Sue Barker is a television presenter and former professional tennis player. She presented the BBC’s Wimbledon coverage for nearly three decades, before stepping down this year, when she received a standing ovation.
Sue was born in Devon in 1956, and was educated at the Marist Convent School where she had a reputation for being naughty – until her PE teacher, Mrs Chadwick, diverted her energy into tennis. Aged 11 she was selected for training by the local tennis coach Arthur Roberts, who had already guided players to Grand Slam titles. Sue started playing – and winning – junior tournaments.
She turned professional at 17, and moved to the US, joining a new women’s tour set up by Billie Jean King. During her career, she reached the ranking of World No. 3, playing and defeating her contemporaries, including Chris Evert, Martina Navratilova, Evonne Goolagong and Virginia Wade. Her biggest win came at the French Open in 1976 where, aged 20, she took her first – and only – Grand Slam title. Her biggest disappointment came at Wimbledon the following year, when she lost in the semi-final, despite being the clear favourite.
Plagued by injuries, she retired from tennis in 1985. She began commentating on Australia’s Channel 7, before moving to BskyB in the UK, and then joining the BBC in 1993. She has hosted Wimbledon, Grandstand, the Summer and Winter Olympics, the Commonwealth Games, BBC Sports Personality of the Year, and A Question of Sport. When she announced her retirement from TV, her idol Billie Jean King called her the GOAT, the ‘greatest of all time’.
DISC ONE: Run Boy Run by Woodkid
DISC TWO: Piano Concerto in A minor, composed by Edvard Grieg
and performed by Sir Clifford Curzon (piano) and London Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Øivin Fjeldstad
DISC THREE: Harry Hippie by Bobby Womack
DISC FOUR: California Girls by The Beach Boys
DISC FIVE: The Greatest Love of All by George Benson
DISC SIX: Simply Beautiful by Al Green
DISC SEVEN: Grandstand by Keith Mansfield
DISC EIGHT: Philadelphia Freedom by Elton John
BOOK CHOICE: All In by Billie Jean King
LUXURY ITEM: New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc wine
CASTAWAY'S FAVOURITE: Harry Hippie by Bobby Womack
Presenter Lauren Laverne
Producer Katy Hickman
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Previously sounds music radio broadcasts, hello, I'm Lorna van, and this is the desert island discs podcast. Every week I ask my guest to choose the eight tracks book and luxury they want to take with them if they were cast away to a desert island and for rights
since the music is shorter than the original broadcast. I hope you enjoy listening.
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my castaway this week is the full. My professional tennis player and television presented, sue Barca.
As a broadcaster she's been the steady hand on the tiller of everything from grandstand to a question of sport, the commonwealth games to the olympics, but it's as the host of the bb bbc's wimbledon coverage for an outstanding thirty years that she is perhaps
best known and loved this year she announced a retirement and there wasn't a dry on centre court of spectators and the great of tennis bid her an emotional good, bye, ass john mcenroe put it she just eight wimbledon,
and wimbledon has been in her sites from the beginning. She was an aspiring player of just thirteen when she first walk through the gates of the all england club fresh off the many boats from Devon. She would go on to become the world number three: a wimbledon semifinalist winner of the french open and one day
a coat hook, marked hr, w h, her royal wimbledon highness in the studio just for her. She says I feel very lucky that I
able to move on to a job that I enjoy as much as my tennis, korea. Very few people have one korea. They love, let alone to see a welcome to desert island discs. Thank you
lovely to be its wonderful to have you especially now you just retired, from the beloved second career is presented wimbledon and we witnessed along
If you have fair share of tears from the planes over the years, but did you expect it to be
so emotional. For you to say, good bye, no, not
All I mean I knew it was gonna, be sad. I love the job. I love wimbledon,
it's in my dna, and I I love the people I work with even more, but you've just got to pick when the time is right to go, and I just felt that you know I could walk out with my head held high. Having had thirty amazing is, but I just never expected the
The tributes from my fellow players from my error, four and from the current era that just was it it was surprising.
embarrassing it was emotional, it was it was. It was sort of everything europe there on on your final day in that job and you're right
billy. Jean king is describing you as the goat. Now that is conference person talk over the greatest
we'll time of year. My friends digs I didn't get the goat, Joe Geena he's gonna get. It is not a joke. I can't get any better than that and you ve been looking back recently either
you found it and the men, two of your early years, grass from the centre, call the epidemic of june. Nineteen sixty nine, I was it was my dad. Scrapbook bless him everything from every newspaper. He had cut out and written it, and it was just wonderful too, and it made me realize just how proud my parents were banned. That mean so much to me now as well. That shows how important wimbledon has been to your life. You nosey of your whole story from the very beginning. Will it continue in your next chap
will will replace still be part of your life. Yes, I'm already planning things. I've already takes heather watson, wonderful player, and I said right girl, I'm going to be sitting courtside the automatic next year, I'm going to be screaming I'll, be at the side screaming and telling her all sorts of things and we're about to hear your music.
Your choices. Your first zoo tell us a little bit about this fast track. Well, knowing Wimbledon was going to be my last one. I thought ooh what's going to happen, and I heard it was
be the centenary of sent a court and they said that's gonna have a parade of champions on middle sunday, and this is the video with all the great champions and them
Yes, it is run boy run and its would kid
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serena slam the.
one boy run. Would kid the soundtrack to wimbledon parade of champions? It was so wonderful in at the end of it, John mackerel suddenly decided to say well done to me for thirty years and said: please give it up the sioux back and the crowds reaction standing ovation
Does it went on and on and for them to get
ovation just sort job done. You know it. Some.
It was really really emotional. I didn't how I held it together out live so say I think we'd better go back. There
it let's find out where it all started. You were born season barker in paignton, devon, nineteen, fifty six to your parents, betty and Bob. Now you have the youngest of three, but you won't. I read that longed for third child. Your parents have decided that two is enough, actually
Yes, they did and my dad, particularly in a heap, he worked really hard, but he they just budgeted for two kids in there,
didn't have a lot of money left over in a few months after my brother was born. Suddenly mum was pregnant again. She apparently drank a lot of gene and balanced
in one time, but she always said I really I didn't I didn't want you feel so bad about it
I think we're saying that, with a smile on your face, my mom and I had the most wonderful relationship and even though they they didn't they, they cut corners, which is why I really salute them in and giving me my tennis career as well, because they couldn't afford you know even to buy me. A tennis racket was
a huge thing because you have three children, you can't fable exactly exactly so, sir. Tell me a bit more about your parents cause they. There was a sixteen year age gap between them, so your dad was what in his fifties. Yes, yes, but I never ever thought of him as an older dad. He was a fit healthy. I mean even when I was while he was in his sixties. We were climbing, hey toronto.
More together waving to my mind that he was fit and healthy and he was. He was a wonderful, wonderful, dad you, a sport, loving family, which must have helped.
Tell me, but more about your mom betty than she lived to be a hundred. He has sent ass. It was all down to clean living in exercise, not at all happened. So lately not. She wasn't known as betty six genes for nothing every time the clock digging up to six o clock, legion and tonic would come out, but also
everything she it was was wrong. I mean I, I keep looking at food and try different diets and how to be healthy and that my mom everything's white bread process meets no water, never drink noses and she's. She lived two hundred, so maybe we will get me wrong.
soon I think, we'd better here, your next disc and how to get a better. It is for my mom. We had the old gramophone I used to put it on, and it said greeks piano can
in a minor.
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ok, you were the youngest trees we mentioned after your old, assisted, jane and your brother neil. So we view the typical naughty little sister and, if so,
Who is your accomplice? Oh my brother was my accomplice. He was dre. He led me astray, but we used to do everything against. My sister was almost like if we could upset her it made our day we used to we used to attach her beloved doles to this some corner,
tree and tie the hare up and then let the branch go and then the router scalped and all sorts of things like that one about is this paunch on four high jinx on your part than did it's happened at school. There were a couple of bodies, we word naughty. We went to a convent and I put up all signs about in a downward.
penguins, as if the penguins redressing the balance, we removed the science room door and hid it land
The and also the staff room door and hid it. My parents were down at school often so one sport, presumably when that came in, must have been an outlet for some of that kind of energy. When did when did the tenants come in? What do you remember when he first wanted to play? My sister bless. Her jane had started playing, but I said: can I come and play and she goes will know, but you can get down the other end and and just send the balls back to bissau, used to try and give down the other entrant hit the balls back to orbit. I think I fell in love with it from the age of six or seven, but it wasn't until I met my pee teacher at my junior school, mrs chadwick, who was wonderful and she used to stay behind at school and do little am tests for me because
by the ulterior young kids. If you hit twenty bulls over the net, without a mistake, if you got seven serves in without missing one you'd get a little certificates and she made me take all of these tests and it just made me want
Someone did the next certificate. I wanted to keep improving this a photograph. I want to ask you about which is
really wonderful, quite
few nuns sitting in their habits on the side of the cold watching you play. I know that you've referred to them as the barbie army, which implies that they weren't afraid to give itself
all day was shouting and screaming, and then they were too. Where praying for you soon didn't do my street credit huge amount for when I arrived in, the mini bus is getting out with all these nuns around me, but they will wonder if this is the merest comment that I went to and paint and they used to give me after noons off and even weeks off, even my own levels I took in november, not in the summer, so I could go often play tennis. I wouldn't have had a career if those numbs hadn't
me that time often if they prayed from a great I just wish they prayed a bit harder in nineteen. Seventy seven when all went wrong. What will come to that, though? We ve got your their desk to hear now you want to convey this is my favorite. It sir Harry hippy
women like a moment. What is what happened?
when I say that on this matter,
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Bobby. Will mac and hurry hippy so
sue Barca. I want to ask you about strokes, banal, tennis, stroke, strokes of of luck and
timing and because you ve said that there have been several in your life that have been absolutely critical and one of those came in the form of tennis, coach and former play
arthur roberts. So do you remember when he first came into your school and and was looking for new pupils? I remember it like it was yesterday. I can even feel it. I can remember what the weather was.
I was just such a moment because he was a hero in torbay. He had already taken local kids and made them,
superstars and- and so he was not in every year. He would take two players from the new batch of kids that came in just two and he very quickly selected judy Judy real friend of mine, and so there was one spot. Seven of us
beat him for one spot and I thought oh, no, this demeanor, I just so so wanted this, and I was trying a probably tried too hard and running around all over the place. In the end he said I'll have her pointing to me, and he said, she's not the best here, but he said she looks like she could be there. He said he could see something in me. I mean my my my old racket there. I in I didn't really have any tennis stuff. You know couldn't even afford a tracksuit and MR robert
his sessions were supposed to cost a pound a pound less than an hour. He only paid him once I paid him once I went up there with my pound note he said: do you know what this means and he gives, if you give me this money
It means that your employing me- and you can tell me what to do and I'm so looking them with my eyes like what easy talking
now, and then he said so, if you come next week and you don't give me a pound, can I tell you what to do and I suddenly thought a great deal that is my parents are gonna, be so happy if they don't have to
at lb, and that was the only money I ever paid him in my whole career and I don't want people to think that I was tight because I tried time and time again when I was earning money much later on and owning a lot of money. I said I'm giving you this money. What I didn't know was at that point. He went to my father and said she's. Given me this money, I didn't want it: let's invest it in a in a trust unit, trust for her. He died in nineteen eighty six and then four years later, this envelope arrived on my doormat Ugh
unit trusts that I had nothing about had now. The value was like six times more, so he was just. He didn't want to do it for the money he just wanted me to be the best. I could be
but he was not even more than a coach. He was. He was a psychologist. He was a disk
I am as have amassed psychology thing. The psychology of was angry important gap than than the strokes. It was more about how to deal with what life throws it even matches. You know all the emotions that you that you have, he always said, never be afraid to take something on never be afraid to fail, never be afraid to succeed, could sometimes that can bring haughty.
As well. Could he he really had to be canny to make that work? I knew that he would give you an a one way: tickets to junior tournaments all around europe and then you're expected to kind of earn your prize money to get yourself back home. Yet he often felt sometimes I was too soft and he won wanted harden me up by saying now. You've got to dig deep cause. He said trust me, you don't want to phone up, reverse charges and say I've lost three first rounds. Can I get home, please mind you the first tournament I slept or in the clubhouse for two nights, but once I'd made the quarter finals, I thought I'm fine. I think we'd better have some music said before we go when I was seventeen, he said you've outgrown this country, so uh just passed my driving test two months before I'm on a plane to l a and I got
ellie x, I went to rent my car and I was so excited. I upgraded myself to a convertible and I'm drunk driving down the freeway as a seventeen year old down
four or five to newport beach thinking. This is the life and work.
The radio comes the beach boys. Of course it was california,
else? I thought yeah. That's me arrived
the beach boys and
the forty girls, so there you are see, vulgar and hearing that track. We all with you the beginning of your professional career, ca, nineteen, seventy three and you had the look of joining the professional circuit in the? U s. Shortly after billie, jean king had really sought to shake things up at the
boss and she set for women's to how important was that change? You know I just move to
erica tell me we, we were filling madison square garden in the seventies. You know that thousands of people, because of what billy jean created
and then creasy martine and even Google gong and allow me there were so many amazing players back then it was just the most exciting time and for a youngster not yet you know everything was new to me.
to play, or in these amazing arenas against these amazing players and for them to become friends, because we were making enough money too,
coaches and entourage is with so we looked after each other will. This is,
the question. I wonder about any loneliness that you felt was looking back on interviews with you at the time I can see
young shyness and you talk about being lonely. Absolutely me
the many times and it was
learning curve, but the highs far outweighed the loaves and I had to deal with those laws and it was wonderful. Having offer
at the end of a reverse charge. Telephone Golly always took the goals to be able to talk through things and just to remember why I was doing it.
It was a time when you were learning so much and luckily the tennis was going very well for you. You gradually moving up the rankings winning tournaments am which takes us back to nineteen. Seventy six yea, the french open you've arrived as the top seeds and you're in the final against renata tillman over yes. Yet how were you feeling absolutely terrified
because this was the dream. This was tito to win a slam. Rankings are important, but legacy is the grand slams and I wanted to be a grand slammed champion. So I just meant so much to me. I'd beaten easily twice before on the clay
I was mentally having this real, probably won the first at sixteen year than you lost than six love. Yes, let's move over that quick leave, but it shows how much of tennessee psychological absolutely right. I plates
well in the first set, am I knew that right get an early start in the second the panic sets in and then it's like an avalanche. You just can't stop
it and I just was playing so badly, but they had this rule before the final set. You could have a ten fifteen minute break and I managed to regroup think what arthur would say and went out and won it, and that just means everything to me. Having said that, I was one of the only young twenty two
in t- and I thought this will be the first of many. If I'd have known it was going to be my only one. I would have danced around the quarter with a kiss the umpire taken a bit of the clay to put with my grass from wimbledon cynical, but it's mma, it was magical, say it's time for your next track. What is it and why are you taking it with you to the island RI, I'm taking this because again it involved
wonderful, pillaging king and we were flying from los angeles over the tokyo and behind us. This guy, just taps, billy jean on the shoulder and introduces himself, is george benson. I thought oh, my gosh George benson and said
just finished recording for the muhammad ali movie, the greatest
you to want to listen to It- and we are yes please and there it was george benson, the greatest lovable fabulous man
Then. I do see these the greatest love of all george benson from the soundtrack to the nineteen. Seventy seven filmed the greatest so supermarket powers was the high
yeah then, unfortunately, over the next two wimbledon is war, the low exactly so
as leading a commanding laid against martine enough rattle over nineteen. Seventy six still hurts still stings.
In the following year, losing in semi final again stare betty stiff when you with a clear favouring I'll. Never get over that. You have said that much. I was never the same play again so that that was the turning point was that was that was a mental trauma, not be another martinez match in seventy six. We laugh about it today that I hadn't had dropped on the home match until I was. I was three one off in the final set and I tried to drop chosen shook his white to try, as you think. I know why I met the same trap of us all. I did my had a brain freeze. I dont know why did but nineteen seventy seven for junior wade was playing creasy effort and chrissy is the overwhelming favorite, but for junior suddenly one in the first semi final and so all of a sudden, I'm like, oh ok, so my beaten for junior forty
Is your upbeat and betty three times this year suddenly hold on. I could be the favorite now you know, and and and it has changed totally my the dynamic of the match, because I was suddenly thinking of the final before I was playing as anyone in the game that oh no, I had totally done everything the arthur roberts had said. Don't ever do, but I went out just played horrible match. Did everything wrong? It went by in a blur, and I think it it mentally affected me a lot in in matches in years to come when it got tight and so yet the high of seventy six winning the french with the salute low, because that was my. My dream was to win wimbledon and then virginia, and I laugh it was great. She wanted and it was
wonderful for british tennis, but instead of pay me yeah. Well, we'll talk about how it went on to our cars and meanwhile off court sue. I mean you can't have been easy to to have a personal life.
Your own, while you were traveling all the time, the press interest in you huge, limited great,
seal of your love life at a time. You know, including that very brief relationship with cliff richard
or two years ago yeah. I don't think I had any idea what it was gonna be like I thought. Oh, it's all gonna be fine and nothing. You know cause I'll, be off play antennas around the world and doing stuff, but it was just off
and totally changed my life in not a good way of cliffs.
lovely, really nice guy, the everywhere we went. People were following us in that taught me that I I really don't want this sort of lifestyle. I don't want this sort of intrusion. We still remained really good friends, but the one thing that I always didn't like with cliff is that he always brought up our relationship in interviews and talking about why he wouldn't marry me- and I was thinking, hold on a minute. We only went out for four months and for me it was a long way from even
thinking about gettin engaged and in the meantime, a few years later, I met my lovely husband lasso. Even answer been married for more than thirty years have and he loves not having any of the limelight exactly tell me why
I'm so wonderfully well, I knew lance as a friend before we dated we were both at a tennis club at Heston and then one day
I was having a meal there. He was having a male another table. He said. Can I join you? We want both having kitchens redone at home, so we had no facilities to cook. So he said what should we go out for dinner? Then, and then the rest is history. We went out. We got married two years
Peter and he's just wonderful he's. My inner he's maroc is my
I could imagine my life without him. So have you got a track in honour of once? I do because we both love our green, and we went to see him at the elbe whole just a few years ago and when
saying this song, we just looked at each other. It was a moment, even after all those years it the moment, and it was said of really really special and I love the song, it simply beautiful,
what about the way? Love him.
no way
It's beautiful,
bill
when you get to
our green, simply reads: it follow suit, supermarket he retired from tennis in nineteen, eighty,
I know you would just twenty eight when you took that decision and he spent eleven years as a pro player. Your entire life was tennis. Now many many sports people. I would imagine all sports people who go through that transition struggled with it was it like that, for you absolutely. I remember waking up in the morning and thinking what am I going to do today and I thought he thought nothing and I suddenly felt my whole life's gone. All my friends have gone my purposes gone, my dreams have gone, and you know it could really have been traumatic,
for me, if I thought, if I hadn't, who had a wonderful phone call to go and work is so, and so this is one of those strokes of love. Now we were talking I earlier, and I am at this conference in quite unlikely form. Yes, the shape of someone by the name of gordon bennett, correct I'd made the decision to quit when I played in melbourne in Australia
I had just been beginning to come back. I had awful injuries and my ranking dropped and I was relying on tournaments giving me wild cards and I didn't want to go round the world begging favors. If I couldn't be in the tournament by right. I didn't want to do it, so I thought that said. I've got to quit, so I set of retired and everyone was shocked, and that was all we wanted to,
we are not going back to the hotel and I had seventy messages and I just kept throwing.
Im away, throwing them away and I just kept three. I was going to throw my mom going to phone. Mr Roberts, and I saw this one message: they would you please give me a call, gordon bennett. I thought who's this because you know I've got a lot of prank.
Two jokers in my life, I'll see, though it was a meta. I thought it was somebody on gordon bennett, you've retired, so I thought hm I'm going to phone that person. So this voice answered hello. I, when gordon bennett- and he goes yes,
I'm the boss of channel seven in australia and want to offer you a job, and I was like oh my word,
We thought that so easily could have been another message that would just got binned. After commenting on tennis for a few years,
the australian David hill offered. You are presenting job. It was on bees, sky, be what was that like? He gave me the best introduction into broadcasting because he made me do the continuity between every programme on be sky, be so light they had truck ray
sing and darts bowls. They had all these different things that last half an hour, so I used to come in for my minute and a half, but it made me get used to listening to voices in my ear, get used to hitting a hard count and doing all the things that you have to do as a presenter. I had to do that every half an hour. He broke the mold in a way because women weren't presenters of sport back then other than Helen roloson, who did have friday afternoon, show
a real challenge, and I just thought I'd give it a go, and I won't listen to what the the other presented to say that I was good enough for. I could.
the same as what we have here, a few snickers in a thing you know, because we were the three girls doing together. David hill brought them all by giving
Female producer. We were known as banana rama idly office
but we didn't get a mother. They didn't know. That was a compliment. Well, I thought it was magnificent. Was immensely impress? Well you took by people breaking them old say, but you know you placed a trail yourself, I'm so ass to be skype, bade the bbc empty open. Ninety. Ninety three from wimbledon you ve gone on to front grandstand the limb pigs.
Commonwealth games, sports personality of the year question of sport. I mean the list goes on and on credible. Looking back, how much of what you learned on the tennis courts, were you able to put these in front of the cameras so much of it? So much of it is a very
a similar, very similar skill being able to to put out of your head what's happening around you and just focus on on what you need to focus on and also just finding a way through things when things go wrong. Finding solutions. Every time we were alive is like wonder, what's going to happen here, because I knew I never use ot acute, never wanted it never wanted to feel constrained. By that I wanted to ad lib. I wanted to react to things that were happening. See tells about you next,
risk is the one that I think I was most proud to do, because it was what I used to watch every saturday and sunday sitting with my dad, I'm in mum watching grandstand, it's a match
we'll piece of music- and it means everything to anyone who loves
a prestige,
the ship for the whole nation survive, because they will give me goosebumps, like the theme tune to grandstand composed by Keith mansfield, so sue the many programs that you've presented over the years- and I know that you said a question of sports, giving you more fun than anything else. So why I took over from David coleman in nineteen ninety seven and took over with ally, mccoist and John
parents. They were a nightmare to try and keep under control, but it was all part of the fun and then matin toughest feel. Tuffnell failed. South, though, he's only known as tough as it's tough as endorse, but but map toughness, and I we're like best mates and we just had such a bond and we absolutely loved that programme. We would devastated when it came to an end, but all good things in oak have to come to an end, unlike other
and and moving on from other projects that we talk to buy that that wasn't your choice. No, it wasn't no choice, but we sort of new. It was coming and we totally accept that. I think it the way it was handled may
me think more about wimbledon about why. I then what
to walk away my own terms rather than be pushed out the door
well to be taken into a room after twenty four years,
we told we don't want you anymore. I just wish that handled the end. A little better. You said see that that you wish that your coach author robots could have seen what a success you ve made of your second career d feel eve achieve more than you did with your tennyson, and what do you think he would have made them?
I definitely cause. I dont think I had any ambition of where I would go with television. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought of where I, where I've got to mister Roberts dear offer. Not only did he give me my tennis life, but he I think he gave me the tools to go to challenge myself to go into a life than now.
Even I could have ever dreamed of. Well just one more track two here before we send you away to your desert island sue. What's gonna be Elton John, you such it
and his fan, and when he wrote this song he wrote it for bleaching. King is a tribute to her and a tribute to ten is so. I have to salute the wonderful elton John and philadelphia freedom,
and out, and you
the and philadelphia freedom, so sue barker, I'm going to send you away to the island it's time and give me the bible and the complete works of shakespeare to take with you can take one of the book. What would you like I've talked about are enough of no billie jean king, her audible,
well feet all in then. I thought, if anyone's going to inspire me to survive on a desert island, it's b, J k, so billie jean king's, all in I'll. Take with me thank you can also have a luxury item. Well, what are you going to go for? I thought of so many wonderful things I could take with me, but any friend of mine they'll say if she doesn't take a glass of wine with them, so I am going
take one of my favorite saving your bunks from new zealand only wool and thoroughly enjoy that. Finally, we,
she one track of the eight that each head with us today was you rush to say from the waves that he needs to say they all mean so much, but some
and will make me more terry than others, so I'm gonna go with harry hippy that I can just sit and listen to all day long seebach,
Thank you very much for letting us here. Your doesn't Alan discs. Thank you.
hello. Oh enjoyed my conversation.
see, let's leave us sipping her favorite sylvan, your blog listening to the sound of the waves. We ve passed many of sues ten
friends way, including her mental and pile billy, jean king martine enough rattle
and John mcenroe. You can find these episodes in a desert. Island discs programme archive untrue bbc sends the studio.
Jeffrey today's programme was Andrew garrets, the assistant produce it was christine pavlovsk and the producer was katy. Hitman next time my guest will be the furniture restorer and broadcaster J blades. I do hope
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