefferson Right, you know and they actually bleep the couple worse, that weren't believed back in the day. There's no on the family makes the ordinary. It's really nature, you know, I saying you know so this is this. Cultural shift has been happening for item I blame at all and of a man

Kalen and Eightys changed everything I'm out is an illegal immigrant and I was responsible forms. An illegal immigrant is illegal alive and well even a fan of my show for a while. It's likely you ve heard of louder with crowded and their ridiculous inferior craft mob leftist years settlers are by far the superior Each vessel, as has been established by multiple, scientifically verified studies that shows hosts Stephen crowded, started doing stead of comedy. I just seventy three years Fox NEWS before hitting his stride with his own, you to channel is early. Goes down an audience which brought about the popular internet, how many shall louder with crowded and the incredible meme change my mind unseen change, my mind. Stephen sits down with folks of differing political persuasions, have a civil discourse on the latest training issues and it gets wild salmon friends what Stephen Crowd, or for a very, very long time. In fact, the first time the Stephen crowd came over to my conduct. He put me in a chokehold. Nearly knocked me out is just one of the things that I despise about see that one of the highest life was actually watching him. Water boarded during one of his life shows is pretty

attack large sat there are drinking watching, demanding water boarded crowded, is fearless. Utterly insane, and he said how showed up wearing, essentially underwear view which was deeply uncomfortable for everyone, even make that unfortunate decision. When he join me in episode, nineteen, you can see that if you want your eyeballs burned out the back of your head, but that aside we had an interesting discussion on where comedians should run one. If President Trump is a comedian or just gonna rude and how Stephen grades the impact of the president on his younger conservative ends. So let's talk about the fact that you do a lot of really commercial comedy. So where do you draw line so that there is a lot of talk these days about where comedians ought to draw lines, as you mentioned own Benjamin OWN, Benjamin has been taken to task for using the word in one of his comedy routines. Where do you think it's appropriate redraw lines, a comedians? You think there should be any lines as a comedian

Obviously there are certain things that you won't do, even though you're the guy who paints Mohammed with menstrual blood as Bob Ross on camera, where decide where those lines are and when is it appropriate across them? Ok, that's a good example, because context is more important content. Let me let me let me preface this with. I don't love was Phyllis dealer who said that was, it might have been Dennis Miller who repeated it? I dont know the original person who up to his quarters attributed, but basically nothing is off limits except helpless some other words you don't go down to have been a special needs baby in her lesser liberal, and you want to abort down syndrome baby, apparently there, ok with that, so nothing has really off limits now I've limitations as to what uncomfortable doing and everyone will have their own line as a society and very uncomfortable with saying this is these? Are the of appropriate words, these are less of an appropriate words like we were just talking not before on dynamics, I was listening to relate the inward m. F r B word talk about killing people and the weak with it. Make what we can believe it is the word they bleep at its peak

what version of the one word they eliminate now. One really with these are the words that we're picking out, of course, Edward, would be included if you weren't black, so it really is Michael Tool, and I never want to play a role in that Jane. That being said, that I think that's a good example. So you talk about paying Mohammed menstrual blood. Let's take the context of that that, on its surface, sounds bad. Granted. Renaissance plea that, but Buzz feeds boldly the land where women there. You know the fat pride feminist, they were painting and menstrual blood and they had done a lot of, of course, always anti crush Anti sort of judeo christian videos for a long time. So we did a parity, Barbarossa, painting, mohammedan menstrual blood. And I got worse when the Barbarossa state threatened to sue us, and then we drew their meeting from a pile of ethical matters next to Mohammed. I think we never heard from him again. We never happen again. What was tat, we were not necessarily a shark in the common will, but we can be a paper fish. Than wish they picked. Somebody else, even

and off of every platform will make them wish that they picked. Somebody else, that's kind of our model, so con contextual, when you look at that, you go oh, this is sat terraces parity. We didn't just do it out of the blue, featured on Youtube that women painting with measurable at we didn't start it. Wouldn't we didn't a trend anew. It was them, so what they painted. First blood, not make what what? What do you make of the of the moon of sort of comedy and politics. So you're a comedian, you label yourself, a comedian. Everybody knows you as a comedian, but you do see political actors president from its basically snap comic most of what he does is political comedy disguised as politics, and what this means is that he crosses lines that you will cross, but people not sure what to make of aerospace and take it like harmony or are we supposed to take it like politics, because you just Put it is being politically incorrect as a comedian, or are you just being a jackass? I think he's thoughtless and there is a big difference. I mean there's no

The question that I know where the line is to know how to walk up to it and dance on the line and pull it back. If I crossed the line, it's very deliberate, I don't think that's the case with President Donald Trump. I don't think he knows, but one thing I do things interesting about down from, because I was a you weren't, a big fan of his and lie wasted and I was not at all during the primary and a lot of ways and I'm still not, I think, we're seeing a transition with President Trump. Then you see with a lot of young conservatives we reach. I think he was a guy who gave to demand from what was life really just we're doing business in New York? think it was a dinosaur Democrat either. I think he was whatever he needed to get his latest structure with his name. Emblazoned across it erected and I think what you're saying now those he's come and he thought the left would play ball a little bed and they ve been so vicious which we know them to be. They attack as family person we're not it's ok, school you and he's becoming more conservative. I think we're seeing a genuine transition of him coming more right wing like

Save it ever needs are Scrooge. Later in life, everyone's we kind of eurozone, not revenge. I gotta stop. I think we're sure that with President Trump I do think are some of that. But how do we deal with the fact that he's you're not toxic in the same way to young people's a young people watch or show because they know you're a comedy guy right there willing to give you the benefit of the doubt when you say something, that's offensive because, as you say, you know what You know it's not and if you're being offensive its generally deliberately offensive right for committed purposes. President from just sort of says things yeah and he saw in any very toxic for young people- I mean there's no question, you look at the polls and among young people wildly unpopular? How do you? How do we continue? to maintain lines or draw lines when it. What do you think we're here? We may also he's unpopular in the sense that a lot of your fans and my fans probably aren't huge trump supporters mapping said they do like that. Someone has started from the gloves off a little bit, so I think it's important look now. The question is being framed. Collagen say I and ninety percent of Americans are pro abortion, but then, when you give him a cut off, we show Morphetal chart bigger fetal development short that changes right so think without

If you were to ask me, are you a dollar from fan? I probably answer now, but if you were to ask me, do you think that Donald Trump generally legal job as president, I probably say. Yes, if you would ask me or proper, I think we'd, both Grannis culturally, definitely he's opened the door for consumers to not so ashamed of what they are, even though he is not one of them, but I dont think Marco Rubio would have done this. I dont think even Senator TED crews. I dont think Christianity would have gone after the media in the same way the Donald from past. So I think, even though this thing is squeaking being caught up in a total of around five. I was making sure this. It's the replication. It's not manage formation on. You're, ok to its internal. I make it so that people know it's not me it's. My point, and this is important for me- is not everything is about you, you can you discuss the check it, so I think that's what import about present down trump even think, even though people may not like him, I think a lot of young people are happy to see the burdens. The shackles of political correctness, kind of be thrown off any has helped paved the way for this.

We heard from your rug in just a couple of weeks ago, in our best of the intellectual dark webs years. I was also- just on Jos show to discuss my brand new book. You should check both of those out there, both spectacular we're, bringing him back, For our discussion on Roseanne BAR and the enormous implosion of her shall in the midst of beings. Success after a racist now, Valerie Jarrett Joe himself, a comedian as doing stand up since the Ladys still regularly doing shows out here and allay before the pandemic is also acted. On several set comes. You still and release several comedy specials. It's really trusting to see how Roseanne BAR never came back, really fascinating. If your cancelled in your perceived to be on the right, you never get the come back. If, however, you're like ice cube, any just tweet, randomly anti semitic stuff repeatedly forever Just continue to get jobs, so Roseanne BAR has done her time in the wilderness. Tree has repented her sense, doesnt matter there Not gonna let her back on tv because repentance is not available unless you fully embrace all of the woke culture. In episode for Joan I talk about how people

can survive, making jokes were living in a council culture, environment and what happened when the mob choose victim. What do you make of the rise and fall? You think that ABC was right adds a dumper shall, after after her bizarre tweet about Valerie Jarrett. Well, such a thing is just saying that she was gonna beyond my podcast. She said it, and then I got all these tweets. There were saying boy, Joe Rogan the should fire me for having this racist on my part, catholic no, I'm gonna have a conversation with one of the greatest stand up, comedians of all time, a person who I deeply respect, who, I think, is mentally ill. She is on a host of different medications: she's taken, Ambien and drinking. She was pushed to the brink of exhaustion. Doing that television show and she's made some very poor choices with some things that she said she would be the first to tell you that, and I dont that you all, I dont, think you could get an standing of her from a tweet or fraud,

you know of one sentence- description of what she did. I think you need to hear her and hear her talk. She's gonna, be the first person tell her she's crazy and she is. She's essentially at least functionally mentally ill in all, but it's also why she's such a brilliant com, and she's always been what you would Kalisz stir in our but dont. Remember like when she's too, when she saw the national Answer me rather cross and spit on the ground, and everybody went crazy. That's Roseanne, you know, and I think people wanted to turn her into this love. Ball mother. There's this like thing that people do when life gets weird, which is like is that right now where they want to look back to the past, where things just made sense can just bring back the Roseanne of old. Look John woodmans there too. This is amazing. Everything was safe when I was a kid and that's what they're trying to do and

they don't realize, like she's tweeting, crazy about someone like therefrom plan of the apes which, by the way, she's. She didn't even know that that woman was black and she's. Just telling this demand a phoney shows are not still bid. Do you think I would say that about a black rituals. I thought she was jewish. She was She looks like my relatives, its, which she said to me on the phone. I believe her you make jokes for a living being a glass of drugs for living, Hagen survive in this environment, making jokes for living. Just piss people off mean that this you're gonna always have people. We gonna more people have set with you and is more righteous indignation I think than I ve ever seen in comedy I've had more people furious at me for what are clearly jokes than ever at any other time. In my committee This thing rags you make it supplements clearly a joke and then simply rights down the transcript of the jail, They have to explain the joke right. That immediately kills existing. As you explained, joke is no longer a joke, so make a joke. That's a politically incorrect.

And then they write it down. And everybody who heard you at the time knows that you are making a joke. If they write it down, then you have to explain it. We're automatic we accepted the realm of jobs and now you're trying to explain the statement as late as as true or decent right is not the point. The joke in the first place. Yes, actually end! You look, you missed the context you miss the way delivered. You missed the town, you miss everything, but what they're doing as they just defined targets and I think that's one thing is happening with Roseanne. That's one thing: happening or whenever anybody screws up in the media. Are you you, you just get these people that they want a target? It's a game and the game is take someone down. The game is Someone out take someone down. Shame them, you know get The twitter mob and Facebook MOB get em after on. Let's go let's move! Let's start hashtag, let's attack Morgan Free, I already told a joke. This is big. Did you read the though the woman's account on CNN with

It will guarantee you with Morgan Freeman. I think we cover to break it but he was playing God in a movie. No is played gotten a movie and she asked him if you had magic power. What would you do with it? And he said you would never stitched clothes on. That was the joke knows it and, and she was like God, you mess with wrong girls and on number, seventeen and all these girls have come afterwards, like wow, you like he was on. The spot is being interviewed, he's on a red carpet. He tries to crack a joke about you being naked, like. Is this really the worst thing that ever happened to you? Is this really is, or is it just a joke? when I'm looking out at even in text, I find it to be silly, but just a joke, his dying, obviously justified. Work is still just a joke. It's just a joke. Why? I think there is now clash happening is one of the reasons why you become incredibly popular has just don't care right and relatives. I feel like if you have you money and you don't save you, then, whose

owing to circle is going to like I'm a good person, I'm a nice guy. I pay my taxes, I have a bunch of Greece. Friends and loved ones, young kids, I appears I try to be nice to people. That's what I try to do, but if I see something this ridiculous and I make fun of it and people get mad, for that. That's on you from episode ate one of our first guess my friend Adam guerrilla Adam got start. A sketch comedy series called the man show which he call hosted with Jimmy Kimmel. Those later succeeded by none other than Joe Rogan for a season now atoms hosted the atom. Corolla showed the number one daily downloaded podcast in the world and the author of the noble I'm your emotional support. Animal navigating all woke, no joke and culture out today, anywhere you purchased books since being on the Sunday special. He also partnership friends and his Prager on the documentary no safe space it when they travel the country and exposed

this happening to free speech. In America today, particularly on college campuses, Adam is just a delight. One of the wonderful things about Adams. That Adam is not outside supremely conservative. He just has value did it? Basically, everybody should leave each other alone and as a comedian, I feel like that should be your central value. Leave each other alone and make jokes about anybody. The fact that out of his become controversial for those very noncontroversial opinion shows how, Things have gone missing the ottoman. We me discuss the power of not apologizing for a joke. I can beat the walk mob Dishonest argument were seeing in will culture if you don't share somebody's political viewpoint, have some sort of deep dark character, There's always this fear The union must say the one thing and then then we'll get you fired and I will finish your career year for you. It's a lot harder comedy, and now in Afghan asking us from their beginning, have how do you do? in an era of political correctness, because it seems like everybody is good,

slaughtered right now. Every comedian gets to a certain point. Then deny the long. I've just come out. If you make the wrong just no jokes, unless you are properly woke or you're Amy, humor and you're. Just gonna make a bunch of feminist joker, something's gonna reward, but if you're anybody else mean your white dude, whose relatively conservative on parts it releases perceive. That way, and that means the knives come out to how do you? How do you deal with that? You know it's kind of interesting, but I do feel like they do as much as they think they can get meaning. I've had plenty of that in my my career. I think. If the attitude is I don't apologize, I don't care what attacking me. It's not gonna, be satisfying for you. There needs to be every eye was to talk about this. On my I five gas, which is I used to fight in the street,

a fair bit. Not a lot but like I've had definitely handsome street fight, and I knew how to fight and I was dislike. I dont know twenty two and I'd like I would fight and I always knew I wasn't a mean person and I would not pick a fight with anybody, but I knew somebody wanted to fight. I knew exactly how to get them out into the street with me to fight like we want to leave this party and we will go fight. I would tell em I dont want to fight I dont want. I don't like trouble like. I really don't want trouble and their answer would be. Oh, you found trouble yeah, but I'm really kind of and I just I'm sorry if I stepped on your foot or something they're catching, but I don't think I'd be like yeah, but it's a bad day for you and I

Ok! Well, I guess we got that ever got by and I did a lot by, but all I had to do is take a step or two backwards and they took two big step for if you step forward, they don't step forward. They they realize it's. No, it's it's! It's! It's! It's no fun going after Adam girl, it's much better! Getting this guy fired back. I fired this guy. The people issue, though, long, winded sort of crafted by their publicists apologies, and I, like it so much better. And really all you do, is you just cut from the shove off a couple of times and they just kind of go like no good like you know that, because he doesn't issue these long winded apologies. Others like that- and I am also just at a summit in a certain- you will be who you are like? No Howard Stern can say whatever

once when our once it no one ever demands at Howard, Stern, apologized, Howard's, Earnest, Howard, Stern or it's. My snoop dog can smoke we'd where everyone cell, if wait till I get AIDS hospital I couldn't Sparta serve dog. Could fire up a hooker pipe in the middle of an autonomous and they re like that's that's why he's he's moved up? You know them like a literally can smoke pot where everyone's because he stooped dog, so once you establish yourself, is I'm the person who says things that people they sort of leave you alone. It's also Weird world, where you can't speak logically to people like I've had a million. Unlike some of the stuff, I get thrown back my face like a look of some to me, my wife, I'd like your mom and dad a male or female, to raise my kids, because we both offer very different things by that being said, I will take the lesbian couple or

Gay couple whose doing a little butter, who has a better many van, that's a little newer and a little safer who lives in a better part of town with a better schools, as I will take them over the heterosexual couple, if their marginally better. If everything is exactly the same, this weird world we live at like everything's a same are given the male female, because traditionally I figured out for nature that worked a little better and areas like so you don't think a gay couples should be able to raise like now. That's not what I said, and then they do this one, which is always instead and I I don't know I I I I wonder this out loud all the time and I'm gonna pose this question to you, because I believe I have to be intellectually one of the biggest problems I got into is when somebody said to me whose funnier, men or women I didn't think. I was allowed to say both exactly the same. I had to answer

Why should I said men are funnier has are trying to get laid. Why so? They involve think about all that all we put into getting life but also, I said that being said, I know, play Women that are funny or in every guy went to high school wealth, but if you're just gonna ask me I'll, go I'll, go with me and I got some crap for that, but here's what I I dont get every time I say to somebody all things being equal I'll, take the heterosexual couples. Now the gay couples due to low better in their tax returns and lives and safe, never I'll take the gay couples and then they go I'd, say you're saying the heterosexual couple could be strung out on bath and they could the woman for as usual type process. He's pampered her out their cook it up there making math in their bathtub of their apartment, which,

by the way, is in a very dangerous part of now and the gay couple. That's David. Often and he's got a guy that out from view would take- and I know I think I was insanely clear. I said all things are the same. All things so the same. I would take this, but if the other couple, then they go well. That's a flawed premise because you can't make everything the same and, unlike we have the same job whatsoever? The same neighborhood got. Some may think, one guy like jeopardy, the other, desperate housewives or sell their budgets, Nevertheless, I would like now are these people stupid, like what when they say to me so you and take this cup That raises rabies infested raccoons in their camp and they're gonna wide over David Gonna like now,

But why did you say that? Why would you say Are they insane or they intellectually dishonest? Are they lying like? I can't what they expect me to go right. All you caught me like I said that I have ever been sharply the same. I do think that there are looking for a a world in which there they need an answer, and the answer is always going to be that it's their political viewpoint or you have a camera. Flock? So if you do not repeat their political viewpoint, then it must be that you have a care if one they cared of law means that secretly even have already said the stuff. What'll. You do believe that the rabies infested double wide with heterosexual couples is better than David Gaffin, because Your secret motivation is that you, like gay people worse than you, extravagantly extra, more like gave me the right, and so even if you say all things being equal deep down in your heart, you know secretly the what this is really. Coming from the atmosphere, gay people now, I think That's really what it is. I think, because, having spoken with more people on the left there

anybody that I now in my lifetime, I it's it's. It seems to me that when people are being in fully dishonest that when you see a width, Cathy Newman in Jordan Petersen, for example, Jordan Pieterzen is talking about earnings and Catherine Movement is suddenly just recasting everything that he sank. She knows what he saying. It's just that you doesn't believe that that's really his motivation in saying it. It's them attempting to read your heart. I think and says you're comfortable. It goes back what you were saying early if you're comfortable and who you are it's hard for them to come back at you, because they want to say that you're homophobic or you, racist or something is I'm not that they have any place to go from there for them, that's the only place the day candle. Dennis Miller has been in the entertainment business promised for decades, he's been six of those years nine lives, weakened, update, corresponded before exiting and ninety ninety one vultures common fact, rated Dennis as the best we can update anchor of all time sailing vultures done right in, we central rate him- twenty one in the list of greatest Stanhope committee- of our time. The five time Emmy award winner for his life, actual Dennis Miller Life, which had a nine year,

and on HBO an eight year run with nationally. Syndicated talk radio programme, new hope. It's. The embassies Dennis Miller a topical interview, talk, show as well and that Dennis without much younger tape of us, like twenty one, written for New York Times best sellers he's. Now the host of the Dennis Miller option a podcast where he has on, they must friends and gives uncensored takes on current events. So we of having Dennis Miller on the radio show we have mine all the time I may be. The person in America who actually understand what Dennis is talking about, and I will say that I get a perverse kick of trying to make Dennis on the show by also making extraordinarily arcane references he's got me be on that front, nearly every time Dennis and as an episode, forty seven we discussed how comedy should always be, first and foremost about getting the laugh that isn't what we ve been seeing heavily I shall hosts stack up and Dennis here's the story of when he laughed heartily ever has in his entire life I look at us in the same way that I look at some of the Canadians. These that I see working today,

That is enthusiasm over skill. Do you do an impression also did that that there is a real draw toward the enthusiastic and the authentic as opposed to the craft like actually working through things well, the craft. I think so the listener some guys you're, beautiful technicians and nay, nay. They literally would do Syllable council feel about something that the main directive, obviously countries, always been getting labs. Now you can go out and do it in a myriad of ways, their physical Canadians, their intellect or comedians, some guys they, while at so smart but for the most part it it's all about the prime directive of getting lapse. I've noticed the change is more tectonic in it. Its turned everybody's comedy act. Almost into an impersonator act, like impression, is used to do that. What a Jack Nicholson was working at the burger king, was always bridle. I had that lack that gene where I could go without words. They time autism

Why? Why are you working group, but they do it the other thing for flawed and that sort of what you were is now like people will make a bold statement. Applause instead of big lapse as weird to me, it's sort of short circuited, the primal that it's an involuntary gesture. Somebody says something funny and you don't have dinner actual eyes it you just find yourselves and that's the cool part of it. Now its people going and yellow that's a big change were comedy there that the term that I'd heard used about. This is clapped her that people are not actually laughing anymore they're. Just there. There clapping and this is the hand again be version of comedy. We have think pieces now about why, for thanks. Of years. We ve actually been getting the entire concept of comedy wrong. It's not that we're supposed to laugh at things its post war. If we laugh at things, it's actually bad we're supposed to think about things, and then the thinking

the humor. It seems to me that we are reaching the entire nature of humanity around. What a bunch of very politically driven people wanted to be because and I'm old enough to remember when J Letter was on television and trying to be funny, and now you ve got people on tv in late night, who, I really know, trying to be funny anymore. I mean legitimately they, I think, Fallon, maybe the only late night hostess, even making an occasional attempt to be funny. I know what you're your opinion is of the the driving licence entertainer, and I like that about him. I am, I think, that you have to understand. If you wanted at some point. You wouldn't lose those jobs. If you look look how good Jimmy is added Jimmy I found I've been on. Jimmy can always nice to meet you I don't have an axe to grind there. I disagree with him on many things, but is also a dried up in his own way, but Jimmy's the entertainer to me with how much trouble we got in for a simple hair fluff with Donald Trump, it's almost over

at that point, really he said the rally and there is an individual's choice at some point to keep a great job policy in saying you should make your statement. You should speak your mind if you, Forty five year old, Jimmy Foulon seems like a delightful guy the times I've met him over the years. Could she makes me laugh onstage deadly funny, he's got the captain said he hoped. Johnny Carson is leaving make him leave from New York. He loves. New York is probably not enough. Thirty to thirty million dollars a year, and they say they are well: listen, no more pro trump staff or we're gonna this. They won't even stated, but it's right, the old mob hit movies where they from far mental eyes, it will have to deal with you with dream prejudice. Fifty would eventually not have the gig it's it's just the truth you couldn't go on. Jimmy could not go out there now and a spouse, anything on that side, I think at that point it, Sir, what we would do,

Sanders. Whenever he does NFL football, as somebody won't like stretch out for a pass, like short arm. I didn't get lit up and the uncertainties in business, a fifth at that and that's the viewers living at some point. You have to understand the hierarchy with whack you if you went out every night and the pro I've never met the enemy, and this is where I feel like. Contrary to your own perception yourself, I think that they're, probably as a growing market for somebody like you, actually saying things that are both funny and somewhat conservative, simply because, if you look at Jimmy Kimmel Jimmy like I irony when he used to do these sports thing on cabin in being, I want a six point, seven out here and was funny guy when he was doing his show with Adam on company central and the humor can now is the pope of late night right. He gets up there and he's gonna rail about Obama, care and cry on TV about Obamacare, and I just think to myself. Well, isn't like where's the other side of this equation. Where that every funny comedian seems to be being-

read out, and if your moderate, that's not enough have the least make overtures toward being politically woke if you're going survive in this delay, the even dies like I think John Ladys, really funny Maloney he will have to at some point, I shall just dump on certain points. The country so that he can get his credit orders that he can go about doing his normal business. Amazing that leaving halfway Austria Jacqueline Box for floating mechanism, if it doesn't everything else in his lacked, we shot through the prism of where is he not woken up? so is it easier to strewed throughout? So you look hope for an hour in your doing. Interpret jokes is better just in the middle like a sore baby pleasure pallor with just might with a thing for the future, from one orange under their eyes are little more than that, but in the middle you laid it's it's

to me how you it's demanded that you establish that I won't do that, I think the hardest ever loved to have a good memory. I guess they always worked for me because he, but I love them and he made me- laugh the single hardest I've ever seen. What kind of center of here is familiar with, say I'm, but it was just so wrong, Sometimes it be so wrong that you'd sit there, and this is where we talk about with political correctness. Now we ve, we like argued that a huge bit of what makes me laugh. Sometimes wrong or unfair. Our mean. What makes a laugh, the harness I remember sample also mean one night. There was a group of people in from cater Ellen Oil or something or in the comedy stories like two in the morning, though the latter he's the last guy. Comes out. He hasn't broken big, yet he's getting big though, but it comes out he's like some pissed go alone. These gaps,

we re on the code, they don't quite know what to make of hungarian from you start talking to them and they think he's nice words, something is there. No ideal is dealing with the antics dead. Isn't where you do. The guy disguise and Samson yeah sounds good. Hey, listen around three o clock. After hearing that story, my three o clock, our afternoon, I may be doing some hard work There is anybody else in a crowd who wants to dry by and put up because I'm tab like tat. That's more like it was like the beginning, animals, goose, underwear, the eyes and that's it now, looking That was the hardest I ever loved over everything, and this is also the comedian named justice area nigh On that I don't have any choice than that. I looked back on it. Is it like great moments in comedy? No, it's not exactly deft, but it was just so

wrong and the the equilibrium was so thrown off, maybe was nervousness just made me laugh my answer and I and think now all that's dead SAM would be out of the business today. So would recourse I mean I think Rickles might get through, because he was a safety. He had a good heart with them was just fires about a girl various more malevolent, I dongle together. Those guys could work down. That's weird place to be a net sergeant. Asking next is about the modern standards ill it. It seems to me that we do surely returned to a sort of puritanism about colony, where it did. The only jokes that you're allowed to make are basically sex. Jokes. All the other jokes are the window, because they rely on stereotypes or they rely on observation. About reality that could be offensive to somebody. Sex is inherently they say you can make extra get away with it or you can just chalk somebody by cursing or sing something incredibly looter vulgar, but it seems like that's: it's either that or were probing social care.

And Terry meanings left a social monitoring and watch on matter. So why is there a future for company in this in this world? You know they're always, but I can't foresee, You know I mean something's going to happen. This country, that's gonna, capless pressure. What was the guy's name? Re Donovan? Where do I go to get my reputation back or I think there's a guy? well sure one time said: have you no shame Hollywood's running the tightest for commodities. Think now, sir, not Mccarthyism within its like Jenny Mccarthyism here you can be. You can be kicked out in a second for saying something supposedly by the call kids that that that that makes me I never thought I never thought I'd see that coming now, I can say how I see it going, but I do think, though, be some moment where such something overplayed somebody, his rang it might almost. Haven't would monitor Lewinsky, but she saved that dress. I don't want you,

I found that every boy say let such an odd thing. I thank God. They were driven that young girl, I think in the nervous break. Something's going to happen is going to make us all step back and that's a that's happy. You know and that's weird and we've got to start, but I can't foresee what that is. But it's going to be it's not going to get mine or thing some something's going to come out of this perpetually. Tight attitude is gonna, make everybody shake their heads and think we ve gone too far. Gregg blackmail the New York Times. Bestselling, author, libertarian political satirist and humorist he's the host of the great got fell. Go and call home of the five and hosted the legendary call tv phenomenon ready on Fox NEWS adjoining thoughts. Red was editor for several magazines and was one of the first can, Measures to the having imposed writing sarcastic thesis poking, find it anything and everything just what eventually got him on Fox news. He tells me

how it all went down in the full episodes. You should check out that story. Gregg is absolutely hilarious, shockingly self effacing and he and I go a long way back because of course it really gotta start to and report. From fifteen listen to a and we discussed a social media is bleeding into real life and making the culture worse. We have de cultivated the Indian your mind into a mob and Greg's thoughts, and if the culture can make for cross I'll discussions in the country try me. I do think that we have to set up a feeling on the left that if they continue this, that there will be cards, whence it out. By the same token, it's hard to balanced that, where you know what's not destroy people just me, we can in the end, and the fact is that we now live in this you're exactly right, I mean I remember it was probably

we weeks ago now or that acted, remarked, plasters, weed out something nice about me and suddenly humans deleting it and apologize Maoist Ashura sent in trims going jumped in and then he will. I destroyed half the empty you by literally said you're doing nothing gretta just sitting here. Do nothing and suddenly James Gun loses job, and I thought to myself like if this stuff doesn't stop, then the internet is bleeding into real life. The social media are bleeding into regular life. I used to think, and it's a depressing thought when you spend your in politics and undoing political comments are trying to inform people. I used to think that the future of the country lay in the informed forty there are forty percent of the american public work into politics and very informed and following the news, I'm sorry

It might be the opposite that maybe the future the country lies in the sixty percent. That absolutely watches nothing that any of us. It is Europe and all they do. Is they go to baseball games? They watch all tv at night. I need only spend time doing other thing. I really hope that's the case, if none of you every screw know it it. But it is this this this new kind of like, if you have it like. If you have a bad day you, your life could be over select, that's lets you get in an argument. It Walmart somebody films that yep you could ever like. I said this couple weeks ago on the five that, if my pet, if this social Musa was around my parents, my mom would have been a meme yo. She would spanked me if I was acting up in public yours tat. You did that we can see that you're gonna everything's being every it's a nation of marks were all catching Raleigh. I got him under put that a bear its just like the moon is appalling.

In writing. We are like Yahoo settling racist elections, one here, the northern like the seventies yeah. That's, ok, no us destroy her entire business. Now the idea of a racist thing. She said in nineteen, seventy three. Yet they then they just disappear if people are are their vat she's vanished gap is a few other people too maybe that you just go where they go on an island where you can also? Can people come back right now is, can Louisen taken back. I don't think by the way, nothing Lucy like I'm one of these people live in Louis UK should come back. You didn't like what he did was bad, but it's like the guy was you're trying to portrayed image of himself. Like he's a brief auditors routing stuff right, he talked about this stuff here and we know what is- his time and done. His repentance is yes to me that he should be able, without making naturally rape anybody. You did some really bad stuff. That's not rape, and I think that we also have no gradations right for me saying that he did bad stuff. But it's not rape, I'll, get to see

forget it has. All of these things are rape. Everyone is equivalent to the worse. Even when you ask for a spectrum, people will see that as dismissal dismay right, so I just wanna like because they said no there's, no there's no spectre bad that, as you add, unless it's like, oh and asian persons, in bad things about why people then of course not bad at all at once. He divided into this dichotomy of good versus bad, as opposed to here's, a spectrum of bad right. There's like ants. I black racism, which has historical connotations that are really bad: that's bad racism and then slightly less about racism, but still racism is asian people saying that all white people should I like extreme, pretty bad, but it's not like quite on the level and lengthy KKK back as soon as you say that sort of people lose their minds. Yes, everything has to be equal to. Everything. Else is interesting. Reading a book over the weekend about Rwanda really late Ray reading over the over the summer I and about the rwandan genocide and one of the things that that struck me is your when you're time after one introduced, I basically the government said your neighbors are now your enemies going murder your neighbours and the the a ban in three months,

eight hundred thousand, because one is yes right in- and it occurred to you like the development of the individual mind. Yet you that you're, an individual and not just a member of a collective body that is designed to go hit this other collective body, that's actually relatively rare in human history, and it only exists in certain places at certain times, and it feels like we're now in reverse cultivation. We spent spent literally millennia trying to get to the point where we thought of ourselves as individuals with independent, Barton motives and who could stand up to the mob and when, look at the world now. I think that we have this weird idea that all bad people that then the Nazis, basically monsters. We're not actual human beings. Gorgeous bear who did that there are not so they did, they were human being shunted monstrous things. They were monsters, weren't, human in any way. Right until we look at this very self flattering point of view, like we're all good people, I would never do anything like that. I don't buy, no idea- and I think that pretty much everybody is capable of doing it- will hit by says at any site that this is like what is it that, like and there's a dude, giving read any isn't remit.

Nay Gerard set ring at NATO, yet the whole idea, just like invitation so can I think social media I've been reading that I've been thinking about the. Why is it getting worse is because social media is enabling the rapid repeat behaviour of being able to tat each other and that's creating more of a mob rule like it disseminating These means in this ended in these feeling, so we could all just joined in swarm. You know it at an inn in like about Ben Shapiro, I can get a hundred thousand people or four thousand pm, feel like a hundred thousand think it. I think, that's why it feels like its regressive. That's going back, because I think social media is making that possible. Maybe maybe it doesn't resulted anything bad like you, don't nobody gets killed. It's not Rwanda, the rights or social media, but I know it that social media does destroy. Careers and that's physically, just in Sacco rightly idea if she doesn't AMOS yet what she flew to the South Africa before making an aid.

Well what a joke which in which the joke was about like a AIDS it would do. Is it unfortunately affecting black be rung unripe regard? Some guy wasn't like a night. It was. He was making a political point right. Liberals would have loved anybody. What do you know? It's totally essentially added to without giving any hope that there can be any cross I'll discussion. You know at any time in the near future, as it just looks, and then there's some people, my son, ass ugly- and I know I don't know- I don't know- I don't know- that's the only upset I could take it. Maybe we just are moving away from politics, hopefully like most of merit, as yet. I don't know I mean I I hope so too, and I think that day one of the things they did so great is that you bring a lot of culture into into words you do, and that is space where I think said, Sir Launcelot doesn't destroy our common cultural space to yeah? I think that we can actually have some special. What worries what

When'd you over the next few years, know what's u what you're going to these are aren't going by actually like doing what I'm doing I enjoy. I enjoy writing every day. That's the thing that I like to do and I'll probably do arise, lies fossil. Have me I'm a joy, I mean I I don't know many people who are doing what I do on the only me at the network. I can't say anybody, and so I like the paying you need not a funny conservative yeah, hey you're, coming there. There's there's a few, though that I found my show that, unlike really like, I had a few last week, you know, and I would say that their non liberal, like Joe to veto and Joe Mackey and Chris Free. These are all young guys that I know it's funny,

Like even labeling them cause, I'm gonna hurt him right said earlier on, and even though we get we get, we get noted. I know bunch of like major Hollywood folks who listened to the show, why I say an owl legitimately said, then you cannot. Let people know that you ever watch any of this stuff. I have a buddy who is super hip in the music world. Probably one of the hip is people who is what was more excited about the podcast when you did with me and will be excited about this, but I'm not gonna, say his name. Yeah I'll, tell you after but another say his name, because it will just not help him at all any made by this guy. So ghip he's like if people doubt about it, pitchfork would be pitchfork meeting work out. Oh yeah, no question: it means that the list of people who have actually been to the officers who we will not take pictures out because will say that this is due placid mistake. He came in told him dude. Don't let people know that you are here, didn't get destroyed, ready and that's how bad it is, but I think it hopefully there'll be a rational middle that nothing in terms of political groups.

Just a rational middle where people can actually have these discussions again? That would be helpful. If you ve enjoyed hearing from our past guests in this collection be sure to check out their full episodes in here. More of the conversations links to those are in the description ble out. Also, you should leave us a comment about who you'd like to see me talk with next sees it. If you like this, don't forget to subscribe and give us a five star of you were available on Apple podcast, Spotify Youtube and wherever you listen upon. Gas also be sure to check out other daily, whereupon cast, including the Andrew Craven, Show, Michael I'll show an amount while showed thanks for listening. I eventually Rochelle Sunday, special is produced by math, is clever, exact, producer Jeremy, boring associate producer case when it in our guests are both by Caitlin Maynard reduction is supervised by Alexander Editing, is by Jim Nickel Audio judgments by MIKE Chromium here and make up. If I need to Geneva, I graphic summer, Cynthia Envelope

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