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hello and brought them to the five thirty politics by cast iron do and root. It feels like a year since we sat down last Monday to record our final pre election thoughts. So thanks to everyone who has followed us throughout the past week, Definitely along one as of Saturday as listeners likely know, Joe Biden and Common Harris are the president and vice President elect while the presidential race is decided. There is still a few states that have not been projected along with various Senate and House reasons. So today, we're gonna check in on those outstanding graces roles are gonna. Take a look at how the parties are reacting to the results. of the election resident trump, and many Republicans in Washington have not acknowledged, frightens victory dammit, I have very much acknowledge the results, including a debate about what went wrong in down ballot races that did not live up to expectations. Lastly, Pfizer announced today that extreme

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It's like I wanted to shut all in and not have sweat anything now. It's like an election we're because its consequential for the country, obviously that's the first and most important thing. It's also consequential for our line of work. You know for being honest and it just a lot of work. It just a lot of stress. And you cannot shirk away the last moment because people are also relying on your coverage to kind of steer them through, especially in this era of blue shifts and red shifts. stir them through this kind of very confusing data Attica New, normal, it's gonna to take off and several days to resolved. So it's pretty good that it's over. We still a lot of to do this a lot of news, but there everyone else, thoughts, feelings, recovery plans spend our time outside this weekend. beautiful areas. There is really no you, I really nice in your very. How are things in local. I mean it

say that I'm not resting alike, as is a big story happening now about how violence that of the government, and so I will come back to their, but I'm not really resting. I'm sort of reading aloud and tracking allowed at this point, still yes being responsible. So let's begin now with on called races, because, while the top of the ticket may be resolved down bout raises have not necessarily been result, and even some states have not been resolved as far as the top of the ticket as concerns. So our colleagues at BBC News have yet to project the winner of the press. natural race in Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina and Alaska name. When should we expect to know the results from those states so we'll case by case here, George, it Joe Biden, gonna, win Georgia unless there's something very surprising, Georgia's Gonna do a recount start automatic, but

They asked for completely reasonable recounts, usually don't turn around no ten or eleven thousand vote margins. Like Biden has now said whether partner is meant or semantics and did you because for reasons sometimes tabulation airs turn out, but usually not tabulation, heirs of that magnitude? Arizona, I think, is the most Certain remaining state Arizona, transparency relative to other states, has not been fantastic sea of different types of ballot. You have some so called late early bow travails ever returned by mail, but came in Monday two years later to be counted, you have boats are dropped off at the election site originates by male, your balance that were provisional ballots, you, a balance that are like large print or brain ballots were people that are short of sight, so you have all types of miscellaneous chunks of ballot, secular kind of which is in which category some of those groups have been relatively good for Trump. The late early balance, so called some had been more neutral. I think it does not.

Fear that there are enough balanced, left other types interviewed for trim for him to have a good chance. He might have an outside chance again. These count the ballots are kind of fuzzy. Sometimes not every provisional ballot will actually be counted. Underhand, sometimes seats discover I don't use it in a serious way at all, as we like There are other doubt had not included in previous counts right. Some say to say where we have a hundred times relative to count that provisional, some say two dozen, sometimes I estate sites. A number of it's already been counted right there, just some states, not Arizona, but some states. Balance, can arrive legally after it Sunday as a postmark by election day before right so it's a little ambiguous, sometimes how many battles there are, but I think the neighbors came in although weekend in Arizona, we're not quite as good as Trump need. You now running out a ballot side say by those likely to win their, but not certain with your line of member state where you have balloted can come in after deadline and they haven't. I think for one

the reason: the kind of waiting until us come in to release a final count. It Do I get really tall order for biting? You would have to win these outstanding balance by like eight thousand two hundred and twenty or something which is like I mean not the centrally totally crazy. Given that, like me about you, can be very blue, but it seems like a tall order. It seems like that's a likely from state and then Alaska, girl just very slow to count. Its votes is only counted in person. Vote so far has not counted any mail. Those which is substantial Biden the deprives dedicated there arose are way behind so far. They have to win the male ballots by a very a margin. Although again I we all know exactly how many male balance there are, so probably the North Carolina

Nagorno being likely Trump and Likely Sullivan, meaning there followed a Senate incumbent, but yeah. It's, alas, gets weird so we'll see so maybe the states to farmers on here are Arizona and Georgia, and I'm interested in hearing from Clare and Perry. What kind of coalition to bite and put together that made him competitive in these it's that have been pretty republican for decades now. I think the short answer, particularly in Georgia, is Jimmy product organizers, the most prominent of which people are pointing to a Stacy Abrams, have been working on this red There are lots of new voters, turn out lots of black voters, but also reach out to these White College. Educated people, particularly in Atlanta Atlanta, obviously, is a really huge metro area and has the suburbs and college educated places and voters of all races at our training. More and more towards the demo

Party in Arizona. I actually dont know the initial turnout numbers on hispanic voters in Arizona, but you know when I talk to people their pre election, they felt pretty confident democratic organizers felt pretty confident that they had created a decent hours. Effort with this man can be there, and then you also have Arizona, independence, trending more toward bind the democratic, then Mark Kelly and the Senate. Yes, I think, fer. You know interesting reasons. We ve talked a little bit on this package by Arizona being small see conservative not necessarily be captured by Trump, even though there are some pretty trompe characters out of Arizona in the past four years. So it's kind of a combination of turning out these pretty hard core democratic bases and then also a little persuasion, which is what a lot of elections are, but was georgian. Ninety

Extra ninety two last time, a Democrat One, ninety two, ninety two in Georgia and antibiotics in Arizona, so obviously a big change. So just in terms of the demographic Georgia's electorates about a third, black and the data we have suggested by, probably ones may like ninety percent of the black voters in Georgia and that's a third of the electorate and the questions he's been, or indeed in Georgia and the Democratic went about thirty percent of white voters. They and the twenties Biden probably got in the thirties unless an important part of his victory mostly around the land area. That a huge number, the democratic, those there, zone, as is electorate, is about between a fifth and a fourth latino, looks like Biden one. The lion's share, probably the sixty seventy percent of the latino vote. There among the white voters and like in Arizona there less conservative sue me, he wants something like forty percent, if no higher than white boat in Arizona, that's the kind of did not me,

like people in Arizona, not tenable teenagers in Georgia, but somehow groups as well and in turn the geography of it, the feed This area is the lion's share. The votes, along with to sign in Arizona and then Lana, along with the Savanna AIR, is a big part of the votes for Biden in Georgia. So one The trends we were walking out heading into the election was how Biden was performing with seniors that this potentially more relevant in Arizona, considering that there are larger retirement communities there it seems like buying, did not do particularly well in Florida. That's partially based on the cuban american vote in South Florida, potentially also based on the senior row, obviously by did better in Georgia than Florida as an interesting development. Are we able to Paris we There were not in the end. Biden did do well with senior voters in this election,

I think, will eventually be able to do so. I mean I have enough kind of deliberately not spent much time. Looking at exit polls, I mean the current exit poll shows by lost seniors by three points, which is a bit better Madam president, recently stimulate about when the senior vote, since I think, like two thousand or something so This is somewhat improved performance, but again I think we have to calibrate base When we kind of no final results and can be a little bit firmer in time, examples to them yet I'll just clarify here We do plan on talking more about the poles and our performance in this election. We also do want to dig deeper into exit, pull data and other survey data that will come out once they speak, where the verified voters and things like that.

I'm in one of the challenges of exit polls is that they can be pretty skewed and later on are basically pegged to what the eventual outcome wasn't. We don't have full results yet, so the exit polls are not always all that correct to begin with, and they art as correct as they will eventually be once the as you mentioned there calibrated for final result. So we are, I want more conversations about this, but we are still a little bit in limbo as with many of these ways, because we don't have the final exit polls. Basically, let's talk about Senate races. We don't want projections yet in North Carolina in Alaska and then, of course, the two Senate raises in Georgia are going to run offs. Nay, I think you summed up what we expect from North Carolina. And Alaska at the presidential level, reason to expect that the Senate level would be any different, particularly in North Carolina. So Cunningham a Democrat running first Senate is running a little. hi Biden so

if by needs a minor miracle that I'd say? Cunningham needs a major miracle to the point: where could a decision desk call that race already? Maybe I guess, there's no reason to jump out. Do it Alaska, our growth and Joe Biden running neck and neck They must be in the same boat, Alice Galvin. Who is the democratic nominee for the? U S house There is very little ahead of them, so maybe it s a big ship back. She might have slightly better chances in the other two, but they're not here different and in general, a theme is that you did not see big tickets, putting which you didn't expect to see but like in most cases you did not have any say mechanics running. had abiding you had saw maybe running house. Can it running behind him right? There should be. Some voters were like. Ok, I will four Divina govern here Biden for present, maybe by Senate races, he'll differences about, but then for house, maybe over the Republican. If I'm on the fence here so basin

what night mentioned it seems like the two biggest question marks now: are the run off centre races in Georgia, Perry which, in our prior is be going into those races this may be, because regional or not what I mean I worry. The media is going to spend a lot of time covering this a lot of money spent in Georgia on both sides, there will be a few, showing them in a margin of error and then due in large whirlwind by five point. Something somewhere could enable the history we one example of Democrats winning Georgia, Joe Biden on Tuesday. We have a lot of evidence of run ass, senator and so on is suggest. Democrats view between forty five and forty eight in Georgia now below that not much above that. So I'm gonna leave pretty hard in Trier that I'm here, It is a lot of hot air over nothing. Do the Republicans have it again? the poles and the flowers, but I will believe it when I see it. When I see Democrats wine to speculation run ass in June. Giving them

the control the sentence, her right come I would strongly to Paris point. A good prediction is that this will kind of bee reminiscent of John or South Karen Handle, and then Frankly, like the Doug Jones Roy, more Senate race, where these races get nationalized national Democrats start donating. You know. Every celebrities, Instagram story is all about like move to. Georgia call everyone in Georgia and then people in these states, which might be purple or, frankly, frankly, read the locals, get pissed off in their like this. Noise, like you guys, can live get out of my states politics, and it ends up being a more walk away race for the like defaults party. It is in these cases all republican has the nationalizing up of these races- often doesn't gibe well with locals that they wanted to be about their particular politics.

I should find pretty understandable right, like people do kind of like the sale at the place where I live is different for whatever reason like everyone wants to be unique flower, so I do think that nationalizing, these races will probably have, as Perry said, a galvanizing effect. Further default home team party. of course then also brings national figures, who may not necessarily be at all popular in Georgia into the fray. I think I saw the news already that Andrew Yang is moving to Georgia to commit full time too. Yes, electing the two Democrats, which we now in January, nay. What are you thinking think people walls, price this year, maybe a little too strong, because aid, Georgia has obviously changed a lot at stake that there's a chance that Georgia will want to being the tipping point state be you know ye. Shall you think that if you kind of in a mid term environment, where is using a wave against the incumbent President Biden kind of as the President Elect, I guess it's kind of analogous to like a mid term back,

but there's some things- are reared about a right and proper as making a lot of noise about not transitioning smoothly you're not considering the election results, then maybe you don't get that effect right. If you can see, if you make a lot of things about voter fried they may be publicly. Predicaments hasn't happened, but maybe turn out discourage right. It's also not clear that, like are the law. A propensity voters who might not us action. Are they necessarily Democrats or might they be lower fixity white voters? In my vote for Petrov Ray, I think ass, clear, either and so can I pick Republicans to win these races, particularly the Purdue ASA phrase. I do think Lothar leffler. By the way it is leffler, as I was lovelorn Leffler its let it looks like it's pronounced, lawful or by reading it, but she definitely browsers her name. Lastly, Kelly Leffler ran really really really far to the right, This multi way special election primary

in a way that I think her her favorability ratings. It's not impossible to imagine some George and saying Loeffler is a little too crazy. For me, where is producing is fine, he's a trusted. ambient somebody go Purdue, Warnock and we'll have a split delegation. I wouldn't shock We have another way, poles and in those poles in the run off work I was ahead of leffler by some margin how bout those are after the primary is done. I dont know but, like You know I could imagine it minded being a forty, nine, fifty one sweat and the centre with those risks being split. I think it's not possible all right. One final question: on before we move on? Are we going to of a forecast were pulling average for the rough weather bowling. we dont traditionally do probabilistic forecast for like special elections and run awesome cement off like make an exception now. But what about him

job don't get an. I do want to move on and talk about how the parties are responding to the results I know there are a lot of outstanding house raises that have not been called. Do we have a rough sense of how many seats Democrats will have lost once this is all said and done so far there have been eighty two different democrats. Publicans three seats, if that the other way so to net five C gains republicans, but there are a number of, called raises, several is uncle braces are in New York. The issue with York is a wee wee. As the office we have encountered, male ballots yet, which are like be very democratic, and so I think a lot of people have set out my How did the police do so in New York? Will not play with it? So well are just that when you don't count, mail I'll, take him Pennsylvania, then things are highly incomplete, a couple hours in California, where sector which way the a blue shifter wretchedness. Also, a lot of uncounted vote in California, so

that clear. How many pick up the GNP will ultimately how they are based on a current milk count, leading in the majorities on call races, so I might have been like plus eight June p at the end of the day, if I d gas or such like that, plus eight plus nine for seven somewhere in there, I we do eventually, once we have better date. I want to look at where buy now perform some house democratic candidates. Once again, as we mentioned, we don't have complete dating yet we get there, but I do want to move on to talk about how the parties are reacting to these results, but first today's podcast is brought to you by zip recruiter. Businesses have had to be flux

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Presenting their I mean I get mummies first. I would like at this point George W Bush, candy Rice, Mitt, Romney least summer Caskey, there's probably a few other, the spread of Tuna House member. But the fact that I am able to recall- and I'm focused on which Republicans have congratulated Biden is the story because the overall majority are not, and some of them are making substance or more direct kind of with of election is confusing. We can't others. Some of them are not coming at all. Miss Mcconnell has made some sort of on middle statements. This is very disappointing and I would say discouraging that this picture is going round twitter about half the election Biden congratulated pins into doesnt sixteen there. This is just like deplorable behaviour. We have an election is clear who wine? Instead it ignores the result we have lost. Those two seem to be pretty baseless in cases in a republican

Party going along with them. Lotta lawsuits are about Detroit and fill it. I'll be with the obvious application that somehow black people cheated the Republicans out of something. This is deplorable behaviour, and I'm really is discouraged by to see this so far, which is dead, bite and won. The election he's presented. His speeches already was very unifying in terms of its goals and why miss Mcconnell can't say he wants absurd to me, yeah. All of what Perry said, I think, would so interesting is, I say interesting with a loaded sense. I mean there's a clip going around. That is very clearly Laura. Ingram, specifically talking to the president basically and sang gently you ve lost, but you know, like President Trump supporters will still love him and, like he'll, still be a king maker in the GNP.

Even if you lose is frankly, I think the silence on the part of european elected officials with a little bit just coddling, the president's ego I mean he still hasn't, come out and said anything he's egg s been golfing for the past few days in Virginia, there haven't been really any word from his mouth, which is pretty amazing, and I guess from the mouths of babes a kid. The other day asked me like so is present trump Gonna go to Joe Biden Inauguration, and I just I don't know? second question. play if I were a betting woman. I see probably not, which is not like. illegal IBM. It certainly not gracious and it certainly pretty unprecedented, at least in in modern times, but I think everyone at this point, even if they're not saying it explicitly and shame on them, that their not acknowledging button is won the election, but everyone just kind of like ok. This is gonna, be like an unconscious

two months and then trample the out right and really what we're saying here is. This is not a partisan issue. This is like weather. we live in a functioning democracy where the loser of an election concedes and the person who is democratically elected is helped out and encouraged to take their elected role because that's what the people decided. So what is the incentive structure here? For Republicans I mean at the beginning of president trumps entrance into republican politics, or at least presidential politics. They were very sceptical of him. The eve kind have been a thorn in many of their sides for the past four years. Why? not more republicans. At this point to thank Erika. Whilst we saw a problem, we have to send a majority we're gonna move forward like what are the incentives here too, just not say that Biden, one cause, they did pretty well down ballot, and I

a lot of them, know that I mean, I think it's pretty notable- that Leary Hogan the extremely moderate governor of Maryland, who, in a delightful bit of political, whatever you want to call. It was like a lot of people have asked me to run for president twenty twenty four. It's like Regional moon was like many people are saying it's like near. Your wife like that was just kind of funny a funny thing, but you know the fact that its pretty much only these modern Republicans who are coming out in saying like Trump, should concede that's already kind of built into their brand a lot of other people the GEO p. I think the non response tells you a lot about probably the direction of the GNP in the next four years. People keep on saying like our trump is gone, not on our trump ism is here to stay, and I think that that's what you you see and hear anything. It's a good way to phrase it was like: what's the incentive there isn't an incentive, right now, we're in the sense that they want to be on good terms with the large majority

the Republican Party is down with Trump, this is gonna to be a thing that will be important to remember is that Trump might be leaving the White House, but his brand of politics is here to stay like it. Resonated look at down ballot races like, I think, there's a lot of hard to linking to be done about the staying power of that kind of politics in America. Are we sure, though I mean no one, you know Trump is going to lose. The electoral college by the same margin Clinton. Did the point is that Finally, if you lose, I think I with a monotonous by just about this, but like you, if you lose your orders but neat. What's the proffered alternative in the Republican Party, I dont actually think that the people who have the ideological core have currently have much stay power or residence with the base. I may be wrong and that's reporting is all about, but my Inclinations are kind of like there is a lot of momentum on the side of trumpets, and even if it's not this strategically best

they have for years to figure out. No one thought this blatant twenty twelve that down from for me the next republican Domini Risa than may answer this question on. Why are the vast majority of rank and file republican lawmakers not saying exactly what you said. You know: ok, you're, one term president, now we're gonna move on Joe Biden. Is president a lot because, feelings are heard. because they're trying to get and good graces with Trump and their base right, because they think that that's the future of Europe, Working party, I think you over people, rationality and also you if it is their judgment or judgment, can be wrong. These are people who are in denial a lot of them. These are people that don't want to met. I mean it's a mix of everything right, some of them sure cynically are saying some stuff and so sincerely believe it, and some of them are consuming information that, like is mislead. You know I mean look. We deal with like different types of

different beliefs about the election and we're different indicators, point and poles and like we're in an environment. Now we're like substantial numbers of people can just believe things that are true. and they have lots of ways to reinforce their beliefs, including people, better. Kind of in some sense. Pretty intelligent and well adjusted bull are losing track of reality. I don't mean to sound alarmist, but, like some people, interactive reality here and you can get your kind of terrible word mermaids called where you kind of only consume news that reinforces your view and kind of consider everything else to not reinforce your view. A lot of people who voted for trouble what we call low social trust. That means you may not actually have as many social costs. text to someone that might reinforce behaviour. We go down different rat holes, we all have lower social contact or almost all of us during the pandemic, that my reinforce these.

no hole to get into, I mean I think it's kind of dark, but, like I don't think, the appropriate lens is necessarily to look at it as being highly strategic. I don't know it's part of it is like strategy adjacent. I agree with the idea the Republicans are doing this because they don't want to a thin strong while, Also thinking maybe they're overly assess would not have been interrupted like sucking up this round is what they're doing the may not actually be good political strategy citing today is their incentive instead of might be wrong. Their judgment, These might be wrong, I'm not totally sure throwing it forward. Do we think this is indicative of the kind of relationship the GNP will have with president pirate? I'm not sure that I mean like. If you look at the last couple days, the obvious there would be the Republicans are gonna blocked by everything he does. He can appoint a captain member etc. I think is too soon to know I Ebby curiously, what binds the poorer and was like an April

like what he does in April, how he's handling the Toronto virus? If there's a vaccine I mean I know nobody's. Gonna scientific, renewed, you're, the public after nervously, but are they going to oppose everything? Biden. Does, I'm not sure yet, but I think the elite These are not good, and if you like the terms of the republic in terms of democracy, norms? Are they gonna keep passing potentially laws make major harder people vote, for example. I think yes, because they seem to be on a course them not following democratic norms, and this week is another illustration of that all right. So that's why republican stand in this moment. Democrats of course, are celebrating their victory

but there also taking a look down ballot, probably with some trepidation and confusion about what happened. There were plenty of places around the country whereby did run ahead of house Democrats, whereas pull suggested that they would likely pick up how seats, as you mentioned earlier, there are likely to lose somewhere in the range of seven to nine, how seats instead, so or we try to get to what did happen. Why did democrats lose those seats? Can we talk about how the party is talking about it, because we're still gonna have to wait for better data in order to come to? Maybe four can genes, but the party is already having this debate and pointing fingers. Clare

in which directions are the fingers being pointed and Y yeah? I mean, I think, the Democratic party. This is not news to. Anyone has a very vocal progressive base that has even before we knew that there is a good chance that the Republicans might hold the Senate and Joe Biden might be picking more moderate, nominees and cabinet members. You already saw progressives sounding the alarm bells about binds gonna be to conserve it. We're going to see? Tony in or frankly, like Obama era, only giving credence to the experts and the establishment of the centre you're already seeing a lot of that. You know, I think Biden is talented at being in the center, always of the Democratic Party and I think, someone earlier said or add one of our many election podcast. That Biden has a very progressive. If not the most progressive

platform ran as a progressive candidate, but I do think his inclinations are towards probably more the centre laugh, and so I think that there are going to be some very vocal disagreements in the Democratic Party that I think a lot of them initially will probably be centered around Biden's pick for chief of staff and you're, probably going to see stuff in the Georgia Senate, re sitting Andrew Yang is already getting push back for having them. You know people say he's miss characterizing, the working class base of the party and not giving enough credence to voters of color who are working Class my message to them so you're, just starting to see a lot of the arguments that we ve been seen for four years, but now democratic power. So it gives it a different, valence, frankly yard you support this.

What we, in the very immediate aftermath of this election there were leaks from the House Democratic Caucus call in which moderates were pointing at progressive, saying, like you did this by you, are talking about defending the police and one of the core issues like. I never want to hear the word socialist again. To what extent are we able to tell at this point whether it was an overly liberal or progressive agenda from the left of the party turned off voters down ballot. I mean, I think, there's some tentative Evans for that in Nebraska second district, for example, which Joe Biden won by a solid, marginal picked up in electoral about the very progressive democratic cannot Eastman is down. Four point. Eight points based on votes can, and so far there are taken at all,

that is on the verge of being data and anecdote rife. Talking about one race, I have seen some attempts to quantify if you're controlling for, like support for medical for all and look at vitamins performance you or for perform. There's some of us it. You underperform, maybe not dramatic, though, why things that I think. Conventional wisdom has deleted itself about a little bit. Here. Is the notion that, like oh now, it's all about turn out. It sounded appealing, center were actually and our analysis armies. Urgent stores about appealing to be centre among other things and Your prior probably should be that yeah have you're seen as more fairly you're right, then you'll be punished for that at the ballot box, and if your shoes, Collins going to throw the difference than you can. Survive a wave and is a big gap between how well Biden did and how well Didion did in May, which but getting another, but is about probably Susan columns. a balanced, different incentives, so it

this preliminary evidence for this narrative, but like we have to collect a lot more, I mean the debate itself did started with every I'll, be hamburger and honour Lamb criticising the squad basic and then a seething interview in the times in defending herself an entirely to me All seems a little bit like the man, this gave. Was we shouldn't talk about deepen the police with anything they brought up, but the number of house Democrats who are for deepening at least the very small number that maybe is four and might even zero. The number of Senator pressing reform. It is probably zero. It's just like is not clear to me how the Democrats, hence the reason, was given from deep on the police with us. Nutty arguments from the reserve is an argument from activists like activists are saying that, and then it gets grab down and put on box news like in some ways criticising their colleagues. This not the most until will it in a liberal things, are not really coming from congressional.

raising the waterways. I find it hard to be. You know we're gonna, have activist hands even Listen, I could use a minute like I saw that part of it is problematic. The second part is the binding is of a different kind of politicians with if you like, ran ahead of some liberals, and some minor, as it may be assisted by is a good politician, alludes to the record may not be the left or the right or wrong. There's a moderate levels are wrong. You're point being the democrat discussion leaves out the pointed. Maybe some people voted for the Republicans. Does they agree with the Republicans it could? treated like the Democrats didn't do anything wrong with the Republicans. Did things right? Did voters appeal to both Conaway in animals You seem to be saying that if our strategy was different, we win more voters. I'm not sure some of those people might just want to vote for the Republican, so I can dance the last one is just left center debate is kind of over. I think in the party I mean

It's not hard to appoint someone who's, not who were liberal or Romania's interests in, I think Joe Biden being a non EU we'll find him. People who are like in between- and some are even you this sort of very plying for this left centre story that I think is going to end up being binds gonna pick people who satisfy bull that are not in either camp and that's not brain surgeon. I let the wrong manual being in Sorted into this narrative in the past few days is weird because it's like yeah he's not gonna, appoint Rama manual. Romania was just on your television for a couple days, saying things which feels like the reason why he's kind of coming up, but what Perry just said makes me think about it's been activists I ve been really effective in messaging. The message they want and that's the point of activism is too like give effective messages that shape people up I'll bet and hopefully influence but maybe just the Democratic party doesn't have a super great media strategy,

How do we want to put it like that? Their communication is not sexy. That activists on the left have gotten communication and down, and that, like a sea, has gotten a lot of applause for the way she communicates with voters I think that first, you had a lot of older lawmakers saying like what is she doing, giving make up tips to woke and it's like, while she doing Youtube videos which talks about her nurse lip pencil, but then is also talking about health care. You know it whatever the idea of sort innovating, a communication strategy. That's me, as into thing in- and maybe there is something in there about the fact that some of the organs of the Democratic Party aren't actually innovative in their communication style and that's a problem. If you re, whatever essential democratic, to use the thing that Perry candidates that as the debate is over, but the idea is you're in the establishment that, like maybe you

surely should come around to different experiments with communicating our message now that you're in power there is also a dynamic hear of it. We ve talked a lot about in the past, which is that the idea of the moderate centrist is a little bit off in the sense that moderates are not. Usually somebody who is actually right in the centre on every issue, its more somebody who has idiosyncratic views and if you line them all up and add them together, then you get something that looks more moderate than left ideal all right ideologues, and that a lot of those kinds of voters would score, has relatively progressive on economic things and relatively conservative on social things. And so there are certain aspects here in which both arguments may be some correct in that. Raising the minimum wage to fifteen dollars is overwhelmingly popular, as was even a wealth tax, whereas some of their like cultural things, arguments may not be quite as popular

Are we going to spend more time looking at the state of the two parties down the line, but before we wrap up, we should mention today's development in corona virus vaccine news. So the pandemic is going to remain the biggest challenge for President Elect Joe Biden Monday morning, Pfizer released a statement saying that it's a vaccine showed promising results, but the data is still very early and only represents a small slice of the trials participants. I will say here that we have a high cost fully dedicated to the current virus pandemic. It's called podcast nineteen, which people should go check out and subscribe to, but because this is going to say play a big role in american politics going forward and a big role in all of our lives. As everyone can see, you watching us on Youtube were still in our own homes and not in a studio next to each other. But

nay. I know that you ve been tracking us a lot, so I want to give you the opportunity to weigh in here and how you see this shaping the country's experience with corona virus and, of course, also our political experience with the corona virus. Yes, I will a pike S, nineteen into other things, Irina Fighter, and other places this clearly the deal right. I think there are differences about whether this is like a Richter magnitude. Ten, I guess attendance. Let me get off the earthquakes You know what it was and is a ten out of ten absolute. Wonderful, miraculous news people say to six out of ten pointing in the right to be cautious right in this, and we shall we usually urge more caution about things. But there is this. I think it's really good news, our number one- if it is ninety percent effective, that's just kind of air sealing a lot of people, thought allowed people thought with a verse vaccines. We would get. You know anything about fifty per I do not approve, but you know again, with all the key to getting its science. My press release this

Besides is an enormous, yet you know ninety percent, since higher ceiling that I think people were hoping for. Number two. I think it is most important. Is that this technology I am that Pfizer's using is also being used by other platforms and like the protein is everything is the same as the programme has been targeted by other platforms, so the five year vaccine is. You're gonna be hard to distribute, requires really. Cold storage requires two doses and others like Madeira, no vaccine, it's very similar. Frankly, there You were storage, as she is not going to be different manufacturers that are already creating dose the Pfizer and Madeira So what I mean to say, you may get more vaccines, plural, in the hands of more people sooner. What's that mean it does not mean this winter. Think this winter is likely to be very difficult and cold climates. You might get if

emergency use authorization basis, vaccines that, like healthcare care workers, are to be greater baby teachers or something like that, but like we sought to come up with a distribution but I think it is pretty bullish news for like what things will look like by this time next year by the if half of next year, certainly when good news people should be happy, but you know understand that, like this can take a look at these. You did. I think this interesting to say is that, like twin twenty one is gonna be a year of recovery? That doesn't mean that things are going to be recovered on January. First, January, first, probably to suck still for lots of reasons. so to clarify here for political purposes. This is still very much going to be the urgent challenge that I president, Joe Biden, will deal with in his first term I think there are political implications and the implication is that.

Joe Biden is going to be most likely presiding over a year in which there is increasing optimism and improved outcomes on the pandemic Economy, which of course, are tied together over the course of the year. My had a tail wind. The trade differently for example, Barack Obama, where actually the worst job loss from the financial crisis actually occurred right when his getting savannas fortuitous for Joe Biden that twenty twenty one is probably gonna be a year. People feel like we're getting over this. Are improving, probably not me his office right, but by the spring, looking like a literal and poverty, dying out You know I mean there are reasons to think that, like by might be fairly popular in its first year. In this context, really popular mean- I mean fifty two percent, the set of forty three percent from narrow range right, but you know there's a lot luck involved and when you become President Average Joe Biden, the timing might be decently lucky violence.

Payment today about this, and he said for never see what future a mass remains, a more potent weapon against the virus than the taxi. Today's news is not it is urgent reality: Americans, we have to rely on masking, distancing contact, tracing, handwashing and other measures to keep themselves safe well into next year. Today's news is great news, but doesn't change that fat yeah? I think, especially as thanksgiving approaches and people are trying to make a lot of hard decisions. It's probably a good reminder of what actually works right now are wrong. Let's leave things. There are first post, Election results, podcast of many to come. So thanks to everyone once again, who stuck with us and listen throughout those five long days and the five years that actually we ve been doing this podcast. We look forward to many more parts ass to come anymore. Many

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