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It's hard to understand. Now, the stories you haven't heard, as those who knew Robert Durst best speak out. I hope and I pray. That when all this is done, we all get answers. And hear his own account. Of his strange life. The reclusive millionaire spent much of his time on the road. So where was he? What was he doing? Who was he with? - What is a guy of his wealth doing? - Hanging out at a homeless shelter soup kitchen. - For decades, suspicions, questions, raised anew on the series, The Jinx. Will there finally be answers? - Bob didn't kill Susan Berman. The twisted trail of Robert Durst and the mystery that haunts a mother. - Karen, where are you?

Definitely in the mix. He is in the mix. I'm Lester Holt and this is Dateline. Here's Keith Morrison with Robert Durst, the Lost Years. There is a letter written decades ago. A prophecy? a warning certainly. A doctor writing about a very troubled 10 year old boy suffering from hostility issues. Sufficient to produce... Personality decomposition, and possibly even schizophrenia. The trouble, little boy? His name is well known... Robert Durst.

Her the bizarre saga. The subject of several Dateline episodes and the star, though not in the way he intended, of HBO's The Jinx. But do you... Does anyone know the truth about Robert Durst? The story behind the story. The revelations we encountered, the personal account he wrote and we were given. Which have led us into a very weird place. The lost years of the infamous Robert Durst. The tale is like quicksand. Knocks you in. Bob is endlessly fascinating and always surprises me.

Certainly elusive, mercurial, sometimes desperate, always in motion. We track him, his descent, his strange detour off the road, off the grid, a life that's that no one, not even his family or close friends, could fathom. He has a good heart inside, I really think so. We begin with two people who knew and loved the man they called Bobby, godfather of their son, close friend of more than 40 years, long before the rest of the world heard him. When did you meet him? We went to high school together. Stuart and Emily Altman spoke to us after Durst was arrested. There's still a side of Bob that's not a monster. You know, he has a heart, but it's caused me a great deal of conflict and I can't get my head around.

Is whatever happened to Bob. It's hard. The Altman shared personal photos. And the story of Bob they've lived and breathed starting with the family disaster that tormented him His mom committed suicide when he was seven years old and he was a deaf child. Devastating experience for Bob. Compounded by Bob's strained relationships with his brother Douglas. His father Seymour. But then in the 1970s, Stewart introduced Bob to a young woman and this whole twisted tale. Was set in motion. Floor and Kathy was living on the third floor and Bob owns a building. Come and collect the rain. Cathy was Cathy McCormick, Stewart's young and beautiful upstairs neighbor.

He was like Prince Charming and the princess. Kathy was the love of his life. - But it didn't last. A few years later, the Albans watched their prince and princess grow apart. She became more independent. It wasn't the fairy tale anymore. No. In fact, Kathy's brother Jim told us it was more like a horror movie. There's a dark side of Bob that... You know, it was fairly well camouflaged when they were first, you know, going out and getting married. But it escalated ultimately into psychological abuse, economic abuse, and physical abuse. Remember that... Doctor's letter warning that the 10-year-old Bob suffered from severe hostility issues. To her friends, including Ellen Strauss. Evidence, she said, just in case. Peace.

Kathy warned all of us that if anything ever happened, look to Bob. Bob did it. Don't Let him get away with it. - And then in 1982, Cathy Durst disappeared. How did he take it? It's Bob. Um... You know, he asked if we had seen her, if we heard anything, if we knew anything. But they didn't. No one did. Typically, almost detached in his demeanor. You know, almost, I don't know nothing, I don't know anything. from the outside. That Bob denied any involvement in Kathy's disappearance. At the time he was careful to distance himself from investigators, New York Times...

Quarter Charles Bagley has covered the Durst real estate empire for more than three decades. And when Kathy vanished, said Bagley, Bob's protective friend Susan Berman, a name you've probably heard of, became his unofficial spokesperson. And Susan would call back and say, Well, Bob's, you know... Really not feeling right right now. I'm gonna handle a lot of this. Bob himself was pretty much incommunicado then, but we have obtained this. His own account, his version of things, which he wrote later. Here's what he wrote about Kathy's disappearance. After you're done with the video, you can click the link in the description to subscribe to the channel. My wife Kathy left. My compulsive use of alcohol, drugs, and food changed from an infrequent problem to a daily He didn't come into work for about two years. Later, when Bob began showing up at work again.

He wasn't anything like a buttoned up executive. He enjoyed smoking pot. In a social situation, burping and farting, because it disturbed-- people you know any like to watch their reaction so these stories about misbehaving peeing in a waste basket or something that is peeing in a waste basket all of that it gave pause To the family. And it was no great surprise. When the family patriarch Seymour Durst chose Bob's younger brother Douglas to run the family business. Did he really think up until the point where Douglas was picked that he had a shot at it? He was groomed for it. It's supposed to be his job. He was upset. It had a devastating effect on Bob.

- And that is when the little known and reclusive Bob Durst went off on his own to embark on a strange new life. Wanted to know is how and why trouble seemed to be his traveling companion. - Return more mysteries and more questions for Robert Durst. - And a peek at his new life on the Lost Coast. - I think he wanted to be a cross dresser and maybe he was experimenting with it. Do you know what I mean? Hanging out at a homeless shelter soup kitchen. Wait a minute. He bought a house. He hangs out at a homeless shelter? They call this place the Lost Coast.

Mystical corner of Northern California where Bob Durst came to what get lost himself It was 1995 after he was dumped from the company, 13 years after Kathy disappeared. Bob walked into the office of local real estate broker Gene Davenport. He told me he was a writer for the Wall Street Journal. He said he wanted to have a place of ocean view. Nearly $400,000 in cash for a big family house in the town of Trinidad overlooking the Pacific. Where he lived, like a hermit. Nobody really seen him around, he never really had a contact. Didn't really have any best friends. In that personal account of his, he explained why. Bye. I hated to have more than a brief conversation with someone because I immediately found myself being asked What do you do? The true answer was Nothing.

I live off the family estate. Which was true enough, but he wasn't exactly idle either, said author Matt Birkbeck, who followed the Durst case for old for 15 years and wrote a book about it called A Deadly Secret. Bob Durst was buying other properties, he said, but some of his choices didn't seem to make sense. We're talking storage facilities and PO boxes. I mean, he'd buy one storage place or something? He'd have an address and the address turned out to be a storage facility. And what's he doing with all these different storage facilities? The main town near Trinidad is Eureka, where we discovered Bob spent quite a bit of time in a second-hand clothing store, primarily... For women. I think he wanted to be a cross dresser and maybe he was experimenting with it. Do you know what I mean? You always came alone, said Chopkeeper Cake King.

We'd buy something pretty plain like this, you know, nothing real, you know, so. It wasn't outstanding. And then he would get a skirt, you know. And try to match it up, you know, and most of the time he couldn't. So I would... And helping match. Kay had seen her share of cross dressers, but there was something different about this one. He wanted to be somebody else besides Robert Dersch. Which might explain another untold story of those years. So far unexplained habit of frequenting Eureka's seedy side. A, it was a homeless shelter soup kitchen. Wait a minute. He hangs out at a homeless shelter? He's hanging out at a homeless shelter. But, said Charles Bagley, he was also restless.

He was in constant motion, whether he was here in Texas or California or in Europe. Or Los Angeles, where he'd look in on Susan Berman, who, you'll remember, spoke for him after Kathy disappeared, and was now trying to make it as a Hollywood screenwriter. Felt were very tight. This is Susan Berman's friend Kim Lankford. She was very protective of Bobby. Susan lived in a slightly run-down cottage in LA's Benedict Canyon and Occasionally Bob would stop by, but soon he'd be gone again. Back to Trinidad where he'd question his shuttle driver, Ross Vitale. He would kind of specifically ask questions about...

The sheriff's department been out here, you seen anything going on? And in 1997, while Bob lived here, something did happen. A local teenager named Karen Mitchell vanished after leaving a women's shoe store that later Bob was known to frequent. By the year 2000, the case was cold. But that of course is when across the country in New York, another case was suddenly hot again. The investigation... Into the disappearance of Bob's wife Kathy, reopened by Westchester County DA Jeanine Pirro, who later became a TV host on Fox News Channel. I had an instinct... Everything about this reeked of murder. We had evidence that she was battered by him, which he has since confirmed. It's clear to me that he killed her. - investigation was supposed to be top secret. But as we know, Bob Durst found out. Yeah, he seemed worried. He did. And that'll do it.

One of Kathy's friends, you've met her, Ellen Strauss, offered the cops a tip. Lease to interview his best friend, Susan Berman. I showed them all my research. I felt Susan Berman was the key, always did. - And the police did plan on interviewing Susan Berman. The problem was... They just waited a little too long. - Coming up. Did Susan ever tell you that she was afraid of wrong? She did tell me she was fearful of him. My first thought was, Why didn't they listen to me?

What were they waiting for, Godot? When Dateline continues. Conquerors are made of different stuff. When the waves come crashing down, they beg for more. When the drop-off sinks beneath them, they grit their teeth and dive head first. To another's quiver, conquerors stare thrills in the face with steely eyes of determination. Soaky Mountain Water Park, Sevierville, Tennessee. The mountain. Season passes available at SoakyMountainWaterPark.com. Seeking the truth never gets old. Introducing June's Journey. Free to play mobile game that will immerse you in a thrilling murder mystery. Join June Parker as she uncovers hidden objects and clues to solve her sister's death in a beautifully illustrated world. Set in the Roaring Twenties. With new chapters added every week, the excitement never ends.

Download June's Journey now on your Android or iOS device, or play on PC through Facebook Games. By the autumn of 2000, Westchester County's... Investigation of the missing millionaire's wife, Kathy Durst, had been chugging quietly for months. When the story broke, Durst found himself in the media glare again. 18 years since Cathy disappeared, and public opinion, he wrote, turned against him unlike before. In 1982 The tone of the publicity was of a scandal about a rich schmuck who had a terrible marriage. People did not distance themselves from me because of it. In 2000, I was a murderer who everyone disliked. Of course, Susan Berman had kept the bad press at bay back in '82, and now in...

Investigators wanted to talk to her. And what did Bob do then? He got married. Not to Susan Berman but to New York real estate broker Deborah Cheriton. That wasn't a marriage made in heaven. That was... Clearly a marriage of convenience in that this is Bobby does saying in the event Well, of course, that's just an opinion. It was a love match, but it did come with spousal privilege, which meant Deborah didn't have to talk. To the cops about her new, wealthy husband. She also reportedly got access to a substantial share of his money. - Deborah doesn't do anything unless Deborah benefits. - That's a character. - That's a reference I'm not sure I'd want to have. - She is a savvy businesswoman. Out in Hollywood, Susan Berman was struggling to make it as a screenwriter. Things weren't quite going.

As well as she would have liked with her career. For years, Susan had relied on Bob for help, and he responded, sometimes with big checks. Were $25,000. There was some macabre of kind of kooky energy. That went on between them. We got some unique insight from a woman who claimed she was Susan Berman's closest confidant and therapist and psychic. Her name is Barbara Stabener. And she told us she knows what Susan was thinking. In fact, she gave the police many hours of her recorded conversations with Susan, in which during those last months of 2000, according to Barbara, Susan. Grew increasingly worried. Did Susan ever tell you that she was afraid of Robert? She did tell me she was fearful of him because I had the feeling she felt...

...afraid of him because she was afraid he would withdraw any help. More than that, said the psychic. Susan was afraid of Bob, she said, because she knew too much. She knew his secrets. - 'Twas the end of her life. She was very agitated with him. Would he save her? Susan didn't know, said Barbara. And then just before-- In Christmas 2000, she said, Susan let her know that Bob was on the way, with money. He said, I'll bring it. And that's what happened. But I can't believe it. Prove it. LA cops have long suspected Bob did go to Susan's house in LA. To bring her more money, to prevent her from talking, ever. We do know from flight records. And Bob's own personal account that he did go to California. Christmas 2000, Robert Dershowitz.

On the move again late December he flew here to Eureka California he Owned a house in this area for several years but had recently sold it. He wasn't coming to stay here. He got a car, got inside it, pointed south. In Bob Durst's own personal account he notes a visit to Garberville, 600 miles from Los Angeles. After that we can't follow his trail. We do know that late on December 22nd or early the 23rd, Susan Berman was murdered by a bullet to the back of her head at her home in LA. And on the 23rd, flight records confirm Bob took off... From San Francisco on the Red Eye to New York. And soon after, this letter, postmarked December 23rd. Showed up at the Beverly Hills PD. - I call it the cadaver note. - Oh yes, the famous note directing police to her body, a note likely written by her killer.

Word of Susan Berman's murder traveled fast. It was like, oh my God. I mean, and my first thought was, why didn't they listen to me? Interview Susan Berman in a timely manner. What were they waiting for, Godot? Susan Berman's memorial service. And a few weeks later he surfaced in Galveston, Texas. Another good place to get lost. Except of course. Trouble, eventually found him there. A killing, a dismemberment, and an unforgettable acquittal. acquittal. We all know the story, but not this version. Coming up, did Robert Durst rehearse telling the truth? His wife and friend.

Smuggled a little cassette tape recorder into the jail. He would then discuss with them whether or not he sounded believable with the story that he was telling. >> At the end of the highway to Galveston, Texas is a roadside. Call Zero it says, this is where Bob Durst went to vanish. He had actually moved here just weeks before Susan. Berman's murder and initially he was not a suspect but he took pains to keep himself hidden as he told his friends the old Nobody would be looking for a Robert Thurston, a $300 a month apartment under an assumed name. The name of an old high school classmate named Dorothy Seiner. Hello?

In his log he wrote he didn't like wearing a wig. It itched it got in my eyes unless it was on tight which made my head sweat. But... Bob told over the years believes author Matt Birkbeck doesn't tell the real story. Certainly not the face of the world. The infamous killing of his elderly neighbor, Morris Black. Or Bob's activities in Galveston and elsewhere. It was really strange, you know, him in black, palling around in Galveston amongst the homeless. So what is a guy of his wealth and his family's... Influence doing stealing identities. In fact, in the spring of 2001, at the same time as he, as Dorothy Seiner, was living in Galveston, he rented another room. In New Orleans under the name Diane Wynn. We found the place and... Old landlord Michael Ogden.

Small brassiere, a wig. He lived on the top floor, and the neighbors often saw him wearing women's clothing. And the drag queen. He was just in disguise. - And then he'd fly off somewhere else. California, Connecticut, always returning, as he carefully noted in his personal account, to that downmarket apartment in Galveston. In September 2001 he shot Morris Black, accidentally and in self-defense, he claimed. Dismembered the man and threw his body parts into Galveston Bay. Here's how Durst described it. Jack Daniels, marijuana, bought bow saw. Bow saw not deep enough. Returned for bigger bow saw. Could not use saw. Went back...

First looked at electric saws, bought axe, did it. But Matt Birkbeck believes Bob's claims about the killing were attempts after the fact. To sanitize what the evidence suggests was a brutal murder. And if you look at the autopsy report, it shows that Morris had been beaten severely in the upper torso and even perhaps suffered a heart attack. Something else was going on. - After his arrest, Bob called his friends, the Altmans, and tried to explain what happened. He said he went to the fugue state. It was an out of body experience. I... And... It's hard to understand. - Charged with murder, Bob Durst also called his new wife Deborah Chariton, who helped arrange 300,000.

In cash for bail, which he promptly skipped, got a car and travelled the country, sometimes using Morris Black's ID. It was weeks later when they finally caught him, shoplifting in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Well, more than $38,000 in cash was in his car. Ones visited him in jail. Pretty much was going to do maybe suicide by cop. But Bob of course didn't pull that particular trigger and was sent back to Texas for trial where his Houston attorney Dick DeGuerin devised. The defense that beat the murder charge. -It was a simple case of a struggle over a gun, and the gun went off. It truly was self-defense. Then what happened after the killing?

doesn't change that. Bob wasn't so confident he'd get off. In fact, he asked his friends... To help him learn more about what life behind bars would be like for him. He thought that... If we got to know the ins and outs, that maybe it would be easy for him once he was on the inside. He worried about how he'd hear his favorite music, for example. He was trying to find out if maybe there was a radio station he could buy, so that if he were in jail he could have music that he liked. Bob knew his chances of acquittal... Depended in large part on winning the jury's sympathy. So for that, he went on a crash diet. - Bob was trying. ...to use every way within his power to look frail when he was on trial in Galveston.

Went to considerable trouble to practice his testimony as presiding judge Susan Chris learned later from recordings taped in the jail. He had his wife and. And smuggled a little cassette tape recorder into the jail. He would practice. His testimony, sneak the tapes back to them, and then discuss with them whether or not he sounded believable with the story that he was telling. Will the defendant please rise? The Altman said Bob was convinced, 99.9% certain, that he'd be convicted. Will the jury find the defendant, Robert Durst, not guilty? The jury? It took five days to save him from 25 years to life in prison.

Though he later served a little time in federal prison for skipping bail and dismembering Morris Black. But by 2005, he was a free man again. Now the only person who could catch Bob Durst was... Bob Durst. Coming up, caught off camera and seemingly off guard on the jinx, did Robert Durst confess? Why did he give that interview? What he'd be able to show is not a horrible person. When Dateline continues. Seeking the truth never gets old. Introducing June's Journey. To play a mobile game that will immerse you in a thrilling murder mystery. Join June Parker as she uncovers hidden objects and clues to solve her sister's death in a beautifully illustrated world. Set in the Roaring Twenties. With new chapters added every week, the excitement never ends.

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Condo board president. Was 67 by then and seemed to have done away with his cross-dressing. His days in quiet of eccentric isolation. But then the Durst story went Hollywood. A movie called All Good Things was released based on Robert Durst's life, played by Ryan Gosling. It was directed by filmmaker Andrew Jarecki. Bob liked that movie. And that's why he got involved with Jareki, I think. It was to offer his side of the story that Bob sat for two long interviews with Jareki for what would eventually be a Will he become the HBO series called The Jinx. - I begged him not to do it. I begged him not to do it. - Why he did it, only Bob knows.

What did he think he would get out of it? I thought he'd be able to show that. He's not a monster, he's not a horrible person. person. Bob watched the jinx. The same time as everybody else did. And according to Jarecki, the filmmakers had given evidence. To the authorities two years before the show aired, which to Bob's attorney, Dick DeGuerin, meant the show was far from objective reporting. They edited probably 50 or more hours down into a few minutes. And it's, and I think the editing job was designed to make him look bad. But it was a Simple comparison of handwriting samples that on its own seem to condemn Robert Durst. It was episode 5 of the Jinkx series in which a left hander he admitted sending to Susan Berman was compared to the infamous cadaver note her presumed killer sent the cops.

Soon after seeing that episode Bob packed up and left Houston, but the car were monitoring his cell phone and eventually tracked him to the JW Marriott Hotel in New Orleans. So now two FBI agents show up at the hotel and they're talking to the clerk. Do you have anyone booked here under the name of Dorothy Seiner? No. Ten other aliases. No, no, no. Damn, where is he? - They turn around and there's Bob walking in the lobby, headed for the elevators. - Later, their company. Him to his room. And some pot. So Bob Durst was booked for possession of a handgun in marijuana in Louisiana.

Arrested for the murder of Susan Berman in Los Angeles. And the very next day, the... The final episode of The Jinks aired, featuring the now infamous off-camera bathroom... What was it? Killing them all, of course. Few people knew this then. The documentary edited Durst's hot mic moment manipulated... Need two sentences together that were not actually spoken as one. Durst's friends They had no idea. What did you think of what you saw? Oh, God. I looked at Stuart and he looked at me and we were speechless for a really long time and then I burst into tears because it just...

-It was like a knife. -After his arrest, a package arrived for him. At that New Orleans hotel, the police opened it. There were a pair of shoes in it and $117,000 in cash. Hmm. He was definitely getting ready. For something. Parachute isn't money. That's kind of what you need, isn't it? That's right. And attorney DeGuerin stepped in again. This time, he acknowledged, because of Bob's trip New Orleans. Getting him out of jail might not be so easy. I acknowledge early on The chance of him making bail right now, the chances are slim and none. Slim just left town. Robert Durst pleaded guilty to illegal gun possession. He was sentenced to seven years in federal prison.

As for the Susan Berman case, Attorney Dick DeGaren insisted Bob had nothing to do with her murder. The trial got underway in March 2020, but was postponed because of the coronavirus pandemic. Resumed 14 months later, with DeGuerin continuing his battle against a tough deputy DA named John Lewin. A frail Robert Durst testified from his wheelchair, and under questioning by Lewin, made this Stunning admission. Did you tell Susan Berman it's okay? strictly a hypothetical. I did not kill Susan Barman. What if I had, I would lie about it. In September 2021, a new company was founded. The jury found Robert Durst guilty of first-degree murder. He was sentenced to life without parole.

Later a grand jury in New York indicted him for the death of his first wife, Kathleen Durst. But a jury would never hear that case. In January 2022, Robert Durst died. In a California hospital while serving his life sentence, he was 78. And in a final twist... John Lewin, the prosecutor in the Berman case, said that because Dershowitz was appealing that verdict at the time of his death under California law, his conviction Educated. Mysteries remain. - Coming up, a mystery.

Karen, where are you? Investigators wonder, is there a link? Robert Durst is a person of interest in this case. you Follow the places Robert Durst wandered. This was not just a favorite, but now the setting of a lingering mystery. Is Lost Coast. In 1997, a pretty teenager named Karen Mitchell was had... Helping out at her Aunt Annie Casper's shoe store. I did not ever meet Robert Durst, but my man... She said she remembered him because he just dressed as a woman. Karen might well have met Robert Durst, said Aunt Annie. She often helped to...

Eureka's homeless population, people among whom Bob was known to mingle. We can't know for sure, but we do know. Know she was involved neighborhood more than once karen used to go to Printed out on the bus. I mean, they could have met. It's definitely a possibility. She liked unusual people. She liked to pick their brain and talk to them. When she vanished, Karen left the shoe store to walk to her job at a nearby daycare center, To have Annie pick her up after work. And as I came down, I had this weird feeling like something was off. It was. Karen never made it to work. Her mother, Mary Casper, lived in Los Angeles. No forgetting what that phone call was like. We drove from Southern California up here and I remember hanging out with my friends

flyers at the rest stops of my daughter and just be like this is not happening right now. How could this be? Karen, where are you? A massive search produced no sign of her, though there was one curiosity. Lead. A witness who said he saw a young woman get into a car with an older man on this busy Rica Road. The witness worked with a police artist to produce this, but nothing much came of it. At least not back then. Years passed, and then Matt Birkbeck, who authored a book on Durst called A Deadly Sea Got a tip from some independent investigators also working the case a possible connection. In the Eureka area the day that this grill disappeared. That transaction was just off the coast in Trinidad, maybe 20 minutes or so.

By car from that spot where the witness saw a girl picked up on the road in Eureka. And then before the trial in Galveston, Birkbeck heard this. I have a really good source that was close to the defense team. And I was told that Durst was extremely concerned about Karen Mitchell and was so concerned, Get charged Durst brought this up on his own for with his defensive. Yes and Dicty Gary - And apparently said to him, Bobby, let's worry about one case at a time. - Not true, said Dick DeGuerin. - I've never had any concern about it. - Did Bob? - No. But when Durst was arrested in New Orleans, the case was reborn. Andy Mills was the Eureka police chief at the time. Robert Durst is a person of interest in this case. He's definitely in the mix. He is in the mix. So. That we will consider as part of our larger investigation. The chief was not alone.

FBI and the Humboldt County DA were investigating a possible Bob Nors connection too. However, Gerst was not the only person of interest. There were five others. The circumstantial evidence is just not there at this point. Composite sketch for example could this be robert durst the chief isn't quite sure it's particularly accurate Were you impressed by the similarities? I'm impressed by the similarities, but my questions are... Able to recognize somebody in a very small space and window, and then being able to recount that in a description that's pretty precise. That sketch? Ridiculous, said Dursa Turney. Dick DeGaron. I know Bob pretty well. That doesn't look anything like him. It looks like Mr. Potato Head. So, who was that witness of 18 years ago?

Would he still remember? The cops haven't spoken to him recently, so we found him. Riding his tractor in the green hills above Eureka. Randy Gomes. An army vet and local carpenter. Did he remember? I looked right at him because I was yelling at him. Because that guy cut him off when he stopped his car to pick up a teenage girl. You know, and I eyeballed him all the way around as I was coming around the car. Combs insisted that... Girl got into the car willingly as if she knew the man. So now, 18 years later, we showed Gomes his sketch and a picture of Robert Durst. Action when you see those two photographs together. I believe that's the man that I saw. So how sure are you you got it right? I'm positive. In my heart I know I have it right.

Well, I was fairly certain he said the girl who got in the car looked like a photo the police showed him of Karen Mitchell. But it was her because she, we made eye contact. But issues. There's no proof that it was Karen. Mitchell who got into the car. And Bob Dersie's were not blue. Said Chief Mills, Gomes didn't come forward till months after the incident. What I want to do is just take something that's sensational and plug that person into the midst of an investigation that may or may not be a good idea. Have anything to do with him. But the investigation continues. And some, like Birkbeck, Believe there may be more. I've never said definitively that he was a serial killer. What I said was that there's so much out there about him.

That clearly there's something going on here and that law enforcement needs to look into it and thankfully they are Doing it now. Evidence and to think, you know, they have to have a theory that he's some kind of serial killer, he's not a serial killer. The notion of Robert Dershowitz. A serial killer has come up. A guy who doesn't... It sells magazines, it sells books, it causes people to turn on their TVs. A long missing wife, a dismembered. Neighbor, a murdered friend. This is how Robert Durst is defined now. Where did all go wrong all that power privilege money it's been decades since The doctor warned Bob's hostility issues could lead to personality decomposition.

But what happened? To his friends Emily and Stuart Altman, Bobby Durst was a good person and loyal to the world. Friend for more than 40 years. Though Emily-- As it was, worried that Bobby Durst may have been the friend she never knew, after all. I can't understand harming a human being, okay? That makes sense to me. I don't know if I could forgive that, and I wish I could. And I'm struggling with that. I don't know. I don't know. That's right. All for now, I'm Lester Holt. Thanks for joining us.

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