welcome everybody. I want to start today with a foreign policy situation that is quickly building and I want to highlight, some comments that were made, which I think are sort of the epitome of the false simplification of the situation. In Russia and Ukraine. Now the context here is we have a genuinely concerning escalation in terms of Russia, aggression or threatened aggression implied aggression towards Ukraine, I We still don't really know Vladimir Putin's true intentions on the one side, once we can sit a hundred and thirty thousand russian troops massing at the Ukraine,

in border, would significant military equipped and an arsenal of various weapons. We say: Whelp Putin's clearly play to invade and try to take Ukraine. The other side would be, Putin has no intention whatsoever of invading, and this is all either sort let's see what happens, sort of thing or even further. Some say this is the logical reaction from Russia To the hostilities from Ukraine and NATO allies, saying- maybe maybe maybe you cry and will at some point become part of NATO, which would be very much not to Vladimir Putin's advantage. Now I want to highlight some comments made by former. I know it's weird say, former democratic congresswoman tools he gathered in a lot of you will say to she's. Almost excuse simply appearing on Fox and giving pretty reactionary, takes what she she was a Democrat when she was in the house

the representatives of just telling it to you like it is, and what time see gabert, says to Tucker. Karlsson is really the epitome of the false simplification that a certain wing and again I don't even want to call it a wing of the left, because it's what what what views of Hers are now really left, but it doesn't matter. This is a view on Russia, Ukraine, that is really the epitome of thee. Russia's the victim, not the aggressor and the. U S is primarily the bad actor perspective and tool see also takes it as an opportunity, not only generally to criticise the United States, but also to criticise Joe Biden and here her view on how De escalate. The the Russia, Ukraine situation take a listen to this. I will first of all Biden, President Biden, could and this crisis and prevent a war with Russia.

By doing something very simple: guaranteeing that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO because if Ukraine became a member of NATO, that would put U S a NATO troops directly on the doorstep of Russia, which, as prudent laid out would undermine their national security interests. The reality is that it is highly highly unlikely that Ukraine Lever. come a member of NATO anyway. So the question is: why doesn't prison Biden and NATO leaders actually just say that yeah guarantee Tucker loves it. This is a bit. This take is per four Fox NEWS: as you can see now, there's there's two major problems with the and the reason I'm I'm using tools comments as an unreal. This is because there's lots of people who are saying we will be the West is goading, Ukraine, I'm sorry. The west is in Russia by may be feel flirting,

the possibility that Ukraine could become part of NATO and Many of them say a promise was made that that would never be the case. So Joe, it's Joe Biden, so there's two issues here. First of all, is that the Mai major issue of. Why can't we just say the best way to pay and an escalation is for the aggressor to stop their aggression. Ok, I dont want war with Russia. I dont want to attack Russia, I'm not an imperial. I'm not a warmonger, I'm not any of those things, but we have to be able to say that's the aggressor, and the aggressive action here is not that you cry in joining NATO hasn't been ruled out. Well, let's look at the simplest and most direct form of aggression, which is what Putin is doing with troops at the border. We just have to be able to say Things are that's number one, so it's crazy to think EDA tools. He was a democratic candidate and that she actually had the support of a few percent of the democratic primary electorate.

And they fell for it and they supported her in these? Are these are her takes? But let's dig in a little more into NATO peace, there's lots of people like tool, c and others who times cannot pretend to be on the left, but they're really apologists for us Terrance and one of the things they love to repeat about Russia. Ukraine is that there was a promise made that NATO, would stop expansion and they would rule that Ukraine will be. There was a promise, Ukraine. never be part of NATO and NET The real source of aggression is starting to toy with Ukraine being part of NATO. this is all based on a why therein no such promise and because this is so prevalent in these discussions where Russia ends up being defended at the core of this is a lie such a promise. The promise that Ukraine would never join NATO was initially proposed verbally by the

Herman and, U S foreign ministries, but it was late rescinded by the heads of government, but Bush and call at the time- and it was now were put on the table again. So there is no such promised that has been codified, and why do some things obscure matter. It matter because it underlines the perspective of many of these people on the situation at the time- HANS Dietrich Genscher of Germany- said it sir, NATO, will never have troops on german soil and some other problem says that were made there, but this statement was walked back, it was walked back. no. Such promises were ever codified in any way it keeps getting ripped. Heated. Nato broke its promise. Nato is breaking its price. Miss NATO would break its promise. The? U S is breaking its promise. There No such promise, and so the focus should be on the aggressors and the aggressors here are Putin and Russia

bigger picture. Ukraine is a sovereign nation. Russia doesn't get to say we can legitimately be aggressive, because Ukraine wants to join NATO. If that's the case, and so there are some bad. factors tools he gabert is one of them who have sort of manipulated and moulded. The situation with lies by omission and the like to create this completely false narrative and unfortunately there are. There are some people on the left that are falling for its are going to continue trying to make clear what really should be very, very clear a we have in following during our lives streams, not so much during the podcast, but during our lives streams. This trucker convoy in Canada, which has been I don't even really want to call it organizing the sort of in demonstrating by blocking roads and honking horns against vaccine mandates,

heavily related to provincial canadian government decisions, and now the big thing is that the Navy and truckers are going to come to the? U S, along with american truckers in order to protest, Joe Biden, vaccine mandates and, of course, the problem with that is there really are no such mandates that the Supreme Court blocked the Biden mandates are we're gonna get to that. But there are people, including a Tucker Karlsson, who were now around Paul is another they are starting to lionize. These truckers, heroic freedom fighters against turbines oppressive? You know whatever. Let's take a listen to Tucker here, tell that's what's gonna be happening and that failing tonight, a group of american trappers. They will begin a nationwide truck convoy in this country starting next month in protest against your binds vaccine mandates right now. The problem is:

Joe Biden, vaccine mandates, essentially do not exist. I mean it's, you know it's sort of like. We must protest against the amount and locked downs right, but what you mean Sometimes people wear masks what what locked down so you talking about the Supreme Court blocked the I'd and vaccine mandate for employers, more than one hundred employees in January. It's done, there is no such mandate, not to mention that it wasn't even really a mandate in that anybody didn't want to be vaccinated could just test instead and only once a week not once a day. The way Fox news as much stricter requirements are put in place. States are responsible for implementing their own vaccine requirements as they. So please, different stew, to put in place different rules and as a reminder, the requirements for crossing the border. You know a big thing with truckers is over: we

You gotta be vaccinated to go to Canada to come back from Canada, whatever this is number one up lying in many countries and its applying in both directions. So the idea of protesting by Vaccine mandates is bogus and bizarre. This is not really about vaccine mandates. First and foremost, it's about once again similar he too. The Trump riots and trumps threats. Mass protests and all these things it's about generating unrest, which they believe they can use to their advantage. It there's a few different ways in which they might do that which will talk about later this week. The other important aspect of this american truck convoy that is, as usual, hypocritical and and deceptive. Is the very same people blaming Biden for this.

Ply chain issues which are really global supply chain issues that need to be fixed, of course, but they are blaming Biden for them, you're going to do something which will, at least in principle, make those supplying supply chain issues worse. It is not the man. dates that are making the supply chain issues a problem. There are global economic realities that are having that impact, but taking all of He's truckers who themselves are responsible for moving product around and not we taking them off the road moving product, but also blocking roads and bridges whatever they plan to do that's going to make it more difficult to move. Products around the United States. They are going to make worse the very problem that they are blaming Joe Biden for so it doesn't have to do with that vaccine mandate. Obviously, if you couldn't tell and also Member. The hypocrisy that they claim to be all about law and order, and yet they are encouraged.

Blocking roads, which is against the law and weaken, have our views you it it's a completely legitimate perspective to defend that when it is time to make an impact. You dont protest in the ways that make everybody comfortable part of civil disobedience long. History of this is what you going to do, things that are gonna make people uncomfortable that they pay attention to you. I get that, but what was their view of Antigua blocking roads or black lives matter blocking roads they were all about law and order, then, and now all of a sudden breaking the law is justified to protest, nonexistent mandates that they claim to be protesting against. So the real concern at the end of the day, is, is this going to lead to more violence and more insanity in Canada, although there was smattering of white nationalism, Anti Semitism and xenophobia. Within these protests they were most What we would generally describe as peaceful in the union

states. I worry that they won't be, and Donald Trump continued escalating rhetoric about we're gonna protest this and the big protests ever and all of this kind of coded language about protests. I'm worried about. What's going to happen next month, we will be following it and I'm curious to hear from you. Let me know it d pachmann. What do you expect as far as this american version?

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six hours earlier than we release it publicly. All of those great benefits and more are available if you sign up at join pachmann dot com, a let's talk a little bit about now who claims relating to the twenty twenty a presidential election- and I know many of you will say David, it's fifteen months, it's that was fifty months ago, how could we're still getting new claims? And the answer is that, yes, we are and this one is particularly important because it really shows the naivete of many of the belief yours in these twenty twenty big lie. Type stories were going to look at a very interesting but also kind of vomiting clip from apparently Republic in Congress, Matt Gates, who is being investigated for all sorts of serious crimes. Matt Gates, I guess, has a podcast on right wing platform rumble with

the David Pachmann Show now also is on were put it, throwing our hat in the ring, seeing if we can t programme some people over on rumble and gates interviewed Marjorie Taylor, green fellow radical republican congresswoman, now Marjorie Taylor Green has previously made some statements about her husband's twenty twenty vote. But in this she's straight up says that her husband's vote was stolen. It was stolen back and twenty twenty and there He showed up and they said Mister Green Sir. You ve already vote and let us listen to her story, this will be new. I presume to most of you because she's never told the story within this particular way ever before, even though it's been fifteen months since the election, we will get criticism after this episode airs. I can Caroline, I haven't, even by the way remember it's, I couldn't care less and I dont know some of you wrote to me, and you said no,

There is a longer version of the phrase in which it was. I could care last sarcastically. Ok, the phrase now I couldn't care less, and I know I must point that out. It's very important the sentence, but I totally get the energy. We will get criticism because, We are making famous the people in Georgia who, I think are able to perpetrate fraud based on their anonymity, should be famous be famous, and I honestly think in all of your husband's out was stolen. Tell me about it. So Perry goes to go out in the general election and he goes in person because we don't do absentee ballots. We never requested one. We will not take part in it. He goes and percentages excited to go vote for me for Congress and vote for that. Tramping and vote were publications that, and they say for green voted by absentee ballot. He was shot this was then in November for the twenty two election. He has

I have not voted absentee ballot. I never even ordered one and they think tat. We haven't right here and it showed on the screen that he'd already voted absentee ballot. He had to go through the this forty five minute process fine and all these waivers proving this Ninos, eight men saying he had not voted before let him go cast. His vote like Calais and actually boat in person, so but guess what there was now You know one told him that they would find the fake ballot right did supposedly when Cason his name by absentee and no one said we can get rid of that and tear it up. No, there is no actual proof that anybody did submit that we don't and no assuming what she saying is true. We nowhere. It was merely a clerical era. We just don't know, and the other important thing is, that the story that she told was different back in November of

when he twenty the Atlanta Journal Constitution covered this in an article called Green, falsely claims. Husbands voting record reveals a scam she tweeted at the time. Now we can't go back and look at the original tweet, because she's been banned from twitter for spreading weapon, Ized Kova disinformation, but at the time she wrote Joe Joe elections scam my huh, never requested an absentee ballot. But when he went to vote they told him he adopted but he received his absentee ballot, but he never requested an absentee ballot. Nor did he send one in green post a screen shot of Perry. Greens, voter information, showing her huh and voted early on October. Twenty third another boat was accepted. Green also shows a second ballot requested and receive the same day was cancelled. What really happened to the other ballot now under then that there now we have to now. We have a story of to early ballots, which she didn't just mention. Two Matt Gates, Robert Brady, the chief clerk of elections from floor,

County said nothing happened. The ballot was cancelled according to procedure According to this, he signed an affidavit on the twenty third of October and was allowed to vote. He only voted once Trump question this as well. I also relevant to the Marjorie Taylor Green thing: green an tweeting about her husband's ballot. Sunday. By Monday, it had been retweeted more than seven thousand times Brady the Floyd election official said he couldn't tell from the information available Monday, if parent Monday, if Perry Green, had actually been sent a ballot or if it was a data entry but either way the pole worker followed. The correct version you're by cancelling the application. Asking about her assign affidavit and then providing a fresh ballot that in person ballot was accepted, once this shows him as having cast a ballot. It wouldn't matter. If we got twenty five more, we are not going to. Take any more of them, because we know there aren't more ballots in play. So it's all super.

confusing and She also said that this happened in November, but its unclear, like all of this It happened in October, in which case law, did. She say it happened in November. It's all bizarre, it's all confusing- and this is actually a very trompe and strategy which is sort of like tell aversion, tell every version of any particular story. My husband's vote was stolen. He got two ballots. Now you got one. We went in person in November, while the record shows you went in and October. Well that doesn't matter, it was definitely stolen and we ve got a fix it and, of course, at the end of the day, it all all more or less a red herring because in regardless of what happened only one of Perry, Greens potentially multiple votes, was counted, meaning the system worked correctly number two. It wouldn't have made a difference in the state of Georgia and number three. Even if it had made a difference in the state of Georgia, it wouldn't have made a difference.

the United States. That doesn't mean we dont care about suppose it irregularities and again. This is only a suppose. It irregularity because Marjorie Taylor, green story so convoluted. We don't even really know which and she alleged to be true, doesn't mean you don't care about irregularities, but when we say our election more or less working when it comes to the logistics of voting, one question would be: would alleged irregularities that have been actually reported in a proper way, not trump vaguely mentioning they lost a hundred thousand votes? There's no evidence for that, but are the actual report did irregularities even a fraction of the margin in any state. The answer is, of course, no and that's what really mean when we say can we generally speaking, trust the results now separately, and this is why it there's a sort of projection from the right on this separately, and there is the question of: did everybody who intended to vote actually vote when

talk about the voter suppression techniques, limiting voting hours, purging people from voter rules. voluntary stuff like that and that's a different story, but it's important to understand that, while the right claims, the problem is stuff like this. Well, they just delete two hundred thousand votes. No, that doesn't appear to be the problem. The real issue are the concerted voter suppression tactics that we ve been covering for what close to fifteen years or something like that. So yet another story for Marjorie Taylor, green that just doesn't really quite make sense I want to go to something absolutely fascinating. You know in all, This discussion in the last month about MIKE Pens could have MIKE pens, should have MIKE Pence, had a duty to overturn the twenty twenty presidential election results and, of course he didn't have that ability and he certainly didn't have the duty to do it one of the things that is increasingly being mentioned as well. If MIKE Pence could effectively choose the winner of an election

means common Harris could do the same thing in twenty twenty four common Harris. The decide who wins understood that, it's not just. She says I award the presidency to whoever by strategic generally choosing to reject the ballots from certain AIDS and send them back for an alternative slate of elected. You guys understand it's a little bit more nuanced than just the vice president chooses Well Donald Trump former D I'll trump economic adviser, Peter Navarro, appeared on MSNBC and was interviewed by our member, and this is good because our Albert just says to him, but if pence could do it, then Kamel Harris could do it right away Peter Navarro twists himself into an incredible pretzel, put a final note on this section. Yes, it would follow from your contention that you think Vice President Harris will ultimately have the call over who should be president. Regardless of the results in the next election, see you misconstrued the whole Green Bay,

we plan it's not or the vice president to determine who wins. Ok, the only thing the prince had the authority to do is go back to the states and let the states look at the votes in the state, in our constitution, who have the right to decide who won an election but you're, not what which states were they that he had the right to do that with and on what basis was he going to say I'm sending this back to the states because member, although go challenges that were filed, that the state levels were found to be without merit being anything you say when you write a hare, makes you russian Peter Ass for US I get, makes you, but it seems like it's, maybe you stretch when we just change the name from Harris. Are you No, no, not then holding the continuing idealistic imagine you'll get yours. I hate it. When you request already to change, you later results rising.

That was not the premise of your argument or you're wondering how I cedar. Let's traitor a second look so, let's say that under your contention, vice President Harris could take any states that her side lost at sea. actively send those back. That's your current contention! If, if any brand Vice president, one day under the Electoral Count ACT of aid He now, eighty seven we'll get to that act by the way. If there are objections better raised about the states? provision is that you have two hours of, and I now the problem with this. If there are objections raised there, a raised objections without merit only in certain states. So, of course, if the sugar on the other foot and Karla Harris said. Well, you know what we have objections that have been raised in Florida. and Ohio and ominous send them back. People like Peter Nevada,

It would be out there saying, but those objections aren't legitimate and that's the issue because he says well objections have been raised, the vice premier I can say were sending it back, and I don't know in Arizona their plan was to just say we are going to send you a republican electors. The question is: who did harmony. The legitimacy of those objections, and none of the objections raised by these trumpets in Arizona or Michigan or wherever were found. Have any merit now. I want to mention one other piece. He says the Electoral Count ACT of eighteen. Eighty, seven, the electoral out count active eighteen, eighty, six was put in place because nine years prior there was a disputed election and it took nine years and they put together this act in eighteen. Eighty seven, it puts the onus of solving disputes on the states? doesn't say that if there is a state dispute, the vip, can say were sending Arizona back, send us the

public and electors. That was their plan. The electoral Count ACT is very narrow, and these trumpets care. Now you go to the rallies and they repeated electoral count active eighteen, eighty, seven, the electoral count at act of eighteen. Eighty seven says: if there is a desire You like, for example, in Arizona. The vice president could say we're gonna, send this back to resolve the dispute in the state, but the disputes that the Trump people put together in places like Arizona were found to be without merit. You don't get to say well, there is a dispute so we're going to ignore the nine or however, two hundred and seventy electoral votes vote for Biden from Arizona and instead will accept seven electoral votes for Trump. That's not how it works and the entire framing of what that Ella Turrell Count ACT did is being completely bastardized by these people. You probably know that so not surprising when

fronted with well. If pence could get to pick, doesn't come on we'll get to pick he's as well. It depends on whether there are disputes right, but who decides if the dispute is legitimate? Well, they do. Apparently they do in. My pants was supposed to decide that will have this clip on our instagram. If you ve, just been listening today, finds us on Instagram at David Pachmann show one of us. Answers is splendid spoon, and now, if you're like me, I love planning my meals out for the weak, but sometimes I just run out of time to plan them for every single day and splendid spoon makes that whole process a lot easier. They deliver fresh, delicious plant based meals right here door, ready to eat. No cooking. No cleaning dishes saves you a lot of time. You can choose from over fifty hot and cold meal options there soon these grain and noodle bull soups, I'm a big soup guy. Many of you know that I also really liked the vague meatballs

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of information handling under the former administration is exposed at being even worse than we imagined and remember the back story and the framing here, Hillary Clinton in twenty fifteen and twenty six, the and we were told, cannot be president. We, can't trust her as president. Why well, Private email proper handling of secret information, sensitive information, just not trustworthy, and then Did we have yeah trump spill secrets? HU, a russian spy recruiter in the oval office and trot family, Yvonne, Jared Cushion or using private email for White House business own now and then trumps ripping Presidential records in the in the White House and people are running in trying to tape them together, I'm is sending documents and burn bags to the Pentagon to be incinerated, but Hilary we couldn't have trusted and then we find out Trump was flushing

documents down the White House toilet, it was getting clogged and staff was having to come in to you now start a plunging away to try to unplug trumps toilet from all the documents and then National archives has had to go to Morrow Logo to take back documents from Trump that he improperly took. From the White House, and it turns out now that it wasn't just documents generically that the heart of this mishandling crisis involving Donald Trump We now know guys that this includes classified and documents marked, as top secret, There is a new explosive report from the Washington Post, some trump taken to MAR logo clearly marked as classified including documents at top secret level. This was not previously reported

Washington Post rights. Some of the White House documents that Donald Trump improperly took to Morrow Logo were clearly marked as classified including documents at the top secret level, this according to two people, familiar with the matter, the existence of clearly marked classified documents in the trove, which has not been previously It is likely to intensify the legal pressure that Trump or his staffers could face and raises. questions about why the materials were taken out of the White House. It was clear? How many classified documents were among those received by the national archives? Some bore markings that the information was extremely sensitive and would be like into a small group of officials with authority to view such highly classified information. The doctrine we're just sitting around it mar a guys the markings we're. discovered by the nation. Archives, which last month arranged to collect fifteen boxes from trumps residence archive officials. the justice Department. To look into this, though, as a third,

afternoon FBI agents had yet to review the material. It remained unclear whether the Justice Department with launch a full fledged investigation, The files were being stored in a sensitive compartment information facility, while Justice Department officials debate how to proceed like others. In this story, people spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a petition potentially sense politically sensitive matter, Now the trump position on this is according to spokesman, Taylor, Buddha, which it clear that a normal and routine process is being weapon eyes by anonymous, politically motivated government sources to peddle fake news. No, no, the president, taking top secret, documents to his house, after no longer being president is not a routine matter. It is not a routine matter and Remember again that when we think back to the Clinton era, bill- and now I mentioned this last week- Bill Clinton,

a national security adviser named Sandy Burger Sandy took four documents that He was not supposed to have in his possession independently of you know where they were supposed to be stored. Andy Burger was fined. Fifty thousand dollars was given years of probation and he lost his license to practise law. Is there no point at which there would be consequences, for them and there is also another question, which is: why did Donald Trump? Even do this? Like I? trumps, not really a sentimental guy. So it's hard to imagine that he took talks Topsecret, events, for sentimental reasons was he may be. Thinking of these die commence as being in his hands as protecting him in some way, its mere population. Did he in being trump. Did you think? Maybe he could sell documents for money at some point like it's, it's all bizarre

and remember that the base of all of trumps campaign against Hillary Clinton back and twenty sixteen, and even possibly what put em over the top thanks to James Combings. Second press conference about Hillary Clinton, Z, the whole premise was Hilary can't be trusted with sensitive information. Does anybody belief, second, that Hilary would be flushing documents down her toilet, clogging it and then calling down to maintenance saying bring the plunder, I've clog the toilet with documents again Gimme a break ice you're breaking this, was that the main reason we weren't supposed to vote for Hillary Clinton? Will there consequences outer no Jamie Rask and believes there will be and will cover that story later on this week I remain very, very sceptical: ok, a done tromp spent the weekend deliver These febrile unhappy dinner views to a number of different media outlets, including Fox NEWS and others, and some of these are.

fascinating in that Trump reveals his retrospective view of his presidency. It's bizarre and we're going to get to that, first and foremost, just a kind of like get some some business out of the way Trump asked the boy the story that he was flushing documents down the toilet. He says it's not who, and that there's no way, Maggie Haber men who is breaking that story would know if it were hears Trump. I say totally false story. He made it up. I don't believe that who's gonna, be a source, but that, anyway, you would know that has been stores. They bring White House staff who admit we were called up to unplug trumps toilet and it appeared that what was in there was was paper documents with with stuff right now they often times these big writers like her. They act like they tell me like. She knows we have spoken, earn A very very long time you know, I think there are criticisms to be made of Maggie Haber meant one. Such criticism would be

If she knew for a while that Trump was power, flushing documents down his toilet, you could say She had a duty to expose that before. Being able to monetize it in a book. This is not. Criticism unique to Maggie Haven. Many of these people hold the most insane stuff. They know for a book on which they make money. That would be a critic. but Maggie Haberman is not have a track record of making stuff offer. Making up source which would be incredibly serious thing to do as in Europe Times reporter. As we know better than the other writer, but they write books like they now and then they make things like that up and it would be no way of her going. If it were the fact there would be no way of our understanding that allowing it well she claims to, and she has a certainly much, honest track record than does Donald Trump, so Donald Trump.

then going from Fox NEWS over to the USA radio Network, where he was interviewed by Wayne Alan roots way now en route has been a guest on show many times and we we now and rude has been one of the guys saying. If Republicans take the house in November, make trumpet the speaker remember, you don't have to be a member of the house to be made speaker, they can vote for buddy and Trump could be made speaker of the House way now and route. Six trump is this something you would think about, and here's the wild and wacky answer the idea. Why can't after we win back the house, you become speaker of the house even for a short period, just until we can in the open investigations against binding and the like cried family? Well, I think a lot of things are happening in a lot of very positive. Things are happening in Europe when you into the future, and that was your idea. I heard it from you first I don't know it certainly is

in going around and frankly, I hope we don't need it, because what should happen is what, the planned and whereon Now- and I think, a landed here to make people very, very happy we'll be in answering some time later. Santa really what should happen, but now, of course, is he dizzy, alluding to we're going to announce that I'm going to run? We still don't know we we just we just aren't sure, but everything is always just around the corner with Donna on Ben, certainly not ruling out the idea of him being speaker of the house now a b. Parity back to Fox NEWS Trump making of confusing and dishonest claim about the book: the wall, the infamous wall. We were two and a half weeks away from regular finishing the wall witches largely frankly, finished anyway, the tremendous help right. We were to do so so consider that we were two to three weeks from finishing the entire wall. With the? U S, Mexico Border, that's untrue to complete and total lie,

there is no wall on the vast majority of the border. They were not about to finish it, but then he says, and quite frankly, it was finished Well Why did you need two to three weeks to finish it? If it's finished and and of course, then the real policy question is: if you finished the wall Why isn't it stopping people from coming over which Trump claims are are coming over in record numbers under Joe Biden Bit? If the Is there how isn't it? I wasn't working, it's all Very strange now here is the wacky. This is the most delusional part of the entire interview. Trump described his presidency as being a glare, this time in american history and a romantic p is it he imagines. His presidency was like an episode of doubt and Abbe adjusted numbers

We was thriving, we're just beating everybody and by the way, Georgie China, massive taxes and Arabs, take it in hundreds of billions of dollars. We never took in Is he still doesn't understand how tariffs work? You guys know this right like when Trump says we were charging tight China terror, and taking in money from China. That's not the way it works. The tariffs are paid by the american companies importing the chinese goods fine need its he'll to build an american company and you put a tariff unchecked. these steel. I pay China, the steel, the chinese company for the steel, and then I pay a tariff to the? U S, government its american companies that pay the tariffs. He still doesn't appear to get ok, but let's continue and that, in my view that is the romantic buried. I think- and I think that's really why

the well, because there is a lot of romance that tobacco is, despite all of the vicious hope, Susan and scams, that they fall. That made up stories like Russia, you're right here you know yet the Mahler, yet a beach been out number one impeachment operative. Despite all of that review the very glamorous die, because I can't you is doing so well this. This is so I get that its trump is. You know seeing himself as some kind of Elizabethan Lit leader during a romantic eights all bizarre, and it's me it's empirically untrue. The mutation of the? U S under tromp was. I know that with Trump it's this is can be literal. It was. the toilet. You know he had tat Nugent in the oval office, not exactly the pinnacle of glamour or romanticism, but but of course the U S was

widely seen as the global laughingstock under Trump. Ok, one last clip from this unhinged series of interviews Trump Round out his media tour this weekend by spreading mask DIS information, and everybody says that the mass or the new variant at believe is a virtual An effective I've been totally ineffective, lie daughter of what they are doing and why they are doing it, but they ve come out instead, that the mask has almost no impact, especially on the new variant, and now that's, of course, untrue. What we have found out is that do how contagious alma cron is you really wanna be wearing a properly fitted and ninety five k and ninety five, I think, there's the K. If ninety foursome you do you want a properly fitting good mask where

one of those gators or, as I once saw a woman not to do on a plane cover her face with a paper towel to walk to the bathroom or you don't want to be doing that. You want to be wearing a proper actual protective mask, so really very danger. And weapon eyes this information being spread by tromp, but funding Do we still repeating all of the same? Lies he's been repeating and theirs. It there's a whole network of places where he's aloud do it. He goes on away and he goes unused MAX Fox news. The way now and show what wherever he's accepting interviews other than that recent NPR interview where he was actually confronted and hung up the phone. He is welcomed, and allowed to spread. All of this stuff in that should really concern all of us, because there is still a very willing audience drawer, narrowly receptive to the lies, sighing has shown us that lowering your body temperature at night helps you sleep. I can't sleep in a hot,

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inclusive discount. The link is in the podcast notes. You guys know that any opportunity to explain a an economics concept or a behavioral economics concept. I welcome those opportunities on the show, and today I have that opportunity, thanks to an anti vaccine leader who has repented an anti vaccine leader who was completely committed to their anti vaccine act ism, but has now changed their minds and admits that the anti factors have deaths on their consciences, if not on their hands, this is a very interesting story and there is a lot to say about it as Newsweek reports anti I've seen speaker past squalid bacco repents after one of his fans has died of covered on vaccinated and we'll talk a little bit about when it becomes personal, an italian anti vaccines speaker has expired.

remorse about his actions after he discovered that a follower of his who died of covert had video? who's on his cell phone of speech. is that he made a squalid. Bacco is a doctor who was a prominent anti backs activist in ITALY. Taking part in numerous rallies and events, but now bacco who has more than seven thousand followers on Facebook said he a believer in the effectiveness of vaccines when asked the interviewer. What changed his mind? Bacco talked about an incident in which he saw a twenty nine year old man die of covert quote he on his mobile phone. The videos. my rallies at the demonstrations of the UN vaccinated? The family told me he was a fan of mine They didn't tell me with anger. On the contrary, and this hurt me even more, I feel like that. Death was my fault, and the thing still bothers me today, for it was

not a creed. When I saw the reality of my own eyes with my own eyes, I realized that I was wrong asked whether he felt guilty about his actions. Box said. I think that those of us who went up on those stages have deaths on our conscience. All of us, anti vaccine activists have been great hours. We went to the squares and when we spoke, we knew that people want. To hear shocking thing, so you provoke more and more. We were really big bastards, I dont hide it? That's the truth for this I have asked for Forgive from everyone, but that forgiveness is useful. He spoke, around three hundred Anti backs protests and was the only young doktor with experience among the speakers, and he now recognises the destructive power of being a doktor at these events he said quote what I said was pure gold for people who are afraid and looking for certainty

don't realize you're losing your rationality. You lose your mind while being a rational person. At that moment, a dangerous process takes place. That anti facts is a faith and you become a god, you enter absolute madness. The anti actors or people who are afraid and find security in you all So many important things here number one for years. I have been talking about this phenomenon wherein part of what makes conspiracy theories and conspiratorial thinking attractive, is that it provides certain he in an uncertain world, and that applies here and I'll, explain it in very clear terms. Whether let me give an analogy first and then I'll explain what what this is, why Is it that some people its appealing when there is a horrible mass shooting that killed twenty kids, I won't even say the name of it, because then the video,

that demonetized or limited there's, a mass shooting and twenty kids die, and so people come out and they say it was a false flag planned event with crisis actors meant to create fear to justice, by taking people's gods white, why do they say that? Because the truth is really scary, the truth is uncertain. The truth is kids are mostly safe in school, but sometimes seemingly randomly you might say well in Nebraska, so it won't happen here, we're in Connecticut. It won't happen here randomly these horrible things happen and your kid is killed and that uncertainty is really difficult for many people to accept and so it's more in a sense comforting to believe there is no randomness here. This was a plan d that now it ignores that the event could be planned. at your kids school or someone else's school, but

gives you a sense that there's not this random unpredictable nature to the world? Similarly, it's really stressful today to believe. Well, there's a virus and most people are okay, but a bunch of people dying. Sometimes who dies is unpredictable? Could it be mere? Maybe not and there's this vaccine, which mostly effective at preventing people from dying, but it's a bell curve, distribution and every once in a while. There will be people who are fully back needed and they die. So it's simpler to believe the vaccines just not work their evil tools, they are meant to control people or microchip, or would they they would, rather that it's all planned. It's all planned rather than vaccine, probably will protect you, but it might nod and divide

probably won't, kill you, but it might, and it could be your parent or childhood, and that is exactly what passed quietly. Bacco is picking up on here when he says the certainty of the Anti backs stuff, particularly hearing it from a doctor is so important. Now do we like forgive this guy, doesn't even really matter uninstall son about forgiving or whatever the case is one other thing that's put up at pray here at play: is don't fall prey to the sunk, cost fallacy you're, always better off coming around and turning back to sanity and a lot of people like this guy because they feel like I'm, I'm really committed to this anti that stuff, I'm too far gone, I'm not turning around. You can always come back and the sunk cost fallacy couple of examples. Are you buy a ticket to a movie. the two hour movie and after an hour in fifteen minutes. You like this is the worst movie I've ever seen, but I already paid so I might as well stay. If you

Good, better use those last forty five minutes to do something more enjoyable than watch the crappy movie you ve paid for the ticket either way you shouldn't stay because you ve already sunk a cost into that movie you get out and you enjoy the last forty five minutes doing something else. That's the sunk cost fallacy. Now, When, as you know, you go to a casino and you lose percent of your money and you stop having fun, but you figure. While I lost eighty percent of the money I might as well keep playing now. Yet you don't have to he playing and lose all of it just walk away and go do something, that's more fun. So that's the sunk cost fallacy good for per squalor here, not falling fortunes. As far as I am I'm

they turn around and that's exactly what he did and I am not even saying he should be forgiven or not, but very interesting commentary from the sky. Ok did this is now just stop it. It's it's sad that it has gotten to this point. Donald Trump has suggested that at times past it would have been appropriate to put some Hillary Clinton. operatives to death to death to kill them. There is a supposed spying operation, there's a court file that happened last week, which all mention briefly and it all like doesn't really matter what the facts are, but a mention that last week it was alleged a special council John Durham, that Clinton campaign lawyer, Michael Specimen paid tech companies and researchers to mine. Internet data to establish an inn.

parents and narrative tying trump to rush at this was reported by Fox NEWS, and the right became absolutely titillated by it. Trump put out a stay, met, saying the latest pleading from special Council Robert Durham provides disputable, evidence that my campaign and presidency were spied on by operatives paid by the Hillary Clinton campaign in an effort to develop a completely fabricated connection to Russia by the way. Even if true, that's not what the allegations exposed, but ok, From goes on to say this is a scandal, far greater in scope and magnitude than Watergate. That's not true! and those who were involved in and knew about. This spying operation should be subject to criminal prosecution in a store longer period of time in our country, this crime would have been punishable by death. In

mission reparations should be paid to those in our country who have been damaged by this. I would say at what point do we have to say this isn't funny any more. But the thing is we said that the day after Trump was elected in twenty. Sixteen, it's now even more, not funny it's hard to even know what words to apply to this: Are there no consequences for threatening violence as long as you are in a position of power and have money, something is fair, very wrong here. Something is wrong. We have so many people that here this and they say trumps right, go on the right wing. claims go on the right wing sub, read its check out rumble where, where I'm now Data Bank paying attention, now that we are putting our content up there and people here from say this and they say he's right. These people should be put to death. They ve not been even charged with any crime nevermind convicted tonight having clear they did anything illegal

but they're there. It's it's not just that trumpet saying they should be put to death. There's a contingent of the country, that's as they should be killed and something is also very wrong. That there are never any repercussions for any other stuff. If you are in a position of power, of course, absolutely incredible and the fear is mainly in you guys know what the fierce right now repercussions for any of these people. We already saw how effectively trump can in sight a riot We already heard from Trump at bout with recent rallies. We're gonna have even bigger protest if they charge me with anything. If these investigations we we will have the biggest protests have. Which is again Trump alluding to his supporters. Doing violence is it seemed ready to do more violence, and we should be scared. We should be scared, and I try never to be hyperbolic here.

But at this point I am very worried about what the next eight and a half months leading up to the mid terms, will look like and then, depending on what happens at the midterms, depending if republicans take over what is going to happen in the lead up to the twenty twenty four election. Very, very scary, we have a voice mail number, and that number is too one nine to David P,. You can leave a voice. Mail about anything here is smell that was left pointing out the continued so called free speech, confusion that many on the right experiencing, take a listen to this David is: why is constantly cry about free speech, but they never thinking Eliza there only applies to the federal government. Does why don't basis you for amending the constitution to apply the same rules for private companies well, because they don't necessarily no, that yes, so that this is a very important thing, shit free, speeches sometimes used colloquially, just to say

me saying whatever I want wherever I want, with no consequences and nobody having an ability to limit what I'm allowed to say. Now, of course, when you're on a platform that has terms of service and you're, not being scrimmage, aided against because of your race or religion or whatever the platform can enforce terms of service, and this is a good point that when we talk about the first amendment, we are talking about government limiting speech. Does the bulk of the right wing realise that when we talk about my first amendment right to freeze each it doesn't apply to twitter, some of them might, but many of them don't. But the next question is a good one. Why don't they just say? First, amendment rights should apply to private. companies of all kinds and the reason some of them don't do. It is because they don't even understand what we're talking about. Ok put those aside the reason more prominent Republicans don't sit

yes, that is they realise that it actually is a dangerous slippery slope in I I make a point to signal when the fear A slippery slope isn't is unwarranted. There's lots, for example, they would say- Oh the vaccine mandates are going to open the door to what all sorts of protectionism. It hasn't happened. We ve had vaccine requirement in this country for a hundred years, and even when it comes to the covert vaccine mandates, the mostly been relaxed the Supreme Court, said no divides it was there is no slippery slope, they're they're, just Historically, we knew there wouldn't be common sense. We knew there wouldn't be when it comes to, entire absolute free speech applied to all companies period. It actually would be a crazy slippery slope when it comes to an employers ability to limit work. Workers from speaking customers it it would actually.

an insanely heavy handed form of the regulation of businesses, and many republicans realise that and that they will vaguely say all we know work. We ve gotta conservatives gotta make sure that we have a voice on platforms in whatever, but they tippit We stopped short of that extremely third Terry and, at the end of the day, claim or request that free speech should apply to any private company the way it does to the government because they understand the very serious repercussions and they understand it would be completely counter to their view of let businesses do what they want to do as long as it's not against the law, and sometimes even if it is replied. Many republicans know that smarter republicans recognise that and that's why they don't say: let's regulate, beneath and the exact same way when it comes to speech, as the government is regulated by the first amendment. we have a great bonus show for you. Today we will talk about the superbowl half time. Shall I have a number of different thoughts about it? Can go

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