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I myself am, I said: who is there he so loud, because man would be singing saw it?
science and everything, but why
saying he's, were I'm still looking and then get notified of my eye s authority?
Share. Love met her husband Bobby when they were both working at Baptist Medical Center in Brooklyn in the early eighties Cheryl. Was it
Terry AID and Bobby. Why?
dishes, and he used to aware has a certain way like
Everybody we're in the street where we even where it the opposite way, and I thought that was the king of Spain, where
I Didn'T- dare tell them, but that's what I was
in my heart. There s a key
you think Bobby when you first saw Cheryl
I thought she was a knockout.
When you started spending a little more time with Bobby. You know how
How long did it did it? Take you to realize that
we're getting serious about this man that this is someone that you didn't want to just be a fling that this is someone you wanted to do, spend your life with well
it wasn't right away like I said he was a little loud, but I like them. He made people laugh. He would think he was a jolly type of person. So I like that about him, and he
As somebody who I believe in there I could trust you know he was nice.
When Cheryl found out that she was pregnant, they started looking for an apartment where they could live together and start their family. I was like
well marital com, that dumping and lo and behold. One morning he came over to the house and he proposed semi and
said to me. He said you know we could go and get married in Jamaica and I was like Jamaica no way. I don't want to go to Jamaica to get married. Where do you want to go to Jamaica, but
I don't want to get married and make already knew I'd, be they propose Sidney,
You know he wanted to get me once he wanted you to be this way,
Bobby in those early days as a new husband and a young father,
life like was Cheryl in those early days of being a family.
I loved every minute of it,
come home from work. I had a halter. Can I will put it
man, I'm my jasmine
and I will be all over the place with jasmine, so it was great for me.
I loved every minute of judgment is she was just a joy
two years later, Bobby and Cheryl had another daughter, Jessica
Bobby would spend his days off usually Monday and Tuesday, taking the girls to the park.
What are the movies? He says he just tried to spend as much time as possible with them and then ten
years after Jessica was born
Cheryl found out the choose pregnant again with twins,
the aid and landless love? Well, when I say I floated on that day,
then in the two boys, Jordan ingestion was
boy? You know they were our main focus, I mean
If it came down to it, we would feed them and then, if whatever was left over really if it came to that Bobby, who is now we're
in the kitchen at a hospital in the Bronx, found a second job as a nurse's aide at night. He was worth
now the time
says he always found a way to spend time with the kids. When the boys got older, he coach their football.
Oh in baseball teams
help Cheryl around the house in any way that he could. She says he was a great cook, but
were aspects of their relationship. That bothered
She felt like they had trouble. Talking sometimes
we're being when I'm trying to discuss something with em and say why why I like that? What did I do anything? But did you know stuff like that, and you just shut down all you can say anything, and I wanted him to respond back to me and I would say you can talk so much about everything else, but now I'm trying to tell you about it. You know
Something with us and you can't do. It was no one on Bobby also had some court.
Chair. I couldn't understand, like the fact that he never wanted to be an photographs
For me that was where, because of catches, that's what family Doug you take, it is you and put he didn't want to do that.
Every once in a while. I get him to take a picture by lobbied in like to take pictures.
Why doesn't dismay unlikely pages, but I was one thing and I was
things sometimes when I wouldn't feel so. A second
it was very affectionate, but I mean asked trot
say that to my friends. Well, I don't see they said. Are you kidding me that man goes out to work every day? He comes home, he takes care of you, he buys you beautiful things. Cheryl, you ain't, you don't have no problems, you know so
Eliza said earlier.
Oh my light. Ok, you're right, you're right in London.
Anything think I see see any evidence of any cheating. Anyone with any family
was thinking. Maybe he has another family, maybe that's it and he's hiding it, and I would ask him and he would say: oh, please show no, nothing. No, no there's nothing like that and he always was
to me. You know
I am committed to you. I am a committed. His marriage
and I want to be here
so I just you know, lived
months away from their thirtieth wedding anniversary.
When, on January, twenty second, two thousand fifteen Cheryl her to knock on the door
I usually get up about six thirty, seven o clock and on one of my sons he had to get to school early. So during he was kidnapped, game prepared in you now getting ready for school is clear,
and I usually get up made me
The tea and everything
make sure he's up in what we do not do what he needs to do
and so ass
the kitchen making a cup of tea loud
not going to do a loud ma.
Who is above,
even said who is it he's laying down and who is it? This is two a and they said yeah. We want to a so
I go and I opened the door and when I opened the door FBI
New Nypd and guns drawn and
me and asked me if you don't know who he is, and I mean way about it and what I'm saying and like this
talk of it all you know and like I see
you know they won't. Let me get near Bobby he's getting you know up now and I see the cops
have you no talking to him, but the talk and loaded down a member. I don't hear anything.
One guys like you can be back, and so am I
What's Goin on was doin
is now looking at me, he's lad and though
I said nothing he's holding.
His head down. What is
This was an legacy.
It's like get back? You don't know who they said. You don't know who this man is
And even when I say it now, I can my heart beats faster, because there was something to hear like I don't know who he is. I don't know who he is, but then I could feel almost like. This is what
The general thinking all his time when you know there's something he hasn't been telling me this. Is it and I'm about to find out what it is, I'm Phoebe charge. This is criminal
oh boy. I said this. Is it
I was upset. I was angry yams everything
when the car
They're gonna surrounded me rose
men in bed, and they can put have
yes, my circle with three guys around me. Yes,
guns were in the house said. No man is no guns here,
and any one of them said. We say he had a good run along mine,
also, he said to me: what's your name and I said Bobby Love,
he said no, what's your real name, so I knew what he was in. A way was coming from with that. So I said what occurred is Miller,
He said yeah, you had a a good, a long run, a good run
and I stood there and then she would say
still trying to get some understanding of what was going on
I say to her. I showed this happened long before I ever met you.
She was crying
I started to face my children
they were crying and we always is crime. They allowed me to go into the next room and heard my daughter and heard my son Justin.
And then they walk me out.
Furthermore, we, I really didn't know,
He was arrested.
I don't know, but I'm telling you
Oh baby, I said you know. I really love you because
mom. I was not thanks.
Of myself and all I was not thinking of it. I was thinking about his
noticed. This is overwhelming for me and may take him away and
You know. He hasn't told me about
you think I'm gonna leave town,
Let him know, then, with him
Gonna be all right, I'm with you. I don't know what's going on, but I'm with you.
My wife would say
he had saved me because of their best
A case study
say yes, there's the woman working. I think he s a he has the rising visited.
Let there be how long and led her gave him. So I had job which you could be in the Gulf.
Still trying to homely bed, but always if he wasn't there in accessing,
You gotta eat something something
was giving him chocolate chip cookies and I eat these cookies eat the cookies, and I know they were looking at me like. Are you crazy? You said you can't talk, I said, but I just wasn't listening. I was just here Bobby
and I said he needs a cholera because is called out. The city needs wanna jacket. They listen
the jacket line
laugh about it now, whether funding
so surely you are just trying to take care of him
yeah the best you could at the moment, bread.
As he drove as they drove him away, our society
what is happening? What is what is really happening here, but it was almost
almost a relief too, because I knew that
this is what is spent all these years when he
sit down when I couldn't get so close at hand.
This is what it was. He was happy you know so
This is what it was all those years.
And even though I didn't know the whole story as it. This is part of it. This is part of
we'll be right back.
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On January twenty. Second, two thousand fifteen Bobby love was arrest
for a crime. He had committed. Almost forty.
Years earlier in nature,
seventy seven, when you
still known as Walter.
Miss Miller. What
Curtis Miller was born on November. Sixth, nineteen fifty
in Greensborough North Carolina, his father
I'd when he was nine and his mother race
in his siblings.
When he was starting eighth grade. He enrolled Gillespie Part
junior high, which had been one of the
for schools and North Carolina Desegregate in nineteen fifty seven. He remembers that on his first day
Some white students yielded him. This is
our school he says the year when ok, he liked math and art, and a summer approached he remembers,
bought a ticket to attend his first concert SAM Cook at the
in Spring Colosseum he was so excited
He pushed his way to the front of the crowd. Wherever,
was dancing. He was thirteen.
He also stay out here for two songs and he told the people. If you don't sit down his wont, work,
the stage which he dared car shoulder absurdity and I was arrested,
What did you showed at the concert? You remember.
I said SAM Cook, a shit I first added
I did it very loud because
walked out the stage you known as
when he won't does the savings
No, we feel like you,
Can I just say to help us
from there to watch waiting.
They woke me up.
Because the summons
This only turned up
they drove me home.
Came in houses.
Well once o clock in the morning
Actually I had now come my sister's wonder for open the door.
Amongst the tell me that I found the in house at a certain time.
I'm not going to get in there, so
done. My sister's went and she let me and my sister she
three is only these light. She said
I'll kill you.
But anyway I will go in and get in the bed. Then I just went on
Don't I me to do?
but there's someone who was a patent court daylight to go to this court downtown
it is totally ignored. All of that didn't go
us before starting ninth grade Bobby vomit
for stealing a woman's purse at the fair grounds and realising it had five,
dollars in it. He bought a new sweater.
Some new shoes and some records he said
They started to notice how often people,
left money unattended and he started
stealing from other kids at school
Oh, I'm stealing one
some guys. Pets in gene
Put your pants lacking, a lock is still left open.
Oh boy, you know it put my hands in something gas pocketbooks in Pakistan.
Seal their money, so I did it one day and I came back the next day,
during the same day,
Was one of the closets, so
down and say
the onerous. He was centre
thirteen months at a juvenile facility called the more
and training school. He says it was rough,
He couldn't wait for his mother to visit. He says he could
I'd when he saw her
when I say that I was gonna get out of here and what did you do?
I paid attention to the guards and how many God's work that night,
I had a tray
have you no exact away. Train was, but I hear that fossil on the train.
So my thinking was this
I'm gonna leave in the middle of the night.
I'm gonna run as fast as I can only street car
someone get on the side?
so you can see me again.
The train compares me
I went on
No one knows tracks were
my plan, my dear my thoughts were to get it.
Was train tracks and walked.
Those train tracks all the way up to the next sitting.
And that's what I do. Will you nervous
I was scared as hell
But yes, I got on those train tracks. Man and I ran a little bit.
The a arena where I want to love it.
And by the time it was time to get light. That morning
I was in the next city.
He knew he couldn't go home, so he took it
as to Washington DC where
Brother Raven lived soda
hey. There was call my mother.
To my mother?
I had come to DC.
So my mother, yet crops have been here see
he was concerned about you know was all right. You know like that. So
I told Raymond. I said Raymond. If I just stay here, I'm not going to get in no trouble like that. That kind of thing
We got a job at Russell Dover candies
the enrolled in high school again at eastern
school. He says the back, then
school had a special programme that place
Hence in government offices he applied.
He says he was given a job at the Pentagon filing paid.
And running errands,
twenty hours a week. He events,
he found a small apartment and when he was seventeen,
began living on his own. He sat
make enough money to cover his rent, but when he heard that
one of his friends, had gotten away
the big robbery. He asked if he could join
The next time
in January of nineteen sixty nine, they made a plan to rob Robber Pharmacy
It was inauguration day for Nixon and we
It was in our minds that, because of their own alteration day, there wasn t see what will be the many cops
places like Selfies Washington DC, where we were was going for this lobby.
I came out
I had the money, I had a gun and
I was ducking down running well, not really running, but I was trying to see whether any cops was in the area where I was- and I was coming between two two cars
one way and
I got shot from behind
In my view, the man behind
I really didn't know until the police
You put me in the eminent stuff like that, like what happened, you know
some said I got shot.
I'll be recovered in the hospital for almost a month, and then he says he was wheeled
right across the street to the DC jail. He says
The judge denied his request for leniency because of his previous record. He was convicted of
armed robbery and sentenced to thirteen months.
Center for juvenile offenders.
I've been learned nothing from thirteen months. There are spent
at the EU summit in Washington D C.
When I came out to do,
to. On the same day, Sir, Robin.
I would from down to Greensboro Berlin
We can. Some robberies came back to Washington DC. They mostly found
credit unions Bobby says they do
have to North Carolina because the sick
thirty. There was less sophisticated than in Washington DC in
unified in seventy one. He decides
to steal a car to make the drive when Bobby
three friends who had come with him arrived at the credit union.
Plan to rob. There is
a thousand dollars and the registers behind the counter
Something seemed off.
They drove away
trying to drive just at the speed limit, then they noticed
a police car following them and another one coming towards them Bobby says,
to police cars, turn their lights and sirens on at the same time, and he and his friends were arrested.
I was sentenced to twenty five thirty years there.
The twenty five to thirty years. I mean. What did you
You heard that you're being sentenced to twenty five to thirty years in prison
You have done little stints in youth facilities, but
What was that like, when you heard that
at the time you got out of prison. You would be far into middle age,
I started doing everything I could to get out
you know I made up my mind- is this: was it for me, I'm not ever getting any more trouble so
I join the Jaycees I star going to church.
I work different jobs. I worked in the hospital.
All that help me to me
I agree it is when you again shipped to minimum road camp somewhere.
So that's that's what I did I made up my mind:
criminal acts and stuff like that
you're being transferred to a few different prisons. Bobby was
placed in a minimum security facility in Raleigh North Carolina
He says he was allowed to walk around the yard and make phone calls
men every Wednesday,
cortisone radio show, and then things started to change,
He had been working in the office. One of his jobs was picking up the newspapers at the gate.
To bring into the office each day Monday. His super
Aye, Sir told him he didn't have to
in the papers anymore, but then, the next day, when he didn't pick up the newspapers, the guard at the gate,
brought him up ass, a man ass, a trip, you know what
to one person. Tell you one thing:
to deal with somebody else.
Didn't defend me on that, so they moved me for the job they moved.
Major the kitchen one morning. This captain
come across yard.
I see some nasty time
their Bobby was told.
That from then on he would be working on it
They put me on the road I said to myself
This is the last job
They don't give me because
I'm gonna get myself we'll be right
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They felt like he kept getting written up four things he didn't do.
More. He got written up the closer. He was too being transferred to a stricter facility.
So when he was assigned to one of the worst jobs Road crew cleaning up
crash off the highways it felt like the last straw. He says it was awful,
people would throw hamburgers and milkshakes at him from passing cars, part of working, rude crew-
involved being driven away from the prison on a regular basis and Bobby
began to pay a lot of attention to every part of how they were transported where
boss stopped and for how long? He
How does that no matter where they were going, the bustle
we stopped at a particular
Would it area Bobby
carrying a bag onto the bus in the morning
to see if the guards with Jacket
He noticed that the guard on Tuesdays didn't pay as much attention, as the others sometimes not checking.
His bag it all Bobby.
They began to get rid of his personal effects, anything
that had a phone number or dress of someone he knew and could be.
To trace him
He says he didn't want to leave. Any evidence had ever been there at all.
On Tuesday November nineteen, seventy seven two days after twenty seven birthday Bobby put on regular clothes under his prison, uniform he packed them.
He saved and reported for work and as soon as this guy he's on Tuesday morning
I'm gone. I walked it at day. I got on the bus, I said in the back and we went down this street. We got ready to turn open.
I adored that bus and I jumped off and I was gone,
Bobby says he ran into the woods and then he kept running. He asked for directions to the bus station. One man bought him a ticket and another gave him money Bobby remembers the man saying- and I hope you're not in trouble and then Bobby, got on a bus heading for New York. He says he figured he could get lost there. I would walk up and down the blocks all over New York. One day I was walking and I see a social security office and I walk in there and applied for a social security card and
When a lady asked me, if I may add a car before, I told ya, Know-
which was alive because I share the lady.
It merely part rival
This is great.
So they gave me in
feeling that I can
probably give me some idea from somewhere an arm.
Establish myself a bit better Bobby love.
Started gathering all the documents he needed to try to make his new life official and to find it?
that's the name out of a birth certificate typed
Bobby love and photocopy.
Until it looked authentic next,
He used the birth certificate to get a driver's license. He says he paints.
When at the DMZ, not to notice that it was doctored before
a job at a warehouse and an apartment
Staten Island HEAT
I'd be careful. He said
four waited for years before he felt safe, calling his sister Jean her know
but he was okay. He'd been worried.
Maybe her phone line had been tapped once
He says he was walking down the street in New York and someone started coming towards him. Yelling call
in one of his old nicknames from growing up in Greensborough Bobby.
He tried to be nice.
And get away ass soon ass. He could,
I also remember the time when he went on.
Several dates with a woman,
finding out what she did for a living and abruptly cutting things off
she sat on the Asian. I said you what
she said. Yes, I may be eyes measures come off a stake out at sea
come off a steak. I she's a year since,
look you up all I saw that you had a driver's license,
as a lawyer like TAT, so
What would I do my hair was there?
This is the last time on those c and call this lady
so that was it with her Bobby's,
he continued to date. Over the years
but wasn't really serious about anyone. It was hard to keep such a big secret and then he met Cheryl. He really liked her.
And he was very worried that if she ever found out about his past, she would leave him. Why
Bobby proposed to Cheryl. He suggested
They get married in Jamaica in part because the key
must have a plane. Ticket could explain
his family couldn't come, but cheer
one system that they have the wedding in New York when Bobby
older sister gene, to tell her that
it was getting married. She said I want to come.
I see you? Do
I say the horizon listen GINO soon, now,
my name is Bobby love. Ok, she say here I know gene drive up to New York with her son,
along with Bobby's brother and his wife sheriff
so that at the wedding they were awkward and wouldn't talk to her much. It was the first.
She'd been any of Bobby's family
but they didn't like me. But, as you know,
the story is now. I know why they treated me like that they were trying to keep a secret,
you know being loyal to him and that
Let me out Dalzell,
they didn't really know what to say to me? You know
when you eventually saw his arrest record. What did you think? I'm just gonna
myself. I said my god. I said you know
everybody? Everybody has a pass.
The second chance
by the time the FBI and knocked on their door in those in fifteen he'd, been
is Bobby love from
forty years he doesn't
exactly how we got cod after so much time, but he
a few months earlier. He attended
His brothers funeral.
Cheryl remembers being upset because it in one or two come
one of his nieces printed, his name in the funeral programme, then
Bobby Love, some
asked why he was using a fake name
Bobby remembers, he just kind of
push them off, but he think
someone at the funeral problem:
a family member put two and two
together and called the police.
He found out after his arrest
but there had been a reward out for him all these years.
That it hadn't changed since nineteen. Seventy seven,
two thousand dollars.
I'll be was sent to North Carolina to finish his sentence ten years at Mount
View correctional institution nor Asheville
He was sixty four. He wrote long letters to Cheryl an Cheryl
make sure she was near her phone every night
Six! Thirty, when Bobby, would call
She also started gathering statements about Bobby's character from any one. She
think of the bishop at their church, the kids football coach, her God, sisters
and when the time came
went to Bobby's, prove hearing in North Carolina and spoke.
On his behalf,
I've known him to be a good father, a good.
took my time and I told them the different things in it.
what he was to me in what he'd you know did that was positive in the community, and I say
in a way, because
I saw it as he rehabilitated him
cells by man
won t do anything
you know negative bear he
so I hear me he worked when three jobs
At a time
He took care of the children, he would help cut
He would do the shopping at times. You would do laundry. You know the world
anything that I would
estimating wooden do whatever
Carol said, seem to have an impact.
A little over two months after the hearing Bobby was really.
he took the bus to New York, like you done almost forty years before Blue was so excited them. One at all. I think I slept like ours always
Let's say I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait. I was like, oh, my god, everything has to be just right. I want the house smelling and looking beautiful. I want to be looking nice myself. I want the kids to look good. I want everybody feeling good. I said Lord thank you he's coming been home, just juvenile, just so happy, and so we got up. We were early, my son in law and my daughter. They lived in Harlem, but they had came over to pick us up in Brooklyn and we all were going to ride down there to meeting him, and so when we got about a bus station there at Greyhound the Greyhound bus, he came and we saw the bus, and
well, you got off. He got off
I only use as the ability, but when he got all my plan is he had this beard
that was Duval. Why did not work
first of all, we just loved on I'm in everything, is so happy your home and everything. So we all have waited his rest want to eat, but before we
my daughter, Red Jessica by the train station near anguish.
You saw him almost than he just didn't. I stopped laughing at B. It was so funny too, of course,
Cracking up everybody,
over to their house.
And cheerful says the Chin Bobby didn't have
a minute to themselves until late tat night when it was
the two of them. She says it felt like there
on their first state, they said
Couch together, not talking justice.
To the radio,
get angry at Bobby? Did you ever ask him why he
Tell you all those years if he loved you and entrusted you why he didn't tell you
I d idly. I said to him
So why didn't you tell me? I had already made up my mind. I was not going to leave him, but I did
say to him honey. You should have told me what you should have told me he said sheriff. If I would have told you you would have made me turn myself in. You would have said. That would have been the best thing to do and
but you know what you're right. You know me. You are absolutely right and I just said you know what I want a good marriage. I want my marriage, I don't want to be bitter, so I'm going to
started talking to Cheryl more about his past. He told his kids
they could ask him anything they wanted
and he's legally changed his name to Bobby love.
Bobby. What is it like to know that share all knows.
The full history now and knows the secrets that you hid for so long and still
you and still once
of course, to be married with you, but also to grow old with you.
It makes me feel good,
it makes me feel arm. I'm cared for
we have the same when we get up in the morning. That's one of the things we say to fill
You can search out each other Basle II.
Being kind to each other and been forgiven and love into each other and said
You don't feel like that all the time, but we need when you don't feel like that,
thing. I'll do I'll, just go into another room, sit down.
Someplace, maybe count, maybe
pray, maybe do some column and do something else and then come back and trotted spoke again. You know
That's all you can do,
yeah. He liked to take a nap when everything is out in the open. It always makes things better
Yes, it does
Oh, my goodness,
I am so ecstatic right now.
Right now we bore. I can speak for Bobby on this week
Feel like this is our seas.
B and Bobby can be his.
True, I take so and me too
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