right so we're gonna start today with something a little different will will be kind of taking a tour or having a lesson in real Canary Fearmongering and how people can get sort of into reactionary thinking and these reactionary ideas and we're going to start. Today, we actually of two clips that we're going to look at two different segment in the first clip we're going to look at a piece of an interview that right wing hosts Glenn back recently did with a guy named James Lindsey, and I dont want to say too much about the clip to start with other than you

we can identify serious analogies to the sort of a febrile screens of authoritarian and fascists over. The history of the twentyth century does allow Mussolini and what I'm going to play for you here and what you were going to see are essentially unfounded conspiracy theories prison did in a particular way to make you afraid and to me You want to say we have to stop this and the way to stop this is by screw emanating against others taking away the rights of others etc, and you can see Glenn back conducting the interview here, James Linz, is being interviewed and let's just jump right in and then we're we're gonna talk about a lot of different things here. They know I was really bizarre belief not to get too theoretical out of that. I dont believe that we ever actually out a marketplace of ideas. I don't think

actually arrived. I think we ended up getting an aristocracy of ideas through these expert class, whether its integrity government, whether it's you know, you'd, ingratitude aggressive era. I think that we first part here is even the information. You are given its all controlled by elite individuals and it's not true, and they want to apply this to covert right now, but they want to to a lot of other things. And, of course there is also the colonel of truth, which is well wish all think about how we came to believe the things we believe we should think critically. But these are the very people who write off that type of education, critical thinking, a pistol, Ology philosophy, media literacy, as left wing indoctrination, so they're telling you you you ve, been tricked. but they also don't want you to have the tools to avoid being tricked at an aristocracy of ideas, and what happened is it? internet has unleashed.

the flame of the enlightenment, a second and end, of course, again he's right that the internet has made it difficult for people to figure out what's real and what not, but the disinformation that is being spread on the internet in the covert era is disproportionately right. Wing nonsense, there's also left wing nonsense. the internet as well. We ve talked about you, don't natural news and anti backs movements that predate covered, which which did have and on the left, but they're they're describing what they ve done. I'm telling you these people are frauds and their criminals and their their jokes and that its It's coming for them, they are going to lose all their power there going to be proposed for crimes. The likes of which we ve never seen in human history. You you are one hundred percent right? This is, This, I believe, is the biggest crime in all of human history. And of course, what are they talking about right? There, stimulating fear,

It's not even really clear like what. Saying as the crime that people post stuff to the internet, that we don't think is truly what exactly we talk about, and this is typical. They use Andy, owes language trump does it to which the bids, the biggest political crime we ve ever seen, and it's not super clear. What it is, but you see then being alarmist, and it makes others alarmist five of the biggest in human history mixed I warrior and it when it when it we need all hits if they dont have us all in cages. Right in trouble during the launch of the Euro Zone and how that's again it's it's going to get much worse and they might. Slave us and on in a book. But what are they even talking about probable, and They do have us all in cages, we're in a lot of trouble, because that I saw this and if you saw this clip from the World Economic Forum, one of the elite said you know we did this study and The good news is the Elites trust

the other elites more than ever before, but the others? Don't trust us anywhere on earth better, have a rock solid prison. everywhere, because there will be a revolution. Yet what on earth is he talking about I really want to encourage everybody to read the art, gold. The reactionary trap by South Moskowitz we're gonna have set on the show it may be in April to talk about it. He outlines just Google South Moscow, it's the reactionary trap, also going to link to it on the Youtube channel. He explains exactly how people fall into this reactionary type thinking any specifically talks about James Linsey. In the article actually actually and when we say reactionary, what we're talking about as someone with stream, opposition to dramatic so

show or political change and, of course, some time. There is reason to oppose dramatic social or political change, but what distinguishes reactionaries as South rights in the article is number one they become so preoccupied with who or what they are against. that the foundation of their own politics throws out reason and first principles, and we ve seen this now four years and as I've told you before, you have these right wingers who states certain prince balls, and as soon as the principles conflict with what the outcomes are inconvenient to the outcomes they want, they abandon their principles. We ve seen this when it comes to business regulation. We ve seen this with the boat, my body, my choice. All these different things. They have principles they state are their principles. and as soon as those principles would would go counter to what they want. As the preconceived predetermined outcome, then they abandon the principle. So that's check and the number two

reactionaries vastly inflate the threat of whatever they oppose they eat up, we might just be again something for some kind of euro cents We'll reason- and we just don't like it, but nothing catastrophic is going to happen, but no they have to inflate the threatened say it will be a catastrophe if Ex happens and what that does. Is it drives disproportionate responses? If you're told oh Yeah I mean you know if schools require a covert vaccine. Next thing you know, will all be in cages that drives a disproportionate response when it's like. Actually, there have been vaccine requirements for a hundred years and it doesn't escalate. There's no slippery slope and we'll talk about that next and there's a lot of we ve seen a lot of that in history. like the Anti communist movement of the twentieth century. Remember I'm not a socialist, I'm, not a communist, but I accurately see that there was no threat right when we go to the Mccarthy hearings, etc. It it's

red inflation. This is going to end every thing. It's gonna end life as we know it and Leah Master class in fascistic authoritarian, fearmongering here from Glenn Back and James Lindsey, and we ve got similar thing in the next segment when it comes to Dave Reuben. So let's talk about that next, a Dave Ruben is a former leftist. I guess who now voted tromp and I guess I kind of friends with Don Junior and Dave Ruben known to some of you. As you know, a cultural critic or or an arbiter of ideas, he He said yesterday or the day before, that the UN's vaccinated are now being treated like the Jews right before the Holocaust, accept that there are yet gas chambers, and he is referring to the protests in Canada. And the truckers and and this entire think now there are people who are gonna say while Dave Reuben is jewish. So we should

listening to what he says about the Holocaust, because nobody thing is just wrong and we should be critically analyzing. What he says and lets take take a look at the video Club in this? This is what exact, against the same reactionary kind of fear porn that we talked about just minutes ago. I just said to my guys, we're playing this. It's truly incredible, watching these people flip the story and how they reverse everything. They say about one thing: when it's there, he's doing adverse, how they say it if the other guys doing at first. I just want to say something very, very clearly, please. I want family members on both sides: the Holocaust. Okay, I grew up around Holocaust survivor is now you guys understand this this is in a sense, identity. Politics that I dont want to be labour this point, but I don't want to miss it. They love to say, identity, politics is toxic any time anyone says as a woman of color, I believe or as Ino as

as a Trans black person. I believe they say. That's terrible, that's identity! Politics! Reuben is doing it here, he's about to give us his view that the UN are being treated like Jews before the Holocaust, any tells us, I lost family in the Holocaust. He's he's playing identity, politics he's using his identity to make I believe that he is more trustworthy in his opinion, when they do cry that very mechanism when they perceive the left is doing it do not Miss this key point there against identity politics, except when they do it well versed in what the Holocaust was and what the demonization their young people is over the guy who is interview, thereby to a great cherry picking on that daily show, and then they they cherry, pick bad on the daily show. Then

they throw that the CNN cause they're all in on it together. I believe they both owned by back up its is one big circle. Jerking, there's big its deals, conspiracy there, of course,. regardless of what the guy said when it. Where do you think he said it, butchered way or, or he shouldn't say, or something like that. The way Something like the holocaust starts. Is you otherwise people right? You keep other eyes other rising them you. So you can't be part of the economy. You can on a store. You can't do this, we're gonna demonize you, your diseased, so he's, not a giant leap. Ok, it really is not. I don't care how much aid I get for this. It is not a giant leap after two years. of demonizing certain people who wanted choice, medical choice and choice used to be thought of as a good thing to compare them to the Jews before the house. It's not a perfectly symmetrical situation now, right. There aren't gas chambers in Canada, yet yet

So it's not perfect. There is no analogy to the Holocaust or the pre Holocaust era in Europe when people just are told to get vaccinated. First of all, remember that what he deliberately or out of ignorance ignores here is that the Holocaust was based, on the reality that Jews were fundamentally pick pick. Your word right, inferior unclean disease, ridden, demonic, satanic, whatever fundamentally at a poor level. What's going on with the Unboxing eight, it is just like: hey, we think they're, making kind of a dumb choice does nothing inherent about the unboxing aided they there it's not by birth. That these are the there's. This there's quite literally no analogy whatsoever, and this is much if you want to play the identity, gay

Reuben says I would know about this because I'm jewish now this is that much more gross, because your jewish and if you want to be accurate, the way the Holocaust started was straight up sort of like race. Some against Jews and extreme german nationalism? And of course, this type of nationalism is much more prevalent on the right in the United States than than on the left at the last thing on this is it's always the fear of the slippery slope. There aren't gas chambers yet, but back seen, requirements point in that direction. It's a false slippery slope, false slippery slope, hallmarks of reactionary thinking. Look they keep telling us the back. Any vaccine mandate will lead to totalitarianism, but look at the history of vaccine mandates.

In one thousand seven hundred and seventy seven George Washington, made the smallpox vaccine requirement for soldiers in one thousand. Eight hundred and nine Massachusetts put in the first vaccine mandate in eighteen. Fifty five Massachusetts put in the first school vaccine mandate. In one thousand, nine hundred and five, the Us Supreme Court decided in Jacobson Bb Massachusetts Cambridge, I believe it is, can require vaccines in nineteen. Seventy seven China who'd immunization initiative started requiring certain vaccines for schools and it's never gone rather than just sometimes we require vaccines. There's no there's! No concentration camps, there's no gas chambers. There is none of it so be very sceptical when they use. The idea of this is opening the door up two x y see. Well, if that's the case, it's been Europe more than two hundred years since vaccines were first required in the United States and its not been a slippery slope. So all of this stuff,

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consequences to Donald Trump offer the things that he did theirs. a news weak article about this, which we will look at you, de as sin, Jamie Rascal promises Trump will answer for crime wave represent Jamie Ruskin from Maryland has labelled former President Donald Trump quote guilty as sin well, vowing that he will get his come up ends over the January sixth attack on the: U S: Kapital Rask in a member, of the house January six committee described tromp as a one man crime wave during a recent salon, interview attorney general merit: Garland filed seditious conspiracy, charges against members of the far right, oath keepers, militia, group, Rask and noted, before suggesting garland may also choose to eventually bring criminal charges against the former president. People were on garlands case about the fact that there had been

indictments for seditious conspiracy, and then there was a huge indictment on seditious conspiracy against the oath keepers, Rascal told salons dean over and presumably more to come They obviously weren't the only group there there were overlapped, were these overlapping circles of conspiracy to knock over the capital and take. Down our government and the key moment trump we'll get his come up and see Jamie Rascal Thus, I know how maddening and frustrating it is two people. I share the feeling having been an impeachment manager he's as guilty, as sin he's one man crime wave and it's amazing that his dad's money and this pack of lawyers that he travels with, have been able to get him off everything up until now. I have to tell you that I of course hope that Jamie Ruskin is correct. I am very sceptical that Jamie Ruskin is correct and I don't doubt his intentions and I don't doubt his

admit, to holding trump accountable for all or some of the things that he did, but I am extraordinarily sceptical that Trump is going to really face consequences beyond you know, maybe not having a viable candidacy and twenty twenty four. But the thing I want to bring up with you now and kind of chat about. Is I like Jamie Ruskin, Jamie Ruskin as a democratic presidential candidate is interesting to me and of course I am not suggesting job and be primarily, although I have no moral opposition to it. Although I think strong

primary challenges to a sitting president are likely to hurt that party, but you guys know I don't care about the Democratic Party in any in any serious where care about who are the best people. I think a lot of you guys have convinced me that Jamie Rask in some one that should be at least thought about as a potential presidential candidate in the future constitutional law, professor by trade of progressive activists like an actual activist, he were actual member of the progressive caucus endorsed by the Bernie Affiliated Pack, our revolution, I mean that this is a progressive guy by every reason. all assessment worked for the separation of church and state. True separation of church and state in Jenin State worked to ban discrimination on the basis of sexual or in

Asian and gender identity did a great job during Donald Trump. Second, impeachment trial, the I hate to say it, but I think one of the issues someone like Jamie Ruskin comes up against is not insignificant amounts of Anti Semitism in the United States, and I dont mean just on the right. I've talk before about left wing, Anti, Semitism and think back to the year two thousand, when Joe Liebermann was Al Gore's vice presidential running mate, Joe Liebermann was the epitome of like the uncontroversial centrist, moderate, either that there is much more concerned about the fact that your liebermann wasn't really on the left than there was that that he was too far on the left and the Anti Semitism was just completely off

and that was twenty years ago before it was sort of moral k to be openly anti semitic, as it is now in many cases. So I do think Ruskin would come up against that, but I think he's an interesting guy, extremely well spoken. I'm not going to pretend and say he's sort of the high energy, the the the a picture of like high energy youth he's not that, but he's quite a bit younger than Joe Biden. I think a better speaker more of an actual progress

and a very, very interesting guy and of course I am not suggesting anything about the twenty twenty four democratic primary. The first question is just, as is Joe Biden going to run for reelection. I don't think we have an answer to that. Yet when the White House asked about it, they say Joe Biden intends to run for reelection. It's pretty narrowly worded utter know that we can read too much into it, but Jamie Rask and promises Trump will get is come up and see. I hope is right. I remain sceptical. A speaking of Joe Biden, Joe Biden, has again made correct decision when it comes to yet another request from former President Donald Trump to shield the White House visitor logs from the day right around

January six. Twenty twenty one tromp riots Trump wants those to be hidden. Joe Biden has said no Reuters report Biden gives the January sixth panel access to trumps Whitehouse Visitor logs President Joe Biden has rejected former president. Donald Trump's, executive privilege claims and ordered White House visitor logs to be released to the panel investigating the deadly January sixth, two thousand and twenty one attack according to a letter released on Wednesday. In a letter to the National Archives Biden, Whitehouse Council granted congressional investigators access to the data given the and see their work. Probing trumps supporters, violent siege of the capital and ordered the agency to turn over the logs within fifteen days. Fifteen days the president has term and meaning Joe Biden, the President,

determined that an assertion of executive privilege is not in the best interests of the United States and therefore is not justified as to these records and portions of records that binds Council Council Dana Remus importantly Biden last year also rejected trumps bid to block the: U S House of Representatives Committee generally, six committee from accessing batches of documents from the former presidents time at the White House, the Associated Press, similar Early reporting Biden, orders, release of Trump White House logs to Congress. The committee He has sought a trove of data from the national archives, including press, actual records, that from fought to keep private the records being released to Congo her visitor log, showing appointment information for individuals allowed to enter the White House on the day of the insurrection. Now I have a couple thoughts on this. First of all, as I have said before, just think about it

you'd just apply your own sense of of reason too. This is this: is the behaviour of some one with nothing to hide, and the answer is of course no of course know that the second part of this is you know who visits the White House who visits president's at the president at the White House is just base level, public information, and so aside from whether, generally speaking, this is the behaviour. If someone with nothing to hide or of someone with a guilty conscience, this is like a basic level information that, when you promised to have the most transparent administration in history, as Donald Trump did Trump ran on Obama has not been transparent, I will be transparent and then you try to shield just Whitehouse visitor logs. This is a basic element of transparency, but there's an

Another issue which is, I would make a bet that there are many visitors to the White House whose names were never put into the logs in the first place. It would be shocking to me if the White House, logs that they are trying to shield, are even complete in terms of representing everybody that visited Donald Trump at the White House and then again remember last: we learned about Trump power, flushing documents and plugging the toilet. How We know that there are some of these that have been flushed or attempted to be flushed and then fished out of the toilet by trumps staff. None of it makes sense, and if you think back to

Sixteen you'll remember Donald Trump, saying about Hillary Clinton. People who have nothing to hide dont, destroy evidence to keep it from being publicly archived, as required under federal law. That's what Trump set about Hilary he said. Hilary behaviour with documents is disqualifying to hers. President look at what Trump has done, ripping up documents, incinerating documents, flushing documents begging Joe Biden, to hide documents, but he said Hilary is the one that we can't trust. Of course it doesn't make any sense, so this is about the release of documents to the January sick,

committee not to the public whether those documents will be made public by being weak to or who knows, if and when they are given to the January six committee. We just don't know yet, but this is the correct decision, and this is further a further indication that this is a guy with a guilty conscience who doesn't want us to know who visited the White House on that day. Now, what might be were if, if the logs are complete, What might they reveal? They might reveal that members of right wing militia groups visited the White House. They might reveal that individual members of Congress who are in contact with rioters, also visited the wider, we just don't know. We don't know and that's why the records need to be released We'll have more on this on our Instagram find a Sun Instagram David Pachmann Show and we'll be back right after this.

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be speaking with former republican congressmen from Illinois, Joe Walsh, former presidential candidate host of the new podcast white flag, with Joe Walsh of really appreciate your time. Hey David I've been a fan of yours, it's going to be here with you, man, thank you, so Ok, I mean so to start to give the audience some sense. I mean an end in the tea party era. You were not just a Republican. You were sort of like a leading voice in the tea party movement. Strong opponent of Barack Obama and then at some point during the Trump era things things started to change for you yeah, that's it that's a gentle way of putting it David. He only right. Look, I wasn t already guy a big tea party leader and you would have called me a crazy he party or back in the day. Yes in you and I could I had some interesting debates and fights about the tea party, but really was about issues and then try

came along and now the Republican Party, the party I belonged to my whole life, is basically anti democratic cold and I didn't want to belong to a cult. It doesn't matter where you stand on the issues it he's been the issues that drove me. I don't recognize this party anymore, you and what's interesting about that, when I chart the path to Donald Trump of the Republican Party, the teapot, The in my mind, was a big piece of that. In other words, you you say well, the tea party made sense to me, but Trump doesn't, but if we go back to the civil rights era and then again gang to ninety four, but for it the way I've seen it is all This has been a move by the Republican Party away from substance and towards cultural issues and being Anti democratic, and it's interesting that I mean. Do you agree that the two

party in a way set the stage for Trump. Absolutely, oh, you who, in her he had now you're spot on and in fact I've publicly about the guy's for helping bring you and I and the whole country trump what I did helped bring tromp. I look at it like this David that the the Republican Party base is mostly middle age, older white people, in for years and years the party establishment ignored them in their concerns, and then tea party people like me came along and inflamed them and wild them up and then, by the time Trot came along and sixteen they were primed baby to be captivated by a cult shut up to be captivated by a demagogue. Show I led the trauma

I think the Republican Party establishment did as well. When did you ok so went when Trump started to run? What what was your initial thought and how did that evolve? Over time David? I screwed up. I didnt pay enough attention to when trumped started wrought in fifteen and sixteen I was on the radio. You know. I will talk. Radio to utter stations run the country, but I never paid enough attention to. I didn't I am seriously, I voted form in sixteen cause. He wasn't Hilary, I figured he's just a guph and maybe he'll play golf for four years and nothing will happen. I thought I scuse me. I messed up David. I messed up once he got elected. I started to pay attention to and I realized every time you opened his mouth, he told a lie I couldn't live with that and then I began to see and really see all the uglier things he did. My final straw, David was health

in key in the summer of twenty eight, when he stood at that stage and said I'm with Putin and not the Americans. That was the greatest active disloyalty I've ever I went on the radio that night and said I'm gonna do everything I can to make sure he's not reelected. I began to lose my radio show in everything shortly thereafter. So here is one of the things I mean did and because we earlier this, we were reading about Republicans holding those door meetings to try to figure out. How can we get trumps grip on party Lucinda and all of these things see no evidence that those folks are actually against the protectionism of Trump. It seems they just don't like Trump at the head, but that their sort of Kay with the authoritarianism that has been ushered in by Trump. Where were you on that issue? Like is the problem just trump, or is it the Trump ISM that nothing like dissenters? me seems like it's the same:

sort of mould, for example David. I you and I agree man I totally agree. Look it tromp has metastasized he unleashed in. It now trump vision. If tromp went away to Morrow it'll be a disadvantage, somebody like that. Who will it it's a party now that has embraced authoritarianism. Vat? Is this republican party I don't wanna, be a part of that. Show anybody who stance against that? No, Longer has a place in this party so like when you mean and figuring out your politics. Now, when you look at Joe Biden, for example like just to pick taxes outer no to pick something right, Joe Biden wants the top tax rate to go. A couple points, and there are some on the right who want like a twenty five percent top tax rate or whatever

when you see the Trump and Biden differences on taxes like on that policy issue, where would you like to see the top tax rate Why probably dont support either one trumps tax reform legislation that he passed right away, I thought was a lousy piece of legislation because it did lower taxes for wealthier americans. David. I generally support the notion of a flat tax. You do employ find the tax. Oh yes, simplifying the tax code so that wealthier, Americans, got all the accounts and the lawyers I think most studies, I've read if you simplify the code, wealthy people actually pay more. I prefer around like that, that I don't think by nor Trump support. Will, I think so. Ok, if you figure out

the effective tax that's being paid by the very rich, and then you set the flat tax above that- and you say not only is this the flat tax, it's also the minimum tax so that you can't loophole in the your way out of it, you could have a situation where the very rich do pay more. I think the problem people would have, then is somebody making A thousand dollars a year is paying the same rate. Would you to dig a little deeper on this? Have some threshold below which you pay no we're tax, or how do you deal with the regressive nature of it? I think there's always to be some threshold where people certain level, don't pay taxes. I do believe, but I do believe you generally David a new, and I might disagree on this- the notion of progress. Seventy in a tax rate, I generally a po real. I generally, I generally believe just a flat rate

ah and in that the more money you make, you're gonna pay more cause you're making more money, but I don't believe you should have a higher rate, but David, what's fascinating to me, is I can't remember having this discussion in the last five years. All right like like actually talking about a substantive policy issue. The republican party doesn't talk about stuff like this anymore. So to that end, Why would they start going back to issues if it's not clear? They need to win races, right and and No, you look like the Glen Young can victory in Virginia the only thing approximating quota. Let's was that he would stop the teaching of critical race theory, which was not being taught so They can win on that stuff. What's the incentive to get back to policy, they have not right David, which is why I believe- and I get into this

with some of my fellow former republic and to think this party can be saved. I dont think it can not, but I also believe David that I do believe the Republican Party is a dying national party which might sound oxy moronic right now is the problem. take back the house next year, but its becoming a strong rural regional party. I think it stays has national Party are dying Is there a national Republican right now that you say that this is some one kind of like, in my view, that this is think sort of like me like that, maybe Mitt, Romney or Sir, is there the body right now that you see that's, who I would like to see the future of the party be well. You know it's odd David, I'm not I'm not a moderate and no one would ever call me a model. But generally the only national non trompe Republicans are moderates like around me, but there's no way. I'm gods green earth, Mitra

or anybody like that could get a nomination in this in this party? Yes, guess. Then the question becomes what happens in in twenty twenty four and I think there's two questions. If the question is, who is the best shot of winning? I dont think it anybody, you would actually like to see representing the party. If the question is what's what would be best for the party and the country I think you're right. There doesn't really seem to be an interesting that type of republican right now among the republican voters. Look David never talk to me and I'm never trust. were never trump to me- means never em and never anybody. Any Republican who supported M after four years of his presidency shall I can never support any Republican who vote four trump in twenty four, that's dissenters, that's pence, that's crews, any of them and that not every never tramper is what but generally look David. I think if Trump runs in twenty four

The is his nobody challenges. If he doesn't run you ve gotta be the most trompe as person. You can be to win that nomination at this point social issues for a for a while, the republic them conservative elements of the Republican Party, including the tea party, made a big deal. out of we're against gay marriage. For example, abortion play a big role. You know that a lot of these kind of social issues to some agree, some of these issues are settled. Gay marriage, for example, is settled and you just don't hear much more about it from from Republicans, there is renewed just on abortion. Now, because of what's going on for for the Supreme Court, where are you

and those social issues, and do you think it's to the advantage of Republicans to run on them or it's better to not even talk about those issues? It's probably an advantage because that's where their bases I quibble with young one thing David. Yet when it comes to the tea party in the base of the Republican Party Ivan we start there were two strands to the tea party. One was the anti debt anti. You know fiscal keep your fiscal house in order strand when there was an uglier, social issue, nationalists, populous bigoted strand as well, and the Republicans when it comes to issues right now, that's the only game they play. Is this culture war stuff in that's all they're gonna talk about and run on I've over the years if I've evolved or changed at all David, I've probably become more proudly

Look, I'm generally more libertarian in my leanings. I always have been more live and let live, but that's not where the Republican. Says, they're, socially, very conservative, yeah and along those lines, What is your assessment of the so you ve got the voters who, when their surveyed republican voters around fifty five percent right now want trump to run again, which is still more than half but its lower than it was a year ago. Some similar number believes that Trump was actually the winner in November of twenty twenty and one of the things we ve talked about is like. Do they really believe this stuff or do they see? It is what you have to say to be part of the club on the elected officials like this. senators and the members of the house do you think they believe the big lie stuff or there they similarly realized. They have to say it to stay on trumps team.

a David. I talk to hundred's, sometimes thousands of republican voters every day the vast majority of them believe this stuff. Ok, when it comes to my former colleagues, yeah hungry ass, most don't toe interesting. You ve got a small group of the crazies Jim Jordan Margie Telegram POGO Sars. They believe this stuff, but the biggest most dangerous piece of the Republican Party elected official base is all of those. My former colleagues who know it's all bs, but they keep their mouths shut, that's the biggest part of the elected officials. Do you think that if it looks like trumps gone in twenty four, they immediately abandoned, even though the premise that they might believe this stuff? Is it just for self preservation or the other than it is now the case? It's always been about the base. These guys privately David, have never been afraid of tromp right. When I primary try

they would call me privately and say I love what you're saying about em thereof. They they knew that trunk. They know that tromp has a lot. I can the base, so they ve always been afraid of the voters. They don't want to lose those voters. So again, if I'm goin to Morrow the or somebody who's gonna. Get them in. These republicans are generally cowards they sold their sole and it will stay that way beyond Trump there's this surf phenomena. We ve been seeing along these lines of saying one thing and believing another where, in the law, I'd, say beer and a half, or you know we could even say like. When Trump was banned from twitter, it became visible. There's the stated principle from some of these folks like, for example,

businesses basically should be as unregulated as possible. Let them do what they want as long as it's not illegal, and once the real world becomes inconvenient to the principal they say. Oh, we ve got a regulate twitter. Oliver, we need government to tell Twitter exactly who they had. We need to force twitter to allow these views etc. A house sir, are you about the ease with which the principles are abandoned? When outcome is inconvenient, a David extremely and its bend the most disappeared, pointing aspect of the rock this republican party, not justifiable,

and many a principle, but the embrace of authoritarianism of fascism to to actually use the power of government to shut down voices that you don't agree with. Look at that crap that two Santas is doing down an in Florida, get rid of any thing taught about race in schools that makes people uncomfortable having the government. Do that and were seen some of the same Republicans in other states who want to shut down speech about algae BT, Q issues that make them uncomfortable this? This embrace of, I won a dictator, shut up. People who I disagree with that this party. Now I find it frightening. If you ran again, would you run independent? I mean it seems like there is basically no home in the Republican Party. It doesn't sound like you really have an inch.

and being a Democrat here, a David here's, the truth I realized to three years ago. I have no home in this, party, Adam Kensington, lie a really good friends, Adam Kin, your nose privately. He has no home in this party. What do I do if I could become a Democrat, but between you and I I don't know that the Democrats would want someone like me. I don't know that I would fit there. I think. What's going to happen is temporarily people like me are going to be pulling, independence. I do believe David that within eight years, there's gonna be a new major political party occupying the middle yeah me, because when you look some of your positions- and if these are out of date than you know, we can correct them. But a lot of these things is your against the death penalty. As far as I know, Your further legalization of marijuana you ve, come around on the science on climate change on Annette.

Gratian. I guess where are you on immigration? At this point? I've I've always been supportive of the past. In opposed in that I made huge hall when it comes to ITALY, go immigration, but I'm a huge embrasure of expanding legal immigrants come in. I dont know That puts me wouldn't on doc. Other people that were brought here is minors. We gotta find a permanent solution right here I mean it's like it. It seems at my audience, might go crazy, but in talking to you, it's sort of sounds like there's, not that much difference between you and a moderate centres. Democrat at this point. Well, what's that's interesting David in today's Republican Party is very Antonio Legal immigration is well yeah, sure I don't fit there, I'm very pro gun. I am pro life right, I'm I'm I'm very again fiscally I'm very conservative and almost libertarian fancy

she'll safety net. I mean I know in the past you you were very you at one point. I think you said: there's no there's no, nothing in the constitution that, wants to having any kind of social safety nets? Have you moderated at all on that? But I do not yet know that still true, but I still acknowledge that government needs to play a role to help those who can't help themselves, and I would argue, over the years we expanded that social safety net point we're we're not helping the people who really need help so you're not against having it, but you wanted to function booked meet its goals in a better way. yeah. I want it to be more limited to like, like a free college, for everybody, no free college for people who absolutely can't afford it sure it every every government program, I what very targeted we tend to expand,

These programmes to include everybody got it got, it will listen. It's gonna be very interesting in nine months to see whether your version of republicanism is at all welcomed by voters and, of course, can't what candidates there arbitrary. From will be a big part of that, but I'm I'm as interested as you are in seeing what happens. I think I know I agree David. I dont think there's room in there working party for people. Like me any more. I think the Democrats have a great opportunity at theirs. Political realignment going on the party can grow if they take people from centre right all the way to progressives, because the Republican Party is shrinking, ripe, ripe for republican congressmen, Joe Walsh. Thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it a David. It's been an honour. Thank you, sir. One of our sponsors is all form

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investigation being done by the New York attorney TAT General Latisha James. Looking into this. Yet you have all these different things. Yesterday we told you about trumps accounting firms saying were no longer working with them and you can't trust the financial statements from the last ten years and even though they continue to kill, and they ve done nothing wrong. Trumped then just sends out one of these statements. meeting to the entire thing admitting that indeed, the financial statements cannot be trusted, it's it's beyond belief. He says it's a witch hunt. Investigators have to go through all of these loopholes and documents, just to figure out what's going on the investigations been going on for some time and then Trump just comes out and admits the entire thing. Yesterday a statement was put out by Liz. Harrington Donald Trump serve like new issue spokeswoman and it says, refuting the late

claims from trumps. Now, former accounting firm, we have a great company with fantastic assets that are unique, extremely valuable. Let valuable and in many cases, far more valuable than what was listed in our financial statements he's admitting it. He sang We listed one value in the financial statements, but the real value is different. Now he sang it in this way to try to suggest it's no big deal but understand that he's admitting that the allegation is true. The allegation is the real value and the listed value not the same, and you know it and he's admitting the listed Vow you and the value we believe to be. The real value are not the same, and we know that and we believe that to be true, he's admitting to the entire thing. He also says

company has among the best real estate and other assets anywhere in the world, has significant amounts of cash and has relatively very little debt, which is totally current, which again talking about your debt. In this way, if you're Trump suggests he's probably lying about two buddies? Admitting it he's admitting it, and this this actually makes it worse if Trump tries to file bankruptcy. Remember that Donald Trump, when confronted about his business bankruptcies are said. Well, I know this system, those are not personal bankruptcies. Those are business bankruptcies in their done strategically. If you deliberately list incorrect values for your assets and then you file chapter eleven bankruptcy, the creditors who are entitled

two assets? If you were to file such a bankruptcy you're admitting that they relied on false statements from you when they became your creditors, you gave them incorrect information, and so it is. It actually makes any potential bankruptcy failings in the future and, of course, makes his wonder about the bankruptcy failings in the past that the false basis for that as well. It's actually incredible now and as if this wasn't enough Donald Trump than in the statement also admits that the allegation against his CFO Alan Weissenburg, that he received fringe benefits and didnt pay taxes on them is also true. Emmy he's admitting to the entire think. Trump also said the charge against a seventy four. you're old long term wonderful employ. Is he didn't pay taxes on a company car or a company apartment?

Do others pay. Such attacks did sigh vans, pay attacks on his car and a charge having to do with my paying for the education of his grandchildren. He's admitting it guys understand that, though the way these benefits are supposed to work. I know this because I have a company vehicle least through my business, but I have to pay tax on that emerge in that you have a company car and the least, is five grand a year that five grand you dont pay the business pays, but it's considered fringe benefits, meaning you should be paying taxes on the five grand as an employee and trump doesn't denying he, just as other people are also breaking the law by not paying that tax? Did it? It's it's

The investigation is, is not necessary because he's admitting to everything every statement he puts out seems to be a confession of some kind and its truly incredible, but it shouldn't come as a big shock. I want a kind of clothes. The loop on another one of these. false. Allegations of cancellation and business is doing the wrong thing. We talked at the top of the show about how, within sort of this reactionary framework of fuelling fear and getting people to abandon critical thinking and rational thought. One of the things that often happens is that reactionaries will abandon their stated principles,

one such stated principle that we followed on the right for a very long time is: basically, businesses should be allowed to do whatever they want. A business wants to do something. If it's not illegal, then that's it. It's just its business decision and we shouldn't be regulating that. Of course they abandon this view quickly when Twitter says hey, you know what we don't want: Anti backs content on our platform. They quickly say it's violating people's free speech. Twitter should be regulator but will hold on a second, I thought you guys were the party against regulating businesses. This started to come up, but a month ago,

When my pillow see YO and Trump suck up Michael and Del started, complaining, hey, my bank wants to click cancel me. My bank is telling me they don't want my business anymore due to what they're calling reputational risk. Now. This is a very standard thing. It backs banks regularly assess their customers and and ask questions like well. Of course, do we believe that this is a fraudulent business? If it is, then they don't want to, The store assets hold assets for that business, but they also enquire think about reputational risk. Is our association with this business? This endeavour, the potentially gonna damage our reputation, and if it is, they could say we don't want your business. It's a perfectly reasonable decision that a bank can make my pillows The Eco MIKE Wendell, also known to us, has MIKE Pillow a month ago started seeing there trying to cancel me they're doing wrong thing. This is crazy. Their silencing me all these different things, and we said at the time they can do that. This is something banks. Do

supposedly against regulation, and now indeed one of the banks that my pillow uses has cut ties with MIKE Lyndal busy. Insider reporting that the Minnesota Bank and Trust is terminating its business. relationship with pillow. His accounts will be closed two days from now, and a month ago, as I told you, the bank, said that Linda was a reputational risk. Here is pillow on with Steve Bannon, again businesses making legal decisions which normally these right, wingers love and defend to the death. These we shouldn't regulate them. Let them do what they want, get out of their way and yet here he is complaining Tell us what happened today, sir. Please, Sir Sir, I just got serve the papers. Father closing, I count.

It is out of date and trust that hardline heartland financial aid, whenever we brought it up a couple couple weeks ago and all of you reached out to those two there, the bank president stop at Minnesota Bank contrasting I entered from while the coward serve these paper. This paper on Friday renewing after them, after the best clothes, a business, how dare they do it on a Friday afternoon? They didn't even bother to sign it. No, they didn't they didn't so listen having a bank account is not a legal right. You have to apply to open one. At one point, I had a like, like a locker, a freeze on my credit or something like that and I went to apply for a particular savings account and they will again now we we can't do it and I was like wait. We hold on a second do. Oh, of course they have that risk and its because

I have this block on my credit, I don't have a right to an account at any particular bank and they abandon their principles. It soon as its inconvenient twitter ban some, Well, you should have a right to a twitter account and twitter should be regulated. I thought you guys were against that such regulation and when we talk about management reserves the right to refuse service as long as it's not illegal, in the sense that they can't say we don't allow Christians to have bank accounts right. Pillow is a Christian Europe. So so he says: if these that we were, in allow Christians to have begging us that would be against the law. Is it we don't allow white people? Pillow is white: we don't allow pillow to have a bank account because he's white doubt that would be against the law. We don't allow pillow to have a bank account because he was born in the United States or because he's a man or because he's heterosexual that would be against the law, but beyond that

There is a reason we say: management can refuse service to people because they can make business decisions that are right for them and, of course the truth is no legitimate. Business should want anything to do with my pillow or MIKE Window, and so there he is abandoning his own principles. How dare they? How dare they do this? But of course they are completely entitled to do it. We have a voice. Mail under that number is too one nine to David pay. You know. Yesterday, I made a comment about Donald from continuing to misunderstand how tariffs, or can I pointed out when he says we collected tariffs from China? No, we didn't. We actually collected tariffs from the american companies buying chinese products and this collar astutely points out. There does actually another layer to that as well. You should the chinese tariff on steel is paid by the american company that uses steel. Would you failed to mention? Is the tariff is passed on to the gun?

sooner so rashly. The consumer is bay in the back. That's exactly right, and so you know this is idle. I genuinely dont know whether Republicans understand this or they don't. I don't think Trump understands it my guess is some Republicans get it, but they need it. They realize they need to get in line and say we collected tariffs from China. The way it works is Trump put these terrorists in place to try to punish China. Let's just take an imaginary product. Let's say it's: you do steel for building a car. Company says we're. Gonna buy our steel from China. You put a tariff on chinese steel. China doesn't pay at the company if, if the, if

that for each car you need a thousand dollars of steel. Just to make the numbers easy. China still gets their thousand dollars, but then the? U s- government gets if it's a ten percent tariff. They get a hundred dollars from the american automaker. So the automaker is paying for that steel. But the collar points out something that's important, which is ok. Initially, the company pace the extra hundred dollars, but then they just raise the price of the car by a hundred dollars, and it is the consumer in the end so Trump brags about. We collected terrorists from China. Really you collected tariffs from the american companies buying chinese products which they passed on to the american consumer. You collect

in reality, the tariffs from the american consumer, not from China and I dont think Trump understands up, but there are certainly Republicans who do understand it, but they pretend not to because that's just the talking point. We got the tariff money from China, a good good voicemail, pointing out how that actually works on the bonus show. Today, speaking of prices, we're going talk about its not just home, prices that are sky high rent prices are as well, which makes sense when the price of the home, up the homeowner who rents the place will charge more for rent. That makes perfect sense. We'll talk about it, we're going to talk about the seventy, million dollar verdict reached with Remington by the sandy hook, families, huge legal consequences today, and we are also going to talk about the continued drama with Alec Baldwin. After allegedly shooting and killing of Cinematography

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