High crime, junkies, I'm Ashley flowers, and I am bread. No, I hate this week so much researching. Case that we're doing this week, absolutely sucked for me, okay, but We did do it for a reason: yeah, okay, so we're doing the what's family and you freaking crime. Junkies have been sending me links to this case since it exploded on to the headlines in August yeah did I tell you, I counted how many times got suggested, just in our form. You did at over thirty five time times people was submitted it to our website and that's not even counting the check. Messages are twitter messages that I was just going to say the amount that people actually like go through the proper channels to request a case is very slim. Most of them are like Dm S on face an instagram, but it is non stop for four months and no lie as much as people send it to me. I didn't look into this case at all, like I knew the very

bare minimum about it, because I do it was an awful case, an online to be fair. We were also researching cases. We could cover them here. Well, yeah! That's why I'm saying all I do is talk about awful cases every week, so I wasn't ready to dive in, but I thought hey since everyone is requesting this Maybe the crime junkies will actually hear about it. Maybe they know what will make for a good episode. The more I researched the le. I wanted to tell this story it just it sucked so sad and I'm bummed out so get everybody to have your week ruined and me merry Christmas. I guess yeah merry Christmas crime junkies. You asked for it

this story is super recent. Probably the most recent story we've ever covered because it took place over this summer and just came to a conclusion in November of twenty eighteen, like month ago from the time that we're recording this all took place here in the USA in the state of Colorado, where the Watts family resided in their four hundred thousand dollars home. I feel like we begin so many stories this way, but from the outside they looked like they had it all, and I think this goes back to our rule that you never really know anyone ever, but I think we also need a new rule. Social media lies so Chris Watts, his action, Ann Watsan and their two young daughters, Bella who's for and see who's. Three. If you were to look at Shannons Facebook, you would think that they had everything: a happy marriage, a beautiful home, beautiful kids, successful careers

in the oil industry, Anshan Anani, multi level, marketing company, Instagram and Facebook showed them traveling all over together, taking trips to San Diego in Vegas and port of IR to it seemed idyllic here, ish and and back in twenty eighteen talking about her husband and- and I got a friend suggestion, I was in a really really really bad place and I've got a friend to friend, request from Chris on Facebook, and I was like what the heck I'm never going to meet him except, thing led to another, and eight years later we have two kids, we live in Colorado and he's the best thing that has ever happened to me. You know where I think it's Shane and social media that made this case so tragic. For me. There aren't any worse than that of the Coleman family or the Longo family, but is there is so much

much of a social media presence for Shonan. I felt like, as I research this case, I got. Tell her? I got to know her kids. I knew their voices their mannerisms like the things that made them smile, so it became so much more incomprehensible for me Someone would want to hurt them so again from the outside. Everything is great in two thousand and eighteen should an finds out some great news. She is pregnant with their third child and again because she has such a big social media presence. She records her telling Chris the news she he turns to the camera and shows that she's wearing a shirt that says oops. We did it again, an video Chris walks into the room and then- and here his reaction swedish.

I like that shirt. Really really. That's awesome. Tokens means going to be girls. Yes, yes, just when you want see what happens interesting yeah, I like, I feel like there's something in her. That's a little bit nervous to tell him and maybe his reaction yeah like she definitely didn't like which, like service of had this moment, but lay okay, but

you think she'd say something instead of just stand there, but I mean maybe they've been talking about it for a long time and we're like really trying. I don't know it just seemed one: that's that's you know Chris, and he says I guess when you want it to happen, it does and then he just says wow. So maybe they had been trying, maybe not, but he really wanted to happen, because what the outside world didn't know is that their relationship was very strained. Just three earlier. The couple had filed for bankruptcy because they were over four hundred and eighty thousand dollars in debt yeah a lot of money, and the couple was drifting further and further apart after that, pregnancy announcement, Shanan and Chris is marital troubles were worse and he wasn't abusive or violent, but he be very cold and distant toward her. She actually texted up and saying that she was angry and sad and scared the idea of having a third baby with somebody who seems like he had no in

in having another kid he wouldn't even go with her to her ultrasound appointments. At the of June, the same summer Xinyan took her girls on a trip back to North Carolina to visit family. She would spend the next six weeks there with her parents. Walshe is there she can fight it a little in her mom about what was going on. She was buying self help books for herself and for Chris she would mail them to Chris and Chris would just throw them away even more telling or her text messages back to Chris, who was still in Cala Rado living what Shanan called the bachelor life and here's one of text messages quote: try to give you space, but while you're working and living the bachelor life I'm carrying our third and fight with our two kids daily trying to work and make money. It's not hard text, love you and miss you. If you don't mean it, then I get it, but we need to talk. I keep looking at my phone all night and no response from you. Like

seriously. We didn't just start dating yesterday. We've been together eight years and have two one slash. Two kids together. As the summer drew on, though, things did not get better for Shannon Chris and after she I had gotten back from North Carolina, but just before she left for a work trip in Arizona. This would have like August, seventh or eighth Shanan had texted a friend of hers, and she said quote: he told me last night, he's scared to death about this third baby and he's happy with just Bella and Celeste, and he doesn't want another baby and her friend respond. You know trying to be comforting, he's just scared. Everything will be fine once the baby comes right, like maybe it's just like jitters to become apparent of three yeah. I mean it's no longer man demand. This is zone coverage. It can be scary, but and replies back, no he's changed and I don't know who he is

in one of those tax, the friend kind of suggested that maybe Chris was having an affair, but Xin Nan. What's told a friend that she had she confronted Chris about this and he absolutely denied it and I think, shun an even truly grasped the gravity of her own words. If she would have, I do, I think she would have ever gone on that trip. I think she taking her kids left their home I never looked back, but there was no way she could have seen what was coming Shin and went to Arizona from August tenth to August 12th, and while she was gone Chris watching over the girls on his own sha Na Na obviously had suspicions about her husband, cheating on her. She admitted to a friend in a text message that she actually confront Chris about it. We know that so she keeping an eye on her bank records and she was surprised to see that while she was gone, there was a sixty two dollar dinner charge: how to play

called the lazy dog bar and grill on Saturday night, when she asked Chris about this, he said that he had left the girls with a sitter and when Cala Rado Rockies Game with some friends, and then they all went out for dinner after and he got a salmon and beer, which is why it was expensive. But she called him out and was like this doesn't make sense. The net day this was August. 12Th is due to arrive home very late. In the evening after Chris put the girls to bed night, he said Bella came out of her bed twice looking for her mom, but she hadn't gotten back yet so Chris tucked Bella back into bed, and he told her that she, let's see her mom when she woke up Bell all the while. Never knowing that that time wouldn't come for her. She ended up returning to Cala Rado in the very early morning. Hours of the 13th friend of Shanan's name, Nicole Atkinson, dropped her off at her home around one hundred and forty in the morning, and then

would be the last time that anyone ever saw Shanan alive. The next morning was like any other to those around Chris Chris went to work, did totally normal at work. Now alarm bells were raised, but me maybe if he had been more invested in Shanan's pregnancy, maybe if he have gone with her to any of those ultrasound appointments, he would have known that she had an appointment that morning of the 13th and when she didn't show up to it, it would set off alerts in the minds of her friends, and it would ring a bell that Chris could never on ring. That morning, the same friend, Nicole, who had dropped Shanan off just hours before, was be concerned. When Xinan wasn't answering her text, messages more can and when she and and didn't show up for her ultrasound appointment even more when Shanan missed a business meeting. So by one thousand. Two hundred and ten

the afternoon Nicole, went to Shannon's home Nicole Knox rings. The doorbell. But there's no answer locomotion in the house, even if Shanan slept in and missed her appointment and missed her meetings, she would be and moving about with two young daughters. But the house was totally silent. Nicole knew something was wrong. She immediately called Kristanna Frederick Police Department who dispatched an officer to do a welfare check by one hundred and forty in the afternoon after the please arrive. Chris was not far behind them and he gave permission to the police search his home, which was void of Shanan, an her two little girls. What was left behind, though Shannon's purse should ans phone, her keys and her car with the children

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criminal. The next day on August 14th, the Cbi, Cala Rado Bureau of Investigation joins the case. This is the same day that Chris got in front of local news cameras and pled for his family's safe return. I want. I want them wherever they're at like. I have no inclination of where there at right now like exhausted, like every friend that I know of, and every friend that I have has called friends at It has that, maybe I didn't know about- and it's just like it's like vanished, like she's, not like when I got home yesterday. It was like a ghost town like she wasn't here, kids weren't here I have no idea like where they went and it doesn't. If this earth shattering, I don't feel like this- is even real right now. It's like a nightmare that I just can't wake up from it's a little, hard to hear the reporter, but the news reporter asked: when did you learn that they weren't here, I guess,

add, text. Sarah few times called. I didn't get a response which that was a little off and then her friend Nicole, showed up about a little afternoon. I see on the Doorbell camera an hey what's going on, if I can't get a hold of Shanann and that's what I was just like something's, not right. If she's not answering the door and shut the car was here, so I got to go home and we got here got inside and nobody was here not nothing. Here are the reporter asks. I read that Xinan hadn't, taken the girls to school is that unusual, yeah 'cause Bella was going to start kindergarten next next Monday Ann they were just getting ready to start start back again. At this point order, interjects you have a beautiful family. What is going through your mind when you think something could be wrong like

I was trying to get home as fast as I can. I was blowing through stop by itself through everything just trying to get home as fast as I can 'cause. None of this made sense like she wasn't here like. Where did she go once I got here, it was like all right. Can I call who do? I know that she could be with right now if she went to a friends house where staying and we went through everybody, I mean just everything in my in my contact list and her friend contact list, and nothing is everybody said like they haven't heard from her either I'm just hoping right now that she's somewhere safe maybe she's, just she's. There right now. It's just like if she's vanished, like I want her back, so that I want those kids back so bad. Now, here the makes a comment. He said you know your first thought has to be. Where are they you want them back, but your second thought is people think that you have something to do with this.

Yeah, I mean not not, everybody is going to have their own opinion on anything like this. I just want people to know that I want my family back like I want them to save an I want here like this house is not the same. I mean I love. I was traumatic last night was. I can't really stay in this house again like with nobody here and last night I wanted, I wanted to knock on the door. I wanted to see that I want to see the kids run and run and just just bear rushed me just give me a hug, not me on the ground, but I don't have the reporter asked specifically crash about the cameras and the locks in the house because everything's I have been locked and they don't have any idea. What's on the cameras in the home, they have like a ring doorbell camera their neighbor has camera. We I mean everything was everything's, checked out another camera,

the doorbell, only one right there. The neighbor has one of the all the doors around the house. Well front door was locked, the garage door was unlocked, but that that's normal for like when she comes in the house. She leaves it unlocked, so she can come in and out just in case you know, did you get in the garage door, but the back sliding door was locked as well. Finally, they ask, did you see your kids? Did you see your wife? Have the kids over the weekend? Did you see your wife when she got home? I you got home really late about two hundred am from there, since we got back from Arizona. Did you wake up now as a sore when she got it, but it was really quick just because two hundred am in the morning, but I saw the kids in the monitor before I left and that was it. From this whole interview I know a chance to watch it right. Yes, I did do you know what I find most interesting and I don't know if it's stuck out to you as well

You haven't told me and there's a couple things that stuck out but I'd love to hear, take on it yeah. He said it's the fact that this is literally day one for his family one full day when his family is missing and he isn't wearing a wedding ring. I didn't notice that yeah I at first thought like. Maybe he would like it was one of the guys that it didn't like it wasn't part of his daily routine. But if you go back and watch old, videos on Shannons Facebook and Instagram and pictures he's always wearing a ring. He's also always wearing this, like Bracelet Shanan had lupus and he would wear this bracelet in support of doesn't like a live, strong type bracelet. I don't know exactly what it looked. It was like purple. I believe. Ok, so probably like a live, strong type, bracelet yeah but day one. They are missing the bracelets, not there and wedding ring is not

you said he worked in the oil fields, though right he did so. He was at work the day before it's possible that he had taken it of yeah 'cause, like my dad, was a construction worker an like he never wore his ring and let my mom asked him too, because they were going somewhere or doing something basically, because it was like a safety precaution. No, I totally get that and again not saying that it's I was like. Oh, I killed my family by ring. It's just a weird thing that I was really surprised by and it just like stuck out to me also. How loud was he gulping? It was end of loud. It was. It was like a good cartoon. It was very strange to me: that's how I feel, like I sound when I drink on the podcast. Yes, so Brit, I am sure you saw that your favorite statement, analysis blog, did a little blurb on Chris Watt. So do you want to dive into that? A little so one of the first things thatstatementanalysis dot com points out. Is

this statement saying I want my family back. I want that knock on the door. I will the kids I just want them home, so bad and something that statement analysis com mentions is that those are probably pretty truthful statements. Ok, when Chris says these things, he is realizing what he's done truly the extent of it to some point and probably regret that he killed his family and would like to have them back to not take back the action but stop. I find it really interesting that the whole time he's saying things like the how is empty. The house isn't the same. I don't like sleeping here. It's all very self, centered yeah, it's not like! I. I miss them he's talking about how yeah, how he's lonely like that's the emotion he's experiencing is loneliness later on. He also says I have no, inclination of where they are right now. I have no idea where they went and

thing that stuck out to me and she statement analysis was that no one really says they don't have an idea and they're still being truthful. I say I have no idea what I'm making for dinner, but never mind, I'm like well, I have chicken in the fridge. I have asparagus in the fridge. I have some idea of what I'm making for dinner right sure. That's basically the tactic that Chris is unwittingly exposing right now I have no idea is very drastic. He probably has some idea, and in this case he knows the actual truth. He also uses the past tense. Did you notice that at some point recall we're talking about his girls and he's like asked to explain them? He talks about how they were supposed to start school and they were going to start school, which kind of presupposes that they aren't going to right right right and then the last thing that statement analysis touches on which was like going for me is when

Watt said I'm not sure if they're safe somewhere, just huddled up somewhere or if they're in trouble, why does it stick out? He decides to lie yeah this opportunity to say not sure and create some sort of almost plausible deniability, but he flat out lies and says I don't know when he knows because he's I put them there. Well I mean that's like picking it apart. Obviously, this entire thing is a lie, and it's this analysis was written partially after his confession. Yeah and I mean his body language, the whole time he's got his arms wrapped around himself he's very uncomfortable, very defensive, never good, and during this interview, police are still inside searching his home cadaver dogs and all but they're, not just searching his home.

They notice that in the early morning hours after Shanan had arrived home Chris could be seen on their video doorbell system backing his truck into the garage and it that there for awhile, while he was out of it before he got back in and drove away so police decide. They need to know where Chris went that night by you in the GPS on his truck. They recreated the path that Chris took on August 13th and it took them to chris- is worksite a large site owned by Anadarko Petroleum. Where Chris was a field coordinator. It's not so strange that Chris drove to work, but this isn't it Decatur's. First rodeo they search the site by foot by air with drones, and it's with those drones that they spot something very

Miller, and you want to guess what it was just told me. It was the bed sheet that matched the set fat at the Watts home in the trash. The same set that one spin on their bed and in instigators knew that they were on the right track, just as they were finding this thinking that they got their first real break. They bring Chris in for questioning and then when the get another huge break. In the case, a woman who came forward to police saying she was Chris Watts girlfriend. A woman named Nicole Kasinger came forward to police and told them that she had been a coworkers of Chris and they had been dating all summer. She said that told her about his family, but he said that in Shonan were separated and he was living in the basement until they got a divorce as Chris

being interrogated by police there slowly uncovering the details of this affair with Nicole. Those would later tell the media that she barely knew Chris and the two had just started dating and taking things slow, her internet search, history and text messages which, by the way she deleted before coming forward to police, and he would tell a totally different story on July. Twenty fourth, Nicole, was doing Google searches for the phrase quote, then I'm having an affair with says he will leave his wife, so search number one on August fourth sheet is searching the internet for over two hours for wedding dresses, Anne on August, wait she's, searching Google for topics related to marrying your mistress after murders, which we think happened on August 13th there were hours worth search is on her computer for Shanan's name and quote KEN cops trace text message.

Oh, I never found out exactly what those text messages on her phone were that she deleted. Clearly they probably were able to recover them, but I don't think is any kind of like conspiracy. I don't think she was a co conspirator, but I think she was trying to hide how obsessive and bald she actually was with Chris Watts, because I mean I would assume the public would then kind of hold you slightly responsible, even though she's not yeah. Let's look at Amber Frey from the Laci Peterson case. She was kind of crucified, ok, so here's kind of a strange thing that I wasn't going to really talk about, but since you brought it up, I will later on on her search history. They found out that she was like googling Amber Frey. She was googling. What kind of book deal Amber, Frey, God, God yeah like first, it was like The searches were like do. Did people hate Amber Frey which, like okay, fine check it out, but then to like see how,

if Amber Frey profited off of a family being murdered, just felt really gross yeah. So even if police like they, never got measures, I assume they did. We don't know what they say. They didn't need. The text messages they had. Chris is own handwriting and in a July third card for her birthday, Chris wrote to her quote. Big things will happen this year. Dreams will come true that smile that stare, that laugh, that giggle gets me every time. You truly an amazing, inspirational and electric woman that takes my breath away. Every time. I see you, you are wonderful, don't ever stop being you an in another note that same month, but on the 30th Chris Hand, rights to her Nikki wow. Where do I even start? The today I saw you you took my breath away. The first day I had the guts to talk to. I got lost in those stunning eyes. The first

We hung out in the park together. I knew I was addicted. The first time we kiss I knew I had met the most uh using unique and electric woman. Ever we have a lot of first together Nikki and I want to keep having them with you and then he puts in quotes all night. The sun comes back. I wanna love, wanna, love, wanna love! You like that love Chris Ann. As he's being interviewed by police, he deny the strain in his marriage and he didn't deny it back at Chris is work site, so the search was concentrated around that bed sheet an it didn't take long before searchers found what they were. Looking for, Shanan Bella and Cc Bella and CC had been dumped in

tanks, and this is where the story just gets like so rough. For me, it's hockey about his little girls, their bodies were placed through this hatch. It was only eight inches in diameter, so Bella, who is the older of the two, had scratches over her body from being shoved through that hatch, and she even had this tuft of hair that had been ripped from her head as he shoved her in there and Xinan was found further away from the oil tank buried in a shallow grave. An I assume it's because like to get to an oil tank, you have to like Kerry somebody to put them in this hatch an he probably couldn't carry Shanan. Who was like one hundred and thirty pounds. Shanan had been strangled with almost no signs of a struggle, just finger shaped bruises around her neck, and

I have to believe that she was either sleeping or unconscious somehow when she was attacked, because it takes two to four minutes for manual strangulation to kill a person, and I cannot believe that she wouldn't have fought back. And for the little girls, the girls had been smothered by their killers bare hands cc, like her mom looked as though she put up no fight at all Bella, on the other hand, apparently had signs that she had tried to fight for her life, and at this point, there's no question in police's. Mind no question about who wrapped their hair around Shanan's neck for four minutes, no question about who used their bare hands to hold down to little girls just for an three to smother them. It was there

own father, their father who was supposed to protect them there other who was supposed to love them and the father that balance. I can't like I'm like, especially as someone who's saying some something like that to her dad. I can't I can't imagine. And this is where I like, I, I posted on our Facebook. Like I

getting very emotional now this I this is the first time I've ever written a script and was like crying while I was writing it and it's. This is what absolutely just like rips my guns out and makes this case so hard to talk about and no worse than any other like family that we ever talked about. But there is something gut wrenching about feeling like you've seen these kids and you know these kids n. You know we always assume that that these girls, with their dad, is their hero. But, like hearing her say it thinking about these two little girls Bella, especially fighting for her life, probably so confused and so scared that hero was smothering her. Oh my god,. So at one thousand one hundred and two that night, approximately sixty nine hours after his wife returned home. And shortly thereafter was strangled. Chris was arrested on

position of murdering his entire family. After his arrest, Chris asked to speak with his dad and he said only after I speak with him. Will I tell you the truth, so police allowed this obviously recording the entire thing Anne. What they heard. What he said was

shocking and discuss one actor. The one percent analysts say and a little after that this is a disorder begins it's a little hard to hear, but this sorry Chris tells his dad and then leader tells police. Is that when she and and got home that night, he told her, he wanted to say great and she was very upset. He said that he went

down to the basement for a moment. Just a moment, however, along a moment is to him and when he came back to the room, he saw on the baby monitor that in one of the rooms his daughter was laying on the bed and had already started turning blue and why toggle to the next room, he saw shinny on smothering their other daughter. He said by the time he got to the room, his daughter was dead and he quote: freaked out and kill Chin man of. Isn't this exactly the same story Chris Longo had. I know it is right out of the same playbook. Please tell me now, one in the world believed him right. His parents actually believed him, but police didn't enter. This is like even more of a sick act. It's like not enough that you kill all three of them, but then you have to

take one more jab and disparage the wife that you already murdered by saying she was the one who killed your children Chris, stuck to his story for a long time until early November, when to avoid the death penalty, Chris pled guilty to killing his two daughters, yeah his wife and their unborn son. Nine, who Shin and plan to name Niko now Chris, is living out his days in a Wisconsin prison where he is now getting love letters from women. And this is what I can't believe, but women are writing him saying I want to get to know you. One said literally, you you're on my mind. Almost every single day since you were in the news and people are like send pictures of themselves. Abs, lutely disgusting- I don't know clearly these women aren't right in the head either, but he

he's living Wisconsin he's in prison. He will be in prison for the rest of his life without parole, and he chris- and I now hate all these women writing to him. But you know but I kept dwelling on a little bit in this case- is the psychology of a family annihilator. I know we said this in every one of the cases like this, like we just don't understand, but I don't edit, how does Chris a guy with no history of violence, a guy who, from all outward appearances, was a good dad how this guy just wake up one day and kill his wife and kids and go to work like nothing? Freaking happened so. I didn't want to just think about it. I started to dig to see if I could find any kind of studies that have been done on these kinds of people on family annihilators. These serial killers they're not spree killers. Really we say you know they just snapped one day, but snapping isn't even really the right term for them, because

no one really knows these people or their motivations or what happens in their mind 'cause. They don't snap and then they're snatched forever. It's almost as if they just do this and they can act like it never happened so ICE Howard, so many sites and journals and articles an icr lost the entire web. I found one one scholarly article done in the UK back in twenty thirteen, and that was it that's it, but What they found was actually really interesting. They used newspaper archives from nineteen eighty to twenty twelve to try and identify characteristics of these killers and here's what they found family annihilators are dominantly male,

Seventy one cases that they found, fifty nine were male. Most of them tend to be in their 30s. Most of them are employed with good jobs and the cause of the act. Most commonly attributed to a family break up or some kind of financial strain. The strangest tidbit of all is that August is found. The most common month in which the killers kill their families. So all of this fits the case even the month that it happened. I know I was shocked at how accurate this study was. The only thing that didn't fall into the norm for Chris is that so that eighty one percent of family annihilators attempt suicide and he did not much Chris Longo. Chris Watts wanted to get rid of his family, so he could just start a new life, so this study basic

he was able to breakdown family annihilators into four types of categories. The first is the self righteous and, according to this article, they said quote the killer, seeks to locate blame for his crimes upon the mother, who he holds response for the breakdown of their family. This may involve the killer phoning his partner before the murder, to explain what he's about to do. For these men, their breadwinner status is central to their idea of an ideal family. So I do he falls into that category, the second, one is disappointed and quote: this killer believes his family. Has let him down or has acted in a way to undermine or destroy his vision of ideal family, an example maybe a disappointment that children are not following at their traditional, religious or cultural customs of the father. End quote again: is it one hundred percent fit for me? No, the third, write a family. Annihilators is anomic. In the

cases the family has become firmly linked in the mind of the killer to the economy. The father sees fam as the result of his economic success. Allow bring him to display his achievements. However, if the other becomes an economic failure, he sees the family's no longer serving this function and to me this feels like kind of closest option, because the fourth is paranoid, and this article says quote those who even external threat to the family. This is often social services or the legal system. Their father fears will side against him and take away his children here. The order is motivated by a twisted desire to protect his family. So really, I think he falls mostly in that third one, but also the study didn't really account for those who were star over because of a mistress or with a mistress in mind, which I think I've seen at least.

One of maybe two or three of in our family annihilator cases yeah and again, this study was done in the UK. So I don't know if there's like cultural differences, or I mean at the end of the day, people are people. Clearly it had a lot of relevant information because a lot of that applied to why so calling crime junkies who are criminal justice and psychology majors. I think this is an area of research that needs so much more attention. It would amazing if we could look at new ways to kind of pick out these people again. What makes you the kind of person who can raise your daughters to be three and four and love them and care for them and have them love you so much that they sing songs about you being there hero and then one day, wake up and smother them and not even think twice about it may with more research. There could be signs that

we can actually look for an maybe if we would have known more if Shin and would have known what to look for, maybe would still be here and with that. I want to leave you with some wise words from Xinan herself. We're not promised tomorrow, you know we're not promised anything but the I want to enjoy our children and um free crazy moment. It can be safer. Crazy, I'm not going to lie in my kids are are crazy, but I love them.

Thank you guys again for tuning in? I hope you all, despite this episode, have a wonderful Christmas, but I hope you'll take the story and spend time with your family love on your family and we are actually going to be taking next week off to spend time with our feet. It's been an entire year. We know fifty two weeks that we put out fifty eight episodes, so we're gonna take one week off, but for you, junkies, who need an extra six if you are on our p tree on you're, going to have a meeting next week coming out for Britain, I discuss one key agree on it, so that you guys so good Rick puts on her tinfoil hat. She gets a little conspiratorial, I think she's crazy. Do I tell or talking about we are talking about Oj Simpson and the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and RON it's a over an hour, long episode. I think you guys are really gonna like it and if you really misses next week, don't forget we're taking a week off not only spend time with families, but to spend time with you, I am going to be. Posting are crying gin, New Year's Eve Party to deep brewing in downtown Indianapolis. I think the last time I looked there were literally like fifteen tickets left you can find tickets on our Facebook page more in our instagram Bio are handle is at nine twenty five cast. I hope to see you all there, but if not, we will be back in two thousand and nineteen with at the seven and if you need a little pick me up after probably the worst cases a year stay tuned for that this episode of cringing, he was researched, written and hosted by me with co hosting by brick pre. What all of our editing and sound production was done by David flowers and all of our music, including our theme, comes from Justin Daniel.

Crime junkie is an audio chuck production. So what I think Chuck. Do you approve okay, but I need like the best prep atory you that was that episode is so rough. For me, no, it was very, very rough. An I actually picked this profit with you in mind, name Charlie, so I scroll through all of our submissions, an look at all the cute names, all the cute stories, an I said on this prophet Pippo. Can you tell me what?

stop. It would like to tell the people who Pippo is yeah, I don't even like yeah, so I think I had this like book. Maybe more people was a hippo, I think, but I But this one is like one years old, I have this purple hippo, who I named hippo and he's made out of like parachute material. Let's be clear, and I'm glad that thank you for keep calling him a he because in my mind, Pippa was always a heat, but he is clearly is wearing a skirt. He is clearly wearing a skirt with a flower in his hair, but I, like pickles, always been a boy into my eyes. I don't know yeah, probably ok, it wasn't just me I that is crazy to me, because I don't know why I never named Charlie pep. Oh, I love that name best name ever and I'm like already have like all the good childhood big full body chills. Ok, so I emailed Pepos mom Stephanie and was kind of disappointed because they pronounce it

keep oh I'm going to ok, but there's a really great story behind it. And that's what I'm going tell you? Ok, ok, so so in two thousand and nine Stephanie's family had two members of their family pass away as well well as their family profits. Oh my god, all of this in, like three months zero, this absolutely turned their family on its head. You know nothing, nothing is making sense, it would her grand father. It was her aunt and then the family prop it. It was really traumatic experience for the family to go through the following year: Stephanie, maybe executive decision that they needed a dog. My computer started playing law and order.

I mean the same: I'm not even like a pose like keeping this in it's kind of funny. No, where it's literally, I don't know. What's market okay, go I'm so sorry, people, I'm so sorry everyone would just started playing loner as few, which is like you, a great show, but not for profit of the month. Ok, ok! So, like I said, Stephanie was going to go down to the local shelter and she was going to adopt a dog because they needed cheering up and that's what I. What do I mean it's, that's accurate, oh, no totally, and so she says that eat a dog and this It's really wanted one that that Stephanie's grandmother liked because she had just lost not only her husband but her daughter as well and they need to start an they like him, but there this like.

Action. You know I mean not really because any dog I lock eyes with, I feel, like we've made a connection. Okay, but like files with me versus Niles with you, ok, fair! Okay, are you a Charles Charlie with me and Charles the Charlie, with me entirely with anyone else who is with me, but I like to really so they weren't really feeling like that like moment with the stock and stuff is like. Can you bring out another one and she specifically wanted a black and white dog, so they bring out this little black and white pointer puppy and everyone instead bonded with him, and he said that when they brought him home, it felt like I finally had some fresh air in their home, like course, is a huge weight off of everybody shoulders. It just alleviated so much of the pain and the grief that they been

for so long and obviously Stephanie points out that this didn't make all the hurt go away. This didn't fix everything, but it did bring them something that they had been missing, and that was a sense of joy and hopefulness and because I specifically got the dog for Stephanie's grandmother. They I've heard the honor of naming it and Stephanie grandmother is probably like the most amazing sweet, little old italian woman. She decides she's going home depot. People. It is love it again, still calling it Pippo, but love the name and something that Stephanie says is very unique to people and pro. Really, what makes him the best fit for their families, specifically for what they were going through when they adopted him, is people it's really dumb, but not like in a bad way

like a goofy. Silly doesn't caraway he's pointers. We saw a small dog but he'll, like kind of lumber up on you and sit on you and he just loves without condition, and I love I like. I just love the story. 'cause people just seems like such a happy, go lucky pup and he's oozing, love and, of course, like my favorite is like the ending statements that property owners give me when I ask them about their profit, and this is a quote from Stephanie. People is a reminder that joy is simple and love at its core is easiest thing in the world we can do. He was actually when I family needed, acting the guiding light that let us out of a really dark time, even though so he had no clue which way he was going

So I'm going to put people in his story upon the Blague. I I absolutely love him. I love this story. Also put a picture of Pippo on the blog. Are male hippo, where his skirt and blouse or send me, send me a picture of hippo and I'll put people and people up on the blog in December is property of the month. You guys we don't deserve dogs, they make life so much better, already feeling better. After that horrible episode, I feel better not under event, but I'm going to go kiss Charlize knows I'm going to whoop his little nose and I it's going to help and you guys have a great holiday yeah. You guys have. I hope you have a wonderful Christmas. Happy new year, see you in twenty nineteen, see you next year. You guys.