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twenty four seven would live new sports talk and so much more find the perfect pick for any mood on peacock. That's why you can't not watch sign for free at Peacock tv dot, com I'm Alexander and I'm looking down- welcome to reparations the big pay back, the production of color, far media Iheart, radio and the black effect. Gas network. The world is changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I tasted in the pot liquor much that once seemed impossible. Suddenly is much that once seemed immutable unchangeable. Suddenly,

is not. If you listen, you can hear river rolling. If you listen, you can hear a river roaring. Justice is a river you may try to damn. It tried to stop its onward course, but it will go where it will and woe to those who stand in its way shouting go back. This is a story of that river. It began with a simple promise: a radical one first proposed at the close of the civil war by a Committee of Black Minister. Two Sherman great conqueror of the south, to give formerly enslaved black people, forty acres of land in South Carolina Georgia in Florida,

forty acres of land, a peace as recompense for generations of forced unpaid labour and cruelty for the separation of families for the barbarism of two hundred and fifty years and more there would be land later. There is even talk of meal. Sherman kept his promise and, under his special filled order fifteen in the first concrete act of reparations for slavery in this country, as many as forty thousand Friedman were resettled, on former slave owner land, the american government under Lincoln, was recognised, this unique suffering of enslaved black people and watering, the soil of suffering nation within a nation with justice with practical physical amends, but it was not to be

Under Lincoln Southern Sympathiser successor Johnson, the dark forces pushed back, a land was taken from the Friedmann and given back to the very slavers who had kept them in bondage. The river was down the great battle for reparations for slavery, was thwarted, set aside postponed for a generation and more in the next century The call to battle to repay the children and grandchildren of slavery was taken up by old women warriors, like Kelly House, ensued, the? U S government itself, and by a lowly warrior queen, Queen mother, more they watered the soil of justice with sweat and tears, steel and its bottomless cruelty. The power of white supremacy would hear nothing insisted there had been no real harm, and even if there had been was all

buried in the unreachable mists of time, and what could be done? Nothing could be done. The river white supremacy said was fine, just as it was, but like the rain, the call for repair restorative justice. The pain, drenched, hearts cry from the soul of Amerika for reparations was never truly silenced. New fighters picked up the ban in the rushing rivulets of the streets in those mighty fountains of black power, the pulpits and the swift moving straight if the local governments and in the thunderous cataract of Congress Itself till the sons and daughters of the bondsmen could. Finally, here the unmistakable sound of justice coming just is coming home justice, roaring rowing

like a river to the sea, it's not home! Yet now! Even now, there are those who stand in its awesome pan who shout go back we'll they stop this mighty river. Wow Erika well we're. Finally, here we're almost home: can you believe it this

certainly has been quite a journey yeah. It has it's amazing. Looking back to think of the places we ve gone, the people we met the different voices we ve heard. I think it's changes both. Don't you absolutely and the time we ve been talking America's racial reckoning, reckoning were deflection of racial reckoning or failure to have arisen reckoning right in this pass. What is it five months that don't like a year from the insurrection at the capital, which was about white supremacy till the trial and verdict on Derek Jovan, which was also about what supremacy or more to the point, perhaps about the death of the

majority and the reassertion of supremacy tactics and terrorism. Brother yeah. Well, I'm glad we went on this journey in the midst of these momentous times. You go away at tried, it Whitney say at five times a fast by tat, really save one time but listen. I hope the folks who came along with us got something out of it as we did with one more thing: arab world. then listen to your introductory peace here. I need a little more info about pot liquor. What am I like? Black Google or something besides with me, I've gotten your family holiday gifts? Yes, you have, you know plenty about pot liquor. I do a low to the DOW family, but in this days to get a little taste. My brew, all you need is a little imagination here. go,

there's that word imagination the Erika I know I teased you initially when you suggest we re, create Billy, walkers, magical feeling in a world of reparations, but I gotta admit you start your guns and, in the end, that seed of inspiration gave us this big colorful field to plan. So are you trying to say thank you. Erica when it was a great ideal. I'm really sorry about laughing at you in that in your. My blowing genius next time out get out of your way lay down the red card. Then what you know I like anyone putting words of my mouth Erika, but in this case you're welcome. Whitney is just another day and life or creative genius like me

That's right, dialogue by the public, a trick you into saying anything. I want we work anyway year. We were fortunate to meet some terrific people. Warriors who are shining light in the battle for reparations. Every journey needs its fellow. Its front line middle and we regard rate for me, Autobahn Robin Rue. Simmons really stands out. You know the idea. at a local level and her case inevitably Illinois that she could push hard enough to actually make her community face the issue of reparations without waiting for it to be a national policy, or something like that. I think that really kind of revolutionary, definitely but addressing the need for national policy and carrying on the legacy of the great congressmen. John Conyers. We had the gun Congresswoman Sheila Jackson leave Texas enjoys talk about HR, forty, the historic and law overdue resolution before Congress Diploma COM

to study reparations slavery, is original sin. Slavery has never received an apology. The number of Africans who died in the new passage over two million number of a slave to die during slavery, first second and third generation over two point: five million who has a history like them reparations, should be welcomed by all Americans, for we are not asking one American to give one payment. What we're saying is it's the only way that slavery ended was a governmental action of the thirteenth amendment, governmental action and reconstruction failed after twelve years, because it was imploded by governmental people and after reconstruction, a reign of terror that had never been seen the hanging fruit. The

the oppression of voting, the tearing away of land and the amazing concept of the continuing de jure and de facto impact of slavery. Today, mega businessmen, Bob Johnson and economists, Julian Balbo and William Geraghty broke down for us just how much reparation to accost het it'll be a whole lot. The debt that associated with a reparations climb were black american, disillusioned slavery is in the vicinity of ten to twelve trillion dollars. That's an estimate by examining the magnitude of the difference in wealth that is held by black Americans to find their origins in the community of individuals who were subjected to enslavement. We say the target for reparations plan, elimination of that gap. bringing the black share of wealth into concern,

and see what the black share the nations population while how we gonna pay for all our bombers and cyber warfare with bake sale, I guess, I'd better, get started on those cupcakes. I didn't know you can make Whitney. Oh yeah. Ok, you do that in the meantime I'll get a beacon recipe for my friend we know. Well, I talk to you, can really cook slice it and serve hot the ribbon, our sharpen. He explained why white supremacy is battle to control the narrative around reparations yeah. I wasn't really aware we can be hearing from the rev till after can I slipped him in their Erika II that was kind of pretty sneaky? Well, I learned from the best Whitey coming Whitney. Ah They take all issue and somebody is wrong, but is there they are more qualified gel us. Our story, and others asked already. We are ourselves. I was reading a book on Frederick Douglass

and I would readily Douglas was runaway sleigh workers. From the yard you doing in there was around. We are abolitionist, were all about this well built play. That could agree and that we can use to go out there. Push our causes, the white, blue, Englanders, wool? Being abolition? Is movement brought a man they started bring them around various galleries, and these guys, and they were like no, no, no, we don't need you to talk. We just need you to be there, be this late will do the talkin it's like weed really, let's say you equal, we sympathise with your butt do the job it. Let us right out discreetly, never tell the black spread rapidly allowing us as equals. This is our journey and we know our journey better than anybody, and that is a fact.

A wise courtesy. I run into it. You re mass arrests, global work. Well, grasses fear that they can tell blacks how we deal with our sovereign boy, your job as a member state should have allies on the same working people, but you King ownership of me, and you will We can no longer allow ourselves to be ensured led by those that do not understand us and that's why I think that we can start were out of electricity evolve. Me somebody else for you exactly about away supremacy? got me you right to remain me. I'll find way made me get out of my way. Get your knee off my neck. We also got a solid definition of reparations from your pal, the Riza, or should I say you are son, Bobby Diggs, you know you guys are a hoe american saga unto yourselves o Lord

TAT S, okay, that was the shameless plug. Your series, whew Tang in american saga, is there can be a second season by the way Erika, yes, Whitney. Thank you for the subtle product placement go out was thrilled. The result could join us reparation What is it it is the making of a means for long that one has done by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged. It comes from two woes repair and action, so does it is the action of repairing the damage that one has caused. It is now and we need it He laid it down yeah. We got a quick education and white privilege from joy, Reid that was a fun game and Yvette Carnell. A truly gifted advocate for a very specific definition of reparations. She broke it down and showed us how we to discuss who gets. It may be one of the group that has been oppressed from slavery,

and then has had the entire government. Local federal the nice against them. No other groupings that now some other guph explained during this period. We got discriminated against during this period, some of our people. at home or list which you do. I have a history, the stretches from sixteen nineteen, twenty twenty one you don't have to. Melvin doesn't make us the same in terms of our contribution to America, and it doesn't mean it. You should get reparations the same as me. American descendants of slavery came here installations. Every other group came here either on foot on applying you came here. Volunteered voluntary versus involuntary has consequences in terms of reparations. Now, did you have one parent who comes from american chattel slavery,

Now, let me tell you how to best figured it out. If you have a break with him, was a sheer proper whatever you come from slaves. This is what it is not hard to figure out. We have rakers, but if you are black immigrant or have you come from black immigrants? No, you don't you reparations. This is a specific justice claim, is sacred nail it terms the people who come from the caribbean and black immigrants and their children, because we have children, a black immigrants were not like immigrants, their black Americans. What we have them all protections in a black agenda They have lived experience of discrimination. They of the inheritance, the plunder they don't have asked us who came a slave ships, but they have an experience in this country which is racial asked. So the black agenda helps protect them as well as us against this racial ass kind of discrimination, so that is there for them. The Rep.

Relations. Peace, though, is just for us that really set off the hotline. We set up for people to call if they wanted to find out if they qualify. You know it's still going Lebron James Elisabeth Warren J, EDGAR Hoover, Carol, Channing the Jackson fire Stephen Tyler VIN Diesel Midlander Rachel thou Michael Jackson off the wall, Michael Jackson, thriller Michael Jackson, invincible, Darth, Vader, LIVE Tyler, Stacy Dash, come on girl, Carol. Channing, Stephen type. Or from Aerosmith is part black? I guess partially so do doesn't it look like a lady. He looked like us. laden by all Stephen Tyler. We also got it fascinating lesson in slavery, based origins of tipping from sir.

Jeremy, as we say in New York, who knew there is now Mountains of evidence that tipping is correlated with the quality of the service tipping as ever election of all of America's biases from the inside of America and what is is correlated with is race and gender of the server her eye, color her skin color, her hair color, her hair texture her breast size, whether she is willing to touch the customer or be touched, and so that segregation of workers of color into back of House versus front of house switches eerily reminiscent of the way in which slaves on plantations even in reconstruction. People of color were treated and differentiated and then on top of that, the differential in the way people are tipped off of that results in a five dollars per hour, wage gap between black women and white men,

in our industry that differential AIDS, generational poverty, the sub minimum wage exam surveyed the inequality and it forces? all of these folks to live off of tips. The fact that people of color- lesson tips, even when they have the same positions. It is a reflection of still. deep seated racism in the United States, even when workers of color make it to higher paid positions cannot earn the same and tips because of this racism Erica. We really had an amazing opportunity to speak and learn from some really really heavy hitters thinking now of your friend Reverend, William Barber. He is my dear friend we lucky me allow me some Bishop barber, and yet he really is the pre eminent clergy Voice of century, Bishop is carrying the mantle of doktor kings, poor peoples campaign he caused

reed we're living through now the third reconstruction he came with that moral authority of yours, you know that, and he gave us fair warning about the price America will pay if it ignores the build its do. Justice disasters justices established just That's all it is and the automatic roll down I was young. Come now like a ministry, as such there. we must remember what that the king, they say they Emma said six. It is early Walter, This is why reasons I walked about who I really there have been cases like this,

twenty four hour before he was killed. He said we got to give ourselves to this movement, it might cost us, but we got to give ourselves to this little cuz. We either go up together or we go down together and nothing would be more tragic, for us to stop. At this point, another heavy hitter who bought his a game astonishing genius passion in serious commitment for the fight was killer MIKE, even if his mess It was not a pretty one year. His message was disturbing, whose disturbing because it was true, I think we call it the ugly truth.

a concept that racism is a big business and that business may be too big to fail. The ugly truth is racism has been extremely profitable for America. We have a problem in this country and that we like to use cheap labour to create wealth on the other side and the community that has been used for cheap labour. The most are plain people. I believe there s country we can be the country we aspire to be well, there's liberty and justice rocks, but we can no longer do this if we are married to the classic capitalistic system in which we use and abuse a people that were brought here for free or cheap labour. Just like we do migrant workers now, just like we ve done ever in the past. Just like they did the Chinese to making real rules just like they ve done even irish and obtain a population they came and your throughout our twenty seven

This country knows that a different ways possible. The questioning Are we to lazy and apathetic to try a different way? It is easy to talk. Black and only planet with the poor. Racism is an advent of classism classes than a tenth of the booze Yz and the elite meant to oppress the peasant class. If we don't start to fight racism right now in this country, and we will forever remain an empire that uses a free labor of black people to exploit and capitalize off of, we have an opportunity in this moment to give people what we truly promise as freedom and justice. For all that mean we must fight fight, fight, step of the way against racism and is not enough to be non racist must be vehemently antiracist. Looking for timely news coverage, peacocks got it with you need the latest headlines or daily debrief. You can find it all when you sign up check

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I could beers on the boulevard that always seem to know whether someone's been eating their porridge sitting in her chair or sleeping in your bed, I'm a storyteller, a lot of good luck stories in my life, but I know good luck, should apply to everyone and not just in fairy tales. Good thing shouldn't only favour the few eighty anti gets this, so they making a big change and give all their customers, both new and existing. The same great deals. This is huge whether you ve been with eighteen, ninety four years or you just starting to think about switching visit, HTTP Dotcom, slash best deals to learn more restrictions apply killer. Mike is the man who her brother, I would vote for him. I would roll with him. If you love me to Rome is letting you know, I'm really excited, because we got to speak to so many different types of people.

and is not every day that you get to speak to a billion are former presidential candidate, but that's exactly who we gap with Tom style He rolled the money ball to expose the financial barriers that can Can you to limit the economic growth of black Americans cocktail hour and I started a bank fifteen years ago harshly. Redress the systemic racism in the, actual system in the banking system in the United States? It specifically addressed economic justice environmental sustainability and supported businesses on by women and people of color, because there was stomach attempt to shut those people out of ownership of wealth in this country and that's what redlined was dont want a lucky. it's against the rules of our back to lend the blank people who are going to draw a red line around african the neighborhoods, and you can't Londoner, which shot black people out of homeownership, which is the basic wealth creation historically for american citizens, and so started a bank from scratch

Basically, we measure every loan, not just on whether its profitable because We need to be profitable. Silicon contain and business but all What is the impact on the community in terms of job creation, in terms of who owns the bank in terms of six? dream carbon and, if you can't do that, then that's not alone. For us, actions have to be taken not just to be fair within the Bank but to redress the long time deep racism of the banking system- and you know not trying to be fair but to be specifically pointing out the people who ve been discriminated against and trying to give them the opportunities that have been systemically taken away from the mere Flint Michigan care. Weaver joined us to tell us about the dark water story of her city. When you look at what really hurt and it was about a group of people making money and rearing ridge because off of the water supply and having taken our pipe from us. we sold water to all of the surrounding

cities in our county when they changed our water sources, they put us all river of all things mean growing up. You know we all knew you'd water from the river. You find cars, you find bodies, you find all kinds of things in their agenda as they made that switch they didn't, star water. How do you switch water source or a city and not tested, and when people complained about it And said something was wrong. We were told the water was fine, but think about this. It corroded the parts for the GM com, There's an gm got off of our water, but corrosion control was never added to the water solar drinking. This water, that were told, is ok for a teen months. We complained we held up bags of hair skin rash, as those kinds of things and on our water source had been switched, and you know it had to be a cover up, because how do you keep that? Quite for eighteen months from the right

of the world when we're here inflict, you know yelling and streaming and crying, and I got my water tested. While I was campaigning- and I got the call from Virginia taxing on Sunday night, said your water is tested high for lead and they told us not to even use it to brush our teeth, but they had never planned on. Telling us and sharing this information, because one of the things we found That was the state. Now and they were having bottle water sent to their state buildings here, while the people continue to drink this poisoned water and at that when it was more than lay because we had bacteria in there there was a call I knew there was a kind of mess in. water. Yet nobody thought to say: let's test it. Let's put corrosion control in and get the people of the city of Flint off of this water and that's what led to the Flint water crisis. Was you no cutting off our access to clean water and when you talk

bout reparations and what people are owed as a result of a wrong that has been done to them. Flint has definitely not gotten what we deserve: CARE Weaver is still on the job. But at this moment Flint still does not have water justice, an racial justice she's been fighting for now. I wonder, switch gears, and talk about something that I really enjoyed that Jurassic Park sketch I did with Creasy. wait: Owen, should. I saw her first said hello reparations mosquito in. Please call me Whitman, so today. We're gonna, be learning about the history of reparations, indeed, a difficult yet worthy conversation told within the rich painful tapestry of America's failure to acknowledge the sin of

free and the debt. Oh do it's formally enslaved people, their descendants was exhausting quit. Oh no, you don't reparations mosquito, no backing out now talking about raising a mere who can be exhausting but trying to get reparations, that's lakes a snow globe in Boston, expecting it to bring in Cleveland. Thirdly, I am sure they had made better vaccines. Do you read me Whitby? You sounded like bores go you didn't get John DOE man Erika you know. I recall minstrel song, you saying you didn't exactly sound like a everything you know, let's hear Lilla that racist institutions down. If you don't,

Although no come on. I don't think we need to get at again. We are talking about the house now without the community had had again. I was impressed. We were able to explore the powerful story of the late queen mother, more through your back to the future interview with her me to one thing. I've learned and been impressed with on this whole journey was how many times it was women black women, from Sheila Jackson, Lee Robber, who Siemens going back to Kelly how's, the queen mother, more, who had been at the forefront of the struggle Slowly Luther Bob Welcome Queen mother. I'm glad that you're here. Thank you so much and thank you for placing us with your story. You, No thank you MA am so you ve been organizing around the black community for a while. But how did you get to the liberation movement like your work, with great Marcus Harvey real hours face, brought internally

because, God Movement by the fact that he I understood did he was to come and speak to her ass. A Louisiana and We went to the meeting, and LO and behold he didn't come. we heard the man, refused to allow him to come. So we were very incense the bad and got up delegation You go see. Why, then, is guaranteed Denmark is covered with come the next night. The hall was packed with people. Bobby words with ammunition guns. Everybody had guns, black people would girls, ok, blues the Smith and Wesson Sir german logos really, and now I had two guns with me. You showed up and showed out that's what's up amazing. an ambition. Everybody have you weren't. You call a suitcase today because river.

The police would stop him from coming, remain and reward to protect him. While in the night tat he did go what happen very five hundred people within that so when God came, we find it very much My friends, I want to apologize from that speak to you last night, but the reason I didn't speak to you, because the mare permitted himself to be used as a stooge by police department to prevent me from speaking to the when he said that, police jumped up and run you in there when the police did that everybody jumped up pondered benches? We had benches Dan took out a gun straight up, the guns, were up in the air speak obviously and learn garlic. As I was saying, anywhere repeated his cell, and

police fire that they like little puppy goes every policemen five as a whole can forget that speak or we speak. Oh, I wish I was there. That was me. thing you know erika, and I am proud that there were white people showed up people like historians, Adam Roth, men and add Baptist, and then of course, Katrina Brown descended the largest slaveholding family in America. The bore, witness and gave us a much tour story and about slavery and its aftermath than we ever learned in school and the wolf Historically, they brought more Africans on their ships than any other family, north or south. They purchase human beings who had been kidnapped by force or in a complete and utter state of terror, and it was the most horrific type, a circumstance, and could possibly imagine and my ancestors did it over and over and over again and as my cousin

said they must have known. It was evil. How can you not when you are hearing people screaming and holds below, and yet they somehow told themselves stories to justify that this was ok and their blood runs in me, a huge Channels amassed from all this. That was pretty much squandered by a couple generations later. We would It will say we inherited money, jerk wishing slave trade, but it's really obvious to me that we have been in the elite ever since the pattern where once you're in the we knew Mary other elite families. So, unlike super aware of the class privilege. Has remained, even if we're not like rich level super aware of how much social capital I have so they ve gone to a lot of Ivy League schools, private schools else. I've had just the best education

That's a pattern in the family. So just extremely aware of how much We were set up to succeed. We wouldn't but to say we inherited money directly from the slave trade, but it's really obvious to me that we have been in the elite ever since. one heavy hitter we spoke to more than once on. This journey was not only upon if a woman but was so weak, Keep getting more and more a quest for your mother, Miss Sammy Alexander, my mom. she's not only lived a lot and seen a lot she's, not shy. I'll tell you about it, started in seeing about it and think about it. Heaven help us. Star wars. ouch

We also heard from people speaking an opposition there the preparations law, a dark side, When I say dark, you mean black. Now I get it with some white people. They worry about perceive lost of some kind of status or privilege right and as to black reparations opponents. I dont really feel comfortable criticising them? I don't really know what that's like my place. I don't know very fair and right or wrong, or still I think, you're thinking of worry elder. I know specializes being kind of a black. Contrary yeah, like the photo negative of what most black people, think that Larry

you ve been mentioned a couple times that America has yet to atone for sleep. Well, remember: that Lyndon Johnson March, the so called war on poverty and nineteen sixty five, he specifically talked about the need to redress path. Grievances relax. Since there we ve spent over twenty two trillion dollars and the payments to fight The so called war on poverty is my personal responsibility: They were think tanks on the web, like the Brook institution, the think tank on the right like the american enterprises. Do they agree that the weight escape parties to do a handful of banks. Number one finish: high school number: two dont have a kid until you get married, then with we get a shopkeeper job, don't put their jumpy. Another job in number, four avoid the criminal justice system and they don't say this formula only applies to you, your white. You said the former applies to any bar equal rights and you will result- are two very different thing and that's what I think we're getting confused about here: everybody titled equal rights, but nobody is entitled to equal results.

As we talk about who pays, who are there's to be one of the greatest generational transfers are well back and forth, because virtually every people on the face of the earth was involved slavery, so think about who always one is gonna beat. I haven't achievement ok Larry whatever, but no he's not alone, and what about the former in a fair and high trophy. When a Herschel Walker I've been a fan in open reparation. Where will the money come from? Who is why what Santa. Why must you be to receive reparation, operation, isn't free. I correction why TAT was seen of slave owners, government and others, we parties did not guilty party? Is it now creating the vision, a separation, we're different races reparation after you Changes to, let us know we're still after American, They just America, that's

This is a bad light, that's America's, is out No, that's cool step back me! Ok, but he in a wood talk about Larry and Herschel tubes men in their issues, but in the course of this, journey over no ripe and struck by white people and their reluctance to engage in this discussion wholeheartedly. Now I was the one who said it that I know that they have. reasons for white fragility, but I saw some reluctance from you to Whitney

and I think it kept you at arms distance and relegated you being avoided like watching commenting but not sacrificing or offering your son and by that I mean personal testimony, that's how I saw, but some time for me to realise that, although you Workin create powerful projects in Lena, and I'm Talkin bout race. You may- have some white fragility in fear to the sometimes in our discussions. However, consciously. I thought you were trying to protect yourself and I was frustrated so though you may be, we further down the line than most other. Why people? I think your white persons work in progress. I should always be posted, well think we're all

can progress in these are hard conversations to have not surprise. You felt that way. No, I get it Whitney. I may I do, but as a black woman, I can not deflect or avoid this kind. station. My people, my family, is only and I am all in a more exposed and more vulnerable. So that said so we can be clear. I believe the moral state should must be higher for you, so your investment must be more significant, you know, because the other ways to go and that's the only way you can catch up and we need gotta to catch up but hey you know we were on the road together, brother, okay, so let us keep moving.

Some of the places we visit along? The way made me mad der matter than usual? Ok, yeah. Remember you at the old slave market, New York City, right there on Wall Street and a slave burial ground there, you think of slavery. You dont typically think of New York, but there was this a market right across from the stock exchange and other places were mixture of excitement and frustration like in DC. Oh boy makes me stop and think about the full name, Washington, D C. I mean to bring it home. Aim is. The capital city is unique in all the world. Our capital, the capital of the land of the free, is named after time slave owner slave owner, whose relentless in its pursuit of one of his former captives on a judge, someone

you played the movie ARCA George Washington, the forging donation plantier did play only the at Washington put in the paper asking for it to be captured and brought back to him said she was delicately formed delicately for well at this with the sun freedom who signed into law the fugitive slave act? You know we were all to Washington for the debate of age or forty, and it's just resolution to study reparations, but the push back against it you think, was to put forward in the waters lower. I bet I mean by that

is a trip in a lot of epic journeys. We find ourselves coming full circle and that means coming home going to visit your father's grave with kind of homegoing. It was but kind of a lonely one. That's sad remote little piece of crown was a sort of karmic reminder if its failure to live up to greater expectations. For my dad it was the God and yet he's not bound to a piece of dirt. He lets hope we all are saved by amazing grace, but it's hard to say if there was any there there. So maybe home is inside of us. My father's barely Mark seems like a small thing in the world, but his black american dreams for what America could be. They have their home in me, you're. We saw another version of home kind of a starting place that you find yourself returning to our visit to the Whitney.

International Louisiana, and it's just a coincidence that it's your name right. Yes, Erika is just a coincidence, but the Whitney station is unique as historical place in that, unlike others, lay plantations. You can visit the Old South this when tells a story from the point of view of the enslaved Africans who lived and worked and died there. That was no. That was the gift it keeps giving and we met a beautiful makes a people of all colors, even a native american couple from the Dakota try and what they all have in common was that they were looking for a greater understanding of slavery to heal and fortify their own lives like you owe me Whitney Katrina camp. I am from Pre Alan Minnesota. It's a decoder immunity in Minnesota. They destroyed us in all our language and culture in our still fighting that today, bringing our language back in my husband's half data

flax or his struggle, trying to learn and he'll tell you he's not black enough, like he's not indeed enough for any people, so he's always you known for our kids, has some of our kids like one way solve our kids like that, it's happened. Half so their struggles are different. So what you know someone hopeful of dislike this indian they got like it's hard for them to identify with either or in our sole colonized. You can't be both, but you do we talk about them Agnes, it doesn't mean anything we I've been, I respect better like and we don't stand, we sit and we have to fight with people What gave them we have to fight with people have arguments simply tell them our point of view. No idle restructure, five I'd just like to make is that you, certainly wells. Romano Prodi, Island Minnesota. My father is wrong camp in Alabama

you told me stores when he was a kid how they was treated backing? This is in the fifties. His daddy was a slave. My grandfather was a slave and his name was frank now. My grandfather could read or write, but he was a great builder and he built houses and churches and stop it. so for me to come here and see this. It's just. It gives me a greater appreciation for my father and what he's been through because he's he's heard, while he was back there at home, camping. A distance of things happen. He told me a story where he remembered a man was accused of something that he didn't do and so he ran and Monday. I could hear the hounds changes.

in a man's chasing him. This man ran up a tree and the hounds found him and he refused to come down So what they did was they said the tree on fire, so he was doing they're gonna burn arbitrary or jumped out these dogs, and my dad told me that he could hear the man running and scream he could hear the commotion of indiscriminate a tree while I was on fire, you known. for me to think about that. No excuse me, the big. My back through the teasing me survivors, we're.

They are far from this tragedy and to come here and to feel these people saw, because I wonder who saw the still trapped out here, the kids to the grandparents, How do we free their sole give her feel like you're? Not being heard I have a really talkative family there. A lot of us and dinner can be like the conversational hunger games, the competition spheres, as is the ridicule and if you blow align, you might be the one catching catnip ever dean's, harrowing your back. Some I feel like no one's listening to me, but you know who's listening in making changes. Eighty anti you're doing whatever it takes to show that all of their costs, numerous voices are heard so they're, giving every customer both new and existing this same great deal. are you hearing this? No matter, if you ve been with them forever, are you thinking

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sugar, kettles, german coast uprising, memorial art worked field of angels, alleys, Gwendolyn, MID Low hall in Antioch, Baptist Church Ass, how it goes. So we heard some music playing in some german and we're gonna go inside the church, what we were saying

phone call O angel or slow down your cherry. We were saying in this because it just reminded us of home. So we just wanted to pay tribute to our ancestors here and we wanted to say something that we knew that would give them joy. Disarming everything, This is another turning point in our history in our lives and, thank God, we're here to see it is twenty twenty one and we are still fighting for freedom, we're still fighting for equal rights, and we come here to this plantation to see we're there wasn't any and we're looking for rubber. This is why we asked for reparations, because all of this free labour dead meat is these beautiful grounds. So this means everything to this turning point and we have to keep fighting. Thank you bless us today. We appreciate it. Yeah

already we are back on. The trail knows a pleasant day today. Sought almost looks like something that's out of a Sunday at Square one. He doesn't like it looks you ain't what there is no doubt that if he had to spend your life every weaken our slaving away, people all day having kids being sold off and then getting paid, nothing for it and then maybe having a piece by piece of corn, bread and greens for hundreds of years. I really believe that America has held

do you think it's already thing? But how is it tat you have? This is what I mean. I live said this so many times that you know you get. You get annoyed with me, but I feel like white people are like myself are trying to imagine a future and can't really imagine what that future looks like where we actually embrace this past and understand assaults. It's really confusing. I'm trying to be like a magical, positive future and its debts. When saying building. Why don't you imagine a future that you won't see with the future that's building due to? Actually, I wonder what I really think that fish. I dont think that there is actually going to be a reconciliation. I dont think that this actually gonna be reparations, and I dont think that that there is actually going to be some sort of Kennedy. I dont. I dont think that America's really built to grapple with the boy hard problems like that. So I don't know what that means recognising the bloodshed. I don't know,

I feel like. If there has been already has been, but not you're, talking about our scale? Yes, you can be. Some diseases can be. Son was bloodshed, him hurt, but us they're gonna, be it are you talking about like on a massive scale? Will now people massively goods, but one thing that you people have done is a farm yeah, but there's been a man thing is. Is that I think that the thing you have to be like honesty? Is that the actually, if you read the Turner, diaries or any white supremacist, that's what they're counting on their white supremacist their belief system? Is that they're praying for a race war cuz? They believe they can win a race war. So when you talk about black people rising up, that's what white supremacist greatest dream is the black people rise up because they believe that they have the weapons and they have the government on the side if it that will actually.

put a final and to the race war by destroying black people. Personally, I don't think there's gonna be a race war. I, when you say you say you think, there's glad you think there's going to be some. I think that there already is something we're seeing black for you, think I'm gonna go along with the same. You ve never seen any country's history, including the Greeks and Romans go along the all destroyed, in the long run like employers. U S will fall in the short run. I don't think there's gonna be some massive. I know, but you keep talking to short term and I'm not now I go there. You go that there's no nation ever that has held themselves if they do not put the people together and that's what you do know what happens nations they don't come together, they fall, they have always home and it doesn't have to be. The Alsace region doesn't be Russia or the communist. Is this disease in the cancer that we carry

You know I had to journey even further to see a version of home. I visited Ghana in twenty nineteen, along with my mother, the famous Sammy Alexander, and I saw the clothes the slave dungeons, where captive people waited to be shipped across the sea in the stinking holes of the slave ships. That must have been credible. It was, and I was moved. I was moved in ways I expected and didn't expect- and I learned so much with me, including Some of the subtleties of slavery story was the existing institution of slavery in Africa, like the chattel slavery instituted in America by the Atlantic slave trade or not Africa first inform All of you are welcome to the Cape COD Castle, dungeon

privilege and a pleasure to be your main guy here to this experience today, when I save Cape Coast Castle dungeon, I said that on purpose, because, as all of your information has informed you, this is the Cape Coast Castle, but many of us have also been a part of a movement. To try to say is the Cape Coast Castle dungeon, because when we just use the term castle, it kind of suggest some fairy tale image once upon a time and they live happily ever after. But we know that these monuments were name historical monuments by UNESCO because of the role they play in the infamous north Atlantic slave trade but today we have not come here to feel sorry for ourselves. They. We have come here to celebrate African resilient because when we realise what thus this way through and where they were brought to almost into the bottom up. and yet they saw within this spirit

we're gonna enough strength within this very to dare to divide that ended to live so that we can be small, bout the occupied time So even if our number Imagine that the male Don T go and how You do that rather than luxury and female that will visit a minimum, Not only will we grab we will never again. Will we arrive no return the door that we thought that we never see Africa again They didn't nobody destination.

Nobody gave them and nobody then the time it would take to reach where they were going or where they were going, one condition the dungeons that they love going? Was the darkness Oh God no travel. A rabbi going Netanyahu Levy on the executive secretary, the Manifest foundation we do a buyer festival hearing on every two years, bringing artisans and scholars from all over the african world to come to put. Inevitably- and I may african family Yes, I'll actors, producer states and thank you for once in your life, Tat S really tell her spiritual. Do you mind if I ask you a few questions, and certainly thank-

We think about reparations by being reparations is something that is long overdue. It seems only be a strange word when is applied to the african experience whenever are there, any other people have borne to war, been devastated any conflict. The first thing that international body comes together to talk about is: how are we going to restore this nation who had been where's by war by invasion of whatever reparations, only a debate when it comes to the applicant experience. Europe regions is often a debate because people always quantify it and money verse Duration is at the root of his word means to prepare a series: interruption in the african experience and the continuity of the african experience took place. It took place over centuries by multiple players by mobile of multiple perpetrators and Africans. Their eyes and Africans are more than worthy of having their condition address and having the world come together to talk about? How is Africa gonna be repaired? We're Africans at the centre of that process level. You say the Africans would be at this. The process

We are here in Ghana, and then we have to have a discussion with so many people brought up that the african country itself in different countries different tribes and their own people on those boats. Should they. any part and reparations, and what do you feel about that? I do that everyone has a part and that I think the onus is on those who would have been a fact that Africa is truly the victim and those operating collaborated with the minority of the african populations and because we had a few people that will possibly collaboration. You can not indicting blame a whole people HU. A victimize did not a single experience of any african family on the face of this earth than had ever been conquered I've been infiltrated without the collaboration of somebody own indigenous people, but Africans that only one blame for their own horrific experience, so african should not be, can you the travel down the false line that Africa, just all applicants, will make a statement, so we must understand who the perpetrators, who were the victims? Who would have been a fact? and who were those who took the lost, so

provisions. The broad subject and people should be bold enough to discuss it without boundaries. This is not disappear. Experience on african experience on Africa experience this is a human experience. The whole world benefited of Africa. Ravage the home. The moral must participate in the healing process, noble It can be outside of the circle of that healing process. We need as many forms as possible, but all segments of society to participate in the debate. We must find ways to organise our forums, our sessions and our conferences, so that is all inclusive. So people come to an understanding of how to understand each other outside of conflict, but to understand each other in dialogue.

z, the dark. at this time That's powerful and you visit there to learn about slavery, does give a whole new meaning to the word isn't funny. It keeps saying home, homey so important in this discussion.

I keep thinking of Stephen Paldi in the other, formerly enslaved men and women in Toni, Morrison's beloved with worked and lived on a plantation called sweet home, which she said was neither sweet nor her. I think that idea of home is tied up with the idea of justice. If you can't get justice there, it's not home, is it exactly? Can reparations, find a home here in a minute slavery and race was and is our national wound by providing a kind of closure reparations. Will this kind of restorative justice truly make this country a home for all. The world the slave made was not its wealth piled up the reckoning delay her children live here, but they are not home and will not be until accounts are paid.

Accounts will be paid at the river shining river Muddy river account will be paid at the river weeping River Hudson River, the river of justice runs home to the sea. We, its tributaries feel and urgent are damned sometimes sometimes fast and free for generations, yet unborn and generations go and Whitney for real. Thank you for joining me on this journey. You make a good team and I can imagine a better companion. I feel the same way Erika I couldn't imagine a better person a go looking for homework new welcome,

friend of ours, the Analog Society Master ACE world of song. That perfectly sums up our journey. It's a song to take us home. Take us home it's getting late man, I want to go home Baba's in the statement of one of them home. I'm feeling closed in. I want to go roam through the car. Vintage backsplash got a fire burning in me like a jack o' lantern. What was she like?

operation, conversations damn forty acres takes a lot of patience, land of the free home of the brave blood up a child, so lucky slave strange fruit hanging from a popular opera. He wasn't guilty of the crime when they locked them up, damn shame it could have been the doctor Bro should have could have would have, but the fact remains. You Louis be a threat when your black, with green there, rather than seeing on the pavement, pavement dispatch, ass is produced by Eric Alexander Ben, are non and Whitney DOW the Executive board sir, are Charlemagne, the God and Dolly S, Bishop, the super, producer is Nicole child murders in the lead producer, is Devon, MAGIC Robins, the associate

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