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today, I'm going to tell you about the murders of the Longo family in Oregon. To give you a little background on this family of five, It's Christian Longo and his wife, Mary Jane, and they met because they were both part of the same Jehovah's witness congregation in Michigan when they were in their teens and early 20s, and I don't know if there are levels of Jehovah's witnesses like Kinda to Super Jehovah, but they both came from. Lee is that were like super to help and when Chris She was nineteen and Mary was twenty five. They got married Anne immediately, I'm like oh, my god. Nineteen is young like nothing good is going to happen, here's the thing. Yeah, and I thought that was way too young to get married and nothing good is going to happen, and it took me like five years to accept your marriage. Look look at us now or fine yeah,

so they get married. An all of Mary Jane's friends said he was the husband that made all the wives jealous. He would Joe Don her buy her flowers. Take her on trips. I mean even the ring that he got hurt. Was this like three and a half carat right will say still married a twenty? I did not have a three and a half carat ring preach. Well, and so, What they didn't know Teo is like it all looks like a fairy tale, but this three and slash two carat rock that he bought. He bought like on this crazy payment plan, so he put down like nothing it had this payment that was going to be more than their red, but she had no idea, and but people didn't know is exactly that. Chris could only give her this life on credit cards and before their first child was even born. He had maxed out all of their cards and there was even an instance where he couldn't

either had to pay his rent or pay this payment on her ring, and he paid the payment on the ring, so he could still keep this appearance and then like stole money, from a job to pay his rent, but then felt bad. So then he paid the job back and then just quit the job so like right off the bat they are having problems. They start. Having It's an almost right away. They had three each about a year apart, so they had sacri and then Madison to support their growing family. Chris takes a job with a company that distributes the New York Times and he did pretty well at this job. He worked his way up to manager and while there he really developed a love for the, and in the articles that they would put out. One journalist at the New York Times in particular that they would feature was Michael Finkel and Michael was one of their prize. Winning authors, who did a ton of like really heavy, hitting pieces on topics like war and slavery, but all of his pieces involved him trap.

These other countries and he lived this very exotic life. A to someone like Chris who's, just working an average job in the Midwest trying to support a young family. So Chris developed this kind of fast she with Michael and his work, and he memorized all his stories and would dream of what it would be like if you were rich and successful and could travel the world writing about his adventures, but at the end of the day Chris was getting rich and famous in his ninety five. In fact, he wasn't even making enough money live, like a mildly, impressive lifestyle. So at twenty five ' He decides he's going to quit, working for someone else and start his own cleaning business and by all appearances seems to be going well there Nice things they have nice cars going on good vacations and he even convince his dad that business is going so well that his dad invest like tens of thousands of dollars into this business. But again, all Chris was concerned with was the outward appearance of his life

So, in fact, not only was his business tanking, but he finding ways to rack up like even more debt, and eventually he got to the point where even paying off credit card minimums became so stressful. He started forging checks from his clients Thank God that's ridiculous, and all of that wasn't even enough. He still had to keep up appearances. So it's nine like he's like forging these checks to get like a clean slate he's like still going on an he, then decide like at this point. He wants a new van, so he makes a fake drivers license, goes to test, drive van and never returns it. What he stole a car, and he gets caught because of his shortly after he's like pulled over while he's in the van with his whole family, and he ends up getting caught for stealing the van caught for the check fraud. And in Michigan he had forged seven checks

one thousand dollars an in Michigan, one instance of counterfeit, can be charged as a fourteen year felony, but he gets off with barely a slap on the wrist. He plays this card with police and says: look, I am a financially strapped family man, I'm trying my best. I just got in over my head and I just want to provide my family, a good life, and I made a mistake- and here something about Christian Longo. He is a charming guy, he seems nice, he comes from a good family, he looks buttoned up, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would be this career criminal, so he just gets probation. With the promise of making restitution, he gives the same story to his wife. Swears he's done with criminal activity. So where is this was like a one time thing that he just got in over his head? and he's going to make a life for them on the straight and narrow this whole. Two asian, though put even more strain on their marriage, because He basically gets kicked out of their church, so it turns out. You can't be a criminal and a Jehovah's witness

who and the way it works- is that if you do something criminal like you get these like warnings, but he had so many warnings back to back that he basically gets kicked out of the church and other people in the church like if you are x, united or kicked out of the church. Everyone in the is really not allowed to associate with you, so this puts married, in a really tough spot because she decides to choose her husband, because her kids are the most important thing to her in the world. And she didn't want her kids to not have their father so naturally, because of this, their marriage gets a little bit strained. But it gets even worse when Mary Jane finds an email from Chris to another woman talking about how he doesn't love his wife anymore, he's basically not in love with her after she had kids he's disinterested in her because she gets all of her attention to her kids and he feels left out when I went well yeah. Ok,

so she goes against her family and her faith stands by him after he stole and lied, and then he's going to complaining to other women that she's the problem in their marriage. I can't, with these kind of men, yeah Mary Jane wouldn't leave him. She was determined that her family would stay together. So. The way she fixes at it because he's not willing to put in work. She just gushes over him spoils him draws him bubble bath all to keep him interested in her and she was determined their kids were going to have their data around day in day out and there's no way she could have known what a terrible mistake she was making by doing that, because a couple of weeks after this there's whole like fraud, conviction and this the other woman the longest decide to pack up and leave town on a site.

In the short amount of time after he was convicted, but before he leaves town, he opened a credit card in his dad's name and charges it with. But I want you to guess how much could you charge a credit card with, in a short amount of time, short like a day day, half give or take they didn't say exactly, I'm I'm thinking, maybe couple weeks months a month to month may like five to ten thousand dollars, depending on like how crazy I over one hundred thousand dollars worth of junk. How much? What can? I literally I like a lot of expensive thing. I can't even think of spending that much money and like four weeks I

they can't yeah and people said he was like toting around like boats and jet skis and the little he's just buying anything that comes to his mind. Now, I'm not even on his own credit card, but his dad's Chris decides to like air quotes, start and nail, of course, tells Mary Jane that this is all on the up and up like there's just so much negativity in Michigan. He wants to start over somewhere else, once a liar, always a liar and really he's just skipping town. He has his own debt. He can't make restitution to the people he was supposed to so he's going to end up violating probation. He decides to just leave, and I think it should have been obvious to Mary Jane, because when they leave Michigan and moved to Toledo Ohio, they stay in this old warehouse. It is by no means a home picture, an the warehouse. That's it literally. No frills, there's no kitchen, barely plumbing there sleeping

hi. Even in this I mean this has to be like rock bottom he's filling this warehouse with a bunch of random stuff that stolen or put on new credit cards. There's no way he's able to like by this. I don't know what Mary Janes thinking and what she doesn't know is at this point, he's you know, skip down his parole, there's a warrant place for his arrest. And they actually get wind that he's in Ohio, because Mary Jane's family had like tracked them down in, they track them down was insane like they couldn't get ahold of Mary Jane. They knew she was like in Ohio. They drove around Toledo, Ohio, I've been to see the longest dog in the front yard and the front yard of a warehouse yeah of this warehouse and that's how they found them. So, once the police are on to them. They basically pack up in the middle of the night and just skip town, and they leave everything I mean they were in such a hurry. They left her wedding dress like it looks as if the people just picked up all of their stuff, with their their beds were still there all of this stuff He had stolen still there and they don't

anyone where they're going married phone is cut off. So when the family realizes that they're, not in Toledo anymore, they don't even have a way to get in touch with them, so they file a missing persons report oh, no, it's happened, but they all they know is that they can't get ahold of Mary Jane and something is wrong. Her sister said to this: you could just feel it well. A few weeks after the missing persons report was filed, a postcard comes to Mary Jane, here from South Dakota, and it basically says sorry, we moved, I can't call you now but will be in touch, and this worries family, even more because, like WTF have time to like buy, write and mail a postcard, but you can't pick up the phone seriously they show this to police, like as evidence like something is wrong. Like this kind of they're heading in the direction of out West, but police look at this and see something totally different. Say, like listen, she's, an adult she is with her family. She obviously left on her own, like that's what she's made contact letting you know like it's done exactly and

They close the missing persons case, but that would be a horrible mistake, because this postcard came in November and just one monthly, the bodies of Mary, Jane Longo and her three kids would be found, and that's the next part I want to jump to so. The next thing we know for sure is and these bodies were found an on December 19th of two thousand and one the body of a young boy is found. Floating in the water weigh in Oregon police initially think that these young boy had maybe like gotten away from home, had an accident because he was like Grund. Yet in a hair cut he was obviously cared for and had drowned, so they canvassed the neighborhood, but no kids were missing, so the next thought that they have is perhaps there's a Carmax, like a whole family or a mom and son like had gone into the water and his body had floated up so police,

send a dive team to search the waters, and while they do this, they also make a composite drawing of the boy and release it to the news. They figure that even if the boys family is gone, someone had to have known this family and could recognize him and sure If someone does almost to me really a woman comes forward to say she believes this is a young boy named Zachary who's, the sun of a man, she works with at Starbucks, and this man is Christian Longo she mentioned to him that there's this kind of weird story and they had together on December 17th, and he tells her like at the end of their shift like hey. I just want to let you know like you're, not going to be seeing my family anymore. Because Mary Jane is like leaving me were getting divorced, she's really shocked. She said I thought they had the perfect marriage. They seem like such a happy family. But again, Christian Longo was all about appearances. While this lady is in the police station, a call comes in divers, have found a second body,

It's the body of a little girl. They know. Zachary has two sisters. This could be one of them, so they bring both children to the morgue and have this woman try to identify them and recognize them both as Zachary and Sadie Longo, who were four hundred and three hundred at the time, wait. So how is Sadie found Divers found her, so they found at, and this confirm for them something that they already feared. This wasn't in any kind of accident. These two children had been murdered. Cd was found at the bottom of this body of water, with her ankle, tied to a pillow case, full of rocks and they determined that Zachary had been left the same way, but the tie on his ankle was somehow and done and he had floated to the surface police. So they had a homicide at this point, but they were still missing. Three family members they no idea where Mary, Jane Madison or Chris Longo were, but they kept searching the water on December 27th those dive teams

something else now they knew like what family they were looking for, so they could better localize their search. So they start a new search at these docs, just adjacent to the apartment that the family was renting an underneath these docs they find two suitcases. An one suitcase contained the tiny body of Madison she's, just one years old. She was stuffed in the suitcase with some clothes and

await, because she wasn't even heavy enough to weigh her down and when they found the other suitcase. They didn't even have to look inside to know what they were going to find. Not only have they found all these bodies, but they could tell by the strands of hair that were floating from between the grooves of the zipper they had found Mary Jane now they had almost the whole family, except for Chris Longo could have been a victim two sure, but police had been searching the bay for almost a week at this point with no additional findings, and it was becoming clear that he was likely their suspect in the murder of his own family when they can't find him by January. The FBI places him on their top ten most wanted list. So his face is plastered everywhere. They are also able to kind of track his movements because, sometime before he fled, he had written down the credit card number from a Starbucks customer. An was using that

to like get by and travel so police and FBI knew that he was making his way south of the border. I feel like Chris has and has never had any long term plans he's literally the worst planner. If you're going to murder your whole family and like use a credit card that can be tracked like the place you work, but I mean even then goes back to like what was his plan all along, like you're racking up this credit card debt you're lying these people are stealing from your job, you're, stealing a minivan like that's a bit like Find you well 'cause he has made the most well known, wanted list in possibly like all of the world. Someone in Cancun Mexico spots him, but they do, know him is Christian Longo. They know him as the acclaimed award winning New York Times author. Michael, no, the writer he was obsessed with the one only while in Mexico he had assumed the identity of Michael Finkel, and now what makes the story even crazier is

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Well when the truth comes out after the article was published on the front of the New York Times, he's basically publicly shamed and loses his job an when he loses his job. Like they're, going to post this big retraction in this big apology letter, he basically retreats to his home in Montana, and he was planning to from the world, he was completely embarrassed, felt like his life is over. He lost everything and his phone rings. His initial reaction is like, oh, my god. This is it it's going to be media storm from here on out everyone's going to be talking about what I did I'm a liar, but he picks up the phone, and this reporter asked him for comment on. Murders, and he said: don't you mean the article and after like if you like? I'm sorry what sorry, what Michael realizes that this guy has no idea that he falsified this article or if he does, he doesn't even care all he cares about. He tells them is there's

This man, accused of murdering his whole family, he's just been captured in Mexico and the whole time he was down there. He had been assuming Michael's identity, Anh, Michael googles himself and sure enough. Every hit is on this a long ago and not on what he had done. I mean what are the odds and like if you are Michael single Guy, like it's almost a weird relief right I mean totaly like that is like part of this. That I can't get over is the timing of this for him to like blow up professionally like in a bad way and then be told, we saved by this other tragedy, just because this guy happened to use his name a perfect storm it for Michael Finkel. It was so to take us back to Chris. He, arrested and brought back to Oregon to stand trial and he actually strikes up a friendship with the real Michael Finkel, an they stop

corresponding by phone by mail and Michael even goes to visit him regularly. He tells MIKE this sob story, and you know it starts from the beginning, his whole life and how he grew up and he just wanted great family and he wanted to give them all this great stuff and he couldn't he was drowning in debt. An you know, all this kind of Yes like how he got here, and then he picks up the story that we didn't know and says from South Dakota. The family kept heading west to Oregon When they arrive. The only job Chris had get was working a part time job at Starbucks, making like seven something an hour. That's just one hundred and forty dollars a week to support a family of five Ann, back to his same tracks of like living beyond his means, because he somehow talked his way into getting approved for an apartment over. The bay that cost over one thousand two hundred dollars a month again. What was his

long term plan he's making like five hundred and fifty five sixty a month before taxes, that's not even half the rent, he has a family, he needs to feed. They have to pay for gas. Kids are growing, they go through close like crazy, like this is plan. I truly I don't know. I don't know his plan was to keep lying, and I mean he had gotten by so many years, like conning people. This way- or I don't know if he hadn't exit strategy in the back of his mind for like sometime, but this all comes to a head, but December 17th and December 18th. But that's where the story that he is telling. Michael always.

An, although this whole time he swears to his bff Michael Finkel, that he didn't do this like. This is all a mistake. He won't actually talk about the days leading up to when the bodies were found and he won't talk about what might have happened if he didn't do it. I can't tell you what happened in those times. No one knows for sure, but what I can tell you is what the police, the prosecutors and the jurors have speculated and said happened. They say that Chris work to shift at Starbucks on December 17th and that's when he told that story to his coworker about never seeing his family again. They say Chris goes home that night and he and Mary Jane had an altercation about something likely money, since there was absolutely none right Mary Jane had actually recently they find this out later she had gone to a food bank to get information for the family, and you know Chris could have found out about this.

That embarrassed all he cared about was appearances like having to go to a food bank would be the last thing he would want or maybe he had no idea and just couldn't take the mounting pressure of supporting this family of five in his apartment. He couldn't afford with this mounting debt and a warrant out for his arrest right, like I feel like in his mind, they were very much to blame for why he couldn't live if you wanted right, you know so. However, this escalated police believe that it probably happened in the evening and he think they think that first strangled Mary Jane. She also had like some blunt force trauma so whether he hit her or strangled her and then hit her. I don't know, but they think he killed her first to get her out of the way

and then he strangled their baby Madison in the autopsy photos they showed in court. The jurors said that they could still see the marks around Madison's neck, even after all, this time that she was in the water, he then shot their bodies into those two suitcases walk. Then, down to the bay and put them underneath the dock. He has two children laugh Zack is for CD who's. Three and one of two things could have happened. I can't ice in reading different accounts in different places. He either took them alive and put them into his mini van or he suffocated then both there and then put them into the mini van, but he puts both children into the mini van along with two pillowcases and some rope he drives to a nearby bridge fills the pillowcases with rocks tied into their

angles and one at a time, carries them to the side of the bridge and dumps them into the water. This is honestly just so horrific. I can't I almost don't have uh I know this case was really rough for me, the murder of children always rocks me, but there's something that just hurts me to my core when I think about a parent doing something like this like to think that a little child who knows nothing about the world I knew nothing about their dad, nothing about what he was really doing, or He really was like to there to today. Like a superhero. They trusted him like every moment and as he was if they were alive, like holding then H, hearing them to their water, like they never thought that he would hurt them like this. Why? What day, when you're a little on your dad picked up like that, was the most comforting and like safe place for you, I I cannot imagine what those kids

feeling in those moments in life. It just breaks my heart. I mean even if they weren't, when he like drop down to have like your dad, come in your room and I, if, if he suffocate them like either way like your parents, are supposed to be like the two people in the world who like had your back and especially when you're so young, and can't protect yourself like It just makes me sick and like it's, why widest story upsets me so much more than even others that we have done. So we know Longo was on that bridge because on the 17th, man, actually pulled over and talk to him. He thought he was having car troubles like the very early hours in the morning and It says you know it's just my check engine light on. Like I'm fine, I don't need any help in the guy drives away, but the driver said that he seemed totally fine, so not even in this time like before or after he dumped his children into the water like was he even disturbed?

he had done so long ago is the only one of his family that survived. He was on the bridge over where his kids were later found. He fled the country after the murders. And he was found frolicking in mexico- was he actually for all ago for sure, following he literally like when the FBI caught him, he was in a shack smoking weed with some german tourists he was trying to bone like when they caught him. He was zero sad tears, oh my god, so the prosecution, feels like they have a really strong case, but Longo Shocks, everyone, including his new bff Finkel when he goes into court and pleads guilty to only two of the murders. What? Yes, he had a completely story. She says that it all started on the night of the 15th December 15th, when he and his wife went out on a date with all that money that they have and Mary Jane told her husband that she felt, like things were going really bad

for their family and she confronted him about all of the lies like all of this stealing, because he still again telling her everything is fine. I think she was putting the pieces together that it's not and he tried to play it off, but he said he couldn't keep in any longer and the night of December 16th. They stayed up and had this like all night conversation where he confessed everything the stealing the lying, having a warrant out for his arrest and he Ed when Mary Jane heard all this. She just lost it he said she had an emotional break like he had never seen before, and then,

this morning. He asked her like. Let me stay home from work. Let's talk about this, an that's the last thing she wants. She said no you're going to go to work like we need the money, so she drops him off 'cause. They only have the one car, but when she picks him up from his shift she's only wearing a bathrobe she's barefootin, the kids weren't with her when they get home, is when he realizes what has happened. He said that the first thing he found was Madison their one year old lifeless on the bed, and he said he just lost control and strangled Mary Jane, and then he said he realized after he did that he put in the suitcase Madison was like still alive, and so he strangled her take because he didn't want her to like live with what had happened, and he said as they like blew up like this. What he realized is that Mary Jane is the one who had killed Zachary

and Sadie and she dumped them because she had a mental break. He says that's why the bodies were disposed of in such different ways, because she killed Zack and Sadie and he killed Mary, Jane and Madison, one they were disposed of in really different ways. Am I right they were. They were all found in water, yes and in different locations. Okay till like what a piece of crap to kill your wife and then just be like actually, she kill. Everybody else, yeah, and I and I was just so mad that she killed them- that I snapped. I killed her logical I was even hard for him, like in in court to like people to play off like okay, we get say your wife today and you killed her because you sent, if you found out, your daughter was alive Why did you kill her? I mean none of it made sense and the jury didn't buy it either, and they found him guilty of all of murders and after he was sentenced to death. He even almost confessed like he was telling people he was right

lying and blaming everyone, and he wanted to come clean for what he had done, but not long at he's like doing this. He starts filing his appeals and he goes back to his original story in court. Truthfully, that's where and now he's trying to get a new trial he's on death row. I'm completely disgusted. You know, like. I can't figure out that I keep coming back to is how long do you think he was planning this? Some people think that he was the one that actually sent the postcard from South Dakota to keep her,

family off their trail and the bodies were hidden so like in his mind. Maybe they would never be found and knowing that he killed them all, did he do it differently with the plan, like the whole time of blaming Mary Jane Man, I don't know like in my heart of hearts. He did it all like from day one he was living like just completely like very deceptive. Very manipulative, very you know, appearances are everything I feel like. He had been planning this for awhile so because he is a person who, like plans ahead to a certain extent, in that, like plans ahead to cover his tracks, see, I was going to say the exact opposite thing like I think, he's the worst planner of all time and, in my mind, like I love being that kind of

conspirator like in, like thinking the opposite of what everyone else does. But I don't even think I can say that. Maybe he didn't do it like, I could say and uh You know, maybe Scott Peterson didn't do it. Maybe Robert Fisher didn't do it, but in this this one. I don't think there's anyone out there. Who's like having a is Robert, Christian Longo, innocent kind of Facebook I clearly agree. I just do think that he's been like trying to get ahead of the game for so long like he had to have known that. He couldn't keep this up and he had to find a critical like solution for his family that he support and this was it yeah. Maybe this like really gives me, Robert Fischer Vibe, like, I don't know about you, definitely definitely. Whenever a guy goes missing or is like suspected of killing his entire family, it seems really similar.

In a lot of ways. Yeah- and I don't know if like if he would have never been caught. If maybe there would be more people who thought he was innocent, but against it's the same thing to me like this, family man who yeah has shown signs of like being a liar or maybe being angry but like was never violent and then to just like take out his whole face and then even now in prison like he, along really well with everyone he's like a model prisoner so like so we with these family annihilators that like they can just snap, and disassociate with their family. I don't know I can almost turn like on and off yeah. I can't right now, but definitely again like. I have totally different feelings between this Robert Fisher. Like I have a lot of questions about the Robert Fisher case, my only question with this Longo case is like why there is no other option,

So the last I heard so he is on death row he's trying to file some appeals I haven't seen if he's been approved or it's been actually filed, is under review. I did some rumblings, like, as I was reading through online- that Mary Jane's family is raising money to get to Oregon. Trial, but I haven't actually seen any new articles about there being a new trial, so we will follow this. If anything new comes up, if he does file an appeal or if he does get a new trial will be sure to you guys can go to our website, get our newsletter for all these updates crime, junkie, podcast, dot com

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