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--Amanda Montell, linguist, co-host of the podcast Sounds Like A Cult, and author of the book "Cultish: The Language of Fanaticism," joins David to discuss cults, indoctrination, brainwashing, and more. Get the book: https://amzn.to/3wOT6CK
--Joe Biden signs the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill into law
--Donald Trump's former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn demands that there be only one religion allowed in the United States, which is an unconstitutional idea
--Republicans are now refusing the flu shot as the right wing anti-vaccine movement expands beyond only the COVID-19 vaccines
--Anti-vaccine right-wingers are now spreading disinformation about how to "undo" ones COVID-19 vaccination
--Donald Trump's former Attorney General said that Fox News host Maria Bartiromo "lost it," and recounts a time when she called to berate him about non-existent voter fraud in the 2020 election
--Evan Neumann, an accused Trump rioter from the January 6 riots, has fled the United States as a fugitive and is asking Belarus to let him avoid justice there
--Voicemail caller praises David's Alex Jones impression, which we are unable to find in our archives
--On the Bonus Show: Alex Jones found liable for defamation in Sandy Hook "hoax" case, US says it "won't tolerate" Russia's "reckless and dangerous" missile test, workplace surveillance explodes during pandemic, much more...
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This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
All right, I want to start with a correction today. I always strive for accuracy and precision.
So on yesterday, in my discussion of the emails I had gotten about Kyle written houses, mom Wendy, Rittenhouse, some people say David she's, clearly, Cognitive Lee Disable door.
Laid or whatever term you want to apply. I mention
among many other things that she's a nurse and has a certain level of education. She's, not a nurse she's, a clinical, a certified nursing assistant.
Dna and is a clinical or certified CNN. It is not a nurse. So whatever
inferences you me or anybody else makes let's make them based on just the act.
information she's a sea, not a nurse, doesn't necessarily change my analysis. Ok, let's get onto the news
we have seen now the sign
into law of the one,
two trillion dollar infrastructure bill that we discussed last week again for context. This was a very big bill that, because
smaller and smaller and smaller down to one point: two trillion with only five four hundred and fifty billion of the one point, two chilean, actually being new spending for new projects, which we will talk about in a moment,
Big signing ceremony on the White House lawn Joe Biden could have signed cited earlier, but he wanted to do a White House lawn event with a bipartisan group of elected officials, because, yes, remember, there were some Republicans who voted for this bill. Much
to the chagrin of the Trump Republicans who immediately started sang, let's get rid of all of those Republicans who cross party lines to vote
favor of the infrastructure bill. They had a brass band, they had speeches, the Associated Press, called them, Pepe speeches, engine
Biden signed the bill into law. Now we're gonna go over the final version of what's in the bill, but the big picture here is that this entire,
air escapade isn't humiliation, and what I mean by that is the stuff
we're spending money on in this infrastructure bill should be obvious.
We all agree, we just do this stuff. Where a wealthy develop the nation, we have the money. We do this stuff, that's what it should be, and instead it becomes months and months of debate and argument and disagreement and shrinking shrinkage shrinkage of this
package. Extreme shrinkage, I would even say- and this is ultimately what we end up with okay. So what's in the bill now that it has finally been passed, one point you trillion five hundred and fifty billion is actually for new pride
that includes a hundred and ten billion for roads and bridges desperately needed. Sixty
billion for railroads. Our railroad system is pathetic. Now
how many people will say David, Sir, we are not a small european country that can easily be connected with rail it. Our New York state, is the size of some european countries were talking about a massive country, fine eastern seaboard, western seaboard, northeast to Chicago area. So
many opportunities for faster, modern rail. We don't have it. It's pathetic. Sixty five million
power grid desperately needed sixty five billion for broadband. Now that the broadband thing it's a little bit frustrating that we already give
breaks in subsidies and all of these things to these internet service providers- and we still have such crappy broadband in many parts of the country, and one of the things I like is that the incoming FCC chair wants to define broadband as a hundred a megabit up and a hundred megabit down
a symmetrical. We have had this issue time and time again at our backup studio, which I mentioned, that we have. I have options. I can get a hundred megabit download two. Fifty megabit downward
five hundred. I can get gigabits download and I say ok, but we need to upload big files. What's the fastest upload, I can get well, sir, if you pay.
Two hundred bucks a month you can get a thirty five megabit upload is pathetic. Specific, so on broadband were failing their sixty five billion in the bill
How much more money are we gonna get these? I s peace before they actually put together something approximating what other countries consider to be high speed internet, a fifty five billion for water infrastructure. We still have parts of this country,
where you should really be drinking. The tap water, terrifying, a forty seven billion for cyber security
in climate change, thirty
billion for public transit. Twenty five billion for airports. We ve talked about the sort of sad state of many american airports, particularly not not either.
just compared to other wealthy countries, but even some, not so wealthy countries that have invested in airports.
Twenty one billion for the environment and, at some point, will dig in more as to what that means: seventeen billion for ports, eleven billion for safety,
eight billion for western water infrastructure, a seven and a half
billion for electric vehicle charging stations. We ve got to build that out, guys and seven point five billion for electric school buses.
Funding will go out over a five year period and it of course, as you probably would guess it can take months, if not years, to start certain projects a lot of this stuff either. One of the frustrating things is that you have
criticisms from the american right, which can
resolved by this type of spending, but they also dont, want the spending I'll give you one one example: here they complain about high gas prices. Well, let's get off gas. Let's go to electric vehicles; they also
I want to subsidize electric vehicles. They just want to blame Joe Biden. That's fundamentally is sort of sort of what it comes down to at the end of the day. They say that we need to deal
the power outages that we have in different places. Well, they also don't want to spend money
enforcing the power grid in the context of climate change because they say it's politicizing power guys. We know how to fix a lot of these problems, but they just want to complain about the problems rather than actually fix them. Ok, so is this a win? Yes, it's a win, its a wind, but to what extent is it
in the package shrink shrinking down to one point: two trillion only five hundred
fifty billion is new spending. The rest of it is just funding projects that are already that already exist, not super exciting. The next step is that Joe Biden is going to spend much of this week, making the case for that second bill. Some people call it
the build that better bill summer, saying it's dead on arrival that there's no chance, but there is now another bill. Joe Biden wants to pass one point: seventy five trillion social safety NET investment, climate policy investment- if you
Do all of that now we're really talking about a more serious accomplishment. The house hopes to pass its version of the bill sometime this week. If that happens, then there will be a question of. Is there any way to pass such a bill in the Senate? It's really unclear. It would certainly become a serious accomplishment if that were the case and Joe Biden is going to be in New Hampshire, Michigan and some other places
selling the infrastructure plan this week, so if he can get that done in particular before the new year, although very very sceptical about that,
we would really be talking about a more serious accomplishment, but that's what's in the bill and of course, implementation. Anybody can sign bills
he is in the implementation and we're going to follow it. You know why
of the most troubling aspects of this cult
that is the American Right wing in the United States, is the degree to which they
band and even their stated principles that they claim to
above all else as soon as its not convenient for them to stick to the principal. If I say to you which side talks about being the constitutional side as well,
matter of pride, it's the american right, they say we're about the constitution. We are about the rule of law. We are about having a country that is the image
our founders envisioned and demanded an imagined and created this growth and a little about all that stuff. Ok,
but they abandoned it very quickly. One of the most important aspects on which the United States was founded, and
and really it's: why did they leave the old country? Income here is freedom of religion which includes freedom from religion as well.
Freedom of religion, whatever religion, you wanna practice, Donald Trump, former national security adviser, the top national security official in the country for
here of time, if you can believe it a scary is that is recently said,
at an event called the
Awaken America Conference in San Antonio Texas, horror insane event completely insane of it. He said, listen
We not only if we're gonna be one nation under God. We need to be one religion under God. What whites? What happened to the constitution? Listen to Michael Flynn, who appears to have completely lost his mind if he ever had it, and indeed to endure talking about the United States of America right talking about the United States of America, because one Matthew mentioned it in the Bible. He wasn't talking about the physical ground that he resigned. He was talking about something in the distance, so we are going to have one nation under guide, which we must. We have to have one religion, one one one nation. Under God, and one religion,
under God, right all of us together working. Why? What has he seen the constitution has? Is he aware of the document which support
Sadly, he and his ilk hold above all else, almost like a sacred text.
We have to be one religion under God. What what are you talking about? An Flynn has recently been really upping. The christian rhetoric Signal
gently and part of this.
May be related to. There are some q and on people who think Michael Flynn worshipped
Satan and in order to convince crazy people that he's not a Satan, worshiper he's really playing up the christian dogma and
its leading to him being particularly unhinge lately and remember, this was the top national security official of the United States at one point in time. At this same event, he also had very wacky things to say about Nancy Pelosi and end. He he's just like off the rails with very weird religious stuff. Take a listen to this, and now it s a great size. You listen to the words. It really does it talks about we're not going to take it anymore. The american people are not going to take. I I literally I'll, probably I hope that they run they hit tonight, because I just did a
A media hit with Tucker Karlsson for his show this evening, crowd likes Tucker and my message. My mess we talked about. You noticed nonsense going out without what I call the the insurrection crucifixion and an uneasy policy is the Pontius Pilate she's of punches pilot, anxious pilot- and this is a crucifix of our first amendment- freedom to speak freedom to peaceably assemble, it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable,
Forty fact has been over forty years over forty years we ve never had one person now one person held in contempt or indicted for contempt of Congress in over forty years to include a former attorney general of the United States, by name of our call and, of course, today
if you saw you watching a media nuggets those you can sell completely unhinge like how is there not an investigation going on into Michael Flynn?
and remember that he was indicted and then pardoned by Donald Trump, and also remember that
shortly after being pardoned. He called for a straight up. Coup
like in Myanmar, which, in this bizarre clip from before,
and country event was referred to as many
are by a guy on state. Remember this crazy incident, several moraine
our no law
one have armed men Omar happen
No reason than any others make up one thing: there is no reason why we shouldn't have a coup. Just like that.
Didn't Minha MAR which, of course, is man MAR the guy. You mentioned it.
has no idea what's going on so extremely disturbing behaviour for Michael Flynn and a pro
please someone that should be on the radar of law enforcement, but he seems to really have lost his mind. We're gonna take a quick break. We have such a pact show for you,
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are, you can sign up. It join pachmann dot com, so we we ve, been having a conversation now for
what a year close to a year a little longer about the partisan uptake of the cove advanced.
genes and one of the most anti vaccine groups today with regard to the covert vaccines, is Republicans and in particular, Trump voters. Non trump voting Republicans are slightly less anti backs than Trump voting. Republicans were like
the most anti backs, and we know why this has happened. We know about
way that their view on the vaccines has reversed, simply because Donald Trump is no
hunger in office, and now Joe Biden Is- and we talked also about the increasingly partisan covert.
that's where much more now by an almost fifty percent higher rate, the cumulative covert death rate in Trump counties is.
Higher than in Biden Voting counties, they're killing themselves added disproportion.
the high rate relative, the Democrats and at some point it may make an electoral difference, but
We now have new data, and this is going beyond
just the covert vaccine. The acceptance of the flu
vaccine, as we now are getting into and into
who season in the United States is also heavily partisan and it didn't used to be you used to see almost identical levels of flu vaccination from Democrats, as you saw from Republicans
No more. We have the data and the data is quite detailed- flew shot up, take as now partisan and it didn't used to be so. We have two poles from flew, shot uptake right now. Ok, according to its source, sixty eight percent of Democrats said they have gotten a flu shot or are very likely to get one, whereas only forty four percent of Republican said the same. So that's a twenty four point. Gap between Democrats and Republicans on the flu shot similar to the covert gap that exists. A second Paul from this year shows the same thing. Sixty five percent of Democrats said said they did or what
definitely get a flu shot and only forty percent of Republicans, that's a twenty five point: partisan gap on the flu shot. That's not the way it always used to be. For example, last year there was an eight p m, o r c pole, and it said: did you get a flu shot in the last year in that Paul? Fifty eight percent of Democrats said
I got a flu in the last year, whereas only fifty four percent are Republicans. Did that was a four point gap. It's almost
the margin of error. Okay, so you
used to have almost even flew shot acceptance between Republicans and Democrats. Now you have a gap whereby twenty four twenty five points Democrats are significantly more vaccinated against the flu, as are Republicans another just data point about past partisan gap. If you look at us twenty sixteen study from Princeton Survey Research, yet fifty
five percent of Democrats and fifty three percent of Republican saying I got a flu shot in the last twelve months, so there was almost no partisan gap whatsoever. So, in all seriousness, are Republicans
hurting themselves elect orally because of this, if they just keep dying it at some point is going to start impacting your pop
relation we ve had so, let's, let's talk about. What's not new science has had a partisan divide for a long time. So take the issue of climate change. For decades now the right has disproportionately
rejected the science on climate, including the reality that humans are impacting
changing climate on planet earth. Republicans have rejected that now. The thing about climate is, it mostly affects everybody, regardless of partisanship. Now you can make the case. Well, the more we burn fossil fuel.
these poor people disproportionately are down wind from the emissions from burning fossil fuels, so it really is causing more cancer in poor people and to the extent that there's a partisan divide their me. Ok, so you you can make a case. This is just straight up partisan, with the vaccines. The Republicans are disproportionately not getting vaccinated against covert. The Republicans are now also, as of this year, disproportionately, not getting vaccinated,
and the flew at a certain point: you're going to kill your own voters and it could make a difference. Now we ve looked at the data. What would it take to make a difference? There was this example and I'll
through the generality of it, but we should really look at the data again back in. Let me see when it was Florida. Gubernatorial election results when Rhonda Santas ran in twenty eighteen run. Dissent is one by zero point four percent over Andrew Jill Gilan. I forget their pronunciation. Now it was a difference of thirty three thousand votes. Thirty three thousand
votes were the margin for Rhonda Santas in Florida as governor in the year twenty eighteen. Now, in Florida there are sixty one thousand covert deaths,
we know of- and there are very serious questions about the degree to which Florida is coming even close to reporting all the deaths of from from covert. So if their sixty
thousand, there's, probably really at least seventy thousand. Let's pick that number. If they were evenly split between Democrats and Republicans, seventy thousand covert deaths would mean thirty, five thousand Democrats and thirty five thousand Republicans. Now, if you have a partisan gap there, if you imagine well, if the Florida data tracks, the national data and Republicans are dying, it, let's call it a fifty percent higher rate. All of a sudden, though, seventy thousand deaths might look more like fifty thousand Republicans and twenty thousand Democrats,
the thirty thousand death gap, the margin for victory for dissent. This was only about thirty three thousand ballots in twenty eighteen, so you can very quickly see how if this continues
to go on and the partisan gap is their uncovered deaths because of vaccination, and we start to see a partisan gap on flew deaths again because republicans are now starting to reject the flu vaccine as well. In Florida, it's totally
plausible that, as a result of deaths from coded and flew alone, it could flip an election from a republican governor to a democratic governor
get. Those are the numbers in Florida. We'd have to see where else the supplies
this is a reality and I'm not giving Republicans advice if they are not worried about this.
they're, not realising how quickly the numbers could go against them here that it is their problem, but you would think even if they don't care about the human tragedy of these deaths, that they would care about the electoral consequences that potentially could happen. So that's the latest on flew shot and we're gonna continue watching how those numbers a look at the latest thing now on covert vaccines is that there are people trying to undo their vaccination or reverse the vaccination almost as if you were poisoned and you want the antidote the antidote. Now, of course, this is all
August, nonsense, bs? But it's quite stunning, and I want to talk about it- a little bit. Look at this covered vaccine whole doubts or caving, two mandates and then
scrambling to undo their shots. So there are people who they don't want to lose job. They want to be able to go to
wherever it is anti vaccine people like to go, and so there acquiescing and getting vaccinated. But then they are reversing their vaccine. How are they doing that, while it doesnt work
check this out. This is a very good and be seen used article by Ben Collins in a tick tock video that has garnered hundreds of thousands of views. Doktor carry
Miguel outlined the ingredients for a bath, she said, will detox the facts for people who gave in and got backs.
aided the ingredients in the bathroom, mostly not harmful, although the supposed benefits are entirely fictional, baking, soda and Epsom salts. She falsely claim
will provide a radiation detox
to remove radiation. Mad dash, falsely believes, is activated by the vaccine. There is about four different things there that we could look up Ben tonight. Clay will add a quote me: major power,
of poison. She says based on a mistaken idea and anti backs communities that toxins can be removed from the body with certain therapies. Then she read
men's, adding in a cup of borax a clean agent. That's been banned as a food additive by the FDA, to quote
take nanotechnologies. Out of you
in reality, in addition to being potentially harmful as a skin, and I irritant a borax detox bath,
will not remove the effects of the covert vaccine from your body, so it's baking, soda, Epsom, SALT Ben tonight, clay and borax. I suggest adding in cocoa powder
whole wheat, flour, bake it for twenty minutes and you'll have some really really nice muffins. At the end of the day. Ok, I'm David
it was one of several methods, anti backs. Influencers have suggested to followers anti
message. Boards are now littered with users caving to societal pressure, work mandates once your injected. The lifesaving vaccination processes
but he began. You can't unreliable. It's just not physically possible says Angela Rasmussen Overall, just in professor at University of Scotch one in Canada
detox remedies and regiments have been staples of the Anti backs movement for years before covert anti backs. Influencers and alternative health entrepreneurs promoted unproven
times dangerous treatments they claimed would read children of alleged toxins that lingered after image
zation children. Many with autism have been subjected to displease disproven cures by way of parents can be.
that their alleviating suffering caused by heavy metal poisoning from vaccines, the often costly remedies have included restrictive diets, supplements, collation and Hyper Barrack Chambers, as well as dangerous home remedies. Oh aunt, there's more now
Some anti backs groups recommend people who have been vaccinated immediately. Self administer copying therapy to speed up the removal of backs content, including first making small
incisions on the injection site with a razor other means give instructions on how to uninjured shots using syringes. Both methods are potentially dangerous and wooden actually do what they claim it
do. This is crazy. This is straight up crazy. I saw a tweet from cultural critic.
the last real liberal and arbiter of ideas, Dave Reuben, where he tweeted
quote. I know a lot of people who regret getting the vaccine
know anyone who regrets not getting it. The people who regret getting the vat,
seen seem very confused and they seem to believe things that are bogus. The people who regret
getting the vaccine. Many of them are dead and, as I tweeted myself in response to Dave Reuben lots of the people who regretted
getting the vaccine have since died of covert. We heard
about a number of radio hosts who were against vaccines got very sick with Corbett hospitalized and said I was wrong about the vaccine, get the vaccine and then they died. It's actually more sad than anything else that this is going on, and I continue to believe that if it aged ten eleven, we start teaching. Kids here is how you,
salmon whether your beliefs are justified by facts here, is how you critically analyze messages that you get in media, called media, literacy, philosophy, etc. A lot of people
all would be immune, ized for lack of a better term against ever falling for all of this bogus backwards thinking. Unfortunately,
we have a lot of people on the right who dont want to teach those things, because they rightly see them as threats to right wing ideology. The better critical thinkers
Belarus, the more media illiterate people are the better at understanding the concept of a pistol. Malagigi students are its true. There less likely
fall for easily debunking right when talking points and that's what scares them so much
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meeting with Amanda Montel, whose a linguist also author of the book called dish, the language of fanaticism and co host of the podcast sounds like a call em
the great having you on a really appreciate your time. Thank you.
Was we're having me so we ve talked with call experts sort of in the context
whether some of the followers of former President Trump are a call. We ve talked with cult experts about sort of like what pulse people into calls, and how can you get people out of courts and and the concept of like a d
deprogramming and one of the things that always happens when we talk about it. If I get emails from people saying, only certain people are susceptible to cults,
we saw it? Would never happened to me, which may be true, but there's this idea that there's something specific and some people just like they can't be hypnotized, they would never be susceptible to occult. Is that true? Is there something about the types of,
pull. That would even fall prey to calls sure. While I was absolutely one of those people who thought I would never fall prey to a call, I grew up with a cold survivor in the family. My dad was forced to join a call cuts in a non when he was a teenager. My parents are research scientists. I rode home of scepticism and independent thinking I got never would I join a fanatical fringe group or fall prey to the charms of charismatic guru, but then very quickly after researching this book, I found that the
psychology surrounding the type of person who would join a calls, a word that really has no hearted best thats definition. Those stereotypes aren't exactly true
we tend to think of the sort of person who wind up in a cold like have engaged or the people's Temple. Ok Jonestown, as someone desperate undisturbed, intellectually divisions, but first of all, why would a cold war
someone like that. Why would they want someone who is liable to break down quickly? They want some
We ve been over abundance of idealism and with resource
is, and privileges and connections and stars in their eyes. Someone who believes that solution,
to the world's most urgent problems are able to be found in by affiliating with this group that they can be a part of that change. They want people who are
going to quit
things invariably turns sour quite soon, so gather concert rivers that I spoke to survivors of everything from Jonestown too,
oh cycle day, they didn't fit this more than the desperate called follow
They were actually quaint, wise and service area than you. You mentioned soul cycle, which I think is interesting. There are our cults necessarily bad in the sense of I mean some people might say, like the Palatine World, the sort of called this cross,
is another one, sole cycle, etc. It are occult necessarily bad
sure well. This is why I decided entitled about cultivation. Is why often hedge my language? When I talk about this wide spectrum of cold, you call like call this.
Groups our reputation that reputation that courts have is inherently sinister nefarious, isn't
first shaped by the media coverage of major call tragedies like John Town and the man's and family murderers, but
for those events, the word called was not really on the mainstream cultural radar and in fact the earliest forms of this word didn't even have really negative, meaning that all the word evolved over time exactly line in line with our culture of all. So at this point the word called can really be use, depending on the context to refer to everything from a group as deadly and destructive his cue and on too widely followed wellness, brand or souls ankle, and that really reflect
something about how fraud are cold
The relationship is with ideas of community and spirituality and identity and meaning, but the definition of the
cold has so much to do with cultural normative Eddie. What separates the call from a religion from another kind of socially accepted group rat, all calls that have been cut
culture could be called calls are inherently criminal or dangerous. So the word cold
really enough to identify what particular dangers are on the table. You.
I mean, I think it might be interesting to hear a little more about evaluating, maybe the parameters you're thinking back to the twenty twenty democratic primary. I come in
did on there seems to be kind of a call. It
thing happening around Andrew Yang, for example, who I like, and it's gonna be on this show. Next week I was
supporter of Bernie Sanders, but there was some call is
you looked on, read it in Twitter around Bernie, certainly around this candidate named Tulsa Gabert, who you may or may not be familiar with what? How can what are the parameters we should sort of be looking at share
well in that context, certainly in this one I don't find those always useful to strive to identify. Oh, this is definitively coal young. Thus it is widely dangerous, but I guess it's good to be aware of certain red flags. If you will that can signify that something is called dish and in the book I outlined what these red flags sounds,
rather than what they look like you know, call imagery often involves shaved, heads and long robes and sometimes
The call is actually a bunch of people in tee shirts or legging either. You know it doesn't look like they called. We ve been provisions, so I
I like many of these linguistic red flags in the book, and these can include super emotionally charged us versus them labels. When everybody inside the group is uplifted, win terminology that love arms, then, if you will, that makes them feel special and leads while their abuse in a super loaded terms that land ass everybody on the outside as fundamentally inferior in a super black and white way. Even just
Creation of a tongue of specialised terminology can be a sign that something called dish is going on here. We all love the feeling of speaking a secret language.
pig latin on the playground who didn't love, learning that in being able to talk in a way that other kids can understand it makes us feel like were putting on a
form if you will like we're doing something right. Even if we're not saying anything that can be said in plain English, even if we don't our selves understand, were saying exactly you couldn't define it for an outsider that specialised Herman Ology encourages conformity in some cases-
courage is independent thinking, and then there is a phrase that once you understand it, you won't be able to, and here it that is often used in coldest groups, is called a thought. Terminating cliche, it's a linguist
technique that all college leaders from Jim Jones, Jack, Pesos use and it describes a sort of-
expression, that's easily memorized, easily repeated and aimed at shutting down independent thinking are questioning
so that terminating cliches also show up in our everyday lives in the form of things like well.
is what it is, or it's all in God's plan boys will be boys in Qanon it on. It might sound like trust the plan, or will I did my research, research hundred and
Nor does it involve peer reviewed studies, but those are some examples. I, as I'm hearing you, lay the so my mind, just
get away from Jordan Petersen and
I wanted the I'm curious about another aspect, which is whenever I've I've made criticisms of Jordan Petersen. In the past,
A lot of the emails I get are.
I am not accurately criticising
What he really is saying that their that actually I'm cool
I'm only criticising what I wrongly believe him to be sang and that there really is no true criticism, because what is saying is different.
what I'm saying, which is sort of India like if I can never, if you're always going to tell me I misunderstanding what he sang, but Europe actually say, sometimes the difficulty
understanding. What's being said, is a feature and not a bug prize,
absolutely two years or of circular language, misleading euphemisms that can be really disorienting. I would venture to say
That's his followers,
are confused some of the time, but it does have the sort of unquestioned worshipping of him and
Yet it completely sounds like a form of a thought: terminating cliche, it sounds not unlike when new agers or keep remarry of those were familiar with next year, would dismiss a valid doubt or or concern as limiting belief of action.
your mind, limiting you from being able to understand or or that's a suppresses thought from the church of Scientology or dry lot of analogies. Do that so ass
in the world of rum changing p.
Those mines. There's this idea that just giving people facts doesn't get them to change
mines it often kinda makes them plant there their feet in the sand or dig their head in the sand. Whatever metaphor analogy, wanna use yeah what, when it comes to getting some one out of a call, particularly the more serious ones that that are more dangerous, I guess we would say what what works and what does not work
it seems just saying: you're in a cold is not like
to be very effective.
yeah so unworthy programmer mental health counselor. This isn't my expertise actually like shit.
We want the snapping and out of it by gas from talking to so many experts. What I can more easily say is: what's not effective,
tending as it is to look somewhat in the eye and tell him you're, gonna cults, your
brainwashed those things.
effective that just works to alienate that person, because, of course leaving that you're in a cold in your Brainwash, bring one
is also
really nothing but a metaphor and is a term. That's often used as a running late, cliched itself. Sometimes just you write off someone as hopeless and my
control so attending as it is. He is basically that they're not super effective and also, if you're, talking to like a q and honour or an anticlimax or working spiritualistic.
We are familiar with that term, the portmanteau conspiracy, theory and spirituality. If you try you Ito, unpack they're alive,
by citing you know some of these works,
Review and studies are studies from an institution that day been led to believe is fundamental
we flawed or controlled by this evil, cabal of elites. Railroad!
veal- fundamentally misunderstood by you. So if it feels like safe and healthy bring you to keep this person in your life.
You know how, as as little of outside influence on them as you can just by existing, maybe use the circle.
method to pull holes in their logic. The questions by India, Blake FACTS, don't change people's minds, and so you just have to hope that they'll come to reality on their own and eventually comes it safely, home in terms of the motivation for what can be appealing about being in culture, cottage groups when we think about conspiracy,
or is? It seems one of the things that often appealing to people is that the conspiracy theory is a symbol
or explanation that often points to more.
control over what happens in our lives rather than less. Where like. If there's random, unpredictable horrible events that can be a lot scarier, then
Someone planned this thing and it just like this is the person that did it and we knew it was going to happen. They knew it was going to happen. It's it's just that's what it is. Is there an aspect of that? That applies to the attractiveness of cults,
yeah. Well, coltan conspiracy theories really go hand in hand because they create that offers them by Marianne and they do a lot of simplifying of logic and of rhetoric
but absolutely I mean condition, is an conspiratorial believe
these. Things tend to spike during times of cultural turbulence and turmoil. That's what we saw in the Sixtys and Seventys with the Vietnam WAR and civil rights movement
the Kennedy assassinations, people were feeling sorted, existential, high and dry, and the reason why the United States, even though its a developed country is so religious, compare.
few other nations that have no high life expectancies in higher education levels is in part, because we have so few safety net social safety nets that are there to catch us. When we get sick or lose our job world
feeling very much at all on our own in this culture, and so we end up mistrusting, mainstream institutions and turning toward alternative groups for closure and answers and security, and some of them
Groups are relatively harmless or even positive, but there are a lot of people who are willing to step in and take it back,
Our peoples vulnerabilities, that's interesting and so the
it seems that a lot of the same emotional circumstances and economic circumstances that we talk about in connection with so many different aspects of society. Point in this,
in this very same direction. It goes back to some of that underlines structure. So to speak out,
really. I mean there's a reason why the United States and conditioning tend to have this pretty consistent relationship. We always have that's fascinating. The book is called dish, the language of fanaticism. We ve been
Speaking with author of the book, Amanda Montel, who also co host the podcast, sounds like a call
Amanda, really a pleasure having you on. I appreciate your time today, yeah pricing.
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I agree with you that really had me cracking up when I was reading it this morning. You
You may know about Fox NEWS hosts Maria Barter Romo I've talked about her before and for me, one of the most interesting things about Maria Barter Roma, who now is just a total pro trump propagandist on Fox NEWS and Fox business is that she used to be a really good reporter when
was in my teens and started following the stock market and
casually getting into trading stocks, and what not, I would watch CNBC. I thought I was cool watching CNBC and
the aboard aroma would be on there and she'd be reporting.
The floor, the New York Stock Exchange first woman to do so doing wrong
the good interviews with ceos holding people accountable asking tough questions and she was really very interesting, journalist and reporter and over the
ass few years, either because of something that happened mentally or because
She really like the idea of being in trumps, good graces and having direct access to a president or whatever she became an uncontrolled, unflinching pro trump brown nosing sycophant, and it turns out there
not just a character that she plays on the air. There is
new revelations from this upcoming Jonathan Carl book? We ve told you about the book already and there are many interesting revelations in it that she actually spoke to Donald Trump
former attorney general, William BAR on the phone and went nuts on him about supposed voter fraud.
committed by Democrats to steal the election from Donald Trump. She
really seems to believe this stuff. I want to read through some of the allegations outlined here. New book alleges foxes, Maria Barter Romo shouted at Bill bar about imagined, voter fraud that this is crazy. These are crazy. Allegations
former attorney General Bill BAR says Fox NEWS. Hosts Maria barter AMO call them up screaming about
a generic voter fraud, according to his account in a new book, the trail by ABC Chief Washington, correspondent, John Car,
highlights barter. Almost damaging role is promoter of reckless lies about the election in the books book which comes out today
rights that quote Barter Romo, had once been a widely respected: trailblazing financial journalists. Ah here's the things I said she was the first television reporter too.
What life from the floor, the New York Stock Exchange. Now she had her own show on Fox NEWS, and she was using it to boost
There is of unfounded allegations designed to overturn a presidential election as President Donald Trump frequently praised her granted her interviews, ok
on Sunday November, eight, one day after
box and all the major networks said Joe Biden was President elect. Barter Romo used her Sunday show on the network to highlight them
that land, if allegations of election fraud through an interview, would Sidney power. Member Sidney power that completely cuckoo for cocoa, Puffs attorney Powell delivered a fear. A fever. Shreck
and Karl Road and Barter Romo didn't expect, expect express one ounce of scepticism
It was all a lie. He wrote but Sidney powers deranged
These would have never taken hold if there were people in positions of power and influence who had promoted them. People like Maria Barter Roma, barter Rollo, comes up several times.
And betrayal in MID November. According to the book barter Romo called bar to complain that the d o J hadn't done anything to stop the Democrats from stealing the election.
listen to this. She called me up and she was screaming bar told Carl. On the record. I yelled back at her she's lost it.
Can you imagine the gall of calling up the attorney general and saying you're not doing anything, to stop this voter fraud, which doesn't exist? Of course, Carl said
reached out to barter Roma fur response, because, after all its highly inappropriate for a journalist to call the attorney general and demand he d,
something related to a criminal investigation. Barter Romo did not respond, but a Fox news spokesperson did get back to me
and denied bars account of the conversation on Barter Roma's behalf through this, but the Fox spokesperson
barter AMO claimed bar was the aggressive one yelling and
sing during the call while he'd be justified in doing so, it might be
Barter Ramos, calling you up and saying what the hell you doing Fox reiterated the same statement in response to a sea and in business inquiry on Sunday later in the book Carl described barter almost programmes
short cut to Trump saying that Powell had a reliable platform that ensured she could speak directly to the President pals interview
with barter Romo, caught trumps attention and gave her a direct line to the White House.
What an insane situation that Trump White House was in those last few monthly if it was a crazy administration throughout, but in particular, once the elections took place and one
became clear that Joe Biden was going to be the next president. All the stops were pulled out. All all hell broke loose Trump, having off the record meetings specifically to circumvent presidential records rules, Fox reporters calling up the attorney general and demanding that they investigate something that of Rapporteur thinks
They can tell the attorney general to do but lawyers like Sidney Powell using the media to try to speak to Donald Trump, because Donald Trump is known to
tv all day every day, just a complete. Ah, it's almost like a childish robber room of sorts. It's hard to even know how to describe it and, of course, wrapped up in all of us are all sorts of possible potential crimes, many of which are being investigated and
Georgia by the southern District of New York, maybe at the federal level and hopefully will find out even ten percent
But I continue to think that actually the further we get from the trunk presidency,
the more a lot of this stuff is going to be buried.
and were never really going to know the full scope of it. I want to see
blow up a little bit about the accused criminals, who
participated in rioting, destruction of property, sometimes
violence against individuals. On January six, twenty twenty one
colloquially known as the trump riots- you know the rioters. Why
were overwhelmingly from a political movement that claims to be about the rule of law.
and following the rules and doing what the law prescribes and yet they broke the law. They broke the law by trespassing, they broke the law with
and Elysium and entering the capital building. They broke the law in some cases by attacking police officers, they broke the law in some cases. By
stealing things from the capital. Some of them also destroyed the property.
media outlets outside the capital. They buy
the law in many different ways, but once you are a key
used of breaking the law, they believe in due process, and, of course, due process includes both sides of it in great include due process by those
Prosecuting you and law enforcement, but it also includes facing the charges against you in
fighting them, as you are able to do, and given a right to do with appropriate council through the judicial
system, but they're not all doing that, either after allegedly
breaking the law on January. Sixth, at least one individual has fled the country and is now
Desperately asking Bela Ruth an authoritarian state at this point in its own right for asylum, for cover in order
to avoid facing charges here in the United States. This is an extraordinary story, a guy.
I named Evan Newman from California, has started to plead
with Belarus on Bela russian State TV to let em avoid justice here in the United States. This is wild and we're gonna. Look at a video
of this ever Newman is wanted in the? U S on six criminal charges related to the attempted insurrection on January Sixth, including two felonies for assault,
an officer now remember the right claims to be about support the police law and order due process so guys accused of assaulting officers. The right should be saying: oh, this guy's got
He held accountable. This guy is now trying to avoid even facing justice. Wait, that's not law and order. He was free
in the Bell Russian State TV, special good by America. He recounted treasurer treacherous journey through forested.
Order lands that land at him in Minsk and expressed his unwillingness to face justice in the. U S Newman says he's up, sir.
in political asylum in Belarus, because the U S in his opinion, is no longer a country of law and order. Think about that think about that for a second vase.
They they are about law and order. They then
the law and say I'm going to flee justice, because my press
commission is no longer law and order. What's this
is another example of these are our principles and they are so important
until there no longer convenient for us check out this video. This video is for
I believe I twenty four news, and this special
wherever Newman is pleading for asylum in Belarus to avoid justice. It
is it not an English, so this is sort of, like God, dubbed it'll, give you a sense of what's going on.
Take a look for an area has produced the January six riots in the. U S, capital is already a propaganda. Casting the nation has chaos and violence, but the bizarre appearance of every new men have been accused capital riots from California seeking asylum in better roofs right of the world's most
for a tearing dictatorships is more than the regime here could have hopeful still, lady of our past years towards, even though I see good, why I meet a guy smug, easier premises. Yes, this is their heavily promoted, new special that good by America on Bela Russian State TV. I thought I would
By the way did I also it's also funny how these very same law and order people who broke the law allegedly and then are fleeing justice. They also claim
to be all about America, except they seem to know
understand their role in furthering anti american propaganda by show
up in Belarus and demanding asylum to avoid actually basing justice in the United States is a new s. Is nice and settling schools? The anchor says wife, with opponents of the EU s regime, there's going right into evasion after finally, the country or face imprisoned and tortured for increased taking part in progress programme. Is you have a little has actually within Show Newman himself link interview or how we got here with. Apparently by
crossing the border illegally history snake infested swamped by the way they also
say you gotta come in legally, but he
has abandoned that principle and crossed into Belarus illegally, but says it justified, because
the law and order charges against him. He feels are bogus on, of course, why care speaks English, but he's voiced over in russian it's hard to him
is actually words. They released a picture of your speech. You footwear, if he says he's photo, was put on an F b. I won t do this man's trees, but he's really explain what it is:
what happened to other people where scheming used to deal with it? What do you think they do with people like me? He asked region which I kept in solitary confinement for eight months at a time and beaten. Torture is a common thing. He explains to the belarussian reporter, tortures, of course, illegal in the United States. What is true is that Newman faces multiple criminal charges in the? U S for his alleged role in the January six insurrection prosecutors say he taunted and screamed police before dawning a gas mask and threatening offices
putting to call papers, police body, camera footage showed Newman, pushing a metal barricade into a police line before punching to offices with his fist.
Why why you decide to show some
can you deny is taking part and we were invited to come in, but we were there be carried at it states that just absolutely disgusting, so listen another one of these examples. Every principle is abandoned. Immigration
to be legal
goes illegally to Belarus law
order must be followed, commits alleged crimes which are on video on January six. We must face justice and due process and all of this
of fleet as a fugitive to a different country. All of these principles mean
a thing to them. They mean nothing when the rubber hits the road- and this is just another example- we ve got him.
Smell number, two, one: nine to David P, here's a great
smell, but it actually there's something sat in it. I have to tell you to listen to this, MR black men there from Boise,
yeah. I heard you showed a day and I just want to say that
you, MR calling, as a impersonator here Alice Jones, was off the charts, my friend so listen. We, we
we can't find my impression I recently did an impression of Alex Jones. I remember doing it where I was saying in doing the whole that
that weird conspiratorial list, the frogs and all that stuff. We can't find it. I dont room
Nor did I do it on a live stream that I do it in a Youtube clip if you know
where that Alex Jones Impression, as we want a clip it, we think it would do well.
Social media. We just can't find it. So, please, let me know. Speaking of l,
Jones he's been found liable for defamation in the sandy hook hoax case. We're gonna talk about that
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