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MISSING: Lauren Spierer

2019-09-30

In the early morning hours of June 3, 2011, Lauren Spierer went out and celebrated the end of a semester by partying with friends. It should have been like so many weekends before. But on this morning Lauren would leave the company of her friends and walk off alone in the direction of her apartment, never to be seen again.

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High crime, junkies, I'm your host Ashley flowers and I'm am bread and bread. Do you know what this week is? Is this our hundred? It is, are 100th episode. Yes, I mean, we've done a lot of future ends. Stuff with is our official one hundred regular wide release crime junkie episode? Can you even believe that we're here and if can't it at the same time feels like it was yesterday: Anna million, oh yeah, I've been doing this for my whole life. So when I was thinking about what case to do this week, I figured that to mark this momentous episode we needed to cover a special case, a case that has been our number one most requested since we started almost two years ago, a case that's close to home and infamous among hoosiers. This episode is about the death
appearance of Lauren Spierer is June. Third, two thousand eleven would have been just a little different in any number of ways. I think it's very likely we wouldn't be telling you this story. Day. I think Lauren Spierer would be a name only known to her friends and family. She probably would have graduated with a degree in
fashion? For my you move to a bigger city, maybe even back to New York's, be close to family, where she's from and she would have gone on to be a creative, talented, young woman who maybe got an apartment of her own in the city and then got engaged and married Lauren would have been about twenty nine today and maybe even considering having kids, but that day on June third happened, just as it did in the exact order that it did, allowing for Lawrence fate to be interrupted and her family's futures to be a rather could be altered that night really was like so many other nights that I'm sure Lauren and her friends had had before night. I know I had when I was in college this semester,
here: at Indiana, university in Bloomington had just ended for the twenty year old New York native Lauren. She, like many of her college classmates and friends, were ready to just like let loose before rolling into summer Break Lawrence friend Jay, who she'd known since her days of summer camp and who also went to I you had a friend staying over from out of town, so he had a handful of people over to hang out and pre game before going out to the bars and just to put this in perspective like how young all of these, like actual kids, all are there pre gaming before going out to the bars that started at one thousand? Two hundred and thirty am DOT M I know the thirty year old in me hurts just saying that out loud like if something doesn't csr, my body aches yeah like if something doesn't start by seven pm. Now I just don't yeah it's it's done, but I was fun once I get it so over
down. One thousand two hundred and thirty Lauren leaves her place at Smallwood Apartments, accompanied by one of her friends named David and together. The two walked to Jays House, which wasn't far at all. He lived in a town home, just a few streets away, no Lauren had a long term boyfriend named Jesse who had come to iu from New York with her, but he wasn't with her on this night. He was going to spend the night at his place, staying in watching basket and he knew worn was going to be going out with some friends. So I don't think they were in constant contact, but he did expect to hear from her at at least some point in the evening or early morning, hours or at least the next day, but text, and because
calls in the morning and afternoon of June third we're going on answered until Jesse. Finally, here's back, but even though the response came from Laurens Phone, the reply you didn't actually come from Warren. It was from someone who worked at a bar called Kill Roy's. Now this is a local place, that college kids know well and frequent often, and this person who responded to Jesse, told him that he had found the phone in the bar and it must have been left by some the night before this is concerning to Jesse and like any boy from probably would be. He wanted to make sure that Lauren was okay, so he contacts her roommate. Now her really hasn't seen more all night or that morning. But, according to Indianapolis monthly, she agrees to meet up with Jesse to give him a key to their shared apartment so that he can go see if she's home, like his hope, is. Maybe she had a rough night he's going to find her there sleeping at all, but when Jesse enters the apartment he quickly finds that Lauren is nowhere to be found,
everything about. This is wrong. No one knows where Lauren is and she doesn't have her phone and Jesse as well as Lawrence Roommate, begin to fear the worst so around. Four hundred and thirty p dot M Jesse reports Lauren as a missing person to the Bloomington Police Department. Once the police are notified, Lawrence friends realize that they to tell her family at least one of them knew Lawrence Sisters number. So they call her to let her know what's going on and ask her to please tell Lawrence Para no right away, Robert and Charlene Spear. No, this isn't right. They try calling Jessie but he's already at the police station, and he can't really give them any more usable information. Then he's already told the police, since he wasn't with her that night. So then they decide to try calling hospitals to see if maybe she was taken in somewhere the night before, but they have no luck
so they waste no time and book flights from their home in New York to Indiana. So they can find their daughter in the first few days that her parents are there police, don't have much to tell them they're working hard to trying to piece together, Lauren's last movements the night before using you know what evidence they can find: surveillance, video and statements from the people who were with or who saw her. But it's a whole really messy. The people who were with her were extremely intoxicated and it's hard to develop a really clear picture of what happened, whether that's because people don't remember or because they don't want to tell what they remember so. Police start at the beginning tracking warns movements from the time that she left her small would apartment Lauren and her friend, David,
left her apartment around one thousand two hundred and thirty in the morning, and they get to jays for his little like party, get together a pregame whatever you want to call it police find video footage from early in the evening of Lauren walking in the hallway of her apartment complex. Now it's never been expressly said what time this image was captured, but I say that it's likely early in the evening, maybe exactly right as she was leaving, because Lauren seems super coherent. She seems happy she's carrying all of her possessions and this in of Lauren, which brick I'm sure you've seen but I'll send it to you. Anyways is probably the most publicized picture of Lawrence Beer yeah, I'm very familiar with this picture. She looks so normal she's wearing black leggings and it's like white flowy top, and you can tell she's kind of like captured in motion while she's walking by like just kind of running her fingers through her hair. It's like it's like
nobody else, wherein we were that age yeah going out. You know yeah, and I think what you had on is that you can tell from the picture that Lauren was in motion and that's because, like I said this was actually video surveillance, and this is just a still image that the police decided to release and here's what's kind of strange to this day. It is the only image that the police would release that Warren is and- and I don't think they would have even released this if they didn't need something to give the people that were searching for her, because in the first few days, people looking for Lauren got this pick
and they got out quickly in large groups of students and Bloomington Citizens'. They were all mobilizing to search for Lauren and they used this picture as their guide. Looking in the streets and alleys, even in woods and rivers for those black pants and white blouse, her parents were out every single day, hoping that that was the day they were going to find. Their daughter was her boyfriend out there too, like looking for her well according to an interview Lawrence Dad did with twenty twenty Jessie helped look for her on Saturday and Sunday, but after that, his parents came to Bloomington and kind of retrieved him and took him home back to New York, which made Lawrence family kind of uncomfortable yeah. I mean you said it had been together for a long time right, yeah yeah like since, like the high school at least right
I kind of would have expected him to be like pretty invested in staying there and helping to look for her like even if his parents had come there like. Wouldn't they have known more and and band like worried about her. So I mean I, I would think so, and I think this is why it kind of rubs a lot of people the wrong way- and I don't know what the reason was for him leaving or why it had to be right. Then, so we can't really speculate too much. But around this time, police were put together more of the pieces around the night that she went missing and the events leading up to her disappearance and this put a dark cloud over everyone that she was with that night. So please know that Lauren was leaving her place at one thousand two hundred and thirty, and she was going to Jays townhouse. They find out that there are at least two other people there and I'm not sure if they were the only
Other people there, but there are only two names that continue to come up in all the reporting that I see and of those two one of the guys is named Corey and the other guys name is MIKE Corey and MIKE were roommates and lived in the same town home complex as J, though to be clear, they didn't actually live in Jay's place. Their doors are about thirty feet, apart or so from one another. Okay now like I mentioned, Lauren had known J for many years. He was from back home in New York just like Lauren, and they had gone to summer camp together, along with her boyfriend Jesse but CORE Brianne and MIKE were relatively new acquaintances to Lauren. According to Indianapolis Monthly Lawrence parents said that she had actually just met Corey within like the last week, while they were attending the Indy five hundred here in Indianapolis. So
during this, like pregame party, everyone's drinking and according to court reports, Lauren was already visibly intoxicated. While she was there now she's a petite girl like under five feet, less in a hundred pounds. So I can imagine that it would take a lot of alcohol for her to begin to feel the effects of it, but that night was still young and if you've, ever free games. You know that staying in is not the end goal so around. One hundred and thirty or so Lauren leaves Jays to go out to the local bar. Now, none of the reports I read on this are consistent or incredibly clear on who left, but most of them make it seem like it wasn't the entire group who left just Lauren and Cory, and I really get that sense from the court reports that I so we go off of those Corey told his roommate that he wanted to get a few more drinks and am really like let loose. He was going to feel good and the to leave to there and go to that local bar called Kilroys Rice now,
and kill Reyes is in a college town. Everything is within walking distance, so it's not like they were driving. I had to take an uber, they walked there and this was like the spot, at least at the time for students I mean she had to have had a fake id to get in right. I think so here's the thing. I'm a couple of places online said that Kilroys at the time was in eighteen and over and you just had to be twenty one to buy drinks, but I talked to some of my friends who actually went to iu you and graduated in two thousand eleven, so they would have been there around time and they remember the entire thing being twenty one and over so again. No, I yeah. I don't think that really matters in the grand scheme of things. What we do know is that she did get in and when she was in there her and Cory kept the party going like he kept buying her drinks and there's this scene
the spot out back where Lauren like kicks off her shoes and they down a couple of drinks pretty quickly before deciding to leave. I feel like that. Lauren is really comfortable with Cory. Having just met him like in the past, we you're so right. You know, I kind of think it's totally normal, like being twenty in college. Even me, like Miss paranoid crying, he I was overly trusting of new people, especially if I was intoxicated and especially if they knew when I did like something about them. Having a connection to people who you know and trust like so right, like the mutual connection like if so, and so things there safe than there safe yeah, I mean she met him through someone that she'd known for years, so she probably felt like a Jane, knew him. He was a decent guy and again, I cannot stress enough how much young people think nothing bad will ever happen to them and why we talk about personal safety until we're like blue in the face on this show. Just because you met someone once or they know the people that you
does not mean you know them, and it does not mean you shouldn't trust them with your safety, but it happens all the time and sure, most of the time nothing bad happens, but it only takes that one time so yeah she's intoxicated she's comfortable with Corey. And after they've been at kill for about thirty minutes or so Lauren leaves Kilroys with Corey. Now, at this point point about two hundred and thirty in the morning and to show you how intoxicated she This is the point where Lauren left her phone behind remember with someone else calls her boyfriend or text her boyfriend later that next day and along with her phone, she also left her shoes there. So barefoot and stump link Lauren walks with Corey back to her apartment, the to make it inside and
take the elevator to the fifth floor where Lawrence Apartment is located, and here is where I think things get really strange- the to get off on the fifth floor, so close to Lawrence Apartment and there they run into a group of guys and there's some kind of altercation where Corey gets punched in the face. Sweet. So he gets punched in the face with these guys, people that Cory or Lauren New or were they just strangers. So I think two reports from Macomb Daily and heavy dot com that one of the guys in the group with someone who is familiar with Lauren, but the police have never publicly named anyone in this group or the man who, like specifically punched court, so I'm not a hundred percent sure do we have any sort of video footage of this. I mean we saw her leave her apartment
Oh, so I'm not saying the police, don't know, I'm almost positive, that they have footage of it, but they've never released it to the public. They've, never even shown it to. Family and again they're, not making any public statements about it. Only the police have seen and only they know the details. So whatever transpired for what ever? for reason, Lauren and Corey decide to leave her complex. Aren't they like right outside her door? Why don't they just go in again? No one knows- and this is why I think this is like the part where this case gets super strange, and you know I talked to the beginning like if one thing would have gone differently like if they would have just gone inside, Would we be talking about this today? Right, I don't know why they were even going to Lawrence Place in the first place. Clearly they had some kind of reason for going get something about this altercation changes their course so still bear
Lauren and Cory descend in the elevator and exit her apartment complex at two hundred and forty two, a dot m based on more surveillance, footage that is discovered by police they're able to deter, that after leaving Lauren's apartment complex, the pair were headed back to Corey's town home, but the exact order of of eh It's are a little fuzzy for me to put together. So you think, all these years later, we have a really solid idea of what happened, but because police have released so little were left the kind of piece everything together and there was some contradiction and here are kind of a contradiction them talking about doing two thousand and sixteen ABC reported that Lauren is captured on video falling twice and from we learn later in the story. These aren't like a little ankle, giving away stumbles. These are like hard face. First falls into the cement and her react so delay that she isn't even able to catch Herself- oh my god, now of
actually when it becomes clear that Lauren isn't able to walk according to e e c quarry like fire me and throws her over his shoulder and carried her the rest of the way to his place. Now again, that's what ABC said in two thousand sixteen, but back in May of two thousand and twelve just about a year out from Lawrence disappearance, Indianapolis Monthly says something completely different. They also reference video footage, but they say that she's captured on video with someone and then move later around two hundred and fifty one am m. She's captured, walking out of an alley that is close to her apartment and then she walks into an empty lot that would have been close to Cory's townhome complex. I guess it. I remember both of these accounts coming out and even as you're telling them to me again like I have no
deal which one is real and which one isn't right, and you know again, as I've been following this story over years. I vividly remember hearing both and the assumption I had was just that more information was coming out the more I dig into this, the more I'm finding that none of this has been confirmed by police. Somehow these are these stories that are kind of getting perpetual and, from my understanding, no one's seen the video footage. So I don't know how either place is making that claim. I tend to believe the India Apple is monthly thing back in two thousand twelve because they had a statement from the police like kind of thing. None of that happened, it's very, very bizarre, yeah and basically because nothing has been officially confirmed. These both could be the rumors right so that yeah they both could be rumors. They both could be a little bit true. Now there was something I read in Indianapolis Monthly, that may kind of indicate where this like over the shoulder thing came from so apparently there was a witness who came forward and said that a row
three hundred and thirty eight in the morning they saw someone matching Lawrence description get tossed over a man's shoulder. Now the timeline doesn't quite fit with what we're talking about and there isn't video surveillance again that we've seen so. Obviously, this story can kind of get like told over and over again in many mainstream media outlets and taken his fact at some point, but again, Indianapolis Monthly said that police spokesman said there was no video to confirm this. So I don't know if something changed between two thousand and twelve and two thousand and sixteen or something is being misreported. But again these videos have never been released. So there's nothing that we can verify. Ok. So if Corey like fireman carried Lauren after she was falling yeah like if we're to believe this eyewitness right
sounds like he's at least a little more with it than she was like. She at least knew what was going on. He was cognizant what me so here's the thing, maybe not, because quarry is about to fall out of the picture completely. So, however, they got to Cory's place whether she was carried or she walked when they get there. Cory actually ends up, throwing up on the concrete steps outside of his apartment. Maybe part of that is alcohol, but it also could be partly due to the blow that he received the face just moments before when they were at Lawrence Apartment. His roommate MIKE is home at this point, and he sees the two are like in bad shape. So MIKE says that he puts quarry in
to bed and then tries to get Lauren to just like chill out, but she says she wants to keep going, keep drinking. She wants to like hang out, but MIKE isn't having it. He doesn't really want to babysit drunk Lauren. I mean again, he doesn't even really know this girl. Well, so he decides to take her over to Jay's house J has no for a long time. Maybe he can take care of her so MIKE Escorts, Lauren, the thirty or so feet to Jay's door and passes Lauren off to him and at first glance she had to be a shocking sight. She has no shoes, no phone, no purse and, according to USA today
she had bruises on her face, which were likely from the fall that she took earlier in the night J takes her in and he has kind of a similar story that MIKE does Lauren wants to keep partying. She tries to get Jay to have a drink with her, but Jay says that listen. I don't want to it's like past four o'clock in the morning at this point, so he tries to convince Lauren just crash on his couch sleep it off, but she won't relent now at this point she kind of realizes that she doesn't have her own phone anymore. So she ask Jay to use his and she makes a couple of calls at four hundred and fifteen in the morning which all go unanswered. The exact exchange after those call is between J and Lauren may never be known to us in the public and honestly, we don't even know how drunk Jay was or how well, he even recalls those early morning, hours of June third, but whatever was said, whatever was DIS
di did Lauren walked out of Jays town home at four hundred and thirty in the morning without shoes, without a phone without any of her possessions that she started the night, and alone and drunk J watches her go down the sidewalk and turn onto a street that should have let her back to her apartment, but Lauren never made it back and over eight years later she has never been seen again. Police and Lawrence family naturally had a lot of questions for those boys that she was with that night, but most of the boys came from fan these who were well off and families that understood the importance of a lawyer early on in investigations. Yeah I mean always get a lawyer is obviously one of our life roles, but I'm sure this did not go over well with for his family, like all they're concerned about, is finding her and they just want to talk to anybody who was with her
or was last talk to her right now. Jeez lawyer said that he's given statements to the police as well as consented to searches and poly grass, and at one point they say he even had a face to face with Lawrence parents and Jesse Lauren's boyfriend had the same face to face with them, but the guy, who spent the most time with Warren that night Corey he hasn't been as forthcoming and according to ABC he's the only the friend who won't cooperate, I mean, but do we need him to, though, like I don't really hear anyone questioning MIKE and if you believe what MIKE said Cory and passed out while Warren was still alive? That's true! But again, if you were in the parent shoes, I think they're just like. If that's, what really happened, why can't we talk a Yeah we'll Cory's lawyer made a public statement in the early days of the investigation that he had almost no memory of the night. Due to that punch. He took in the face but
years later, Corey contradicted that and was telling people like. I never said that. That's what my lawyer says, which to me implies that he does have some kind of memory that night, but just isn't willing to talk about it either because he doesn't want share it or he doesn't like how he's been treated by the family or the public. So police and family obviously want to hear more from the boys, but navigating the lawyers can be a slow process. In the meantime, police have to consider all possibilities, and one of those possibilities is that Lauren could have ran into someone else after she left Jay's place that morning, early on in the investigation, along with that still picture of Lauren walking in her apartment complex. One of the only other images released in this case was that of a white truck. That police said was circling the area near where Lauren was last seen on June third police,
getting a lot of tips coming in about this truck, but one in particular stood out to them. A woman called in and said that her ex had just been released from prison shortly before Lauren went missing.
And he allegedly made threats to her, stating that he was involved in whatever happened to Lauren and if she made trouble for him. What happened to Lauren could also happen to her when police look into this guy. It wasn't a bad leave because he lived just about ten minutes away and according to lifedaily dot com, he was driving a white truck at the time, but after some investigating police end of ruling him out and eventually ruled out the white truck all together, saying that it likely has no involvement in Lawrence disappearance. After almost two months of looking for Lauren, the search took a darker turn. When police tell the family that they're going to be searching, the landfill were all of the trash from Bloomington is empty. Lawrence dad told ABC that that was one of the hardest things he's ever had to do to just stand by and watch them search for his.
Little girl in piles of garbage, and I don't know what directed police's attention to the landfill if it was a tip or just like the next place on their list. But after nine hundred and twelve for days, the Herald Times says that searching the forty one hundred tons of trash turned up nothing by two thousand and twelve Lawrence parents were final admitting publicly something they never wanted to say out loud. They didn't think they were going to find Warren alive. Her dad was quoted in USA today, saying quote: it's very frustrating to be talking about the exact same things we were talking about in the first thirty days after her disappearance, and he exaggerating almost a year later, and they were no closer to finding Lauren or having any real lead and the family was pretty much kept on the outside of the investigation almost as much as the public. They said that the police work sharing with them any part of their and
ignition or their findings, and the family eventually got tired of wondering what was going on. So they decided to hire their own private investigators from New York to look into Lawrence case. The private investigator look at every avenue, but kept coming back to the same conclusion. The family had the people who were with Lauren must know more than they're saying, but they aren't talking and we call Lauren, there's no physical evidence of anything having happened. Okay, but like what's the theory then like what would any of their motives so to be clear, any anytime. I read about a theory involving the guys that she was with that night. It's not that they murdered her. The theory most
Have and a theory that has been totally unsubstantiated is that there was some kind of accident that night maybe more and hit her head too hard when she fell. Maybe she overdosed, or maybe there was some kind of other accident. You see. We know for sure that Lauren was drinking that night, but there are allegations of other types of drug use when police search warrants room after she disappeared. They found a small amount of cocaine in her room, and people say that she used other kinds of drugs. The night that she went missing as well, and I think people get really caught up in her alleged drug use and while I think it's important to the story and to finding her, I will make a clear distinction that whether or not she use drugs doesn't define how worthy or unworthy she is to be found, and for a long time it was used as like an attack on her character, but she was young and in a place where this kind of x parenting, no matter how ill advised was kind of commonplace. The reason I think it's important, though,
to mention the possible drug use is because of the accusations that she was mixing multiple kinds of drugs with alcohol, that very night. More than that, though, it's known that Lauren had something called long QT syndrome, which is a rare heart condition that made it even more dangerous for her to experiment with drugs and alcohol, and I talked to a nurse at Mayo Clinic who spent most of her we're in the e and now works in the cardiac Cath lab, and you know after her. First it just like mixing the different kinds of. That I've heard about in this case could cause an overdose and she says absolutely and then, when I asked her of long QT syndrome, could compound these attacks and the greater the chances of someone dying. She says yes, like it absolutely could
So what many people wonder is if Lauren had too much to drink or tried some kind of drug and because of what she mixed were that in combination with her heart condition could have killed her and if so, who was she with when it happened? And where is she now yeah right because like if she did die axe and only she should have been found? You would think right right and even more than that, like? You would hope that if something happened to her while she was around other people, they would have liked called for help right, and I think it's this theory that keeps bringing the family and their pi back to those people that she was with that night and it feeling more and more like us versus them to the Spirit family that the spear family burst. I mean really everyone else, the people she was with the police because they knew they wanted answers from the guy she was with, but they didn't believe that she had abused drugs, and that was the problem
they were saying like no, she didn't how dare you say any of that and they felt like these accusations were just kind of like everyone deflecting that feeling that no one wanted to help them and that everyone was kind bashing, Lauren only intensified in two thousand and thirteen when the family of Lawrence boyfriend made a shocking statement. This episode is made possible by simply safe. Did you know that on average a burglary happens once every twenty three seconds in the US every twenty three seconds. That's terrifying, but ignorance is not bliss, and now that you know this, what are you doing to protect yourself in your home? Simplisafe protects every door window and room with twenty four slash: seven professional monitoring and you don't have to sign any kind of contract, and this sounds great because, like I've always done it, so I wanted to find out like what the other company
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At the time and to tell you the truth, it doesn't really feel much better when I read it all these years later, yeah- and I mean not only- is it nasty but it doesn't make any sense if we're going to go with the theory that something happened to Lauren as a result of drug use, I mean to go back to what you said earlier. We should have found her. You can't yeah, you can't. De and hide your own body. No, you can't clearly someone's somewhere had a hand in what happened to Lauren, so to put the blame total on her heels, incredibly irresponsible and unusually cruel yeah. So
There was a lot of back and forth with the families around this time. The spear said that Lauren didn't abuse. Drugs, Jesse's family said that Warren had been like kicked out of summer. Camp for bringing drugs in newspapers talked about a prior arrest. She had before going missing for underage drinking at iu and it became kind of this character attack on a girl who wasn't around to defend or explain her choices. So again, I don't want to make this about that. I think every one of us has made dumb choices. I'll be the first to admit that when I was in my early twenties, I had nights where I drank too much stayed out too late and thought I was invincible
Lauren didn't go missing. Because of that, I cannot reiterate that enough, whether accident or foul play someone took her from her family as years past. There have been tips that have come in some more publicized than others like in two thousand, and sixteen with the FBI raided a house about thirty minutes away from Bloomington. The raid was said to have been in connection with Lawrence case and though cadaver dogs were brought in and dirt with sifted and a white truck was even towed away. Nothing seemed to come from this whole frenzy. Then this other time a man in prison once came forward and said that his cellmate told him Lauren, Od'D and the guy she was with dump her body in the Ohio River, but no credible, trace of Lauren was found and there wasn't more or enough information to prove that. That's actually what happened, but that theory and that tip continue to fuel Lawrence Para
and eventually, when the police wouldn't file any criminal charges. The spirits filed civil suits against some of the men claiming that they had an obligation to care for her. That night now had he's gone forward. We might have access to a lot more evidence and the families that he would have been able to like have subpoena power over cell phone records and, like other, pertinent information in this case, but a judge threw out the case is basically saying it would set bad legal precedent like yes, the boys were with her. We know they were with her when she was clearly impaired, but that didn't mean that it was their responsibility for making sure she stayed alive. I knew, but isn't it so? No, not legally. The judge said that she feared if she let this go forward. It would ward off future good Samaritans, like
you saw someone stumbling and inebriated and you just like try to help them to where they're going so they don't fall or fall into the street. Are you been responsible for them the rest of the night into the morning like how long? Where does it end? It's kind of like this tricky ruling, but, like I said it got thrown out in the am so it never went anywhere. We never got any more information. Okay, so I know the odds are super unlikely that Lauren got picked up by a stranger in that, like very, very short, walk between Jays plays and hers, but it's going to be considered a possibility right. It's definitely considered a possibility, and there are a lot of people who believe this theory more than anything else and there's a familiar name that comes up when people talk about this theory whose Israel keys, I'm now it wasn't a theory. I knew a ton about until we did our episode on keys back in the day. Eighty
see made this basically like excel spreadsheet, of all of his known travel and when we did our episode on keys, we posted it on our website and I actually got flooded with emails and messages from people after that Israel Keyes episode, because obviously our listeners are versed in Lawrence case and we're all like wtf, please tell me: you saw his travel back in twenty eleven wait. Was he in Indiana not only was he in Indiana in two thousand eleven he was in Indiana on the day, Lauren went missing now. All I can tell from this spreadsheet that we have is that on June, third were multiple transactions on the Indiana toll road. Now it might mean nothing. He flew to Illinois and rented a car on. The second then had a clear path, making his way
Vermont, where we know he was on the eighth, but is it possible that he drove through a college town on his way, like there's, really not much information to account for his time between the third and eight and even the stuff that we have on the third like it shows that he was like passed through multiple toll booths, Indiana, which we know is northern Indiana. But I don't know what time that was like. Is he up there? You know the early morning hours the same time that Lauren is down in Bloomington going missing, or is he there on the third like in the evening when you would have had plenty of time to go to Bloomington and then drive back up to Northern Indiana to it's totally possible and plausible, but just as scary to me, or maybe even more so is the idea of another Israel keys that is still unknown to us. Like we talked about this before, he can't be the only one, there's a no
stranger to Lauren, whose name gets brought up a lot in this case and that's Daniel Messel in twenty eighteen he to the murder of another young Iu student named Hannah Wilson, like Lauren, she had gone. Sing after a night out with friends under some very bizarre circumstances. However, her He was found the next day and evidence at the scene led investigators right to her killer yeah. I don't when this happened and it immediately got connected to Lawrence case. I think that's an understatement. Like
every time I've heard about this case, people bring up Hannah and listen. Yes, the similarities are striking. Messel had a history of harassing and assaulting women around two thousand twelve. It could have started well before in two thousand eleven, and if you ask the prosecutor, who got Nestle convicted, he said that he's convinced he had something to do with warns disappearance too, but he's never worked on mornings case the people who have worked on her case or making that connection, or at least not publicly. Whenever I hear from Bloomington P D, who had Lawrence case or the state PD who had Hannah's case, they all say no, no connection here like I get, I get they look the same, but we're not calling at home. Now I'll tell you something I found that she feels like a fluke. It feels like a one off. I had not heard this until I really started digging into the research of this case.
But I think it fits into the idea that possibly something happened to Lauren after she left Jay's when she was alone or not again I'll. Let you decide so when I was going through the timeline that Indianapolis monthly had posted so many years ago. There is this report that at four Thirty five in the morning a homeless man had heard a woman scream, and it was in the area where Lauren was last seen. So what Indianapolis monthly seem to like say about this screen was that according to what they found and what was reported in the Herald Times, it was speculated that the man who heard the scream was a well known homeless. Man in Bloomington named Franklin Road, Dogg, Crawford
now from everything I can find. I can't tell if this guy was really look into. I can't tell if this screen was ever substantiated, but the The Indianapolis monthly may know of something really interesting. They said that Franklin, Road Dogg Crawford died just a few days after Lauren disappeared, which I found super into sting yeah, and you know I get. I know he was kind of transient like he. He stayed in Bloomington but as far as we know he was homeless like so I don't know. Maybe his health was in good. Maybe he died of natural causes or some kind of health related, issue, so I tried to like, dig and dig and find out what he had died from just a couple of days later and I couldn't find an obituary. But what I did find was really interesting. So there is this
place called Crawford apartments which is open in Bloomington Indiana, and it looks like subsidized housing essentially, and it was actually named after this man, Frank, Crawford and there's one blurb as they talk about how it was named after him, and it would have been this place that you know he would have been perfectly eligible for like it would have been for him and here's a quote from their page. It says, quote free, suffered from many ailments and would have been an ideal tenant for this apartment complex. It was only discovered that Frank had passed away when a neighbor found his body in a dumpster. He had literally been thrown away. End quote so he wasn't just like found on like a sidewalk or the street corner pass the way he was in a dumpster. He was in a dumpster which again I don't know the cause of death, but it doesn't feel like somewhere. Most people would go. Maybe
he did. I don't know. It's just super weird to me that this hi, who may have been a witness to something, goes missing days later and is found in a dumpster yeah, be a red herring could be a total red herring, but it's I thought it was something worth mentioning because I found it so interesting when I was researching the case. Okay, so the police aren't connecting Lawrence cased to Hannah they saying that the boys are for sure involved. I mean where do we go from here? We don't know the police aren't saying anything like. I said: they're really tight, lipped about the whole thing, even with the family, not sharing anything that they have. I guess I just think it's super weird and suspicious. I guess that they haven't released any of the other video footage, especially if they have it. You know I kind of do too and like when ABC did their reporting. They interviewed other law enforcement officers who were like yeah. We release as much as we can to basically like trying job
anyone's memory and just give the public as much to work with as possible. But do you know this reminds me of it kind of reminds me of the Maura Murray case. Remember there was that atm footage that for years the police wouldn't release and everyone went nuts speculating like what was on the tapes, what the tapes yeah then they finally got released, and there was nothing, that was useful or like nothing that even change the narrative at all, and that could very well be the case here, but we may never know. Okay. So do you have a theory? I mean we don't really like, usually give our opinions on on the show like what we think happened, but honestly I don't even know that I have when I'm not convinced enough of any one of these theories, to say that I know what happened for sure. But what I will say is that,
someone who is local to the area. I've been hearing rumors for years and there's one specific rumor that I hear over and over, and over again from people who went to iu or new people that did- and I talked to a couple of them before meeting this episode and they were willing to like tell me the story again, but they all wanted to remain anonymous and listen again. I cannot stress this enough. This is a local rumor. Nothing has been substantiated and a story- that's probably gotten past from student to student over eight years. Okay. So what is that this story? That's told, is that there was some kind of accident that night, no one said exactly who she was with when it happens where it happened, but something happened and lauren- died in a panic, whoever she was with at the time whether she knew them or not, decided to get rid of her and they put her body
somewhere in the construction site of a new complex being built in Bloomington called station eleven, and I looked up this station eleven when I had these talks with them. You know right before the show, and it does say that it was built in two thousand eleven, but it doesn't say when or like what parts of the building we're done went. So I don't know if what people are alleging is even physically possible or if just the fact that there was construction is what started all of these rumors. But I'll tell you why I can't get it out of my head. Do you remember the era Grinstead case? Of course I do so. The podcast up and vanished covered it extensively in their first season and there were lots of rumors around town. In that case about what happened to Terra, the same story about the same thing popping up over and over and over again, and it was like common knowledge in the town, but right is never really acted on right, 'cause, everyone just assumed
It was rumored like sure the police had looked into it like. If we know it, surely police have to know where I like people have to just be talking, but sure enough. Over a decade later, it turned out that the whispers among the locals held a bit of truth in them. And I wonder if there is some truth to our local whispers. If you read about this case, you'll see all the theories online, but her family keeps coming back to the same result. They want more information from the people who were with her. That night and they believe that those people should have taken better care of her. You know, no matter what happened to Lauren, I think there's an important message of personal safety and her story Her mom said that in the early days after Lauren went missing her and her husband drove around the area. Lauren was last seen in like the wee hours of the morning to get a sense of what it was like that night that Lorne vanished and she said that right there walking mister.
She saw a young girl, drunk alone barefoot, just like Lauren had been right after Lauren had gone sing, and I mean everyone knew about it. We all think that this won't happen to us, but we have to be aware of our surroundings. Lauren didn't cause this on herself. Someone evil is responsible for taking her from her family, but I think there are steps and measures we can all take to not give someone evil the opportunity and there's. Actually, this wonderful organization called Rachel's first week it was founded by doctor and beefy gay, whose daughter Rachel died after attending a college party, her very first week of school. At the very same university Lauren attended, basically after a party Rachel had only down some stairs like knocked her head and a first like one thought anything was wrong with her. They kind of just laid her down, and it wasn't until the next morning,
they realized. Something was really wrong and Emts were called she's taken to the hospital, but she later passed away in the icu. So her mom founded and uses this organization to reach high school. Seniors and those entering college in order to quote developed the decision making skills of teens as they enter this time of monumental change in their lives. In our You is a multi faceted program dedicated to protecting the vulnerable lives of teens, as they transition into adulthood. Rachel's first week check orange young men and women to think about the choices they make and always look out for each other even strangers, and I think this is such an important organization and one that we've contributed to financially and I in anyone who's entering their young adult years to check out the site or if you know somebody or if you have a choice,
old or a friend, or I mean anyone at this could apply to this is such an important message. We said it a thousand times you hear these stories and, as soon will never happen to you, but Lauren is a real girl, a sweet girl with a sister and parents and friends. She had plans for her future, but now her parents don't get to see what that future could have. Instead, they have only their memories of Lauren, and that is what they continue to try and keep alive. For more information on that organization, you can go to Rachel's first week, dot org we're putting a link to that on our website, along with all of our sources. From this episode, that's crying junkie, podcast, dot, com, and be sure to follow us on Instagram at crime, junkie, podcast an iv,
I heard a lot of true crime stories this week. I need a little pick me up: stay tuned for a property of the month story, crime junkie is an audio check production. So what do you think Jack? Do you
so today I want to tell you about a sweet, little profit named Willie and our listener Mercedes, similarly story, because it was very, very intertwined with her own story. So Mercedes was in a very dark time in her life
but have been looking to adopt dog to enhance her life to give her a companion and beetle that constant friend that only a dog can be had the unconditional love. I get it exactly, but as she was looking for dogs to adopt there, just was never one that she really felt like she was connecting with and when she was at one of the lowest points in her life. Where she really felt like she could not go on living her little sister, I was driving down the highway in the middle of a cold Utah winter and almost hit a little puppy was running down. The road luck
see Mercedes sister had some beef Jerky Annalise with her, which of course I know I feel like I need to make this like puppy catching kit. For my car right, like I literally have like, should I be keeping beef jerky and a leash in my car for it at all times, yes, yeah and and her sister was able to get this scared little pup off the road and into her car, and here is one of the saddest things I've ever heard. This little pup had a collar and a tag on. Oh, do you want to know what the tag said no do I can I send you a picture of the tag? Oh my god. Yes, oh my god, it says on the front. My name is lily. If you found me, please-
eat me and on the back it says my fam can't and I need love o que my all the tears so heartbreaking. It really truly is, and so Mercedes sister brings, the puppy back to their dad's house and Mercedes met the pop the next morning, and she said the second she met Lily. She knew that it was her dog and the universe or some higher power, whatever you believe in sent this little pup into her life to tell her that life was worth living. I could I could weep happy tears. I never get to weave happy tears on prepping up the month. This is
beautiful, so Lily the pub initially had like a ton of separation, anxiety which, like I would too if I was left on the side of the road, with a tag like that, and she had a lot of fear but martini, says. If you knew her, then you wouldn't even recognize her now. She's super confident and bossy old has revealed that she is way too smart for her own good. An I haven't mentioned it yet, but she's a husky border, Collie German, show heard pointer mix. So she hundred percent is the smartest girl on the blah yeah I do not doubt it and she now, a helper hound for a local trainer and she helps trainers, assess other dogs with temperament issues and helps dogs who aren't super comfortable being around other dogs to adjust to kind of being a dog, and she no longer has any separate
anxiety or major fears and she even trained her quote little brother who full grown. German shepherd outweighs her by fifty pounds and she's taught him all of the house rules. An Mercedes says that Lily is an incredible dog who is trained her as much as she has trained lily and lily, even rolls over in the middle the night. That does a soft who, which I can only imagine this, would break my heart baby oops. I love him, I know and that's because she needs some tummy pets and she is the strangest dog Mercedes has ever met, but she wouldn't trade lily for the world, and Mercedes generally leaves that Lily saved her life. Oh, my god, my heart is so full. We needed. We needed an uplifting profit of the monk story I needed by yeah. We need him bad. I love that story. I am so happy that William Mercedes found each other and they can live happily ever after yeah and since Lily,
found wandering around in Utah. I wanted a highly a dog that was available to adopt from Utah Shelter and that's when I found dark night. So night is a five year old shepherd mix available at rescue rovers. He is currently on a foster family who says he's still learning how to be a dog much like Willie struck with Ed. They also think that he's part a strong and healthy, and actually do you know anything about kelpies. I don't know a ton about that breed so they have a pretty long lifespan. Every one of the oldest recorded dogs in history that lived to be over thirty years old was helping you. So you guys online selling point. For I mean Charlie's, obviously going to break that record, and that's sad for that dog, but like yes, that is exactly I need to know what I'm finding my next like forever friend, exactly like I'm, almost the card to Utah right now, yeah dark Knight is about seventy pounds and he loves told
he is a male bones and even already knows, if few commands like sit and down and place and his absolute favorite, which is shake, he's gaining a ton of confidence through continue training and doggie day camp and is becoming an absolute go on the leash, which is way more than what I can say for my dogs yeah, but he loves to cuddle on the couch with his humans and will be an amazing addition to any family. So we have pictures of lily and of dark knight, as well as information on rescue rovers and how you can learn more about dark knight and maybe adopt him on our website. Crime, junkie, podcast, dot, com.
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