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Peace is our lovely audience or give yourselves a round of applause. You make this life shall possible, as I mentioned on the dock at this evening, is our media report card and our twenty twenty democratic primary draft, but before we get to either of those things were going to revive a segment that we haven't done in awhile can only guess what it is going to use it, but we got some fans read up here in the expensive seat. Ok, Yes, it's good use of pulling or bad use appalling, and tonight we have a special New York edition of grew up or blew up this specific example courtesy of CNBC, but this has gotten plenty of coverage elsewhere as well. So here's see embassies analysis from today March. Twenty end quote

you poll shows that Alexandria, Cassio Cortez as approval ratings in the state of New York, have taken a big hit since Amazon announced it would no longer be building each cue to in queens, and this is based on a Sienna pull

Monday. That shows that across your court has its favour. Ability among registered voters in New York is that net negative thirteen and then they cite Equip yak pull from before Amazon's pull out, showing Oconto Cortez with a net favorability of plus five. So, let's begin here, is it meaningful to pole, voters statewide about someone who represents about seven hundred thousand people in Queens and the Bronx clearly, etc. The most she's she's a national figure, and I think that her advocacy against the Amazon opening was pretty well documented citywide. So I think it made sense to do that. I will say that it did the pulling kind of makes sense to me. I think I'll commodity

take good use appalling, because I believe that aims, I'm living in Europe is actually popular among New Yorkers. I think she got a lot of plaudits on twitter where the Anti Amazon movement was pretty strong, but I do think a lot of new Yorkers in general today, Amazon to come. That was a pretty distinct lane of coverage and ponder tree within New York, so kind of make sense that she got things a little button. The poles and also she was out there in the news more I mean. So, if you look, these poles do have crossed halves of New York City in particular, and that it and was steeper actually in New York City, where she went on, I think, like posterity, New York City, took a plus six and by the way most other declined was among Democrats and independent. So she was already very unpopular with Republicans doubt that there are many in New York, but there are some anywhere of applicants.

Don't you too have said. I think it is a good you spoiling the sense that, like a pretty clearly seems to me to be Amazon related right, it's nothin Republicans have demonized her, which Do it that this was an issue that was that was quite popular locally. If you told people are what these subsidies and whatever else, and here the effects but like that, wasn't necessarily persuading If I was kind of in a fairly early stage, the debate, all politics is local is kind of a cliche. I think there is something where people expect their members of Congress to prefer multiple functions where one function might be that Whatever are you allowed to use? You have your national figure, whatever you want, but you're also supposed to look after the kind of selfish best interests of your state and and city and borough of Gresham District and people. Think she didn't do that, and so it seemed to me like when she took a position and kind of took a victory, lap, afterward about it, that that was

can? I think she's, pretty good instincts, and I think she is often times unfairly maligned and unfairly targeted. I thought this was not a smart move, pull because you don't want to seem like your kind of throwing your constituents under the bus for the sake of some broader goal, you would rather be hypocrites. Go and say you know the rules that apply to my district, because I have to look after right, good use appalling. Yet web site. I sometimes an editor yeah. Do you think mica that we can extrapolate more broadly about how a blue stay and a blue city feel about these more progressive policies from the Amazon experience and looking at o Cassio produces pulling a little, but german accounts you Cortez is is really far left. She doesn't make any bones about it. I think there's this dynamic in them

The aware there like perpetually surprised that she's far left, but she is, and so even in a state like New York, which is blue or cause you're Cortez is like to the left to the left of the media and voter so yeah. So I think that the pork and it makes a fair manner. I do think you know early on when, like this like, what will the Socialism coming back up become a thing I'd at first, I was like a little annoyed because, like there's two democratic socialist, I mean national figures. I know there's more than that, but I do think it presents an issue for Democrats where like such an easy weapon that Republicans have and, as you saw a New York, it's a bridge too far for a lot of democratic amateurs. Lot of issues a democratic socialist would hold. That are therefore very well so part of- is a matter of like picking your battles that the technical These are fairly popular other but

Less popular Amazon is one of the more popular tech companies and again because of the color national view. The fact is that like people mostly bought These are free jobs that come to New York and stimulate the local economy and again their arguments against that but like, but that was pretty clear in the pool So when a time someone say, ok, actually affecting diamond on wages, quite popular or a cent sent marginal tax rate is fairly popular and people should look at that and not kind of have a narrative in their had that overrides that, by the same token, the Amazon deal, pull really well in New York and especially well by the way in queens, and so you have to look at that do so we're going to write this could use a good use upon. Son is interesting.

Good use. I knowing what we had. I not we're gonna make ourselves, seem really nice and then we're gonna get into our media report card segment and see what happens and actually, let's get into that right now. So there are in the range of fifteen Democrats now running for president and therefore we can begin to see how journalists are approaching twenty twenty coverage and, as many of you probably know, there was plenty of criticism about how the media covered the last presidential election, both the primary and the general we ve criticized ourselves. We have criticised others plenty and as much as it may be fun to be snarking. Sometimes we talk about this stuff because we think that it matters it affects how voters view the candidates there, democracy institutions, like the media, more broadly so going to spend some time on this topic here tonight and let's begin where

if China, the basics whose getting attention so mica, how our media prioritizing coverage among the twenty twenty candidates so far, yet its largely by whose pulling while also died in an Sanders sort of get the most automatic cover edge and then at sight after that? I think it's it's largely who the media itself is more interested in and too far that's been better and calmly Harris. You know like war, and I think when she announced Scott, a fair amount of coverage, she's fairly high profile that came pretty early in the year, but we know we looked at the state in its like super by four kid at sight. Better sanders. There are ass, the other there are no genders and better. If you look at the data. Yes, it made me put them on their own better and an Sanders, get a tonic coverage and then it's like by

Harris Clovis are vital. We didn't count bindings, isn't announced yeah. This is cable news coverage. If you tweet this out as I learn today, here is this as a proxy for around media coverage. People like it very mad at you, they're like well, we put your times rushed in Palestine. This way they probably but it's the same petroleum Monday morning we ve looked at the daily, but I'm not. I I I think we have some ABC news. Boston here, I'll say I do not watch tv as often as I can assume digital imprint content. For me, my news rights me like, I am interested in what, in your times we more than what scene and is doing, for example, but I do think probably like you would have more nuanced and subtle coverage by it. Sidney like there's, been a lot of a lot of Biden, bade Bernie coverage, a fair amount of Harris Warren coverage. Unlike Booker such are the next year and then, after that you know, jeweller brand is one where you don't hear a lot about her and when you do it, then to be

negative story, that's interesting! One to me: baby I have no idea how you're supposed to our proportion coverage right cause. You get these edged cases where so Wayne message is the mare of mere MAR Florida who, last week launch an exploratory commit to pursue potentially a bid for president. It's a town of a hunter forty thousand people, so its larger than sounded density small. A small city part of so weird. I don't know what you know but like for like a star, more with, but I, like Lord, I take that back oh he's, gotta interesting there right. He was the first black mayor of the city and liking from imminent. Whatever else right and so should he be covered by how do you like which to hand verses, Bernie Sanders. Who was second time, who is a national figure? Who is at twenty five percent, the Poles and nine point one percent and who has a problem

but our chance of winning. I mean I mean I don't know. Rights like not like people should propose like it method by which covered should be allocated, and let me just say for listeners at home, we have behind us graph, showing the amount of coverage that bad sanders. Corey Bucker Cobbler Harris Kyrgyzstan a brand and Elizabeth Warren all got, and you can see that better and centres are off. The charts. Harris is the only woman candidate who kind of comes anywhere cod. Don't you see almost no coverage for gel brand and significantly less coverage even for war and compared with better we're Sanders Swimming do we see some kind of justifiable logic for what's going on on the charts behind us? Well, no justifiable, but I think the obvious elephant in the room here is better works, a treaty obviously seems to be an outlier in the way we talk about a month. Leaving the way we prefer to I'm right. The convention

journalists is typically to refer to Canada by their last name might, but ever calls him better. So there's a lot The other two sanders has been a figure who is who is a pretty dynamic party, changing in some ways can it and twenty sixteen? So I think that amount of coverage is do when Biden gets into the race. He was a vice president. He's run for president allotted for a lot of time. His coverage will probably be do, but it also has a charm. I say right now, but in some ways I think that the deal Rourke media coverage is what people are talking about when they talk about amplification of a candidate and it started in the summer. When he caught fire in this in the Senate race, and so it caught fire again when you run for president war and is actually, interestingly, I think her talk about hers, pretty anemic, actually for the kind of figure that she's been an american politics. The last decade, so, even though she's doing decently well, she's a little surprised that she hasn't gotten more play and I

in part that has to do with her bumpy roll out in the beginning. But her she's been a little anemic and Jill brand. Maybe it shouldn't have surprised me, given her sort of the african mark that people her within the Democratic Party, but she's, also bit surprised me with how anemic her coverage has been yogi warns cover just sort of to your point, like the mirror opposite of better coverage where it is really light on. Specifics doesn't have a much to him

the may get a ton of carved coverage. Warren has already released, like fifteen super detailed policy proposals even before she got to the Senate. She was sort of affecting policy and we looked at like what words were most associated with each candidate and two of warrants top words so she's not getting that much coverage and the covered she does get you see native American, like just pop out of the cover tee, is getting which is like look whatever you think of that controversy in particular. The idea that that should pop out among everything, she's doing is, is sort of crazy, so yea like, I think, there's right that ok

Bernie gets a lot of coverage. You can justify that you now Biden gets a lot of coverage. Will he won t you can justify that your work, stuff sort of sticks out and in the other way, I think the worn stuff sticks out you I disagree. Disagree sacking is partly half devils advocate happy real, so better get alot of coverage. I think you prizes get like a little too much coverage. I don't like your boy was tinged again in print and digital fairly. Cynically unfairly negatively and hold on Monday morning. He discovers that he raised whatever was six point, one million dollars which is a lot more than Elizabeth Warren. Or or Booker or whoever else raised and he also was a huge national figure last year. You know meanwhile, has been somewhat flat at around five or seven percent.

In the polls better seem to instantly jump up to ten or eleven percent, and so I think one could argue that like policy is great but like we went by a high risk of like How many words about positive rife and Andrew Yang would win Andrew Yang see now penetrating the mainstream discourse any lot being to be clear influencers but like, but here it has a position. For example, we learned yesterday on male circumcision. You know it's a little you my Lord, to which information for me about like how many policies can it should have, and so and so I don't know like I don't know like you know, when you hear a stick is that you should apportion coverage in proportion to what chance gonNA has of winning right when he received is make it all equal. You know, and one could be like. Ok, let's go, you were in proportion like the candidates, credentials and kind of how substantive they are, which seems the most wishy washy in some

like subjective is fine, I mean sometimes a subjective. Doing it by feel is better than a both objective definition. We do what's your argument that it was this The argument is that the argument is that the funding a bit I was over hive would have sounded better if he had raised one point: six million are not six point, one million so that rapid goes, but its technical. It goes back to. Why did he get the initial coverage during the Senate race that propelled him to the presidency, I'm ways and wise men, like all that money, the media coverage. I know that you gonna take over First, because for small and medium and he's been a national figure Felix sentiments, I mean truly as a person in the news he has not been in here for that long and his amplification. The country has a lot to do with media. So I think that's what people think about it when they talk about the wise, aortic Elvis coverage. I may, I think, she's mortality by him. Frankly, to be honest, but like she

becomes a symbol of the moment. Sure I think you're right like he currently, I think he's getting deserve detention for the amount of money he's raised. But I think again going back to how did he get a national platform to raise all the money people will point back to, and I think some little go into a little bit of gender dynamics of campaign. That women are generally overqualified when they run for office right. They ve had more career experience. Some unlike Elizabeth Warren, for instance, who was a bankruptcy experts, came into Washington during two thousand eight. As a person tied up in the sort of nitty gritty of tarp, and then you have a Rourke who has a viral speech about a pretty important topic in american life? Yes, but that skyrockets him to National fain. So I think it goes back for people to the but he of how we think about candidates- and we have to be, I think, honest with ourselves about why we view certain people certain ways, and I think it was Peter Binary who wrote-

a really good piece about Warren? I don't know how long ago, rather time that she announced for export, are running right where he said we have to think about not just the negatives, the number of negative stories around Warren, but what the sort of inherent structural biases are against a woman running for president. So it's it's like it's a layers on layers, thing, yeah, the twenty twenty democratic primary field. It's got a lot of white men in it by its also more diverse than any primary field we ve ever had as a country before

we're going to be able to see what it's like to run as many different kinds of candidates and we're gonna get to see how the press covers all those different kinds of candidates. So far at this point, do we feel, like we ve, noticed particular biases in the press with regard to how they cover the different Canada mean we talk a little bit about the difference between Warren and better. Do we think this is ultimately an issue of war and being a woman and better being a man? Do we think that there are other racial dynamics at play in terms of who gets covered? Have we noticed that the press is exhibiting biases that we should be on the lookout, for we should measure this? It's probably measurable,

it feels like the press tries little bit harder for negative angles into female candidates are not, as has been measured. I've data in front of me go gimme that ain't it didn't out. Well. So if we look at two thousand sixteen, for example, I think people are usually surprised to find this out that, over the course of the entire campaign, Hillary Clinton actually received more negative press coverage than Donald Trump, and this is our study that was done by Harvard shoring Steen Centre, which is kind of hu we always look to you for

media analysis? I mean we also our colleague, Meredith Conroy, who is an academic who books into how the media covers. Women candidates basically provided us with a whole bunch of research, which will hopefully be publishing on our sight soon, which, as of the twelve women who have run for president in the past, we can quantitatively show that they get more negative coverage. Another issue is also that we can show that generally, when women run for office there more qualified and what is happening as a result is that they have longer records these deeper backgrounds. That can be mind for negative things. Right, like Cobbler Harris had to be a prosecutor in order to be criticised for being a prosecutor, and so yeah we we are able to make This thing- and I think we do know in general that they exist- I mean I I do think like Gila Brand- is an interesting case when the problem with like going to one by one basis, like you did, say: ok, Elizabeth WAR and there's lots of negative comments about the dna tests. Aims of native american ancestry, and you can bring

up and have assumed like overkill to me- and I have said that on twitter people say well actually pretty serious and indigenous groups which are part of the protocol should be it was handled really poorly and like, at the very least, the optics, whether that means were poor right or club char. It's like well staffers shouldn't, be tolerant, sorry to four men, but it shouldn't be in the first place, and so you know jailer brand the kind of charges Her scheme, Damn I mean alignment good ones, are the most recent ones with her first dwellers normally frank in one, mostly right like that. Somehow, like reverberates around, where kind of she gets in by a lot of Democrats. For our frank in his power, where she gets this kind of reputation, reputations being like a flip proper way. The ambitious that term can be very gendered, sometimes, and, like all right, I can't quite figure out why, like her pulling into

just so kind of a new mega when it does occur so so negative. I think all of this the stories about the sort of major stories about the women candidates, closure and the abuse of our staff, children and the frank and stuff in her own staff, sexual harassment, things Harris with you know the prosecutors stuff. Those are all valid stories and a presidential campaign we should cover them. I think the sort of harder part is how much there just like your signet, how much there amplified what the little things and stories are that happen? What the chatter that happens when you're out a bar something- and I think all that has to do with the fact that in general people, when they're, looking at a woman in public life, a professional woman there's more of it and authors interviewer professional women interviewed, and they say how do you do it all? I carry about your work and your kids and the you know in the past couple years the comeback line has been

interviewed and they say how do you do it all a county about your work and your kids and the you know in the past couple years the comeback line has been what interest male authors that like how they do it, and I think that there is to some degree that going on on the public life level of running for president, which is we what's your personality like this is interesting. When she's doing some Most women don't do or have an historically done. So I mention the kind of personality she is and it leads to these different. I think a different reality when you talk about women candidates, because I think we all live in the real world. It's not it's not something that particularly historic in an area like we. This is a new thing for women to run for president, in this way, with the sort of ease of saying like me to go into this, and do it not ease, but you know like there's gonna now, it's not like this crazy story now and I think we're just grappling with a phenomenon that we see in everyday life of like how do they do it and what's up like what's up with them, that makes them do it because with man, it's like you kind of understand that their

public support system? I don't have any kids, you single ladies part of that we're not we're not now not if you're, under Yang the data or why I'll have the debate I don't know that one's going to be caught later. That's the cold, open right, then follow that now what I conflict look, I think when you could say that decisions are like they're, not exactly kind of. Maybe smoke filled rooms anymore and they're. Not some

conspiracy they're all kind of people, a kind of acting in consensus in real time. So the fact that you have biases in the consensus of like journalists who are making these two Jones, the ranks of adders and publishers and writers, reporters or whatever else right biases are toward under impatient of women, a newsrooms interpretation of minorities under representation of people in the middle of the country such over it. It now. I guess like that. Certainly relevant again. Might my overall comment if you're running for president journalist sickly, we should be rigorous, now reporting their girths yourselves

You are part of the issue here. I think you're getting at this clear as Ike. What really matters here is everything an aggregate I, as an editor, received an approved more pitches on better announcement, then on anybody else's announcement. Not because I was like ok, we have to have tons of better coverage or that any particular writer or member of our interactive him or whoever was like. Ok, we have a lot of better coverage. It just gonna happen to the point where I could be like. Ok, let's now can attempt us down a bit, so that's happening like within you

rooms and then across newsrooms, and then you end up with this thing, we're all of a sudden. You know we spent all of twenty sixteen talking about Clinton's email, even though nobody was like Hell. Let's spend all twenty sixteen talk about Clinton's email, it just it just happens and which makes it really hard to change yet, and I just think one small thing is an example of what were you know? Maybe you go back to the Peter binary thing like: let's be conscious of coverage inherent biases, so I do think the elect ability thing is gonna, be huge component credit primary and often that's a euphemism, for Democrats want to elect a white man like every other time, and so people should have to like. I think that that that is illegal

the discussion to say like we'll wait how to powder voters actually feel about voting for a woman voting for black whatever it is right, but then you I'll have to think about, like ok, will order this, like what's the flip side of that like who are the people that their supporting- and maybe there is this, this biased towards, as we said before, in every election ever towards negative coverage, what's their problem, what's their hurdle, because you kind of feel like a little bit of a worse if you write like the raw rob like these are their supporters stories, but it's also an informative exercise its. Why go back to the voters it's like. If you look at their favourable ratings warrant, doesn't have good favourable ratings, it's like not

It's not you know some made up thing, but what do those favourable ratings mean right? Does it mean that there's something wrong with Warren, or is it like? Ok, worn as a woman running, has certain characteristics that sexist voters don't like that? That question usually isn't exporting coverage is just like war and has bad favourable ratings. I think part of binary part was like it should at least raised questions like what. Why is this? We shall simply with Clinton, etc. So I want to make sure that we have plenty of time for our twenty slash twenty draft, but I do want to share a couple more charts as we wrap up, and maybe we can come to some kind of assessment. Maybe we'll ask you to ask give the media a letter great so far, but we should give our, The great terrifying reject irrational generator. So what

slideshow behind us right now basically shows that the media has a biased towards negative coverage. That's been increasing over time. You know in the sixties, press coverage of the election was more positive than negative. Most recently press coverage was Seventy one percent negative right. I mean that's something to consider and then also how much of the cover just horse race, verses everything else, and, as you can see, the pie chart behind US horse raise in two thousand. Sixteen was forty two percent of the coverage of the plurality of the, bridge at a low policy. Give you ten percent. So I know I know you have opinions on this, but are we doing it right? Are we being too

are we focusing too much on the horse race? Do we need to call scrapped for twenty twenty candidate? A point about the the positive negative covered? I mean the american press used to cover up that the president had a serious illness used to like there. There are things at the american press used to do out of sort of polite society kind of things. Especially in Washington Journalism, everyone kind of like drank together in socialized together, and there was a lot of polite coverage. So I think in some ways it's gotten tougher provisions Watergate that, and so that makes a little bit of sense to me that there's been an uptake sort of total bad thing right that the press is all the more sceptical elect. I think our view. You know we don't have any problem with horse. Coverage. I do think there are times when good horse risk coverage would involve having less because there's not that much to say right. There is not. Much to say right now about, like organ, have a draft solar. Undermine that hope, useless right have regrets, but like not that much

pages from day to day a new policy in Iowa in March, did not materially reshape your view on the democratic raise it might at the margin over the course of a few pole. They obviously have carried the abuse or announces. Then it becomes a bit more interesting. But, like you know the horses, it is basically like. Hey, we don't what's gonna happen right. Probably carrots you're up in the polls have a somewhat higher chance. People contrasts every week on Mondays, just to hear him say: hey, we don't know it Happy with what others have said. It would be like if you know when we were late in two thousand eighteen, we're like all these increasing Senate and the house maternal raises right, we got annoyed if there was like frank like not more horse, whereas coverage you know. Look. I do think that good horse risk coverage is in the public interest that, if you ask voters do you care about.

Who will be Trump Democrats say we do care about that a lot depending on the way. The question is phrased. They may or may not care about that more than orthodoxy on the policy positions. You know, I hope we don't get to the point where Canada has to have a thirty point, pdf about their plan on male circumcision or something like that, but I think a Canada should against it by using only mention that ok bye people who like criticise what the media is doing, should propose some alternatives. Right, to me, it seems like there is quite a bit of policy coverage and think about policy. Is that we talk about how the horse races that change Today, the day you know, Elizabeth warrants Tax planned,

change at all from day to day, and so one thing about news you looking at not just like the the stock, but also the flow and how things are shifting from day to day, and it seemed like the coverage is actually quite quite wonky. In a lot of ways, there is a lot of detailed discussion about policy, whatever else, and so so I don't know you know, maybe it's just kind, thus coverage of politics and more of the NBA arson. I don't know, maybe go with me that this is verged intelligent, toil meeting theirs. Edit your horse risk coverage that where it's like one, not divorced from policy totally, but also like not totally about the workers. I mean ok,

right now Sanders and by dinner leading the poles will. Why is that we know? Is it certain policies that the two support is more about some ephemeral persona image they have? Is an ideological oversees issues versus by like you can do all that, I think on a national level and state by state- and it's like- gets around the issue of just sort of like cover in politics as if it was the NBA. So in our view, it sort of like ok, do horse racing coverage, but dont do a lot of it so, like whatever you know, get that down to like ten percent or something just do it much better with. Obviously we think better. It's like our way to do it. It does raise the question which I think they got. I was like. Ok, what what does campaign coverage look like does. Does a lot of the non horse risk coverage is like about character, and these are really never

This sort of controversies that I dont think is very good, are useful. So then its are. We are we just like covering policies and white papers and voters don't care about that stuff. So I who are we doing it for we doing it just like, so we feel good or bad about ourselves as journalists and we're like. Well, I'm not one of those horse race. Reporters you know, cover. I cover the big issues. It's about power. Sorry, they adds one horse races, layer, forgeries that is engrossing soulless is about covering power, politics, smartly, and what its reflecting people's views and trying to extrapolate. Why people feel that way? Or so we are going to move on to our democratic primary draft and before we do that, though, we were going to ask you to lay down markers at this point in the campaign. What letter great would you give the media at this point in its over and ourselves and ourselves now? This is gonna end up, looking really back to stimulate the media us

All that does not back so you now. If he doesn't us a narrow, like, I think we ve done a good job about This is not analysis. They'll kill us. I this girl source letter saying go, give us a place in the media, a b plus be minus, ok, you're much better than the make clear. What effect I give the media see. I guess I'd give us like be you're a girl. I think we had a lot of better coverage that wasn't. That was a cop. I know an enemy. Did you write any better pieces? I wrote the theory, the case outvoted working on one more right now I see this as a lever to become less about better more about that feel both worthy of red mica yeah. I'm closer Clarence. I think it's like see. Mine

media the thing is, we have a much easier job than the media large. It's it's much easier to cover the horse race than it is to cover the whole campaign, so so out. We're gray ourselves on a curve. Europe a reality like b plus a minus a all right, let's move on and before we get to that primary draft, let me tell you that today's podcast is brought to you by we work. We work was born nine years ago here in new city with a single location on the corner of Lop ear and grand just a few blocks away from here. They now have over fifty workspaces to choose from across three boroughs and are growing all the time and for New Yorkers here They ve got exciting new and Y see locations opening up this year, including one Gotham Centre, Queens Plaza and doc. Seventy to Brooklyn Navy yard. We works flexible agreements starting from month to month,

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fun part of the evening hour, twenty twenty democratic primary draft they were like. We had to sit through that other stuff together get we want an auction instead of a draft, but now I wanted to do. I want to argue the way this works as we are drafting the candidates who we think we'll have the best shot of winning the democratic primary we're, not dropped and candidates. We think will win the presidency just to be clear, we'll go in order from Meta NATO from NATO from nature may Whitney Houston. Turn chief down we all had to down. Yet there are too many units we all like our own nuts, nay, you start Tad so, we'll, take Zion, Williamson, powerful how long you been waiting, I would take Camilla Harris

I'm going to check. I don't think it's obvious. If anyone pic is by no means just kind of, I would actually have preferred ruined snake too before five. I think, but look if you look at the kind of overall multi faceted set of things that we would look It seems like she has a very broad potential coalition that involve All voters who are pretty liberal voters were less liberal is multi ethnic. She is a woman which actually helped a lot in two thousand eighteen Her favourable ratings are pretty good, even though she is not the first choice of many voters her press coverage is, I think, been both higher in volume and more friendly. Then like a husband for what, when, for example, she has a fair number of endorsement, so quite a few of them are from California, but stopping he's tied for first in our endorsement tracker, Oh, you know solid all around I'm kind of that anyone is more like a twenty two interruption.

And say probably wrong, but I think if I'm like Huta how the fewest negatives, the fewest reasons. Why? Unlike can they really when I think she qualifies, she does kind of stand out, so I mean Harris's clearly adopt here candidate. You don't look like in the media chart where the really interesting ones is Harris, because she doesn't have a huge spike at first and then kind of earns it and has a larger spike. I think she had a rally which cover the good turn out. But what do you make So how is like jumped up in the polls when she announced, but then recently has like kind of crept down a little bit hasn't shaved. What do you make of that? I think she's been hurt by burning it. Thinkers. Bernie added, you know, look Bernie. I d like five or six points by announcing embed, elaborate added like two or three, and so those kind of eight point have to come from somewhere and they seem to come from from her more than other people, but like coming, She has a long way to go, but she's gonna have the resources to do it and she can survive rough periods.

Can't see like any scenario where, where she blows up, you know what I mean I can imagine a scenario where, like we're like Baino, says something DOM and recycle falls off a copy counter, whatever right like and like the kind of our model I don't think I can imagine case. Swear Biden like totally flops like I don't think you're bubble is gonna burst. She very well might want to being a marker. Rubio ask candidate, like you, never quite clicks right. She hasn't thirteen percent and everybody gets about thirteen percent. I think she's gonna like have a fairly clear path toward the semi finals clerk. Who can take it away? I think there are groups mine in force in their like, therefore obvious their obvious tears to these candidates during a bumper torn between two ok,

I'm gonna go to work and under the sea off somebody just now. I will not respond you so I'm gonna go from top to your pic with the idea that, democratic voters have expressed our our have expired have expressed the desire that their candidate be competitive in the general election. I do think that that's a euphemism for a white man and so of the top ten there three choices my mind of white men, Orourke Standards and Biden, having sanders is ultimately to divisive two people. I think Biden actually have

a lot of potential to fall flat among people on the left, loud voices activists and I think Orourke has the potential, particularly in the earliest. Let early states politically Iowa, where Barack Obama basically made his campaign in that oh seven, we time period. I think that people will be nostalgic for that and I think they'll say listen. A work is young blindness to old centres is too old or work is a moderate he can win. He can raise money things a pretty safe, but are not argue with the thing about it. We can tower. Audience thanks by how they respond to the kind of I think Harris got a better response than better work. So far, is that isn't right audience like up? There's like ready a better backlash. I think this like, but used to think I think this

the answer is twitter and twitter is not serious. I'm serious. I think that I think that better actually play is probably pretty well on the computer. Clear meant that in a negative way. Third, there So you guys are passed over. The two people leading in democratic primary pause we ve made that missing a year. We made that mistake before too many Select Biden, former Vice President Biden very near the rule of law, is where does it home needed for our closest? That's pretty underwhelming proof that this room is twitter. I do think so. Bite in is leading in early primary pulse he's not even Ratio, that's a good sign

others like the best favourable ratings of all the candidates. That's a good sign! You know these more well known point taken. I do think that the four Biden has pretty binary in the sense of like either he's gonna, be one of the two or three final less and get a real big chunk of the democratic vote or like totally flop out and the chance to study, flops her or realize he's done it twice, but still that he wasn't taken one or two. A sort of ridiculous and bad picks saw taken three Maggie you there person who would, unlike in Kentucky Derby pool you'd like pick the favourite you know and that's no fun you gotta die on that. I prefer. I think I do think that the big I'm shooting

Agnes, a bigger gamble than you might think, because I do think that his. I think that the democratic primary base is very has changed a lot in the last couple of years. Part of that is, I think, a scarring loss. Part of that is just some high profile kinda to one and brought new conversation, Gillette Mainstream and either. I think you are right. The Bible is a binary in some ways, either her work or he won't, but I do think that once he gets into the campaign in their actual

average of him it might be you're trying to get to the like look, which also scenario where this turns out to be really boring, and that binds barrels through with thirty two percent and then the fact is that their people, unless dislike outlet like it's, not that large, a group and as numbers, can tromp a relatively decent. So you select ability thing going I mean you know. So if it has had a mess and you're being a winner takes all, then that's an argument for what MIKE I did just get like I'm going to second, but you know the laughter. The democratic party eats up a lot of oxygen and rightfully so, and most ways like that's where the party is moving at where a lot of the energy is, but I think people still don't appreciate how much of the party is still relatively moderate for the Democratic Party. So, like left of centre, you know like

third of democratic primary voters are white voters without a college degree which, according to possess disproportionately in abiding camp black boaters overall, are relatively moderate compared to the rest of the Democratic Party and biting does does well with black letters. Impulsive far lock a change, but it's like you know. I think people's mental models of the Democratic Party is like Sanders AIR Sea and it really needs to be like bide in Corey Booker. One part Sanders something that are so. I guess you get too. I have an obvious peck

for my first bank and that will be Bernie Sanders. How out every girl, who is in our second in the polls at the moment, and I would say, I'm picking Bernie Sanders, not because you are wrong about the majority of the party being left of centre or relatively moderate. I think you're absolutely right and I think all three of the people that yeah just pact can fight over all of those people and Bernie Sanders path to winning. The nomination is just keeping the kind of cold like support that he has from twenty. Sixteen we give you would you picked if you'd gone first than ever First, I would now that's too hard. I gotta stay. I gotta stay. Thirteen again I gotta stay focused, so you can divide up the rest of the field with Biden, Harris Battle and Bernie Sandal centres, kind of glass,

its sandals, bring out in those memories are also mother. I could say about like apartments kind of guy, oh yeah, there's a degree Ernie Amber importance. I got so yeah Bernie Sanders has a trumpet like path to winning the nomination, which is that, like thirty three percent of the country loves him shows up at all. Rallies all turn our primary day and vote for Bernie Sanders and he wins the nomination God by that ought to be abide like that's a real, a real possibility. I buy that argument either a possibility However, both parties handle sounds like some like some, like producer who, as like too much cult, get his party using anyway busy I go to and resorts, because that's what you're on a convention that I like that, I don't know just image a my head bitter one. Around five for eight years. Really, if you had

the primary rules where its winner takes all after certain point, then I think Sanders I being the conversation, do very number one Overall Iowa New Hampshire, which is a you're, not terrible, but like not great. No, I think you got good values when I'm sorry look I but like, but like the fact that, like I can easily see him holding on to that twenty or twenty five percent, or a twenty percent or thirty percent of anybody has now. I think you'll probably do very well in both Iowa in New Hampshire, which is a nice centre attributes to have as a candidate, I'm not sure how he gets beyond that meaning I don't mean that, like oh, I think he can't get beyond and I'm sure I'd say like that's a big challenge but yeah well, so the next person in line when you look at the polling, I guess it was about warrant, but because I'm gonna make the argument that Bernie Sanders has this support. That will eat up all of the left and help propeller him to the nomination. I'm going to skip over Elizabeth

I think I'm going to pick Corey Booker. I want you to deplore. Maybe that was the reason I'll pick, Corey Booker, as my second choice. The overall fifth choice on board is because what I think he's not at the front of people's minds right now, so as the campaign, whereas on and the three people that you all packed the campaign turns into like a slug fast and there's a lot of negative campaigning, nobody's gonna kind except back in his nerve New Jersey, positivity he's gonna keepers, framer ability, ratings relatively high, who is associate positively with New Jersey, good, all New Jersey documentary and yet, and I think, you're gonna big bump from his wedding, resilient arson, yeah exact way. But really, I think another legitimate reason is the part of why you picked bite.

Because I think you remind the lot of people of all bomber Ababa is still extraordinarily popular in the Democratic Party, and you know like, let's be real, I think when people see Corey Booker and see how kind of retail politics and the fact that he's an african american men who talks about positivity and hope and being able to like change the country through those kinds of quality. As we know, the Democrats like too that we know that they still like it that they still identify. Whether so, that's why pick horrible easy salad. Second year picnicking. I think that's real link here, but I think that he does just the obvious into now is that he and Harris had been competing a little bit for endorsement from african american lawmakers. Others and he's, I think, needs points is probably right, but she's a bit stronger the full coalition, and so he he struggles of bids on that level. I think going out a year from now far enough, we gotta pick up our motoring through are secondary care of my guardian asked

a paste, I'm pick Elizabeth Warren, more paused and the book pick I'll know better favourable stance. Occur. Real solid on policy is sort of right where I think you wanna be policy wise in terms of democratic party. To be clear, she has really good favourable among Democrats. Her fair rules over all which I mentioned earlier, are not great But you know, if, like Democrats want a really solid progressive who represents the party warrants a pretty good tech. I think there will be at some point. Just like there's been like a better backlash backlash. Adding at some point, the like media, counter intuitive counter take will come around to warrant benefit so yeah. So that's worth my second class Europe.

Ok, I'm gonna take any club a sharp. As my pick the second round, I kind of others would be. I get a new car wash our crowd why father the coroner, a car that club unfortunate where you gonna pick yeah, you love her. I think she's a good value candidate. Again, I'm betting on the Democratic Party going with a cortical, safer back, She is a woman. She is a white woman. She is a moderate from the MID West, which the Democrats famously the upper Midwest. No US which Democrats didn't do particularly well with in twenty. Sixteen, I think, is a lot of people. Remember, I think the salad throwing or whatever thing will those are mixed up with a binary

going I'm salad eating where the com, I think I think those things will continue to exist throughout the campaign. It'll be a problem for her, but it might be something that mean they ve already sort of tried to spin it to her advantage a little bit too. You know she's she's a mom, so she was being ingenious, thriftily. Fifty were eating with the come anyway. I think the cheese foremans in in Minnesota in the last election was very good, particularly with white voters. I believe I think Nathaniel Rakish pointed out that she does have a weakness among minority voters, which is, say a big coalition, the Democratic Party, both enclosures a pretty good choice but how to set up see. I was worried about getting the nine drama here because you are like after these. Then you run out of candidates who are getting continuous, meaning only really

we're gonna go with my with Canada, to, I think, have the most talent, because at some point, what we're talking declare about who you're gonna pick. We know who you're going to take if anyone has any five, eight and ninety eight and both are inimical when it I'm gonna get outta here, I will take ok, we really, while hoping English Department really do not tonight shouted opinions, weak study group, we're glad you guys are made it tonight what's going on because he is he offers, to be frank, like he like some of like better offers. What summing up the optimistic right, from the middle part of the country, but with frankly more substance

and see how much and you're, only a maid are we being like com, but anyway, you here again like or beyond the top survive, because a pretty clear cut off after seven get right, but like you hear someone who you hear people talking about as like someone who all they kind of like me. I think anyone else does well its march and there's plenty of time for Canada like that to have their opportunity on the debate stage. I agree, he's someone you, I think you do the right thing in running, even though I dont think he ll win, because I think he's either a really viable vice presidential candidate or he's just propelling himself to bigger state office. Whatever I thank you. By the by the way, he's been doing two thousand and sixteen the started twenty. Sixteen, when you

the fur Dnc chair he had some pretty. You know well known professionals running his campaign, like people to judge is an incredibly smart person. I'd probably put em is like one of the top two smartest people running for president right now. If we're gonna Rank rang by IQ, let's not using the top five, but I think he's someone use whose I've seen credit counted, he's obviously very career focused I mean this person has like he's he's made. How does he thirty seven? It's like thirty, seven yeah is eastern quite a bit quaint intentionally in a very short time. So he someone who I think is doing the right thing and running for president right now at a young age, we pick number nine. I will take someone who I think may not run, but if she did would be, and of all which is Stacy. Abrams nine well, but it's like I M,

hugely optimistic about this kind of third tier of Canada. You all have to pick from ethics of em are on the verge of may be having flopped or I don't know right but like she is someone who look Baino got a big, huge mountain interests during the mid term and granted, because there is stuff about like race and gender and coverage like havoc backroom, a kind of aid from the scene and came back out and was a big story again. You know, I do think Stacy Abrams would would be a big deal Her coalition is very intriguing. It is like a little bit of a YO see coalition. Where you get younger voters, you get african Americans, you get the left. I just think she's kind of really well situated for kind of what the Democratic Party is now and I think she's very talented. We gotta we gotta mode. Long ago. We were going to u get like two sentences. Your. I can do that around pack. My third round pickers Kirsten Jellyband B

as you still you senator, maybe she'll see a come back with her constituency, which is basically women, potentially rural voters, cyclic enough but if we can correct Argo J uneasily governor of Washington I am nonetheless out their yeah has a clear issue is, for a reason that could catch on, probably want them the next name. I'm going to say is because I really just want to know whether or not we're being punk, sir. I just want to hear what the crowd respond. We're going to with Marian Williamson very lives. Now we're not being. Looks like we're not leaving the path

Second one. My second one is going to be who I'm Castra, which really obviously should have come before Marian going but you can make obvious arguments about like the demographic that he can appeal. Do witches hispanic voters. You know that's obviously true for a party that wants to try to increase turn. Hispanic voters, but also you know we know them to be as how much. How much is retail politician? We don't think he's going to win, but let's just move on, I kind of want to do a pictures to block layer. Look any yeah, I'm gonna go hacking loop, her I, like beer, senator

yeah. It's like you know at this level. Ok, that's! U way was actually gonna pick. Ok, I'll! Go with you you wrote a book about mindfulness, so he's trying to play into a little bit of the I guess: millennial, urban demographic and the parties base. Ryan is trying to be what shared Brown would have been in this race, which is he's a visa from Ohio he's a trick. Ross belts. Democrat who wrote a book about mindfulness, so he's trying to play into a little bit of the I guess: millennial urban demographic and the parties base he's also probably running to get more national attention. To run for something else, but that's my pick. You only have one pact. There is only one way to close this out with Andrew Yang. I mean he and more people are the two candidates kind of

murder, vitally from the internet, We're not getting like nobody replaced when I remember tat in TAT all, unlike all the sudden like he is getting like more such traffic, unlike Corey Booker, he has raised, I think more money, then jeweller brand I don't know quite how he goes from like the very enthusiastic support of a corner of the internet. To winning their programming by now. Sure how John? How can we from oh point three percent in the polls to wade impregnable nation either and so We just in the spirit of like of like talk about, like kind of who the hell knows. What's going to happen and like I guess I do have like a lot of people here who are who are not traditionally well credentials legacy, I'm gonna, making an argument that, like Democrats, might not want a trump who was a big, celebrity Canada like a thought, the Mark Cuban Michael Avenant, he picks never made sense, but like that

I thought maybe someone from a background that doesn't involve liked or politics and by the way, a lot it impacts who did well in the mid terms and twenty eight in knots, much for the Senate, but four race for the house, where people are paid as just an interesting person who decide to run for the house and his actual a normal person that, like that one, how seat or something so I'm team. I'm on team are too long, runs ended up, poor came out today. It was either today or yesterday and asked democratic voters like what they want in a candidate and one is like the top. Most popular characteristics was like decades of political experience, literally decades political judgment, which would seem to rule out Andrew Yang, our I well now the audience gets to vote overall,

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