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I'm going to envy empty dot com. Its last Shapiro joined the movement and again look nice right. I mean like you could use. One is well ok, so here we are on Sunday special with your Rogan, the granting of asylum podcast base. I mean this dude made the podcast base the a gas base and is awesome. Also thanks. Banks of recital I did think Ghana corroded I'll, have to go get out of atoms whose I'll have the body? But there's no question, right now you're dominance in the space and is an amazing thing, because you're really gifted giving you can you can sit there, three hours with somebody and talk about most random topic. It make it really interesting. So I need the backstory so of my listeners in people who are fans. Mine may not know your work Well, my not no kind of your story. So how did you get to be doing what you're doing right now give us the whole history? Well with podcasting. It just started out doing a video saying

with just use dream we just doing too, and I, like people, would tweet questions. We'd s answer questions just for fun. I did it once- and I actually did it a couple of times backstage and between shows years before that there is a thing called Justin TV which I'm not sure what that is now became a new company, but we would just show backstage we'd, have a webcam going and would just play around and talk to people and fun, and then we did the one two and I I said Imma: do it again next week will try to do it regularly. So did it again the next Monday, and then it became a We think that we are uploading it to Itunes and then, if we start getting guests, and then I said: okay, I gotta get out of my house. Do all these weirdos one of my house, I'll just get a studio somewhere. So I got a studio and then, after the studio MIKE while studios kind of little, let's get a bigger studios, bigger studio and then now it's somehow another business ain't got a monster studio. You're telling me about now. There's just awesome

pretty crazies indoor, archery range of full jam and its pretty nuts. I have totally gone wrong with this that this too, that there is no question, but so what got you all the way to the the pod casting a mean linked start from beginning from childhood from birth? Like what? What's it? What's your whole body story well from high school. On till I was twenty one I was competing and martial arts tournaments. Thou is my background. I was type window instructor. I taught it boss University. I competed in all these different national tournaments travel around the country, most of my formative years were spent travelling around the country fighting in martial arts tournaments thats. Basically, all I did with my entire day like I was obsessed from the time of fifteen times twenty one. When I was twenty one, I start

we will stand up comedy and I went friendly shift yeah. Well, you know I was. I was realizing that fighting was really bad for your brain, realizing that ETA from us getting a lotta head aches and there's a lot of sparring like us getting into kickboxing, I have three kickboxing fights and- and I was realizing the this- this is going to definitely have a negative effect on my conscience. There is no way around it and the quality of my thoughts and the way I think about things was always it is what most import thanks to guide you through life than like, I am putting my my future brain in jeopardy, and I was seeing it around me from a bunch of other people who were in the jam that were professional fighters and were getting brain damage chosen. Please seeing them starting a slur. Their words in our seeing I was seeing this effect

and I knew I had to get out somehow another, and luckily one of my friends who my friend, Steve Grandam, I'm good friends, are to this day. Talk me into doing Stanhope Comedy talk me into going up in an open when I was twenty one, is amazing. Anyone doing that ever since, when you're socio arrows today Riah you're, so you get the special Don Netflix, which yeah, I have one specials unearth while two of whom there are Netflix now, but then a new one that I just film that'll, be on Netflix in September, which is really say. So I want to ask actually a little bit about the elevation because you're still EAST will cover Emma you're a big in them and they obviously it began a list over there. What do you do you think that there is more about this about the NFL, and I wonder if it also applies to another. Do you think that there is always going be Mme, there's always going to be, and I fell boxing. You think these things are always going to exist. Or do you think that, as a society, we're gonna transition away from those as people start to become more concern about brain injury, for example like seeing the NFL ratings decline, because

seem to be really worried about concussion levels. Yeah. I think in the recent a future we're going to have these things, but I think in the distant future, you are probably not going to. I think we have to move away from them because of the damage that they do, because we're gonna understood unless there is some radical new medical technology that can regenerate brain tissue to the point you, don't have to worry about brain injuries, which is not outside the realm of possibility. I mean medical science, what they're doing with stem cells and excess zones and all the different therapies that they're using on p. But today, who knows mean who knows what they're going to build new fifty years from now? But I think since tiredly likely that until until then, until some radical new technology come I think it's probably gonna be less than the last people that are interested in having their kids sign up to a football you seeing that now defiling have less and less people interested in fighting, since

a traumatic brain injuries have been revealed to be. You know, really prevalent in kids at are involved in like football, even like pop Warner and high school levels, and in fighting I mean just from the time a kid can hit hard in. I like with the urine like one of the good things about martial arts tee kids young, as we teach him young they currently her each other. Yet so, even when there each other, it's all very light, and their learning technique and movement before their real consequences. Ass. They get older, though now, if you're sparring, when you're a teenager during your sparring when you're you know in your early twentyth you're, absolutely giving yourself brain damage is just part of the package that you have to just be able to figure out. Ok when of ice whenever suffered enough when, when am I getting out- and that is the big question for a lot of fighters, when do I jump off this ride because it so exciting are doing. Is such a incredibly

thrilling and glory filled event. You know when you are competing against another person. They lock you in a cage and they were described. Fighting me people like to think of it as a barbaric thing. I call it high level problem. Solving with dire physical constitutes an s really the best way to describe it because you're trying to do something, someone is trying to do something to you and which are net eggs and knowledge and technique, and discipline and dry focused? These are all factors that are mixed up in this thing and you're trying to figure out who is gonna come out on top, and then I wonder if maybe that's the reason that emanates gonna keep growing as data held. His honesty in marketing. I'm a may you're gettin we're watching will get the crap rye watching people bleeding you bones, get broken ineffective in promising for years that, basically everyone's fine Sal just watching people hit pillows, and then you see him later and they can't walk in their fallen apart Emma I do wonder if there is,

a certain element of channeling, just the human, Dr Critical, the male drive for aggression in watching these kinds of sport, because they are not a genteel dude who love I'm amazed, specifically because there's part of just the human psyche that needs to wash people get their skipped, yeah, it's genetic, its stuff, we and our core minutes. What lead people to overcome being invaded by. Foreign villages snuck in it in the middle of the night, yet to to fight with your hair, how people fought over mates. How people fought over territory and property is just a part of the human experience and two to have it. Boy down into a martial art. Then it's like you get all the satisfaction of watching combat, but the end of it. People were friendly, they hug here, they shake hands, they raise each other's arms of the audience, cheers and collapse, and it's very thrilling- and you know- and some could say it's actually cathartic- that it actually releases this desire for aggression and violence,

There's a good case made for especially as you do you see that the animal kingdom you see chimpanzees sparring with each other classically just did for a show. We certainly shared among young boys Agnes, if my two year old now sure like constantly to fight for your girl, she was to sit there and be nice and play with her place. The toys and in red and white to Europe wants to kick kicks. I mean He'S- got lucky as hard core which gives us a you know one of the topics that united talk about before just sort of these, these gender differences between male and female. It s been watching the less we had been probably year and a half since we last talk. What do you think of sort of the movement? That's continue to pay to get rid of these these gender differences they ve been seeing in society. More broadly, it's very strange because science, denial of some and the left is all about. I until it comes to gender and once it comes to gender, they don't want to hear about studies. They don't want to hear about genetic differences. Chin males in feed

else, and I want to hear about preferences or or any studies that show that people with higher testosterone testosterone tend to go towards certain activities. People lower ones tending, and I want to hear about them. They were they. They want this weird thing where you not even having the boyscout anymore. You just have the scouts like there's this view bizarre desire to eliminate gender as even just even a variable So very weird- and I don't I don't- Why I don't know where it's going on, I know what's causing it, I suspect its people that don't enjoy certain aspects of male versus female competition or male versus male competition and the way that they feel like they could sorted diminish. That is to try to make the whole subject seem like as if its fruitless and there's nothing there, let's leave. No. There is no difference that it's it's a weird weird time when it comes to,

discussing gender gender, all the sudden with which was something that was just out. There's a boy. There's a girl mean our whole life within the last half a decade. It's become this hugely politically charged jack. Where are you? What do you like? I saw my work my way, was reading this thing that she had to fill out today and she Look at this. She knows it says What do I identify with male? a female she's, not it's like state, your sex. It used to be state right, acknowledge what do you identify with and I'm like What percentage of the people are we placating with this yet a core? what's. A bizarre actually has medical consequences, so I know a lot of doctors because it has said many times. My wife is a doctor and their cases now where doctors are walking into a room. It says on the charge that somebody is of a particular sector. They are not of that's acts because the writing, the sex. They perceived themselves to be what changes? Your diagnosis, given complete, different body, you I heard but stirabout one patient and came in and was having low.

Four abdominal pain. Well, if you're a boiler- you're, a girl, That'S- can make a pretty large difference, how their diagnosis goes. At least a doctor. No, what sex, you're born with it's it's totally while in it at its all this attempt to level, I think everything in the attempt to just get rid of natural differences between human beings and pretended orange just like. We all want everybody to obviously have equal rights and equal liberties does not the same thing say that everybody is gonna, be equally strong enough in fighting ring. What do you think is causing all this I mean I think what's causing all of this? Is that the deep desire right now in a free society to try and figure out why some people succeed in some people and were never allowed to say that their natural issues at stake and in some I understand is essentially based on race right. So, for example, you see a lot of people who will say you can't ever talk about Rachel differences in IQ, because that is going to lead to towards us racist conclusion that you race defines or iq, which is silly conclude There are racial differences in IQ based on and of group statistics,

no relevance to the particular individual standing in front of you, and so using this black eye is stupid because his black as racist using their group differences in iq because every study ever done, it shone group differences that IQ naughty based on racial groups necessarily based on different groups generally between between you know, age groups, their differences and, like you? Actually, I, if you, if you show that at least from young age, to two like twelve? If, if you mention any of these things, then overriding the idea of a tabular ass, a human being? Who can we create in whatever image you want? What people really want is to correct the cosmic imbalances is Thomas, also know. What do you think is behind it, I think to Irving Gear whom the nail on the head- and I think there is a tremendous amount of white Gill involved and it is well make- is basically the iq test or showing when they do study differences. In to end and races, you're, showing the rise of the superiority of the asian race need aid.

Dominate those things and everybody is sort of like well. That's that's. What's not talk about that? talk about white and black. That's more convenient it's easier and they could find a victim and they could find a perpetrator, and we also seeing like there's a lot of asian groups that are furious because they are getting discriminated against about getting into colleges and universities, they ve higher standards because they have such a high percentage of Asians that are getting into the universities and it's it's very strange because they are not vote. About it and they are not there they're not publicizing at and they're, not screaming racism in the streets, but there the victim so they actually the victims of hard work and success and excellent genetics might look. There's no question it in the differences in culture are really the place where we should be putting most our focus because when it comes to you know actual imbalances, there's only so much that you can do right, I'm not can be fighting you in a ring anytime, soon, side just get destroyed, but the same that, but when it comes to cultural differences, that's the stuff that weak

incorrect floor. Instead of doing now, are we tend to do? Is we tend to pretend that the cultural differences brought about by media decision making by parents in or or by immediate communities. It's it's something out there. It's it's racism in the ether or is Discrimination Writ large. It's something! It's something out there we can. We can put our heads around it, exhibits, something that's making us imbalance and showed the way to fix. That is by getting rid of all imbalances that we see and if there is an imbalance between men and women will just pretended that doesn't exist anymore and that it must have been caused by something that we can't quite control yeah it's definitely not an objective way of approaching the issue. I think there is a host of different factors that play into every community right. There's the the echoes of the poor The behaviour of the people who live there before you all the consequences of other people's actions that have affected all the people around you, people going to jail, people that have experienced racism, people that have experienced a poor treatment by law enforcement, massive distrust around you very deep,

got to excel in those environments, are constantly like running away. Gangs and headed home, I don't think we should hold those people up to the same standards as we should people to grow up and very safe middle class communities where they don't have to worry about other stuff. I think there's a buzz buzz different factors and everybody's. Looking for why exactly the one factor that appeals to their ideology oh pry, AIDS problem, also anytime, you mention IQ, everybody goes yeah is immediately. They suggest that you, what you're saying is, is racist and the truth is that, whatever You differentials there are, is unclear and how much is explained by genetics sent home as explained by environment. That sum is clearly explained by genetics and some is clearly explained by environment. As soon as you day that everybody suggest that you are operating in a racist space, so it's as you say when it comes to data, This happened with SAM Harris when he was being interviewed by as recline May as recline. Just when after him for suggesting science is science well scientist or if you don't like the science and using the same thing should apply when it comes to biological differences

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ask about about the comedic imbalance. So I know that later this week are scheduled to have on rosea words were pre taping, this a little bit to use natural. They have on Roseanne. What do you make of the research funds? You think that aid He was right to say: dumper shall, after after her bizarre tweet about Valerie Jarrett, well with serious just saying that she was gonna beyond my podcast. She said it and then I got all these tweets. There were saying boy Joe Rogan the you should fire me for having this racist on my part, as I know, I'm going, have a conversation with one of the greatest stand up, comedians of all time, a person who I deeply respect, who, I think, is mentally ill. She is on a host of different medications. Taken Ambien and drinking. She was pushed to the brink of exhaustion. Doing that television show and she's made some very poor choices with some things that she said. She would be the first to tell you that, and I dont think that you, I don't think you get an understanding of her from a tweet or fraud.

You know of one sentence: description of what she did. I think you need to hear her and hear her talk. She's gonna be the first person, Tele she's crazy, and she is, she's, essentially at least functionally mentally ill in all. But it's also why she's such a brilliant comedian she's, always been what you would Kalisz stir sister, you people dont, remember like she's the one she sang, the NASH anthem, rabbit across and spit on the ground, and everybody went crazy, that's Roseanne, you know, and I think people wanted to turn her into this love. Ball. Mother, there's this like thing that people do when life gets weird, which is like It's out right now where they want to look back to the past. Where things just made sense, can just bring back the Roseanne of Old look John Edmunds there too. This is amazing. Everything was safe when I was a kid and that's what they're trying to do

They don't realize, like she's, tweeting, crazy about someone like their from plan of the apes which, by the way she said, She didn't even know that that woman was black and she's. Just telling this to me on the phone she goes, I'm not still bid. You think I would say that about a blackberry, I thought she was jewish. She was o Connor Schiller's. Like my relatives, it's what she said to me on the phone. I believe her. I believe she makes some terrible choices. I mean shoes, I someone sent me some stuff this morning like look work with this crazy and she's tweeting sent about George Soros- is similar Soros. I just I put them. On down a walk away, because it's all like lizard people, it Alex Jones and into dimensional child molesters. George Soros trolling marijuana and I care about That's like the number of George Soros to me. As my like, my mother, the line that I will not press my DMZ of like conspiracy,

there is as soon as you get in the Soros is Soros. Hiring those women's Mark people that I want to be there. Throbbing paid like how much money is now. I have a million people in every city. What's he paying them a dollar, even if we pay them a dollar, that's a significant amount of money, and then Do that for a dollar you can have to pay a lot of money or do you sure, they're being paid, but it's like that Soros Guy soon, as you start tweeting and talking about Soros, like ranges checks out there. That is our big problem with with Rosanna Lotta celebrities. The attempt to means amendments nor more human beings, and you see this from both sides. I think, to certainty tat. You saw the republican incidents with kid rock, where suddenly kid right to run for sending any definite, see economy unwise there doing the same thing now our economy, it was his is a grand exporter of the constitution of the United States and listen, I'm happy

for anybody to think for themselves of Kenya wants to talk about voting Republican, I'm republican, I'm happy with that. That's fine! But to pretend that entertainers I mean I've. Looked at her, my entire life from the entertainers and show people are a bunch of crazy people is just not too that there are like the level of nothingness in this town is so high and yet the halo, a fact that we have about celebrities, well, if their failures- and I see them on tv, that must mean that their smart in real life, no, no, it's a biological trick, and would it. Is when you evolve, when, when all of us lived thousands of years ago, we look to the most successful member of the tribe the one it was over, the one that everybody revered. He was the best hunter he was smartest warrior. He was the one with the scars and his face that it survive battle and he can relate to you. The lessons of a life well list This is what I learned this plants poisonous, that snake I'll kill you and all of this stuff

now gets relate to someone who is on a giant screen. Now we see Brad Pitt is head, is twenty feet tall? There's music when he talks his lines are all carefully constructed by a team of writers and we get sucked into it. Like he's a real hero, and we do that for anybody that gets attention, whether its Kim Kardashian or Taylor, Swift. We we see these people borne. Millions of people are paying attention them. So we assume that there's some quality behind everything that they're saying there's something special about them, but there's not it's a biological trick that is its perpetrated through, and that does not by a grand conspiracy, but through media through being able to put them on Youtube screen or on a television or laptop or wherever you're digesting and the knowledge that, when you're, watching a clip where Congo West start about running for president looked out the number- and it says, only got twenty four million people of watch. This and these fifteen thousand thumbs up what Duff and

this is the world were living in today, so you you, you say: well, it must be economies, gonna win, Conyers gonna win, and this is exactly how Donald Trump got an office. We have a popularity contest to see who becomes president, and we have the very first ever popular person enter upon hilarity contest, a guy? Who is a long time, media personality who knew very well how to manipulate that? How he was charismatic is of a bold speaker he's not afraid to piss people off. He knows he s a bunch of people that like what he has to say. While them up in this. What strange about taking the word of celebrities over the word of professors or of public intellectuals or of people that have actually carefully considered all these things are discussing and have a lot of information and their basing these conclusions and these statements on a long history of research- and this is it-

well you're gonna get from Kanye. Is dad doesn't even read he doesn't reed. And he's our guy who uses your incorrectly, although I'm the wrong your leg piers Morgan, I mean we both have our thoughts on Pierce Morgan, one of things here he wrote like corrected him It is. I know you're never going to be president of the commission for that, because that's exactly what brought about said about I'm actually on the agenda from President giving Gimme your taken less than I thought he was before the election yeah? So what was so? What? What's your take on President Donald Trump, since we now have a year and a half of the Donald Trump Office, everyone socks of their job pillar with Socrates? job. It would have been a disaster. I think our health would have failed. I don't think she would have made any difference in the world. I think he's gonna make any difference the world for the positive. I think what we need is a council of wise people, and I think that this idea

one alpha champ that runs the whole thing send a popularity contest is crazy. I think it's a terrible idea. I think it was a good idea in one thousand seven hundred and seventy six, it's a terrible idea. Two thousand and eighteen. I just think it works, and I think you should be able to vote on line, I absolutely thinks you build a vote online. If you could dear tat says online. If you get the bank on line and do other different things, are people do online be very easy to register and you'd get a much more balanced per cent the population, then we do now it'll be by bite. Having these barriers, like you got to go to a physical location, you going to sign up long in advance there preventing certain people from voting, but that's good or bad, is up. Debate, but I think you want to get a real understanding of how all grown adults in this country feel about certain issues be able to vote on line and having one person run the whole thing like a president and be able to do some things that Trump has done like Strip the EPA,

out of its power, you know give the thumbs up to sure drilling laughings scottish people cause is real consequences for many generations in advance. Forget about that! That's what he's doing with the financial institutions and how is opening up doors for businesses, that's debatable. Good or bad. You know what's good for the economy as it is it bad for the middle class is about this. These are good questions, but I I think, what's good about having someone who is widely regarded as being a competent as president is that it's entirely possible that we might until a point where we have to rethink the way we run and structural governed, so additional more encouraged by his presidency than you are. I think one of the reasons is because the checks and balances worked. So I think unless we talk, we said no from an unjust run roughshod over the entire system of government and the reality. Is that no reasons

suffer the executive level, but this up that he's done as the executive level should never have been in the executive level. Anyway, it should be our legislature stuff. So when you talk about what is done with the EPA, my feeling is that we should have a congress that man, the actual law on the environment. We shouldn't have a group of unelected bureaucrats who make the actual law on the environment we can't get rid of. If we don't like to complain in so having them right. These broad was then delegated to Donald from friends over me. Executive or Brok Obama's friends over the executive. To then interpret and change while the stuff with takes out of the hands of the human. Things were actually elected to do it and who we can throw out. I can throughout the EPA administrator. So it's one thing that's been but about trumpets and there's the arrogant. I've made two people who don't like President Trump. Is you don't like president from totally fine? I don't, like President Obama, that it was garbage. Here's a great idea about. None of these people have a lot of power. Have only just evolve, lot of the power all the way back to the local level and to the states. You stand there. Environmental issues where they cross boundary is the crossings.

Why, for example, is going to have to have some federal environmental regulations, but a lot of stuff can be done at the local level, whether you're talking about financial and petitions or whether you're talking about environmental stop. Most environmental damage being done at the local level is not being done across state lines. So it's it's. I've been encouraged by the fact that The system is more durable than I thought it was. I think the founders were smart enough to build in a bunch of checks and balances at the president as much as we tend to think of him, as the eye can runs everything I mean let's be real about this. President from the sitting on the second floor of the of the white has eleven in the oval readies in and second for the White House, watching shark wake and every downstairs is actually doing a lot of the work trend for the other policy with Congress. Somebody gets done some, but doesn't, and even a lot of those people, their time online think trying to figure out. Action can to visit the White House so that the Quest it. S really is four year for your money,

do you want to see a more active government or less active government, because I'm going to happen with the gridlock, I'll, be honest with you, I kind of like the fact government do anything. There is definitely some prose too that I think it would be better if we had more competent sis. And I agree with you that the checks and balances have we ve shown that they need can't just throw everything out and just run trump mania all across the country. I think there's definitely some some positive to that gridlock. So it's ok, so what what changes, which makes it the system, as you talk about the system being being procedure about online voting, do mean my voting direct on issues remain on my voting for representative, all the above, I guess like the referendum system in California? I think of you have opinions on things mean. First of all, this is Billy unpopular. I think you should have to show the you have an understanding of what your voting on Egypt probably have on climate tat HIV, if you wanna, get rid of the idea requirements and and retain the actual,

You need to know what you're talking about my arm and I think I could little. I think you should take a test and if you understand what what the consequences of your decision Are you understand what what is, being voted on. Then you can vote on it. But if you just reed just go check yes check? No, just do it haphazard, just cause you're, crazy person, and you happen to be eighteen. I think that's pretty ridiculous and that, but to have a test and have someone say when you have we have to be required to understand- have a rudimentary understanding what you're talking about in order to make an opinion that can really literally affects three hundred million people, that a lot of people would say, that's bad because then what about you are you? Are you saying that people have to have a certain intelligence level in order to vote? Is this like you, didn't you at the door of eugenics like. What are you where you going with this? Why think? It's not a bad idea to say that if you, A vote on really important issues like whatever, though

the issues are whether its funding, the military or abortion or whatever it is. You should have an understanding of the subject. I don't think that's unreasonable, but people don't want any extra work and they they want things to be very, very convened no other virtues, signalling, also being able to road. Half have voting right now is a virtue. Signalling like demonstrates the public at large to people at large. What this vote means to use those Hillary Clinton campaigning on, if you vote for me, you'll show that you voted for woman for Morocco bombings shown that vote from one guy providing for Donald Trump Estate. Your middle finger to the system itself, symbolic loading very little of it seems about like what is actually gonna. Do once you there and that's that's it. That's a serious from ok I wanted to. I want to turn to kind of the political correctness that how do you do your job and politically correct universe, but first I want to say that

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lending club die, comes lifespan, guess I'll loans made by what bank member after I see equal, has a lender. Ok, so you make jokes for a living being the loss of jobs for living hanging to survive in this environment, making jokes for eleven, just piss people off this you're gonna always have people. We gonna more people have set with you and is more righteous indignation. I think than I ve ever seen in comedy of admiral Our people furious at me for what are clearly jokes than ever at any other time in my committee, artists thing rags, you make it supplements, clearly a joke and then some rights down the transcript of the Euro. They have to explain the joke right. That immediately kills exhaustion. As you explained, joke is no longer a joke, so make a joke. That's it politically incorrect. And then they write it down, and everybody who heard you at the time knows that you are making a joke. If they write it down, then you have to explain it. We're automatic we accepted the realm of jobs and now you're trying to explain the statement as long as as true or decent right is not the point. The joke in the first place, yes exactly and you look, you miss the context. You miss the way,

delivered. You miss the tone. You miss everything, but what they're doing as they just trying to find targets- and I think that's one of things- is happening with Roseanne. That's why things is happening or whenever anybody screws up in the media. Are you you? You just get these people that they want a target? It's a game and the game is take someone down. The game is all someone out. Take someone down. Shame them. You know, get get the twitter urban, the Facebook MOB get em after I'm. What's girl as goods move, let's start hashtag, let's attack Morgan Freeman, I already told a joke. This is like. Did you read the the the woman's account on CNN with with a camera and argue with Morgan Freeman. I think we covered up, Member. He was playing God in a movie knows played gotten a movie and she asked him if you had magic power. What would you do with it? And he said you would never stitch clothes on. That was the joke knows it and- and she was like God, you mess with,

wrong girls and I'm number. Seventeen at all these girls have come afterwards like wow, you, like he was on. The spot is being interviewed. He's out of, Ed carpet. He tries to crack a joke about you, be a naked like exist leave the worst thing that ever happened to you is this really is, or is it just a joke? When I'm looking out and even in text, I find it to be silly, but just a joke is dying, obviously justified, ok, still just a joke. It's just a joke! Why? I think there is that a clash happening is one of the reasons why you become incredibly popular. Has just don't care right. Well, it's I'd feel like. If you have you money and you don't save you, then, whose pointed circle is going to like I'm a good person, I'm a nice guy. I pay my taxes, I have a bunch of Greece

friends and loved ones. Young kids- I am kids, I try to be nice to people. That's what I try to do, but if I see something, that's ridiculous and I make fun of it, and people get mad at me for that that sign you. What does on you, and this is why you it so there is a picture of you, along with the rest of the intellectual dark web in this big near, tells you but anyway, I know we sang the bush or something like four summaries and everybody was foliage taking in taking these pictures. So what the whole intellectual dark web contingent, and there's been this now huge backlash by. Folks, particularly on the left say, what's up with this intellectual dark, let me just a bunch of unacceptable deplorable people talking with each other. And then you have anything to say what would you make it the whole phenomenon? Well, the name is all Eric. Rare Gwine stadia Eric Eric is crazy He loves like all the cloak and dagger and other, although hidden them distant name. That intellectual dark where it's like. He concocted that's our asses or behind the arrogant he's brilliant alone

I love his errand, our line. I have ever met because- and I can't understand, have what you say: yeah he's he's he's a variant. Sky, but he loves all this stuff. He gets a kick out of it and I think there's a certain amount of silliness and calling it the intellectual dark web when you- and I are essentially in some sort of super group- would win wars Where could work that they actually yeah and what I felt was fascinating was that a lot of we're trying to label us is like deplorable conservatives and, like the one I say, This is a group of renegade conservatives or I'm pretty liberal, like pretty liberal across the board a few elude. You won't talk to me about gay marriage when to talk to me about gay rights, women's rights, drugs, you go drugs, you go down the line, universal health care, universal basic income and I'm pretty liberal like its, but it doesn't fit. The narrative of I look like a trump supporter right leg,

there's a white buffer. Why? I am of why Bob Guy works out too much? There's there's a lot of you know, there's a there's a lot of noise, to label someone to an easily dismissal category in that that categories. Conservative, like ruthless Nasty mean non Oda persons, not kind, and not it not. You're, not of a person who is caring about other people, you're conserve you're, a mean bully, mean mean mad white man, was his name. That said that the Jordan Petersen in the monk Debates, Michael Dyson, I think, is regular, decent yours. I asked that neglect ice and yet that I called Jordan Petersen, I mean mad white man, a man me one of its there's there's this need

the Grant of Ryanair Sally and proceed to have some half the people are who are members of the members of the club where exactly Dave Reuben his gay rights, they Larry as it is this really like? Bizarrely diverse group of ten million, really ideological universe? Do it's a bunch of you like Brett line stained, who is a member of the of our secret, our secret group Asia, socialist, you back Bernie Sanders in the last elections, so. What do you think generator? I wasn't just the political correct. The insanity? I left it there, everybody out dishonesty, its dishonesty, it's the same thing that lead to what happened with Brett Weinstein's at evergreen when they had this day of absence where they wanted all white people stay home is okay. This is racist. I give you your cat, you you're absolutely targeting people based on their raised in saying you're not welcome here. This is a day instead of being a day of absence where people of color stay

home voluntarily and weren't chastise if they didn't? Instead of that, it was no white. People have to go away, and if you don't, you are racist, and this is what happened with bread, It is a terrifying story, and when I interviewed him on my part gas, it was before he had left evergreen. He was still employed there and he was talking to me about mobs that were wandering the parking lot with baseball bat and they would look for him, and it was terrified me how to get you to take family of the state and who is this? Is this these nazis and he's the k k K? Are these rights wings thugs know their extreme progressives with pink hair who whore you know non baron, airy, sexually, very bizarre and theirs a lack of reality that you you have to adhere to this narrative and if you

not adhering to this narrative than you are some horrific person who is a product of the past in your part of the patriarchy? And it's not an honest discussion these in. If you, if you see all the people that are involved in this, you know air quotes intellectual dark web, though thing they have in common the all, we're going. What enough is everybody about? What is this what's happening here why? Why are we pretending that men and women are different things? Why? Why are we print? Ending that to tell people that you have to stay because your white, its racist? That is absolutely racist by definition That's what racism is. You're discriminate against someone based on race, not based on their character there, their job position or anything else you just just white people grandma thing they did. They concepts the scenes of United. This group of people who get her all over the place on everything from religion to free will to politics is one we all like data

and were intravenous if the present us with data we're all happen to take a look at it and maybe chain our opinions based on the new data that your presence in gas that are very important an end to the war willing to have conversations about those data without regard for the political niceties, three the world, I think big into the idea of putting people's individuals. If you didn't for me as a member of a group, I'm really not interested in talking to you and I'm not interested in being labelled as a member of a group either. Yes, outward we're a group of people who don't like groups, basically Riyadh and Malaria, but that is exaggerated, is a group of people who don't like groups but were also very friendly and kind and I'm sure you and I disagree on a bunch of things, but we agree on a lot of things as well. But what I like, about. You is your very reasonable, intelligent person that is, you you're, a very polite person, the way you talk to people's very polite I think that's something that has been voted out of my reputation, maybe impolite. But you are light person, you're, very kind, polite person, and I think that this there's something missing with this

but this ideal idea war that people are engaged in where they were a demonize people disagree with them, instead of just sitting down talking with them say. Why do you think this? Ok, let me let me try to look at it from your perspective. This is why disagree and they have a polite exchange of ideas instead ever fighting for their life, as if you know whether or not trans people can use the girls room is going to change the course of history. It straight a strange light is a battle grounds, the lines that people are drawing the sand and and if you're on I saw you the enemy and you need to be shut down and stopped. It's there it's a very weird time level, anger is really really troubling me in and that something that I do feel like his kind of news. I have spoken in college campuses for a long time because I'm thirty four now, but I started doing this after seventeen or eighteen years old, now speak no college. Campuses NOS twenty and I never had brings security with made to any of these college campuses ever until last

for years, the last three years I now have to have at least two men security team at every college campuses and usually more than that, based on what the police are telling us about reports in advance out half the time. Nothing materializes, but a few I'm things of materialized in it's been trouble on and that that sometimes happens. Where do you think this level of anger is coming from? Because it appears to me that that's what's new, like these political divides, have always existed these political divides being right and left or political divides between people who are more interested in collective solutions, verses, individual solutions? Why do you think people are so pissed all the time in there? Just the EU filling the air. Like they d, the eagerness to stamp on somebody's face is really strong as why, when the Roseanne thing happens, it can't be like what you're saying, where occasion immensely, Person maybe have take the show off the air. Maybe that's the proper response, but she might actually have a problem here. She she certainly does. Well, I think it's coming from toxic tribalism. That's what I think I think people there on a team,

They want their team to win and they want their team to win by any means necessary and there they they feel disenfranchised, because we have a President Donald Trump when he is here. As and he stands for a lot of things that they find a boring, and you you have People now that are calling themselves Antigua and their there by literally by their own actions, acting a fascist manner and they call themselves anti fascists and their pudding bandanas in their face, their hitting people with bike locks and their engage violence and though the left is using violence as a means to solve these differences that we have and ideas and opinions there. Shutting people down like her you know have summers does yelling out at her a woman whose her whole life has been a feminist, her whole life you call yourself a factual feminist because she wants to women who

are in power nor intelligent to be held accountable for their. The actual facts behind what they're saying and you don't have to discuss this- to empower people with reality and by doing that, she's become an enemy. Amidst very strange to watch her get shouted down by other feminist, who think that she's the wrong kind of feminist, It's really bizarre, but the anger and the vitriol, and that that that the violence is attached to it is something completely new and was always associated with right wing thuggish mobs. It was always associated with hate groups like k, K, K or something those lines in NEO Nazis, but you're, seeing this level of violence from from the left. Now these weird, like you personally, professors in these dorky people that are saying, burn this mother down and

people bore in the streets and white people, the problem and in their there's, so many people that are tenured professors that getting away with saying, like ridiculous, crazy and calling out for violence, and it's completely irresponsible, and it's it's. It's fool. She feels weird too, because back in the nineteen sixties, Is there something to fight over my earliest back in the sixties, if you're gay Ok, I don't have my rights there's something to fight over or blackens. I have my rights. True there's something to fight it, where your female and you say well, feminism, hasn't hasn't, though it needs to do yet. There's something to fight for the right now. Countries pretty good things are pretty good for the vast majority of people in this country. Put aside the economics for second cause, people always they'll arise in economics. It just happens, but in some of that is natural in some of that stuff. That's fixable, but one thing that is certainly true is that the notion of a gun mental invasion of rights against any of these groups? This is not some

it is commonly happening. It's not that the government's cracking down on black people are hispanic people, or at this point and gay people, and yet there's this level of anger that feels like riots in the nineteen sixties, a little bit more about that, and just second first on makes money so powerful gonna say thanks her sponsors, overt stamps, that comes up these days and get practical everything on demand. Our progress. Then when everyone, obviously one is convenient for you. Why are you still going over to the post office to male letters and packages when you can get postage ottoman withstand staff come withstand How come you can access all the amazing services of the post office right from your desk, twenty four seven, what is convenient for you? You have to get in the car and waste gas money by imprints official yours postage for any letter, any package using your own computer and prince or the male carrier, just picks it up quick print, male you're done it. Couldn't. Is your usage. The daily wire offices we visited the Shapiro household as well in Shapiro, stand

right now, you've been guests for this special offers. Promo code been guess. You got up to fifty five bucks free postage to digital scale and a four week trial go to stamps dot com before you do anything else on the radio microphone at the top of the homepage type in that promo code have been guessed that stamps dot com promo code been gassing, get a special deal alright. So about sort of the levels of chaos in. I have a theory so mighty Elliot out for you. So my theory and where you stand religiously, are you agnostic, atheist, we're just more agnostic than anything. I grew up Catholic and I abandoned it. When I was a young boy, went to catholic School not cured me, then here's my theory, my theory is that everybody has broken down the travellers and because it used to be that we are a larger tribe, meaning that the way the EU that the www defeat local tribalism is be back getting a larger tried that everybody feels a kinship too in a membership twos and the United States. Yet people have had travel kinship to state governments and then after the civil war that basically went away because the federal German

stepped in and stopped slavery through through war making power and people felt a general kinship to the federal, government, your American. Now he wasn't your californian or your texts, and you are now american The same thing goes back to biblical times what we have in all of these various tribes tribe of Manassa. There, and in the trap of the fry em and about their there, the Jews right there there's bigger tribe, they eat them and they used to be that the tribe for Amerika was called. America ran that travellers was bounded by a certain set of creedle values, values of individual rights, values of personal virtue that these things had to be combined. You'd be good person, your neighbours, but at the same time the government had no right to to come in and take your stuff and force you to be a nicer person so you're. The idea was that you voluntary

they were going to be a nicer person, your neighbours, because you thought that was the right thing to do, but it wasn't that governments job to come in and force you to be nicer to your neighbours, because that would be fascistic and overbearing and tyrannical and that's gone away because people don't feel like they have to be nice to their neighbors. They the end, I think part of that has to be connected with wax. Community institutions that you know I'm not. Everybody has to go to church, but people who are injured This tends to get along better with each other in the church than people who outside the georgian people inside the church doesn't mean that you gotta pick a church, but it does mean that we have to, some sort of community institutions and right now we are savagely tearing apart each of our communal institutions up to and including things like and I fell, or suddenly things were we would buy. Nobody likes to brutal Sunday was a binding time for the country What kind of combined over that we can find over anything right now, because all of these creedle values have been dissipated by our own personal malevolence toward each other. I think that's a great point. I think it's great point too, but the benefit

religion is that you do have these ideas and values that are shared amongst US community in group and we you are an atheist or an agnostic mean you, don't really have that group other than like what you will getting from a lot of Asia. You get this really hard core progressive idea, gee that has in many ways like a religion, and I think this there's probably some real merit way sang in the Robber Putnam HAT makes this point and in his but bowling Aloni talks about this. This new fascination with diversity and the diversity is our strength in this. This whole line- and he was a believer in this report- this pressure, Souci big lefty, and then he says that that diversity is a shrink this guiding kind of notion and then he research into and what we found is, as diversity of a census tracked increases the only thing that he found that increase our protest march. Hasn t be watching as the only thing

It actually increases in a particular area based on ethnic diversity. He said the only area where he could see that ethnic diversity actually made things better was in the context of a broader the groups in the army, for example, than ethnic diversity as great as then, you get a bunch of people who are fighting for the same purpose and the guy she's your brother's manifest black white. You see this with people, we talk to them, Terry all the time when they talk about people of different races in the military. This is Surely the way they talk where people of different races, the military, which is very different than the way people talk about race in the United States, were broadly said. You ll see this in churches, but communal institutions, if they have declined so markedly that's the only way. I think that we're gonna be able to have a system where we can all live with each other is to reestablish some sort of some form of communal talking with each other. Even if it's just forms like this one, where we're we're we're talk with each other, and we, if we did, this live we'd get thousands people the shop just two years. Talk to each other. Even those sort of communal institutions need to exist, otherwise we're going to completely polarized mean, I think it's one of the game.

I love the internet. I've been my living on the internet, you make your living on the internet, but one of the dangers of the internet is that it's all personal to you, your natural, have to go. B with other human beings gets hide behind the screen and sweet nasty things at each other yeah. You also can find this group of like minded people who share and ECHO chamber. That's that's another real issue for compromise. I think what you're saying makes a lot of sense and I think that we do need. We do need community, I think the more people like you and like SAM Harris and Eric and Brett Weinstein's people who are open minded people who, are willing to discuss things politely with people and not shoved

try, the algae down other people's throats, the more we exchange information with each other, the more this idea of being able to communicate like this becomes popular and I think, there's real benefit and that, I think, is real benefit in these kind of podcast style discussions. Because of that, because you can sit down with it with a person that may be does share. The in his view- and they can talk things out- and maybe disagree- maybe argue but be polite to each other and realise that a lot of These ideas that we have what we have these printed Herman notions of the way we think thing should be, and if you don't fit with my predetermine notions, then there's no be something wrong with you: It's never just examining these notions in finding out where these ideas coming from and why so married to them. And what, with? What is the solution to make everybody comfortable? Is there a solution, canning and get in? Can we stop demonizing people to disagree with US

The principle that I think also unite around this, why everything labelled conservative, really because everybody in that we ve been talking about here in the end, actually does personal responsibility region taking responsibility for your own actions and you can be- left is double even taking responsibility for your own actions, but it seems like so much of the left is dumped out of that area. Increasingly on the right to, rather than a lot of president appeal during the during the actual elections cycles. Him saying I'm coming to solve all our problems at my own expense, sovereign debt. Problems are the only way to I've. Gotta get better. If you solve Europe's problems, because their very few people who had their problem solved then, who actually are able to have a successful life in the aftermath of having all the problem solved for them. You know it's a very good point: why are we are considered conservatism in Jordan. Petersen is interesting example to as much as he calls himself a classic liberal. You know people have a hard time deciphering. What that, as they don't even bother looking it up, and he is but more

Then I think anybody in that call group is getting attacked The same has words are getting taken out of context. Is positions are getting distorted, even in debates then, in during the month of Pneumonia, Cathy Newman or that will mindedness. There was amazing. Did you within your times profile and Jordan? I read a little bit of it, but it was in his money there that peace was so astonishing that my favorite part of that peace is. There is a part of that peace where they suggest that Jordan Petersen is in favour of what he called in course monogamy Yanza they did their suggestion was that Jordan actually wants you shackle women to men and securing do like use. Google, it isn't it in Antwerp alive ethical term is talking about the difference between biological monogamy and socially constructed monogamy. That sound is talking about. The left is so out to destroy him that their willing to take me out of context at any level. It's just not well

This also willing to engage with people and discuss things that he's talking to reporters that are looking to get him and he's openly discussing. Intellectual ideas and and and and puzzles like how do you figure, I don't know- maybe it's enforced monogamy. This is not in this is like a weird way of engaging with the press. Buddies he's so comfortable with these idea puzzles. And an bouncing them around and using them almost as intellectual exercises. That'll, do it publicly with someone who is looking for flaws in his armor lead in this but you knew so well by the way your show- and I was trying to explain to somebody why you're shows how popular, because its unique thing, what you do and what were you send them? Is that When I look at you as a house or when I look, you use a thinker you're somebody who's

Taking people along an intellectual journeys undertaken the journey with them like being on a road trip of ideas with you on your show, you think that's a pretty good description of what you do throw I try for in a way this I want to know how they think it enriches the way. I think when I have smart people on and I go through their thought process. I feel like I get a little rub from that. I get. I understand that in their viewing the world where there are completely different life. In me, I think this is a great value and that I think that one of the things that people get out the podcast is they're getting this and think that I'm getting mob, while I'm sitting there talking to this people to these people. So what what is it? What you big plan here the EU can continue doing. Obviously, but where are you? you are in five years, there's no plan theirs A plan to get here? There's no plan to stay. I have zero plan, a meat I might abandoned and around now am I am, I decide. People are too crazy. It's a difficult! I really don't know, got the wilderness yeah, probably just just get a shack somewhere and spoke.

I don't know. I really have no idea where, where it's going to go, but I am enjoying the fact that, because the podcast popular I can get really interesting people on like, our bloom or Jordan Petersen or you or always fascinating people, and have these great conversations and I've really enjoy conversations is taught me a lot about the that the way to communicate with people allowing people to talk actually listening to what they're saying engaging them on their ideas, not just waiting for my time to talk which, as with so many people do mean it's it's also, let me led me to understand how rudimentary most people's conversation skills are when I'm watching people, even in like really important meetings, is talk or each other and disregard with each other to say is no like the devil, lack of like solid communication skills that I think you really foster on a podcast and these

These conversations that we have, I think one of the best things about them is that you're getting an insight other people think- and it allows you to examine the way you think and you by just by virtual- listens this person. For your headphones or in your car you're. Comparing your thought process to their thought process, and I think, ultimately, that's what we're strut we're trying to strengthen the way we view the world and and and strengthen our clarity and and taken as much information as we can see that information but what a truly is not what we want it to be so in their journey. What you're doing in you have a very wide variety of guess. I have gotten flat for a lot of the guests that you ve gotten on various sides, including flat for having me on your show. How do you carry performed the gatekeeper function? How do you decide who is just not worth Having on your undershot, is there anybody who you think he's just not worth having inertia? Eyelids I like talking to people

you know, I mean if I want to talk to someone I want to have on my show, I'm going to tell you, like I told you, I'm going to have TED Nugent on my show. That's probably going to be the most push back other than Alex Jones. Have any I never had, but I don't think it's my job to not talk to people that I want to talk to. I think it's my job to even if someone's, if I want it, I mean, there's got to be some horrible people out there that I would never want to talk to that. I just don't like the way they speak out. Will I don't like what they stand for maybe TED's one of them? I don't know. I have to sit down talk to him about as long as I feel that I am interested in having a conversation with that person, our era and look there's a lot of them out there, I mean I do three hour podcast due for five a week, you know like one of em good dollars that one may not have ones on with Emma may fighters and I'll get like people as a guy those ones. So why said? Okay, let me just take those and I'll have a separate podcast, label them the information, the Jerry emigration. Now you know you know if I have to

they're gonna water, JOR saint Pierre, we're gonna talk about fighting for a lot of the time and then, if I have on Jordan Petersen or SAM Harris, or whoever else might be interviewing Robert shy are you and what sort of a different things? And you don't you like it or you, don't like it, but there's plenty people like it. So I don't care if you again you that a few monies air is in good shape downstairs. I think this, but having that the the wherewithal to understand that, if you're enjoying it, if you like what you're doing that's contagious in these cuts procedures. Interesting conversations are contagious, like I am interest in people that are engaged in interesting conversations and when I listen to podcasting, I listen to people discussing thing and I know that the really locked into this conversation is fascinating. To me I mean- and we don't get enough of that in this world we are dealing with

you know, you're in office is your and cubicles. You deal with human resources and there's demands on the type of things you discuss and what you can get in trouble for and most people for at least eight hours other day. There are locked down with this rigid informed way of communicating in speaking, and it's very frustrating, it's very frustrating and it doesn't represent your thoughts. It represents these patterns that you expected to follow in the world of business and and commerce, and you know office space in politics, and I just think it's very, very frustrating for people and its not natural, and I think that's one of the reasons why people yearn for uncensored recession in net. That's what you're gonna get. If you go to the european experience in its it is amazing to have a listen to it. First of all, if you listen you this, I'm sure you ve listened negotiate, but if you haven't go check it out, the european experience shows thanks so much for Saint Ives Nathan attitude.

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