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at t, e r dot com, Slash man, Lieutenant Colonel West thanks so much for showing up. I really appreciate the probably the one of those inversion things you know follows jumps out of airplanes. I've done so, let's start by eight. Let me ask you that your military career a little bit so folks, don't know anything about you. You grew up in Our joy in a democratic, then you, Sir, for twenty one years in the military. What can you can give your back on your life story. In a nutshell, I grew up in the same neighborhood that gave us Doctor Marlisa King King is call the old fourth ward neighborhood in Atlanta Georgia, My elementary school is right across the street from Ebenezer Baptist Church and to open a family where, first of all, unlike many young black kids today, I had a great mother and father in the home? My dad was corporal in world war. Two, my mother, with a marine core headquarters in Atlanta. Ga they will probably tell me my hair is too long right now, but God rest their souls Ann. I will never forget at the age of fifteen. My dad challenged me to be the first officer.

Our family, because my older brother was a lance corporal in Marine CORE, do in Vietnam. He was ruined it there, but he got out. Ok, so I track starting high School Junior ROTC and went through ROTC, the University of Tennessee got commissioned. July, one thousand nine hundred and eighty two and I'd still try to live up to that. Commission and that owes to support, defend the constitution and the great thing is that you know my nephew now is a major in the army. Following in my footsteps as a paratroop, an artillery officer continue that service sacrifice and commitment that we've done in our family I think in the military set of values that differentiate. So many folks in the military from sort of the mainstream american population. That's me home not only never served. I mean I never served on you know, and and thank God for folks like you did, but if you don't even know people who've, Sir, what do you think differentiates that value system is two things is service above self and a no quit attitude in all

always tell people they folks as who's, your greatest military, you know hero and everything, I'll talk about Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, and if you study the battle of Gettysburg Burg- and he was the guy- was just a simple professor of rhetoric in college college, made, but because he was an educated man, he got a commission. He was put in charge of a 20th Maine Regiment and on that second day Gettysburg, when, when the ammunition is running out, casualties are mounting. The 20th Alabama is still charging the hill an they fix. Bayonets first Then it charge in the Union Army and they save not just the day it Gettys Burg, but they probably save this union because Lee and an army of Northern Virginia had been successful Gettysburg. It would have marched on so here's Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain. Just a simple man, a professor rather ends up being awarded the medal of honor, becomes a governor two time governor of the state of Maine. That's what America produces a and I think that if we can get back to that people that believe that there's something greater

then just themselves or selfie or Iphone Ipad or whatever, and understand that that commitment to a core set of principles and values? Like I said, I took an oath to the constitution, every one of us need to be committed. Convicted for self, and that and that's why you're such a great brilliant young man, because you know what you believe it. You know those fundamental principles and values. You committed yourself to make sure you pass on a better America to your daughter and your your your your children and that's what it's all about. So how did you move into sort of conservative politics from from the military? So your parents were Democrats. You grew up in a democratic, area. Obviously, what drove you towards the Republican Party will see. That's the amazing thing. People don't understand philosophically and when you talk about principles, the black,

community has always been a conservative community. It is always been about faith. This always been about family individual responsibility until Linda Johnson came along with the great society. It has always been about service to the country. As I talk about four generations, out of my family is always a bit about quality education, but we don't see those things continue to permeate. Now in the black community and, like I said, when Johnson came along one thousand nine hundred and sixty four sixty five with his great society programs. He eroded many of those fundamental principles and values. So when my parents, job Louis was my congressional representative grow

in Atlanta? It was so funny when I was sworn in up there, and I was a member of the congressional black caucus, and I told him is an honor to meet you because you were washed my representative, he was a guy. He was campaigning against me because he didn't know my background. He didn't know I was from Atlanta, but if we can get people to think more about philosophy of governors and not about political parties, understand that right and true relationship between the individual and the institution, the government- I think we correct things and so how my parents brought me up. It was just natural for me to see myself as a very conservative person, but the republican Party. When you talk about, they need to understand what their fundamental principles and values are. You talk to most Republicans band and they don't know while the Republican Party was established in eighteen, fifty four, it was just one issue: the issue of slavery, the republic,

Party has always been about individual liberty and we can talk about history, the other political party. It is the complete antithesis of that, but they are able to dominate America. Well, what do you think? The republican party is gone wrong in doing it to out reach to minority communities because it seems like and they they were winning at. The Republicans are when deminishing share of the black faux, diminishing share of the hispanic vote, What are they doing wrong in reaching out? Is it a problem with Republicans it a problem with the media, what where do you see? The problem is the problem with I remember talking to rice, previous ones, and, and I told how much I despise and to test it. The word outreach be What what outreach means is that you show up in black history month, hispanic american month or Asian Pacific american month. All of these balkanized monthly we created and you act like you're part of the. Unity, and then they don't hear or see you again till sixty days before an election. When you show up- and you say, vote for me what really needs to happen is policy inclusiveness. What really needs to happen is a connection and understand people

basically who they are and what they believe. Everybody wants to be a part of an american dream. I don't believe that people wake up every day in life is say. I want to sit here and section eight housing and get a check from the government, but if that's the only message that they hear, if that's the only people that are going into those communities and talking to them about being a victim Xan big doors, then the Republicans are always chasing their tails. So I think it's so important when you look at quality education, you look at the inner cities and how that that aspect of education is falling apart. Think about this when the Non Brock, a bomb, a canceled, the DC school voucher program. But he said his kids to the very prestigious Sidwell friends, but he told deserving minority kids. You can't be here what an incredible winning issue for the Republican Party to connect when you look at, as I say when I was born, one thousand nine hundred and sixty one or two parent household in the black community, seventy four to seventy seven percent. Today is twenty four percent. What agree

issue to talk about how we want to restore the sense of family and restore small business entrepreneurship, and you talk about urban economic empowerment zones, and all of these things will go in. There start showing people what you mean by that are Republicans at a systemic disadvantage to a certain extent with this, because for crap. You can put democratic oriented social workers in a lot of these areas or you can put a welfare office. They cuss a lot of checks in areas, and this has nothing to do with black and white actually because their downtrodden white communities, where the same things happening, but for Republicans where the basic message is that if we provide you the freedom to rise, then you should rise. I mean it's your job to rise for providing the freedom. What should republican politicians be doing? What sort of policies would you prefer to see where there is that face to face contact, because, as you say, if you're only seeing

look in once every election cycle yeah, it's a lot less likely to vote for them and the people who are presumably interacting with you on a daily basis. Well, it was amazing. A lot of people gave President Trump. A lot of you know go off about him, saying what the heck do. You have to lose. Well, that was the true nature of of what needs to happen. You know, engage with the black community, say, look you've been going down the path of these guys. Ninety five percent of the time

and what is it got a new? And so we need to challenge the status quo and we need to have a wholehearted effort to go into these communities and show ourselves and show these policy, and I'm not just talking about you, know at the federal government level, I'm talking my city councils, I'm talking bout school boards, I'm talking about those local representatives that can go in there and the party needs to support that. You know it's so funny. I was talking to Lake Highlands, Republicans Women's club there in Dallas TX, and I was saying these exact same things and they said that's easy for you to say that, because you're black, we can't go into a black neighborhood and say that simple. Why do white liberal progress? This is going to black and hispanic neighborhoods and they say what they have to say. Your self censoring yourself you're already saying that

We can, you know, have any relationship here and I think the best one of the horrible things that happen if George Soros combined all these checks and create this organization like a black lives matter, which really is aktion moronic to me, is just the lives that the liberal Progressive left believes that matters in the black community. Where are the benefactors on the conservative side? They're saying we're going to get a here and we're going to show policy wise what we can do and we're gonna have these connections without help after school programs for kids and we're going to support the the the the local law enforcement and we're going to develop. You know more put the police athletic league programs support those type of things you got to show something different. Now. How do Republicans overcome the the generalized perception media puts out there that there a bunch of races, and you see this because there are certain situations in which Republicans say things that are quite awful: an that draws fire. So, for example, in the last couple of weeks we saw what Steve King said in Iowa and Senator TIM Scott. The only black senator came out

and said the Republican Party's been too easy on this sort of stuff in the past? What do you think? That's true? I think the Republican Party has been too easy on sort of polarized or racially tinged or quasi racist language. In the past. I think the Republican Party has been reactionary to it and not been pro. Active in we just recently had last year the the people there in the Dallas City Council decide to take down the the statue of Robert E Lee, and I spoke there before the city Council say you know, statues, don't keep you from going to school or getting a job or be a successful. But the left is very good at saying you know the statues of these things, these parts of history, bad, but yet was the last time you had anyone talk about the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger. I know why supremacists and all races, the person spoke, a Klan rallies. When you look at the fact that you know close to seventy percent of planned parenthood. Clinics are located we're in minority communities, and so what we need to be saying is that hey sure we don't want to deal with this white.

Embassy or anything. But, let's be very honest, you guys have a black eye as well, and let's start calling this as it is an when we have these assertions, you know the president being racist or whatever someone needs to be on these shows an CNN Msnbc or whatever and speaking out against. I cannot tell you how many times I've been called uncle sell out the White Man's porch Mckay. All of these things, for whatever reason, white liberals think that is open game on hispanic black female conservatives, but yet all of a sudden they have this. The this force fill the protection that you know keeps them from any type of scrutiny. We've got a break down of force. What do you make of the philosophy? That's now rearing its head on campus and and is moving in the mainstream of intersectionality. You see mainstream democratic candidates now talking about intersectionality the assumption being that, basically, if you're a member of particular groups, then you are inherently victimized by american life and that this means that we ought to take your opinion more seriously. On particular

is a popular policy. What it what you make of that for they once again, that's about them. Creating people to be victims are not victorious. There's a great clip. I was speaking at the Northwestern University last spring semester, and I was talking about the iranian Nuclear Agreement and middle eastern foreign policy. I thought it pretty good job for a boy born and raised down south the first question from a young female was do you identify as black, I mean see the video clip. I I mean I was just floored, because I'm thinking out of all the things I just say it. That was the only thing that you could bring about because there's this effort on college campuses, the say that if you're jewish, you suppose think a certain way, if you're black, you suppose think of sir, where, if you're female, whatever it If you don't think that what you're bad are you confused, or you know, maybe you're mentally disturbed, but what we want to do? No matter where you come from. We need more people to be victims. Why? Because the left needs more people to

dependent upon them and and the only people that can have validity in the mindset of the left or people that have been victimized, Because if you are not even though I was brought up in the inner city, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, those kind of guys they can't speak for me, I don't need it. Speak. For me I mean my wife has a phd. She was a business professor MBA. She is the daughter of people that immigrated here from Jamaica, legally or they're sort of twenty four years in United States, military he's buried at Arlington National Cemetery. But those aren't the stories that the other side wants to have and that's why venues and platforms like yourself. Those are the story

We should be talking about the stories of people that came here legally the stories of people that you know when they did run into hard times. They understood that maybe they needed a safety net, but the safety net is there for you to continue to climb to whatever amount of success you want 'cause. The other side wants people to just lay around in a hammock, and that's not what America is about. The second one ask about what role you think racism does platinum in life, but first, let's talk about a new year's resolution. You can actually keep stop going to the post office to send letters and packages when you don't have to save time and money this year. Instead, you stamps dot com stamps dot. Hum brings all the amazing services of the US postal Service directly to your computer stamps. Dot com is faster, it's more convenient, it's the posted you simply use your computer, you print official us Post for any letter any package, any class mail anywhere, you want to send it in the mail carrier, pics no more lugging mail to the post office, no more hassles stamps dot com, not only saves you It saves you money as well, with stamps dot com, you get discounted postage rates, you can't even get the post office, not to mention it's a fraction of the cost of those expensive postage meters

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An. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, because I tried to give people the benefit of the doubt and then he said something in the last couple of weeks. That is just inexcusable and there's no way for me to give him the benefit of the doubt anymore. According to the left, they would say well why, given the benefit of the doubt in the first place, if you truly understood how evanescent racism is, how present it is, then be giving people the benefit of the doubt. You'd be coming down on them when they say something they could even be construed as as racist. How should we deal with racism in american life. How prominent is it and what's the best way to fight it? Well, I think that we have seen this surges of the the word in the term, racism and racist here recently, because the left has use it as a tool to get people to self censor, In fact, we just recently had the new freshman Democrat representative from the state of Washington represented Java. All talk about the whole thing about this border all is because down trump wants to keep America pure. Let us all about racism. Well, you know say that to the young legal immigrant,

police, officer, Ronil sing that had nothing to do with racism criminal legal and were killed in Orangeville Shaw from right here in in California, or any the of instances where we are saying Kayla, Cuevas and then also niece Americans, who were killed by MS thirteen gang members. So I think that what has happened is that when the left wants to try to get people to to shut shut down they throughout the racist word. I mean if you disagree with Barack Obama, you are racist or if you disagree with Eric holder, an I'm tired of us, you know the board of Cry Wolf. Is there racism in United States, America? Of course there is. You know there are people that are going to have inherent prejudices, the great thing about America, is that this America now would do everything you can to squash and not wow those type of thoughts or perspectives or philosophy, is to have any impact or influence in our society, and I think Steve King

has really relegated himself to insignificance and irrelevance and I'll be very surprised at the people out in Iowa where to vote for him again I mean because it just gets to be too much to too often, but I also think that we need to combat. A racism that we have seen an what I call and some people called the softap bigotry of low expectations. You know someone could look at a program like affirmative action and say that's racist to say to me that, well, you we can't achieve it, so we're going to lower the standards, so you can get out there and play that's the great thing that my dad taught me about the militaries this son. When you go into the military is about to color your skin, it is all about what you can do out there on the battlefield and that's how it should be. I mean, and Martin Luther King talked about

is about characters, not cook about color the skin, before whatever reason America has reversed and we've gone back to talk more so about the color of the skin issues instead of the character people, so Stephen King, you know this is not so much about. You know skin colors about his lack of care and a lack of integrity. They would have a sense. Companies foolish as he did, so I want to ask you a little bit about military policy. So one of the things that's happened inside the Republican Party, even since you left them Terry is a movement away from the more hawkish interventionist republican Party and toward a sort of isolationist perspective. Now you served in Iraq The prevailing opinion seems to be not only in the mainstream media, but now inside the Republican Party that the war in Iraq was a horrible mistake. What's your perspective on the war having served there and having made policy about it in Congress? Well will tell you that haven't been there on the ground. I mean there were things that you gave opportunities for for the people in the they never would have ever had. You know folks asked me was the greatest achievement that you had in your twenty two years or so

in the in the military. I'll tell you when I was in Afghanistan, is a little girls go to school? That was the most special thing that that I could ever think of now the problem with our military and the problem with the civilian leaders that we have over to military and political leaders. They don't understand nation building. We don't need to be in the business of nation, building their enemies out there and when you're dealing with islamic terrorism, we need to be at the nine that enemy sanctuaries. We need to be focused, more solid strike operation. When you look at what is going on in Syria right now, you work with the a local ally for slight occurs and you provide them that support and the resources be able to go down there and do what is necessary. Instead of being bought. Down, worried about you know the syrian civil war or you know, building rose or what have you there, and I think that that's what you know. We have lost our site in Afghanistan, Afghanistan, if you're not going to do something about the terrorist actuaries in Pakistan he might as well leave

because you know the two and a half years that I was spent in Afghanistan? We knew exactly what was happening when the snows melted in the passes. They came right out of Pakistan back over into Afghanistan. They stayed there, they fought us until you know the snow set back and they went back over. We rearming reef exact same lesson. We learned Vietnam Vet Lawson. We're allowing the enemy to stage their income in attack us. So you know, or attributed to him said. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We need to uh and figure out. What are we going to use our military for a military is not there for nation building. A military there is for is as a credible deterrent force, and I think that too often people just below Leave, let's put the military out there and, let's figure out as we go along, we want define and set goals and objectives and strategies that neighbors to achieve victory. But I tell you want us:

was happening with IRAN out there, the Persian Gulf and harassment they're doing of our warships. That's got to him. What what do you think of you know the declaration by president from, for example, that the war in Iraq was basically lost. I mean he. He essentially called George W Bush a work from home in the middle of the campaign. I he he suggested the people who had been killed in action in Iraq and basically wasted their lives. Well, what it? What do you think of you know? A republican party? That's moved in this more very harshly, isolationist direction least in rhetoric. If not practice. Well, I think, is really at when people are private citizens, what they say and then I'll send they sit there to resolute desk and they get those briefings they come to understand. You know military fares, national security, foreign policy, they take a different perspec then you're, not a slice. America can't completely withdraw from the world. We we all know that, but what the United States military in the United States should be doing is building those key relationships and partnerships. You look at Eastern Europe. You know we should be. You know better relations with Poland. With the the Baltic States, Lafayette, Estonia, Lithuania,

What? What more can we do with the Ukraine? Because, when Vladimir Putin, so it's kind of wash our hands with the Ukraine? That's when he went in and he took the Crimea when he saw it decimated our military capability capacity. He jinping N Korea's army Bonnie and the Iranians. They are told us they saw that as the window of opportunity. The thing is that you don't want to go out there and seek to fight. You know every single person, but you need to have that kredible deterrent that prevents people from seeking those aspiration's there to antithetical to liberty and freedom all across the world. If I could have gone twenty two years in my military career been and never had to look at my wife and my daughter is in the eyes say, I gotta go and not know. If I'm coming back out. I would have happy to do that, but but a volunteer military military not raise my right hand and understand the consequences

but all I want, or for people in Washington DC those elected leaders and officials to understand if you're going to employ the military, give us the left and right limits to be able to go out and do as necessary. I give you a case in point. We sat down with Benjamin Netanyahu back in August of twenty eleven, an he congressional delegation. He he if you would draw all of your troops out of Iraq, you going to create a vacuum and something is going to fill that back and that's what you need to go back and Sicily, president bomb. He didn't listen and look what happened and just the same as we outsourced our military resources to terrorism in Libya and look what happened so I just wish we would think a little bit, smarter and and one of things I believe we gotta get more veterans. More veterans have been on the ground and the under

Man, the tactical level that could help us, make the right strategic level decisions and we got to have those people that haven't been in military they're willing to listen to them. What do you think are the proper set of rules of engagement? So obviously you came to national notoriety originally because of Contra, see over rules of engagement in Iraq. What if you could tell that story and also what you think, the normal rules engagement should be for military. They seem to change rapidly and almost random. Just on based on headlines. Well, one of the things you cannot do it should be a consistent, steady state. When it comes to national security, it shouldn't be left or right. I mean This be a cost and you can see that in Israel they can disagree on domestic policies, but their constant on national security. What happened, me is that we had information about iraqi police officer that was feeding Intel over to Saddam Fetty. He was not forthcoming with any information, and you know

improvise adapted and overcame and used a psychological intimidation trick tell the mouse going to shoot him. I was going to kill him and actually just fired a pistol over his head and he yelled some information information to us out kept my guys a lot, but understanding. I call it outside the lines I reported myself and about a month later they came down investigator admitted to everything, and I think that's the most important thing about being a leader is you take responsibility for, actions and I'm here today I'm a retired army, Lieutenant Colonel have all the ranks and benefits and privileges thereof, because it was not conduct unbecoming of it. Everyone knew the action that I took was to protect my man when I think of some of the rules of engagement that you can't fire upon the enemy until the fire upon you, two three seconds so lose their life in a fire fight, and if we can pull allowed in a funny, and we should engage think about you know everyone always ask because my id's, while they're always these id's around. Why? Because some Lori said that unless you can prove hospital and

a guy in the middle of the night, with a shovel with a projectile. This about yay, big. Little cylindrical wires coming out of it he's not showing hostile intent. And then the next thing you know in a more someone gets blown up so again, we cannot see it over the battlefield to two lawyers. This is not a a law enforcement operation. You don't collect someone up in you know, question them, interrogate them to try to charge him with something we got to get him off the battlefield, and I think it's so important that we get. You know that studies to people that come in and understand. I don't care republican or Democrat. These are young men and women that are out there protecting our way of life and, if you're going to commit them into an engagement that allow them to go out there and do what needs to be done. That's why you don't hear Bout Isas, because President Trump understood I'm going to allow the military commanders to do what needs to be done. So we talked about some of the chips inside the republican party. When you first came into Congress, you came in twenty ten with the tea party wave and it's really interesting

now. You seen that the Republicans have basically continue to blow out spending yeah the Party way land was all about what what do you think the tea party was about because the the the left is taken into already is that it was simply anger at President Obama, channeled tour de false end of smaller government. And then, as soon as Obama is gone, we didn't care about spending anymore, we're happy to blow out the spending ourselves. What do you think the tea party was, and do you think that that sentiment is still alive? Well, I call a constitutional conservative and that part was all about fiscal, fiscally, responsible government and government that operated.

Within the parameters of the constitution? But yet, when you have a republican party that you know just late late last year, they passed one point three trillion dollar under the spending package. That's a mixed signal! So again it comes back to what we start out talking a little bit about earlier, the right relationship between the individual citizen, an institution of government. I think that relationship is getting turned upside down been a progressive has nothing to do with our indie after name be a progressive. Has everything to do with how

You see the relationship of government to the to the individual. If you think government is preeminent, then the individual small in you're, going to tax them ad nauseam ad infinitum to sustain that entity up awash in DC. Is someone somewhere has to come around reverse that cycle and and get this government to be back? What is intended to be in yeah, I hear people talk about seventy percent, you know top tax rate, ninety percent top top tax rate. What is that going to do to production in the visual production in in the United States of America? So I think that there is still a desire to have true cost of social conservatism in this country, there's still a desire to go back to our founding document in our rule of law, but the thing is that do we have the people that have the courage to go up there to Washington DC and stand against it, look at the Republicans redistricted me out in Florida. You know

and I was always a team player. But the thing is this: when you start to get more attention and and show the some people not standing up for what they say, they're going to stand up for then they don't like that, and so America has to you know once again to create those those founding father type leaders that were visionaries and and we're not there yet, but hopefully we can get there in one of the things that's been really fascinating. Is there's been this open debate. This now broken out. Maybe the last couple months, particularly over kind of the direction of the Republican Party in terms of what the government should do so Is we let off by Tucker Carlson, who gave this monologue on Fox NEWS in which he suggested that the breakdown of family structure was due to a bunch of people in the american economy being left behind by economic choices that have been made, and the counter argument was that the breakdown of the american family in the breakdown of a lot of our societal institutions was really a moral issue that started in the 1960s sixties, our linked to wealth. Or policy that was linked to government failures on on terrorists and that these problems can't necessarily be

mirrored by more government interventionism that this is actually a problem of the American. So where do you come down on the I think that we have more of a moral problem in America or do you think that this is all just sort of economics translated? until morale problems can't afford to get more problem in the United States of America and as a moral messaging problem. Where you know people have the family I mean they do value life. I mean, you think about, says: ROE V Wade, almost eighteen million black babies have been murdered in the world and that's something that should be on cost will be be. People talk about genocide and so again, when I look at the breakdown in the black community of the family and the fact that you had a government program to say we're going to give a woman a check from the government is, she has a child out of wedlock. Continue to give her check the copy. Has this. You can't have a man in the whole, so the the maybe unintended, but I think someone intended consequences that you remove the responsibility of the man in the home

community, where the man had always been that that responsible figure I mean what got the black community through slavery, segregation junker all of these things. It was that solid black family. It was a sense of community, and now I spent decimated so do I think that another government program is going to repair that no, I think there has to be awakening within each and everyone of us to say that we can do better than that. I mean we can protect our unborn, that we can restore our families, but until we get you know, Holly Wood and the culture back on track. That's going to be an uphill battle in a second, I want to talk to you about tech, That's because your book is whole Texas. Hold the nation will talk to that one. Second, first, let's talk about your impending death. Well, hopefully, not that impending. Hopefully, it's a long time before you die, but when you do plots you're going to wish that you had life insurance, at least your family is going to wish that because you don't, be buried in paupers grave. You don't want to leave your family without any options, but getting life insurance is intimidating there a lot of options, it's hard to know where to start making sure you're fat

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ok, lieutenant colonel, let you have a new book out. It's called Hold Texas hold the nation. So what's the basic premise, why? Why is Texas the key to the nation, because the two biggest electoral Vote- States, California, Texas and the left without a doubt, had their sights on Texas? As a matter of fact, there mantra is Turn Texas, blue. Views follow the election results from this past November. There were deaths, a a they really were close to it. As a matter of fact, I live in Dallas Dallas County woke up. My congressional represented was gone. State House state Senate lot of the judicial appointees gone, and what is happening is that the greatest x for two comes out of. California is not avocados. Why walnuts is progressive socialist and if you look at what Nevada used to be you look at Arizona. You look at Colorado, look at New Mexico and

Whatever reason, people are leaving California because of the failed tax and regulatory policies, but they're migrated to states used to be red states and they're flipping them because they're, you know once again holding onto to the same failed policies. So, even though Texas, with the incredible economic vibrancy in the economic opportunities, you have there all the right tax and regulatory policy All the businesses and corporations are moving their Texas, almost elected a far left progressive socialist as a senator, came within three points for winning. How does that happen? Because when you look at these major population centers the Dallas, the Austin to San Antonio to Houston, they will pass so it's all trending toward the blue, and even though Texas has two hundred and fifty four counties. If all of that population centers in the I thirty five card and some other places

just a matter of time and if the left is successful and turn in Texas, the national level elections, you're done you're, never going to be able to reverse that cycle. Wanted scariest things that I saw about the pulling from Texas in the aftermath of cruises. Marilyn over Bob O'Rourke is he called me about it was: is that the polls tended to show that immigrants from other parts of the country actually tended to vote for crews, that it was homegrown Texans young homegrown Texans, who are voting actually more and more in favor of Democrats. Why do you think that yeah. Well, that's the young people and, of course, when you go to like a place like the University of Texas and, of course, Representative O'Rourke was at his event skateboarding. And what have you? But you all so seeing a lot of people that are coming into taxes the, but the the the heads of these corporations understand why they're moving, but yet they're not talking to a lot of employees now without a doubt, the

People are coming from California, loan on New York and New Jersey say: I've had it with the policies there, especially the tax policies, but you also are having people that have coming in within the last year. Two years they don't know they they the history of Texas, but yet they're able to immediately and vote, and I think it's so important that it's almost like a proactive marketing venture that Texas has to go into the say: you're welcome to Texas. But why are you here? And they also have to talk to those young people, those future generations to say you know what future do you want to have a future of liberty? I mean you think of something about this being

last September they had to have a special session for the Texas State Board of Education. 'cause. Someone came up with the idea of removing the word heroic in reference to the defenders of the Alamo in Texas History books. Now, how does that happen? And there are people in Austin want to change the name of the capital of the City of Texas because he wants own slaves, and so I think that is yes, young people, but I think that is also a demagogue traffic that is coming in and you seen that happen, like I say in Nevada and Arizona and Colorado and the politics of Colorado, dictated Denver and Boulder pretty much the and also New Mexico, where Albuquerque and Santa FE dictate the politics and think about what is happening on the other side of Mississippi River. Where you used to you know a very red State Virginia. The state that gave us of our brilliant founding fathers now but is one Cali, basically Fairfax County right across the river from Washington DC. It dictates the policies I mean they have not

had a statewide republican victory in Virginia, for, I think, going on now nine years. Well, what exactly should Republicans be doing differently in in Texas per SE, especially because when you look at tech, this is interesting. I had Governor Greg Abbott on my show while ago and he has been winning a pretty significant percentage of the hispanic vote look at how California has moved in terms of hispanic vote versus Texas. It's really quite stunning. Hispanic vote in California goes seven thousand, and thirty Democrat in Texas goes like five thousand five hundred and forty five democrats a lot closer between Democrats and Republicans. What do you think that Texas Republicans have been doing the California Republicans have not in terms of this past week? I think the difference is that many of the Hispanics coming into California are coming, you know centered around an illegal immigrant philosophy where any of the route, the Hispanics that are coming in the text of the business that is about this more about the small business entrepreneurship. They still have those basic conservative values about family, what better education opportunities, and so they understand that connection

with the with the Republican Party I mean hispanic programs in Texas are very strong and- and I think you see that reflect- and of course you know, Governor Abbott has a hispanic, wife food without a doubt being the first lady of Texas, I mean she's a great person to go out in the deliver that message and but I think that overall, not just in Texas but Republicans- have to get back into the major population centers. They wrote them off for so long and now that's where the left bringing everyone into and those policies in most of those urban errors or fail even in red states. They are failing and I'll again in Georgia when Stacey Abrams want she the land, a metropolitan area than all the rest around, it was right, but she came with the what two points of winning. So I think that's where someone in the Republican Party these to sit back and look at the big map. So how do we start penetrating, you know quote: unquote: did the the blue wall in these? You know major population centers are one person say that

you know Pennsylvania. You got Pittsburgh Burg on one side. Philadelphia on the other side in between is Alabama. Ok, so? How do we start figuring out getting that message into Philadelphia, Pittsburgh think about it. I mean the sugar tax, the soda tax in Philadelphia, who does that hurt the most the people in those City areas, illegal immigration, a sanctuary city policies who does that hurt, mostly the minority population? Is there look at what is happening in the south side, Chicago with the rampant gang violence? That's where we need to be, and if we don't take that seriously, I mean it's just a matter of time and that's why I'm fairly pessimistic about two thousand and twenty and get your thoughts on this, because in two thousand and eighteen the Republicans it up. I mean they showed up to vote and they got swamped a basically all the red areas got writer. All the blueberries got blue or, and all the purple areas got very blue. Yes, very quickly. All those suburban areas got very blue eye and if republicans keep doubling the Down on this narrow base during they're going to lose, I mean president.

I think that a lot of Republicans have have fallen into the trap of thinking that, because Trump pulled a rabbit out of the hat in twenty sixteen by, winning eighty thousand votes in the correct three states, while losing up by three million that that's replicable and I'm having a hard time exactly how that's replicable. The long haul or even over the over the short term. Now Absolutely right, and I think you- and I had this discussion also- is that the american people are very visual. And you can have all the right policies and everything like that. But you know President Trump has to understand that there is an optic and his personality can turn a lot of people off and that's why you're seeing a lot of Republicans and we have to happened in the state of Texas, where you had the the you could break up your your you, don't have a straight line ticket voting right and there are a lot of people. They were picking and choosing and there, and so what we need to do is have someone that is that standard bearer that does for trade. That leadership, image and the policies relate back to it, because the left is going to go back

and to those places where he thought he would have that success. Again, I mean look at Wisconsin, I mean we were not successful. It was constant in two thousand and eighteen, this last election cycle, and so I think that they're going to do everything they can to not allow that to be replicated in two thousand and twenty. So what exactly should Republicans do because it seems, like President Trump, isn't changing his stripes anytime soon. I think Republicans have to talk about. You know the economy may have to talk about the and they have to do this in the inner cities. They have to talk about how they can make things better school choice, school vouchers, education, those are better things for the Republicans talk about in the inner cities.

I think that once again we need to talk about. You know: Americans are safer, we haven't had these, you know flurry of terrorist attacks like we did in the eight years of administration. I'm I'm sure a lot of people here still remember what happened San Bernardino back a few years ago in December. So those are the type of things we have to really talk about, but again it cannot be this outreach thing. It has to find those policies that bring people to understanding that right relationship between themselves and their. To to government the fact that this should be playing over and over and over when the President. State of union address, announced that black unemployment, what is at an historic all time low and they pan over to the members of the congressional black Caucus and they just sat there store ically. Those are, the type of damages is unique. Show to the american people. If you really want to win on this illegal immigration debate and the thing about the Wall get the angel moms out there get, the people have been victimized by legal immigration out. What I would say is President Trump. You do a great

things less of you on camera. Ok, and let let these stories tell them selves and let the american people tell some of these stories instead of you trying to do it. So the central Suu are in Congress for a couple of years. You have any to go back into politics. Are you enjoying yourself too much a lot and I to a band? I have a a heart of service to this country and my arm has been broken so much about you know running again I'll try to reset it anymore. So that was a topic of discussion with my wife and my two daughters over the holiday period motor stars about to graduate from physician assistant school and my youngest daughter graduate college this summer, so that freeze Angela and I up to no consider some of the things that will definitely be interesting. Well, I want to get your take also on some of the issues. Culturally, the the teams have cropped up. We always talk about racism ready, but the other one that that is cropped up is is what you so we sort of worn masculinity. Now you seem to you seem to be a pretty good exam

sample of traditional masculinity in american life- I was obviously military man, a couple of kids. What do you make of the the war on what all toxic masculine yeah, and I think it's absolutely absurd, and you know this Gillette ad, that they came out. I don't use Gillette products I'll just get that up there, but you know the left is defining everything they're, defining our masculinity you know masculinity is about a person that is a man that understands his responsibilities and as a protector. But you all this and be in the guy is, is a socially with all things that are bad and I just hate this collective. You know perspective and- and this group thank perspective that loves everybody, and so I think it's very important that we do read the fine. You know what the what the role

Rules are for men in our society. Look I have two daughters and anyone that tries to harass my two doors or whatever they're going to have to delve find their way to me and that's an important thing about being a strong male role model and the father figure in this exact same thing with you and your kids, but when we continue to have this chip chip chip away, when when you have Colin Capper Nick and that Nike Commercial, you know believe in something, even if it means sacrificing everything. The perfect person that Nike should I use was Pat Tillman. Here is a pro football player. After nine hundred and eleven said, there's something better than this and unfortunately lost his life, but in listed until the army as an infantryman as arranger, it gets deployed to Afghanistan. So I think that what we need to do is start to fight that Cultural war and stop allowing the left to define everything they define, what it means to be jewish and what it means to be black. What it means to be a spare.

What it means to be a woman what it means to be a man, masculinity and everything. We gotta stop this, so you you, in Congress for a couple of years. You saw how unworkable it is. Obviously, there are a lot of folks right now who are deeply disturbed, the unwork ability of Congress and a lot of Republicans who are frustrated, I'm one of them. We Republicans controlled the House of representatives for years. They control the Senate for years they finally get the presidency and for two years they basically pass a tax cut. They, We passed a repeal of the individual mandate and nothing else. They don't from planned parenthood. They don't build the wall, they don't they. They do. Regulatory rollback, but they don't restructure welfare in any significant way. How can Congress operate better than this? Does it is it is? It should be more partisan, more pedal to the metal or should be people be looking for some sort of compromise Democrat, I think it comes back to us as the american people and what we want in our elected officials and representatives, because

we're the ones voting it and putting them and in those positions? And again, I think the term limits is so important. I think too often people get up there and they just get link them to the DC way of doing things, and they don't want to change. They really believe that the center of power in the now stationary is awash in DC, even more Sol Capital Hill. They don't put the interests of the american people above special interests or for their own self interests and that's a bipartisan thing without a doubt, so that you're right here you have people say, give us the house and we'll do this where you get the house well, you know. Now we need to send it. Okay, here's the Senate! Well, you know if we could just had a white house with and then they get all three and then they fail. One of things I admire about the the the left

Democrat PAR their two nations, even in the minority they're tenacious, because they are true believers in what they believe in, even if it's wrong, but for us we don't show that were true believers, then I think at some point in time we have to have those elected represent. As in the Republican Party, there are true believers, believers and I don't know if we're going to get there within the next. You know for years, but this is my real vision that I think will happen there, a third party that will rise in the United States, America. They will say you two party guys you failed us you're, not getting anything done you hunker down in these respective holes and you're, not taking care of us, and if someone can come along and show a principled vision for this country. You'll find third party, and you think that that's more plausible or or the possibility is that somebody's going to come inside one of the parties, so there's been the case made by President Trump, is that he tried in twenty

winter on a third party ticket. Basically, with the reform party, then decided not to we've seen third parties before try and fail in american life, and then Trump launches this outsider campaign and basically takes over the Party Bernie Sanders launched an outsider campaign inside the Democratic Party basically took over that part do you think it's more plausible that there will be a rising third party or that there will be a force inside one of these parties that just well I think that there will be a movement amongst the people. I really do and somehow the people will find someone to to elevate. I mean you know I always off and go back and always talk about how that you know the the children of Israel said they wanted King God said: okay and you go You saw, and the next thing I was like: oh no, no, no, no, no and even when you know

a semi went to the House of Jesse and he saw all of those sons, and he thought it was this Sonny's. Does that side and God said not a step back here, there's the little scrappy k coming in from ten in the shade. That's gonna be the one, so I think somewhere, there's a David out there. This out there just Tennessee yeah mine is all business, but he will be the one that will take this country to the toes next level and restore this country is a constitutional republic and and then our education system has to educate people about what it means to be we're not teaching a constitution, we're not teaching a found. A doctors will not teach in our history, and so something has to happen that that revolution has to happen, because we have a system of indoctrination now system of education, and I think, when all those things align themselves, we have the sorry optimistic or pessimistic about the future. I'm always optimistic man, because it if, if you pessimists, awhile wake up, you know it really is, and- and I did not for generations in my family, all combat veterans. We didn't fight for America to to look

Venezuela, when I was a young lieutenant and I went through checkpoint Charlie over to EAST Berlin. I knew exactly the reason why there was a United States of America. Do you think that there should be some sort of national, component, because, obviously being in the military changed, you obviously have a long line. Your family of changing people there's been a lot of talk about the idea. The young people particularly don't feel any sense of so what solidarity? With the with the ideals of the United States, we feel increasingly disconnected because of social media isolated. Do you think that? There should be consideration of a national service like they have in Israel, for example, some type of national service, not exactly bringing back a military draft, because as Former commander, I don't need to spend ninety five percent of my time with five percent that don't want to be there. It should be a privilege to wear the uniform in United States American serve this country in uniform, but there's so many other things, the forestry service. I mean it just being in somebody's local,

communities and around here going to us some of the you know, feed the homeless type of places. That's the type of community service to let these kids know that life does not. You know, sent around you, take a selfie in your op ed, your I phone, there's something greater when we talked about was separate the military from the rest of civilian society service above self, and we got to restore that these future generations, so you've been going around a lot with the Young America's foundation. Obviously their group that I work with as well and you going to a lot of college campuses. What's made you optimistic once made you pass. Was the worst question you while you're on the road and to and that you know you seem to protest as well. What's that been like going to the well, the worst. The worst question was when the young lady at Northwestern University asked me if identified as black and and but that also, gave me a window into understanding that that level of indoctrination. This happening, that for just believing that you have to is calling the board and the Old STAR Trek next generation

that you know, you'll assimilate resistance is futile, you, you don't have an identity you're, just six or seven of seven of nine or whatever, and- and so that's very troubling. For me, because in college is supposed to be a place, we develop critical thinking, skills and you're supposed to have the intellectual debate and and you're not having that and I've been to places where you know folks. You know they hold up to size, trying to disrupt your or whatever use, plow right through it. And what keeps me optimistic is that when you go on these campuses ban, you see those young future conservatives. There are standing up in the most horrific of such

I mean I don't know if I could have done that. If, if I was a college student in in the same areas where you know your professors against you, the ministrations against your peers against you and they continue to stay so the least I can do is to be optimistic and the fight for America to give these young deserving people. I have a the case that that colleges are basically trash. I mean this is the case has been made by some conservatives, which is that the best move for for conservatives would be to take their kids and either put them in place like Hillsdale College, yes or two, or to take their kids out of college completely into the Peter Steele thing, just if they've got let me give them their kids money, gettin apprenticeship and find a way for them to avoid college. Do you think the college is actually a useful bargain, for a lot of the same college is still useful. I think that you know to develop the mind is a very important thing, but I think that we should have a hills, Dale College, in every single state in United States of America Northwood University is another school up in Michigan. That's a free market for enterprise institution. We should have one of those. You know I once went to

some very wealthy white philanthropists and I said, look at how historic, black colleges and universities are struggling, Would it be great if you went in and just bought a few of them and turn them into constitutional conservative black institutions, you know because when you read the Booker T Washington's, you know autobiography up from slavery. How did he establish Tuskegee Institute? He established Tuskegee Institute based upon conservative principles, education, entrepreneurship and self reliance. Now, that's what we should be, you know bringing forth and in all of our schools that you're there to get relevant education, not just there to get some education in women studies or underwater basket, weaving

And then you got to go out and be a barista at the Starbucks, and you got all kind of massive debt. What are we doing to develop the next generation or productive Americans to go out into our society? And that's why I mean we've got to rethink how education is done, sure not every kid needs to go to college, but college needs to be. There needs to be available, but it needs to be relevant education. Well, this does raise the question of conservative donors because it seems like conservative donors. Very often they only want to give to a couple of clauses when they went to the church, to the to get to a political candidate or three they want to give to somebody who they think is making a splash. How do we change minds in the in the consumer of giving community to say? Look we actually have to invest in local institutions It may not know your name on a building and it may not actually benefit you in the rest again? They gotta stop thinking about themselves and stop creating these organizations, that is reflective of them and their own.

Little rice bowl in there. All those silo I mean when I look at the George Soros is in the Tom's tires and Michael Bloomberg. I mean they found a cause and they fund that caused from the strategic level down to the tactical level, and you could walk it back. All of these groups that are out there. Mom's demand action, the environmental groups, the black lives matter, Antifa or whatever, and you can trace it back to one of these top funders, but we don't have that same type of fervor. I mean we've got the resources on our side to go out and buy a newspaper and and why aren't we doing that, and then we sit back and we wring our hands and say: oh, you know they control this and they control that they control it because we are ceding that territory over to them. So I am,

okay. Yet we do need people that fake from at the strategic level, say I'm gonna, you know develop my army. They can get down here at the tactical level on the ground they can get in this neighborhood and ex city, and I want to replicate that in other neighborhoods and in cities all across you know, I'm going to get the take on this mantle of building constitutional, conservative, edgy centers of higher education and and that's going to be bought my calls for instead, we just got gathering up to a little bit here to a little bit there and they don't fight like the old, Greeks, ma'am, no gracious, locked issues and create the failings. We don't fight like that on, because social conservatives site and it's real easy for us to get picked off, not Colonel West. I won't ask you about you what what drives you, because, obviously you're, driven by a sense of mission and purpose, what instilled that in you, when you a young or what what? What gets you up in the morning every day I mean because you're a dad. Are you a person of religious faith? What is that

Absolutely I mean you know every God born down south got a little bit of you know, pastor in him, but my dad and my mom would just incredible and my dad when he told me that there's no greater honor than wearing a uniform in United States of America, Ok Here was a man born in nineteen twenty. My mom was born nineteen thirty one down south those weren't exactly good times to be. You know black it in the United States where, but they never had a disparaging word about this country. They always believed that the opportunities were there for me to go and excel and do whatever I want to do in this great nation and and that's what I fight for I I called the difference between the equality of opportunity and equality of outcomes. My dad told me that you'll never see your skin color as as a hindrance or an obstacle. You know you find out what the standard is, what what it, what it means to get the a. Then you get an a plus and that's what what I'm driven to do, and the other thing is that you got to be driven to make sure

that the the generations coming behind you have a better than what you have and and that's why I get up every day and that's what a name call and although the Mickey mouse that doesn't mean anything to me, you know if you're not willing to sit down, have that intellectual debate. Then I'm just you know your relevant. You know I don't hear names, I've been shot at ok, things, don't bother and and- and I think that's another thing- that on our side, we got realize forget about the name, calling if you stay focus, on that goal and objective in you know what what you're in state is then you're going to get there and then you just not. The the noise is just background noise, so currently have one final question, for I want to ask you what advice you would give to a sixteen year old kid in the United States right now, who feels like These kind of slipping away, whatever community they are in what? would you say to them to inspire them to greatness and I'm going to ask you that question in just one second, but first, if you want to hear Colonel W answer, you actually have to be a daily wire subscriber right. That's how we get you to pay systems

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