Thick markets, thin markets, and the triumph of attributes over compatibility.
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Get back ass. His nurse, you are about to hear an episode from our archives. Number one hundred and fifty four which we originally put out in February two thousand fourteen before we get to that for economics. Radio, as you may or may not know, is produced by the public radio Station W and my c, which means it is produced in part by you are listeners. That's right, you send us money and we turn your money into, for example, three. So please go to free, comics, dot, com and click on the Donnie. But now you may be thinking yourself wait a minute sure I like this contest, fine, but doesn't really accomplish anything. Does it I could see thrown a few dollars their way if it is complex, something, but it doesn't, does it ok, I want to tell you a story. People, Mandy Gazelle EC and TIM Barnhardt. Allow me Mandy the nursing staff
in Cincinnati, TIM's and engineer So in Cincinnati, when the story begins, they dont know. Each other. Mandy, however, is a big fan of economics, radio, I listen to the pact cast another stay morning on my way to work and it was title, but what you dont know about online dating or something along those lines. This was around Valentine's day and, I had been single for a while and by hey, maybe I'll, be able today an empire employ because that's whose profiles they re looking at on the show the very day she hears episode. Mandy Acres Alec decides to sign up for online dating the next day. She comes across TIM's mandating profile. They get in touch the following Monday. They go
a date to a burger joint. The first thing that I when he pulled up and gave each other Haagen, I said I hope you like beer choose because they have great stuff here and he is like. Oh, my gosh him already falling for you that first day when well really well, really really really well, you know we get the check and we walk out and walk or to her car, and I got enough for honour. She got in her car saw started. Drive off and there was just is overwhelming- urge to not pull out of the parking lot and instead pull up beside her car bottom line, she hadn't got in her car yet and she just started walking towards me. I walked towards her and we both knew exactly what was getting ready to happen. It was smooch city couldn't control it.
As a great first kiss and that's actually the same location where he proposed to exactly that's right to proposed to Mandy. She said yes and they got married. All because for economic radio, waves It's a vain sliding like we are forever thankful because really I would have not gone online that night. I definitely one of chosen the site that I did without hearing the podcast, so changed my life, and you know, till death there was I write honey, Mandy and TIM. You are welcome our best wishes to the happy couple. As for the rest of you, if their story doesn't make you wanna go to for economics,
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Andy defined TIM and fall in love called, which you dont know about. On Monday, I had been personally on Okcupid on an offer a few years. That's Alley reed and I just move to allay in August, and you know, got back on his way to meet people and get to know the city a little bit. Reed is a comedy. She spent a lot of time on her Okcupid profile. Okcupid in case you dont know, is updating website the profile that she wrote, wasn't really work got a lot of messages of hey. You seem nice like haven't? You know just nothing, nothing to do with my profile, and so I wondered if it does anyone care at all like. Are they just looking at a better picture? So I wanted to see,
There is a lower limit to how awful a person could be before men with thought messaging, her on an online dating site. So this is when she got cresty. She wrote a fake particular problem. Very very so you set up a profile and your name is what Errand Carter fans and are you in fact, Encarta event. I know, but I figured the woman as trying to create probably constitutes Erin Carter's basic fan base. Why
Erin Carter is the younger brother of a back three boy who had a brief and ill advised wraps career and there's just no substance there and music at all, and that was what I was trying to reflect in airing harder to talk about. Some of your favorite highlighted low lights of your pro. Well, for one thing I wanted to make clear: is that she's not just a bad person? She wants to ruin your life, though, under the affection. What I'm really good at the only thing she left is convincing people and pregnant Ella will
get the hell out. Yeah yeah. She really enjoy that great, come on a typical Friday night. She is knocking the cops out of homeless people, hand because she thinks it so funny to watch them. Try to pick it all up, talks movement about the six things you could never do without the money. My car, my phone keeping America American, my family and my friends in Erin Carter took a sudden thinks it's. Ok, What what's keeping America American meant to signal to me? a person in the world is definitely racist, and so I needed that to be a part of her I didn't want. It He saw the unseen I wanted her to be clearly if we terrible, I didn't want it to be an obvious joke profile, and keeping America American to me is sort of code. For I dont like people who don't look like me,
so you created a profile for a girl named Erin Carter's fan who likes to party and knock over homeless. People are at least their cups and she's, a racist gold digging fake pregnant getting twenty five year old. Wait girl, how'd! You do Hush Marin Card offended very well. In the first twenty four hours. She got a hundred and fifty messages. I had the profile up for two or three weeks since you got close to a thousand men method, her she guy probably ten times the number of messages that my real profile got. So what you tribute that success two while airing Carter, friends, one redeeming quality
She is very good. Looking I have my friend Re Johnson, who is an Australian based model, an actress if I could write her facebook photos and she's very kindly said yes and so Erin Carter fan is stunningly good. Looking behind in so tell me about following up with some of these replies, will, after so many messages started rolling in the optimists than me, decided that these men had just in the pretty photo and had not read her profile. So my goal at that point became to convince them that she is just awful that she is the worst form on earth. They asked what I was doing. I thought I was pretending to be a fourteen year old on Facebook, like a bully MIKE, the three friends I would threaten to pull out their teeth with a lot of guys. I could just I wrote gibberish just pounded on the keyboard for a minute and sent it, and the vast majority of them responded with that
great, what are known on Friday and how many days did you have then out of IRAN? Carter fan fishing I actually believe it or not did not want to meet any leave. Many relay. Yeah, so surprised Valliere. Actually I found that a deal breaker for me was messaging Aaron Carter. I'm happy from w and my see this is free economics, radio, the pot calves that explores the hidden side of everything. Here's your host, Stephen Governor,
we're talking today about online dating alley. Reed wrote the fake Okcupid profile for a really good. Looking twenty five year old woman, who also happens to be a racist gold, digging fake pregnant, getting nightmare and she got almost a thousand replies when men are deciding who to contact and dating sites, looks matter a great deal at Paul lawyer. He is a labour economy. At Stanford, just to give you one statistic that comes from the ok, Cupid Blog, and I am quoting here. A hot woman receives roughly four times the messages, an average looking woman gets and twenty five times as many as an ugly one, and then there's is interesting. Superstar fact, where the very hottest five per cent of men get twice as many a mail as men who are just below that who are more like the tenth per cent tile
among the ten percent time most attractive, but not among the very top five percent. Women are in general a little bit more attractive to lawyers. Doctors, men and military and firefighters, which I always heard, was the stereotype, but apparently it turns out to be at least a little bit. True Paul lawyer usually rates whereas with sexy titles, Lake fiscal year ends and non linear incentive contracts. The effect on business seasonality and Arthur. Sectoral anomalies to an illustration of the pitfalls. Multiple hypothesis testing, recently published a book to the different angle, is called everything I ever needed to know about economics. I learned from online dating now. Why did lawyer suddenly turned
tension to online dating well. He recently re entered the dating world himself after twenty years absence in when you signed up for some online dating site. He found that the dating market very much resembled the labour markets is used to study and, more importantly, realized dating, could be much improved if only everybody approached it like an economist would now, of course he would say that is an economist, but whoever you are when comes to online dating it helps to start with some families. So, for example, one study found that a man who makes two hundred fifty thousand dollars per year holding everything else equal gets contacted two and a half times as much as a man who makes more like fifty thousand dollars or less and looks the same. Ok, what else now more education, it turns out, doesn't have much of a direct effect. So if you have more education
on a dating site. You won't get more attention on average, however, you will indirectly, and the reason for that is. If you have more education, gonna to make more money. A typical study will find them with one more year of education holding everything else, equal makes hate to ten percent more than someone with one fewer year of education, and so that's going to lead to more money at which would then make you more attractive on it. He had thing is looks matter a lot, but it turns out. We doesnt matter that much independent of looks so an overweight person who is otherwise medium attractive, we'll do almost as well as a medium attractive person who is not overweight or eight, and what about men's preferences women's preferences. Men, on the other hand, care lot less about income, women,
make more don't get a lot of extra attention and, by the way, the very interesting recent study by to oversee Chicago economists and another economist from another school, and they find that, once you get out of this world into real relationships? Relationships tend to be less stable and happy the woman makes more money than the man, so it makes sense that women should be more attractive to money than men to begin with. Ok, so Paul lawyer knows a good bit about the rules of attraction and online dating which, if you think about it, it's just dating with a much bigger pool in a much better filter. So here's the question does all of lawyers knowledge translate into actual wisdom. In other words, is he any good at giving actual online dating advice? For instance, how do you build the best profile ever? Is it better
to choose a big site like match, dot com or a niche site like gluten free singles, dot com, which is real, should you lie and if so about one point, it be nice. If Paul lawyer could not only answer these questions but answer them for a real person who wants to emerge? of his actual online dating situation. Paypal. I harry'll goodness of meat you nice to meet you to its PJ's, both lives in New York, producer on the public radio show on the media, co host support, Guess called Tell D are in Fiji, the brief brave soul, because he let us open up his Okcupid profile pic it apart on the radio, even though we ve been told before they look like Ryan from the office I'd know,
I've been told they look like Andy from the office, which I take as a dagger vote and lawyer sat down with Susie Lichtenberg Producer and our shoe Peter. Do you feel like you want to read a few oh boy, so we're looking at my Okcupid profile, which I dont know why this is as embarrassing as it is. But it's got a few pictures of me which I've tried to make like pictures that are flattering but not like two flattering and then just like it. Here, is a prompt and basically, what am rising allocated is in every case I've tried to brag and then quickly tell a joke said: has a book like him dragging them thinking as an example ok so says like what are you doing with your life? And I say I'm a public radio producer, which means I added and report stories brag and drink too much caffeine, mild self deprecate, Joe Recently I ve been learning to not jam all my words together in a much said old people can hear me better on the radio
try and get away with that. I see a very transparent, give us another example: okay, so lake. It says the six things I could never do without, and this is true, but it all and upsetting like weird bragging, coffee, whisky, running shoes, paperbacks torrents and my geriatric vesper, like you, feel your bragging about being a vesper guy. Whenever that leave us, good thing can I just ask the old guy question what our torrent, o torrents, are on their ways that people download media legally online. Usually I was gonna, think I was pretending to know, but I had better be those like really into torrential rain long walks in their own language name Anna we spend a lot of time. Thinking about that. Why the process I spend a lot of time. Thinking about- and I said I spend a lot of time
worrying about people. I know seeing me on here, which is ironic, has run radio right now and are you yeah I feel like I'm? I'm not a person fills a tiny shame and I feel just rivers of shame right now. What's here on your name on her out, this is the worst part, so its part Samson, both parts but like rolling bar like moved the earth is like the worst is like really the worse. The worst thing. Cesspool spell the whole name out for us by Ba Aren T age. He s ass. I am p. I saw something more five now as Paul oil or sees it the most important first step. In our mind, dating to know exactly what you are trying to get out of it does an economist I can't help but think we have to start with your objective function, for we look
before her marriage, someone to hang out with option value, so somebody hang out with that of a turns into more that's good yeah option. Dahlias sounds like a good way to put em ok. So as I look at what you ve got here, what before we even look at it, we have to stop and think about the first thing, an economist is Do you think about supply and demand? So I don't know if you realize this but you're in a great position. New York City is demographic. Really more female and male. I am not entirely sure why that's true out here in San Francisco adds the opposite. We over supply of men relative to women at least compared to other cities. New York City in Washington DC tend to swing much more towards more available women, so you're in a good position. From a competitive point of view, Europe providing a good single straight mail, which is in relatively high demand
now. The other thing to keep in mind here is time is very much on your side, so you're in a good cause, in four to other reasons- and that is the male female deferential I just mentioned- is gonna swing, much more in your favour over the next ten years, How are you under no pressure to hook up for the term relationship right now? So that's one thing, that's good. The other thing is just more generally aside from your gender the fact that you're, twenty eight years old from an economist point of view, means you should be very picky, so you should be picking be looking for a really good match, and the reason for that is suppose you do fine just there. Person and get married and live happily ever after well, you're, no rush to do that because you have let's just say fifty more years in which to enjoy the relationship you find if it's a successful one. So when I was online dating market recently. You know I'm much older than you are and from
I shall economic perspective. I should be less picky than you hot too. I should be searching a little less carefully. I should be so killing of settling is an important idea. It's a very important idea to economists because of what we call search theory suggest that at some point you should realise having what you have is better than expanding more resources to try to do better and that's more true, When you're my age, I'm fifty now than when you're your age, which is twenty eight so what's the year, were that what's waiting was writing, says here, it's slow, studied your patients nor should slowly and steadily erode. Ok, that's happening right now. You should be very
So Paul lawyer is telling Pga vote. That Pga is in pretty good shape dating wise. One thing he's got going form. It is using a big dating website, Okcupid in a big city, New York I want to advertise for any given website, but especially in your demographic, of a younger demographic okcupid is what we call a thick market is a very big website. There are lots of men and women on it. So by putting yourself on this website, you're going to have lots of choice and a lot of people are gonna. Have the opportunity to see you and consider you as an option. That's a very good thing. Casio quenched or I could say that if it's like a during question, None AGA. Ok! So, my friends, I talk about this all the time, like my my female friends and my mail friends all feel that this is true like that that men in New York and in cities where my friends live, everyone can actually feel these market forces and we talk about them
and I hate them, and I often amounts I wish I were from. I was thinking the suburb that I'm from where most people aren't are not like me like a sort of cultural attitude or whatever, I think I'd be so much happier being there where I had almost no choice and were I would meet one person who seemed like I could be happy with them, and then I wouldn't have to. I feel the hardest part is the feeling of, like others, all these people who seem pretty good like if our shopping for a tv it be fine if everybody is clamouring for my dollar but lake by that sums, terrible, but like wouldn't when it's like your hearts involved, feel so bad. It's the ideas. Do you wanna be a big fish in a small ponder? Do you? I mean mission, a big bunch, just like the idea of that the search sacks, even if the searches like waited in your favour
Yes, okay, so a couple of things he and I'll be out here. One is if the technology is good enough on the dating site. You want a huge dating site that gives you just a very, very small fraction of the available people on the site, ha so think about this. Think about. If we tried to put everybody on one dimension, which is of course, the kind of oversimplification that economists get made fun of all the time for an that's fair but just think about a boardwalk and at one end of the boardwalk is peep or who are completely incompatible for you for one reason, at the other end of the boardwalk as people who are completely incompatible for you for another and you are right in the middle of this boardwalk and then think of all the women, who might be in your potential in your mouth it has being evenly distributed along. This boardwalk were the ones who happened to be right next, you are perfect fit for you or very good fit for you in the ones at the extremes or not. Well, obviously, the more women on that boardwalk, the better you are, but if you don't know exactly
where they are on the boardwalk, then the more women there are the more problematic it s. So if the technology is good enough to show you hear the ten women who are really close to what you're looking for that way better than going to a city where the whole boardwalk has only ten people right, it's easy to play there. Or field of that boardwalk, but the chances that any of those women would be a good fit for you, are not nearly ass good. So this is what we call a thick market effect and it does have the opposite problem: that thicker markets lead to more costs of screening, the all the potential candidates, and if the software can do that, for you, you would you'd be better off. I mean: do you feel, like the software does a good job that so that's how I feel
so whether you are a street man in your twenties, like Peter Vote for a street woman like Alley red whose pretending to be a very different kind of straight woman or if you're, gay or, if you're, in your fifties, like Paul lawyer, your hopes of meeting the right person are very much dependent upon a series of algorithms, that doesn't make you nervous. If so, we can help coming up on for economic radio how to build the best. On my dating profile ever, isn't it a mistake that- and I want to suggest the following- that you fill in detail, keeping in mind two ideas that are very port in an economic, and why
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dating site. Okcupid has section called my details where you can fill in all kinds of fact about yourself, or I should say facts in quotation marks, since you can really break when everyone you fill in your ethnicity, body tape, diet, religion, income, astrological, sign the pets, you love or hate. The economist Paul lawyer, the author of everything I ever needed. No, but you cannot mix. I learned from our mind dating told Piedra, vote and Susie. Let him very that there's a scientist filling in these details and that sometimes too sometimes you might want to lie as a discussion about people Why all the time online and I never would advocate lying, but these were to where I thought, if you want to signal to somebody and I'm nothing, should the or serious and ready for a relationship longer term you might either not answer them or shade eggs
exaggerate a little or whatever term you I'm so worried about what is going to bed now now they're not big deal, but you said you space out quote all the time: oh yeah, that's So you might not life if you're looking for on his thinking about who's gonna be the father of their children. Oh yeah, that's a good point. Let's put him back in is that why you and my father, I mean kind of honestly lake. I would here's here's the thing I would want to date to an even if it were a cash,
or where our they were like. I would never want to make a human with this person and the other in said, you were quote attracted to dangerous situations, yeah. That may be true, but you don't. I M not suggesting you but go back and give a false answer. I'm just saying you don't have to answer ever I. There were a few questions when I filled out the Okcupid questions. There were few, I just didn't fill out and I'll be honest. There were a few, were I check the box that I don't think it was entirely truthful. What I checked, such as in some of the questions asked you how into deep conversations with your mate an cuddle Lange and things like that? You are
I may have made myself- seem a bit more accessible and all the men from an honest first said would say so. Paul lawyer admits he fibbed a little bit, but that's because some of the signals inundating profile can come across a really strong. If they send the wrong message, it might be better to turn them down a little bit. So what kind of signals was Pga vote sending out? You want to read what you have in your mind. He tells you have that in front of you. My details, high is fight. Had your your body type is jack. I think that that is supposed to scan ass, a joke. I say don't smoke as during socially, which is stretching Lobo protracted more than socially, and it says that I speak English. Ok
I look at this and I think this guy's was looking for a good time like he's not taking. It seriously. Has everything the joke young up thirty ago exactly As an economist, I don't have that. I want to suggest the following: ok, you fill in. Or detail keeping in mind two ideas that are very important in economics and the related. They are statistical discrimination and adverse selection. So, when people look at things in your site, they're going to make assumptions about you based on them, case statistical assumptions. Ok, a simple example. Looking at your thing, is you have many sort of jokes flash statements about whiskey and other alcohol consumption, and maybe it's fine if you're, just looking for the hang out market,
any. Is this guy marriage, material market, the drinking and then the fact that all your pictures or an extremely casual attire waits either. I shall dressed up pictures. Hell. No, I think if you want to show that you're serious and you're ready to settle down We should consider having one or two pictures that show that now the other, to keep in mind here. Is there are certain things. Women want, especially when it comes to set. Settling down when they're starting to look for spouse material. There are certain things. Women definitely want in a man, and you can't fake some of these and that's ok, so one of them is they they, like rich men here, and you know I don't know your family background, but you're the public really think she's, probably not what what they're looking for as far as rich goes. But that's ok, so you just have to accept that yeah I mean I think I don't know
Alcohol thing gives me pause plaything for the most part. I think I know and its actual- I hereby dating is, I think I know what I'm selling like. I think I have a firm idea of lake, the kind of person who is probably going to like me. I know what a superficial level, what details again like about me. You have to keep in mind the distant and between somebody who's gonna like you once they get to know you, which is the most important thing you're looking for, and somebody Going to be initially attracted to your profile, I'm gonna throw all economics Ok, please do what you wanna. Remember in your profile is that you want to be very up front and forthcoming in anything. That is what an economist will call a coordination game. It's where our
Sir aligned, and as long as we have the right information were going to make the right decision. So, in my case I was very up front, improve and forthcoming on my profile about the fact that I had a large and badly behaved golden retriever and the fact that I had to teenage children, because if somebody was against those things, then that was those words deal breakers and in Europe. If you want to be honest about the fact that your public radio producer, because, on the one hand at the very attractive to some people, but it also indicates you're not going to be rich in at least in the short term, you don't want anybody who wants you just for your money either, because you don't like those type of people or because even if you do you're, not gonna get them once they have. The information anyway, but the beauty of that is You still have plenty of time to learn that you have time to experiment, makes mistakes, and then you have
the time for the reasons we talked about and be of this very thick market of available women where you live. So if you make some mistakes early on sure your heart I'll get it can you be crossing for a while, but then you, to recover and learn from your mistakes in it. Allow work out happily. So in case you're wondering as I was wondering whether all of Paul lawyers dating advice is worth listening to. One thing I want to ask is: did it help him get? Well, it did he found his significant other. On J date? So naturally we want to know if lawyers advice worked for Pga vote to a few weeks after they talked, I asked Pga how he changed. His ok profile. So generally, the sense I got from talking to him was that it came out offers like a flip, an alcoholic traded, diminish
that so I cut, I think, one reference to drinking K, which one I think now I didn't let us forever, but I know what I did was I answered. He said that I should fill out for more of the questions. The basic questions about me: did you change your photos? Yes, he's told me to put in a picture myself like more presentable, psychic a picture from a wedding. Can I say: yeah yeah, that's really good, but also its really cool about this pictures. It's you in a suit, looking grey, surrounded by four women raids that their sort of like an implicit like licit? We all stand next, what's wrong with you and ok. What was your it was a solo shot before and although he kind a little less lack garee yeah. I also add enough. This is this was a better picture of my dog, which felt like to the spirit of his advice and a bunch of old Ladys. Has that a case here we ve, oh, my God, You'Re- can
so. This is actually a perfect mere in a way of the other picture of you at the wedding, with four young good looking girl. Now here you are on a park bench in what looks like Brooklyn her, yet Brooklyn you're on a park bench holding a dog, not just in your lap but in your arms like you say, I have so much love to give. I have to give it to the dog because you're not here and then there are for all women, surrounding you, looking as though, ah, if only I were forty years younger, this would be the matter. I dreamed or if he were forty years older, yet exactly Pga. Also tweet is profile a bit as pull your suggested. He tried to highlight some of his best attributes. Public radio, like relatively
fine, not defer ass does not give good teeth. Thank you. I should actually be yeah. Well, no, no, I think that's a three let the picture do talk and bright, but the weird thing is your sort of delay echoes what I mean. Look it's hard for me to say, but I would think that if I were a woman in any guy who talked about like, if he's listing his teeth as an attribute survey, it feels vain and be it's like. If that's what you must review, we read the less, isn't gonna be very long, but I'm just saying as an aside, you do have good. You know. Thank you. If you like, an apartment being like we have a saying, we have like a working single papa You have a thing. So how does it work out for Fiji in the years since we first releases episode, he met a girl on Okcupid. He also now hosts Podcast called reply, all which you should
do after he finished listening to this. Now it's easy to get lost in the details of online dating and fail to appreciate what it represents which is a new and theoretically improved way for one person to take a look around the seven billion other people on the planet and try to pick the right. One comes with its own problems that through sure, but the strengths of online dating are very real, especially if you aren't a single straight man living in a big big city, a thick market with an over abundance of single street women for certain thin daddy market. I think it's revolutionise things just
offers, is an economist at the University of Michigan. So I do think it's a really big deal for young, gay and lesbian men and women in otherwise homophobic areas. I d souls are very big deal in the jewish community J date here on my jewish friends, talk about being under pressure from two made. A good jewish boil go, but that didn't haven't bay everywhere, but there are eleven shady and I imagine this is true in other ethnic communities and certainly its enormous easy to match on very, very specific sexual preferences. So whoever you are an whoever your looking for welfare says the internet has turned dating upside down it used to be. You would find compatibility first and then learn more about someone else's attributes, and now you see only attribute and then you want about compatibility later for an economist, it's very seductive to believe that more information makes these things work there and
I guess you know. I haven't seen careful study to be shared as to whether these high information marriages, her wedding, ought to be more stable, a package of measures on the next week and I'm afraid you, if I wanted to commit the perfect murder, not get punished at all. How would I do it? He had probably a pretty good way to do it without getting caught in some places. You can hit a petition.
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