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You heard on this path cast take us. Henderson near employ you outta. My name is no call and I currently living Columbus Ohio monitors Andrew I'm, a high school teacher from Sidney destroy my name's coal Donaldson, I'm from Saint Louis Missouri. My name's cookie Chandler, I live in Bend Oregon and I work for big company that helps people lose weight. I was out jogging, I guess late last summer and I was losing the frequent comics and you had an episode called a better way to eat, It was about an uncompetitive eater and I love this really would be great. For me to use for my meetings. So I went home and I Listen to the episode a couple more times and I made notes designed my three meetings that weak based on this episode.

To the meeting- and I told the story of Cobby and how he became a competitive either, and I and how do you think this applies to what we are going through? Tranquillise wait: the room Iraq today immediately got what else I can about. They were talking over the top of each other. They were so excited about it and I thought wow. Isn't it amazing and I run that a skinny, japanese guy who smash the world record for hot dogs. Had something to say that would help a whole bunch. People are trying to lose weight. I wife and I are actually kind of homeless right now, because we are travelling around to all fifty nine national parks in the? U S over the next year and one of the catalyst for actually jumping This crazy adventure was the upside of quitting podcast

It just help me realise that there are opportunity cost. Do everything and we I need to take this advice, sure, because there might not be better opportunity for us to go out and one of our dreams, which is visiting these parks over the course of a week in the middle of twenty fifteen, I played a section of the think, like child forecasts toward the students at each as a teacher. Students Torpenhow. They don't know what to do can't university, because their parents want them to the message in your podcast was so important. I have to share and the mother of two children and a working mama that so I have us, sure old daughter and I have thought long and hard and spoken to her about all, he's a feminist issues even bought her biography

Gloria Steinem and again she six years old, but have a two year old son, and I had never really thought about how to talk to him. That I needed to talk to him. Any differently, then, perhaps would be now, so my husband and I about it and When I heard and Marie Slaughter talk about raising our sons differently, it really sort of put a light bulb on over my head and so now I've been thinking quite a bit about how to talk to my sign about becoming a good family person of real participant in family life, because of the economic cycle. My jarvan started my company so just about a year ago, I graduated my masters. Degree in accounting was workin for big Paramount DC. When I realized I didn't really like the work I was doing, but fortunately, around the same time it became pretty. I would for economics listener, where a real,

Is that what I was really passionate about was understanding and including human behavior. So I took the obvious next step, which was too my job and start my own business, where my livelihood depends on understanding people's behaviour and really allow that so, I guess you could say how you want Stephen, no problem bred in coal, Andrew Coal and cookie. I also like that the weight loss person is named cookie. Let me introduce you now to NED, Brooks ok, hello, NED Stephen. How are you great. How are you a nice to meet you most area thanks? So much for for doing this, I mean doing interview but doing the actual deed. I was a very easy The dew networks is sixty five years old, I live in, Norwalk Connecticut, I'm semi retired after a couple careers saw on Wall Street and real estate he's been married for thirty four years three grandchildren, one day last year, Brooks was in his car

and we were listening to your podcast about Alvin Roth, the Nobel Prize winner and economics who created a model to trade, indivisible items without the use of money, and I think he was talking about houses at the time. But it seems too, work very well for the kidney chain as well? The episode was called make me a match. Al Roth was describing how he and others created a series of algorithms that helped match people in need of a kidney transplant with potential donors, this is about exchange. Called kidney exchanges, don't have enough supply. Of kidneys. Available list is ever growing. Number of kidneys available for transplant is pretty stagnant, you're healthy enough. You can remain healthy just one? And that means if someone you love, is dying of kidney disease. You could give me kidney and save his life if you happen to be a match, if you happen to be a match and that's where kidney exchange comes in,

and I listened to the podcast with growing interest, because what came through to me about the power of the kidney. Gain, as somebody with a business background is the concept of leverage that were. Altruistic, daughter and altruistic donor. Someone who gives a kidney without having anybody particular in mind receive it, and it provides a lot of options for people who put these things together to start a kidney chain and that results in a sequence of of transplants. Thicken affect allowed people now, hedge. Who ever considered giving a kidney before them. No, no, I did not and you what was it about the message from our often that podcast that either kind of alerted you? What did you learn? What changed your mind that made you start to think about not well defined

said that we have two kidneys and we only need one now did you know that at a time are not really? Yes, I did know that much. What I did not know is all the benefits that accrues to on who donate a kidney, the process is lengthy. Terms of the amount of testing that you go through to do so by wait. You're saying that the medical tests were the benefits clarify here absolutely looking at you, you get many thanks. Of dollars of testing for free. Can I just say something I think you and I are fundamentally different people, because if I we're gonna get several thousand dollars worth of something free, I would want it to be in a golf something fishing boat, not medical tests, but tell me more about your your great desire for this. Well, you are you gonna, do not succeed at sixty five and knowing annoying that all your organs are free of any contaminants is very reassuring thing. Actually, let me be clear: it wasn't really all the free medical testing

Brooks Wanna become a kidney donor. I think this is something I have to do. It required. Some discussion with my wife that day in the car I spent one restless night, probably about three. Hours, trying to understand what my own motivations were and if they were the right ones to be doing this, and once I put that to rest, then it was a very easy thing to do. Did you decide immediately to become a nun directed donor, meaning that your kidney would be available for anyone who needed it, or did you think about trying to help someone in particular, great as it would be to help someone in particular, I didn't know anyone who need a kidney and in fact the left- which comes from being an altruistic die? You can't start a kidney chain unless your altruistic about. Let's say I need a kidney and my wife

willing to donate or someone else in my family is willing to donate, but they're not a match their, not a physiological match for me, but they would Doni a kidney of theirs to someone else who is a match? They then entered the chain correct, so called him CUP allay and coupled bees in the same situation, as is couple c d down the line, but then there's this wild card ex. That's you this guy, who comes in who doesn't have any one who needs one who just wants to give. Is that make you much more valuable? That makes me valuable because it allows the algorithm to extra mise the length of the chain and kick off if you didn't have the actual sick donor to start you'd have to have a perfect match and trot. I'm one worker in my hands on doing this, which is a lot of arrows pointing to people who all work out exactly the same. Talk about the procedure working with the hospital and talk about

but how the relationship works so that you were not made to feel that you're being pressured sure in my case, the operation down at New York Presbyterian and I chose near Presbyterian because they do a lot of these operations, and I think, with any search surgery like this. You wanna go to a place that does a lot of and an saws recalled people with their record. They ve never lie. The donor, yet they provide you with two advocates and those advocates are there to protect your interests throughout the process, and you go in for testing. You do it through Europe, you go in for psychological testing, physical testing. They want to make sure you're financially able to do this, because of course you cannot be compensated for a kidney donation. To what degree did they push back? In other words, to what degree did they try

I actively to discourage you, or at least I make you, take a step back and think it through a little bit more. They didn't actively discourage meet those psychiatrist. Probed quite a bit. But after I seem to have satisfied her on the answers that was the end of it with they will do as they will not come after you to keep you coming to the hospital for every procedure, that needs to be done. In other words, they set the time and the date for your next point and they won't call you it's up to you to make sure you're there that's interesting here and at no point did they catch on to the fact that you are just in it for the free medical testing, actually actually, yes, the doktor I spoke with their said. This is a little known secret, but the testing is so good that everybody should at least start out to be a kidney door and find out how their Tesco, That is a secret that I'm guessing. They really don't want Iraq as I can. I can see it

an army of you know: senior citizens flooding in there for their test. Only so you know, I think, I'm going to hang on to the side, to the other kidney and then talk to me about your family's response. Was everybody on board? My wife is supportive. As I said, I have three children one was very supportive. One was sceptical and one was opposed, and I guess that's what you get when you get three children but the sceptical one and the one who oppose turned around once they felt like they got a lot more facts about it. It's a very safe procedure relative to surgery. In general and in once they understood that. Then I think their reservations went away I understand you wrote a letter to your family when you had gotten pretty far along in the process by then you'd undergone some of the testing. Yes, yes, do happen That letter handy. Actually, I do have it here. If you don't mind giving that are either be great sure of this,

letter that I wrote my family when I realise its is what I wanted to do and I wanted to inform them all at the same time, so I sent them an email and it goes like this are, as you have commented upon, I've had a number of medical tests over the summer. I did not fully answer your questions about those, because I wanted to wait until I cleared all the test. I'm happy to report that I'm about as healthy as is possible for sixty five year old mail to be back in Bring us listen to a free economics, podcast about a man who won the Nobel Prize and Economics for constructing a model of a market to trade, indivisible objects without the use of money. He was there. In about houses, but it turns out that the model works very well for other things. His work had been used to create an extensive network for the matching of kidney donors and recipients. The more I listened to the pod cast, the more fascinating became as I learn that

just one altruistic donor. A person who donate without a targeted recipient can launch a chain of kidney transplant sticking numbers highs. Forty three book with a national kidney foundation and learn more about the process. A registered as a potential donor began extensive series of tests at New York Presbyterian, which have now concluded with me, been accepted as a kidney donor. So why am I doing this? Many of our friends? quinces have had their share of health challenges recent years it is mightily. Frustrating to watch the pain and suffering and be unable to reveal any help. On the other hand, an imperfect health. I have no need for a second kidney, and I appreciate that my actions may greatly benefit the lives of not just the recipients of those kidneys but their entire families. With but be in too much of a stretch. My one wholly redundant organ could potentially change improve the lives of hundreds of people. There were five thousand three hundred fifty five kidneys

has plans from living donors last year and there over a hundred thousand people on the White list right now for kidney. The operation several hours. They start about three and in order to catch the morning, flights around the country, particularly LOS Angeles Ella, does more transplants any place in the country and New York. Presbyterian. Does the most Easter, the city. They will have me walking that same day. I should stay two days in the hospital I'll be uncomfortable for two weeks and fully recovered after four weeks. The operation is laparoscopic a single decision, the abdomen I've been working hard with much later on my apps. My advocate tells me that, because I am blood type of universal donor and altruistic donor? I will light up computer screens across the country

they list me tomorrow. I am happy to report that mom is fully on board with this. I could go on for a while, but I think you have the picture. If you have interesting hearing the Pike S inspired me, you can find it here and then I note the frequent Alex page and the short for economics blogging the subject here. Let me know if you have any questions, lovey, all that the left kidney that Brooks needed wound up launching a three recipient chain. I knew nothing about my recipient until the day of the surgery. What I was told that thirty seven year old Females in Denver area and that she was very varies an unlikely to find donor any time soon and that this was a real one in a million match

do you know anything about the cause of her illness ended that would that have matter to you. If you did know no, I didn't. I had no idea look you're, not getting paid you make it. Thank you might not get. Thank your doing this for your own set of reasons. Was it important to you that that person appreciate those reasons were appreciate. You or did not, really work that way for him. This is where the leverage comes and fears that same question in the initial stages. In a little bit different way what they ask as if something happened, to your recipient help, Sir you're going to be quite frankly. My answer was this is multiple people who were getting a transplant because of what I am doing and afford, doesn't work out, I'm terribly sorry, but it's gonna change lies for all the others. So NED you learned, but about your recipient and from what I understand you ve been in check your received a letter from her that rate expressing her thanks. The way this

boxes. I go through my advocate the hospital writing a letter to the recipient that goes to the advocate at her hospital to her. Then she chooses to do so. She comes. Back to me with whatever she wants to say and then through the advocates, I go back and disclosed my identification than she does that back to me. If she it's too and that's the way it work to weave, exchanged emails and I've gotten Christmas cards were failing and so forth. So you haven't met with her or spoken with her by phone. I have not met or spoken with their no ok, so Here's the story. I believe that if technology has served us well that she's on the other line right now Daniele from Santini colorado- oh my God had not spoken to her yet also be great Daniele. Can you hear assesses Stephen Dublin? I can hear you guys it's that I now hurry hurry, then under great.

God gave this is exciting. Roses were excited grid, hear your voice. How you feeling I'm telling guide filling real good lately had then been a struggle since the third way, but I'm I'm doing good lot better than I was for you and lots of moods yeah. Unfortunately, I have to be on a tenement reply. The risk my life he Daniel. This is When can you tell us a little bit about what led to your need for the kidney char sure it off our data and October? Eight thousand fourteen? I had received a call from my doctor thing that my blood work had come back a guard on my regular doktor just today with having a severe headache that wouldn't go away, and so they did somewhat work. They called me the next. They said you need to get to the hospital immediately

and they were hiding. My crianan was at a twelve and I had no idea what that was, and so I went to the hospital and I was immediately hospitalized fur, the next fifteen days, getting biopsies and memorizing plasma freezes. Dialysis in getting all is to put in my neck and tries to adjust our happened so fast and to this day they still don't have any reason. I am. I happened three weeks after I had my son. But they don't want to see to it that they really have. No answers are quite as I happened to be, and what was you're a guess prognosis did they think that you would survive and what was your prognosis forgetting donated kidney? Well when they almost half the lives and they had no answer? There was functioning a small part, but they they said that they were. They were failing

but they had hoped and they really had no idea what was going on with me that they would kind. I kick back in and restart themselves, so we courage as well I started dialysis and everything, and While we are waiting for the next couple of months, I actually tried acupuncture fer you no organ treatment specifically for that and I was trying everything I said you know, I'm not gonna, wait any longer for them to restart Iberian almost transplant. Now come January of gelatine. I started the process of getting on the transplant, listen starting and what were you told about how long that would likely take you to get a don't need a kidney? What came back that I have Anna bodies in my blood from blood transfusions that I had during the hospital they shouldn and then from having children. They said I create all the Hannah body, so it made me a very rare, managed Bert. I wasn't amassed anyway.

Family, and so they said because of my rare antibodies. I could possibly be on the list by the six year so that the kind of range they gave me back in January, two thousand detain. Then I was looking at by the six years being unbalanced, How long was it before you heard that there was a donor, Well, it was heavy. A may of two thousand and thirteen that I started getting word me and my father. We decided, since I was having such a hard time. Nobody my family match with me. My father really wanted donates on my behalf, so we heard about the pair donor programme through the hospital.

And he wanted to donate his guinea on my behalf. So is player on. May I have the feeling that we started the chain process and I had several chain lined up throughout the summer of two thousand and thirteen, but the cat falling through doing duty, like scheduling and with some part of the chain. You know tat falling through I had many chain wind up throughout the summer, and it was finally in August that we found a yes men will map to and we gotta surgery data that summer. Twenty second in Canada haven't really quickly from there we Laguna looks. What's it feel like for you, NED hearing Daniele talk now, she's, obviously in a much better situation today with your kidney and then she would be without so what's it would set feel like to hear her

other and align its emotionally very powerful. It means a lot a great deal with their own travel going to die out at last year. I had two days or hours of treatment three days away. So basically took fifteen hours out of my time every week and I would go and to abolish the summer and the first thing you do you get checked in and they do your blood pressure, your way, the temperature they go through. You know every all year sentence that you're feeling and there is really no privacy. When they're doing that, I mean the next patient. Five from their chair you're? Talking about all your bodily functions that are not well for you, with all the medications you're taking in everything and this little bit it takes away a little bit of your integrity, haven't a view that the publicly and then it's a sit there for four hours doing nothing. I can't get up. I can't move

Let me just sitting there you're watching your blood go through this machine and really really depressing, and it was hard for me. I mean I cried the first couple times because I sat there and I looked around and I was the youngest obviously in the whole, building up thirty seven years old, and I was only one driving myself there and it is just a really hard and depressing Heinz. This pen, today. It was really hard for me to do it because I had three small children of well its remarkable. You say you were crying men now you sound so strong, you know NED'S on the other line blubbering there, I'm holding together still its imagined. I return. I talk about my hair fell. I'm curious. You said that your dad head enter the donor chain did he end up giving a kidney and if

So does he know who the recipient was he and about giving his Kenny Are we really know is that I went back now to get over. There were not as an we not heard from the recipients on that, and I have a copy the the letter that you wrote two year donor its unclear to me whether you knew exactly who ned was at this time. It begins to my wonderful kidney. I don't even know where to begin. We have already started to cry sigh K. I have either of you and autocratic. Okay. So well, then am towards the end, you re just to let you know you're kidneys, doing awesome. And I'm already getting my energy back Daniel. What's it like to have this guy nets, kidney inside of you do you feel hole

and do you feel different? You know it was amazing, because the very next day after surgery, I felt incredible, I felt one hundred percent. Never I didn't sell any the symptoms, but I was having before the illness and the ninety and anxiety and everything I was going to immediately felt better. My body felt better and yeah. I was eating and drinking the fears and liquid by was restricted to for so long, and it it's just like I do have the energy yet and it's amazing how much better I feel- and you know I don't know if he had in me- you know

I take that. How do you feel about single malt scotch you now? I have had the craving for any such as its funding, because we talk about that with my dad, because either cinema guards drinkers here and say that that present Valley Craven it now well Daniel. I'm glad you doing better, and I hope you continue to do even better get ya. Think You saw my lad. Thank you so much for everything you ve done for me and my family and no need for me any more. Thank you for being such a great recipient and we'll be in touch. Yes, we will think here: ok, Daniel thanks for jumping on the phone with us, but by right, but I got, Well, Med. How do you feel see, let's see what you ve done now I was shaken in here. This is really something she says: she's a great person

now I know you didn't do it for the thanks, but thanks my pleasure NED Brooks inspired by his own experience and the huge need for more. Can you donations he started? An organisation to help build more altruistic kidney donor chains. It's called donor to donor coming up after the break you here for more people have put for economics, radio to good use, but you don't have to outsourced, I'm totally fine with you using our show to help yourself. Nor do you have to give up a kidney to help our cause just some money so. Please show your support for economic radio by making,

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programme of New York and what they were doing to give kids more freedom. And, of course, I looked at it from a teacher with thirty kids in a classroom, relatively small classroom, forty eight minutes. You now, how can I do this with limitations that I have, which is to give kids more freedom, and so I tried something without really knowing it lynn- and I were both listening to Lhasa Podcast. So we started using these podcast to add a little bit to our class, but it didn't have the same effect as that we hoped We would bring an interesting facts and tell him a little bit, but a lot of kids we found it on the internet are founded Podcast They were not as engaged with it, as we had hoped and so one day when just said what are we to start a class specifically using podcast? I think from when we first decided to give it a shot. I made that first phone call to the Arkansas Department of Education in November of twenty twelve until we got it actually

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really been really great firm for us and if I could teach this all day, I would probably teacher another ten years, one of the most exciting pack ass we listen to each year is after we ve been the episode of how to think about guns, generally will have some kids in there who have mentioned. You're gone since they could stand been trying to write and they know how to use them. We also have students who have never touched a gun have some really really good debates and therein, but its very respectful and the kids are learning how to express their opinion, but to do it respectfully and they want leave that podcast general do they have a good understanding of both sides? If I can piggy back a little bit of what's got, he just said. One of the really high points in this class for me was, I guess the third came through, which was to follow it. Fourteen I had. A young lady senior girl

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W Nba championships, five euro, the best about championships too, and see a championships for International Basketball Federation, world cups and four olympic gold medals. I'd love to talk about the economic the professional basketball, so the average player in the NBA made eight point three million dollars into the nineteen and in the W Nba, the average with eighty thousand, is frustrating just now. I think. Actually, if you look at twenty twenty our minimum is now higher, but we all but in the same amount of work. So is it a heart? swallow, knowing that somebody else's work is being rewarded at times by I live in reality. I understand business and economics. Some people look at us as like charity. The goal will help them out like an it in a terrible what sense, not unlike this business,

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