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two beyond the sea, I'm way with Junior that's daily, show, corresponded designated and senior it'll expansion. Amy women nominated producer met a grin just guy added the title as you against region. We are talking this week about a beautiful, beautiful segment. Digital teen. It started as a digital segment and eventually expanded. to the actual linear broadcast. It's called Fox planes now, little bit later in the show, we're gonna be joined by a senior media reporter Oliver Darcy from CNN, but first role, the cliff

Jeanne Box NEWS for a hundred and fifty three our streets lacking in the low down, like all ready, considered to be the most rapid presidency in the history of the United States, if you thought Obama wearing that tansu with disgraceful increases, we take stock of Joe Biden, Merrick doctors, youth, illegal doktor, fallacy promoting Doktor shop company when medicine woman haven't been on tv and thanked him, and yet, if this country, we want to leave to our strange children to talk about what it means to fuck spleen desi met. Welcome to beyond the scenes. Man I'll start with you first, because I would say of everybody in our building of of tried to explain the way the daily shall works to people as this beehive of people all have different interests and responsibilities. You are the guy in the building. That watch is all the news supportable

it's not your department, it's not even your department, not even my job, but you watch it all. You watch Fox MSNBC see I'm pretty sure you watch black news channel at this point, watch shedder. Is that the one chapter, and we see all my millennials web only play shutter lot of PLUTO Tv, Lotta Kristen. Cast network if their various pack still on taxes. There we got the hacks. Also there's a really nice New Mexico correspondent idea. I kind of I got a little hook up to eighty guy Gimme a vip end. I can watch New Mexico local NEWS whenever I need to you all that stuff strain of my books that may issue he watches more than anybody at the shell hands. Where did this idea come from it in any way suggesting individuating nodded We started doing these fox planes things with Michael Casta. Another correspond.

and then one day he was unavailable and we were like does he can do it and as he has he alternated. He was just like waiting for my chance to get out on the bench waiting for someone to get sick I have another gag development get Tom. These Tom Brady, because drew Bledsoe got hurt during again ever forget disease. Our time, lady, ok, I don't know how much metaphors gonna hold up guys. I am nodding, like I know what you're talking about, but I am not an expert on our part producing runs. Romania runs the expansion of art and says that does he taking over from box planes, was the best scheduling conflict of all time. That figure I do. I agree it worked out the idea of it. If that's what you are actually asking, where that we felt that, like box, we getting crazier crazier s but like not only just in the election, but also after the election like come,

on this stuff about it wasn't it was beyond hydroxide clerk when it was beyond like cove, it is fake. It was like going into the craziest darkest places. I remember there was one day when it during the election. They were talking. Fox news was talking about Joe Biden and Ukraine and that the burmese my thing and they were like what about John carries nephew. What about Whitey Boulders cousin ass, like ass? It is Israel or not, and so we ve made a list of things like that that we're like Malea Obama's Spotify playlist, like things like that that would make no sense at all- are Eric holders then no account whatever and we're like this. We should just put us in a list and- and have someone just be like this- is the problem. What about Bill Clinton Jean Chat, history, Chelsea Clinton's Ip Acorn, dime Thrall enough

I didn't Clinton Steel Dossier, Australia, force what about Eric holders, Hulu Password, Lily Obama's Benbow, his head jazzy visitor logs, fake birds and that generally expanded to larger sentences, and then, when we did this with Desi, it was like we're just gonna pretend, as you ve been watching Fox NEWS for sixteen straight and is now explaining to you what is on Fox, because what be honest, our audience is not wanting Fox for good reason that number one regions like they care about their mental health and it will probably destroy you if you do it does you who is this character that you play the game? I think that's the thing where you will. Evidently I have two questions but first to you who is this character that your presenting who's, this news viewer that you believe, watches flax for six six days street or I can- and I guess I look at it like,

it's my own correspondent character, having been subjected to a deeply unhealthy amount of Fox news. Binge watching, basically, I we we started it somewhere around like I've, been been what binge watching Fox NEWS for seventy two hours and then I think it became seven days straight with no bathroom breaks and has like escalated, never sense- and I you know, I love that because when I first audition for the daily show an weave treated stories on r r dish in pieces before, but my original, you write a piece in an: u perform that peace for the audition and the peace that I rode at the time, and this is back in two thousand fifteen.

was a version of like a hybrid of Megan, Kelly and Gretchen Carlsson and all of the Fox NEWS Blinds outlining and the tiger I now that do not age. Well, it's desi dazzling, take care, expand on that well, I'm stand for graduate. I have multiple degree as they say nine different languages. One fourteen different beauty pageant Simon, proficient puppeteer silly acts survivor. I went to extend on your view. Oh no now it's self evident that time I and was leg. I thought that Thou was gonna, be my lane and then very quickly after we started, and twenty fifteen and Trump came to the front of all of this, and then he became the nano meant the nominee in them

as it at it. We really quickly realized like a week, there's a bigger beast here in the picture, and we have other things to be talking about. So I'm grateful that I wasn't necessarily cornered into that specific character, but ever since then we were gonna looking for a way to embody. The madness in the mania without completely betraying are correspondent characters, and this felt like a really cool container. To put that in case, it is a feeling right when you want. Fox NEWS. It's a feeling. It's one very specific feeling here like the sword with because it's it's kind of desi to me met seems like what would happen if you followed every brick. and you said yes to every possible thing that ever see suggested or presented, and you somehow start can now

In all of these nonsensical dots like in a way it's the it's, the Rainbow Quaid Character and Independence day who strive to explain the Alien lake concerned, it's a digital segment, and I think this is the part. This really cool about it, because when we were in unprecedented So these uncertain times, yes back when the daily show first was waiting into those unprecedented tat. We were Doyle, you know we already do a lot of digital content on the show that taught me a little bit more about like what are the different creator- freedoms that you had, because indeed

We don't have the constraints of time, nor do we necessarily have to follow a narrative that ties into something that Trevor is talking about on that particular night and also the way to it, and it has made me a little bit sad because I think quarantine has taking a working from home. I should say, has taken a lot of the energy out of that feeling of like I need to run down to like desi and rise office and be like. Can we Do something real quick eye on this on, like my phone right now? Ok, so then, to that point met you running all over the building, but then you can't because covert forty three Finally, here how

that change how you all produce these types of segments I had at first, I think when we were all kind of like are we gonna do stuff from home? Our people like out, isn't gonna, be weird and Fox means as Wanna things where we're like. This is actually perfect because part of, like part of being on this expansion team kind, Likud, a digital team with a little bit more, is that we are able to do things in a truly different way. That is, I sense of corporate, be like Digital first but like at the time. Tik Tok was getting really popular and we were seeing like a lot of things on Instagram and even on Twitter, that we're like people holding up their phones and just kind of recording themselves and being like. I gotta get this off my chest. So for me I was like really for our whole team. It was like, let's, let's do, that sort of stuff and Fox Means became Desi, has to grab your phone and start talking immediately about what you just heard. Janine Piero, say a too.

Sean Hannity, because this is out of this world. I remember there was one night I think it was before. Does you may remember that I think is before the debate, and it was this like there was this conspiracy theory about how Joe Biden, had it in your piece reckoning transmitted. There is like if this was a fine, news wrangling, his beard, eight your answers. Yet he asked Kennedy. The vanity aims are sadly answers like, as everyone knows, that's exactly what that's what you need to get the edge and a presidential debate and like Sean Hannity or someone someone was like putting this on Fox news. The Trump campaign was pushing it. Brett bear was even like yeah, that's a really interesting thing, and so, like I remember, I grab my phone and I found myself doing like a fox planes like proof of concept, and I was like this like anyone. the earpiece, and I like it. I remember getting down on it on my knee and I was like it's coming from carbon capture Nick Kneeling, bringing us obvious to transmit the signal and then like sent that over two desi, unlike does each just like do

and like did her own thing and like sent that back and like we probably did it in an hour which was like awesome for we don't need. You know we did We didn't need to be in the studio. We didn't need to have all this like preparation that went into it. Just like this is like happening right now. Let's get up before the debate and we did Joe Biden is wearing an ear peace. How can you tell because one year is bigger than the other, the ear peace is making a bigger That's why he wears the map to cover it up. It's a cover, where's, the earpiece. Getting the transmission from column Cabinet he's on. me with his best out to transmit the signal to meet that was kind of the benefit of working from home and embracing that sort of phone culture which has like just shoved. All of this, like people screaming and yelling into our faces, and and and instead of returning to a more civilised discourse, we were like, let's make it louder and embrace it

yeah, I think it's one of those segments like Roy. We ve had to adapt to shooting from home, and so many of the pieces you feel like I'm missing something because I'm not out in the world or we don't have a professional cinematography, get dynamic shots and you feel, like you, kind of miss a little something, but this one in particular almost feels lake. The messengers of the camera work and getting a little too close, sometimes and getting all hopped up actually works to feed the emotion of it because it like I had to get this

my chest, I dont have enough time to get into a professional studio and share this. I've gotta grab my phone right now so dizzy. I remembered there was one we were doing. I dont member which, when it was but like you, got really into the like getting close to the camera, and you are like tried you one, that's closer shady one. That's closer basically got you in your lives are like right upon the camera and you are like how many Cuomo are. There would have to accept that the sole, but it's like all you can see, is her face and, like you know, I've watched like internet videos of people, like that's kind of what is so yeah? My our poor viewers have gotten way to close into my mouth. They probably no more information and my aunt and asked about the health of mighty, and I apologise for that. Who was the one that said major league Emily B is just build them that the Erika so like we're. We did a box planes with. Does he or she said this- is when Major League baseball took the austrian aim away from you

just because of their voters, suppression, law, anger, desi line was, if you think about it and they'll be, is just being backwards. Three wine conservatives are progress to encircled appropriately pre. Conservatives need to destroy these businesses for opening up. Now, you don't need your writing with staff. In his country, major League baseball moved all something out of it. Ran panelled leave me alone battle and, like a week later, we are watching Eric Bowling. Who technically is a fox emeritus? Ok for the fact checkers out there for the Daniel Dales out there for the Glen Kessler out there, but he did historic, Fox and now he's like a news max, so he he said when you Nobody can really be Elam backwards and they'll be his backwards for, B, L l like did we do this.

Or so or are we saw in the mind of these cycles that day made the connection that we thought was dumb and they were like this is Jean? Do? Is there a joke that you think is too ridiculous? Now does he will you look at it? You just go now that debts that good would like. That was one of them at the time I was like. Oh, this is insane and then come to find out. He said, so yeah? I guess you know, I mean, I think, not lake. That's when I love so much about this segment. Is it really is about embodying a feeling of just like woman on the verge running on pure adrenaline conspiracy? Theory. like you know, maybe a little bit of a high mountain. And then here and then and then sprinkling and those little personal anecdotes, leg. I've been kicked out of whole foods more times than any blackberry

but I know or like you know, my husband's left me or my children talk to me, be racist. If it was the liberals who fired, hardworking black woman from her job search is the country of african american Legends, Martin Luther King Growth part more country of racist? How do you explain that I have been had done more than any black idyllic. We did work in a narrative. Tat was like slowly every episode. Another member These family lives under sets out very clearly saw had striven or her family yeah yeah problems. Do you and use a thing? Nothing elaborate corresponded to deal with from time to time on the show is the real world interactions with people after you, ve done a particular piece like I've done cp time enough to wear older black women will have thank you baby for their people. The latter people didn't know about that. Black perfectly does

the hidden history. Do you get more I'll, try to give a political leader the daily show fans who get it or do you run into more facts, fans who doubt and think you're on the team so to speak?. I will own- I would say, with I will say with this one in particular its it's hard to tell, because this came about during the pandemic. So I have not left my house because the show keeps making me bench Watch Fox NEWS and we ve been lock on locked down. You know, but I think that this is. This is one that that most of the feedback has been people who, like have watched, a not fuck snooze, to know that it's

for them and they appreciate that we captured something that it feels like Fox sort of runs on, and I will also say that I have family members that are added Fox news watchers and it's the one segment that they have not brought up to me so asked parliament They were like she's getting too close to the secret weak and we can get to know that that is We need that we need to do a severed behind the scenes, are just correspondence interactions with their family members: yeah, just a family reunions, it would be great if the people in your family, who do watch Fox end up talking you like at Thanksgiving or whatever, and there like by the way you heard that any basis he'll and backwards, and you like, I did then like one after the break. We're gonna get what were qualified journalism here, we're getting speak with Oliver Darcy Phronsie. Today this is beyond the sea.

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proud and open journalists in this time round and open journalist. Ok, you all cover a lot of the misinformation and conspiracy theories. They bounce around out there wind that turn what you know it, let let's let's go back in history with you first win. Is to work with claimed back over the blaze where you gonna swam in those waters professionally and then immediately you gotta witnessing it in, and then you and now the guy who takes a look back at that environment. Haven't you beat that When did you decide to make the transition? What was it exactly that was happening in the world with you? Personally, I think I started off there. You know I was always conservative growing up and- and so when I was out of college, know, working for Glenn backs conservative new site. What sort of was a cool thing? and I was so the promise of they're going to do

servant of news bet, like do good conservative news, you know like there are a lot of strong liberal websites out there have been imposed, for it is a good example of this, but they do solid news. Unfortunately, I think a few years into that I realized, maybe that's not exactly where what they were we wanted to do? So I made a jump over to our business. Insider now am at CNN, but it ain't debate has given me an interesting perspective, because I am very familiar with a lot of the key players in the conservative media. I know alive, I'm still. I talk to them and its. Allow me, I think, to really succeed on this, be when you see something like Desi, of course, is playing a character, but when you see people

in the real world out there. You know, I won't say quite tinfoil had waited with their beliefs, but when you see people you know basically going yet a vaccine and lizard people- men, you know, killer is emails and Joe Biden sign saw me crack last night. We you, when you see that type of stuff. What does it make? You feel with regard to what conservative media- has become won't. Desi segments are very funny until you realize that there are so many people who actually have those views and have had been told these thing and believe them- and so I think it's in all its incredibly alarming idle- I dont know how we actually solve this problem, because there are these incentives from whether its facebook or sulphur me out or just a Fox news or talk, ready

or whatever it is that all these incentives to put these things out there to mislead other people to give them what they want. The fielded content, the red meat that that really fires at the base and I'm not sure how we get out of it. So when I see people on on television, you know I was watching during clapper, for instance, went to that New York City, anti vaccine rally, recent it's funny because dizzy- and I said no, no, my body but like it is incredibly disturbing because these people have been sold Abyla good front from these dishonest actors who in many cases might not even believe this stuff there actually selling- and I we know, for instance, that in the Fox Control room as there are producing these anti mass second segments, now. There are worrying, masks right, the new posts as they put out these anti mass things and say: you'd ashen repeal your mass mandates. There were

to wear masks at the office, and so when you know these things, it is frustrating as hell. You can probably even connect a to b on some of these things, because on Fox they talked about like do. We really think the vaccine is safe. They might give you for Atilla T problem six months down the road who knows The people in the clever segment are saying the exact same things, so you know where they're getting this and its there's. No longer this like hypothetical, that's like! Is it bad? That box is doing this or is it does not have fun it's like it's actually horrible. These people are absorbing it in repeating it out immediately from your perspective, that must be like yet is the most obvious thing to see its actually really free, Turning to when we talk about like misinformation or people with vaccine hesitancy, every story almost that talks about vaccine hesitancy should mention Fox NEWS right. like a very clear thing: that's going on! It's not rocket science to make these connections like. There are so many people who who just don't I guess, maybe review foxes area compared. I don't know what it is, but,

they just don't want to go there, and you don't hear that actually, Facebook, you know they get a lot of. You know that they get alot of low back an end. They shook a lot of criticism, but you can at least make the argument that Facebook is doing something to kind of clean up their their platform, whereas foxes like intentional, profiting off of anti vaccine rhetoric great, like they are doing some. really really terrible things to society and they actually end up getting a pass a lot of time. It's really strange. Are you crazy about you desi? Will we would Oliver's talking about? You know like the people that clipper talking to her, obviously drinking the coolly, this being served up right wing spot. Is there a smudge of sympathy for people who have bought this horse? The people that you parity? Is there any sympathy in that? Or is it just this? What they believe

we just gotta, get the jokes. No, I think I have a lot of of empathy for people who are Bing all of their information from this one source that is peddling, lies and untruths and end, and people believe everything that they say and, in my opinion, one of the scariest things about Fox NEWS is that they they have a way of making. You feel like it is the only reliable source of information, and you cannot trust anywhere else and that's scary. I mean I Oliver. You can speak to this better, like that seen in does it to see it in leaving. James Earl Jones, to make you feel like your father, in Rachel S. If I get you listen into another network, always ever news network is a deep voice. Oliver, where do you think this political I'll tell you where I think, and you tell me from right or wrong

The political situation of the news and, like this debate, culture to me they were under you washed. The show too, I think it all goes back to debate culture on european, like mid too late nineties, where the light. If I'm not mistaken, I feel like sports candidates there was there, was cross fire and took repulsive. And what not Careful, but I really feel like this era, where an opinion is ratings. but somewhere along the way. We, the viewer, mistake, opinions for facts and research, while I think you need a separate for one opinion ends with propaganda right like we know, I think I think it's fine it a fox wants to have their conservative person, whose you know giving their their opinion on the news and at its base. In fact, I think that's, that's totally fine! That's that's part of a healthy political system. You know you're the conservative, maybe here the liberal you're someone else in,

make up your mind. The issue here is that they are not doing that right there, just inventing things out of thin air that that support their guy. Like that, it has a Stayin propaganda effort on behalf of these people to keep them watching this channel, and so I think that that's the issue there, they're not playing by any facts or any rules, they're just out there and it really really a truth versus fiction sort of thing. So I think maybe the cable news culture may have been born out of espionage, cable news us around long before you know I started covering it, but the new phenomenon. We're Fox is totally detached from reality. I am, I think, I'm not really sure where that comes from. Maybe has some ideas, but

its new, that's that's new within the last, I think even five years yeah either. I definitely do you complete a hundred percent false propaganda. Stuff came right at the end of the second half of the term campaign, the upper you got the nomination and then it became like none of these allegations about him sexually salting women are true. Obviously, that's not true. This man is perfect and once you cross that line, it's like cool everything is, is everything that's true is now false. It surreal to see it like become. I know that I can turn on fox at any point between seven and ten p m, and I won't hear something true and that's

so we really crazy because even six years ago you could turn it on in here something that was like bad, but you weren't guaranteed to get something that wasn't true. I on the cable news, culture thing I know this is like you know. This is part of your beer home too, but, like there's a lot of this element, I think Roy was talking about with like going back and forth. Like a sport, show you know embassy has made the press. They have these panels, that's like which lowries on their like that's not great ABC has Sarah is growing. Chris christie- that's not great, like CNN hired We makin Amy, though, like these people were were not good people, but they were allowed. They were getting pay aid to essentially say things that were not true and I dont really are not putting on a spot. By saying it was bad that we did that, I'm just pointing out. There is a problem with, as you said, not separating opinion versus propaganda, its remotely find it

someone a conservative on a new strain on me like, I actually think we should privatized blank and then the liberals has actually it's more efficient. If we run it like this and let the viewer decide that does not exist, there is no. channel that does that accurately right now, because the Republican Party has moved all the way into misinformation and propaganda? So all of those people who are bad actors are now when their presented as people who just have opinion, that's misleading and they should be labelled as completely false. None of this is true. Why are they evil trade? place? So then too, then, to that point, Matt and ass, you can shine in here. If you like is well. If there were overcome parties decided to in two ensure themselves in a lot of lies for the sake of popularity and staying connected to the base on Fox NEWS this case to keep the ratings going Got gotta sell what the people that you gotta show people what buying and they want right now they won't listen. Sharm lies the other side,

The window is as a news organization if you're ABC Nbc your singing in, do you just not hand anyone on from that side the line if most of the popular people that are going to be bringin ratings are also in lies, is it actually them saying this? Is it fair and ten lawyers running into your house to services, is it fair fair and morally equitable news? Is it fair and balanced to do that, or do you just have on the Republicans who were still more centrists for the sake having a balanced newscast knowing that it won't get you the same ratings, and then you should get cancer, cheese,

the man who wants to dig it was later and you guys are now? I don't know I'm just asking meant because another. I know the issue is dear putting lawyers I'd. I agree with you yeah. So then, do you just not have any one from that side represented within a debate, or did you get busy is that don't move the needle that make the show less electric I'm still here them on and call the mountain fact check them. the ices, like the living, only right right in general, the like a man and probably meant a cigarette. This private, In general, though, we ve seen people move away, from having the Kelly MAC enemies of the world on cable news. You generally do not see that sort of thing. I do think it is a thing that newsrooms discuss, though, because you don't want to shut off. You know, like you're, saying just want to shut off what someone who thirty percent the country may think represents their views, and I

there is actually something somewhat valuable when you have someone like that on, and you see their narrative just totally fall apart under you know some like persistent questioning from my deejay tapir right, like when he's doing an interview and and their narrative just falls apart, like That's a very valuable and I think to dismissal. Diamond other payment amulet around since President Frontal Bob Woodward the first week of February. He knew the corona virus could be spread through the air and that it was more deadly than the flu. But two weeks later, he said in a rally that corona virus was the Democrats new hoax. Is that acceptable to you is that misleading the public You're talking about the the woodwork book- yes, that would require all? I can do. I share with you my point of view PAMELA these. These got your books. No really

interest me that Martin John, the record is on where these these got your books. Don't really interests me that much bottom line, as he told Bob Woodward privately, that this was a deadly virus and that it was airborne. Didn't the public. Didn't the citizens in your home state of Louisiana deserve to know that as well, so that they could change their behaviour appropriately to protect themselves well number one pair MA. I'm not going to repeat what I just said, but all I can tell you what my personal experience he began or to let me say a word about about this infatuation in Washington with who said what to do? I mourn pretty quickly, a pair of senator I'm sorry, I'm not gonna. Let you do this ok. This is, I understand there is so much politics right now we're two months away from election, but this is life and death.

I think that's the proper way to do these. Things is not too. Maybe you know just allow them to come on and just share point of view, and it's a SARA Lee, that's back we inaccurate or not tell her to reality, but to actually challenge the lady do think we ve seen. You know I don't like making general remarks or white sweeping remarks by Think generally, the news media has moved away from having you know that the Kelly's on and if they are going to have them on really putting them. You know putting what they're saying under the microscope. It's interesting added two days ago, earth yeah. Two days ago, Nicky Hayley was on face. The nation didn't get like any push back about anything. She was saying about Afghanistan, even though it was a lot of it wasn't bad faith, But I do what I do see your point. I think people there

longer keenly machinations getting paid by like cable news networks. I think that's true. The point about pushing back is like so important because how many people can actually do that like in reality I'll give you Jake, Tapir, PAMELA Brown, you D, Jonathan Swan I'll, give you, I think many signs really good. I mean. Are there that many p who are a tearing Moran, had a good interview with Paris Denard on eighty see where Paris would impair sonorities a trumps border would not say that Trump lost the election and Terry for four minutes. was like just say it just say: have you just say Joe Biden, one Mariners like Joe Biden is that what brought you we did a video about. There's you remember this year like publicans admit that trunk, yes, Joe Biden legitimately, want twenty twenty election and yet, Strange phenomenon has arisen from the mist

public and mouths, and able to formulate these words watch this is it a legitimate election under our detention and loss yes or no Joe Biden is the president. The election was not stolen, correct. eurobonds. The President Republican seem to know that Joe Biden is the president, but How that happened litigants delivered Joe Biden to the White House. They think tunnel into the White House, like some sort of reverse, shall should do publicans believe in an that. He lit the dongle racial and select what those that's good questioning those people should be commended and just held up as examples of how to interview these people, but the reality is that, like most people can't do that or they choose not to do that, and I think the difference between this, the debate of, should you have these people on verses?

leaving them off comes down to our you'd? Have them on people who know how to treat them, and I don't think, there's more than like six people who can actually do that so that that creates this whole of of just bad bad interviews on the other side of the break. I want to get into that a little, More with you, Oliver an Desi Oliver. I need you to help me in desi on how we can stop misinformation first, what news media outlets due to stop the spread of misinformation. But, more importantly, how can we stop the spread of misinformation at the thanksgiving table? Organ us all that will do that in a minute Sonia undersea from semi conductor, shortages to the latest new crypto currency, odd lots as the podcast or we break down the complex issues, weird patterns and the newest market, crazy. It join me, Joe Wizened thaw in my co host Tracy Alloway

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answer effects of watching way too much cable news misinformation. Now we were talking about this issue and, by the way Rohingya say enhanced. It's like very enhance interrogation techniques like it aims, torture and watch Fox news. It legitimately, I suspect, zero dog thirty take should go. There will be talk about the misinformation in old Oliver before the break. Negro was talking about you know, unique reporters data gonna, give that pushed back. Is that the only thing that can help stop this misinformation There are a lot of things. I can help stop this misinformation. I think it really comes down to large. Companies enabling us, and so it is difficult to tackle, because it is not just one Avenue that misinformation is spreading on, so you have a talk, radio Avenue, which is he in its it's totally undercover? There are so many

but listen to talk radio for hours and hours a day, and you have hosts that most people, I've heard of war or are spreading lies across the country and the supported by companies like Premier radio networks, and we never talk about from your video networks and how they allow for this spread of misinformation. They can. if there is any profit out of it. So there are those that avenue than Theirs Fox news. That avenue then there's no even companies. I asked to companies at the beginning of the year, like Comcast, like eighteen, tee, my employer technically, you know like dish. Why are you carry channel like oh and you know why do you Mary channels, that spread vaccine conspiracy theories? Election conspiracy theories? so you have those tat, those guys you know to some extent responsible for beaming. channels into the homes of millions of people across the country, yah, monsieur social media platforms, which incentivize people to spread these lies by giving them. You know you if the more

read me throughout their the more engagement you gadgets and and the more you, profile, builds right, and so there are. so many different issues here. When we talk about the spread of this stuff there, there a lot of directions to go in and in that that really actually make me extremely pessimistic and in terms of solving because I saw it, I saw a tweet from Jason Abruzzi, whose another media reported NBC. His tweet was like it's almost impossible to talk to someone who doesn't have a family member who has been affected by misinformation at this point, and I think that over the past, like six months, that has become clear to so many people that there is someone out there,

in your family or in other people's families like in a way that is more extreme than ever, because of what Oliver was just saying. Talk. Radio is like this thing that most of us, don't even think, is real because we don't drive in New York and so and we're not republican. So we don't have that on. It hits millions of people and its way worse than what's on Fox, it's completely unchecked and there's no accountability when I used to do road troops is a standard comedian and I'll. Do like like a midnight to five, a m drive back to Birmingham. That shit is Wild West radio like alien shows their psychic shows the dinners politics somehow woven into all of that. How how do we connect with the family members that are being that kind of buying into this What's your move, I it's. I don't have the answer for that. I would I did

I find myself in conversations that I wish I didn't start and I find myself having like a really enlightening conversation, sometimes with family members who have a different set of beliefs. fortunately, most of my family members, who are republic again and have watched Fox NEWS or do watch Fox news are of the belief that that the vaccine works and covert is real and they're, taking it seriously Oh, thank God for that, but like yeah, I I tried a lead with under at trying to have an understanding of where they're coming from and its route, but it's really hard to get on the same page with someone who just believes the information that there being too

in their only trusting one source. If you, if you're only getting your information from one source and everyone else is getting information from somewhere alley IE, you can't you do you're dealing with the different set of facts. Lesser until you can acknowledge that need there's not much growth. That's an issue too because like if we're having a bay right, I we I agree that the New York Times is probably an authoritative outlet that establishes basic fact. The issue is that, if we're having a debate with someone who watches Fox and listens to talk, radio, none The authoritative outlets are going to have any sway with them. In fact, if this, if CNN reports, Then they will probably be conditioned to think well that if the opposite is true and

that's the issue- and this is actually where it would be helpful- if there was a trusted conservative news organization right- that these people would understand in or at least listen to- but sadly there isn't these days are the ones that more responsible than hollowed out and they're. Just you know rightly Iraqis of the economics evidence in that's the other part of it will be given to the corporate capitalistic part of media always in Harris to one up Fox news if they're gonna get there, but they like day. Not only are the Democrats lizards, but their venomous, the lizards like they have who here at five, we don't say they have venom in their lizard tongues. Ok, we're all that

option headed use through their venomous leaves no old beaten by Jens Saki. You will die in six to nine days from the venom that comes out of various no profitability and sensibility and media right now, the least not from the right, and I think that probably one of the big Issues- Oliver have you as much as you are willing to share. What are your interactions like with your family from then to now in terms of your affiliations with media, the types of story did you cover, do you get family members that are like put? Are you the one pulling family members to the side or you are or you the one that gets pulled to decide? Actually, my family's not very article, sir. I actually leaders think it's her. That they have someone who's on CNN

wherever it was so that that that's the Good NEWS, but I do know a lot of people who who have been sucked into this alternate universe, and it's I mean it's really difficult to have conversations about politics anymore. Now you know it's it's expanding beyond politics, because this is really a lifestyle choice, and so it can be extremely difficult to just see eye to eye on basic things. At this point- and I wish there was a solution- I wish there was an antidote or a vaccine for this stuff, but they how they wouldn't take it anyway, gonna take it anymore. I don't know what the answers I feel like, I'm always most pessimistic person in the room, because I think this stuff is is really too american society and I watch every day. Matt watches everyday. Does he watches it every day? I don't know if he wants it of China

Well, it's when you watch it every day, and you know that these people are peddling. You now total bullshit like it is very, very aggravating Ike and there's only on so many media reporters out there, like that, like quite frankly, we cover Washington, D, C, we hold those people to account. More than we hold, the Fox NEWS is and the Ripper Murdoch's to account, and I think that I've been saying that needs to change like that. That is, that just outdated Rupert Murdoch has saw much more power than some random congressmen. Like Marjorie Taylor, Green, like we need to be focused, refocusing is currently on. The people were actually trolling a dialogue and incentivize in the larger Taylor, Greensburg suggest, focusing on on the surface issues, we have a clip of Fox NEWS personalities. the Arab saying some horrible things about refugees,

in the past few days that I feel like very similar to how like ours, Remy like watching this stuff is, like so enraged, isn't really our responsibility to welcome thousands of potentially uninvited refugees from Afghanistan. It is extraordinarily expensive to resettle refugees in the United States. Resettling in America is not about although a humanitarian crisis, it's about accomplishing an ideological objective, two change, America. If history is any guide and it's always a guide, we will see many refugees for Afghanistan resettle in our country and coming months, probably in your neighborhood and over the next step. that number may swell to the millions. So, first we invade and then we're invaded. It is always the same feeling that such a perfect example like white supremacy on Fox NEWS. We do watch every day and like it's, it's hard to just watch it and be like got it. Ok, we're invaded got it wiser responsibly, got it like when you want. Do you like

there are so many people believe that this is so like either take breaks watching that stuff, and it's not it's like its truly, not enjoyable to do them as cobbler, just then just bade me. Scared at refugees are good. How much does it cost of Wang Lighted, devil man? If you want If you took a normal person right and someone who smarten and act like if you were to force them like desi theoretically, does too just only watch this stuff into only consume this kind of content liked. It is very likely that they will start believing that stuff like it. It's not it's. It's very likely like it and they can be a small person outside of of politics be like an engineer, for instance, I'm really get math, but but when there assuming this, this political stop like it. You can see how you could see the math works there, and actually sound so sure of themselves here right specifically that Tucker's like if histories and I'd and it always is that's like- will that's kind of that

grew rather than that they had always everything that due to just say something always is really hot days, and I write about there's. Yes, of course, they also like. Why are putting all of this, like all this false patriotism around it and like the worst way, which you obviously since nine eleven has been like kind of like slowly. Growing more flags in the background and everywhere, but it makes you think like if you disagree with this year, like kind of unamerican and that gets the people are always talking about these, like people who may be Dont want to let the news all the time if they wanted there like why maybe saying that if they were not patriotic, like that's the that's, how you get those people in the middle or people just who aren't super aware? What people maybe don't realize is that, like the Fox NEWS power, time line up now is so much more extreme. That was like ten years ago, like you know outside what you think about bill or like he was like not Tucker Karlsson like TUG Karlsson, is like main lining. You know talking points basically from info wars like

stuff used to be relegated to really far we're corners of the internet and now it's being sent to millions of Americans nightly on Fox and just think people, don't I understand that, like the Fox NEWS, we're talking about now, is so much different than the Fox NEWS from ten years ago Makes it so addictive for people, because I know people who will plan their entire day around Fox NEWS programming? Why why do people get sucked in in the way that they do? Unlike other news platforms, I logged on lemon, but I'm not love out see ya. Later I gotta get home yeah. That's it inside the awkward. I think it means the country is like going to hell and there are people. You know scary people coming to invade the country. You know and you believe this staff, which they ve, been condition to believe this stuff over hours

where's hours and days of programming weeks in of of listening to folks, like this, like you think that the situations vary dire and you want to hear a truth. Teller like took a girl's, unlike its it makes sense right like if you can get very easily sucked into this,

universe, where, like you, need to know the truth and tuckers only one delivering the truth, and it's like a extremely urgent situation and that's sort of what it's like on fox right. That's exactly what I was going to bring up a little earlier, that in talking to other family members, that I don't see eye to eye on politically, but I've often found is the consistent. The consistent you know thread between all of them is some degree of fear and self purse and self preservation. So I feel, like my life is not where it needs to be, and I feel like this politician or this network has the solutions that will make some of my problems go away. So that's what I'm going to lock in on and anything that you're talkin about, even if it's better for mankind. It might not be good for me personally so because of that screw everybody,

and I'm going to lock you in and watch this show. Like my family, you know I have people that you know they were working. You know well through the pandemic, and it was something that you know we didn't all the way at my aunt. My uncle is this sounds crazy. My uncle was still openly dating and my uncle is vaccinated now in ware mass and I'm like dude, you can't just be out dating, on a regular. This is like last summer. when on dates these are literally strangers and Davis, intimate to which my uncle said quote, I wear a mask, but if we have sex, I'm taking it off we could talk about that on this report was originally a sex position, which is what we can go on about this all day. But I want to thank you, Oliver, a coming on and being a part of this you so much and I will said the demon

are for reliable sources on CNN and damage. It is Oliver time Negron unexcited to see that. As always, Matt. Thank you and Desi. Thank you as well. If you want to watch desi segments that we've been talkin about here on the podcast so eloquently for the last I guess I was in our daily showed calm, slash, listen to the daily show beyond the sea or apple pie, gas, the radio or whatever you get. Your back go even further. Beyond the scenes jacket video version of beyond the scenes on the daily shows you two page. We all felt left out and for people who moved it

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