What happens to your reputation when you're no longer around to defend it?
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someone dies, would say it's your mother and if all the unhappy things to deal with, you also have to write and obituary paper, here's one that appeared in a bluff small town, Pennsylvania newspapers last year Carol Fritz II. Miller Robertson, departed this world for December. Second, two thousand eleven from her belief, its second home in a Heap Mexico. Here, I'm going to let her daughter, Amy Robbers, read you the rest shall be remembered as an astute business woman, a rabbit historian, fastening houses and a balanced, creative she loved. her family history, antiques horses, the art and good gossip. Her emails to family were often unintentionally. Hilarious. Lesser typing was the body and typos incident and her type
I'm her type, those religiosity for you to say: ok, regardless Carol, wrote short stories and was working on screenplay. She was difficult mother and a horrendous mother long. She still be mast survived by her children mark Linnaean of then he shut and saying Amy just now, but I'm getting a anyway. I'm sorry, chirping is just one of the best at best it is one of the most unusual lines and annual bitter ass. She was a difficult mother and a horrendous mother in law, and then lovingly she will see. We'll be missed, so so, first all who wrote this obituary was at you. I wrote it, an end. Were you close with your mom are not particularly now not know? close at all it probably the last twenty years. I'd sooner maybe three time. All I see so I have to say first of all, I don't mean to Forget the obvious my condolences on your mobile thing to f. Thank him.
Second of all, there is the old injunction against speaking ill of the dead, and you did it that change you in any way kind of going against that societal injunction of speaking ill of the then I This is not the whole story. These few words are not the whole story of my mother, but there are words. I you know you think How you want to be remembered and and really that's my belief. is that when you are gone, you just live on in people's memories. So if, if lying in obituary or you're just glossing over everything and it just a list of names. Of survivors and dates, award you wanted and places you weren't you maybe allowing the person who's going to maybe leave the memories alone and quicker. So let me One last question
Imagine then that you're going to write your own obituary, You can write it now, knowing that you're not gonna die for a long long time. What's the one line in that obituary, that's it We went to the one line you heard about your mom. What's the difficult part of your legacy. wasn't nice to her mother from w and see an ATM american public media. This is Reaganomics radio, podcast that explores the hidden side and everything. Here's your house statement
so Carol Robertson was, according to her own daughter, a quote difficult mother in a horrendous mother in law and that obituary lives on online forever, how many online obituaries do you know host. many millions of about seven Forty percent of all Americans who die each day haven't obituary on legacied outcome. That's legacy, dotcom, founder, Snowford, Bartle and he's Ferguson Company C, o o their website adds about. Five obituaries a day, so you can find millions and millions of obituaries, including the one that Amy Iverson wrote about her difficult mom Carroll and anyone can leave kind of common, as you would on a new site or a blog posts, but here's it's interesting. Even for someone
whose own daughter called her a difficult mother and a horrendous mother in law. None of the comments and that a bitch weary are negative. That's not a coincidence. Its by design legacy dot com does not believe in speak ill of the dead. You can write anything you like, but it will not get posted if it does not meet our guidelines and our guidelines are pretty straightforward. We won't post, inappropriate immense? And what that means is everything from copyrighted were two foul language to really nasty things about the deceased. That's right because he dotcom weeds out the negative comments. Now software can help. Can catch vulgarity, ease and other key words. But this task requires he'll live. Human screamers Ferguson Embargo told me that, even though a very small percentage of comments are mean spirited. More than half of the companies a hundred and twenty employees are screens.
So legacy dot. Com believes that a legacy truly is forever in that, and be sullied by inappropriate comments. Even if the deceased was let's say a jerk, does it make sense? What should the legacy of a jerk be? That is the question we are. playing with today. Let's start by talking about legacy in general, let's start on the baseball bat the bird commenting born in Puerto Rico, when playing for the Pittsburgh pirates and became one of the best and most dynamic players in Pittsburgh was in fact in baseball,
my on your body in the final week of nineteen. Seventy two season, Clemente got his three thousand career base, hit just the eleventh player to ever reach that number. Overall, it was a great season for great pirates team. The came within one run of making it to the world series. Bob smile sick was sportswriter in Pittsburgh at the time He would never deny that Clemente was a great player, but well here's the butt Roberto was a guy with a myriad of maladies and and was called by sound hypochondriac now this is in an era. We may from way with the term gamer gamers a guy wants to play every day and back than ever
one, was a gamer welcome any in the terms. gamers. I knew was not a game where he was a guy who, even in his early years said the second games, double hunters. In other words, he was too tired to play. There a game of dollars, not always, but often believe me later in his career. Always so ok big deal, maybe when there was a mallinger, maybe didn't pull the door open for Ladys. I don't know the fact He ended the season with three thousand hits and the city of Pittsburgh like this. A lot Pittsburgh loves it sports more than Just about any other city. I can think of anything. One thousand nine hundred, and seventy two is that the Pittsburgh Steelers, the football team was also having a great season, and this was news. The Steelers pretty terrible for most of their forty years, but this year they turn it around even made the playoffs and the irony
was it the teams namesake the steel making industry with greater into tens of thousands of jobs were Van. The city was falling into a deep, dark bunk, but the football Steelers. Well, they offered some much needed cheer December twenty third, they hosted the Oakland Raiders in the first round of the playoffs. It was a close game, but the skill is we're about to win win. with barely a minute left to play the reader score to touch them, took the lead, the whole city Rhone with despair, but then Twenty two seconds left on fourth down obscures Steelers rookie named Franco, Harris caught deflected past and he galloped into the unknown, to win the game. It was a miraculous play. It became known as the immaculate reception into this.
Day. It is widely considered the single greatest play in NFL, so the Steelers now prepare the host their next opponent, the Miami Dolphins and who or one that game would go on to the Superbowl this new year's eve, nineteen, seventy two Bob smiling sportswriter. He was in the state he was a glorious day. I was in the stands. Watching the game is paying customer temperatures, I believe, run high sixties, maybe in the seventies killers last great game, I faked pan return and did them Everyone went home pretty unhappy at three five, six o clock at night and then six hours later, five hours later work began seeping out that there were things a lot worse than losing a football game. was coming out that Roberta companies play not only gone down, but he
this loss in the flight and indeed was dead there had been a serious earthquake in Nicaragua, Clemente decided to fly down from Puerto Rico, the planeload load full of first aid supplies and food and clothing. but his plain old and overloaded lost power crashed into the sea soon after take on all five people on board died. What's he died and he died. He was death mean there was. There was nothing there, s, no one ever said anything negative. Today the molecular that is ancient history, he was
a magnanimous person. A great gentleman, a true leader II, was given all these qualities that he may or may not have had. I know a little bit and he was a good guy and I say it was a dignify problem, but he was not a saint there and there are no saints walking the splendid are there are very few and far between, but but he has been elevated to Saint in Pittsburgh and I would certainly not try to dispute there, but he was. He was another issue. Is that a great great day player, who was a human being, Roberta. Clemente was essentially canonized in Pittsburgh. People turned out on mass to mourn him. Puerto Rico, declared three days of mourning the baseball Hall of Fame, Doktor Clemente the following August waving the typical five year waiting period for new induct ease his death was so dramatic, so noble
his legacy as a hero was set, whatever smile, sick or anyone else may have not liked about Clemente would be forgotten forever Baseball players, meanwhile, have the opposite reputation, who would you say, is the biggest jerk, whoever play baseball certainly if you ve ever anything about Tie Cobb, he wasn't, time, Jerkin, a really bad guy. When it was Charlie? Listen, I'm a writer in from New York. Now I'm working on a book about Tie Cobb, perhaps the most. Listening baseball player of all time, the most interesting Baseball player about him, so when I think of Thai Cobb, I have to admit to things, come to mind great, a great great baseball player in just about every phase of the game and man.
of jerk am I e, mostly rate somewhat wrong. Well, you know half way into my book in my project, and so I am in the process of discovering things, but more and more as a as I do, my research, I am finding a kind of a real live human being, who sort it doesn't resemble, either the jerk or or the or the saint, that some of the supporters we'll put forth Charlie. I have to say this is a little bit surprising to those of us who have been raised to think that tie. Cobb was one of the greatest baseball players who ever lived, but also one of the most inhuman humans who ever lived. I have asked my go to guy on matters of baseball character. That's my eleven year old Son and I asked him about tie copies. He reads a ton of baseball book, so here's what he told me about time. We said that Dumb Cobb was in the K K.
Kay that he had to stay out of Ohio for eighteen months, because he killed a black waiter in Cleveland, said the cops bit on fans when they Buddha anyone's punched, a fan when he got booed, he he always spiked opposing players Surely you are not calling my son a wire? Are you now what is very interesting to hear some of the things that he said because for them are rooted in some kind of historic call reality, but some in some cases the court is almost broken at that time too. Reality. You want to go one by one who are so that charges so KKK was takeover member. The cooks clamp. No, he wasn't end in nothing like it ever My son said the term Tie Cobb killed a black waiter that this is. Very interesting cases refers to something had happened: nineteen nine. When tie Cobb after dinner with the Georgian hey, I'm, the famous Broadway showman,
in Cleveland, came back to his hotel, had a scuffle with the white elevator operator, the White security art intervened. They wound up a more physical scuffle and I was arrested as a result of that but no one was killed and no one was black. I gotta think I'm not. As you tell me this Getting kind of chills is, as you know, as a journalist. seldom thinking, there's a jerk out there and he's got legacy there's a legacy of a jerk and your exploring his actual life pre legacy, you are finding that a lot of it differs with the legacy. So what's your response and emotion too that well, I'm traffic What was going on you, I'm in the middle writing this book and I'm seeing it as as there's something is going on here. That probably doesn't have too much to do exactly would tie copy. She suddenly excuse for it, there's a kind of this mass psychology thing and I think that its is self righteous field
That's motivating people to say to express themselves by saying I'm not a racist. I I I think this man is terrible and and I'll pay TIM is even more so in sports fans get together to talk about, tie Cobb and they talk about the horrible races, you're saying that's there bonding over the fact that they are not the, I can hear how I was gonna like what happens end up in prison when, when, when a child molesters comes in and all the other prisoners want to kill him to show that they are superior to somebody. But maybe there's something else going on here too. Could it be that we want to believe the worst about people? Ty conference since really was a racist and a jerk or if we don't necessarily want to believe things like that, are we perhaps programmed in that direction?
we might have read. Five hundred papers are more spanning. the thing from urges friendship for gains molasses house, there are about fifteen, different categories that we studied. And we see the effect very clearly and all of them, that's Kathleen Van marketing professor at the University of Minnesota some years back. She Co. Authored a paper in psychology journal called bad is stronger than good when P counter something negative or something unfavourable. changes the way they feel thinking, behave much bigger way compared to when they encounter some favourable, are positive it was our information, so believing that I called was a big jerk. Isn't that hard to do? Because you can be a truth, individual your entire life- and if you say one lie, you are now a liar like qualitatively your branded a liar here. an immoral. Even though
moral person, stun tons of moral things in his or her life vast, and Co. Authors argued that we have LT in weariness of other people, because you- and I will be here today if we Didn'T- have a psychological system that was hypersensitive to threats, dangers, obstacles and things that could potentially kill us think Are we tell our children come on into this van you? No, no! You don't just not going into any bands of any money. We think is a potential in that first is I've been to miss out on a fund experience with a family friend. You know that their lives are not that different right, but you go no one's strangers Van and you may never come out death, only to win once and life has to every day,
so we may be programmed on some level and to some degree to think the worst of others. But what is that thing? You believe, isn't true what if, for instance, Ty Cobbs reputation as a monster was kind of fictional considered in nineteen. Sixty thirty, two years after he retired from Baseball Cobb began on his autobiography with sportswriter named owl stump, Cobb very sick and he died ten months after the work began, but the bookstall came out with a pretty standard baseball memoir, told from causes point of view, but then just fine months later hour, stump. The ghost writer publishes his version of the Thai Cobb story in true magazine, stumps article portrayed Cobb as violent drunk murderer, pre different
legacy right. So the magazine article got stump a lot of attention, one sports writing award and it pretty much established the legend monster that my son came to know as tie Cobb than men years later, AL stump again writes about tie com this time a full length biography, not surprisingly, still paints a pretty horrific picture and then that book is turned into a movie with Tommy Lee Jones, playing the sociopath tie, com Charlie, listen, whom we heard from earth, you're the guy who's. Writing a new biography of Thai Cobb. He says the legacy Ty Cobb, was large, we shaped by one man now, It was thirty years later that stop got the idea to right just to test flesh that out that true article into a book into his second book about tie cod. Hi Cobb heavily critical, heavily critical and unjust.
Acting a man in his last days of life dying of cancer, tried it in a drug and drink himself into a state of some comfort and being and being cranky. It also went on, though, and told store is about how Cobb Bull wiped his son for exam and how Cobb in the in the present day. we saw mean and cheap and cranky that he would kids would Eight him letters asking for autographs or pictures, and he would not only not answer the letter to steal the stamp, and I love it yeah on every inch on every level. Stop knew how to paint this. This interesting this character, I want to radio passage here. This is from a M the Washington Post article about Cobb after the the movie and the second book came out so said, the boy is out in the movie will be showing that allow and now every
and his reminded for sure that tie Cobb was indeed a vicious, demonic, fiend who took to the ball field every day with blood, not his own in his eye and how he cut and ravaged and savaged his way to all those records. Nine The he put in baseball's archives of this surely is not just a jerk off the field, but a guy greater baseball who this article makes the case was great on the floor. Because he was a jerk or cheater or vicious or a monster of that just people, you know just typing. You know that that has nothing to do with thinking. or or history. You know. Let me too some about I'll: stop, though the Hall of Fame found out that tie Cobb die. A responsible, very valuable they had their possession was, was forged and the forger turn out to be after an FBI, investigation, I'll, stop stump would go out and buy things. A flea markets and and put
jobs, initials on them and seldom I wasn't around to defend himself. coming up on for economics. Radio cannot be strategic to act like so. He was a soldier. He was a foe journey, but but he knew how to manipulate not back, digitally jerk them and Do when you see a jerk and notice that you have a lot in common, maybe decide to change your life so now that I have this time discovered all these new things and others pride suggestion smell the air air fresh
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welcome back. This episode is called the legacy of a jerk. We were talking about time. Cobb, one of the greatest baseball players history and according to the standard biographies one of the biggest jerks who ever lived unless, as his new biographer Charlie, Listen tells us Tycho, actually wasn't such a jerk. Now athletes other entertainers. I would argue are different from you and me because the thing- Do the thing there known for nothing to do with the kind of person they are for the rest of us. That's not the case. My free economics friend and CO authors, Steve Levitt, teaches economics at the University of Chicago. I called him up to ask about his experience with jerks, so My colleagues at the business school at Chicago when you first
teaching the students can be very demanding and among their many demand was they were upset that the handouts he had given were not three whole plan. And so they raise your hand. They said professor. It really is upsetting to us that that the hand TAT three whole punch, and he said what are you talking about the hand out are not three whole punch, I'll be back in a minute walked out of the room and He was out the room around a corner type and on its blackberry and another professor came up to a most items it. Oh, I gotta go back to teaching and Why you are in the hallway, if you, if you would be teaching and didn't really explaining back in the room and he went back to the room and he said to the students I went down to the people who do the xerox sing.
I read them the riot ACT and I said if you ever fail to three whole punch? Another thing for my class, I'm gonna, have you fired and guy got some of the highest teacher, but any teacher ever at the Chicago business. So he was a foe jerk the foe journey, but but he knew how to manipulate not bad. Tragically jerked, I love it, letting your students think that you're a jerk to some face the Xerox, Ing drones in order to enhance your own reputation. This made me think of another economist I'm Robin Hansen, I'm an associate professor of economics. George Mason University Hansen spends a lot of time. Thinking about how people manage their reputations
I have many fascinating papers that you should be impressed me now when you tell me that we should be impressed by your papers, your ear to ear just coming right out and say so. there's nothing subtle about that's right and that that makes it funny. That is its exact one you how funny it is to be straightforward about the ESA and whether we are making it very over like that or doing and much more subtle ways. This. My all come under the big umbrella of what what's called signalling theory, correct or showing off or a signal, in theory, just fancy academic language for showing off. Then it is so jerk has a whole bunch of associations and I'm not gonna, think about it. They should probably be separated someone,
hurry, because every available area, so one thing about very successful people- is that their typically overwhelmingly focused on their career or therein their ambition or their their accomplishments, and that tends to great on people around them. Socially there. There will neglect their family and neglect their kids neglect of friends. Anyone high school accepted them neglect. Everything pretty much for the purpose of keeping this particular thing. So those are often the consider jerks. They don't organise Highschool unions, they dont Pineau pigeon. At these softball event on site that you want them to. You might think they're a jerk, because you you ask them to do things that other people are willing to do to pitch and for the community and they won't because they're so focused on their particular thing, sounds like you're thing: that's a kind of excusable motive. What might be conceived of is as jerk attitude, because there they simply have chosen to be very focused on something. What depends, of course on what they focused on
if they focus on something that we can admire than we do? Excuse it somewhat if their focused on something we do did my air than we off their a holocaust, an iron, their spending, free time doing that, and if that you might admire their accession in their focus, but not so much the net effect, you might think that will be better off if they weren't. So obsessed with that, and just where regular guy I so that's one kind of jerking ass, the hyper focus which causes you do shook off the regular duties. It would make you not a jerk what what else, what other kinds of another kind would be argumentative. So I recently re read a deal Carnegie when France and influence people- and he said basically never tell anybody- you disagree with them. Always that's I wanted to do was one of them. Many things to do, but it certainly one thing that will cut
Unlike our arguments, as you never admit, you disagree. Ah, you indirectly say things at most or change the subject etc, and there are many people who don't follow that rule for many people who will directly challenge somebody who disagrees with them and some do that better than others. But many people think that's a jerk. And let me ask you this. I just wonder if you have anything to say about how death will change the legacy of anyone, but particularly a jerk well dead
both are safer people too, like because they can change their mind and and embarrass you. So it's always a risk to endorse anybody while they're still alive, especially somebody who is known for flying off the handle in various ways, because then they could just do something that the embarrassed you and make you sorry. You ever endorse them, so one somebody's dead there safely beyond most for the most part, have done things that will embarrass you on the other big way to be redeemed as a jerk is for people to see the cause that you were a jerk for as something noble, a laudable soap. We are often tolerant of jerky actors, jerky directors, jerky musicians, jerky athletes,
Well, they were jerky in support of something that we might have. I don't know about you, but when Robin Hansen said these words, the other big way to be redeemed as a jerk is for people to see the cause that you orator for as something nobleman one particular person, came to mind rearing Using the industry milestone product Mackintosh appalling it. I found the eye I was lucky. I found what I love to do early in life. Was I started apple in my parents, garage when I was twenty. We worked hard in. Ten years applet grown from just the two of us in the garage The two billion dollar company, with over four thousand employees.
that, of course, was Steve Jobs, introducing some of the very wonderful products it Apple has come up with over the past few decades. In that last clip we heard him say king at Stanford Commencement and two thousand five talking about apple becoming Billion dollar company a jobs died at each fifty six from pancreatic cancer in October of two thousand and eleven by then Apple had a market value of some three hundred and fifty billion dollars, making it the world's most valuable company. Here's his friend and apple cofounder, Steve Wozniak. I am incredibly lucky to him, for everything in my life gets reputation for being a strong leader of being brash. But to me he was just always so kind such a good friend,
and I'm gonna miss a rash is a polite way of putting it Steve Jobs had a reputation for being a an almost unprecedentedly creative inventor, or at least a man harnessed and synthesized other people's inventions and be a world class jerk. Yes, he was brilliant, but he was also petulant, arrogant and just mean to people in a way nearly defies explanation, We started working on this book with me. He just wanted to talk on an arm which was great. Walter Isaacson is an author journalist and ceo of the Aspen Institute jobs, handpicked Isaacson, to write his biography, which wound up being published just a couple of weeks after abstained and we would probably for fifty times and sometimes
could be for hours on end, just riding the old neighborhood taking walks and I think you have been very, very private over the years and when he decided to open up he just wanted to open up everything. He also said enough we're being brutally honest with people. I want you to be brutally honest in this book: Steve Jobs, He would die relatively soon when he asked Isaacson to write his biography. So as much the writer we'd have a chance to shape the subjects legacy. The subject was being pro active in shaping his own legacy. You know that said, to reactions people never been in business or never been entrepreneurs and generally older people. first reaction is thus it in the first half of the book is boy. He was kind of a dark and he was here to deal with, I didn't know he had a job prickly personality younger entrepreneurs. People have been in business people and other things work. There
action is totally different, which is why this guy was a genius, This is how not that he was a jerk, but that he drove people to do things. I thought were impossible and I think the real business lessons and there were- actually lost. Some of the original reviews by people focus just far too much on his personality. Steve just didn't have that filter. He said You want me to be one of those velvet gloved people who always speaks with a silver tongue. That's not me! I'm a middle class get from California and if something socks, I'm gonna tell people. It sucks I am, Isaacson how strategic jobs was in his jerk attitude. That is pretty control himself to the point where he could turn off the jerk when he needed to
why they give you a job to people they end up, leaving, especially when they can, when your tough on people? but you allow them to be tough back on you, which is what Steve dead. and your inspiring and compelling, then they don't leave any body. a dark, and then people will just leave. But if you we'll get added. Q Phil Schiller Scott forestall The clock Johnny I've, these really a plus plus players who have stated apple for the past, fifteen twenty years and they but of laughter Steve were truly being humiliating to arm or jerk. So I think you have to realise that anybody can be a jerk. Would you have to be as inspiring compelling an inspirational? What am I If this is just a small incident, there's that you write about a meeting with a chip supplier where Job
stormed into a meeting and quote started shouting that they were told so that the business meeting this is- and this is the ceo of Apple Ear, I gotta find that strategy and had a wind friends and influence people. Radio, you note, as you remember the end of that store it worked out. They ended up deliberate, not only delivering the two and wearing honor, I'm wearing tee shirts dead, set on the back team FDA. For those words- and I did not know you could say on the radio. Well, you know its public radio, I'm just curious. What. Did you change in your life either as as head of the the Esben and Tudor as a writer, maybe as a husband and father as result of spending. So much time with jobs and writing about him. You know it's probably counter intuitive, but
Noticing how many people were sort of surprised by how tough of personality could be or that hails, all of which are on the record in the books. I hope they're not exaggerated, but their tails. There's none, sailed off the record, but when I heard all these tales about, how did you get mad at the desk clerk at a hotel or whatever I tried to make since I will never be as talented doing the Ipod or the Ipad that at least I'm nice every desk clerk at every hotel, because you know you you realize people do talk about that in that sometimes makes a big impact on people It does make, you wonder: will you legacy, will be we'll be there. kind of person whose meannesses expose wisdom, death. She was, difficult mother and a horrendous mother long or whose legacy is protected, the nature of your death. He was,
magnanimous person, a great gentlemen. True leader II, was given all these qualities that he may or may not have that. Maybe you reputation will be exaggerated, dragged through the mud Cobb. whipped his son was so mean and cheap and cranky or maybe you'll be kind of person who, even when you're called a jerk, is so revered for what you ve accomplished. Then even jerk attitude itself proves to be an inspiration. People. I read does to jobs, but pretty much today came out at brain more del he lives. Captain Michigan he's the founder and ceo of Software and computer Game company called STAR Doc when more Del read the Steve Jobs Biography, he learned it.
different lesson than the one he planned. I went into a thinking. I was picking up a business book and a became pretty clear that Steve jobs for all that he had accomplished variant regretted, not spending more time with his family, and it dawned on me that there is a whole part of life that he feels he had missed out on. That's when I realize will gosh o my son, my son at the time, was almost fifteen years old and and I couldn't tell you: I've been its high school and I can tell you in the name of any teacher he had ever had we're. Dell has three kids, but like a lot of entrepreneurs. He devoted a lot of his time and his mental energies to his company. He says he worked eighty two hundred hours a week for years. It was exhausted
When you read the Steve Jobs Book, he says it was like looking in the mirror and he did not like it. You know stories in the book has to do with you'd, go and see. What's going on in silence, comparing should say that's total crap, you should be fired and now- and I've was never quite that hard but there were days were arrived, go by and say that looks awful redo it. Here. When I started company. I was only in my very early twenties and I can tell you that, as someone with no training or skills are dealing with Humans- repeat your p. for. I was pride, the worse person in the world to be a ceo, and I saw that and Steve in the book were Steve. Jobs was often pretty mean, and I could rule unfortunate relate to that.
We're Del says he was so involved in his work that he has been to a grocery store about fifteen years we decide to change his life, he cut back, what most people would consider a normal work life about forty hours week? He was surprised to find out how much you ve been missing. So now that I have this time. I've discovered all these new things and I bought by your flashlights because they make a lady flashlight. So that's really interesting and different types of air, fresh, judge others products, it just change the smell of the air and now that he was spending more time with his family. He had to learn to not treat them lake please one thousand other problem at first. I wish we had meetings. a counter out sit up hourly projects for everyone, and we did
evaluations and reviews and stuff on. However, one did under chores and and when they had to write reports. That don't go over a well. It turns out people dont like them. So what else we learned that you can't run your friend like a business, and you can't run you business the way he was running it. If you ever want to see your family and it was Eve jobs who help teach him for Bread WAR Del
Legacy of Steve Jobs was do not be like Steve jobs. It wasn't that I thought everything was hunky dory when I read the book I why otherwise it comes across as pre melodramatic. It's more like there was the last straw, so to speak. It was a catalyst to Ashley goal and really pull the trigger. The big thing is a sad Steve jobs dying and realising that feel that he wasn't able to make up to his kids or to himself went to his wife, all things he meant to do later and at even though he had all this success in wealth and he couldn't save himself was really is in itself a big big moment.
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