This podcast discusses domestic violence, criminal behaviour, murder and adult themes, while not explicit listener. Discretion is advised morning dawned on data of this earth for Susan Power, with more called icy, whether over West Valley City outta there, one that had painted the western- U S, white with snow the day prior was still pushing onto the east, the back edge, just click the rocky mountains detective Alice Maxwell hadn't slept much West Valleys led detective on the case had stayed up late. The night before, following his frustrating first interview with Susan's husband, Josh Josh, had returned from an

expected winter camping trip with his sons, Charlie and Braden. On Monday afternoon, clay to have no idea where Susan had gone at about eight on Tuesday morning, Ellis called Josh. He wanted to confirm. Josh was turning to come in for a follow up interview at nine, a m. He also wanted to make sure the boys were not going to be there as been on Monday night, the kids were there and made a very challenging He used that opportunity to avoid answering questions. And they were also distraction as well. The phone rang and rang until it went Voicemail Josh was dodging him, not a promising start to the day. Next, I was called Josh's sister Jennifer She said she hadn't heard from her brother that morning we were already on our way, but the weather was pretty and the roads were

pretty pretty scary and we're moving pretty slow. And so there was no way we were going to make it by the time he needed to leave in order to be on time for that women either way. But we said we would be as quick as we could and, and we would have happy to take the kids. While he went Adele without payment and we I was happy. I don't know how my mother was feeling I'm sure that she is not happy about the situation, at all. In anyway, I was happy that he was going in that he had that appointment because I felt like ok now looking at the bottom of it they're gonna they're going to figure out, what's happened, and maybe Hill Hook, clean- and no matter what happened it. It's gonna be crap situation, no matter what happened, but if he can, clean, then we can at least move forward

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Dorothy had over two wondering dot com, slash, plus and sign up now for access to bonus content. You won't find anywhere else. That's wondering dotcom, slash, plus again w, oh and DE. Are why Dotcom slash p? O? U S two here three bonus episodes. You won't get anywhere else Josh Had also got up early that Tuesday morning neighbor saw his minivan backed into the driveway at eight a m. He'd opened all the doors and was busy cleaning out the Interior Dax Goose MA. One of those neighbours had heard, Susan was missing. He dropped by to check on Josh I drove up. He was he was getting under Van with boys in, stop by and I just disport behind him. He asked me if I wanted to go inside a word about the whole situation in maybe me being paranoid morbid.

I didn't go in heat. He asked me if I wanted to go into the house and feel kind of weird about it still do cuz. That was the day after she disappeared and yeah. Those strange now by that point? Josh was already overdue for his police interview. When he says: Jennifer arrived. She learned. He had had other priorities that morning that we got there and Josh was able close to being ready just around wandering around the house doing things he a picked out in the garage he'd, do you come out from there backyard into the garage with this big armful of a kind of wet rags and stuff, and he came in he I mean he was doing.

Lots of different is looked like a lot of cleaning and you put in a load of laundry anyways Why are you doing that? You're? Your wife is missing, and These are the things that people do when they're not guilty. Jennifer suspected Josh had done something horrible. She felt if she could just get her brother out the door and to the police station the nightmare of the previous twenty four hours. Might and shards of glass from the window. The police had smashed still glue on the living room carpet. Josh asked Jennifer vacuum them up, so the boys wooden cut themselves. You know he is listing off. It doesn't change the laundry different things he wants to do all these things and I don't feel comfortable with I really don't, but what am I supposed to say? You know I agree. With anything he says at the moment. First of all. Finally, finally, he gets through

and finishes his shower and leaves and I told my mom I dont like this situation. I don't think we should be cleaning anything. I I think that this is a right, and so she called the police and asked about it. And what are they supposed to say? Tat tat anything You know I mean, like they dont know where we're where we're out with our our loyalty, is how much were going to be doing to help him and try to cover up. Problems in things that he's done. They, no idea so, of course, they're gonna play it cool and we find this out. Until I can't remember eggs actually, how much longer that, for they show up, and my heart GIS sank, They show that the door in a way I knew it, I knew

we shouldn't have been doing anything. But what can you do? Josh We made it to the West Valley City Police headquarters, just after noon. More than three hours late, a black net cap, sat on it Ed tugged, down low over his ears. He wore dirty white, sneakers, Denham, pants, a t, shirt and a blacklist jacket at a quarter to one Josh and Ellis entered an interview. Room can as were rolling. This is the actual recording Now on the way over here, I actually did call my turning patience and I should have an attorney. I called my tories, which is prepared in legal terms, That's it. I should definitely have an attorney

the regime or otherwise they said the mass You saw it I don't know thing was that doing thinking yesterday, but where's you Jeanne Backyard, Josh's behaviour and body language were much different than they had been on Monday night he'd sniffle delights his voice wavered. He kept looking at the back of his head and which were dry and win burned Ellis had taken pictures of Josh his hands the night before documenting a few small nix in his skin. The scrutiny see

to really spook Josh? What are you? What are you concerned about? You guys have implied some things, and so it concerns me Where were you imply that my hands as some kind of defensive ones, because they're all cut up and that's just system waiting That's what you'll be anything you need to worry about them right. You can see those pictures of Josh's hands at the cold, podcast dot com. Josh said he wanted to leave Ellis, wanted him to stay, but not Josh planned to call a lawyer if they request the lawyer you're not going the answers you want. You're not gonna get those dancers, they're, gonna, kill older attorney or their attorneys gonna tell not.

Answer and they're gonna exist it there's no there's no win. When you get a defense attorney, that's going to answer questions for a suspect. They sparred for the better part of half an hour until Josh finally caved you understand you will have to be here. I understand if you want to leave you to leave at any time. You are under arrest, detain you ok. If you don't want to be here, you can leave. If you don't want to talk, you don't have to talk. I'm just simply saying that I want to find your life. I just want to talk, but I'm getting scared Well I, if you haven't done nothing wrong, Josh, wrong. Therefore, FR. I am scared

Another possibility is what happened, worried about Costco's what happened to, because I have no idea where she's at and you don't either that's why I need your help questions. A subtle shift occurred in Josh's demeanor, his posture relaxed the sniffles disappeared. The tone of his voice flat I was settled in as well and started asking his questions. He probed Josh and Susan's back. And when they married why they came to Utah their friends, their work history. He's their finances. Their daily routines, Josh took long pauses before speaking. Only to then offer or to word answers. Ellison, move on then Josh Woods

only interrupt with some insignificant detail. At one point, even bragged about how little he could spend feeding his family has also cheaper and some time ago, two out of every four five bucks suddenly Ellis tried to keep the conversation on track. He asked about the can't leading up to Susan's disappearance, Josh on Saturday, they had gone to home depot and lows with the boys for the free children's activities. Susan usually ten these events because of her work schedule, but had taken the morn. For a church breakfast and decided to come along around and she laughed and the families minivan there. Only car on her way to work

when she came back that evening. They had neighbour Giovanni Owings Son Watch, their boys Tom ever see August where you going to talk about which I did you say your thing we did. I know you didn't arguing, a baby, sir. I think her son out was everything, what what we were doing: we are there. Please go away, you guessed it from six cartel. You went to bed on Saturday night were activity, we were given its

unlikely he couldn't remember- they'd attended a company. Christmas party forgot his work, Aspen Logistics Ellis moved on asking about. Andy Josh told the same story. He had the night before with some subtle differences, said Susan again to church with the boys. While he stayed home. And noon? He went to the grocery store, then he came back and made lunch and a pancake. Although she also of honour she has in any case to just and described Susan, getting sleepy and taking a nap Giovanni going home Susan.

Waking up to eat hot dogs and then Josh taking Charlie to go sliding. Finally, my son belts Moors super. Side covers moors snow cocoa. At Christmas though he was really well.

I'll see you on the couch playing. So I had the rug doctor would try to do something each week in to hard it felt when it wants to drive slow. So we can. We watch a movie, and I think that was probably Santa clause. Three then we

I talked to her about two: I'm taking the boys to do. S'mores, try out the new generator you know and she went to bed. I finished packing in Florida Alice wanted to know, had Susan raised a stink about Josh, leaving in the middle of the night on a Sunday with a blizzard bearing down with the boys in their only car when they both had to work the next morning to make turkey arrangements for her getting to work.

I was thinking it was going to be Sunday and I didn't even think about work and her. I guess it didn't cross your mind at the time Then what time? What time? Do you say that she went to bed? Probably one thousand two hundred and thirty ish? was there anything said before she went to bed and you guys talk about anything else before she was asleep just hugged and say good night. Josh. What he'd packed in the minivan jar said the generator heater. He met a fire extra clothing, camping supplies and a bunch of other stuff. I was a bunch of us others.

I don't know I mean, come on Josh, you remember putting Chris Cream cheese in a pancake. You need to tell me you can't remember what you put in your car. Laws Joshua, he had left it, with the boys. Some time around one, thirty or two, a m driving directly out to the pony express trail. He had a full time gas and made no stops or detours was also snowing. Also focus on the road to comfort her off like I said. I just found a trail in the part you concerned with the snow and knowing that there was a snow storm coming in, Yeah I was then Many manhandled format for serious operating with them.

It was not a concern with the storm coming in and it was already snowing, wasn't snowing it was so I was watching the road again, are you. Well That will be anything but get a stuck out. There we have the generator hears rigorously already here, how far do you think you were west on? The trail occurs.

Maybe twenty miles or maybe twenty miles. Was the same vague answer he had given on Monday night Josh had Ellis at a disadvantage here, the detective he didn't know the geography Out there I need to make sure haven't been out there to get out there. So I don't road. Voters like a landmark centres carries ground along the road voters. In fact There's only one formal, ground along the old pony Express route in Utah's West Desert. It's at Simpson Springs. Most of the land along the trail is public and open to primitive camping, meaning people can set up wherever they want for free, that's Josh's kind of trip and it's exactly what he said he did he claimed to have reached his campsite sometime

around four a m on Monday. Now that time line does work, I personally retraced the route he described. By driving it myself. In early December of two thousand seventeen you can read about that trip at the cold, podcast doc considering the time needed to set up the generator heaters and humidity fire Josh, wouldn't have made it to sleep until about four thirty, a m, he told Ellis he'd come awake with the sunrise, even though the sun was, cured by the storm at about seven, a am m that would have been a very short night of sleep. Waking jar said he made a camp fire and roasted marshmallows. He and the boys kicked. Under campsite for a couple of hours, then. Drove aimlessly along various dirt trails around noon he turned

for home wash the car is just the first word. I guess it's in my world Rio I wanna go slowly, I what What is the car wash car wash was others. So Sir was the name of it. I have no how'd, you pay

so nice, a self serve. Is that describe what it looks like just garages that you can call into and wash? pressure will offer no attended that certain gas station, also the roads nor and on and on it went wanted to know if Josh might have made up this car wash so I kept than I am or during my reenactment trip. There are two

our waters on the north side of Lehigh Main street between redwood road, and I fifteen one is attached to a gas station so that wasn't the right one. The other has for self serve bays, just as Josh described cell service was and still is, spotty to non existent in the West desert. But I checked my phone at the car wash it had full bars, Josh hadn't bothered to turn on his phone while he was, there were smiles on your phone, I'm sure she was concerned. The boys I was making calls this morning

realize I guess my phone has been out there. Just cuts out dies status and stop your voice. This was getting ridiculous. When I was asked Josh where officers ought to look for Susan, he suggested beauty supply stores. Then he added something he had not said. On Monday night he told Ellis Susan had been suicidal. How did that future relationship will start a councillor o issues, the press? I wasn't going to church, so

things been going good. You know. I should point out here that in all of the materials of Susan's I've read her emails. Her adult journal I've not seen anything that would corroborate the claim she was suicidal No, I decided it was time for a break. He'd been talking to Josh for nearly three hours. He said: Out of the room to check with the rest of his team, another detective Tony Martell came in to keep Josh from leaving Tell me how you feeling right now, just give up help you out let me help you

We gotta get distracted and pretty pretty worried. I just don't think she'll folk who just worried about what possibilities are you now

no more encourage board, there is obviously a little they worry about. You know what what's going to happen to me or my boys, you know, but what can I do to help you with that? I don't know, Take your one day time Martell didn't buy, it here's Alice Maxwell yeah you even taken advantage of the person being in the room he was. He was taken that opportunity to

They are literally put on an act say now. My wife, and which is all nonsense at the end of the day, is what is it? it is trying to take advantage of that directive They didn't knows that attention is already watch and we ve been monitoring right, the entire time we were not done and in us was to go anywhere. Josh, kept up the emotion clear say I was myself. One was appreciated because every time I see your by myself, I just want to leave. Every time I hereby myself. I want to leave thank you when I was returned, Josh switched back to the blank emotionless

I need you to tell me what you think has happened to her. I would think she would leave on her own okay, that's a start. You don't think she would leave on her own. What do you? What do you think has happened? I just don't know I mean you know you can sit in speculate. I don't have any clue. What do you think? I'm speculating? I don't know something must have crossed your mind for you to say that to me you guys.

The closest people to a person and always sustains suspects? Many and I may there has to be some type of involvement to be assessed by me, so Josh clearly understood the cloud of suspicion that surrounded him and the risk he had taken showing up at the police Station Ellis reassured him. He was not under arrest, but Alice reassured him. He was not under arrest, but at the same time he needed to turn their conversation into interrogation. Obviously I felt who is responsible is very clear that he's responsible

and the last thing I wanted to do is to get some information and then later been court right and the owl rejected, because you now I I legally obtain this information, I violated the civil rights he needed to ask why Josh it had Susan's cell phone in the many Van and why it's Sim card was missing and we need to get this figured out. I have other questions. I have a couple. Other questions I want to ask you: okay and In order for me to ask you two questions Ask you do something else. I have to read your rights, the reason why because it was this main read me my living splinters. Let me explain

It's probably one of the most challenging things in police work and investigative work is when you have a suspect or person. Events And you're interviewing them on moving in tune. Irrigation. You ve got a real. Right right and you ve gotta do that in a fashion tat. You want them to talk to you, you're not under arrest. You knock on the job. Ok, I know kung fu of all right and, like I said again, you're not under arrest. You came here any free will you can leave it anytime, you already knew You still know that right, although I want to ask you more specific questions and- and I want to see if you say that you to help us out. Then why do we need to do? We need to eliminate you as being a person of interest, there's nobody else out there for me to go and talk to and to clarify,

I need to clarify your story. I need to verify your story right. I guess at that point then. I need to finally to consider So I need to go and if that's the case, then that just was going to pull a long day, I'm just what I'm going to do. Some read your rights told you everything that I know Josh would not crack the time it come for Ellis to make a gambit Okay, we have your halfway. Have your house you're not going to be able to go back to your house? What do you mean? Number how's? Your house is ours for right. Now we're not going to let you back into that house your car tsars redefined. Right now to vote with.

I hope that our goes with zinc, but what kind of on his face was great and the feeling was wonderful for me, and I was very hopeful that he would find something in his van or inside the home. That would support that. He was responsible, Ellis Red Josh's rights not once but twice and asked. If he still wanted to talk, Josh wouldn't give a straight answer: no right to do just ask just now I have a minute think about it. No, I was. I was already why. Being so, We stood out for saying I'll come back and grab it

for what, one issue. Or you can leave just stood a look of relief on his face about it, for your wife is missing job, but I want to think about it. For a couple of days, Ellis left the room. Just as Josh was about to follow. Detective Martello appeared again. He coaxed Josh back into his seat. There were no sniffle This time, when I go out, that's when I learned that we have the children and we've got him at the children's justice center and another detective, but done a fabulous job doing a forensic interview is

is, she could remember. Josh had left Charlie in Britain, with his mother and sister in her brothers absence Jennifer had tried to prove to the police. Her loyalty was to Susan and to the truth, so. I just told them I tried I tried, do you know of after the side where my mom couldn't hear so much in I tried, I just I told them he look. This is in a good situation there's something going on here: I don't know exactly by I'm- I'm willing to help whatever you need, whatever you need me to do, I'm willing to help the police asked Jennifer to take the boys to the South Valley Children's Justice centre, so she did Charley was for going on five, so the most reliable witness. You know you can't put a lot of credit and the kids

children's sense of time at that age. Still, he said enough Charlie, said Mama had gone camping with them, but stayed in the place with a shiny rocks and pretty flowers to us that sounded a lot like the West Desert. So it's information. Is it that the information we need? That's gonna, get us what we want. No, but I take advantage of. I take it and I go. Back in Josh was making a move for the door when Ellis reappeared. Well has just spoken this is for the sum of detectives

and you going to have to wait here with us, and I got to go anywhere one of our detectives, children and your children- are telling our detectives that tell mom went with you guys last night and it shouldn't come back? not all of us. Mission, why Sir you all learn your talker, you change your mind. Talker Take a severe say test can do those things. they know that she didn't come with us I was admitted to me that he had and dangerous territory here I told him.

Gonna leave and maybe violated as rights for ten seconds, but is frustrating. I'd never career experienced in individual like that four Josh was literally and figuratively in a corner under the withering stairs of two detectives who objects. We believed he was responsible for his wife's disappearance. Suddenly Every assurance he had received that he could leave whenever he wanted evaporated fiscal back. Okay, so what I want to do is I'm going to have some questions cuz, you can't leave you the way, but what I want you to be aware of his. Do you have rights okay

the best interest to listen to this. What else could it be? Ok, but I do want the lawyer because at this point I definitely want a lawyer for words. Where do I get in fact Ellis took Josh's phone, and he and Detective Martell left the room. They were gone for three four minutes. During that time, John sat perfectly still his ankles crossed his head high, his fingers interlaced. He didn't cry, he didn't fidget Alice

and believe it. I dont think I was frustrated to the point that I bought the interview, I'm not the greatest attack of its out there by no means. However, I think I have a pretty good skill set and the ability to read individuals and get them to speak with me. Josh and his type, the only social pass her next

Sean. If Josh wasn't going to talk Ellis needed something else, there has to be some sort of physical evidence or forensic evidence. That's going to support whatever criminal charges short of that he had to let Josh walk. Ok. So before I call as our nature do I call it very you. Wanna talk I'll say. I'm already said Aren't you go along Congo? This point, okay. If you want to leave you, I don't like

keeping my phone or I'm going to keep your phone after nearly four hours, the interview listening to the recording. Now it's hard to understand why Ellis let Josh leave. I asked him to explain his thinking in that moment. All kind of circumstance right. You can't tie it to a specific crime. You can't say that Josh's responsible for disappearance based off of any of that, because we don't have any witnesses. We have no confession and nobody to use a chess analogy. He had put Josh in

check one move away from game over, but Josh kept moving his pieces just enough to stay out of czech mate. The police needed to trap Josh the rest of the major crimes. He had been at work drafting warrants, while Josh and Ellis we're. Talking gathers enough evidence, sir, that in suspicion rate reasonable suspicion that we can secure these just based off of lack of statements. His story, Susan. I haven't any criminal history, no no past of running. And abandon your family. So you get a lot of stuff like that. That can support the reasonable suspicion, but you don't have probably caused to put again to jail. Two detectives had also gone to Susan's work that afternoon, during both Josh, his interviews with police. He mentioned a code

Or of Susan's named Linda, the two detectives who went to well Spargo investments wanted to find Linda. But Linda Bagley wasn't there. It was her day off Tuesday. I had off, and my other coworker sent me a message saying: have you seen Susan atop decision? I said no she says, she's missing windows, mind raised. She thought about all of their conversations, all of Susan's frustration with her marriage and talk of divorce, How she said if something ever happens to me, make sure they look at Josh.

Linda New Susan, kept a set of secret personal files in her desk drawer, and I tell my to make sure she gave this information file folder to the place that wasn't there. I've seen it like a mature, though a week or two beforehand and own resources, and tell me about this folder and now and then and she despair, and so the detectives found the documents, including a journal. The type description of a trip Susan had taken with Josh and the boys to Simpson Springs. The prior May notes about where's attorneys and significant fights with Josh as well as cod, of emails in which she described extreme unhappiness with the state of her marriage, the detectives all check in with the Wells Fargo Security team. They confirmed Susan's badge. I ve been scanned since you left the building at the end of her shift the afternoon of Saturday December fifth, security cameras had record

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and no phone with which to call for a ride. Alice had assured him. He could have the van back that night once he finished. Surgeon and we wanted to stick around- I mean we want to sit around and get back in this minivan and we want to see where he goes right. Hopefully he returns to location wherever he disposed of her, but it was going to take some time. I didn't sign the warrants until about seven p M Ellis led the search of diminutive. First, he had a forensic experts stand the tailgate cargo area and front seats for blood. He found nothing. A cadaver dog also sniffed the minivan but didn't show any. Rest. The inside of the van looked very different than it had the night before all of the clutter was gone. The camping supply,

is the tools the generator and the rest had all been removed. Ellis found a camera, a flash drive and a white plastic trash bag sitting in the open. The garbage bag appeared to have come from the of the house. It held all the slimy refuge. One might expect banana appeal orange rinds and fast food wrappers of We're interest were a pancake, a breakfast pastry, a used paper plate and an empty container of orange juice concentrate now These were presumably from the lunch Josh had prepared on Sunday. Just before Susan started, the feeling drowsy so clearly Richard

we analyzed everything out of there. It was a theory that he poisoned or sedated Susan. You know whether if it was with prescription, medication or whatever, but we felt that he likely put something in her food, clean, cooked or some food. You know that Sunday, tests on the garbage would later come back negative for any drugs. Still. It seemed odd for jobs to have put the kitchen trash in the minivan bowls. Both of his garbage cans outside of the residents were empty, so he could have it withdrawn strong that garbage sack in the garbage cans at his residence, but he chose not to he chose put it in his ban. Any was going to dispose of it elsewhere. I don't think he expected us take custody of his Van Ellis them something else in the van to another trash bag. Behind the driver's seat in a floor, borders, storage space, and would you

open that there is another garbage sack in it contains several pieces of heavily burnt drywall. She rock when everyone a call and if you put it all together, you can see that those broken branchlets in several pieces. You see that he had sheet rock piled, so we had a few pieces on top and and- and He put some sort of an object on there and destroyed it was some heavy heat Alice, couldn't make any sense of the burned objects whatever it had been. It was beyond recognition he did have an acetylene torch in the garage. So, as very likely that you use that torch to destroy whatever item was, and this

was also in there as well. But it was just like a just a black hard, almost like a rock about the size of your palm, and you know, there's a couple of wires. While West Valley eventually sent the item to a special FBI lab. But tests were inconclusive, they showed it was mostly steel, which seem to rule out small electronics like a cell phone gps unit or hard drive to this day. Ellis can't say what that object was Meanwhile, at the house, a team of seven detectives paid special attention to the area where the two fans had been pointed in the living room. They wanted to know if Josh had used his rug doktor to clean blood from the counter carpet. Forensic specialists applied a product called Blue star on and around the couch.

Blue stark and help reveal the presence of blood by reacting with him a globe in the iron rich protein in blood that carries oxygen, threw out the body a series of small spots on the tiled floor between the couch in the front door. Star to glow clear indication, that's not something that was, obvious, we first entered the resident It wasn't. A significant amount of blood these spots were very small. Does blood is just trainee, like probably even smaller and of a ballpoint pen, and they just there like little droplets on the tiled, its adjacent to the carpet and the Couch Ellis told me it wasn't as if somebody had been shot or stabbed is how I interpret it when I saw it, I would describe but as If you were to lean over your laugh and calf or sneeze any had some sort of

blood in your nasal cavity are in your throat or mouth. That's what I would compare it to the forensic team swab the spots collecting samples to be used for dna analysis. It was later proved to be and blood. The blue star also revealed a small blood swipe mark on the upper headrest of the couch about where shoulder, would be when sitting down again It wasn't a lot of blood, but it did turn out to be Susan's. You know, that's our evidence, we have a heavily destroyed object that we can identify. We have a sackful of garbage that we can't find any clues as to why he would want to dispose of it elsewhere, other than his own garbage can, and we have some minor, tiny blood droplets in the front room and a blood swipe. A small blood swipe on the couch.

And that's it. They tried blue star on the circular, saw and plastic sled that had been in the minivan the night before neither reacted. Scooby do ones ie and most of the blankets that had been in the minivan on Monday night were sitting in a laundry basket in the master bedroom. They appeared to have been cleaned in the bedroom closet detectives found a letter to Susan from Josh's dad steed dear Susan, happy birthday, Sir, Yet some late little sack as a necklace. I thought would look nice with a cash while, if you don't like it, don't make a speech trip to return it, since it wasn't that expensive Susan had kept that necklace, but reluctantly in an email just shy of a month before she disappeared. She asked a coworker how she looked that day. This I'm am unsure of the wicked LA it to me. Also in the closet, the detective spidey, small notebook and Susan's handwriting. It contained

ninety six pages written in one sitting. It was the letter Susan had written to jobs about a year earlier, while praying for guidance about her marriage at a temple. It seemed damning from the very first I am not threatening divorce, but what you ask of needs too great to bear You must understand that my religion is a part of me. You can ask me to pick choose only certain parts of it to live and expect me to be happy detectives grab Susan's purse from the bedroom dresser They found her driver's license her cheque book. Her credit and debit cards very store cards and receipts. A temple recommend for the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints photos and a pocket calendar

There were several events marked on the calendar for days that very weak. They included a potluck dinner, a church, choir practice and a concert Susan had planned to attend, with Josh's sister Jennifer she'd, even made elaborate plans to overdressed for her works. Black tie Christmas Party on December tenth. It was supposed to be a big joke because she in a coworker had gotten into trouble for showing up in genes the year prior. She wrote this about it in anymore, so I'm wearing an old formal. This year its maroon velvet rose pattern on black, I'm trying to get a hold of a child's dress up, cramped and I'll. Do my hair and end up due to continue the overstatement dark, smoky eyes, any other big, shiny jewellery. I can get my hands on I'm way excited these were not the plans of a woman who intended to disappear

tat gives took the rug doctor in the bag from the Kirby vacuum Cleaner, both of which were still sitting in the master bedroom, from the living room. They took the entire couch. A white yarn. Blanket and they even cut up a big patch of the carpet in the laundry room they found eight clean, wash cloths, which the day before had been soggy sitting wet in the bathtub Roger they found some, but not all of us. Been in the many van on Monday night to blue tarps, one of the muddy, the shovel, the broom and the rake inexplicably. They left behind and much more, including the generator gas can sleds camping supplies and hand tools. They took five computers out of the house along with seven hard drives or thumb drives. Didn't realize it then, but Josh's digital devices we're going to become a key part of their investigation. Remember Ellis even

apt their second interview by taking Josh's cellphone I want you out of this case. Investigators hoped to pull information from the phones Sim Card, but Josh hid antithesis. Did the move, while sitting in the interrogation room, he had managed to surreptitiously swept the sim card out of the phone before Ellis could take it. Modern smartphones rely almost exclusively on internal storage or removable memory. Like SD cards, told information, older cellphones came with little onboard storage; instead, they often saved stuff, like text messages, call histories or cellular network tower information, on their sim cards

two thousand and nine gps functionality was just finding its way into smartphones budget funds. The one Josh owned didn't include GPS receivers, meaning they couldn't self locate, please could only determine cellphone locations if they knew which towers a particular device had contacted Josh understood all of them. By removing his sim card, he was trying to block the police from seeing where he'd been or whom he had called detect. Geraldine immediately sent a letter to T Mobile Josh's cellphone provider. Asking company to send over records as evidence of a possible crime that crime, according to the letter was, aggravated murder, the records did confirm Josh's.

When he had called his dad at about a quarter afternoon on Sunday. After that his handset went dark, it didn't connect to any tower tell just after three p m on Monday, when Giovanni, His son Alex called him it's interesting because it takes that phone call for one Ever- is I don't know if you accidentally answered it, maybe doesn't have Giovanni number I don't know why answer, but he answered it and dies less value. Think about that. Josh was in West Valley at three p m, just a few blocks north of home near the city's family, fitness and but he told Giovanni. He was down south just off the pony express trail after working with Giovanni and Learning police were waiting at the house. John turned around and left West Valley.

A half hour later. He dialed his voice mail and retreat his messages. Two minutes after that he called Susan's phone, the one that was right next to him in the vans centre console. We are on our way back I can't believe that migration, the day after day with a mandate that was really really dumb, hopefully upward. Ok, I'm accordingly call I'm picking up. Let me out I am therefore, though it ever know, we ran into every conceivable problem of a nightmare. Oh well familiar with some one asked about you

both of those outgoing calls, went through cell towers near point of the mountain. That's about twenty miles, south of West Valley City point of the mountain is back the direction jar said he had come after leaving the pony express trail. He had intentionally gun. Out of his way to backtrack. Before leaving that message on Susan's voicemail dwell us that's clear sign, Josh realized. He had made a mistake because he did but bread there right now, those those that voice now checking it. Making the phone calls should have been done when he ass through that area, but his phone was off the phone, so we can track and we can pay as phone we can sewers location was Josh's. Sister Jennifer believes he was trying to build. An alibi is attempting to pay the picture, but the pictures turn him out really badly. Ella said he believed

Javan, his son had unwittingly ruined Josh's plan next gesture of north past West Valley to SALT Lake City, the phone records show. He went to Susan's work where he left her. Another voicemail allow I'm out here, though, you were enshrined. In neither police interviewed the Josh describe his movements. Quite that way, the cell tower records proved Josh line, When you look at those facts, new in you see, is movements and is actions in its behaviour. He had it. Ended up plan and we foiled and because of his personality. He can deviate too far off of his plan right

so she follow through with it because he has no option. No other options. It as planned a plan b c. Unfortunately, Ellis had no way of knowing any of this. On the night of December aid, Josh just kept waiting in the lobby of the West Valley Police Station, as the detectives performed their searches a couple of patrol, officers gave him a lift across the street to the valley, Fair mall, so he could buy some dinner. Then they drove him back. Jennifer waited as well but he was gonna come back their night after the interview and he had with that with the police and his morning, and scientists continued to expect phone call, letting us know that he was coming, urges TIM showing up on sales dreading it

I really didn't want him to come back and take the boys. Are one of the boys stay here with us and felt like that? Was the safest place for them. Birds, tyres, drug on and It was kind of a nightmare of an evening. Josh didn't have a cell phone anymore, but there the phone in the lobby of the police station he didn't use it policed reassured him saying- they'd release his minivan soon, just wait a little bit longer. The judge had given police permission to hide GPS tracking Beacon on the minivan, which they did Ellis, had set a trap, he was hoping, Josh would fall for it and in a panic, led him right to Susan, fortunately, wouldn't get that opportunity. Again he doesn't cooperate.

I wish you never did Ellis walked into the lobby with Josh's keys at about nine hundred and forty p dot m, I go to release the vehicle and he's gone and Nicole, don't know where he left and went to. We didn't say anything you just up and left it missed Josh. By only about ten minutes, no one could say where Josh is gone, He was, as they say in the wind. The next episode. Of course, he assessment no use, not assessment is a person. We have many people, we are interested in. If you haven't already, please subscribe to cold toss us awaiting rating or a review you can find cold on Facebook, Instagram and twitter at be called podcast for video clips pictures from the case and more kit up be called podcast dot com, also

Susan story sounds familiar in your own life. In other words, if or someone you know is experiencing domestic abuse in any form. Please get immediate help in the: U S: support as a phone call away at the national domestic violence. Huh, wine at one, eight hundred, seven hundred and ninety nine seven thousand two hundred and thirty three or online at w, W W Dot the hotline dot. Org. A quick thank you to my team. Kristen Sorenson, Eric Open Shaw can fall. Daniel Prager, Adam Mason, Gillian Friedmann, and especially Cheryl hoarsely for all of their help. With this project, the music for cold was composed by Michael Bond Miller, except for the guitar stuff. That was me. Cold is a k, a cell podcast. Thank you for listening.