The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by ESPN’s Tony Kornheiser to discuss the NFL’s approach to dealing with COVID-19, the evolution of sports coverage, 20 years of ‘Pardon the Interruption,’ Patrick Mahomes, baseball’s shrinking national interest, golf, and more (3:00). Then Bill talks with chef and media mogul Dave Chang, who just became the first celebrity to win ‘Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.’ They discuss the million-dollar question; Dave's help from Mina Kimes and Alan Yang; the Southern Smoke Foundation, the charity he donated his winnings to; the current state of the restaurant industry amidst the pandemic, including innovations from companies like Gold Belly; and more (49:00).
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I tell you as you and I could check twice a year, one of the few people. I know the pandemic brilliant changes like them. Access to this to play off yesterday sang out in this house. What is it then like to do? A daily sport show nine months of a pandemic style in two thousand twenty a godsend I mean I'm extraordinarily lucky. I have both jobs. I have my podcast from the buggy us now, instead of five days a week, we ve changed at the three days a week, because what drove it originally was,
sitting in a room with five or six people, and because we can't do that, it has become sort of a cow. allowed show it's a little bit more sports oriented than it normally would be. I don't know this has happened to you as well, but I've had to do. on the fly, but I'm doing it three days, we can then I'm doing pity I, whenever we're on the era when not pre empted, by something and so having something to do can I can't go anywhere having something to do, makes me
short, naturally, lucky, I'm sure you feel the same way yeah, and I think somebody like my dad who you know, lives in Boston and barely gets a chance to go anything and he's afraid to be in public, but he test it sometimes with an outdoor dinner. Maybe something like that, but it's weird times, and it feels like as the weather is starting to turn everybody starting to get tired of it, and that you see these these leagues plowing along and we're in a situation when football, where they just basically decided look the engines going to keep going, keep going, keep playing If we have weird situations we will plough through it, we may postpone a game by a day or two days. It's a really strange thing to be because because, on the one hand, morally, I feel like I is this does totally feel red. On the other hand, there is so much money at stake. I want the prayers to get paid. I want things to keep going, my own morals, shouldn't matter better plus I'm watching. Where do you stand on all that? Well, there
we get. We get a tremendous amount of conflicting, information I mean I live in a city weary of any. She lives in practice his medicine. I don't know him. I've never met him, but I know a lot of people who do no woman stood weathermen whenever his on television, which is with decreasing frequency. Now I will watch. He was on meat, the press just Sunday, Woodchuck Todd took out. Regular, my podcast, because he he bets games. You bet football games for me against the number which always makes me I'm thrilled by that Greece juggernaut forgot checks. So I'm watching them into moved, algae and faulty. Basically, is the prophetess Cassandra. The profit without honour telling you exactly what's gonna happen? If you don't pay attention and nobody pays, and so on well, I've got that. I talked about this the other day. There are these comments.
So these incredibly skilfully done beautifully crafted commercials for hours later for Coca COLA and for WAL Mart. The theme is always the same. It's tab, What would your family and your loved ones the holidays and then if commercials bill he's wearing a mask, but you may you look at these commercial, three enormous company, that you think up a social conscience and you go. doing what Would you air this commercial? Why would you try to convince people that this is the way water behave shifting to support you The wording is totally correct. Plough through that's what all these weak Doing that's what the NBA did it's, what dna jail did it's? What baseball did it's? What football is doing? their ploughing through and because their businesses and this is only way they can make any money on may probably loose from my memory and upheld lose money, the other least
probably lose some money because they get no gate or anything like that. But you the move towards more money, so vague, I am convinced that this is a real season analyses and with an asterisk and tried again, you to watch and most of us do The mild apparent that I shouldn't say that because waiting to down fifty percent across the board, but many people do watch because it is. They are relieved from now on: fine cloistered boy, of their wives right now and I'm a border, but my watch, I watch I am of to moral minds about this item. I talked to more mask you. The other day you I've known for forty years the Washington Post it covers the NFL and I was asking him and by the way, if I go on to long just tell me shut up, but I was after him about what appear to me to be the obvious disparity in the way Furthermore, ravens were being treated at said. Would you game moved away.
they wanted it to be moved, move, moved and moved an endeavour brought. Do not have a don't. That's my dog barking, have a professional quarterback and they are doomed to lose that game. It's an improper, totally impossible cannot win. The game. And he said what the NFL is doing, is they will not postpone a game, not Malta game for competitive reasons. For medical reasons, and I at least of sawdust, satisfied by this Explanation could lose an outbreak in Baltimore. And there was not an outbreak in Denver, it was just the misfortune of a quarterback getting it and all the other quarterbacks having to quarantine Europe yet and it felt like they were put there were a little bit because they weren't careful enough, whereas in Baltimore psychology admit outbreak like you could have anywhere in the United States. like the Miami Morland said, although the Miami Marlins a few games or postpone, but they were picking guys or street what I my condition, was he a flexible
because in the NFL it Nobody knows what the possibilities are. So why is it Furthermore, playing that game, why not I do wonder you know losing our minds. Is this has been going on for nine months, so anything that seems like it might be remote normal. We convince ourselves as normal and just May we live our everyday life is starting to feel even though it is not normal raw, and I do wonder like twenty five years from now, when people look back at right now and there just like, while the NFL teaches ploughed overhung, there get nets he's done no matter how they got. There was happening, and I bet future generations will be confused and lately horrified in the moment, it doesn't seem, may be as bad as it will be when we have some distance from China. Think of other sports kind of moment, sir. Whatever that have have a thing or two what was
full during world war? Two, what what went on and what was cancelled look in the mirror. That's eighty years ago, we look at that and they failure of world WAR two, but I didn't have yesterday, did now be out of the Olympics in old were not contested. I think it I won't be around to look back from that distance, but I think kids, from use of about like two grandchildren, three and one heirloom young. You know four As for any real cognition, it is, but you take kids, you know from above eight years old up all the way to high school Are they going to be affected by this? How is how it is they gonna, be resuming normal behaviour, how much will it be imprinted on their brain, there. Was this period of time where everything seemed so different and contact wasn't made it? This is a though
who is the land of doubt, but I'll give it to you anyway. I was at a doctor's office about a month ago and I was introduced another doctor in practice and that doctor don't her hand to me to shake my hand and by I do not know. Why did it even the wine What sort of weird at the moment but in that moment that was the first persons hand I had touched in six months. Yeah, six months, a weird right, it's not It's definitely not normal. I don't know if you ve got any dinners, but even now, when I there twice in the past three weeks, including with David Chang us on this past and the first two minutes, you just say, wow my friends and the right there there are resumed at it. There's like this, getting us to it, and you don't even think about you know he. You basically rolling the dice with wherever you with your hoping that they ve been a safe in his response.
Suppose you have- and you know you're at your outdoors You'Re- not right next to each other, but they're sit still a little risk and in the moment you don't care because it's so exciting to just be normal, but you're, not hugging you're, not shaking hands. You do like the elbow bump and then you just kind of have a couple drinks and eat some food and forget about everything. But I can't I'm going out to play golf because I do I've heard from enough people went out is relatively safe for safer than I've gone play golf once or twice at that you re afterwards with the guys I played with, but Tables near me began to fill up. I left yeah I haven't had any of those out toward dinners I haven't had those I've had take out food and felt uneasy. Even standing around waiting for the food to be brought out in a bit I mean I'm old, so I'm I'm in what is called the vulnerable grant here. Today Adam and so on. Conscious of that, but I I also, I think it is so
freakish, to sit in a restaurant and be served by people wearing gloves in a math. I guess I will not do it, I wouldn't shields and they have like these shields like what did you mean? I was I mean I can go to a supermarket. You know in them I think, and get anything get out and go the right way. The one way in the ILO and try to get out within twenty minutes and I think that precautions are take him Somehow restaurants and bars in places like that, make me far far too. Easy. Now am I also yeah. You know, I don't do the zoom calls because they are completely freakish to me. I will not get on us. I did at once and fell by was in very bad movie and I got out quickly and people even said what happened it's only when he left he left. You have said vantages during a pandemic. One is basically, you are ninety percent quarantining anyway.
in itself and is guaranteed to other aid, that thing that you read love to do more. They they asked the Gulf, which is the one thing everybody can still do and then the third thing is, you can always blame technological idiocy, slash ignorance, which allows you to avoid all zoom cars in ongoing, knowing office meeting actions out in the hay pull this off? Yes, I'd have created, my own level might live in it. because of my age, people do say where it's weird each authorities cantankerous yo, you gotta! Let him do what he's gotta do now. I like phone calls I'm happy to talk to someone. Wanna talk to me and I am happy to walk around what the dog a lot and all of that, but I am read the ass. I am freed from the social burdens that other people still have to maintain, I'm free from them. It's good. If we were writing You really pulled it off. I is probably the larder farewell by who
the thriving, travels yeah. He loves travelling. get plenty aeroplanes. All the time he's in Arizona now we'll be back here or go back. I was owner, we have- precision within hours about two months ago, two or three months ago, and I asked them prince between hours owner and he just any defended its total maiden. Nobody out their wares masks nobody out there. You know they got a restaurant but do everything they do want to the governor. At some point, I guess shut them down. but he said what he noticed is is, and he was the first person to use this phrase to me with fatigue which you know he added and everybody around a mad it and they giving into it, and I guess you know sort of shrugged and said well, you know I'm gonna stay out Don't do that, I'm a do it that way. Now it's, I think it's more wearisome and going to be much more, some combination, the holidays.
live anywhere other than were you ever in the deep south, whether you guess thirty, five today he's Goin out nobody hanging around outside its thirty five in Washington shop changes, because I wanted to talk about one of the big trends from twenty twenty that wasn't really pandemic related, but it we will discuss it a little bit in previous things were done, but not to this degree the idea the way people report on it's now and how it swung- and I was thinking about you know when you were- you are on the rise. Written features further wash imposed and inside sport sports illustrated and the first by you'd, better access to everybody, and if you do in a profile somebody you actually get to spend time with them, but there wasn't a fear that there is now of harshly critiquing somebody you know and I think parliament has do twitter. The talking head stuff, quips, getting cut out like a few rail on
but show that clip will get cut here on put on twitter. The athlete has a chance to fire back all that stuff, but you could argue, is too harsh the other way. Forty years ago, thirty years ago, twenty years ago, even ten years ago, now it seems like where more player friendly. Then I think we ve ever been covering spy. What's it like, as somebody who's had all kinds of jobs in sports media to watch this. Well, I mean I think if there is a big change, there is a change in the rigours and the expectations of journalism, that has to do with social media that, as you know, I do not access ever no matter what so speaking blindly about this, but it does seem that in you. When I was coming up. It's not that you didn't like the players. It said you sort of others you were a reporter. That way your job, you weren't, common carry you weren't.
preaching your porter. There was a set of rules, so you win where the news was any reported. The news and you were not to become friendly with those while you were writing about that was not just an unspoken that was a spoken rule. You didn't just didn't, do it became friendly enough to have access to them. But what was Paramount was fairness, accuracy, This, and I am not sure that those are the most important words now. I think a lot of people, probably you nor had answers. You know, that's that they want to make their reputation because there's not a pecking order in the way they used to be it used to be. If you got to them, your times the La Times in Boston, Boston. You know for news where I also worked Washington Post Me, Harold, you establish yourself, you would come up through a chain, everybody
understood with that chain. Was you were wrong to wrong to wrong and when he got to a certain wrong, that newspaper was saying he's our guy. You know something like that and they don't those wrongs don't exist anymore. Is no centralized clearing out, it says you should listen to these. People are not listen to these other people. You sound like a get off my long, but that the way it was when I was starting and calmness existed. I don't think they buried people in what are you know it's when you deal when you sit down to write if writing is important to you at once was, and it was important to me as it once was Then you didn't do six lines in a row killin. Somebody like you would, if your ranting on radio or on television. You know the way it works now
There is a certain pay off to overkill and then players, as you say, fire back and players by the way. They don't they used need writers play he's the need riders to help them with salaries to help them be employed. It wasn't just a meritocracy of talent. You had this sort of b, a must The great yeah disorder be pretty well liked and he had to go long to get along, and I on, I don't think that's the case. Now players make so money. They don't need here. They are. They don't need to be certified by any body with a notebook right you up here. Why do you wear? I think there is as it there's a lot more pain. And then there is to be, and I wanna be friends. I think so they want their relationships and its also easier tat relationships with athletes thou because you condemn them
SAM and it I have certainly been guilty of it. A couple times added six pack has kept the rent and like a year and a half, I do think that access is so much different then it was like when you in Washington, in I don't own nineteen. Eighty and it's just, look at the draw. You were going to have the best relationship with anyone on the football team or the basketball team over national purse right, you're there every day, you're, because I was there more frequently here and now that gathers moreover, I would- I won't wait. Let me just correct that for a second, because yet again in those days were credentials. Mattered more? I believe that they matter now I got on all of you I'm from Yahoo. I don't know much weight that carries but we're Jenkins Frank Afford or current Kirkpatrick, and you said, amount from sports, illustrated yeah point sat up and take the big took notice that we had a deal
big deal, there were no national newspapers until USA today came along and nobody were confused USA today with the New York Times, they didn't. We know it's funny. I think I think basically, ESPN has replaced sports illustrated that respect A lot of these guys are home during the day watching shows, like your shown. First take right and get up in all these dude sees personalities and a cup of the affair. One shows as well all those per nowadays are people that are in their everyday lives, so they're, probably more prone to respond to those guys than they would be a writer in general. I don't think I'll writers gonna have even ten percent of them. that they would add forty years ago. You know, as I am to admit it. You are so right. I've had asked leads. Come up to me in settings that are not they are setting they
to be there for a certain reason and introduce themselves to me now, that's different, that's that's it and then I realized they seem lobata make on television. For so long and that's what they consume? I dont think they consume. Written word in a newspaper they might on Twitter, but I don't think they do in a newspaper. I think you know. I think, that all of the things that I personally strive for, and maybe you did as well growing up. I died. think that's there anymore. I don't think that status. That cachet is there any more? I don't it's funny. You mentioned that. Credibility. Think cuz. I noticed that what I was doing, the NBA show those two years beat just being like the previous couple years. I've been to the finals that sit on the court before the games. Then I was on that show and even like standing on the sidelines, guys, warming up there would like walk over and start talking to me and I'm like. Are you talking to me
a bit of sense to me, but then you realize, like you, ve almost been vetted when you're on one other shows right there there's some credibility vetting with these deeds cause they sire, the everyday, so you must be okay, and I was you know meanwhile right in the same Cobb's I always would, but I was that that was interesting. The the credibility bump- and I do think, like you know, a show like first take, which I think was a lot different, then Peter I in so many different ways in the lot more. My lord, more long monologues. You know three minutes back and forth the fight that, and there is an anchor toward that show ten years ago- that I think has completely gone away cause. I think people get it now, there's there's a kind of a wink, a wink weight to it that may be put in sea ten years ago. Maybe people thought there just trying to start controversy. You guys at pity. I you always manage
too big a kind of friendlier and not like an angry, show more like what kind of on the side of other stuff, but we can be fair and harsh and critical when we have to be you have that balance in the first year rate, It's because of the background that we had. I will tell you now that I believe that DNA, a Smith who has worked for news, papers in his life. Yet no one knows what might have been a reporter. I would say that he is the face of sort of sports in America today that every athlete knows him could he's. Also, realist he's not he's not a guy who was introduced as an inside or at the NFL and then and therefore is not expected, don't know anything about any other sport Stephen is is all things to all people, and I think that so many more athletes would recognize him. Then he ever recognise going going. The other way to that because of his personality. Then I think he's. As I told you many times. I guess
Miss account, and I really like his work. What about and I were different because we were hard core newspaper people who ascended to be columnist, which meant we could opinions, but they were. I would say more reasoned, more nuanced and we were very friendly with one another and part of the ghost each other laugh and ended each other and then- be entertained the audience by doing that, but we were not. We were not polemicist or anything like that. You know, that's not what we were and that's how will we are so it is funny had structure of that show, no matter how much media changes. This structure is still saleable arouse, given notes on our. We have a fantasy football back ass tat, I think, has a chance to be really really good and in the first couple minutes their economy
really dallying around before they got to whatever the biggest story isn't just kind of their the pod that shoot the shit, and I was TAT one of the guys. Like look watch pity. I take it to the biggest story at this. Are the show and they hit it, for they hit it for a two hundred and twenty three minutes, they don't fuck around. It's not like hey wilbon. Would you have for dinner on Friday, night or above their like it? It's like what was the biggest story were hitting it and for that first, twelve to fourteen minutes, you're hitting the five biggest stories period. for whatever it is, we write idiots, be it's always the same. I always say begin today like whatever we just get in the first thirty seconds that major way off? That's fine, but we begin today, and that is the sorry, and we go in descending order and we think about that water stories we want to get too what what do we have to get to early just in case
he's gonna leave after ten or twelve minutes yen and there they run down. That is completely based on now, sometimes you're wrong weeping the most important stories of that day? Yeah, that's it matter the shop we noted went on. You are all gone, we'll get. It is other thing at five. Forty five, no right. Now we get to it at five, thirty one. You know it's funny. I dont think tv shows translate the pike ass with very very rare exceptions. It's a really good Pakistan, you just try it on and its cite the first. Thirteen minutes is just a stab shot of more the biggest or is today Carson went sperm with the ravens. They postponed the game again work with what is in fact, you know here, sit all the marks, and even if your that, you could this and you don't you understand this, but you can this new package at one point two
one point five speed. You could conceivably path through that thirteen minutes like nine minutes and just get everything so well, I mean I'd like you to save us all the time it's a daily. I just now we are were daily die justice. with a compendium of that day, and that's our job and again because of my background in newspapers We completely understand mad if like. If we were editors. The meeting we would have his watch on what's above the fold on it, right as you look at the paper, could steps led story right away? I am either Twentyth anniversary coming up is up here, while even it like, I always thought they show started in. Timber. But apparently it started in October Is it aware that I don't know why you lose track over about two years? I'm not wearing the twentieth. Here.
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with gaming in everything else, all the way to the r and actors quest to holy macro. I recommend you it's a somebody new life, it's the most anticipate how to give to the seas and play for real, learn, more accurate stack up. What's do a couple of old guy who's been falling sports for a long time. Stuff for storing stuff is perhaps the most how the quarterback you ve ever seen. The wizard like you sword, the first year in Kansas City, when he just came in he's a wizard. He can throw yards in the air he what went wrong and he now I did not get it, and he knows a fine receivers and their work. I'm old enough but Johnny United. Is God to me Tom Brady such
I don't know them also get tonight. I dont know that ill wind six, but that count is to pay a thing. Is it not to you? Is it not surpassing yeah? I was taught at that. Brady was the best quarterback I ever saw. I thought Rogers was the most talented cornerback over Ok, and why do you not like other older people would argue L way? Are you internal yeah sure. Roger like this guy, yet before Rogers I would have said our and now I would say unequivocally: it behoves I'd Tony Roma. My park as I speak out, you know whatever your checklist is of what a quarterback needs to have, whether it has twice categories twelve eleven, although at the final number is heat. She he checks more boxes, then any guy we ve ever had. The key basically is the same, in that way had except he could move better than no. It dead right and he could throw more angles, though a dead end
just think there was a great athlete. Elway was a bonus, baby baseball you're a great athlete like if you don't want to be five year old ya know I look at the twenty one year old, John L. What an arms is better than that and my arms comes well, you know, look you what are the council is dead with a major baseball player right, yeah he's the pedigree yeah idea. It's it's funny cost I'm at the stage of my life thou were. I am amazed that the guys they even a maze during the last stance how many p but in my life worthwhile had no idea. Jordan. Was this good like what is the way forward five years ago, but you realize, like people only have framer references, something when I was growing up and people who talk, but our great John United Was- and I just didn't care Cosette and get to see him. You don't know a guy. I understand that I mean I want Johnny United, and I mean I think you, measure it by how many times do you get to the championship?
no one's harder in football packages, only more moving parts, but he got a bunch of championships and we got to five well got that. I You know that you can. We require more homes, one player whose only field half the time, I don't know that you requirement, homes together nine and winds fix. I think you have to just believe what you're watching the add ons to look at the talent in the bronze in a similar situation to Jordan Think is never taught the six six and on the finals is like be what time out of career, which, whereas I think I've got a thing. I think that separates them to me the brown and too happy daddy one and all that, but what separates them is.
six finals come on fix it all right. You could think about. You know the Jordan churning out this big new victory that this year, but that other guy is completely subway, like Karim who I thought had the best start to finish career of anybody. Aren't they use the best clever, but I think the best basketball career of anyone ever the better. So I tore up all right there when you go high school college, NBA, Rhine, you're, talkin, twenties, twenty seven years work dream is just dominant at every level, pretty much the whole time until the tail end with the Lakers, I think Russell had like the best filet Mignon, condensed awesome, career and ensured in I think kid. The high. peaks and then you have the is basically trying to have a better career than Karim Dead, which I think he's pretty much there at this point. So let me let me push back a little bit and mention a couple of people like Jerry West, whose Lincoln
but his basketball career is unmatched because he still doing it I use it? All american college player was on an Olympic Games Metal team Russell was on a lit gold medal team, but one too, I think college championships cream one three know right away when Russell had to college championships, got a wedding and then eleven for thirteen disapproval. It's pretty crazy. Fourteen Arabia is putting pretty good Twin dream is playing career was magnificent, the most Wayne Fan and absolutely magnificent Karim, yeah sure, but impossible recovery. Probably the least the Leary dwindling? I always very difficult Cream was very difficult and if so, when thing to me now, because I read Kareem's columns We could get he's really smart and I wonder
Are you sure you want to say? Don't look this your choice? Ok, with your choice. to be who you are and deal with people in the way that you know what I mean, I'm not gonna get inside but your dad, I'm sure you have valid reasons to do all this, but do you think you missed out a little bit on water in a much more adoring public tomorrow? Guy questions How worried are you about baseball corridor as sport I want to watch it. I said my clock by the NASH games. Now I watched them all. I pay attention. It's it's, not a national sport anymore, it's a local sport, people cheer for their teams. I think that rating, I think local ratings, a baseball, are still pretty good. I want That is, its audience gets older and older and older, but I assume that there is still from health and little league and I assume that bad
one thing that always was true about baseball, passing down from father to son I had it in my house and my son loves baseball. So I assume that that still sort of works and do not pay us down from Father to son, Father the daughter, mother, the sun, mother, the daughter, because baseball always had in them familial of sports. Are you worried I'm worried. Ver at the attention span of younger people watch it which has been discussed ad nauseam, So there can inability to develop Black America baseball purse. You know you have the dodgers when site are movies, delay black eye and the team in general to the amount of black people that are plain professional baseball. Bat in the major leagues its comparable to what it was like in the fifties in the sixtys, which makes no sense to me so it it seems like if you just talking about
whose play baseball. How we're getting more people to play baseball is baseball fund the play. How do you see somebody in who's an awesome athlete with a pick baseball over football or basketball or tennis or soccer. It's strange to me that baseball is you know what up one of the sports that just In the conversation anymore domestically- and I don't have a video- you said, like you said, it's an old guy question will at my age I can't I can't relate to The notion of younger younger younger people not playing it cause. I get my own household, that's what my my fun playing he's teaching his son to play. It in terms of being represented above the culture I mean, I don't people make choices as to what they want to play, and what,
those people what they want to emulate and if there are not enough people who look like you in a sport, it's hard to choose that sport to emulate nuclei. Understand that that's a problem which I assume baseball knows far better than we know right and you also have a situation where basketball relied away says, replace based buzz. You break a pastime, you know, and they here is that you add renewed growing up our baseball cards. Are there basque, while person footballers That's really to have great advantage of being a helmeted sport yard? You see everybody you can see the people you want to be like you can see what they do and you can attempt to do that yourself. and I think also I think at this point after all, was a more worldwide sport than they have other football right there. Drawing from all
on the world in a way that the other sports, don't you know it's funny, it's every reflected in the sports car market. Basketball is like red, hot smoking, hot unbelief, but the way baseball would bend thirty five years ago and the older baseball cards are not like the same. I may mantle and co facts, Jackie rabbits in those ones. Woe is be fine, but for the most part it's like now, it's the bran, LUCA Anthony Davis, look the bird magic cards to fight that. So, in a way I basketball has replaced baseball in a bunch of different ways. The ratings have been totally caught up it now the ratings are the ratings were terrible, but they were terrible and all sports, but they were terrible and after all, but I I thought you liked had sat all deal with what we started out. Talking about that these reports have been I didn't want to seize, and that is in their season and there was a sense that it was just the push by the architects of the game to
get a champion and pay everybody out. Riah Agri. Last question: who's, your favorite golfer arena. Well, I've always liked Tiger. Having tigers so extraordinary- and I always liked Fill- and I particularly like fill in these exhibition matches because I love the way talks and I think that he should actually be you know doing sports commentary on all sports, because I think you could do it. But if there is a person I like to watch more than anybody else and it is still tiger the especially of tigers playing well, but I like to watch. I don't want to see they all the same cause. You don't win, win wonderful job
then get hot. He has no particular personality. That brings you to the screen. The boy he's a great player, Justin Turner like highlight what I like to watch it, so, like a further, both his dad in his grandfather were prose. I, like watch John wrong because at any point you think he might take the club and rapid around a tree as he gets a shot that he doesn't pathetically like. I think, they're all pretty good, I do like I respect Rory Mcelroy and, if need be, in one in open, while its lot is troubling, as Jordan speakers seems to have dropped off the face of the earth, and I do there are three young kids were funded watch more cowards fund, a watch hobbling this fund to watch and wolf, it's fun to watch what you think about ten people right. I think ass in an awesome place right now and I and I do think it's gaining steam again. You know any when Tiger,
basically got wiped off the map. At the end of the two thousands, I think there is no obvious adjourning the masters. Where's cheer was a huge deal for golf eleven I got one at that, a lot of people back did they also we got beefy brazen. I know you, what a pity I mileage at him he's a will to aid him. I dont really my point of interesting in it an admirable and move on AIDS him it's weird. He really does provoked reactions from people away. That's unusual forgot scoffers, pretty bland, usually in with it, people have a lot of work on like reactions of the first the masters the first day of the masters, the only stories worth paying attention to what a shambles tiger, the outlay would do in the first day wonders about what sort of ordinary when he had said for me, the poor sixty seven in any shot like seventy or something like that and buy them. The second day when he lost the boy. You ok, you he's he's done so we don't have to pay tension to him anymore
he had one that the whole thing is. right into Sambo, killing golf been alive for weeks and months, but he went. He didn't even come close. So now my favorites are, I love bricks. I hope he can get healthy next year. He's my favorite I love you. I love what he goes with. Doktor Johnson worry basically says you don't get out of here: you're, not that good. So that's good! He almost as acts like a basque buffer. Like him. I like I'm with you and John Rob, so talented always feels like he could self destruct. Do I do leave me a little cold, even though I bet your personality, there's nothing there you don't know whether he could be up six in the fourth round or he could be down ten in the fourth round he would have no idea because he's just as blank slate, so I dont really enjoy that, but I do think he's so talented he's like the guy you would cast.
in a sports movie to be one of the people going against cast iron. Think up tourism So I like these with him, the railways in position to Eagle and in the past they would three part. So you guy is not very good. He wasn't a good potter, but he's gotten, there is a partner. His personality is so dry the Maghreb. Mcelroy comes alive and patch agreed comes alive, and this is what you don't see you all that, often in baseball or football. It is what you do see in basketball and you, It is similar every once in a while involve in that way. wearing helmets and their emotions are fairly visible state. They have involved the director cuts away from golfers much more than in basketball. The director cuts away from basketball players because in basketball you're there to see two or three people per team, and you want to see them all the time.
All the time dj reminds me of trace emigrating. Who I really liked, but was everything came so naturally to him? It was almost annoying that he was a better. Even though is the top five guy for four years in your watch. Him go man, you should just be the best where this is disappointing. and I did the same way where, if he finally wins the masters, everybody partly reactions, well, he has won the masters. Yet these supposed how the guy has that that happen. So it's almost like he can't win, even when he's winnings array and I go to treat him a great first. Second, can I ask you this and I yet how bout you superior knowledge in basketball, what a tree emigrated. Do that I mean the sport where you want a five and you would think that one of five would be able to influence a team. Not necessarily to win championships all the time, but you never go out of the first round
I now reign in the round. That's the thing and that's why I am doing this book: a basketball back ass, rabid doing because its interesting to look at some of these guys in kind of re examine them? you're gonna be on one of them soon, but T Mac is a classic bad luck. I re he leaves Vince Carter goes too Landau. He thinks he's going to play with Grant Hill and Grant Hill breaks his ankle, and it's just never grant hill you waste all this time. There goes to Houston and end up with y'all Minghu in retrospect, even those nice to have two awesome guys on the same team with kind of a bad fit. Fourteen that cuz, you have the same foot, six guy who's, just blocking the lane. You know, I think, if we knew what we know about basketball now in two thousand and five, you would want t Maxx
with everybody, spread out with him attack in the room and shoot threes, but we didn't know about so he has his whole career and it's like man. I wish we could just do that again and try it tried. Different team differed offence. I think he is really town did I actually think he's weirdly underrated because everybody just saying the plan record on him and in this case I'm not sure what else he could have done with it minutes. He had well ok, so the pushed back on that is every while there is a supremely town, the person who fall- could the under achieving rank because performances and play off and had to be Sanders with the Detroit. lions, who everyone it might be one of the five greatest running backs of all time, but didn't do it in the play off in basketball. The whole sees it as the play off. Yet that's it the play off, I'm with you and that's that's. Why I'm the greatest such a fun guided talk about you know he did
He was the best player on a team that won twenty two straight games in the regular season, which is weirdly the best thing he did, but it, as you said, it's the regular season who cares, but you have to be really good to be the better, especially the team that he was on that you're. So yeah, it's a complicated subject. Tony, it was a pleasure as always thanks for coming out My pleasure go, I would- and I wouldn't go on with anyone else, but you the phone I'll, even say why go on with that. I appreciate it. support from this abso comes from infinity. Make your car by expand convenient as it is luxurious during the infinity winner sales event, with infinity now from purchasing and leasing offered online test. Dr without going to a dealership getting your service.
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Who who you know have have gambling issues? one world the dice, you're here, o thou, it actually worked out. It is a positive das. Story. Can you? Oh my god, and if I got better its approval, and what will I dont? You deliver anymore? That's that's it! I reached penny. I wish I had been there as this is unfair, then, because I have gambled with you and I they both of us the same issue where we always think it's going to turn around we're always going to roll the dice we're always going to go eat at three hundred and thirty. In the morning, it's like outdo dealer. Things are going to turn we're hopeful gamblers and in this case you're trying to win a million dollars for charity. You correctly cs it as wow I'm up to what was a two fifty k where the timely, like I could just back this. This would be a lot of stuff, a new start, taking no action. We got to a million now
singular raise real awareness tee. So what was the war? Was the gambling problem, verses awareness for the charity or raising ratio in your head? As this is unfolding? It was a fight to the death of our. I watched her for the first time last night. You and I think right around a quarter million mark. That's when it gets to be a big delta between number two fifty plus and the thirty two thousand Maybe you can walk away with any started actually to get serious at sixty four thousand. Could I think I made at that question the most cavalier as you have just been like pocket onlooker ask anyone undergoing a guess: gazelles like it's, not that bad, embarrassing, although as I just don't want to be the laughing stock of you know, a millionaire, and then they got that the questions really do get more nickel and more difficult when you're in the chair and right around the two. Fifty
half a million dollar mark. That's when I'm thinking just constant fear of you just can fuck this up. Do you just fuck this up, so I yeah. I honestly don't even know what I was thinking, because the rational side of these are usually bail out: half a million dollars, Well, I know what you're thinking as I know you and I could see your fuckin wheels. Turning would you would you realize the billion was in play any idea where, since last but I had I was going to happen. I would have a negative he's got for this he's just for I mean those. I know me, of course, no like Ike. I care resist that that impulse and then that the cultural, that I didn't verbal eyes that I think I tried to explain on the million dollar question was. If I lose its actually sort of a win as embarrassing as it would be because If I walk away of half a million, no one's ever gonna talk about it. I mean the Aztecs Celeb
that of water from half a million. No one ever knows you know those names. or even the charity. Therefore, in the restaurant histories totally fucked right now, and I just don't think on the media's and people are talking enough about the problems are, and this is with the end of August, and I just right: what's the most embarrassing thing and then if I had explained all that I did it to raise awareness than in my mind. It will resort to rationalize me answering incorrectly and and also all that aside, I have a gambling issue in that, ultimately, what motion fishery over their heads? Well, you did it, though, that smart move was when you wrote the day said the sixty four, because you kept all your options open for help later on, and you also got rid of the fifty which I agree with. I think the fifty fifty is little overrated. That's what can I do
compare the other ones right yeah, but it's difficult. I sort of regretted doing that, because it was either fifty fifty or asked the host, but you're you're close of chemical knows a lot of stuff about pop culture. Yet and I the fifty fifty would come into play very handy, maybe later on the million dollar question. I I debated that quite a bit. I think they edited out a few fume. You me hemming and hawing over what to actually do, but well that was a good one to to get rid of more I mean beyond a million dollars you raised for charity and the fact that you now become the guy who's mentioned you like Flipper, Anderson and Sunday, when they were like Terry kill. They ordered sixty two years, The record is held by four Anderson you're just mentioned out, who has to be a or for their us, your life, but, more importantly, one of the great asian sports moments of all time. Thank you because you didn't say: these one now,
Do you get to a million, but year ear dream team of small people, you assembled Mina, calms down, yank, is going underrated. I think team, Asia, America to the highest degree, and your people realize islands really goddamn. Our immediate graduate Harvard like nineteen or twenty, and it was like a english major, his major graduate near the top of the class at Yale, and I graduate the sea plus from should be college. So I was leaning on either of that right and wrong asking Mina or Alan whoever got back to me. First would have been my friend to sit down with. So I I don't know if it's enough play. That was all asian team that broke the twenty year: drought. It was such a drafting of your team aids that They may get offended that I wasn't even can, because you figure with me sports and pop culture. I am
those two covered, I would have in trouble with the Batman question and so on I mean I mean an Yang was an unassailable combo. Have I have about my lot? I thought about it, a lot of course, because you people obviously listen to you. They, they may not understand you're encyclopaedic, knowledge of stats. It's it's insane so that that I knew was gonna be easy, but I also know you don't know too much about like sigh fire and certain kind of fiction. Comic books, comic books, so I made a list and you certainly there and it wasn't about making them all asian team. I really was just trying to go with. You know like the stats, the Gimme, that the highest Kwan number staff, and I came out to me and for me, so we we'll insanity we have this, we have coup and the falcons there. What else do we have this decade does opera? Is that the big three? Is there one more
I think that might be. I mean you have a way to second o mean Atomic, as I think we might even thought whether some part like tat the Koreans have claimed Kyler Murray here, right here. This is another thing right, it's very clear. While she got offer cardinals airplane, wherein like a korean shirt, and I think that presented to everyone. That's korean, like cheese, interracial, these hours now. Let's forget to take a look the big went to, and he was in the air. Vp discussion mean texted me he's very text about this morning and we are talking about you in your love for gambling and how now that there came a mamma we're like. Oh, my god, this is so much money it it's like now. Gotta keep gun means said. What you witnessed is the inherent contradiction that lies with the North Koreans extreme cautious, this in an addiction abetting to good effect,
That is the true statement I've heard and along the real paradox. I was inside of my brain, like hey, I can embarrassed. This is a lot of money. In the other side, there was no no reason. It's absolutely makes no goddamn sense why I decided to go for it like it was just crazy lions, for especially when you didn't totally no of Benjamin Harrison was a prisoner not like it to be an aside any either, but I knew I know it wasn't grant. So the last question for people who didn't see it was basically who is the press first present about electricity and await us? Yes, and two of the two: the candidates were grant Andrew Jackson and I knew those weren't. I know those two weren't, because it was too close to the civil war and I didn't think they had electricity in the White House, probably to the late one thousand eight hundred so is between Benjamin Harrison and Chester Arthur Right, which, if you've done your fifty slash fifty.
If you kept it had they narrative down, and it had been the tooth one of the civil war president's with Benjamin Harrison. I think you would unknown, but you had made. Instead, it took you like seventeen seconds to read the question yeah. She remembered the second could I just and she basically spat out Benjamin Harrison. They got cut off, yeah and if you watch the show, if we go back and collar after I win- and she says she was going to add, but grove Cleveland who wasn't even part of the list. So all five of those president's sort of war president's in succession starting with Johnson Grant, and then it goes Arthur Harrison Cleveland or something like that a way. Yet I am the fifty fifty not have helped me out at all. In fact, I probably would have chosen Chester author or something like that. I I I
legitimately didn't know the answer I did even though Harrison was positive, and that was for me my personal gambling intuition was aha. Aha, this is a, I'm no idea, that's gotta be something right and I'm a new Chester, there was a president. I had no idea what year so is really to me Harry and was the thing that stuck out the most and then one means said it, but it wasn't. She said, probably through me off and then you I'd Yang, who came through bigtime Batman, comic too. He was such a meter deservedly getting all all the hype and praise the whole question, I wouldn't have one this without her, but I would have got near without Alan, yet I mean that guy Save my ass in so many ways like I honestly didn't know bill even the first one, the clean play club on the lie like that couple episodes ago, I had no idea, because, when you're sitting in that chair all sort of form of reason,
logic for me or went out the window so great to have someone to just You sure this is right. You sure this is right and then that suit make one did you know that answer now would have been out you you would agree. To me- and I would add, just had the though tat obtained if they were good football coach. The map procured him. Look on my face hysterical. Firstly, because I had no idea. I was little that he didn't know definitively what the answer was used like. I think it could Superman holding carvers had so I varying. I you know Yang was running out of ways to get women. I think he only had. fifteen different ways, now he's got the who s thirty, be a millionaire as well just a package for that kid really We ve right, like if I M Vp, of the series you got the last wedding stay when he shot, but yet again, as I see it occur in the bulls here- is that that is both first post.
Ferris came out and hit the eighteen footer Ba yeah I had a triple double gearing serious envy PETE when, when years in that chair in the adrenaline really going so now, it's like the equivalent of a for plant black Jack, and you split threes, and then you get another three now and I'll. Send you have seven and on the table in your heart. You starts pounding. Is it like that multiplied by seven hundred yeah you're, probably playing fur base anchor and much say you have five thousand dollar, what a lot of money per hand and you get AIDS and and keep on splitting, but the dealer, showing you know, a jack tat. Yet and you split it now to the maximum four or five times and each a you're getting another aid three and you got a double and that's what it felt like. Each question was like more splits and more doubles and.
It was it's really hard like watching from tv is, is easy like sort of- makes sense when you hear the question the thing that through me off, though, without the pressure, if you're playing blackjack this music- that's like blast it here so elegant assuming you're sort of. I do you all your own in your little bubble and the lights are flashing, and if there is music that, I think would add to the adrenaline rush at the black jack table, You know camel pretty well he's trying to do. These, keep the drama going be suspense for fuck with you, which is it everything to do with anybody. He knows so that this is like everything never liked about anything and he's drunk out whether you're, right or wrong once we get the leg, sixty four k were you just like scrutinising? Mikey was they were What is that experience like
It's almost like waiting to get like an std result or something something because it's like over and over and over even with questions like what what's animal can't jump and, of course it's an elephant. You still think You could be wrong every questionable. From my perspective is, I could be wrong, it's not like I'm right and Gimme, even on the simplest wants, is just fuckin with you right and their yeah. I honestly don't know how he did it. right, I thought was maybe they're like writing it out on his computer screen, because it was like so perfectly how he fucks with you, particularly how he sort of like draws out. The answer is it was it was excruciatingly painful very good. It did you think of having JAG reared and, as in the outlying cedar, now Dennis tighter who would have been the worst candidate data cider problem, now
Jim sort, she gives up its existence stood there in complete silence? I took time but about the the chair, you did it for and why you did it and what it means. Well, my buddy Chris Shepherd started a charity a few years back called southern smoke based out of taxes, It has evolved to become a national charity that has teamed up with it other smaller ones, to basic, give financial assistance to anybody in the hospitality sector based we're getting a grant for money, and That's one and is one of the very few national charities. That does that. So that's why I wanted to do that they're, so many worthy charities, but this coronary industry, the russian issues just getting demolished right now, so That was the one I had to choose. What's, let's take a break, and I want to talk about what's going
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ago did a distance dinner. We news, Canada last supper. Everything got shut down within probably a week. Charlie's terror no aim, depending on what state you live things, either really shut down or they're kind of shutting down. You know who knows, but I think for the most part in the big restaurants. It is it's a bleak and it looks like it's can be blamed for the next For months what what is the way out wait? What is what say the vaccine comes April may live start, stood relatively normal again by next September, to be safe. What are wider, restaurants, look I'd, buy them. I don't wanna be doom and gloom, the usually didn't gloom, it's not good, even with the vaccine and first to know. First of all, we have to get through this winner and shutting down. Listen, there's a healthy diet, about whether that should even be allowed because of of covert right in think. If we had government assistance, we should have shut down and it could have we,
you have to be here number one why there are so many other avenues, and we got here out of sheer incompetence from our government and its unfortunate, because it's a trolley car park. Not a restaurant, oars and workers don't even want to be there at a safety but like they feel like on I sort of half do that being said, you have to get through winner, to figure out how to make ends meet because a fixed costs. Casa, restaurants, haven't change and we'll see like I don't know, what's going to happen, if we don't get a stimulus package for both the workers in restaurants, that is what most important the people that work in restaurants have to be taken care of before the restaurants. That is a long restored. But that is what I think, because you can't save all the restaurants. That's not gonna happen. So Let's just say Georgia flips and we get stimulus and that's probably the most important thing we can have happened to ensure the two Senate seats in Georgia FLIP
They all that happens, and then we get a vaccine. You're, probably gonna have a bunch of closures between now and then until spring. It's right now survival who can make its spring yeah right and then because outdoor dining with such a boon to so many restaurants, tat My concern is right. Now we can address one problem that I know is going to be an issue and it's not going to talk about, but. We were doing this by zoom right now. We both have employees and its Does that everyone that works may never go back to their corporate office environment like they used to? Maybe it's two three days. Maybe it's forties. If you move one day a week of office, people going to work, that's devastating for the restaurant industry, one day right, we'll talk about slim margins at best and that's giant replica and from getting your coffee in the morning to your lunch, salads and sandwiches, you name it in makes it difficult, because corporate business is so important for restaurants,
it's very similar to the economics in in flying commercially, where the business class takes like twenty percent the real estate on a plane, but like thirty percent forty percent of the revenue very similar for restaurants, regardless it doesn't have a fancy, restaurant or not, because in New York, if you are put Dagon, you sell bacon egg sandwiches, cheese, sandwiches and dollar cups of coffee, like people that are going to work yet out there. Income it unfortunately like I'm, not an economist. It has repercussions that I dont think we're gonna be good. We can address that now and we're not in that. That's why I'm like what worker? We will not allow the lab events stuff in the bigger cities. I think is a disaster to four nine. Lived there for all deserve better, but we don't even know, and that comes back. We don't know one more minutes. I think the legs are optimistic in places like live nation, their optimistic to like this.
Where people are gonna, Wanna go out and do stuff again, but you know it's one of those things we need see it. I do think if we get the vaccine go in, and could be ready in time for the summer. It could be a really cool summer next summer, where ever and just letting lose some, even when we saw each other couple weeks ago and I've had a couple distance dinners. I've tried to make an effort, see people a little bit more cause. I think everybody starts to lose their mind when they're just been around the same people same environment all the time, but I do think that in appreciation now for gathering with other people and seeing other people and not having your face covered at all these basic things that we took for granted. So I do the optimistic so apt to Mister Bell. Glass, half full bill thinks when this We can get through. All this work should be really good for restaurants. I just don't know how many of them are be left exactly. I think you just accurately predicted what's gonna,
in restaurants are going away, and this is not the end of restaurants. it's just a lotta restaurants that shouldn't have gone out of business probably will go out of business, but the that mere act of breaking bread of talking to people that you care about laughing drinking having too much wine like these are the best things right, like I, MRS so, much. I mean I'm so tired of cooking in my own home and that after we had was a total blast, and I take that for granted all the time that was, One dinner we used to have dinners all the time. I know you and you know who I am I know what I just said is pretty tower, but I am, salute the optimistic, doable that we're gonna be able to support the business and a right ways. I have to remain hopeful in while we go glass, half full, as some stuff argue mentioned, how Europe Human beings it.
like, we did it with podcast. Now we never thought to do stuff on zoom until March, and now we do almost all of our podcast on Zoom. I think you're right about offices where maybe, if you're going to go in the office five days a week, maybe they'd go three stuff like that. I'm trying to think how this could be good for restaurant what the positives are. One things as I do think that gun better at the delivery stuff you know and whether it's basically all restaurants, now being on post maids caviar. Door, dash oubliettes wherever it is there on their especially at here, know, either restaurants, I never ever in a million years, thought would be on a food delivery site that they are. I also think they've gotten better at you, no cranking the stuff out being ready to to handle demand things like
and maybe that's just where things are gone. Maybe less people going to go out to ie and maybe delivery is gonna, be more more important. You ve been saying this since, like two thousand fifteen there I mean I started businesses, justice, delivery only there a little bit too early, but you're right, you don't delivery is the future, and you know this pandemic hasn't restaurants, experience difficulty this was gonna happen, a list of the pandemic. This is gonna happen over ten to fifteen year period. This just accelerated at all into nine months, and there is no question that if you didn't open up your business to deliver, things were going atop. That was happening anyway. In fact, I'd argue the people that would like had that already like sugar prices within do really well. They already had a delivery in the packaging and restaurants like that have been, we extremely well like high and sushi, because it has certain things are designed to be delivered. Their crushing
but if you're trying to figure out the game, it may not be the right thing. Peace has been crushing. I mean that is probably the number one food to be delivered, but for us more mobile, if you go we're we're lucky, because we're selling consumer product goods, assault and spices and soy, sauce and stuff, That was part of our plan to evolve out of the restaurants anyway, so you know anything and everything is on the table right and if your restaurant of your supporting restaurants, You should support that. I think you should choose two or three restaurants that you love and spend as much money as humanly possible there and if you are a restaurant owner, I think you have to it's almost like the end of it, season, when you know you're, not gonna, make the plants and start trying to do whatever the fuck, because you're like who cares yeah and then in you're not out of the plants quite yet, but you're extra it and that's where we're out- and that is very I I love that part where you have nothing to lose.
And that's where I feel like a lot of restaurants are going to do a lot of innovation that I think is gonna be super cool. Were people exclude? This doesn't work I'm gonna do whatever the hell, and I think we're beginning to see that, and I am extremely optimistic about the innovation that you're gonna see in the next year, plus What could it yet? Couldn't we see a restaurant with a really? chef that we, like you, say, fuck. It don't come here. Actually, I'm I am actually getting about all my energies that in the old days we devoted to hug is my service. What is the inside of my restaurant? Look like what is the architecture? All the different nuances that makes a great restaurant and somebody could just say, yeah, I'm just I'm going to have the best delivery. I'm have the best system for cranking stuff out getting PETE getting food, the right temperature to as many people as I can and maybe that's maybe that somebody who's gonna be a pioneer. Is anybody doing that year in a way that you feel like is futuristic
sure. I think that there is a lot of every cities got one restaurant or what to three restaurant groups that have just adopted a lot of different things like I'm thinkin about the linear group in Chicago, I ain't done extremely great job of of everything, you're saying, but I mean for this audience. You know it's: it's the Ringer Podcast network and a lot of people spends in some ways the future restaurants. This is an opportunity for ships and owners are restaurants to finally embrace analytics right. It's it's like, Look at the margins, see where things are going to go and if you don't embrace it you're right. You were gonna go to business, anyway. So a lot of people like well, I don't need that. Why do I need that like this makes me? most amount of money, so you know what I'm not going to serve three quarters of manual. Just gonna sell the top three things that people want. Anyway, you're saying this and my concern with analytics too is it doesn't make the game beautiful?
necessarily right and I'm worried about that artistry to talk a lot of my chef friends, see the writing on the wall and what they need to do and there, like. I don't wanna play that, your enemy. They don't wanna play like the Houston Rockets. Basically, what analytics takes over that's good for dominoes into Poland despite that, because they ve already crunched, are they analytics you of Ben? virtually swung my love of dominoes back to loving dominoes again, because you did a whole thing about when the covert started. Your leg just get domino state, the peat, the ovens like three thousand degrees they ve mastered basically contactless delivery and its gale. Are you going to do it and I did say that and I dont want people go you're, not putting the painter restaurants out, saying they figured it out. Restaurants,
We're like all that we're like the Oakland Ays without embracing money ball. Yet in Europe competing against the Yankees and these giant fucking market caps. You can't as a restaurant, you, you are competing against people with access to public markets that are on the stock exchange. You don't you kept play that game, you Jeff hand dominoes to Poland. All of these companies they're not even rash, rogerson we're there more like technology companies. You cannot fight them on this and I spent some time in dominoes- and I was like- oh my god, when they can damn it- I like there's one company that is just going to fucking crush. It was domino's, because when I was there I was shocked that no one even touched the food for the most part yeah. You know it is one of the safest things you can eat because of the the the temperature of the oven. So you know it it's it's. It's not were playing field, but at that at that time you want to fear. What's the safest thing to eat, I didn't know in in March you don't know ain't. No one knew anything so.
Well, you did a thing on your pack asked about the best food to order like what we kid? You figure you order as they make it. Some is gonna drive it it's about forty five minutes, as sixty minutes stretch before you actually get the food you arrived at the same conclusion that the seventh family, as read, that which is basically its PETE Censorship pillar, Those are the safest two things you can get. What I would ask, what am I missing? I guess jelly sandwiches, though, is the craziest thing is I never thought that that would actually travel well and it's like all sushi like every sushi spot is just crushing, because we're not getting them Gary they're. Getting the roles in that travels really well. Its causes that have pizza, though not all pizza, travels. Well right, most people say the chicken and most people that think about pizza, now think about the pizza for the Papa Johnson, the dominoes
pizza if a dancer crossed pizza and there's a lot of pizza technology about there's like what forty years of pizza technology about keeping at heart from the pizza oven to your. Ass, it unbelievable about that, so that kind of pizza, commercially, available pizza travels really well the thing cross pizza than the appalled. the style doesn't travel well at all sushi, I add in really works. Well, yeah. in part. A stunt like that or, lastly meets ass, others pastors and cream sauce is all that stuff travels really well and fried chicken surprising. We traveled extremely well real Nobody ever hit her Miss a nap or maybe it depends on the place but like if you go, Like one of the chains it just its, it just remains crunchy.
You know when it's something that gets good to my mic, so the crucible for the best kind of food did it get delivered, as does it get better after thirty minutes, or does it not lose any of its integrity after thirty minutes they get better like paunch on fried chicken, for example. Amazing, you know cream fried chicken really well Popeye's. I've got a couple times really good and the other thing that travels really well as chinese food. the extremely well? We should imagine chinese food, its pizza, sushi chinese food as yet three. I thought it better to victory. Yeah I've noticed one of the things that really helps is actually what water like if you're ordering, I don't have a pepper A mushroom pizza, the mushrooms, can end make it running by the time you get there right same thing like if you have some scrambled eggs scramble thingy
and you have mushrooms and other staff in and by the time it get searches, super buttery in running, not great seo. He almost half the bees strategic with that to it. Where is gonna, be like in forty five minutes, I met its counter into if you bought up a good point with pizza mush those are the things that go on it because you think she's delivers really welcome pizza, but it doesn't outside a pizza. Anything, that's melted, cheese delivers, horribly yeah right in Europe, We see innovation happen on delivery, and you mentioned earlier about, like people are trying to figure out this game tacos without covered in the pantry. I don't know- would have evolved into what it is now like. If you try to get tacos in a like, delivered with it already in the tortilla. It doesn't deliver that well, but allow these places a figure out how to like serve these kids right where it, then it there's all these ways. You can meet
it really delicious at home. So that's what's good to see but like if you order case, a deer does not travel well at all to trust hackers, tacos pravity out I'm hit her. Miss has first of all that the shall has to stay crunchy, but they are so the way package it and that's something that I think has been a huge advantage for the sushi places at least out here. They put a lot of care and thought into how they had their separate and the food each other what's going into where everything is way so that it doesn't get accidently opened in the bag. As the person's drive her now, I've had they ve had a head start, but I'm telling you built like all these other kinds of foods are cracked and the so so I'm seeing that tacos right now, right now I've been getting from kids from or tacos or talk was nineteen. Eighty six there's a bunch of places that are you. In there and its. What is one of the male cat, the milk, it seems. Rather, we knew to me, said: Nancy Sober Thin,
was the first man. Now I mean the meal. Kid probably learn a delivery. I made I mean, I know a lot of us we're on gold belly. I wanted to I go about me: that's coming up after the break, so that's been huge for a lotta restaurants put the meal kid itself all that anyone we can lay claim that I guess that's what I've been around for. While because let you say you loved going to my mama, who for a while, I mean like Majordomo and and You wanted to get. You know some food to go there I mean, I know, restaurants have done it for the special gas. Well, they'll make a lot of stuff. Home like taken ninety percent there, and then you can finish it at home, so that sort of been an arsenal, for a lotta restaurants. In a while, I will Taco Bell. well, my back. Let's take rates dugout gator aid for over fifty years, Gatorade has fuelled the best athletes to rise to the occasion there. There.
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super expensive. Still, it's really frustrating and I think they're in phase one of a company in a product that will be really cool than about two years. I think what cinch thing for me is having the ability here, in LOS Angeles, to try food that I've heard second hand or foot. Fan from people like where there they all man, if you ever go to Memphis, go to this place. Durban, Texas, good here, go belly has some of those places in again it's expensive, it's not for any any everybody. you finally join? Go go belly with their with Mama Ferko you in a couple of things which is already like you, get it now until MID January, as theirs bent to ban for, but in general This feels a good thing. I have some questions about. What is the per cent how good it would be in a restaurant verses getting a globally. But one thing that I found has been awesome. Is the pieces yeah there's a couple pizzas that their prepare perfectly unfrozen, perfect?
and you just throw them in the freezer and then you make them and you follow the instructions, and it's like ninety percent is good- is the real pizza? What where? What is the future global air? I mean Yo it's been around for a while, but it's like many things it's just taken after in the past nine months, and I think it's time we were were entering like the crazy time, because things are going badly, are only going to increase in popularity because you have the national regional. Yes, oh a lot, Austrians are getting wiser, they're trying to figure out how to sell their food too most amount of people all the time and the thing that goal. think has done really well, is that you take it the whole restaurant right you're only getting the things that they're working with the restaurant that will try. Oh well, that will freeze well or that can get shipped
the next day without losing quality, and that's the smart thing right. So you can get king salmon from the Pacific Northwest Chris Bianca Pizza, that's frozen, like everything in between like about lobster rose may I did you get that I haven't got now India, but if its highly recommended apparent here's the thing man it is expensive, but when you want that fix people want that that fleet or taste of a restaurant or an area. So I think it's at then the really beginning stages of like dominance. It's gonna happen more more. I think it's gonna get way less way less expensive. It's gonna be more affordable. As the logistics yes figured out, well I'm sure, there's gonna be a couple competitors that pop up to and it will be different there when haploid posts mates in everybody. What made you because initially resisted this, you you finally
up, jumping on with a couple your dishes, including the port buns. What kind of process was it to decide? had a male. These added, a quality that Dave Chang Psycho is comfortable with it with people eating his food at an acceptable level of quality. For you when I was the big things quality right. If you know one of the reasons why I've never done to Elyria Momofuku food because it's someone's watching it and you know eating in front of their tv at the apartment, they're going to still judgment the same like they were going to the so we wanted to make sure we took our time on or not because we are against it per se. We wanted to figure out how we could ensure that quality. So That was it. It was a long process of figure out the logistics of making sure that we could do it on a consistent level. there, there's nothing worse than getting something from a russian you want and having it such yet right, so there was a lot attesting involved. I mean a lot
I can tell you how many people got shipment and we just got real honest feedback. We dial the dance, that's what took so long. So it said I wasn't one of their testers, that's fine! Whenever We will go all the way to play for I was the one that was getting it over the past few parts did you forget give it did he ever no answer, but any pointed out that it was. You know it was pretty consistent. We have a lot of it was just like when you on boxing everything you want to. You want an experience. You want this whole thing that you don't want to just open up the box and be whatever so there has to be instructions, they have to sense of discovery. So I think we got them pretty happy We were it's a pretty cool time where you can basically cherry pick some of the great restaurants and America and try one or two of their special dishes. If you wanna splurge every once in a while,
and really try that I like that, were at that point, and I'm excited at sea where that goes on the flip side. I was going through as the leading a whole bunch of idle, for some reason had way too many very so my phone and I had a really gone through my stuff- was getting my phone restarted, be slow. Some, like I'm just gonna go, is were met by the pandemic. This is the point of the pandemic, where you rent the Thyssen Jones Fate and you delete videos from your Iphone as you're watching it, and I found this video of when we took when House and Nathan. I went to when two majordomo, an you brought out that was with the giant, think, are the jet the best and the giant thing yet, the plate whole place for a boy slices table side, yeah yeah, so their guys we're get out and I'm video taping it and I'm like Dehradun, Dehradun, music and I'm cutting the house and houses like it looks like he's going to have a conniption and we're all just like we are going.
Love to this giant sure faith in the places pact, averages and ass, a God damn at this feels like it was a hundred years ago. I really does mean, You just described me as a I want to eat that so yeah we're going to get back to dining. It's going to happen, there's going to be a lot of change, I can't wait to do it because the last meal we had together before parks was at that she spoke yeah, and I was like the last supper for far from happy of this for a while, and I think it's gonna happen again. It's just going to take some time and there's gonna be some seismic. Yes, but it's an adjustment period and it's it's it's will see- will see what happens. That night is in my top five February, as I have no idea hiding, I covered that month nights because we, the dinner, and then we went to some bar for
They party, who were highly pact- and it was like two weeks before everything got shut down. Yeah we were in a giant Ball Room in Cape town. It was passed like the Spirit, is loud purchase. Bidding on each other's there talking and it's like this is exactly how you get covered. We dodge the bullet. in from all over the world, all over the world that that party- I say- oh, my god, you're right how the hell did we not get drove them? I had another when it asked, are weakening. Chicago's ended up at some bar there's, a thousand people and their news pact like people pact like sardines, same thing, leaning over spit on each other, and you just think I could just to adjust. Would it take him one of those? But you know, Can't wait for that to happen. What what do you think's going to happen with the stadiums bill in and sports? So I don't this not enough. This is false provider,
I think the legs are really confident. Things are gonna, be normal May June. For two reasons: one is the vaccine and you know God only knows when everybody's going to be able to get it and the political stuff that comes with that and how it gets totaled out. If there's complications who knows but you've between that and the rapid testing is getting better by April, I think the NBA I think, they're looking at June July as like we're gonna have fans are play games and we need and that's gonna play out and we have to prepare like this is the reality for us. Whether that sure not I don't know, but there is a weird confidence rain. I think the same thing for the concert industry, I think places like live nation we're having concerts this summer and where booking of these arenas and people are going to want to go to concerts, cuz they're, going to get the fuck out of their house or apartment for the first time. When do you think you'll go to clippers game like you? Miss live game,
I really did. I weigh more than that. I think I'm mad at myself for taking it for granted. I actually miss the thing I probably miss. The most is just I was had the ability to just go to Boston, go to Us game. Aurettes ice game hang out my dad go a couple places announce at Boston, shut down just like now. Haven't that action has been really like mess with my head. I'm granted there's worse things in the pandemic, but I miss gonna, though the Boston Cameos more than just you know the typical Cooper game, but I really miss the finals. I really felt it especially those last two rounds where you know I was trying to go to a couple finals games celtics when the eastern final stuff right that the energy in the atmosphere and, having removed was weird, like Celtics Miami Miami out to try to go to every one of those games right. You know it s. Just like now nobody's going I mean I know what would have happened. We would have drawn up and about what restaurants to Eden each town drier right now seriously.
Well, yeah, I say like it could have been a Boston Ella files which would a ban would be awesome, When do you think it's come back as I am? I am optimistic for joy in July. I think so. Many people have so many incentive, so many smart people who have means of money to try to figure this out. Everybody else that I am optimistic. I am optimistic. I think things are gonna. Go back to normal as normal can be probably or on April. May you know you can talk. People that are much smarter than me, but I am, I think, concerts and games are gonna go back to normal, This is why I have some concern about the restaurants. Was life here? Listening to this, you know you need to continue to support Russia I want to make sure that we people have places to go before the games and asked the games, because this has been a very very difficult year for everybody, but the restaurant mysteries problem even hit the hardest of all the news that you care about. We didn't
one thing to talk about four: we go cuz. This is therefore something that happened to Manhattan Beach where there her diamond thing when you got may have beaches kind of weirdly been transformed in Kuwait, where you think like when you go to Europe, England and there's just people in bars and a lot of people outdoor said bar, especially like three o clock for a cock. Amabel moved there for the Olympics. It really struck me like how much Fun London was where'd. You say how many people are just out and about, and you could, in the streets in a way that you're, just never gonna, feel it here and away the outdoor dining thing, which requires basically grabbing parking spaces. When territory either shutting down streets are making them one lane instead of two or one way street stuff like that. But it does have a revitalizing effect, I'm rural areas and I wonder if we're going to care
at over when the sense where, like in Boston, for example, Charles Street, which is one way but has a couple really good restaurants on it and they push the our dining out before they got shut down, and I was there, but my dad was. I gets really cool here. You feel, like you know, it's like Boston is just kind of on steroids. Basically- and I wonder, is back in it, transfer, I hope its days, because you know I have been in New York for a couple months, but everyone in saying this. It's amazing because all the restaurants, it's like, there's no traffic with cars, it's it's it put the diner first and it just as a different way of experience. It things like we just had a one with parks like dynamic outdoors was cool
It is very similar to me and I actually being in Korean, so we're so much of the dining on the street yeah, and I hope, because you know, I hope, that the government and the local authorities don't that up because being ever like, walk around and drink, and and that's it you can like by takeaway booze. You could just like sort of drink anywhere, her right, yeah, that's lot of fun. It's almost like being in an outdoor casino without the tables to act. If it ever get out the outdoor blackjack table. Seeing correctly the couple of them tried it. The wind had a really good out there. Blackjack table is only like six or seven tables, but I was felt like that was undervalued, to too much distraction go onto the usual by the pools and their yeah yeah. I can I can't do it. I need a Anita like we were. Some like you in a dark corner and just focusing- and it's not fun is this- is this is a job,
You need to know that just the two of us death back to see who goes to perverse, Can you break the other? I do not want the last at last. I see the last time you clearly one. It is. If you want to see Bill Simmons, like willpower, it is the gambling table he will not leave. It is unbelievable I'll. Never ever go head to with you on that again. I just like playing blackjack in my wife's always suspicious of it. She thinks that he's got to be more. You got to be doing stuff on my note for the camera and make this a place for nine straight hours. a proud of it, but I must wait. Is I'm MRS? So much I'm not joking? I one of the main reasons I wanna get vaccinated is just so. I can jump at that pop up. Well, that's a thing, we're joke about it, being you and house of people that, having again my problem to me, the real of a gambler problem is if you're gambling
casino right now they give your playing blackjack with perplexity. Ass an either side of you and a mask on you. Ve got that's going too far. I wouldn't even do that, nor I what's funny about that that defeats all purpose eyes like the rival catch that I had tabled here, where the fuck a Basque, my favorite, Pakistan, Dick, I data the last three years was when you made house, did the post game show after we were up. All day. On my part, if I say it was my dream idea for a package that can never happened, just the post came Vegas show of guys recap, and there is therefore a debate at the tables it really work it was. I was
No shit to do it? I think that's what made spoke, but all of us were where that their great added hours, I get daughter of second hand any last question, any the nine months here too just tinker in there in the kitchen one other parts we develop, that we launched to risk a recipe club seated Turkey, and then he did. You dig a hole stuffing podcast, which is about one of the key points the podcast was stuffing. Is this thing we think about once a year? But if anyone made it at any other point of the area be like what you're making stuffing? Why the fuck? Are you doing that, but anyway you're trying to figure out the perfect stuffing recipe? you ve done. All this trial and error, mostly boredom in Europe, could suffer your family, your young son Have you stumble that anything that you're like wow, they almost like a pitcher real? is like oh, I can throw a split finger. I didn't I could do that. You did you up a new pitch.
I will now I've. Always you know it's almost like. If you want to talk about baseball, I was one of those pictures that it was. Fuck around the a no, but I never. Never had any time- or I never wanted to put it in the game in the microwave to me- is the knuckle, the microwave ok here, and I have hoped so many meals in nine months in the microwave it is I've always loved it. I've always had an affinity, but now man it's delay he's a future machine here in present day and I've cooked so many goddamn recipes that aren't invaded microwave inner microwave, so yeah the micro to me, is like discovering the three point shot or something like that fun believable is. There are high and microwave reserves. Special, my graver does matter with the Maghreb is ultimately- that matter. There are some Bell
and whistles you want, you want it to be rotating bubble bar, but you know you don't have to buy a super expensive microwave. The wattage really makes a difference, but you know you just have to test. That's so you don't have to buy. I'm like a thousand dollar microwave there. The cheapest one on market, I think, is like fifty bucks. You know it's Rico on my ass. My daughter has who, for whatever reason, is a really good cook, I don't really fully understand that. I think it's part she can follow instructions really well, which is why she's get it soccer hackers, I'd repetition being in the same places following instructions, but the trial and error she can kind of get the hang of that too. But she made banana bread. Last week that was atta control and all of us were like what the fuck. This is a huge could sell this, so the trial and error of that which either in general a year and a good shit
because you ve been able to hang out with your ear young son way more than you probably would have if your work in flying around do in seventeen tv shows is that, but that I, my daughter's fifteen and have this is probably the last time I'm ever going to really spent like this much time. Whether and it's been fine like being like subject for the trial and error bakery stuff who's going to getting this tragic, don't don't water become a chef, though method I'd, but here I never let no! You wouldn't, like this rate, the best case scenario, somebody who can cook but they're not doing it professionally and drive themselves crazy in others that I think it so funny all the chefs. Will I dont, let don't become like me yeah, I'm, I'm gonna get hate. Mail are addressed. do you want, you could have come a shovel were absolutely not at all a shepherd so fuck it are. But I fear you know your daughter's shootouts it at other things, so she wise up,
Kirk I will have a talk with her two commensurate with its could be just Baker like pyre, codification and stuff, like that Chang Great, to see you further time. More importantly, can grow son who has been? I was incredible. Who is a rare? It was a rare, positive, happy story, a real standing on yeah thanks? How do I I think I'm worried for you next time you going to Vegas you're going to be like you know. If your chest is going to be out we're going to do Vegas to I'm about to Vegas without you, so we're gonna do together will be able to talk about it. The attain this much it be with me where the Mass Cavern Plexiglas sadly heard about the vague, as it will be real gimmick. I get to see Jack Facebook, that's it for the BS pack ass. We put up a new, we watch Wall Street. If you missed it
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