Who hello and welcome to this late night debate. Edition of the five thirty politics podcast, I'm Galen droop Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders just wrapped up their first head to head debate under pretty unusual circumstances. There is, of course, a growing a pandemic has changed all of our lives in the span of a weak, and that was the focus of the first half hour of the to our debate, and then things move on to many other topics and binding sanders got pretty feisty. So we're going to talk about what happened and all mention the last week I said that we were testing our remote capabilities. We tested them. We are still here, to improve them, but we are going to be continuing to use our remote capabilities for the foreseeable future. Like a lot, people around the country so bear with us and we're going to get better with time anyway, here with me to discuss

our editor in chief and it's over how to? How are you? I'm survive, and all alone in my apartment, going on a week also with us is managing editor make a common mica. How are you good. Yes soon, we won't have the wedge cellphones too port. Our audio, Inter Headphone, soon will live more professional set up, which you can see if you're watching us on Youtube, because, yes, we are still putting these on Youtube even there, where recording with our computers also say that Clara's out this evening and she'll be back with us, soon show first question. I think I usually ask was there are clear winner, but I think the first person to ask here is how did the debate suit moment? The first have our was about the crisis. Was that enough did it seem like it well calibrated to the crisis that the nation is in right now it seemed appropriate enough. I guess the caring for a little place even aggressive at times, but their turner

when a nomination- I don't know I mean I think it seem fine, I think there were moments turned the debate where four sanders in particular some of his tried and true talking, point, felt a little. You know out of given the moment, but I would, I would agree with me that those moments were thirdly, minor, given that a lot of the focus of the debate was about corona virus, so on alive, I thought I thought the debate moderators have handled it. Well, I think TAT was there are clear winner of the debate. Not really frightening. Fine, probably one, but you didn't when he didn't lose and He was not lose and if he had lost deprive would have won the primary anyway I don't know, I don't think we want to provide like we have a forecast- All this is buying is ninety nine percent. To win the majority. Maybe there is,

corona virus related impacts that, like it's, not accounting for or something it doesn't account for electronic getting sick, for example, but I don't know. I don't wanna kabuki our listeners into pretending that there's a competitive race when there's not. We time on five. Thirty talking about people are too short themselves. This either way? Thirty percent I from here This is not like a terribly suspense full primary at this stage, and are really the goal was for by it and given that its non competitive primary at this stage, That news coverage is moving on. To crown a virus was too not mess up in any kind of major major Well, I think, there's a little bit of light of like go off is the best defence right. I think when Biden was increment defects but for some narrowly debated in Rome when really minded helping him, he made more errors, but other kids get out on the attack had seemed kind of people. Frankly, unlike defending himself, and so I think you kind of thought like office- is the best defence basically go after Santer,

yeah go after senders, little bit or counter punch at the very least although I suppose you is conflict yeah what, and of dynamic did that create. I mean given that in the first half hour I almost expected that the entire two hours we're gonna be spent talking about corona virus and the other thing that I think people may have been thinking going into this is that, since it seems likely that Santos doesn't have a chance at this point, he'll be pushing bite into the last but not really going after him in an aggressive. Why? That's not what happened like there was a solid our in their where they were really going after each other. Why did that and of happening? Mica yeah? I was pretty surprised that maybe I shouldn't have been so. I went into the bay thinking exactly what you just said, which, which is that you know give in the way

bite in appears to have this nomination. Pretty wrapped up. That Sanders strategy would be too focused on policy, not trying to appear as if he was trying to harm by then given up on his very likely to end up in the general election. I think looking back now Sanders pushing bite into the left on policy doesn't look that different, then Sanders attacking Biden because he wants to win the primary so looking back, maybe we shouldn't have expected that much of a different. That's it though I think Sanders. There were a couple moments where sanders went after bite in not in a way that that suggested. Oh, I want this person to hew to these policies once there, the nominee, but just in a way of like ham, trying to win this thing and pain here here's a line of attack.

And going after my record really right pretty directly yet, though those moments stood out, particular and going out going after binding record on part of his record, whereby it, has already shifted to the left. So they hide amendment, for example, on immigration is so if if, if you're Sanders and you're trying to box binding and to some extent, so you end up with the most liberal democratic Domini possible, it doesn't make it I sense to go after him on issues where he's already shifted to the left. Now. Maybe a lotta that is simply just like you're on the debate stage after reacted in real time. You should have revert to what you know. So much are how much I would read into it, but I was surprised by by by how much sanders when, after by died, would be less than it was rather damaging to write and in any way, I'm not in the primary we discuss that it's over, but do we preview lines of attack that might come up in the general on

now, maybe social security you ve seen the trump can be, interesting, valuable figure? And now I d, illogically sat, and so I've heard people talking about bite and being vulnerable on social security, for example. Was that an aspect of tonight's debate at all He made vulnerable now I mean I think it was a pretty dull debate, except for the fact that no one really and that I said that he's gonna woman VP you know, I mean Bernie tried to kind of corner him on this particular debating point. I should like, when I was in high school debate about, like you he win and ass for the baby. We like one argument, no matter how consequential or not then you can argue that you and the whole debate on you tell their but like that's how it works and like she'll debate. Ok, let's say that binding at some points on the second floor talked about potential that social security respect, balanced budgets or whatever not innocent rank optimized. Whenever not loaders. Don't thank you.

Only today stands for cutting social security and whether he said Alice on Florence up on a open, not probably doesn't matter as much as you know, as what think about his overall position on also security, given eight years of a year as VP, burning is very often like kind of not thinking about you know winning the actual debate, not just the argument I'm the primary. Moreover- and I just the argument- is also we see litigated before I mean we, we should talk about bite its pledge to pick a woman as VP. That with super interest I will say Galen to your point about the general election if anything having having sanders as a full your attacking Biden from the laughed you know, I'm not sure it makes much of a difference at all on the job our election, but if anything, you would expect it to be marginally helpful to bite in just in terms of positioning as the the kind of more reasonable, the more reasonable. What a dear, how unprecedented is it to make a pledge that your

choose any particular person I mean I guess people make pledges about their cabinets, sometimes or Supreme Court justices, but is an unprecedented to make commitments about, the gender or raise or whatever of the person that your vice president is going to be mean. Ted crews picked a VP nominated, so I freely in Algeria as like. I hail manner, but not as the likely, not I'm in a hurry. Imagine Biden picking somebody soon. Only for small happens to be the case that most stronger nominees. You can always want anyway happen to be women, so Harris Enclosure and wretched, Whittemore and Sissy happens. All those people it wouldn't, as we have Bible says after Tuesday that ok, we Flung hiatus were either say to postpone their boat or them can be weird anyway? He's gonna turn out at a time like this. When the CDC says no mass gatherings for sixty days and say, look I'm way ahead. This

should be over verdict, knew where the hell he once but like I'm gonna start campaign which our election, I think he might do and I think that might be a good strategy for their election other primary. They might pick a VP nomination, notably soon I mean I don't know like if by ministers for states by twenty or thirty points on Tuesday is either there's no voting in a next states for like six weeks Where are we write? Domini, I think so he's up twenty five points in national poles What did he want to choose his vice presidential pick out a time where they're going to garner a lot of positive media attention and not when they're gonna be swept under all of the corona virus coverage? I mean a veto if you pardon binds response is being, paired then many here VP might look more prepared. You know it's like keep it produces a big balance or in surplus about who the hell carers.

In July of elections in November. So if it's part of like here's, my preparation, here are some new concepts on day one hears a contrast with prompt and parents, like I dont, really see that much besides doing it, you're saying something about shadow cabinet. Where you could come you like it, the UK, where the opposition fixed, like a shadow cabinet before, actually, when the election, obviously or when they lose the election. You know you could see by say. Ok here would be my direct your help. Services offered to go that far. We could say like here I run my presidency in the era of the court of auditors outbreak as a contrast to drum. I mean it, so it's so interesting if the primary gets essentially pause after Tuesday as neighbours describing because there's this natural law in the calendar and medium furthered by corona virus, whether that makes bite in the more presumptive

how many because he's well ahead now and let the names of e pack- and that makes it all seem all the more presumptive nominee right or it makes it so that Sanders the Sanders campaign can basically hang on longer by depicting things accurately. As I can wait, a second in this race was interrupted before it was technically over sixty percent over and if the poles are right, the mind will have one like all these huge states but need that's how we think about it, but I'm about like how that's a democratic- and I mean he's up these down twenty five points in the polls. I mean Bernie can do whatever he wants to sing like I don't know if, like voters

and see the media or the binding campaign will really care that much. Oh, I would if I had a bad, I would bet almost all those groups would treat bided as the presumptive nominee. I guess I'm just interested in like what does sanders do before tonight. I don't know, look I don't know. What's Anders is going to do, I think kind of predicting what he'll do is mostly just stabbing at things in the dark but like before tonight. I thought he would drop out relatively. Soon given the speech he made, maybe soon after this debate and the voting on Tuesday. But I dont know tonight. If it was more, it was five year than I expected it. Yeah, but as a matter what's Anders, thus in a way at this point in matters last, because the press there's gonna, be a lot less interested in

He has to say about Biden or what he has to say generally because of the amount of coverage and it's going to be dedicated to corona virus is not going to hold a rally. So, there's not like big press events to even cover anyway, so I that would be a reason that I would think he would out sooner rather than later, but it's also a reason that whether or not he does get out his impact on coverage and the race is minimal. No, and we so much of Sunday notes, the bay was focused on Was- was sanders going on attack at parts of binding record right, and we ve seen over and over again that the voters just don't care that much about how consistent your record,

is whether you changed positions, whether you voted for this or that bill thirty years ago, I mean think of trauma permanent positions. He flipped on think emit Romney right. He would he got tigers, afoot, plop her in two thousand. I didn't win that nomination, one in twenty twelve. I did you, I think, to your point Galen like maybe it's just, matter that much what's Anders does here, while I think we're actually gonna keep this response. Podcast tonight, relatively short, cause we're recording another podcast tomorrow about well the corona virus and the general public's responds to a more broadly. And also pre viewing those primaries in Ohio, Illinois, Florida Arizona, but on an ending. No, you know. Does anybody remember this debate is this was as all kind of like a weird two hours worry picked our heads up from corona virus and do not forget about it now

I don't know how long this is going to last. Let's say it's two months. For the city sees no mass gathering recommendation. I think the only that anyone will ever member from this period in history, laughed you with your anti virus no one's going to have the debate knows what happens Tuesday unless there's a massive shock and birdie winds, Florida or something that's the only story, all right now to be honest, I do want to ask you how it's going to affect turn out, but I'm actually gonna ask you that on tomorrow's podcast, so that will give people something to make sure they turn into. Yes, it just to respond to what nature and wrap it up. I think that right, I think

viruses east these story. It doesn't leave room for much house, although certainly I think people remember if this is indeed what happens, and I think it will be that this was the time period when Biden wrapped up the rap wrapped up denomination. But it is just worth saying- and we are talking about this- a bit on the lie blog that like it is amazing and I think, speaks to how big of historical run of ours is think about how big this field was. This was a field of of how I think we had twenty six or twenty seven major Canada till one point by our criteria and we finally get down to two people to Canada under debate stage, and no one cares, and I think you guys are right note likely. No one will remember much of this at all, but can you imagine, though, if their want just to candidates and so

it was well on their way to winning the nomination. Can you imagine if there are still four people running or something- and it was very undecided- It'Ll- be incredible? How you'd have to manage that No, let's run much of her eyes. One thing I mean wherein they at least from a? U S, sampling kind of early days. Here there are some areas where people are her down for weeks where maybe things seem to be stabilizing and where people are paying onto the various diversions, including politics. If I hear myself say that now, I'm gonna like ok, you know at this moment, right now, at the very least, the only thing people care about is how their day to day lives changing, are about to change but how bad it will be, a virus this debate. We remember very much but yeah me like a scenario where Biden doesn't emerge or someone does emerge similar front runner Super Tuesday. Ninety nine percent right, then that's a gigantic problem because it

at the margin that you know in the calendar, around could affect things right turn out to be effective. Somewhat unpredictable ways itself could matter. I mean the other four sanders has is like Let's say that by Wednesday four states on Tuesday. And then we're result start to happen right when no one's turning out like that would really be a legitimate argument: Fur the nomination anyway, you know that means it's like us. The other problem has like isn't gonna comments. If it gets close enough Bernie, where we can actually he does when it's more likely to be adequate s, comments. Because even heard from actually get to majority right so could escalate people who say: okay well bibles, when everything until America became Apocalypse no and turned out for two months right and then Bernie reel off someone's they're, not gonna, get me the term innovation. The Bernie now in prediction market actually have Hillary Clinton is being Let me now many than Bernie right now. It's I don't know. I believe, but like that, has reflect some

but thinking about, like you know, is there some giant unexpected thing that If there is, then you might be yes, where, even though biting does have majority planned delegates, get someone, apart from by an inverted, becomes a nominee well, we're gonna talk more about this tomorrow. So let's leave things here for now. Thank you. Thank you gave in days mega thing. My pleasure, my name is Galen droop Tony Chow is in the virtual control room you get in touch my emailing in us at Potass, at five thirty dot com. You know, of course, tweeted us with preshent or comments and if you're a fan of the show, leave us a reading or review in the apple pie, catch store or someone about us thanks for listening and we will see,