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204. Nate Silver Says: “Everyone Is Kind of Weird”

2015-04-23 | 🔗
America's favorite statistical guru answers our FREAK-quently Asked Questions, and more.
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carefully, but had a budget. My time need silver is America's favorite statistical guru of the past, but maybe ever he has been devilishly accurate in predicting electoral outcomes that he joined the small but influential fraternity of stat heads who work with data and sports particular baseball has written an excellent book called. Signal in the noise, which is essentially about the folly of prediction, and today he is our guest on the latest instalment of frequently asked questions and which we compel a noteworthy person to tell us some important truths, such as their favorite Fort IONA Bowling? I suppose you just how devoted they are to their work. I don't even always watch The union, for example, and put you, learn about life as you get a bit older animals from lessons to me about
adulthood. Is that everyone's kind of weird I'm happy from W and my seeing this is free economics, radio, the pot casket explores the hidden side of everything. Here's your house Stephen Governor. What we do on the show pre simple: we ask questions cope with a sword. You might like to ask, and we asked them to the sort of people you might like to hear- from meat silver. For instance, he is chiefly known as the proprietor of five thirty eight doc yeah. So the kind of elevator pitch is that five. Thirty eight is data journalism. The promise which get past the first
five words and it becomes clear that more comical, Kenneth right, you know, but really we think it's it's empirical analysis. Cordon quote the scientific method, Why did journalism, but it's entirely compatible with traditional reporting approaches to, but the is just it's kind of. We believe There are still some that are under used in journalism, including computer program, encoding, Cisco analysis, of course in particular, and we think that journalists could benefit from having more of it these days, five thirty eight covers a lot of territory, sports, the economy, pop culture, but it is politics, especially political elections that make up its foundation, that is where the site got its name from the number of votes in the electoral college, which determines who wins the presidency of United States. I started just kind of it in a blow.
her dot com blog back in and he does matron. Campaign, then kind? It blew up Two thousand eight my license Senor times from He turned twenty thirteen and then it was acquired by european after that I'm kind of a big poker. lawyer and I played in the world Series Poker a couple of times. Never done extraordinarily well, but two, culture world series of poker when there are like seven thousand prince, you have to get really really lucky a couple of times round in a kind of feels like in two thousand, and again in twenty twelve, when a couple of really big pots and key circumstances when things get broken against me during those elections, silver compiled rolling and demographic data from many sources, aggregated waited analyze. These data forging predictions that turned out to be remarkably accurate.
So you know, sometimes I feel like I'm playing on house money a little bit, but I am also trying to turn that into something moors in a bowl one and in a building the staff of really talented journalists and really great people, and its kind were mostly focused on right. Now. We spoke back in early March when needs overhead two things to celebrate the one year anniversary of five: thirty, eight on european dot com and the paper bag publication of his book, the signal and the noise, the foremost congratulations. Does it feel like a time to sit back and appreciate yourself? Are not really there The problem is like you, can't really stay still whom we have like you know, March Madness, this man, and then the UK election coming up and so yeah there's you can kind of be content, they're, happy, but kind of not both. At the same time, I found is one of the third country.
So being have a lot to do in kind of being people's boss and stuff. Where do you find people that fit your worldview, because your worldview? Well, it's pretty popular in some circles, including, I should say, the circle of people who listen listening a show like this: it's overwhelmingly popular, certainly not quite mainstreaming and, furthermore, its new issue. But how do you find people that you think will fit? I mean I think, one one Sort of problem we have is that the skill set that we're hiring for is a place where people will have a lot of options. In addition, the journalism. I tend to into the notion that there's a the United States of Stem town Then we're hiring from that pool a little bed, but still You know there are a lot of organizations. These relations are trying to be more data. Driven You know a lot of college programmes are training, people and Coding and computer programming and statistics ambition to journals was part of their curriculum. So
it's getting better overtime. But you know we do not feel like. We have more idea Since then, we have the capacity to execute on right now, but it's also a part of being a start up and having one acquitted people on board, and let's say you find a perfect candidate at ten perfect candidates who are all the perfect data nerds who are really good with the math and the statistic and even have good taste, but dont do journalism at all. Is that more account too bold, then the inverse, I'm sure I mean, I think, their lot of parts of being a journalist that are hard at each other than through experience you know one of them that we noticed our people have. That may be something, academic lack is this: is it sir, how other people see the world? So I'm not I'm not sure it's been. Our period so far that that one skills
is easier than that. Neither to teach obvious allow the workers collaborative to we may have someone has more experienced in getting on the phone are travelling somewhere and talking. People in someone else's more burst in the number crunching. You are the perfect person for me to ask this question of in the last. I don't know three hundred and forty five, you the phrase big data has become so used may be abused. it's a really has become acquacheta in a pre short time. It's used in corporate advertising slogans and so on in and to me- and I may be totally wrong in this, but to me it's it's received in some quarters as a sort of magic bullet night. I agree with with almost all of that it's kind of one of the themes of my book, and there are a couple of things TED to unpack you. No one is the term big data. Itself, and there are some people who would say well, big data has to be really large, not the sort of stuff crunch on on on the computer enough, for example, we
launched interactive recently where looks at a different way of looking at which flights actually get you there what's the best airline for logistics in. That relies on data from six million flights. That sounds impressive, but you can still run that programme in about about ten o clock. Minutes on on a laptop bright people with. with its big data when all those records are pretty carefully scrutinise. But that said, people think when they say big data often mean analytics really. Testicle analysis applied statistics it's not all about the data necessarily oftentimes, about the amount of data you have, but how much you vetted that data if a data, is virginal, as I call it. No one's looked at it before really you can have a lot of problems and one prime with a really large data set as that, if you're running some algorithm, some quick and dirty way to find the most influential they points. A lot of times are bugs and outliers right
and the reason why you have big anomalies, because someone coded Enron or or you made some mistake in and the analysis you know. I also There aren't necessarily the skills and the training so willing. But my book is how, when the personal computer became commonplace in the workforce, nineteen. Seventy is then in the home and early nineteen eightys. It took a wild where there were any tangible signs of productivity gains in the economy, meaning like ten or fifteen or twenty years even so I think people love new technology, but they overestimate how much of that kind human factor, gets in the way and are trying to be killed about. I mean that people need to learn how to use tools what they can do, what they can't do. You know no amount of data as a substitute for first scientific in France and I bought this testing in kind of structured analysis of a system. I think one of the false promises. That was me early on- is that? Well, if you have a billion data,
answer. Trillion data points, you're gonna, find lots and lots of correlations through brute force and you bill. But the problem is that a hyper each of those. Maybe the Majority are false, correlations false positives, where their sister significant, but but you if somebody lottery tickets were you can run analysis on on a trillion data points that you gonna, have some one in a million coincidence has just by chance alone. Value money on them, you might went up looking very full in the end how's five, thirty, eight wing, I guess overall editorial, but but also from a traffic in business perspective. We know whenever there's a webbed, He was high profile as yours, leaving the New York Times for ESPN there a lot of noise, but then the noise receive Then, I'm curious, are you making boatloads of money ES piano they having mega buyers remorse because you're so expensive has at working. He know In the first year I mean it's, a pretty young staff and a lot of people were doing what they were doing.
First time and the expectations were pretty high is so kind. It took some time to to hit a groove. I think As you know, I try MC analogy sometimes too, to opening a new risk where you might have a lot of ambition for it. But to reproduce something every day. It's very much. We, after the first day we published, which was marked seventeenth, twenty fourteen The kind of all got beers after work and we really eased and we'd, like literally or at least I had. I will buy my we're dams, yeah, I'd forgotten that crap. We have to publish this website every day for the rest of our lives right, but in so doing they kind of consistency takes a little bit more time. But you know, if you are there: get kind of indicators. Amene traffic is up about about two times year every year at all happens when you launch a product, but it's good. It happen to us too. Were growing our staff in a slow, but sustainable way we have done in a twenty five
the people now, depending on how you count state would do more things Hence I mean in this period here in a kind of early sprang. Where watch me, Damone Airlines in the eye and say tournament in the UK election in a historical perspective, an mba basketball, so four or five. in addition to the work, were doing from day to day so that success. Thus notwithstanding at the New York Times, five thirty eight, which was a much much much smaller operation, then that is it yes Pm five thirty eight was more essential, certainly to the New York Times website. Then five thirty is too ESPN, which is a sports behemoth. What's the difference for you being, you know now, Europe problem, and I dont know what size fish in a really big pond at the times, where a prominent and gigantic fish in a big pond on which, about I know organically
maybe even surprisingly to you, but it did happen where you were driving so much traffic, you personally with a couple colleagues to the New York Times website. What's the difference now for you psychically in editorially, it's funny I mean in terms of an we, don't obsessed too much ovary traffic rights, but the election day peak was really high at the time that the people figure site and median month, we now get in a five, six times more traffic, more visitors than we did at the time. So you know, I think sometimes people grasp wanted outliers. If we want to talk about us, invite thirty eight, so s p m. When it signs a deal with the sports legal BNP at eight your deal on. They literally won't be contemplating technology. They don't even exist yet the thing about traffic now is that, you can measure so much in real time. You know I appeal to say: hey: we want to publish a story that would maximize page view right now, we would say: oh there's been an alien invasion. Writing
Obama has been kidnapped and beamed up to Mars, and everyone on the internet would look at story for about five minutes and then no one, hopefully, would ever read our side again. There's no metric. Yet for a kind of what's the long term value that you're generating from a stupid art I'll. Let you post today to get a lot of page views. Are the loyalty develop with your customers? So we saw some baseball a little bit where for a while people were able to measure, often really well and not defence really. Well. So the sloppy conclusion there is that we can measure defence. Therefore, it doesn't matter well, it turned out. people actually found better ways to measure defensive ability Now to matter at least which may be more in the conventional wisdom, had held so weird we are aware of that and that you know it's some You can judge with metric some things you can't in it. That's a tricky part of the media business. Now. How long do you think you'll do five, thirty, eight four, fully for the foreseeable future means is? We have a big election coming up in in twenty
sixteen, but people when their when they're taking jobs, terrorism is gonna, be an organisation that that builds and grow a spur for the long term, my imagination, or has ESPN, loosened up on talking about sport scam. which traditionally the NFL among others, has been really nervous about what it feels like this past and it fell season there is more discussion on European, about letting lines while welcoming grey, MA am, which is our sister brand and Bill Simmons amid they ve always talked a lot about sports gambling. In I mean look, you can kind of sea the examples you site that I don't think he s p. has too many hang ups about it? the leagues increasingly especially the NBA, have you were hang ups about it to but One of those weird things that Americans are pretty puritanical about coming up for I started by thirty eight. I make a living thing poker for a couple of years
so you know they knew what they were getting getting into in Munich Gambling and bedding is very important in markets to wear. That line is drawn, I'm not quite sure. You know that, meaning that saying hey go Gimme! Your biggest picks, but we get no push back at all from Our bosses are from readers when, when things are framed in that way, what do you think will be the first of the four major sports leagues too? who have a franchise in Vegas In a nutshell, this kind of matter question the image shells actively pursuing sing a team in LAS Vegas. You know I'd, say: the NBA, since it seems more gambling friendly. They had a believe and also our game or two in Vegas like the next most likely, I'm not sure baseball where you need to turn out of thirty or forty thousand people eighty one times a year is as in an area where, where it
population isn't that high necessarily I dont think baseball has become an event in the same way that an MBA game has fur, for example, when I questions was when even when you can have the first major political convention in LAS Vegas, because you think hey it's a swing, state. You could not have more hotel space They are especially in the mid summer, but I think I think both parties- There are terrified of what might happen implications of the story. God can you imagine the prompt bets so much for night. Yeah, maybe not, if I may be, I'm sure, the libertarian do lots of fun things and in LAS Vegas Banal. Democrats Republicans yet
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from W and Y see. This is for economics, radio, here's, your host, Stephen Dublin, today we are talking, need silver he's the editor in chief of five thirty, eight, not come author. The signal and the noise and, as you are here soon would be curlers sport of growing seriously. We are now about to subject silver to what we call our frequently asked questions in the past you ve, tried this with Forest Johnson, the mayor of London. He planned to make this a regular feature, but this is the first time that you ve tried it on some guinea pig. He did it with Kevin Kelly that now algae maverick idea of theirs. More boring them here and now it's neat Silverstone who would you say has been the biggest influence on your life and work and why
I guess I mean here not so much personally but professionally. So maybe it's the intellectual influence. I mean I admire deal James Lot, for why did with baseball statistics in part, because he was Way way ahead of its time. I mean you, know, kind of proceeded they ball literally by by twenty years or thereabouts, plus because he's a good, communicator and Canada humanist at heart right? no he's not just interested in six cystic sake, but but how their use to can invest life and our understanding of sports and other things with with a lot of meaning. Instead in that wasn't operating at the white hot centre of either statistics or baseball or media for that matter. In quite the opposite know, he did not jump on on him. Hagen right, he kind of jumped. Into the row when there is no bandwagon approaching at all and maybe got run over a couple times and then another bandwagon now, what's one thing,
You spend or have spent way too much on, but don't regret and rises, answer that question out sounds like I'm talking about money, but I guess spending could also be time I mean I, invest a lot of time in a lot of money in in eating. Well it one of the things I think in market, like New York, where I live, really rewards effort, where, if you spend the time to try to laces and sometimes spend the money other that's great cheaply to New York. To you, I just fine that it's a product where, where it's a fun, way to experiment in and something where you have to eat every day. A rights you might as well? I put some thought him to it at what what's your favorite food. I know your partial debate, those, but they are favoured or their money I mean I Are you die particular like mexican food, these food and and
in food. I kind of sea is as being pretty iconic. You know, I'm part because their cuisines that emphasise our pretence, really it's kind of fresh and simple ingredients. While the time as a pole, This is the kind of french classical tradition. Where I think there's some I was trying to kid. dazzle you with with adaptation in and style, so elegantly simple, those cuisines! I think what what, in your view, is the perfect burrito. So I went to a place called lighter Korea in San Francisco, which one are first shall breeder bragging dear, and that was that was the best best burrito I ever had. What kind of retail job so it had Teresa but was kind of cooked. It was called Dorado, stuff, else it's kind of golden Brown on the outside is kind of. You know it's California, so all the produce is really
Irish and ingredients are perfectly mixed. There's that kind of lumping in a bunch of guacamole, where it shouldn't be and what so I'm gonna of both artistic achievement, technical measures escort very highly half of what is one story that your family always tells about you, when I was nursery school or precarious. One day decided just count number, This is to see how high I could count that was pretty insistent about had got the like two thousand or something before my pick me up. Tat afternoon and they realize then what your future contained. Yes, I think that was an early sign, what you collective anything and why I used to like baseball cards when, when I was a kid imperfect, can I kind of collect books and have a pretty pretty significant
bookshelf they're gonna keeps growing over time. One thing of things about writing a book, as you probably know, is it. You get sent an awful lot of books to and keep most of those ones. Your son urge you start to tree. I still have an issue with thrown away it's car giving away. Maybe by throwing away now favorite book or author unite. we often talk about Daniel Economy in thinking still slow was kind of just, I think, really great overall kind of modern guide to thinking, if that, if that is a little too pretentious or two precious, rather that's one matter books, good choice, favorite music, artists, bands, singer songwriter, I used to be really entered. My buddy valentine in college, this kind of shoe gazer, post punk bear it you know a cell, but I think music, maybe one of those things where it gets frozen
in time. A little bit were kind of the fever bans I have now at thirty. Seven, the same when someone is set at twenty twenty one favorite sport to play. You know like too words I know bowling. I suppose my partner actually owns a boat ball? I bet you're insane alley ball, eyeballs, not Mcgowan, Alleyne early there, because I thought you know I've. Never. Curly really wanna go curling. My partner halves, in time to to capitalize on, like that. Frenzy, which was when I miss. There will be four years well there's a kind of cultivation, affection for the sport of curling, which grown up and Miss Game with Katy and television on all the time. I appreciate but maybe it was to have some hideously expensive planned for. Leah curling, rink in central Park, a man just having such good like design and pr around. then people would realise at which is kind of a very elaborate inside joke.
Let me ask you this: don't you think you have the creativity and reputation to go to Donald Trump and say: look woman rink once it's up that's up all winter and you could just cause well a nice little curling under what you call a curling lean. Would you call it that the area where one can say good. Yes, I think it's an alley writer a ring, there's something I have no idea. You know I think you're Donald Trump kind of carefully read what we word about him when he was clinical running for President two thousand eleven, probably wouldn return. My phone call, ok, so sport, if you're famous part to play official answer seems to be bowling? Is that right sure we'll go we're both, but what's the highest very bold? I think I got like when eighty one time, which is not good for our highest ever score. No, I was with leather whence he built to twenty two, which is me now, but for a few pins,
he was close to perfect, actually an end. This was bowling can cross lean like wrong way for right, hander with it like a twelve pound ball with didn't curve at all, and he just he just through a very, very, very straight repeatedly kind of like an automaton, and it was were convinced. He was ready for the senior pda after I've tried to figure out what the relationship is between bowling in and beer consumption. It's kind of a laffer curve, I think, are something right but like after, like one point, eight beers, I think you're and pick bowling well, although you can probably identify the peak of that curve, a little bit more easily with bowling than with laughter curve. Now does anyone really know where the latter curve beat? I not me mirrors the curve, it seems to me, but I guess you with bowling there some complications where you probably warm up. to the lane and feel a little bit better if you have to do a control to be another. Five hundred and thirty eight thing tell us something that most people, even if they think they know quite a bit about you, don't know about
so I was born on Friday. The thirteenth I've been thinking about trying to formulate like a kind of Friday. The thirteenth birthday club Organization or something John Wall Shoes, the former president of European, Think was at least it also Janeway. Thirteenth birthday, I think, was afraid of the thirteenth too, but you know from the very beginning. I guess there were some kind of something slightly cosmic about about numbers in me. What is one thing, that people seem to know about you. That is in fact not true, I feel nervous interview, but I think people think that I take my. we more seriously than I do you know me for some reason when you, when you're associated with numbers in and data, you know and look There are other places out there where, where they can be little bit pedantic, sometimes but You know I'm kind of a little aunt I established then still aunt, I authoritarian it goes back a long way and we try and our newsroom by thirty eight TED to have
a fine in a poke fun it at one. Another You know to see the reader as a peer and not someone who you're, educating and It does no he's come through. I think in kind of how power five thirty eight or how kind of my career is portrayed, you are just a few Geller, burrito, loving wanna, be curlers, who bowls once in awhile and drinks, yeah I mean you know it's it's pretty normal and in some respects and completely strange and in other respects, but that's one thing you learn. What must prevent lessons to me about adulthood. Is that everyone's kind of way, What's the biggest upside of being well known, I mean you know. Sometimes you get I think
slightly better service at restaurants mentioned food before right where you know what I'm ahead. A waiter granted me off that. Oh someone, I think she was on our first day in the job is like she was like my magic enemy occurring, I'm supposed to treat you well, I guess you can a very liberal minded and explicit about, I would imagine if everything that happens there's a hundred times that that it doesn't happen. Potentially, but you know it might perfect where they would be like kind it you know in fluent, shall without being famous if that makes any sense, I don't mind if I get recognized out somewhere payment by which follows lot when you're on tv, if you're on TV will have like a half life, people recognize you but that how did I get a vast? Isn't it really? It's really fast, because by seven days later they ve seen a thousand other faces, and yours is I'm starting to recede its. but you kind of on the hedonistic treadmill. I guess where each point becomes normalized pretty fast right
like okay. So now you know every eighteenth time I loud some will say hello to me and it's almost always friendly and and it's a nice it would be jarring if they had never happened to you before, but you know they also get in environments where so so. You're ago I went to the Vanity Fair, Oscar Party wage, realize at like there are whole orders magnitude of fame that I you know I am just like totally by us. and of course I nerd celebrity you just worked by you know. Some people are point, has birthday monsieur like twenty thousand times more famous and you get any room like that in your I kind of literally famous person there and its it's kind of fine to be a fly on the wall again. What something that you believed for a long time to be true and then decided that you'd been wrong. Oh gosh, isn't it Keith is a tricky question Armenia, a little bit of a kind
gets into the critique? We were talking about a bit about big data earlier, where we're gonna thought well just be quantity, and then that's better categorically equality when they will solve all your problem. I still believe to a very rough approximation I'll need to be more quantitative, but but I think it needs to be a much more account. Structured investigation of the data, kind of realising that someone the challenges when reasons kind of bedding and markets are interesting. Is that when you have a belief that kind of differs a lot the consensus than that's a very complicated place to be. We are more than two years out, but I'd be an idiot not to ask you if you today had Tibet a thousand dollars with lets me, which, if you're so the New York Times you and be allowed to bet with me, I guess you could now. Presumably who's gonna be pro in two thousand sixteen well
I dont know that anyone has more than fifty percent chance. You know, I think plurality, fevered is is a pretty easy question, which is Hillary Clinton figure to it. Fifty fifty eighteen approximation and fifty fifty in the general election, which is probably about right? In these circumstances, she He is the dominant contender for democratic nomination and where the GNP field is quite split, so she you know she would certainly be the front runner in that sense. Does political data analysis start to bore you after while a little bit, but I think I'll be reinvigorated by train Sixteen so so mid term elections are big. Let downs relative to have fun presidential. Years are twenty ten happened to be super same because you have this very large pelican wave that had very tangible consequence as far as present Obama's Billy, to continue to enact in effect his agenda that almost had come- a presidential type storyline to it
terms last year were, were pretty doll. I gotta be honest. They were interesting. For me, forecasts standpoint that there were some uncertainty about the pole said and which party we win. The Senate, by don't expect any problems like then, and in twenty sixteen have at least one really compelling primary you know we should have a close general election if Canada how cottage industry the covering Hillary Clinton. it's sort of a field of of one. So you know, that's relief. And in some ways the presidential primaries are much more interesting and in some it's kind of a better design process? Then the general election, in that you have to perform well continuously over time it requires more organization. You can't get hot and one day it's like having to win seven game series instead of gray set of german game right, but it sounds like you, and maybe I'm wrong in this budget from this conversation from what else I've read of yours just sounds as though sports is more,
fun generally than politics. Are you like sports? More than you like politics is as as shallower characterisation that is yeah. Look. I am really into a kind of election data, but I'm not like a fan of politics per se. like I dont union, you didn't collect political cards when you were a kid, in other words, No, I didn't gonna take joy in in. I don't even always I'd like to see the union, for example, whereas how much do enjoy. watching and spinning income are going to sports games. I think in some ways the fact that I'm that kind of it- I am a politics geek right, but I don't love politics. I think that's helpful. Potentially I think in Washington in Dick dollar there's a lot of reverence for the police. Our system that leads to less criticality in cover leads, I think, really to two people sometimes lacking perspective. Which stories resonate or not.
Some one interesting thing is the timer. According this there's, a big controversy the over Hillary Clinton is email records, there's good reporting on that excellent reporting and the New York Times, but you have. Some pundits who are saying all this is a huge blow to her courtesy. If you a bidding markets and how these in the UK now from the? U S, ones were shut down, but Hillary Clinton, but in winning the nomination was election haven't budged, one bit, I'm not! I'm asking you. The markets are right. It can be slow to pick up on on information, but the scandal that is considered to be a huge deal by the political press. Betters are a kind of saying this is literally nothing at all, and so I think People don't realize that things that are great reported, stories right and deserve to be. You know, I believe, in transparency, government and everything else right, but they might lack perspective on on what things people outside of the proverbial cocktail party are really talking about
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when Ba championships, five euro, the best while championships. To end c h, championships for international basketball, federation, world cups and four olympic Gold medal. I would think that, in order to be the player you are, you would have to be a person who acted gets better under pressure rather than worth, while. Obviously there are people who are known for hitting big shots are known for playing well in big games that exists for sure, but I think we kind of frame it there, anyway. It's not that you're gonna make nine out of ten. It's that you might make three at ten but somebody else is making zero its I'd, whose mode successful it's like who's, the most successful, the least successful that is people mostly admire you can find it on your favorite podcast app subscribe now, so that you don't miss single episode,
hey there, Stephen Double again, one more thing. If you like for economics, radio, I think you'll also like the latest episode of people, I mostly admire the podcast hosted by my free economic spreading Co. Author Stephen Here's what it sounds like a guest today, Sue bird. She collects championships she's for W Nba championships, five euro, the best about championships to end C h, championships for international basketball, federation, world cups and four olympic gold medals. I'd love to talk about the economic the professional basketball, so the average player in the NBA made eight point three million dollars into doubt the nineteen and in the W Nba the average with eighty thousand is frustrating just now, I think. Actually, if you look,
at twenty twenty, our minimum is now higher, but we all but in the same amount of work, so is it a heart call the swallow, knowing that somebody else's work is being rewarded at times by I live in reality. I understand business and economics. Some people look at us, as like charity like oh, will, help them out like an it in a terrible. What sense? Not unlike this business investment way? Everything do look at us as an investment immediately its talked about how we don't make money and it's like fifty regarding the NBA did either, but people are willing to make that investment get behind it and growing people I most we admire, you can find it on your favorite podcast app
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