The most notable thing about this election day is that it's been a year since election weak election. You mean we can months saw him thither all would be real yeah. I guess it wasn't like somebody was like three months what street for over a month, I had to celebrate my birthday on one of our late magpie casts last year. So here is my prayer that this election is over by Friday. hello and welcome to the five today politics podcast I'm dealing droop and election day is here. The two statewide raises on Tuesday Are the governors raises in Virginia and New Jersey for paying particular attention to Virginia where Republican Glenn Young and has taken a half point lead over Democrat tearing Mcculloch info. thirty aids pulling out so, in other words, the poles are tied, we'll take a look

what has made that raised so close in a state that Biden one by ten points, but those are also not the only races being decided on Tuesday. There are local watches and valid initiatives across the country, which will also dig into in mayoral, raises in Boston, Cleveland, Minneapolis, Seattle and Buffalo vote. Will decide between more moderate and progressive Democrats and in Minneapolis voters are being asked whether to significantly alter the oversight and make up of the city's police force here it meet to discuss our politics editor Sarah process, and he Sarah hey How are you doing while you now reflecting on the years since our last election weak, although, as you pointed out before we started recording it was actually election month or maybe even months so here is to this just being either, in day or maybe election days. Not election week was all over. This is since analysed Jeffrey Scully, Hey Jeffrey, hey, Galen, and

see here with Us- is Kristen Sorties Anderson, the co founder of the republican pulling and research for Em Echelon insights, welcome back to the park ass Kristen, I'm so glad to see that things are happening. Galen always great to have you so later on our colleague your rage is also going to join, to talk about some of the local races. As I mentioned, we ve got a lot to coverage, but a quickly wanted to ask our favorite pulling question before we dive into the race in Virginia, and the question, of course, is good use of polling or bad use of polling last week on the spot ass we mentioned that a certain someone was turning forty- and I know he's not here today, but make us birthday sparked a whole internal debate at five thirty, eight about which decade of your life is the best, and it turns out There is actually pulling out there, so you got surveyed Americans aged eighteen to ITALY, asking them by decade what are the best years of your rights now, the result This is essentially a tie between ones, twenties and thirty, so twenty four percent of respondents said you're too.

these are the best years of your wife, twenty three percent. The authorities are the best years of your wife. However, this kind of a problem here Any of the respondents of the pole had never experienced all the decades of life under consideration. So and a twenty year old reliably say, whether your authorities are better than your sixties, they broke down the responses by age of risk. on it? So you can see how different people in different stages of life answer this question. So all of that is to say this is the question that going to try to answer. If you want to know what the best decade of life is. Can you ask a random sample of Americans, or do you have to ask only people who have actually experienced each decades or say only ask somebody or old or above which is the better use of pulling so Maybe it's not a good use. Our values are going so much as a which is the best to use the appalling Chris

your Newton segments of what have you take us off. How do you interpret this? So I think the way they ve asked this question. The best case scenario for how you do it, because what they have said is not just what are the best years of your life that they say which age range? Do you think represented or will represent the best tears of your life. So it's interesting is they do have this small teeny tiny cross tab of those who are eighty, nineteen years old and, of course, for them their expectations or that the future will be better. So the plurality of them choose twenty two, nine years old. That's also the same result: you get amongst twenty to twenty nine years old. Now, it's true that, if you are three thousand two hundred and thirty nine, you are unlikely to choose sixty two sixty nine years old as the best years of life where, if you are actually in your sixties, you at least twenty one percent of

chose that as the best decade. There is this neat pattern where whatever decade people are in tends to be, if not the most popular response, the second most popular response for any group. But I think because the question wording does give you a chance, to talk about your expectations? There's still some value in that zone draft you agree. I think it's telling. that overall, the two decades that really stand out or two thousand two hundred and twenty nine three thousand two hundred and thirty nine. But I am skeptical that someone, eighteen to nineteen can really assess where they're going to be in their sixties or in their 70s, and I thought the way you got framed it around most people say that they like the decade there in or is Kristen was getting at it's the second most popular kind of speak to people like the decade, they're living in best, but again overall, you think, had you just pulled seven thousand two hundred and seventy nine year olds. Perhaps that would distort this image, because I think you would have a higher percentage of people saying, hey, you're seventies are great because there actually are.

That is, I think, the way you got structured, the pool with small. and I think it's telling that yet you're twenties and theories that really stand out. It's all downhill from there I don't know how feasible would be, but something along the lines of if you did Paul only older people and some out of control for the fact that they are. were likely to say their current decade for the seventy two: seventy nine year old range, for instance, because at least a fair number of them obviously did say so. Younger age ranges like three thousand two hundred and thirty nine and four thousand two hundred and forty nine. So maybe they could give a better overall sure of how, when you're older, how you would look back. This is a challenging question to ask people who have lived through the decades that their being asked to apply non self. Like Christian said, I think it's sort of did the best job they could with it, I mean if you look at just those seventy two: seventy nine year old, so fifteen percent said that seventy two seventy nine was the best decade, but that was the

the highest waiting, so seventy seventy nine year old, said first was thirty to thirty nine. So twenty percent said that, and seventeen percent said it was forty- Forty nine, that's obviously significantly different than if you ask twenty, thirty year olds what they think in particular twenty year old thing far and away the twenties either best, where four seventy year olds, seventy seventy nine year old twenties didn't rank all that high, so we're trying to find the real answer. If we want you know what years are the best years of your life, do ultimately think we can ask a random sample of Americans. Do you think we should focus on the numbers in that seventy, two: seventy nine year old column. I think you ve gotta analyze this by Cross tat. I think, looking at an aggregate top a number for this is a little selling for all of the reasons we ve just described because well, I think it's interesting too see how someone in their eighty

nineteen year old timeframe thinks about their future. Like that's an interesting data point, but it also fundamentally different than asking someone who is seventy, two. Seventy nine to reflect back, I remember when I was in high school. My expectation was, the college was going to be the best years of my life and now that I've been my late thirty's college, whose great loved my time at the university Florida go gaiters, but actually, I feel like I have more fond memories of high school and of what I might call freshman year of life like that brief period of you know a year to after you graduate from college, I may have more fond memories from that time. So it's interesting to understand where someone who is young, thinks they'll, be down the road, but it's a different question than asking someone who is down that road to reflect on their part yeah I mean look: it's a nice that fifteen percent of those ages. Seventy two! Seventy nine think that that's the best steak. I you know in my thirty's. I take hope with that, but I also think there is a clear

trend of between these are good. Thirties are good forties, early kind of okay if it does seem to go a little bit downhill after that. Maybe that's part of mid life crisis, this year, certain have health issues. I think this in some ways, kind of matches like life expectancy and just the issues you have as you age. Why are people biased towards the current decade of ever again? I would imagine that their biased towards the decade there in because they feel aware of all of the benefits. that they have gained over the years to get them to wear their at. But it's easier to think of the neck in the future. Like Sarah mentioned the health issues, its here. For me to imagine doctors office appointments, less and less pleasant as the years move on, walking up and down stairs, getting less and less pleasant as the years move on and so on and so forth, but sure? You know I think about my own parents and their in their sixties and actually they seem to be have

the great life no being sort of early retired, get to hang out with your grandkids. They can travel when they want. That actually seems like, Right now I am working not just ninety five, but you know working constantly, I enjoy and thrive on my work, but there's gonna be so some benefit to that period of life when you can just slow down and enjoy things in a different way Eric, while watching I repeat that this is a good use of pulling or the best way that you could pull this question from you got. This marked a lot of debate internally and five. Thirty, as I mentioned over, which decade of life is the best listeners. If you have thoughts on this, please getting patch. Let's talk about tuesdays elections, but first today's podcast is sponsored by better help online therapy. The best way to think about therapy is through a bunch of analogies. We get our cars tuned up to prevent bigger issues down the road we get annual check ups and go to the gym. To maintain physical well knows and prevent injury and disease. We do chores regular

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better help b e t t r, HD, lp dot com, slash five, three, eight, the numbers, not the letters, Tuesdays statewide elections in Virginia and New Jersey will give us some sense of how much the political environment has shifted in favour of Republicans since Biden election as one benchmark finally one Virginia by ten points in twenty twenty and he one New Jersey by sixteen points. Virginia is be more seriously contested by both parties. So, let's start their according to five buddy, it's pulling average Glenn Young can in turn cars are essentially tied. So forty seven point, six percent for young in forty seven percent from a call us Would you characterize this race Jeffrey? Do we have enough pulling for a reliable average and does the pulling paint a similar picture announcing? We have enough polling to have a decent average. There

is- and I think the general you lie. The poles do agree that its very close race, which does raise questions about The potential idea of hurting, which is some posters coming in retreating, their numbers slightly, because they're afraid of having a notable outlier. I will say it. The time that there are poles like those from Fox NEWS, which showed yanking ahead by eight points in its most recent survey that are clearly not hurting, so I don't think, there's a particular part- take awaited. That's going on, but I do think that the races probably best characterized as much I've had a narrowly for a long time. Something appears to have shifted at least to some extent. The point reaction is either tighter ahead of Mc Cough and that going into the vote on Tuesday it's extremely close and either party could come out on top of this. What is response

for this race becoming more competitive. With that, it's tough to unpack. You know, there's been a lot of emphasis here on violence. Overall approval rating, which has dipped earlier in the race so are pulling. Average goes back until August. Mccullough had a six point: leaders actually over again and violence approval rating was turning to dip in August. But up until that point had been much better than where it was and its inner sing like Biden one Virginia by ten points. You know if you extend that to violence overall approval rating, which is about eight points underwater nationally. You think it would be about two points up in Virginia given how they voted in twenty twenty. But when you look at recent polls there you know violence, approval rating in a Fox news. Paul was eight points under water. It was nine point

their water in a recent Monmouth Pool, and then it was ten points under water in the Washington posts. Most recent poll, so violent is not pulling long estate. I think you are seeing a real drag on college numbers as a result, but it's hard to unpack how much of it is just paid out. By the same token, some of the issues in the race, whether it's the economy, which some surveys have suggested, our voters number one issue or whether its education, which is their number one or number two for a lot of voters young either. You know has an advantage on the economy in particular or on some like schooling, a slight advantage or its tied with Mccall of and those have become too really like heated issues that, I think have been hard for him to manage he's done consistently better on. You know who would handle the pandemic better? That just doesn't seem to be top of mine for voters orphan

is top of mind. It's more related to the economy than say safety around the pandemic. Your cousin, I note that echelon has done pulling in Virginia. I'm curious her. You interpret what has happened in Virginia over the past few months. The first thing we should point out is that Republicans would be in a very different position in Virginia. If there- but I guess we call it a primary they're, weird primary caucus hybrid had gone a different way. Candidates do matter we're going to spend a lot of time talking about the issues and the national political environment and its effect on this race. But there is an alternate universe that praise probably not too far from the one wherein, where Republicans in Virginia, do what they have tended to do over the last decade, which is from time to time they choose people who don't really have a chance of winning statewide, and you had in that primary a candidate named Amanda Chase who fashioned herself as Trump in heels his or her work

not mine, and yet she was not successful in that primary. So I think we would be look. a very different race. If the republican candidate was someone who was very strongly and obviously, in the Trump mould, someone who is engineered in a lab to sort of fire up the more extreme pieces of the republican base, verses, someone like Glenn Young can, who even turn Mcculloch sort of poked fun at him. For being this, nice guy wearing a fleece, and he said with no voting history in the past. So this is his first I'm running for office. You dont have a record. You can polecat in some ways, Glenn Young game is uniquely suited to sort of weather the storm of running in abiden plus ten state, and to be able to catch the momentum that you might get from a national political environment. Shifting your way because he's just a less polarizing figure than some alternatives that Republicans could have nominated the debts very, very true in an altar universe, where the Jew P held a true

traditional primary. There was concern within the Republican Party Virginia that if they did, that, Amanda Chase would win the nomination and she might have been dead on arrival as it can whereas young can also. I think another thing that's that's worth mentioning here is that young can had a lot of person resources he could bring to the table to as former. Ceo of financial company had Karla group. He has immense personal life, and he is so funded a good chunk of his campaign, while also raising plenty of money too. And that is a basically allowed him to be parity with Mccall. A fuse known is a really good fundraiser and the last time that Mccall friend for governor and twenty thirteen at one he out raised his opponent, concussion It was a republic, a nominee of eye a fair bit, and I think that was an advantage. It was also easier to paint cushion areas like a right wing. Ideologues and see young can is more difficult to do in that way and so

actually a kind of initiative difference, because otherwise, the twenty thirteen race and the twenty twenty one race have a few similarities and that there was a somewhat fairly unpopular democratic president, but yet in twenty thirteen Mccall, if one by a couple, whites remains to be seen how it's going to work out this time form, but I do think that it's easy to see the young kinda stronger republic in nominating could Chanel. He was here and on that note in the Washington Post Smith recent poor. They look to see now ok of bite and voters whose kinda colours and he's only got about eighty nine percent, suggesting that there is some break off there either for young dinner undecided, we're shrunken had ninety nine percent of Trump voters and he seemed to have success in terms. either winning over independence in the state or just making inroads with voters her a little bit more uncertain, and there is this

quote from someone in the Washington Post story who backed Trump and twenty sixteen, but then backed by it and in twenty twenty, and it really stood out to me because I think it's getting out what Christian and Geoffrey are talking about in terms of young kids ability to kind of merge, both the very like trompe aspects of the party. But then maybe some voter- more moderate and in the middle, and so she told the post reporters, I dont see him as being crazy and out there. He is being supported by the Republican Party. So he's got to Some of that stuff that the Republican Party feeds and- and I understand that some of that stuff was about election integrity. Yunkers flirted with the idea that Biden perhaps didn't when the election fairly. I just thought, though, is interesting that this independent voter, who had backed by it in time

twenty is no kind of thinking this through of well. He might say Excellency talking points I don't agree with, but their sillies other reasons why he appeals to me and I think, we're finding a number of voters in that boat currently yard when we did due to the cross tabs. You mentioned that some Biden, supporters are not supporting, recalled rather undecided are supporting young and what other ships do we see in the cross times either in terms of party I vacation, racial or ethnic breakdown, even geographic location like? Are we seeing the suburbs shifting back towards Republicans after a solid four years of them running from Republicans, so one demographic that

think is really interesting and I know work. Certainly gonna dig further into this and my Echelon insights pole. We found overall that in general you ve got young can up by about three points over Mcculloch, but when you break it out by our? U apparent of a k, twelve student or nine, if you're not apparent its Mccullough, plus one but you- are apparent. Its young can plus fifteen that's a really really big divide and, if you think about it, ok, twelve parents in General- there be slightly on the younger side. This is not a demographic. That's gonna have that big batch of sea citizen, his voters that are so critical to Republicans fortunes these days. These are

be younger folks, again often living in suburbs and the fact that you ve got it. We send our pull young and winning. Those spoke. Some by fifteen points does suggest that he's not just acting up traditional republican constituencies, but he is clawing back some of those voters that did sort of fade away from the GEO P coalition during the Trump years and perhaps even bringing in somewhat folks who have never really thought about voting for Republican before you. Actually one of the interesting time towards this race. To me at least, is that young kin pull even or even ahead of MC caully onto in terms of your voters. Trust most in education- and I think that's important understand- is that education is an issue where democratic traditionally have an advantage on these rossmore here It would do a better job. There are certain issues that each party tends to have more issue ownership over and education is one or Democrats ten to do better. So the fact that the republican nominee he can come in and be in a position to

pull better on. That issue is maybe a way of bring in some voters who might not have otherwise voted for him or is it just shows the strength that I think a lot of republican candidates would not usually have and I'll? Maybe some of that is also down to Mcauliffe in the debate saying I don't forget the exact quote now, but they about parents versus school, more as you should have more control over thanks at him, saying that parents should be telling schools had run themselves and that could of course says in by young can very effectively, and it also plays into our debates that are going on right now about how things like razor. schools other elements of education and especially coming out of the covered nineteen pandemic, concern about the education system as a whole. So the fact I think that young kids,

It's a gene roads on that issue is a sign of his strength and just to say the actual quote was core: I'm not going to what parents come into schools and actually take books and make their own decision. I dont think parents should be telling schools what they should teach right, there's like important context there, but of course in politics context can get killed really quickly if you ve got a nice five. Ten second click to run in an ad yeah education, in particular, with everything swirling around the country and critical race theory. And what is it that schools are teaching our children about slavery in America about racial inequities that has become a centre stage issue caring for January and,

curious going into this race. How important that is, she would be for voters no earlier in the year it looked like. Maybe the pandemic would weigh on their minds more, but education is either the number one or number two issues we ve talked about previously, and I think it's Jeffreys getting out. It's such a a fraught question around. If you ask parents both Democrats, Republicans most of them are going to say, I guess I think parents should have more of a say than say school Board in determining a child's education, the survey for american life at the American Enterprise Institute had done a recent big national survey on this issue in September, and they had found that wine they also come very stark. Partisan, divides on how slavery and disco nation should be taught in schools or how human activity is contributing to climate change,

there's been a number of stories coming out loud and county and for junior around sexual assault and how that happened in a high school and the extent to which the school knew? What? When and when parents knew what, and I think that issue has bubbled up in such a way that is tied to the national conversation, and I think you know it's something we ve talked about on this package that we expect, because it's been designed as such, that critical race theory would be kind of an issue. Republicans would push on in twenty twenty two in the hopes of winning back suburban voters to some that will see the extent to which that really happens in Virginia. You know. On Tuesday, I think it's important to point out that the education issue itself, part of what has been varies savvy, I think about

Young uns handling of the issue is that it is a very big umbrella under which a lot of other concerns can fall. So you may be a parent who doesn't care at all about whether your children are being taught about something like systemic racism in the classroom. That's fine, but what you're frustrated about was that you feel like you're lost a year. Last year you saw what they were learning when they were taking zoom school at home, and you were a little surprise. by what was considered a quality education and that frustration is still there and is still Layton and is still brewing, or you might be upset that your school is clearing, kids, who are very unto wear, masks so cove? It can be an education issue, public safety, be an education issues. Sarah mentioned that really horrible story about sexual assault out of loud in county. There are also a number of local school districts that made moves towards removing police officers from schools in the wake of the black lives matter, protest, etc. The idea will we don't want cops in our schools. There are now even in progressive communities, sort of push

against. That will wait a minute. Maybe it is a good idea to have a school resource officer in my community, and you ve, seen that touched on in some of Duncans messaging, and then. Finally, there is the question, and it's not just about critical race theory itself. I don't think you ve heard Glenn Young again put that phrase in an ad, but it's about in Virginia theirs of debate around things like eliminating the admissions requirements to some of the gifted and talented high schools in Northern Virginia or eliminating gifted and how did programmes entirely in sort of an aim towards increasing racial equity, but that's something that, if your parent of a gifted how to child your politics become secondary and you're like wait, a minute. What's going on so under this education umbrella, it's not just about the thing that gets the most heat on line, which I think is the critical race repeats. There's a lot of stuff that parents, from across the political spectrum can say I'm not happy with the way things are going in

cools Glenn Young can seems to be the one who says he wants to fix it. So I'm willing to hear what he has to say: christian Echelon inside has actually done pulling and research on what Americans think about school curricula to the extent that this is an actual question about what children can or should be taught in the classroom. What do you do on cover in that Poland, We did a study on behalf of an organization called the pie network p. I e there just sort of convening group for education reform organisations across the bullet spectrum. So this is not at all from the right or the left, and we were trained under stand. Is there any by partisan or non partisan consensus around how we should be talking about recent schools. We they found there are a number of areas where you find majorities of Republicans and Democrats agree whether its we need to make sure were that curriculum includes more about something like black history, that it's not just relegated to a month, but that its woven throughout that students or

supposed to more offers and historical figures from communities of color that there is ripe. Doesn't consensus that we can talk about the good and the bad for folks. Like historical figures of the past, I think our survey we use samples, liquid rigorous and in Thomas Jefferson, even Republicans, are like we're. Fine with you telling the complete story of these men were, you began to see more divides open up was one just on the question of, do we focus on this more or a refocusing on it enough focusing on the issue of racism itself that for progressive parents and Democrats, they are much more likely to say we need to be focused more on this in our schools. For Republicans this actually not a tonne. That say we should, focus on it less, but there's a sense that ok will. What we're doing now is probably enough, and I that more or less construct is interesting because for those who save a focus on it enough in our qualitative research. Their concern was, if you focus on it too much to actually divide kids more by

taking say a young child who isn't thinking about their friends in terms of race and putting race and those racial dynamics in their minds. And the other question is when you talk about more since last focus if you're, focusing on one thing more. What are you focused on less what is being lost in that process and its way again, my earlier point about young can being able to tap on some of these anxieties about things like gifted and talented education, etc. Okay, if you are adding in more focus on acts or what's the, why that you're losing that's. I think one area where you begin to see more divides open up. I've been parted reason that everyone so interested in the governors. Racing Virginia, is to the extent that it tells us something about twenty twenty two and the political environment. Overall, we talk a lot about education. The economy is one of the other main topics that comes up in terms of vote

making the issues that are important to them. Do we see this as a former shattering of the twenty twenty two elections or is Virginia unique? I think it's foreshadowing because everybody loves a winner and, while Republicans at the moment are not in the wilderness in part, because a lot of republicans are not convinced that they actually lost the twenty twenty election at the presidential level. But by and large report the greens, are gonna, be looking at twenty twenty, two and figuring out what a recipe for success so that we don't do what we didn't twenty eighteen, that's the last mid term really badly for the GEO P. How do we win back? Those voters that last year, already thinking young in the winter, so I actually think even if young and doesn't win, I think, if it's even close

and I have this debate with others on the republican side. There are some that say no, no, no young can has to win for this. To be true, I think This'Ll be true, even if young can makes it close if young and even makes close in abiding plus ten state, he will have demonstrated a way to sort of outperform expectations by bringing pieces of the republican coalition back that had been lost before so. I expect to see a lot of republicans talking more about education. If young can is either successful were closed. I expect to see them talking a lot more about inflation can, regardless of whether young can is close. That hasn't been as specific to his campaign verses, just a republican message overall, but I think this is foreshadowing, not necessarily if young can wins, Democrats are doomed, but if young can wins Republicans across the country or going to try to do what yanking did they're going to try to take that playbook debts exactly work and in the issues it will soon come opened. The dimly trawlers from jail

yeah are very much wants it. We will see next year in twenty twenty two and actually did something that Kristen was pointing out. There is even if he doesn't win, we know it's probably going to be pretty close if he does lose, and so for me, I think it's important for people to understand it. Analytically, when you think about just what this race mean. A fifty forty, nine but call of when a fifty forty nine young can win are not really substantively different. They are definitely different for governance purpose that ever Virginians, but not for what it tells us about. national, exactly for trying to understand. What's going on politically in this this environment, there not really all that different at all, and I'm always leary at this point we are still a year away from the new terms, and there will be undoubtedly

Another issue like lest we forget, the Supreme Court is going to rule on the constitutional treaty of Rome be waived later this summer. In theory, we actually have imperial information on how predictive the results of off your elections, like those in Virginia and New Jersey, are of the twenty twenty two midterms. How predictive are they when we advocate everything not specifically talk about this here, there's a thought that they are mixed in terms of how exactly predictive they are, but I do think that they can at least offer a signal of where things are. For instance, if Mccall does, when Democrats will be happy, but if it's a really really close race and to state that Biden carried by ten points, you know that suggested there has been at least some shift to the right and that that might augur somewhat poorly for Democrats next year does necessarily mean that the margin that International House vote is going to perfectly match up with that or how much the same swung to that right by

least could suggest that heading into the twenty twenty two mid term year, that that's where things are at the moment, that said that this was analysis that Harry and ten. Now it CNN dead for us at five, thirty, eight, when he was still hair, he found the Virginia at least isn't very protective of where the national popular vote in the house is going to be in a mid term election. He found about a seven percentage, point difference and that's a fairly large mezzo dishonest, I do want to stress that, even if Virginia is closed, resolved that isn't. It sincerely all that indicative of where it will be a year from now. If you had to say what a benchmark is for a good night for Republicans and a good night for Democrats looks like, whereas the benchmark before we actually get the results and before Everything gets spun based on whatever incentives people have to spin the actual election results. Basically,

a good result for the GNP is Mccall of plus to any margin young can went by and then maybe for Democrats if the car actually went by. More than a couple and runs against what the poles have shown here at the end, that that would be like, maybe wasn't as bad as we thought kind of reaction, the most likely come here is probably Republicans feeling good about the outcome. I do think the expectation game is so silly because, on the one hand, if you had told people back in May that the week before the election, you'd have coals come about showing young get up by eight, like, I think that's about Fox poll showed people would think you were crazy. They would just think like that's. Why We outperforming anything in the realm of reality that Republicans could achieve so young and making a close,

Mcculloch. Only winning by two by a may of twenty twenty one standard yeah, that's great, that's way outperforming expectations, but I do think that republicans have now got and so excited about young can and you beginning to see the hay young can have a thousand people at his rally, and Mcculloch only had six people and half of them are employed. Use of that type of of talk that its when they start really thinking. Ok, our sights got the moment We ve got it. We can do this, but suddenly now the expectation at least among Republicans really is, I think we ve got this, and so I do think there will be disappointment. Even if it's like a very narrow Mcculloch win, I think Republicans

still not feel well, we can spend this as aware. Ethical still feel pretty disappointed, but I still maintain that republicans are still going to focus on education and trying to talk about the economy. The way that young condemn across the country as long as it's close Virginias person lean, is actually de plus five according to our partisan leaned. So I think, Mccullough really does want to hit. Five points are more that suggests. Maybe the poles were a little off. My college was set, for then we had realized, but I think it's Jeffrey was getting any narrow loss even for young and as a win for Republicans as we are watching the rest come in on Tuesday night you, we talked a little bit about areas of the electorate that have shifted, or their particular pleases in Virginia that we should be watching, for, as the results come in, to give us

sort of sense of where the races headed number one and number two, because of the way that the vote is now segmented with or we vote day. Ivo and different counties, obviously taking different amounts of time to tally. Does this kind of looking at about whether county approach makes sense? So I think that it dies and I've got to go These in particular that I'm gonna be focused on and those counties are loud in county which, if you are not familiar with Virginia loud and is a very serve up scale Ex urban psych horse and wine country its outside of DC about a forty five minute to an hour and a half drive, and it's the kind of place that voted for George W Bush by reasonable margin. So tight and then swung him and voted very slightly for Obama, but voted big for Bob Mcdonnel. Who is something we have talked about this podcast yet, but I think, is an interesting historic.

This two thousand and nine historical historical examined these days. It feels like, yes, obey a vague Virginia Republic in coming in and saying you know, his slogan was Bob's for jobs like a really economic heavy. I'm going up modern Republicans in the suburbs. Height message this, with the exception of Mcdonnel Loudon and Enrico, which is the suburbs around Richmond voted for George W Bush twice. and then slowly in the Obama era comes, they become slightly democratic and they just trend bluer and bluer at the presidential level, in twenty twenty. If you look at loud and loud and voted for Biden by sixty one point, five to trumps, thirty, six

five, so a huge margin, their Enrico kind of similar number. Sixty three point: six percent went for Biden, only thirty four point: six went for trump. This used to be the sort of Place George W Bush would win, and now both of these important counties have become you know, d plus thirty type places. Then I think they're exactly the types of places where young kids message is gonna, be making an impact, and so, if you're, just for two sizeable counties that I think of a potential to be really swinging here. Those are my two yeah others are to really get once. I would also add two places that are a bit more republican, leaning than the state as a whole, but that Biden carried in that. If Democrats, when a very much a signal that they're gonna win the state and if Republicans when but dont, when the by very much, they also may not be enough to win the same The GOP Mendes are Chesterfield County South of Richmond, so a neighbour of Enrico and then the city of Virginia Beach down the southeast corner of the state. These places.

that are to the right of the state, usually by Biden nearly carried Chesterfield, which had voted Republican for very long time and part of that is, like you know, it's exhort increasingly diverse, very upscale. urban place body then democratic and it's sort of question of young kids gonna win it given the way the race sky but a sword by how much is it only like two points or he wanted by, like five or six and sort of return closer to the margins that european used to win in a country like that before Trump entered the picture or even by bore it back then, and then for vision. Beach and out place the Biden carried by a little bit usual. if you see Virginia Beach, go blue and election out? You know democratic state statewide, so young can

Well may carry it and then its oral question of it by a couple points raised by like five or six, because if it's that then maybe uncle winning, I do want to ask here. You know we were talking about the parts of the electorate and the parts of the state that maybe shifting from blue to read. We also know from looking at the pulling that republican voters in general are pretty enthusiastic and that's why we see that in lightly voter models, youngsters doing better than just amongst registered voters. So I'm curious when it comes to not necessarily the swinging or parts of the electorate, but reliable republican voters unreliable, democratic voters. What kind of gauge, and are we seeing on the left from young voter Our voters have collar, too, are reliable, for Democrats are. There is ample up as the right in this election. What I'm seeing my pulling is that and not we just came out of the field late last week was we were seeing as much of a divide and enthusiasm between Republicans and Democrats now

that's, very different than what CBS is polling showed about a month. Earlier, a month before the election Republicans were fired up, they were ready to go, they were enthusiastic or Macaulay. Supporters were a little a little less so, but it's almost as though Virginia Democrats got the memo that this was real race in enough time to get fired up to begin participating. I do wonder Election was held, you know a few weeks ago. Would there have been a big enthusiasm in turn out differential that has now shrunken a bit as we ve gotten closer and closer to election day. I did see more enthusiasm among Republicans in that CBS Pole, where my pulling from last week showed very little I'd enthusiasm between the Democrats and Republicans and part of that. By the way, I wonder, is one thing that we haven't talked about: a ton is Mcculloch. Attempts to sort of thai Young can too

not trump and young and has been very savvy, as you noted Sarah, avoiding like he says what he has to use in order to demonstrate that he's a Republican and he is in line with the Republican alike, by is not so over the line that a swing voter couldn't vote for him whose interesting you saw. My colleague serve poking Trump call if in Biden during their rally like hey, why don't you come up here and then, of course, for the end of last week? Was that big mouth then I'm sure was a little bit of a scare fourteen Duncan where you had Trump saying Arlington. I'll see you on Monday items like whoa wait a minute? What's he doing, I wonder to what extent you know at the end of this has trying to tie young in Detroit Is it successful at all and is it at a minimum, at least for firing up progressives? Even if it's not doing much on the persuasion front? Is it at least getting Mccullough, reliable, democratic voters to turn out? ray. I think it was an easy narrative coming out of the California Recall election, which had at one point had shown a very close raised on the question of whether to be calm, new sun and then news

one handedly right much more than even our final pulling average suggested, very nose. Christian said earlier, like candidates really matter, Larry Elder was not a great candidate for the GEO p in that state, he was tied more directly to Trump than young can, as is Christians noting, but on this question enthusiasm. I think that is harder to answer, because, while poles have suggests that there isn't that was true as well in California and, as we very clearly saw you know there wasn't a gap on the actual action are granted California alone. balancing male ballots in, that's not going to be the same story here in Virginia, even though there will be a sizeable absentee vote going into Tuesday, but that plays a difference in

ass to three national elections. We ve, seen like huge voter turnout, is that a new trend now moving forward were turn out really on both sides. Despite who says, the more enthusiastic is consistently high, noisy Virginia as another data point on that front as well to the question about young people he more enthused and in what view. I think a couple things if you should keep in mind are that, generally speaking in a non presidential election, the part that is not in the White House there voter base is going to be more engaged. There's like this concept of differential turn out. It's a good idea that all else being equal- Irish Republican is gonna be more likely to show up with democratic the White House than a Democrat is, and vice versa. We saw during the trouble of course that a Democrat is more likely to short and republican, and so that's inevitably gonna. Play our part here and so to some extent like the region. A governess race was always gonna, be closer than the presidential race in twenty twenty and, at the same time,

we can expect young voters to show up at a lower rate than they did in the presidential cycle. Sakhalin. That's like not at all surprising now course much less they show up is important for Democrats, particularly because it's some more democratic, leaning, age group but it's like some sort, these things that are just I don't know they're like fundamental truths, but they are just patterns that we generally should expect to see in elections under certain circumstances, and so the idea young people are not as engaged in an off your election of Virginia than they were the present differences about the least stunning. Thank you can imagine hearing so I think, that's a good for people. Remember that, like there are certain patterns to our politics that show up, and so the idea is raised hasn't been closed. Is not really all that shocking it due to date as it might have closer, even if Biden were doing really well if his approval rating more like fifty five percent, also because Republicans were just still be- maybe more energized to show up because they're not happy with the status quo. So these are like just important factor that

we should keep in mind, or its are certainly some things to keep our eyes on in Virginia before that you all go. I do want to talk about the other state right race, which of course, is in New Jersey, so we don't have an appalling for an average in New Jersey Governors race, but the last time, last week, when we talked about this race, we had just gotten a high quality, pull showing only a four point led for democratic incumbent, Phil Murphy. Since then, we got three high quality poles. Putting his lead at nine points into balls and eleven points in another. So how should we characterize that raised at this point? Does the four point led seem like an outlier? Yet I mean I ethical expecting the race to probably go fulfil Murphy, the income and democratic governor sort of a question of the margin and again that could tell you something about the environment. If the reasons of being more like that, or point pull the end up. You're really good data plaything for Republicans and

if the races more and like the high single digits in a maybe that's a little less clear in terms of what it indicates. I think it's important members frustrate Virginia to Jersey years, there's an income and governor involved his decently popular, so that I can, I say with Virginia races that there's is no incumbency factor to really take an even if MC causes rang again. So maybe you could make an argument for that, but the incumbent factor can It confuse things. A little bit also ensures the actually has a history of voting for republican governors, even though it has been a democratic leaning stay for a long time and you, in. That voters say like an issue like taxes really important like the most important issue is the first priority for the next governor should be taxes. Murphy doesn't pull very well and taxes, Jackson, really the Republican pulls better than him and in terms of who you jerseys trust me Murphy might still be in a position where he's gonna win somewhat comfortably in the end, and I think that just says something about the past

Mitchell for a Republican who is not super trompe Jackson rallies, not not a super trouble republican so win in a state like New Jersey or do better than you might expect, because there are people who are concerned about economic and financial issues, and so maybe generally worked well on that front compared to one of the trumpet your opponents who face, and the republican primary, for instance, that Percinet one then either of them had one. Maybe Murphy would be really sailing. Reelection yet the polling around this race in what little polling we have does not really look like the polling did back in two thousand and nine go back to ancient history when Chris Christie was was first victorious. We know I'd just pulled up all of the poles from two thousand and nine, and you had about half the polls that we're coming out there in that last week, had Christie ahead and in even those that had John Chorodyne ahead. It was by really

Ro Margin Pseudo Monmouth only headquarters iron up by two, so you had an awful lot of data, suggesting that Chris Christie was perfectly capable of winning in a way that we just don't have that kind of data. Today If this race is even close in New Jersey, this is going to be another one of those big. Oh, my gosh, what's going on with the poles, and of moments. So that's why I think it has hasn't gotten as much attention because the Virginia is just seems like its defying some expectation so much and is so close. It's also right in accurate of our nations political media, industrial complex, where new jobs He is again very close to New York, so not far away from the media by any stretch, but this pulling just doesn't look like the pulling did in two thousand and nine. The last time republicans pull this off. It is notable too that in New Jersey, at least spiders underwater, but only by six points right so better than his national average and so

what you're seeing at play there is New Jersey as simply a blue or state than Virginia, and so, while some of the same issues, whether that's education, taxes are also playing out in New Jersey, it's just not playing out to the same extent as we see in Virginia. We talk a little bit about some of this pulling last week by far way. The number one priority for voters in New Jersey is tat. says, and then secondarily is jobs both of those are economic issues. I'm curious Christian in the point that you have done how people are thinking about the economy in moment, understanding that education is playing a big role in Virginia, but it's not everything short. So one thing that I began and seeing back in the spring. That honestly, surprised me- and I didn't know what to make of it, and now has become very clear- is people connecting rising cost of living and inflation to government economic policies? This was during the american rescue plan. We were test

ok, what are the things that people would most want to see out of this plan? What are their biggest concerns about the plan and the biggest concern we found that the biggest was pretty close to other things we tested, but it was at. The top of the list was that they were worried that the government spending this much money would lead to inflation and and cost of living. Now I've been in this business for a while now as long as some people, but I've been doing this for over a decade and a half and have just never seen inflation itself popping up as something that voters were deeply concerned about. You'll have things a gas crisis in prices on individual items that that worry people, but overall inflation. It was very strange to me to see that pop up and yet as the summer progressed, you begin to seem it. It was not just this weird outlier thing it was coming up over and over the people were saying: hey how come all this stuff I buy when I go to the grocery store when it the gas pump etc wise, it also much more expensive and yet, at the same time, there's

a labour shortage, and so it's not as the wages are sagging right now, but for a lot of people it doesn't feel like those wages are catching up anything most damaging for Democrats is then later in the summer when we asked what what do you think is causing this inflation, how much as each of the following contributing what people think that the world coming back to normal post covert. Nineteen, if we are postcode nineteen, which is debatable as well, that that was a part of it, but also the government spending money was something that an awful lot of people said they thought was a factor I know a connoisseur would hotly debate whether that is the case that, from a public opinion perspective, I think that's. A real challenge for Democrats of voters feel like the Democratic party does not care enough were not concerned enough about cost of living or if their answer is like will assist, subsidize everything and keep throwing more government money at the problem. I dont know that that's a winning economic message for them, as

does it maybe would have been in the past would cut it ties, and this is also the reaction to having a democratic run government across the board and the idea like what they call Thermo static poet opinion where one summer static public opinions. Here you know doing you know, like a republican presidency, maybe feebler start to say will actually I would much prefer more government intervention in the economy and now with, Democrat in the White House and Democrats controlling the Senate and the House give our assent let's have a little less government spending less government intervention as a sort of reaction. So I think, having the inflation issue, and in tying it into that, I just think that they sort of work hand in hand to some extent the people always what, but they don't have alright. Well, I think this is a good place to leave things for now we're going to bring on our colleague Nathaniel rated and talk about some of the local races but I'll. Let you all go so thank you. Kristin Jess and

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Why that's podium p? O d? I? U am dot com, slash five! Three, eight. as I mentioned at the top may all raises in citys around the country. Will pit progressive and moderate Democrats against each other and ballad initiatives will put questions about leasing and gerrymandering and lots of other things to the voters. Secured me to discuss, isn't offend Eureka chain of annual again. So I know that local actions and ballot initiatives. Are your jam. What's at the top of your rest for election day, twenty twenty one, one of the most interesting local races, we'll start there, and then we can get it at some of the ballot initiatives on actually gonna go for two fur gale in a city with both a may or race and a our measure actually to that kind of interesting and the cities. Minneapolis. So obviously, folks know that George Floyd was murdered in Minneapolis by police officers their last summer.

And in many ways the aftermath of that event is on the ballot a here in twenty one. So the mayor Jacob Fray is facing voters for the first time since that happen, and he was actually initially elected on a platform of more police accountability and play a lot of folks, particularly on the left, believe that he hasn't lived up to that. He didn't wasn't able to make any reforms. Obviously that would have prevented George Floyd's death and they think that he has been too soft afterward as well. Most notably, he has opposed the city councils efforts They found the police, and so he's gonna be on the ballot is facing two progressives who, I would say, the two strongest candidates and they actually made a pact somewhere to what we saw in New York City earlier this year between Gotham Garcia, an entry, anger, rather Andrea, Yang down to Catherine, Garcia, but basically to progressives, cake, nuth and she learned his odd- have said you should rank the other person. Second, my supporters, so

They are hoping that combined under rang choice, voting which Minneapolis has theirs porters will combine in a later round in order to overtake fray and and elect a more progressive mare at this time in Minneapolis their voting on to local ballot measures. One that would switch the city to a strong mare system. So some cities have a strong mare where the measures like the pro of the city and they have a lot of executive powers and that other cities, the mare, is kind of almost like a figurehead or just kind of the most powerful city, counselor and so This measure would give more power to the marriage office. An obvious about, has also become kind of a referendum on fray and and handling of things, particularly with the police, also have this ballot measure on question to a kind of as the language of defined the police. But it is strictly speaking, defending the police it would. place, the Minneapolis Police Department, with a department of Public safety, which would include things like

police officers, but also kind of focused more on mental health, social services and stuff, like that so similar to how the deaf the police moving slogan, as it says, defend the police and it's right. There in the title, but really a lot of those people, just mean to furtick some of those funds to social services and stuff like that, and so it's kind of a long. Those lines where opponents of and the police are saying. Oh, this is terrible. It's going to defend the police and her public safety. But supporters are saying Now it's actually more complicated, a more nuanced than that, and so between these three questions. I really think that policeman and the future of police, accountability and stuff like that is on the ballot Minneapolis. It's gonna be a lot of an outlet for a lot of people's emotions. I think, from the past year to kind of express themselves on the ballot. interesting to see what the combination is and whether there is some split decision- and here Minneapolis artisans could vote to give the merits, offers more power, but also vote to dissolve the police department or create this new department of Public safety which wouldn't be

where the merest control and they could choose to throw out or keep their current mare, this article that I wrote with Maggie Kurth on their website, which I encourage people to check out, found that many, was residents there, the term NEA appetite bulletins. I'm so sorry, I can't say that venier politicians yeah it's like the ice cream, except with Minneapolis many Apologia, Neapolitans area many patents. There is a really interesting pool of Minneapolis voters that found that they have very conflicting when it comes to the Minneapolis police, so they have very low opinions of the police, but they are afraid of what would happen. Basically if they defended it. So they said they oppose taking money away from it or having fewer police officers. Similarly, your mare frayed, doesn't it great approval ratings. But there is some indication that they white trust him over the city council when it comes to dealing with this stuff, so lots of possible outcomes yeah place near with, perhaps not now on applications so much, but the things that I think folks around the country will be interested in just because of what happened.

Was faster, so it some notable inconsequential questions being put our voters in May Apple is, of course, what we will be tracking that on the live blog on Tuesday night, along with all the other races and Many of those are. The reasons are mayoral. turns around the country that are pitting moderate and more progressive, damn crimes against each other. Much like the New York City marrow primary that we covered earlier this year on the pie cast, and so I want to zoom in on some of those races for a minute, maybe we'll play they see how much information you can give me about each of the cities, elections in, say, I'll, give you forty five seconds so Go Boston, your favor, of course, although Cleveland Seattle and buffaloes, we got four we're going to do a two times. Speed with of the mere always so, never one Boston. What do we have

so Boston is a race between two city councillors. Michel whoo hoo is a progressive she's, a protegee of was with warns, and then you have any so say be George, who is more moderate, although you're really just kind of mainstream liberal she's kind of Joe Biden, Democrat ashes, closely aligned with the former mare Marty Walsh, who left to become a member of jobs cabinet. But this is one way of looking pretty good for the progressive side. Will handily leads in the polls that we ve seen here. So it looks like caresses economic, not a win in Boston, oh, my goodness, you did it and under forty five seconds, alright, what were I to Cleveland when they reset my time, Here we go Cleveland, so in Cleveland you have a race between the city. Council President Kevin Kelly, he's in very much and establishment figure is served on the city Council for a long time. He is thirty, three years old and up old, but new on all he's older than his opponent. His white as well, and his opponent is nonprofit executive, Justin, Bieber, he's authority for your old black progressive. So really it's a tunnel.

contrast and that re, so that it can be really interesting. Wristwatch, that's one were actually I haven't seen any poles, I'm. So I'm not sure exactly how that's gonna shake out once again under forty five seconds, Mesrour should have challenged year over morbid does get okay. So next up we have Seattle Socio is one where probably the establishment has the upper hand. So there you have a former City Council President Bruce Harold, and then he is facing The current city council president, whose Laurina Gonzalez can has the support of Bernie Sanders privilege I appall lotta progressive folks, Harold and it has more of a business friendly reputation from his time on the council, but again this. A Seattle just like in Boston, both candidates are liberal, is just a question of our they liberal or they extremely liberal, and this grace where Harold seems to have the upper hand based on pulling one pool. I saw had Harold up forty percent to thirty two percent can also had a misstep where she Erin add that try to act

use hero of being soft on sexual assault allegations, but that our backfired hero is half black and he accused the air out of kind of playing into stereotypes. The featured a white woman kind of making these accusations against him. So that doesn't seem to have helped dollar, so it seems like Harrow is going to be. Next maraschino are those a little over a minute by you occurred some time from the other races selectivity of things, ass we is Buffalo which has interesting dynamic that wasn't plan to be a choice between two Democrats. But it looks like it's going to be exactly Buffalo has a traditional system where you pick the primary winner, the Democrats or public the stuff in in the spring, and then you have onto down covers republican November. had that race and Democratic Socialist India Walton actually upset the incumbent Mare of Buffalo Byron Brown, and we thought that Walton had clinched her three. Then can we actually know Republic round the ballot, but Brown actually is not going up

away quietly and he decided to wage a writing campaign and it actually looks that between the support of sir, if some of the Republicans who live in Buffalo as well as the moderate Democrats, supported him in the primary their staying corner he's got a strong apparatus, your ass On time, Arab Buffalo, so it's hot Nepal, these right in races, but Emerson College did find that Brown was leading fifty four percent to thirty six percent. So that looks like it could be a victory for the establishment as well again, whilst in being the only name on the ballot. I think a lot of people or just fill her in automatically because of that so that'll be sitting on the watch. But those are some of the reasons that are pitting the progressive and moderates against each other island is also having railways, which is not exactly the same dynamic. What respecting their yeah If we want to mention academics, Atlanta as a major city and important city for Democrats on that hasn't broken down on long, these progressive moderate lines, I would say that most of the candidates in that race or turning toward more moderate Islam is a sea that crime has been a big problem in

overwhelmingly the top issue of voters there in poles, and so a lot of candidates are kind of running toward the writer. where's the centre in terms of crime, saying there will hire more police officers, etc. The kind of rising crime has created an opening or a former mayor to seem read to me come back. He was pretty pop when he was mare, he had low crime rates during that time, but he also kind of had some issues with corruption and his administration not now specifically allegations against him but kind of under him, and so he kind of left office with an uncertain political future, but he has made to come back here and He looks like he is probably going to be one of the two candidates who advances to run off. This is kind of like the primary in Atlanta and my my would be on City Council, President Felicia, more being the other candidate. But again both of them are kind of more moderate on issues of policing and other things, but it has been interesting race just in terms of how there haven't really been allowed progressive voice in that region.

what is also to be deciding on bout initiatives on Tuesday, you mention, of course in Minneapolis. I wish we I'm here on this pie cast to cover every ballot in the nation and what kinds of questions voters are gonna be asked and be deciding, but since we can't do that, given top couple ballot initiatives that want to shut out before we go Yan and I would say that this house been a real banner year for Bangladesh is normally. I would be like dealing you gotta. Let me talk about these ten Balin measures, but a lot of things are just kind of fiscal measures, and things like that. That are certainly important if you live in that state or city, but our necessarily of interest to our national audience, there's a reason why there are a lot of ballot initiative here, vizier and its because people, you them to drive our voters in actual more consequential elections, and there are a lot of statewide or obviously national. since this year, and so you know, you can't use those wedge shoes and valid initiatives, and things like that to drive out

since our? If you want to do that next year, is your ear or, of course, twenty twenty four Well, I would actually say, though, Galen but like normally anybody years, there are decent number of interesting ballot measures, but even compared to like two thousand and nineteen or two thousand and seventeen the number has decreased. I think it's because of the Fantasmic in order for interest our measures in the ballad. Of course. Typically, you have to go out and collect signatures and stuff like that, and we sign twenty twenty, that the number measures, I think, was out like the lowest point in in decades, and I think that it was because those signature gathering efforts were hampered, and I think that that seems to have carried further to this year. So the three ballot measures that I think are particularly interesting this year were actually all referred to. The ballot by the legislature in New York, specifically seas are prepared those one three and four for those of you who live in New York on proposal, one is about redistricting, so folks might now that New York trying out this new, very complicated redistricting system, where they have

Advisory committee or Commission, that's supposed to draw fair maps, but then through. Kind of a series of complicated back and forth. Eventually, the legislature has the final say in those maps, and currently because the legislatures fully control by Democrats, they have to have a two thirds majority vote in order to pass any rational. Ups and this measure would lower that threshold down to sixty percent so essentially opponents are saying in particular that they would make it easier for New York Democrats to gerrymander their congressional legislative maps and then yeah fine these proposals. Three and four are to bring same day voter registration and no excuse empty voting to New York. Again folks, probably remember from the twenty twenty election when the pandemic hit allow, states tried to liberalize their election laws and a New York was able to do that kind of through, like a loophole. You ate like added the pandemic, basically as an excuse for voting absentee, but a lot of people are pointing out

work and a lot of other blue states. Have these antiquated voting laws that bam? No excuse devoting or in this case same day, voter registration as well, which isn't really RO, as with the current democratic parties, interest in expanding voting opportunities, making it easier to vote and stuff like and so this is an opportunity for New York to come more in line with that kind of democratic priority arm, and so the prohibition on same day, voter registration and no excuse actually voting or in the A constitution, and so they need voter approval in order to abolish them, and so that's biscuit with the stuff all right. What we watch. What happens in New York, alongside these other local races and, of course, the racist in Virginia and New Jersey. But let's leave with accept thinking Nathaniel things

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