you may have noticed Marxism is on the rise again, that's kind of a shocker in the aftermath of the fall of the Soviet Union. There is going theory. The theory was that we had reached the end of history that, from here on in it was basically going to be liberalism, laissez faire Egon. Makes that the fall of the Soviet Union had definitively shown that the end of gum, redistribution, ism and centralisation had come. That obviously, was untrue because it turns out that the pitch of Marxism, The end is not really a page about. Efficacy were utility it's not about making you wealthier or making you happier about changing the nature of man. The basic idea, of Marxism,

the idea of socialism is that human beings are inherently good and the only thing that Rex, that inherent goodness, is the systems around us. When we see bad things happening when we see inequality, we see cruelty is a crime that has all the result of the evil capitalist system. In which we are plunge, so if we just change that we just destroy the entire system and replace it with something Colin called fairer. If we get all of our rights from government, as opposed to God, worrying so much about individual fate and start wearing a lot more about our community as a whole? Then life will be better, not wherever it's been I'd, communism has been a failure and wherever socialism is tried, it has only been a success to the extent that capitalism support it when you look at them Not a socialist countries. In northern Europe, for example, it is perfectly obvious that these are capitalist countries, listen, social welfare policies. However, you rise of marxist theory anew, I mean pure uncut marxist theory. The idea that income. Inequality is in essence, immoral and exploitation. The idea that free market economics is again exploitation basic,

ocean that free exchange is somehow a violation of personal rights that is on the rise. That's why you ve seen the rise of the squad and the Democratic Party is waves in the rise of Bernie Sanders, who doesn't really advocate for Denmark style system, he more or less the centralized government systems of open communist systems in praising those for literally decades now. The fact is that the rights system of the United States is a good system. Capitalism free market there not just effective their moral, their based on the principle, but you're in individual human being and that your labour belongs to you. Do you have the right to alienate that labour voluntarily? That requires your consent for a move that which belongs to you from you and that the best thing that can happen for the world is for people to engage. In mutual exchanges, because the bottom line when it comes to socialism is I'm here. I'm breathing give me stuff the bottom line of but was amazed. Is gonna get anything from you. I must I give something to you that free extra makes the world a better place. It leads to technological development. It leads to prosperity, apart

happening here is that so many Americans believe that they hit a triple when in reality, their born on third based, meaning that all the prospect, they ve been experiencing is the result of a system they now to cry. They tend to pretend that prospect. Is the natural state of man, that being rich being powerful? Being free? All of these things, are just how the world works, and so, if we chip away at the pen, visions of our society. Everything will be fine that through. Not only is it not true, its moral personal possibility lies at the root of capitalism. Systemic responsibility lies at the root of socialism, there's only one problem: social is not only a moral, it is ineffective and yet the slogans of Marxism have become ever more popular while this week we're bringing you the best moments from last two years of the shell with unique perspective surrounding it, and some of my own reflections on the question this week, we're looking at the distortion of the terms. Capitalism opportunity and hard work in favour of socialism, free money and a desire for coddling from the government? I'm right into with Peter Robinson on the communist threats of yesteryear, but first let's talk about,

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We were convinced that these days, so if you need life insurance hadn't over the policy genius dotcom right now to get started, it could say fifteen hundred bucks or more a year by comparing quotes on their marketplace policy genius when it comes to insurance, it's nice to get it right. Let's start with a man who literally faced communism had on Peter Robinson, was the chief Schwaiger too, then. Vice President George W Bush from nineteen eighty two to nineteen, eighty, three and then specialists, and then speechwriter to President Ronald Reagan from eighteen? Eighty, three to eighty eight, it was Peter wrote the address from Reagan in Berlin in eighteen, eighty seven, they called for General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev to tear down this wall, which at the time was incredibly controversial. During his six years at the White House, Peter wrote three hundred speeches. For the last few decades has hosted uncommon knowledge with Peter Robinson at the Hoover institution. Where is it you'd an enormous number of political leaders, writers and fingers over the years he's authored books included

Ronald Reagan, changed my life and it's my party, Republicans messy love affair with the GEO be and has been published in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and many other when Peter Robinson found out that he was going to be featured on Sunday special again. He sent us this letter, the United States of America as a miracle free, democratic enterprising in one country which millions of the rich and the poor alike on every continent on the plan dream of moving. That's the themes which ban and I kept for turning when recorded this conversation several months ago. What has happened since Bennet which the book entitled, ironically, of course, how to destroy Erika in three easy steps and the Democratic Party, failing as usual to display any sense of humour has adopted a platform that takes? upon the suggestion, as Ben knows as Michael Moles, Andrew Clement and all students of history now America has always been a close one thing: the revolution might availed the civil war. Might have ended in a stalemate instead of a victory for the union, the cold war might have continued for decades,

decade. The Soviet Union steadily expanding its influence in the ninety nine. These and beyond, as it did during the nineteen seventies. None of these things, happen for one reason in each generation- Americans, not all Americans, but enough recognize what was at stake remain true to their principles, stood there ground and fought now. It's Archer S inspiring stuff from Peter Robinson interviewing Peter was just Absolute Rowan, an absolute leisure he's a tremendous historian. His is breadth and range of now is incredible and, of course he is himself a part of history, a key cog in the wheel, the the fall of the Soviet Union, the actual evil empire in episode, seventy five Peter talk about whether Americans can unite without an existential threat like communism facing us and the tension of having a shared view of american history, but first Peter tells me the story behind writing the tear down as well line in Reagan's historic speak. Mr Gorbachev, tear down

well. Nineteen. Eighty seven spring of nineteen, eighty seven Berlin is celebrating some eight hundredth anniversary Gorbachev is, to visit, the queen of England is going to visit, and the west german government remember was West German in EAST Germany. In those days, the western government asked President Reagan to make a visit I got a sign the speech and flew to Berlin before of this- would be six weeks or so before the president was to speak there. To do some research I went to the wall and one to the place where the present was going to be delivering the speech. It's all gone now. Why was there the Reichstag, which was still packed with shell of case? marks from the bombing this at the final battle of Berlin and behind me was westward and modern city, color life movement, recent model, car,

and then you look over the wall and there is almost no motion guards marching back and forth It was ass, though the color had been reached out of it. Everything was great Brown. The buildings even look dilapidated, so there is. This was a place where you could feel the weight of of history communism, their capitalism, sheer was the place where the soviet advance stopped at the end of the second World war. This was the these? Were the Americans and the British had had taken over so At that moment, I was a young speechwriter in trouble, because what could I write that would equal what you felt there, though felt weight of history several other stops in Berlin, including one to the ranking american diplomat, who is full of ideas about what Ronald Reagan should not say? Berlin is surrounded by EAST Germany, the people who live here very sensitive to the new wants and subtlety involve necessary for EAST West relations. Don't

Ronald Reagan, sound like an anti communist cowboy and by the way dont have and make a big deal about. The wall evolve, gotten used to it, and that evening I went to a dinner party West Berliners, whom I had not met. We had mutual friends back in Washington, and so they put together a sort of a parfait for me, I fifteen or so people different walks of life. Professor, a couple of student and my hosted hostess were lovely retired people. He had worked at the bank in Washington and retired back to West Berlin- and I asked the question I said I've been told by the american diplomats that you ve gotten used to the wall. By now,. And there was a silence, and I thought I made just the gaff that the diplomat doesn't want Ronald Reagan to make, but then one man raised his arm and pointed and said my sister lives just a few kilometers in that direction, but I haven't seen her in more than twenty years. How do you think we feel about that law?

and they went around the room they stopped talking about it. They had not stopped caring about it. They had not stop hating it and each person told our, one man talked about walking to work each morning each morning he would walk under a guard tower where there was an east, German soldier with a right full over his shoulder, who had peered down at him with binoculars, and the man said we share this History. We speak the same language, but one of us is a zoo keeper. The other is an animal and I have never been able to decide which was which and then our host a lovely woman called Ingeborg else who just died a couple of years ago, she must have been younger than I am now. She was in her perhaps in her early fifty's, she was very gracious, almost had been charming throughout the dinner party, but now she became angry and that if this man Gorbachev smacked her made a ball just inspected into the palm of her of her other hand. If this man,

or whichever is serious with this glasnost, this perestroika, he can prove it by coming here and getting rid of that wall And that went into my notebook because the more when she said that I that, if Ronald Reagan had been there in my place, he would have responded to that remark: the simplicity, the dignity and the power of that remark. So the answer that a long way round to get to the answer, your question, but if the question is where did that phrase come from the answer is it started. With a german woman who lived behind the wall herself. As somebody who was five When the Berlin Wall Speech was was broken the the impression that was in the aftermath of the fall of the Berlin Wall. The end of the communist regime in the USSR is that it was the.

End of history, that now everybody was friends again. I'm even watch Terminator to your character, saying to each other wine. The Russians have missiles pointed out us we're. We're friends now ran there's this grid, feeling that arises in America that, basically it's all over and it's you though we sort of turned our guns on each other as opposed to the existential threat they used to, just out there, maybe that was temporarily lifted. A brief moment in time after September eleven, but we are certainly back at it to an excessive degree right now. Do you think that Americans have enough in common now to actually hold each other data to see other as non enemies. In the absence of an existential threat like the Soviet Union. I do I do believe so I also believe we have to work at what we have in common, so I'm trying to say something, I'm trying to put this in a way that gives some sort of edge or some said it's some sort of interest, because this is the kind of thing that you say on the radio, every single

and God bless you for saying it, but I didn't come here just agree with you. On the other hand, I will identity politics. The politics of of dividing Americans That's not only wrong it's if that approaches. In my mind that comes close to a kind of wickedness, because why is it think about this. Immigration is a problem. We have to draw blah blah blah blah ball. That is true, but why is it that a Mexican who just crosses that border within a few months finds himself were in a position to better the lot of his, not just as family, but his village back in Mexico? what is it about this country that permits remittances back to Mexico of almost thirty billion dollars a year. Why is it that one of the first thing things the Chinese to China

the Chinese who, since nineteen seventy nine when Deng Xiaoping, had his opening to markets and now there is one of people in China who are rich. What are they do. They try to buy real estate right here and in southern California. Try to invest money in this country. What what what is going and the answer, of course, is that the United States of America is a miracle and be cherished and sustained and nurtured in every way we can people who come here, I'm trying to think. Back now, Ronald Reagan didn't lived see the kind of uncontrolled immigration that we have witnessed since he left office and so fundamentally pretty relaxed about immigration. But what he always understood. What people that generation always understood was the people come here to become american,

so the idea that it is in the interests of certain politicians, you and I am sure- could go off and do a whole show on the problems with California. This spect. A killer states so blessed in so many ways, so beautiful so filled with enterprising and talented people and thou. And yes, ok the problem with California is the government of California, in whose interest. It now is to colonise certain groups or communities of people when they come here for political purposes and try to trap them, in a certain kind of mindset, instead of permitting them to end her into the fullness of american life. That's just wrong. It is just wrong. So the answer is Yes, I do believe we have enough in common. We have our deals? We have american history, the resources of american history from revolutionary war. Where you see that seems providential the way

Washington is able to escape from Brooklyn cross the Manhattan the wind blows it the right way, it just the right time the courage to stand up to what was then the It is empire on earth. The civil war Lincoln this martyr in it giving his life to hold it union together and to abolish slavery, greatest generation in the Second World WAR. I would argue that the cold war, which is a bipartisan project, to begin with Harry Truman. It ends. What's wrong. With George W Bush and in between. Intellectuals behave by and large, pretty badly really during the cold. Worth, but its ordinary american people who continue to vote to sustain politicians who want to spend the money to do what we need to do that that this country Able to sustain that kind of a project across four and a half years, four and a half decades, rather until communism, collapses and the Soviet by the way. This is his pet people

it is now we're. Not allowed to say that our side, one, the cold war? It just ended melody one, but nobody lost just ended. Well, let me point out one thing: the United States. Still here in the Soviet Union went defunct. We won the resources of american history, the ideals that we have the ability the this is what your book on, what the right side of history. The astonishing thing about with western civilization is not that its western. It's that it it consists of permanent truce, which are open to anyone from anywhere in the greatest exemplar, of that tradition in the world today, the United States. Yes, of course, we have enough resources if we choose to sustain them. Long time. Friend, of the show sender, president, A candidate and host of the podcast verdict with ten crews. Instead, goods from two thousand three to two thousand and seven

crews served as the solicitor general of Texas, essentially hired. You handle appeals involving the state from a constitutional was perspective. He argued before the Supreme Court United States nine times winning five of those cases cruiser, what did as you're senator from taxes, the senator first became the popular in two thousand thirteen. When you twenty one hour speech on the second floor, to hold up a federal budget bill in order to defend Obamacare, it led to a government shutdown, ruffled lot of others, but it also showed so there's a senator crews was committed to walk the walk of a conservative, political leader can hear him tell this story in the full episodes. Crews joined us and gave his purse, I'm being raised by a father who fled Communist Cuba in the fifties and regards America's eyes of government and its control. Growing sentiments with regard to socialism, centre crew. The story hits home on the need to fight against tyranny when we, let's recruits know that he was going to be in this episode. You sent us this letter this November? The american dream is very much at stake as the precious and freedoms. We cherish are under assault by the radical left months.

Following the horrific death of George Floyd, thousands of Americans across The country exercise their first amendment right to peacefully protest against police brutality and for equal justice. However, these protests were hygiene by violent anti for members and other anti american anarchist would arrive at protests with weapons rocks commercial lasers, ledge, hammers and weapons grade fireworks to use and the men and women of law enforcement. The very people who put their lives on the line every day to protect our lives and rights is vital. Should be universally condemned, but unfortunately Democrats have been largely silent. It made a cynical medical decision and believe it's polluted, expedient to stand with the rioters, I'd sure to hear in just a few weeks ago. Not angle, Democrat who participated in the hearing would criticize Antigua in many Democrats across the country are actually supporting calls from the violent mob to defend our police departments. This is the way of the Democratic Party. A Democrat Party it refuses to condemn anti violence, refuses stand with the men and women of law enforcement, Bernie Sanders running the show, scare, every American. We need to stand for justice,

stand with the men and women have one Foresman who, by and large, engage in proper conduct and sea and for freedom? That is how we protect the american dream, as from centre tent routes for the school I've been friends, etc? Crews for a very long time I back in his original raised against David do her than lieutenant governor of the State of Texas. I've always found centre accrues to be charming and fun. I dont you always say that side of tat, but he really is quite fantastic in episode. Fifty four here tat tell me about his family. And about how his community there has been a community is a fundamentally conservative community, but conservatives need to communicate the message that connects with them. Politics is my family store, milk all of us are products of her family story and and my dad as you My dad fought the cuban revolution. I mean when he was a kid when I was a teenager, he was fighting alongside Fidel Castro. Fighting against Battista, who was a corrupt dictator

and end was thrown in prison was tortured and and dad came the to Texas when it was just eighteen. And I grew up as a kid hearing stories. Hearing stories about in freedom fighter and it actually works out. My father fought with Castro. Didn't know Castro was a communist when they anytime. I really want to yank my father's chain, aka column, communist guerrilla correlated drives and what he knew was that Battista was corrupt. He was in bed with my being a godfather to you know that hold me nervous that without what it was. It was a completely corrupt dictatorship and the revolution is my dad describes it with were bunch of fourteen and fifteen year old. Kids, you didn't know any better, my dad left in fifty seven in any fled Cuba, because it's Batista's army was going to kill him. The revolution succeeds in five thousand nine hundred and fifty nine Castro to Claire's as a communist against eating people's land.

Executing dissidents and my aunt might the Estonia home very close to she was still there she's my dad's kid sister Anne she fought in the counter revolution. She fought against Castro. She ended up being imprisoned and tortured by Castro's goods, and then she she ultimately fled Cuba to came to Texas and so my cousin baby and I babies is- is Sonya daughter, the two of US kids. We literally grow up sitting at the fee, of my dad and my aunt and listening to them tell stories of fighting for freedom and then that's What I've wanted to do. My whole life, for as long as I can remember, since I was a little kid is- is in our house. You know it wasn't that politics was something it just kind of read the paper. No, that's interesting! We there was an urgency to what it was. Having principled men and women in office. That's how you protect herself from tyranny, and then so that's what I wanted to do. My whole life.

Things has been fastened into me. I'm from California. The republican party has been eviscerated among hispanic voters in California. That is not. What is it When in taxes in practice, or is it a fifty five? Forty five sixty forty split in favour of Democrats, but it certainly competitive with Republicans here something like eighty. Twenty in favour of Democrats, that may be higher. So what has been done in Texas? What are what have you done in your races to help draw hispanic loaded? So looking in Texas and twenty twelve by guy got forty percent of their spanning vote and twenty eighteen, I got forty two percent of this panic vote and then- and that is despite the media- demagogues like crazy and listen. I think the hispanic community is a fundamentally conservative community. If you look at the values in our community that resonate faith, family patriot,

hard work in a friend of mine years ago, ass, an interesting question. He said when's the last time you saw in spanish panhandler tee. I don't think I ever have, because, frankly, mismanage culture would be seen as shameful to be out there on the streets begging and yet you look at hard work, individual responsibility, and it those our conservative values, and you also look at what unifies the hispanic community, which is the image experience coming to America seeking freedom? That is a mess that resonates. But I'll tell you. I had the exact same message in Rio Grande Valley and overwhelmingly hispanic communities that I had indeed peace, Texas and end the message of jobs, freedom and security. That's a message that resonate. Look. I think the hispanic community.

Is a conservative community, but we ve got to respond to the needs and interests and values in the hispanic community. If you look right now, Today we have the lowest hispanic unemployment ever recorded, we lost got the lowest african american unemployment ever recorded. Now Wow show that is the democratic twenty twenty primary. None of them are going to admit that they're gonna go they Hispanics and African Americans that are seeing the lowest unemployment ever recorded. They're gonna say these policies are too, terrible for you should go back to the Obama policies. Will you higher unemployment, much higher poverty. Fatty is nonsense. May get me one of my favorite stats, the last two and a half years, the last two and a half years. Five million people came off footsteps: five million. And an look as Republicans what we ve got to be able to articulate fat and explain in a way that that's not just as a number on a pie chart. Over five million real human beings was your mom and dad,

half years ago they were dependent on the federal government for the basic food needs who now present linen not in a job. Their common home tonight, they're carrying a beggar groceries, are set down in the kitchen table and those dad you look in their kids in the eyes there haven't the dignity of work, the self respect of work. That is what the Eric and dream is all about being able to prove for your family, achieve your dreams, but we ve got communicate antagonist ban, a community. That is a powerful message: Hispanics, don't we be dependent on government and what? What? What the socialist, what Democrats say, they want them to be dependent on government. They wanted to be a vassal, dependent states, vote for Democrats and be trapped in dependency What I saw what I know Hispanics want is the independence to chase their dreams. That is a conservative message back in episode, thirteen we were joined by one of the most influential writers of the last half century, David Mammoth, author of a variety of books.

And films, including Glengarry, Goin, Ross, paced, the Untouchables and the EC We award nominated the verdict and wagged on a rare, outspoken Serbia's among the mainstream culture and a critic of communism and fascism. David grew up in Chicago. Is parents or first generation and he began writing well in high school in college and then after graduating any and every job in the city. This introduced him. What the actual working middle class of Chicago was like in the sixtys which will find his stuff and even drew him towards projects like the Untouchables and one of the more recent books Chicago City, now the man it was truly and- What really was an honour is a creative eclectic, guy and his view the world is command of language is just incredible David. But had to work to stand on its own two feet. It paid often acclaim down the road doing work. You love will be discussing that here, but for starters, listen to David debunked, the free this economic justice and social justice and discuss with me, the danger

of democratic socialism in american government. People on the left are costly, suggesting the capitalism is this dog eat dog business where people are attempt to terror each other down and they used as an excuse for government interventionism, but it sounds like Your basic view of human beings all human beings are basically at each other and that's where we have to come to basic agreements leave each other alone. Would you I was watching yesterday that the great Tucker Karlsson, I'm crazy about him. He had seen cockamamie. I think Democrat something other congressmen, and he says that the guide I'm a crisis. We secondly says you guys got much more than a Gulf bag, so the world- are you gonna, run on the mid term? Some guy says economic justice and social justice. So well, ok, they said we'll, let's break it down to the in the english language, English. What does economic justice may in the end? Has it there

the justice right, it's communism. What it means is somewhat state as a means of some one is going to stand up of whatever rules we have for commerce and decide what just took home right. So was acknowledged, Tom Soul said once ever anybody says it's gonna helps you say: well, who's gonna hurt rights. Economic justice is at the but are they communism it saying and communism is someone's going to be in charge of say you have to give to me and I'll keep I'll keep what I think I want to give it back to you, which brings we back to when I realized that the whole of the the marks, idea from each. According to his ability to each accord to his need, really begs the question, because The term which is missing is the same,

I shall take from each according to his ability, which means the states from which rebellious The state shall give from each according to his them understand, the term. What you need. You dont, determined that anymore, you don't the term which are building the state does so so much for economic justice. I thought social justice has that different them decaf, just swayed by good cause. Garden decaf justice rights for justice is drawing a line that would just, as is like taking a line of type and justified I meant to say this is in that's out. Is there the injustice in terms of justly ashore Tom. It says with those waters, injustice. Ok, We're gonna have a mind quite social, Joe this means there's no line whoever screaming loudest to say this is what you have to do things. I witnessed a much referred to the wine,

for a while. They say no no for a while that law, the law is insufficient and I got a guy talking to a truly so obviously the constitution's out of date. How would two thousand two hundred and thirty four years? document possibly be relevant. I so in that way we sitting reading the poor, but What I said was witnessed. Second, ok, let's say it's out of date: how are you gonna fix it? What do you suggest and, more importantly, what are the rules by which you suggest we're gonna set its set? Go about fixing it because social justice is fascism. That's what it means Instead, the group of people who are screams the loudest gets to determine what the law is not always ends and murder. So that's it. Did you two wonderful of phrases, economic, justice and social justice, which don't mean nothing as the Samantha status, which would tell us they mean some and what was the first thing they do. Is they went out aesthetic very optimistic that future the country

do you think that credit? We know somebody so long time ago said no democracy survives more than three hundred years, so I think that this new shift to a constitutional report back toward a constitutional constitutional republic is going to lengthen the viability of the american experiment by fifty two hundred years. That's what I think what you think I mean I'm a moment pessimistic, then you just because I feel it. The pendulum swings pretty far in this country and in its swung from Obama Donald Trump, which means that has got a swing back even further. The left the next time around, just because the Democratic Party by default has made itself, into a democratic socialist party, came at european level, socialist party, and so when the I was once it's gonna swing back toward a Bernie Sanders or in Alexandria, Cassio Cortez at least temporarily. And that's not good for the contract, I dont think that there are a lot of substantive. Conversely, is being hackers. People are so angry at each other, and I do think that has

who, with the lack of a common basic values, are details like when you were growing up your growing up with the feeling that, despite all the corruption in Chicago, if you worked hard You could get ahead and it was actually or obligation is decent human being to workers make something of yourself, and I feel there are entire generations. Are people in this country has been raised on the premise that a guy, is actually a terrible place that is seeking to put its boot on your throat and that anyone, We're claims that America is good is perpetuated of this evil system, but it's true but all these generations were raised and, above all, on things start buckskin can open outlets sufficiently enough to keep pace with that growing population. So what I can do for living have their apparent Steiner and other sit Monica. Working as a bar restaurant got it. When I that's too the question- and I do wonder whether these folks have a skill set for only they dont minutes. Go thing gets me at this point that the lot of kids I mean I I wanna- go live in it,

what the old woman had so many kids. I have but the way we talk a lot and I talked to them and that some of them experienced great joy of doing some for living. Yet any needs but I dont know that their that many people in united to actually see that they see this. You there twenty people either, and maybe the pessimists tribute I see a lot of people in Europe. State you see work as something to be avoided like a bit. The attribute all of their stress to work work is always a bad thing when it, what things in their life that they want to get over its work in For me, my goal is to work until I die, because that's usually how many retired gothic bit so, but I am, I believe, his sword, the belief from there from the book agenda, which is that your put on the earth to cultivate it undiminished, cultivating it there's no reason for you to be here any more, but I think that there are lots of people who actually leave the dare put on here here on earth, for least time and enjoyment, and the more than require of you, the harder you have to work. That's an inherent fly in the country that it will work,

in applying the Bernie Sanders logic were so rich wife. Anybody have to work well Bernie. So I think I met him in the old days because I spent a lot of time or about the same age, overlapping and north simple remark on things overworked Dan is life literally. He hasn't that mean he was kicked out of a commune for not working enough when our mind rejected it. With its actual thing that happened now, he owns alike ass right. So it is a great country where you can never work in your life and have awake ass ratification would build a blogger. While the question is what the question is, which the young dresses words, the money come from history from the government will all the government could do is is either Turkey were steal. It from you or wasted or spend money on things that happen, but he needs, but nobody wants to pay for or things and nobody wants does the item the government could spend the money on so the output per person, dozens Where does the money come from? What I worry about it, I'm not sure that it is that we have a problem of economics, is so much as a lot of votes on the left thinks the problem of redistribution is in the economic system, and I was, I really don't think that's the problem. I think we the problem of virtue and heart,

I think there are really getting with their there's a giant hole in the middle of the american soul that that has been carved, thereby forty fifty year, of dependence on government and a belief that there is no higher calling for you that you're your job on this earth is basically to experienced most pleasure possible and then die, and You know what replaces that other than a return to some sort of centralizing values, one Neither, except that I have a difficult time controlling myself. I'm someone even attempt to try to control some El Skimpy, what's gonna, be oh yeah, I'm in a manner tangled compelling people, but I do think the appeal of a moral lifestyle, has always been a hard sell and its it said. Polly really hard Selwyn? There no consequences to morality? Well, those very good book on the subject which called the Torah What's the consequences for morality and it's a plague or forty years in the desert think twice about let's talk a little bit more about hard work and skill set with Micro MIKE was hosted the. Why

popular reality. Series dirty jobs, which has his website, puts it transformed cable. L, a vision into a landscape of swamps, sewers ice roads. Coal mines will direct crab boats, hillbillies lumberjack hymns. Today, micro hosts the pod castaway, I heard it and the Emmi winning Facebook Watch web series returning the favour in which he travels the country search remarkable people? He also runs the Micro Works Foundation which award scholarships to students pursuing a career in scale trade MIKE a business out of showing us that hard work truly matters talking with MIKE was a lot of fun is personally, France's differ so much from my own. Transformation from sort of a news guy into a voice for the working classes is really an incorrect. The story and a reminder that so many Americans are doing a kind of hard work and jobs that many of us don't hear about in our daily lives. In episode, twelve might tells me about his foundations, sweat pledge, skills and work ethic. Abu, and why some critics seem to hated so much and we just the political decision of the skills gap and the large opportunity in America's workforce, the truth of which cuts against the narrative push

politics and in the media. Every job eventually becomes a job, no matter how passionate you are about your initial belief in a job, and I love my job, it I'm sure you love your job eventually where were you gotta get up this morning, gotta go to work at sea and I'm going to work happiness is its it. It's a terrific symptom, MRS a terrible goal right. It is a terrible goal, because it's it's a suckers bet. If it were,

if happiness were that tangible than everyone? The same thing would make everyone happy, but obviously it doesn't know, but I just I'm sure of that- I'm not sure of much, but I am sure that I wrote this thing. You'd get a kick out of it. It's it started like most everything I do as an attempt to amuse myself, but after a bottle of wine. One night, you know my foundation awards work ethic scholarships, so we need to have some mechanism by which we can try to account for work. I mean how do we measure characters virtually impossible, but I wrote this thing called a sweat pledge, skills and work ethic are not taboo archetypal swipe right and you have to sign it. It's a twelve

point pledge, sort of part, twelve step process, part scout Wall right, Adam and some people really really really hated. But one of the first things is: you know you know what I'm I'm grateful I won the greatest lottery of all time. I I live in America too. I do not follow my passion right at three p M goes down all of these things. It was. It was like a little personal manifesto for me but only bring it up because its increasingly more important to my foundation and now the more I look back on it. It's hysterical ben! How outraged people get the at I give away. Maybe five million dollars so far right, not a time by foundation standards, but it's a channel yet every year about eight hundred

thousand dollars goes out and dumb every year, people say well. Why do I have to sign the sweat ledge? And I soon you dont have to it's entirely possible. This particular pile of free money might not be for you and had it goes, but then what do you mean? I mean there are many scholarship funds that award academic achievement, I'm more interested in awarding attendants right. I mean ass letter. Could Cheeseman talent there they're all kinds of rubric, send metrics for measuring value but where's the workers. So that's what we try and do, and forgive me I'm trying to bring this back to the answer to the question posed by forgot what it is again sometime in getting it had been. The journey announce now were left to drift here, but many they were swept pledge. I will send you a sweat pledge. Ok, sounds good. Why, then, and let us Tom and then for a second bed. The first principle dimension, which is that you

one the lottery, because you live here, which is something with which I totally agree. But that's a pretty controversial proposition these days trend, it's it's become almost partially left right, proposition, Fortunately, where you see there, there's a pull the came out just within the last month. It suggested that Republicans particularly were very proud to be members of the United States very proud. Organ and their very probably marathon of almost president does not pay and on who is president it was it was. Seventy three percent of Americans were Republicans were proud when Obama was present, and seventy seven percent now and for Democrats is like fifty four so we're positive when it was Obama announced, like thirty eight percent, because of president from why, there are so many people in the country who look at this issue in that they have been handed, which is the freest most prosperous country in the history of humanity and things are themselves, I'm a victim, in this scenario- and that's not discount anybody's actual hardships or pass, but why do you think that that's become such a prominent thing? What clearly is a land of opportunity, because it's not clear so clearly,

the biggest of all the divides, the one that word For me, the most is the divide between people who are genuinely genuinely convinced that opportunity is dead and those we're not write the ones who are artificially convince or just you know, paying lip service to it. They don't matter, but there are a lot of people who really and truly truly believe the system is rigged and they truly believe opportunity is dead. That's they scare me because I'm frightened of them, but because that belief is that they'll kill us. I mean, if that belief, really truly spreads will tell us. This is why the skills gap becomes weirdly, political, its it shouldn't be, it's just opportunity. It just six point three million jobs sitting there vacant, but my point that out it's it's very difficult because everything is

what size today right, it's what comes back as well. What does the existence of opportunity mean in a country where were fighting over the fact that opportunity may or may not be dead? Is proof positive that it's not now that's a problem right, the optics don't line up so then you have economic, birds with whom I really can engage cause, I'm not an economist, but they will tell you why the skills gap is amiss. So here's how breaks down. If I point six million- Annabelle jobs. My friends on the right we'll tell me that those jobs are available because human beings are fundamentally lazy. My friends on the left will tell me that those jobs are available because employers are fundamentally greedy and that's where we are. We can't think beyond the fact that our best, sick philosophies require us to see, humanity is either lazy or greedy. The truth is my opinion,

we're both lazy, Andrew relate and we're either lazy nor greedy, we're all of it and none of it All of it gets measured out in unequal amounts, but we don't. We don't have time today to parse nuance, it simply has to be one of the other. So when I post a picture of me standing next to the flag on the fourth of July, I get a lot of push back and I think a lot of people who are pushing me back, don't really push back. They just don't want to see me doing something patriotic. Because the lines have been drawn and now, if you're, if

patriotic will. Then you must be on the right. That's also really super dangerous. It's it's a false choice and we have to push back against that. We its incumbent upon us, I think, you're doing a decent job of it. I think I may not honest. Look. Here's biased desire, you're, spices, the next person, but you can point these cameras and anything. You want and your your pointing them. It honest, thoughtful conversation, long time, television, personality, commentator and Emmy award, winning journalist, Johns, docile, has spent his career, espousing the virtues of individual freedom and exposing the evil of bigger, John is hosted and anchored for ABC News, including good morning, America, an twenty twenty as well as fox business. He wanted to be his message to younger audiences, so he left that show to now produce for him

you too, gentle, where he released a video every week presenting the case that good things happen in free markets and under a smaller government. Talk with John a lot of fun. I've been battling Johns career since I was very young. I've got a lot of his books and honestly, his on the protectionism has really affected my own it tell I think, about the size and role of government in episode these have been John walks through how his media in journalism career, made em, hyper aware of the shortcomings of government, particularly making life better for Americans. We also discuss the countries that the left we do in regard to democratic socialism functioning well and how the biggest happen. In the country sometimes become capitalism's biggest enemies.

I just wanted to cover something that other people weren't covering so the time all people did was politics, the weather crime disasters. That was news. I thought this consumer issues out their psychology. Medicine companies ripen p Off I'll do there, and I did that in one nineteen Emmy awards bashing business, but gradually watch the regulation that I was calling for and often getting sometimes politicians was. It was great we're going to pass a law fixed there in Oregon. They created department of Consumer affairs, but then I go back into the same story. Send a tv set out the twenty repair shops and eighteen would do with a loose part. Eighteen would so I'll loose part. No I too would bring us off I'd, go back and say what you ever do this

oh no you, I will watch this play the video tat and it was great television bashing business, but I then so we do it again, now, there's a department of consumer affairs. The results of the same most people are honest, a few cheat. So what's the department, a consumer affairs they have a big dreary room with a bunch of dreary people desks filling out for, we now have to get a licence to beef, tea, maneuver pyramid and support, sadly, only that will screen out the bad guys, but it doesn't just let's and the ones who are facilitated enough to know how to get the licence. The immigrant maybe works under, beyond the law on the black market. Everybody has to pay a few. Pennies or to pay for the lawyers and consumers, no better off so I started. Reading more, I didn't love the conservative press because it looked like your people wanted to police the bedroom

the police, the rest of the world, the I like there and I discovered reason magazine, and that was a Tiffany. These people get it better than I do and I became a libertarian com not a prince did I was gone. Oh yes, we know how to solve. Poverty. Might professor said it's an outrage in this rich countries that some people are poor, but then I watched these programmes fail. They just teach people to be dependent and if you look at the graph use this in my videos of the war on poverty in the poverty line in the war on poverty began and the poverty rate dropped for seven years, and after that, it's going up and down improvement. Stop because the government teach people to be dependent. If you got a man in the house, your check goes down and then most interesting look at the chart from before the war and peace the slope of the line was about the same Americans were lifting themselves out of poverty, the war and peace.

Many trillions of dollars continued progress for five years and then stopped it. So Do you make of the new kind of left argument with regard to the countries they admire so for a long time for jack? the Soviet Union was a place where they were kind of interested the experiment and then further wilder didn't go Travers instant Cuba for a. But now the modern adoration of the of the Socialist movement in favour of social democracy, so they like Norway. They like Sweden, are they like the nordic countries. This is Bernie Sanders likes to trot out all the time. What do you mean of the argument that those countries are a cohesive that they are functioning well, that they have high standards of living, and they also have massive governmental burdens that are driven by enormous regulations in tax rates, while first they're not really socialist, of Denmark primarily? for when, on tv to say Lock were a market economy were not socialist government does not control them.

The production. That's the most important thing. Scandinavian countries don't even have a government minimum wage. They do have a big welfare state and they can afford that because they are born my genius culture and they have a fairly free private market to pay for it. In the economic field, I'm index as they come out ahead of the United States, I don't know how Bernie Causal Socialist do they innovate to they produce any It is an accident that Facebook, Google and all these exciting wealth, creating companies podcast have come out of Silicon Valley in California places far away from Washington DC. I don't think so yeah, and that I think it is always the big distinction their folks filled, make it that socialism these things in place and redistribute them and Capitalism generates new and innovative the innovative methods, but when it comes to things like Hell,

there were where the left really is, putting its heavy focus these days, what they say is: ok, well, fines. We if a little bit of innovation but there's an entire group of people who have pre existing conditions and they don't capacity to pay for the health care that they need. So what's the best system for provide health care? If we're not going to have some sort of baseline government provided healthcare, it would be presumptuous for me to say what the best system is, but I've learned is that the more market there is the better and poor people with the existing condition or not. Gonna have a market solution, but we haven't America, Medicaid for poor people, Medicare furl us people and no hospital emergency room turns away any poor person. We don't they have a free market system, because the rest of it is paid for not by individuals but by insurance companies or government. So what really work

when you go to the doktor- and you say she- doctors who really have to cost two hundred box- I paid for this most and this is starting to happen with the health savings accounts. Company said it just having insurance company pay, for they give you something and you make some of those decisions and doctors often say really Ben PAN yourself, like now, in order to wait two months for the insurance company. Ok, a hundred dollars and then- they don't even know where to put it, they haven't, had a cash box for some, but moving towards more consumer driven, and that means Haydn deductibles, which nobody wants to hear about everybody hates that that's the only answer and Bernie to single pay in Europe, you don't pay for anything that True England, forget about nor England, Canada, Australia and its true. You don't pay

But the national Health Service in England was created the year I was born and in some cases they still use that kind of technologies. Innovations stops in government. You just do you dont get in trouble. If you do what you did before most young people want, read books TWI make making videos you mention talker, just released a video on Amazon Jeff Resource, and it was I started with. A video defending bays basis against by saying how dear Bernie attack this man, who yes, he's the richest man in the world, but he's made us all richer, big by lowering prices so much the FED, even lowered its inflation rate, and they pay faster, what's taxes in their investors pay lots of money and taxes he's good for American he's being tracked, but mid way through writing this peace and base our caves in to the progressive and so

yeah. I want to raise all my workers to fifteen bucks an hour cutting off performance bonuses stupidly. Perhaps still it's his company Do they have he'll find very good workers for that, but then he goes on and says: I'm in a lobby like another crate opportunist rather than a capitalist nominal The government the force every company to pay fifteen dollars to get the competitive advantage my competitors would have, and since I got lots of robots, replacing workers almoner really crush six guys if they have to pay fifty bucks. Said capitalism's biggest enemies are often capitalists. Yet this is, I think, a great point that the libertarian We should make more often because the kind of in the sky, rosy view of framework? it is always the people going to act morally within free market, but the truth is there you people is also a big government capacity out there and take advantage of. That is why, when folks say well, big businesses is capital as a community, ouch and big business

watching any business that human beings are willing to take advantage of each other, which is why you do need. I was joking coming back to this, and I think that this is the Nazis that's promote mount ideology, but I'm going to cause myself further than you do need a tremendous focus on bringing up virtuous, bull in a free system if the free system is going to last because other otherwise people are just going to train pervert the system for their own ends, which is exactly what you're talking about with bases and when we also crony cap We are going to capitalism that economic fascism is exactly the same sort of state sponsored Monopolise M that you were saying in in early Yo Posts, Weimar Germany. So it's it's! It's really I think it's necessary for libertarians, and I include myself in this number to spend an awful lot I'm teaching people that their virtue is necessary and that's why you know it's markets are great. This is where this is, where I think Adam Smith differs, from me: the Lord Mandeville bees metaphor, Adam Smith,

recognised or does it there there's a very famous tether those wooden leg for Adam Smith, Oliver I forgot the name of their tracked by it, is written by Mandeville and was basic, the it's a piece of poetry. I five hundred lines about the economy of the beast. In his basic idea. Is that economies develop because people have it's private vices become public virtues another. Would you want to buy a nice piece of jewellery and therefore create economic growth, because you want something that you didn't have before it. Maybe it. From selfishness, agree, you'd, righted sort of an adjustment watching it is a vice lead, so my wanting it would be the vice in this particular in this particular area. But what spit says and he's crack. Is that, while that's true, with regard to voices that are not inherently damaging to the system, their voices that are inherently damaging to the system, and so we have to teach people that freedom, only preserve by people who actually spend an awful lot of time. Thinking about virtue were sets bigger than I can

I can digest pull up were put into one of my five minutes: videos ever let let's talk about for a second, the majorities that hard for a basis to resist she's, almost not doing its duty to his shareholders when there's monster government overhear doling out for you have put your borders here I'll give you a tax break in some boys he'd be a fool not to ask for the only solution is to shrink the state and why Japan and Germany do so well after world war to cause we bob the smithereens and they had to start over and they got rid of all the guilds and the special interests that were holding progress back and then they grew so fast, so horrible, too, poorly depressed, idea to say: that's the only way to stop the growth government, but maybe it is I'm not gonna, go to bombing flavour and not have the reigning. They add. I'm just saying you keep asking me are we convince ribald? Can we teach virtue- and I dont know that you can,

There is perhaps no one who proclaims the glory of capitalism more than radio host and financial guru Dave Ramsay. As the best selling author of multiple books, including the widely popular book, the total money make over the hosts of a nationally syndicated radio, show podcast, active Ramsay, show and the creator of, classes in training like financial peace, University Dave Ramsay is a of eliminating debt in reaching financial prosperity. Having had great successes now without hardship in the business world now spent his time passing on the knowledge has acquired as a proponent of personal responsibility to achieve personal success, meaning Davis the awesome I know so many people will turn their lives around because they followed Dave's steps to success is realistic view of human nature and his reality based view they have to take a personal responsible decisions rather than blaming the system is refreshing one in this particularly system based thinking time enough, thirty. Six of the show dave- and I discussed the Wikipedia cheating awaited the top in business and other victim mentality. The data on life choices

lead to success and how well the quality is actually not fair. When it comes to of personal character. How much do you think that financial decisions are about education of people to make the right decisions, and how much is it about actually being able to put off what you want for what you need now? That's call maturity, the ability to lay pleasure, and that is a character, quality integrity. There's a hacker relation between quote integrity, homeless not just telling the truth and honesty, but this all alone integrity. You are, who you are all the time, that's integrity, and not only do you tell the truth, not only do honour. Your word and situations, Hog data, point correlation between that and the ability to build wealth. This idea that you cheat your way to the top is mythology.

It truly does not work out their me. Think about it. If you go to the local car, placing it your car worked on a cheat you you tell everybody, you know, and you don't tell her by you in the end, if you re going there, he says. Oh, it was thirty five I fixed it. Don't worry about it, you tell everybody, you know, could you just found a unicorn means or where the cottage did the right thing and you use your family, your friends, that's how you succeed in business. You should do. The right thing is how you succeed in life. You do the right thing: integrity, the ability to delay pleasure, the ability to say you know. I'm gonna give up something today, I'm alive like no one else later I can leaving like no one else also saw mislaid on a shelf one of the things that so fascinating about your approach is that it is an approach that is driven by personal responsibility. So much of what's going on in the country in politics generally is driven by precisely the opposite. Attitudes, you're, smart, you stay away from politics, I'm in politics full time and it seems like politicians make bank offer based

They telling people that nothing they do is their own responsibility and that everything that is wrong in there can be blamed on outside forces in America. How much of people how much of what bad in people's lives you think can. Generally be blamed on the decision jamaican how much can be blamed on outside forces. He had to balance that that out. Well, I think you can be born into a situation where you don't you know, grew up in. I grew up a neighborhood where people such stuff, like the little man, can't get ahead. There was a victim thing, blue collar thing. It's like you know I'll, take care of you. The governmental take care of you. I sure hope we can lead to you know, president or congressman will take care of it. Cuz a little man just can't get ahead on his own, and and is that a reality yeah? If you think it is, if you think you can, or

can't you're right. Henry Ford said you know, and so there's a reality to this, and so the belief is the real privilege. It's not the skin color, and it's not that issue economic thing. It's the belief in the culture. You come out up, I mean I grew up in Tennessee and were hillbilly culture, my family's scotch irish and proud hillbillies of the best of the best kind and an interesting bunch, they'll fight you for their freedoms and yet sometimes, though, adopt that victim mentality and whole bunch of those folks, I mean jaded did a nice book hillbilly I agree that an indicator that probably that bunch of us who elected drop, but it was all that he was a little bit reagan- ask in that. It's up to you I'll, just make it where you can win in our not I'll. Do it for you and there's a there message there and that ideology, but olive tree. The problem is, if you start to believe someone else, fix your life, whoever it is your employer, your mommy, the President, the Congress. Yours

yet will do this in one of the things that really fear, because I am seeing it rise on both the left and the right there's a sort of new right wing, populist movement that suggests okay. Well, you know the problems they have elected you didn't get married because you couldn't afford it and it's a well. Maybe you should maids. Different decisions and single motherhood is not a financial decision. It's not that you got pregnant out of wedlock because you couldn't afford it. Classic studies are the Ninety seven percent of the thirty year olds that graduated from school high school before they got married and got married before they had a kid. All they did huh school and they did in the right order. Another. Ninety seven percent are above the poverty level, Everyone below the poverty level somehow got that order. I got pregnant before they got out of school. They got pregnant before Mary they get made for the got us, but they got order. It's a success for all kinds of data points on the statistical evidence and it's not a political statement this is the proper way to live your life

morals have implications, characters, character has implications. I fully agree with this. I think that the the suit the supposed a crisis that we're having in terms of happiness, the rise in the opium epidemic, although some of that is due to bad diagnoses and people being given medical or believes in and all that the rise suicide, the rise in single mother at that in the and these are mostly personal problems there, people making bad decisions and they make bad decisions, because they ve been taught by society by the government by the culture that, if you make a bad decision, not really your falls in at the beginning of wisdom is recognising. That is probably your fault. Where do you think these can? Where did things starts part already think things are really not the falling apart. You know is strange, there's pockets but are falling apart Anders sometimes a malaise that are a fog over some things, but tenors entire segments of the population. There booming like never before them, the best years of their life right now,

and maybe did even under Obama. You know the best years of their life, but I mean we share a book in our face and my christian faith, your jewish faith, the prep book of proverbs, the book of wisdom and all throughout the book of wisdom. The fool is juxtaposed with the Weis Weis. Does this the fool? Does this wisdom? Is this and wisdom it is in the Hebrew know, this probably is the art of living life. Well, that's really what makes and that's what we've lost his wisdom, not knowledge, we lost wisdom, suppose what a fool and- and if you read the proverb, should go I've done that I'm a fool and uneconomic. What doing some will be watched in the house of the wise, our stores of choice, food in oil, but a foolish man devours have fishermen everything you make. Your fool fulfil I've done that and then, when I could do

I am actually save money. Had some money in the house for the wiser mail is just what is remarkable in it and so the art of living life well, and when you start to believe that if I plant corner how to get corn? If I'm going to reap what I sow, if I'm going to live in a cause and effect world where I actually can impact my own destiny, variables around me, there's isms, I mean there's ray, women and sexism bald ism their people that much Let me list of cause I'm ball and went about. President elected since television go. Look that went up so interesting at the moment, these kinds of things are very. We got one with bad here, but we do not have any one know here. You know me in surgery form is not elected, that there's always I've got a southern drawl and for years and radio business now we get six hundred stations, but for years people in Boston thought we broadcast from a double. Why? Because we're internecine in our notion of China. There's all these isn't right! There's everybody's got an ism. They got a bus through uncle who you are, but if you truly because of your ism whatever it is that

can't when you're not gonna, get corn. If your plant core, then why would you Implant court, that's hopelessness and, and that's the the path of the yet the way that I've put on my own show is that I for reality, because there's nothing else: route for by thither. There's a lot of folks out, therefore, rooting against reality. In any see this, not only in politics, be certain cultures, the general thing where people look at their life and they go x or why in fair here's, a person is really rich and I'm not really rich and that's unfair, and you see politicians say this without any lucian. They just put it out there and this is their actual talking point. Is it ok? Well, let's assume for second, that is unfair that, if your God, you would even all that out? You're, not gonna evening, all that out and if you would even all that out of one result exactly what you want here, so maybe she's fighting reality and deal with reality instead. Actually wealth equality is unfair because effort is not equal, smarts was not equal, I'm not a smart is bill gates. He felt more people than

help and has resulted in more money. I mean I haven't changed the world with a computer. He did I'm not Steve jobs. I didn't do that. I've made a good bit of money. I've helped a whole bunch of people, but you know I was argued with this lady liberal Lady and she was mad at me because I had made a lot of money: selling books to people, helping them with money and she'd like where you're, taking advantage of all these people that are broke. I said when I want to hold five books for dollars. Nobody was mad, but are you? People got pissed off when I sold ten million of, and I helped ten million people so there. You know your your level of return is the level of help, and so that that just defeats the wealth, equality argument complete because we now know that seventy nine show the millionaires in America. Today, eight out of ten inherited zero zero, which means they did something in the marketplace,

so the american dreams alive and well, and when one sees that I love that shows the you actually do defend. Morality is of the free market and then that something that very few people willing to do in this day and age. It's it's all about the shortcomings of the free market, income, inequality, the idea that people are being experts, and it seems like they're coming from this perspective, that even basic elements of life, in the intelligent gaps that this should be somehow rectified- and you see this with, though bill gates. As an example house, there are bill gates in this country whose work this much money and then you'll see somebody who's worth no money, and you know you say well, be he's, contribute where is used and they say well, but that was in his choice. He was smart, regular, smarter. He grew up better. What have you answer that he did? You know he any is an you know, George Clownish prettier than me, so and so one deal with it. I mean you dig. This is your hand, play your hand,

and you know I was on a- we- had a leadership event- we did our entreleadership event last summer and spend some time with Condoleezza Rice and she grew up in and a segregated neighbourhood outside of Birmingham and she's she's. Talking about coming out of that Serbia, neighbourhood to become sector state should brilliant and brilliant lady and she said my press home in my whole life. It does matter where, where I come from a lot of where you go on, and you just decide that's what we're gonna do, but that has to almost all the way back to do with this thing called hope in this belief that if our planet corn, I shouldn't be shocked. If I get caught up plant nothing, I can't gripe about the farmer who planted core and was out there today. Going to kill the weeds and in the hot sun. Meanwhile, I'm staying over here watching the guy and then I go well, it's not fair! That he's got some corn. I mean, I wonder if some of the complaints that are cropping up, particularly among young people and I speak allotting college campuses, where there are a lot of young people who make exactly these complaints that this is

is the result of a breakdown in religious community because I'm religious person you're religious person. There are a lot of rich people. People who have been I've been a lot more. I've been done. Well, that's change Watch the same thing happened of people in my community who I grew up with, and so I know all of them, and so it's hard to be alive. It's a lot card be jealous of the guy that you ve, known and grown up with, and he go to for help then some random guy on the street. We have no association with, as we fragment as a community. There there's, or of a feeling of well. Maybe that guy owes me money as opposed to well I've Norman next door, neighbor my entire life. We go to the same firstly, the same centred on the one area. I did the matters more than any. We are equal which, as we are all equal before, God regards his all exactly the same, without breakdown down? I'm wondering maybe that's, what's caused a lot of the feeling of dispossession? Well, it's in its also contributes to its also contributes to arguments between religion. I mean, if you should now spend time with people actually develop relationship of people that have

different situation than you, ve got you're gonna learn their good people under its bad people and almost every one of those thanks. I know wealthy people all the world and worth hundreds of millions of dollars from the best people on the planet. I don't some of them, though, cut your throat just to see just to see. If you believe I mean- and I know some poor people there are some of the best people the planet on. I know your throat and you end up with the money Scott there with her character. There got the money, just revealed it. If you can go, hearing from our past guess in this collection be sure to check out their full episodes in here. More of the conversation links to those are in our description. This is the last collect great moments from Sunday special we're bringing you We will see you here again in two weeks with ran new episodes of the Sunday special or super excited up guess I think, are gonna like them, we'll see here next time, if you like this, don't forget to leave star of you until a friend about it also be sure to check out other deal. Whereupon costs, including the Andrew Cloven, show that Michael Holes, and about while show thanks for listening.

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