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coming to the pod cast its Wednesday? It is because this always downhill from here so I mean around Here- is always down far as the week, where almost almost today's Wednesday, great podcast yeah, we talk a lot about. We have growth rates, innocent ship, tough, which, like that and getting better it's interesting, has been talked about as a political issue, but is the biggest hope enough, maybe unintentionally, an interesting discussion on the bright as to what the constitution actual pulse. There's people on the right who believe both things, whether it is both right and it is part of the constitution where you stand on this is I mean only. I need to know more information you can get into the debate here yet, but I would say I don't have my mind made up yet it's not something. I've studied a lot in the past is an interesting debate. That book I mean both sides are our have complete compelling arguments. The other part of it, I think is interesting is that the left is just to whatever they need that yeah right, like these data, in fact, in the nineties, they were all Caesar Chavez was be own immigrants up at the border and he's a hero. These here all leads amazing. Ok, so we're gonna talk a little bit about that. We have some. How will we stop? We also have a talk about tariffs that bad stuff- that's happening. Tariffs, don't forget. Also we go on tour. He s gone to her tomorrow, we're gonna be enrichment, then we're gonna be in her. She Pennsylvania on Friday, rage and Saturday in Crisper, Pittsburgh and Sunday in Cleveland, adult Miss and every we also talk to the director of a document are about forty bulging just really interesting. He died yesterday in prison after being murdered on the former mobster. Go into that story, though, that what is real interest ass? Well, so if you want to get tickets, go to glimpse outcomes, slashed tour, you want to hear the pot cast your already here. Peered is listening to its wind turbine thirty. First back, it's all hollows Eve its upon us now.

Is a terror more frightening, then anything that has ever been unleashed on our streets just lurking terrain? the corner, if I were to tell you that thirty One per cent of the population has been infected with this terror. Overhead hundred million Americans are out to get you. Will you ever know which one you can trust? to tell you can't trust any of them. One hundred million for crying. Loud one hundred million they're coming to get you? Who will shed light on this Who is it that will will open our fingers, because we're too afraid to look at the monster were too were too Afraid to look at

on students in and identify it well. Don lemon? Is that man? So we You have to stop demonizing people and realise the biggest terror threat in this country is why and most of them, radicalized brought out to the right and we have start doing something about them. There is no travel ban on them like us. There is no ban on you know they had the muslim ban. There is no white guy ban. So what do we do about that? We need a white man. Ban, ok, wait! We win, we need a ban on white men. I love this. Just play this again: we stop demonizing recognize its not period. We have sub demonizing its. We have Bob demonizing and recognise, listen to the beginning of this again, so we to stop demonizing people and realise the biggest terror threat in this country.

Is white, men took chosen at random most of em, why most of them on the right to I don't know if you ve noticed this but white manner, literally everywhere And there's no travel ban. There's no, I mean please, is if you haven't left the house yet have you checked your children, especially if you have a white male in the house, have you checked, your children, People who are friends with white people, can you please call the white wife and make sure or she hasn't been knives. By her. Her white husband. They're. All radicals. The biggest terror threat is white men. We should cancel Halloween. I dont know how we can even do this. We're gonna have we're just are we gonna? Have people just roaming the streets? Have you seen the latest halloween? Have you seen it Jason

A white man just walking the streets going up in digging dong, drinker trade. He goes in the back door, he's a white man. He just kills people. I knows really confusing because, as you know, the so many white men men are terrorists. The leading terrorist threat, but it's actually Michael Myers and hollowing owes reasons frighted another white. Another white man, though see I mean, imagine imagine. If all the white men Skies is middle aged accountants that have live their life and never bothered anybody. Just gonna! Let your little kids go to that housing. It can be weird road map Don Lemon God bless. Him has gone nuts he has it there's a few people that have really truly lost it. And they're, not even listening to themselves anymore, This amazing.

First, what one of most contradictory things I've ever heard. Let me quote again, so we have to stop demonizing people and realise the biggest terror threat in this country? Is white men don your demonizing white men here it from zero. Stop demonizing! Basically, dopey races to one hundred white men are scary. We need a white man ban, so demonizing racist thing, I've heard Can I ask you: what is the definition of racism? So what is the definition? Isn't it? Isn't it saying All people are have this trade if their power of this race yeah. Discrimination and antagonism prejudice directed against some one of a different race, based on the belief that one's own racist superior

that all members of each race possess characteristics or ability specific to that race, especially as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another. Okay, so that would be a white men are the problem, a guy I've never said that about Islam. All of the people who were Muslim are the problem. Would be wrong to say that white men are the problem were also eager to assign blame. How many of us were rapidly refreshing social media, hoping like hell, but the oh pipe bomber was someone from the left. Why? Why. Everyone on the left was doing the same thing, except in reverse, we're doing It because we want someone to point two and say get em. We

What somebody to blame see it's them, we're addressing the actual issues here. Why eight men are the problem, really I know I am so sick and tired of hearing what we did in the eighteen. Hundreds do you know the trail of tears. Yes, I know the trail of tears. It was awful, you know who did it democratic. President Jackson Ages, pick up all human being here? look our founding principles and turned them upside down. That's not an american thing to do. All you talk about? Will I got it? I got it. How about we talk The Japanese and seven, thirty, one worse worse Then the Nazis,

that saying something worse than the Nazis? they went in and they said the only problem with Mongolia is all these Mongols. Try to kill them all. They just stormed into China. Where was a white man they're speaking of China, about now fifty million dead? Was he led by a white man, North Korea. Concentration camps, where's, the white guy. Rwanda, Rwanda, where, the White Guy, there you see Don, it is not a race problem: It is a human problem. But nobody really wants to talk about that, because nobody's really looking for an answer. God almighty! Can we decide If we want to save this or not

Do you want to save it. No one wants to discuss mental health, no one to discuss addiction, drugs, loneliness disk, action from community decline of religion. The list goes on and on and on its all about yes, but which party did you vote for. It's easy to see why you here we are when you hear people like Don Lemon view this, and this is Don Hate. Spew this hate. That CNN actually has the goal all to call objective reporting. And to the over one hundred million white men out there. And forgets, which in a Geico CO, Save tons of money by never having to buy a Halloween costume ever again Because you're, the biggest terror threat in the country just show

then you're golf pants because I know what you want to do with that golf club- You just won a beat people to death, read a great wash, in posted editorial after a deranged Democrat living in his van nearly assassinated rub Republican Steve's gullies firing more than seventy rounds at house Republicans practising for the congressional Baseball game House. Minority leader, Nancy Pelosi declared it rageous that anyone, Would blame democratic rhetoric for inspiring the shooter quote oh dear they say such a thing, Pelosi thundered never mind that the shooter echoed democratic vitriol against the president ranting on Facebook. That Trump is guilty and go to pour, should go to prison for treason, and that quote, Tromp has destroyed our democracy it's time to destroy trump and company, now

Democrats are doing exactly what they condemned. Man, it is so easy to feel good student get up in the morning and know that I don't have to answer before I positions in the past because I've been consistent. Blame the Democrats for that shooting, I am not blaming Donald Trump, for this feels good feels really good scratch are doing exactly what they condemn. Blaming president trumps divisive rhetoric for the recent spat of male bomb attacks and the massacre at Pittsburgh synagogue. The truth is, seated, the moral high ground years ago, our d? And individually all began long before Trump and that's in their allies are as culpable as the president notice even said. This. There As culpable. They didn't say very Sponsible is their fault. Finally, somebody with reason assaying YAP, both sides

call that in two thousand the end, W C p spent millions on ugly adds a coup accusing George W Bush of moral equivalence with white supremacist, who brutally Lynch James Bird in nineteen. Ninety eight com My father was beaten, chained and then drag three miles to his death. All because he was black, said birds daughter. As Green flash grainy images of a chain dragging the body behind a pickup truck. So when but our George W Bush refused to support hate crime legislation. It was like my father was killed all over again. The Republicans doing that, are you demonizing, Look up demonizing. I just want to make sure it's it's a signing up, characteristics of the devil, no.

Barack Obama set the tone for his two thousand eight campaign against John Mccain when he declared, if they bring After the fight we bring a gun. John Louis Democrat from Georgia answer that call when he comes when he compared Mccain to this regulation is Alabama George, while Alabama Governor George Wallace and declared Mccain was replicating the climate of hatred and the vision. John Frickin Mccain. That led to the attacks on civil rights workers? For years later, a pro Obama super pack ran showing GEO P, vice presidential nominee, Paul Ryan, pushing an old lady in a wheelchair over the side of a cliff while another ran a false, add blaming Mitt Romney for a woman's death from cancer We must all agree on this. Because I was not a supporter of of Mitt Romney,

his policies are all screwed up. However, May Romney is a good guy. He's a nice sky He's not he's, demonizing Mitt Romney. They did. And when the when the left was honest for about five minutes after they got beaten by DOT by Donald Trump. I heard one of em say you know what we brought this on ourselves because we rejected and demonized people like Mitt Romney, yes, Yes, your eggs equally right. During the twenty sixteen campaign. Hillary Clinton compared Republicans to Nazis, saying regard illegal immigrants. They wanted to round them up and put them into box cars. So, let's see, let's see, let's see demonizing. We gotta stop with this rhetoric. Pudding into box cars. You're saying that Donald Trump,

it's going to around people up and put them into Apps like outwits, she, bear the GEO Pete terrorist. Just what Don Lemon did today. Now extreme views on women. We expect that from that we expect that from some of the terrorist groups we expect that from well, who dont want to live in a modern world, but its little hearted, take from the Republicans she listed the Republicans alongside the Iranians as the enemies she was most proud of making so press don't tell me about Donald Trump, calling you an enemy. Unless you are also going to point out that, maybe the other side should stop as well, because they both just stop, I'm not doing it. But here I sit down now what I dont know how to do my job anymore when trumped up

Office Democrats abandon their role as opposition and declared themselves. The resistance look up, the word resistance in the ox dictionary you'll see the definition the use force or violence to oppose someone or something. Professor political science, at University of Indiana, Notes the word resistance quote: first, surfaces in debates about A turann aside, the violet removal from power of misbehaving kings, who usurped authority not Properly belonging to them, Police would have been forgiven for pointing out that his would be assassin took Democrats calls to resistance, literally More recently, some Democrats were peddling the unfounded accusations that bread Cavanaugh participated. Gang rapes in an effort to destroy the Supreme Gordon Nominee, clear,

Defended smash mouth tactics, declaring you can't be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for well, I got ask you this. What is it we stand for. ITALY. What is it you stand for and dont use your fancy little political, all your folks. Group words. What is the democratic? What does Democratic party stand for. And, if you use their focus group, were well equality, justice and fairness. But what does that mean Redistribution of wealth, ray distribution of power. Forcibly what does republican Party stand for I dont know. I can tell you what I stand for.

I can tell you what I think the vast majority of american stand, for. Men are created, equal women endowed by their created with certain inalienable rights, and among these rights are life Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But you have a right to freedom of speech nobody should be able to shut down the press, but you, the right to assemble with whoever it is. You want to assemble with you have a right to petition your government. You have a right to protect yourself. The government come in and just say, hell. Yeah, by the way we're just gonna live here, you can't come in and tat, your phones go through your papers, be forced to testify against yourself, No cruel and unusual punishment theirs more, but rights that were not naming they belong to the individual and there's some powers to those

he's belong to the state the bill of rights, that's what we having common, that's what we stand for. That's what will bring us back together no one wants to talk about that. Because that's a solution. That's a solution, You know what we started this country, we had a group people in Congress that want a solution. We we have that now we don't have to in the end, we are growing further and further apart to where the people are even looking for a solution anymore. Well, once you ve got that point you're done this is the best one by programme, pad. I dont know if you ve seen the latest.

The environmentalists, who you know that they they care about. You know they care the animals there they care about the planet. They care about everything they we really should kill our pets now because we have this compulsion dispute to seek out annual animal companionship. It is one of our primary factors affecting our climate. Prick equally in the United States, where there are one hundred and sixty three million companion animals roughly one tat for every two Americans highest number of any country in the world and those one hundred and sixty three million pats, have a detrimental impact on the environment from the food they consume to the waste they produce, so the ban, thing we can do, is killer euthanize, every every

of our pets are about you, but I care about the planet. I'm willing to dual I'm willing to humanize on unwilling to get rid of all them. Follow the cats get rid of all just the cat yeah yeah. I think so we seem to be of an anti cad. That's why I'm asking? Why did you see also that the cats are responsible for killing over billion birds a year, yeah yeah, so the other bad for the environment to six billion small animals. But a billion birds specifically, and for those who see that extinction of their any bird species. Now there was a vet. There was a new story out. They talked about the predator that it in your house and it is a cat and they are killing birds and billions of animals, billions of animals and we After we have two euthanize the cats and I'm willing to go there, I am tube First of all,

I've got a theory about cat owners, and I in I do too. If you have one, worth monitoring gaily it I think you can have one, but your family should notice. Yes, yes, I don't want a mile or two you start monitor. Yes to you should have to register the school you should have to read. You know you should have to register with maybe local law enforcement. We should just know where you are at all times at all times at all times, if you have three yeah, you gotta be institutional. Oh really, I was socialized see. I think I more than three is when you need to be destroyed Why spend the money on in two years? right. You shall right now, you're crazy, something's gonna happen, never he's gonna, go you run away, not dead in the cats are going to do anyway, so it ain't we might as well just so you'd, devoid all that yeah.

But I think you're right tat people are disturbing. They really are as Germany. Can you do all this with executive order? Do you need to get legislation now? Are we really fine from an executive order, yeah, yeah, yeah, so trunk unjust, this, should assure you still got the patients like he can with the executive order on the morning constitution, executive order. I mean. Having can ask you Helen? Where do you stand on that executive orders path, We heard this repass was a lively and places. Yes, we talked about this yesterday, after we spoke and that it's a pretty good case, made by a lists the I'd say: none at all: we, U it birth the case. We need a little piece of it here and went out with this,

that's what they meant and that's right. It is yes. It is interesting that there's two sides of it among people, conservatives among conservatives, which is why these others types of issues I find most interesting is the case for very little piece of it here, and we also this out at world, was do as well. If you want to hear and be able to view evil dismantling quickly cause, I tend to scan but it's? It's interesting. It is coming from a conservative original list, who felt that you dismantled this quickly. Oh yeah, ok, how you you don't feel like you did not give him a gateway, you're, so you'll James Madison, said it is an established maxim that there is a that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force, sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage, but in June, oh place. Is them certain criterion. It is that applies in the United States. It will there or be unnecessary to investigate any other.

It goes on to then quote this is, though, this is Edward Bates President Lincoln's attorney general way where we can. We separate these two because the first one is James Madison hard to take it apart, Missus James Madison right. However James Madison, I think in this particular case James Madison, is it Looking at something different he's, not looking at the weather, you came from Great Britain are not correct. He's not talking about people were coming in trying to drop off to be able to take stuff, organised or bring the whole family. I born of the colonies, were you born in great Britain Correct and they answered that two ways. If you born here, you dont need naturalisation. However, you also have to be born here to be president and that's what they were worried about. They were worried about these English coming in at

this out for size. They were worried about the English coming in and just saying: hey, I'm I'm I'm american I'm living here and I'm american. So I can vote because they knew that if all these english people came in, they would change the country. That's why they didn't want an a foreigner, as president is well. You had to be born here, so they we're trying to protect it at that time for the English coming in and screwing up the country with a vote, which is what we're deal dealing with now. I agree with that. Although he saying, if you're born here, you are you do it corrects because it was a day. It was a different time and a different problem.

And I say it like as much as I love dreams valid and I love the founders. It's almost less important what they thought about this particular issue, because it was an amendment to the constitution right, we're talking with the fourteenth amendment on they do and that's why you have to separate James Madison cause, that's not constitutional. He didn't put that in the constitution. Without put in under Lincoln and ends now go to that because that's a different argument as well- so we ve is now Edward Bates as President Lincoln's attorney general. Ass? It in a pretty this is again a few years right before they do the fourteenth amendment the it incorporates the language and is this is from the arc of national view properly understood of codified Attorney General Bates Contemporary understanding. This is what he says. I am white clear in the opinion that children born in the United States of alien parents who have never been naturalised, are now

if born citizens of the United States and, of course, do not require the formality of naturalisation to entitled to the rights and privileges of such citizenship, is in their more. That is the end of quote. I thought there something else too about. Maybe it was in James Madison that they had come in the proper way or something I thought I heard that earlier today, but The Abraham Lincoln thing is just the same. Remember so we're gonna constitutional thing, because there wasn't a fourteenth amendment. Yet I know he's writing this is this is the beginning of it, and so the first one is: how do we know who is citizen is because it's almost all well, it is at that point all immigrants except those who had come over the Mayflower. Or had their relatives come over before so is very small number. It was mainly immigrants, so How do you know who is an American? Well, were you born here that was

That was the question of who is an american at that time, because it was mainly You know people from England and they were worried about the English coming and so you're born here you're, a citizen you can serve. You can vote starting again, pretty serious german influx too. Yes, serious german and they were free by that the The second thing is with with Lincoln he he's trying to solve a different problem here, owing to solve. At that point the day, literally the Democratic Party, this is their first attempt before pole. Taxes- and you know moving the polling place and all the crap that they did the fur thing was ah well, you know you're, not you, ok, you might be. You might be assessed in, but your kids to your kid weren't slaves, so Kids, aren't citizens he's

they're trying to say, stop it stop it you're talking about the slaves, the slaves are free, their citizens and so are their children. The have you have to look at the thirteenth and fourteenth amendment four it was talking about in what it was trying to do. It trying to say to the Democrats, see a pit. These are human beings, and they are citizens, be fascinated here. These two sides talk this out because its it they're both come from the conservative perspective. It's not like you know Chris Cuomo versus somebody. You trust where these are both sides of the argument, a really their interesting. I dont because think you're right so, but sometimes that is because that is there What they were intending right was chattel slavery. However, sometimes you that is, that the also there are now unintended, but intended

consequences where you would you would absorbing larger group to make sure that one group is there is no way. The intent is that if you come here from Mexico, Central and South America, as you have a baby and everybody who does that is now a citizen's right away that with our russian tours now that if you try, needs to India and take you to Miami the Russians, no to Miami. You stay here for a few weeks, you have the baby here. You're York dear child as american citizenship. Same thing in Hawaii, with the Asians, big in Hawaii, but probably also big in California. That's not what they we're talking about this, not at all different problem. It think that constitution, the first ten in the bill of rights, though our Universal Bowser Gigantic, so, when somebody says a bill of rights, well, is it in the first ten

because the first ten are global. Pretty much with an exception of new ideas, pretty much. The very the rest of them are a restating of the first one where they had to get very specific and say no dummy women. Women are part of all. Men are created, equal women can vote same thing with black in the thirteenth Fourteenth amendment. There they were specific. Where the amendments are very broad, the first ten. What did have made sense for them to think that in Dallas, Texas, United States of America at Parkland Hospital. Seventy five percent of the babies born there are boring. Who illegals and now they're all citizens that doesn't make sense to anybody at design dare Devil use you just gotta, ITALY's rise, not good constitution. This is this. This is the best phrase and I just

can't understand, how people don't understand this, but constitution was not meant to be a suicide pact. Partner, but it's also a very dangerous free sites. I feel like that's the same argument. People use with the second amendment ah well, they they look, I mean that the tie. You may only have these little weapons in those that would look like I'm sure they wanted freedom of guns. I mean these guns are too big to brutal, and this is not meant to be a suicide parent. When I'm talking about suicide pack, I mean on the principles on the poor principles. Is it's not meant to be a suicide peck? If we follow these principles, you won't have a constitution, you won't have America anymore, you just won't

because I know what he is going to nobody wanted for a hundred years and we still have America doing it differently. Now there was not the have a baby tourism back in nineteen hundred now may certainly being exploited at some level right I mean, but that does not mean you to it then, like, let us say we re workflow allergy argument as an argument to amend the constitution. Let's just say it with their intent was at the beginning, what you say it was there We wanted it. We by aliens to does come in and have been dropped. Babies over here and in it are gonna, be anchor. Babies in they're gonna get citizenship which say that was there in tat. I dont think it was built. You say it was if that was true and and back people were in exporting it. And now people are you, that's it our limits on amendments, not situation, not to say we now think robbed them. If you want to change guns, don't make some slippery argued out just amended Eightieth amendment, Twenty first amendment we said you know what we're going to ban all alcohol. We did it bad idea,

Twenty first amendment forget the eighteenth amendment. We need a drink. Might yet and that's the way you're supposed to do it and they don't want to do it that way because hard it's hard and they know that it's impossible to make the argument, because you do something that big you? actually have to think about it. This is the best of the blend back programme. I it's Glenn. If you're a subscriber to the podcast, can you do me a favor and rate us on Itunes? If you're not a subscriber become one today and listen on your own time, you can subscribe on Itunes begs where a lot of social justice warriors were excited when they heard that Whitey had died yesterday by different whitey. This was the mob guy A whitey bolder me was eighty nine years old found unresponsive yesterday at eight twenty in the morning he had

and in custody. Since Monday they were transferring em, they moved him from a prison in Florida and how to stop in Oklahoma City before moving to West Virginia. He was a tall. ACT by three men in the general population sector of the prison one of the men used a lock tucked into a sock as a weapon said: doktor suits thing for is a Halloween doktor sues. We should write that anyway and then the group attempted gouges eyes out ok I mean you know why I'm John Johnson But everyone around here likes to call me Nancy so this guy is ain't notorious by the way, the guy who killed him. What a surprise a mob hit man, ITALY's that's who they think Sky notorious

a legend in the mob world? Here's a clip from a documentary about him ways staring at me in grand in his teeth he saw, kill you stallion, then I'll kill you we want. You killed my system to guarantee some mighty. Parliament kills Baldos. If you want to go ahead and shun me, Mary Mary people went to sleep there. They were over twenty five years. We Alger rule the organised crime while he was charged with even a misdemeanor. Whitey bolder faces possible maximum of life in prison. This is really a typical criminal try. This is not about getting acquainted. Don't you want to know what really went on is a government excited about having bolder come back. Some people certainly are, but there are other who have many sleepless nights about what James

Just gonna testified question. I got the money. This is for me a documentary, great documentary called Whitey United States of America Verses, Sir James J, bolder the direct is Joe Berliner and he's on with us now high Joe how're ya error, you good to hear from you so for people who don't follow Whitey give us that give tell a story It's a long and complicated tail, but in a nutshell, you know. He ran South Boston in a neighborhood called Southie, and over a twenty five year period. He basically It was allowed to kill with impunity as as we later found out, he was some you know allowed to be an informant for the FBI the FBI's mandate in the eightys was to bring down the mafia.

To do that they used Whitey and some of his associates as informants and which, in and of itself is ok, but they then the blind eye. You know when you're, an informant for the federal government is not a licence to kill and he was he was allowed to base we run roughshod over the streets. South Boston he had a strange hold over the neighbourhood as well. There was a lot of folklore that he was like kind of a Robin hood in giving Turkey's to family members and doing nice things for the neighbour, but in keeping drugs out but as the trial that which is the subject of my documentary, reveals a lot of that was just never may. He was one of the biggest rug runners in the area, but he was

the big unknown story. This not being talked about is in his he's is often thought of as an informant, but his informing really. They produce much and in fact he was really allowed just you know, create a lot of themselves out of the victims of Baldur are still very angry. With the federal government and the debate, Yahoo grew the victims, be yet dozens of families who were the victims of why these crimes I mean whitey with all. I see what you say, but he did he put anybody behind bars. Did he have ran out anybody that. In the end, the government get anything that's open to debate. Boston Globe would tell you that, yes, yes, he was a wonder

in form and in that they broke the story, but there is evidence to suggest that it was. It was a greater cover, forges protecting whitey because, with the federal authorities trying to crack down on the mob on the italian mafia, and he hit on the mafia would have to run through vultures. Her whole gang and some people feel inclined. Even there was strong evidence to suggest that the informing part was just the cover And really they will allowing whitey the live so that the then head of the strike force in New England to bring down the hell. Yeah mafia, guiding Jeremiah Tee, O Sullivan, was looking for a little quid pro. Well like a weighty will. Let you do your thing as long, you make sure them the mob. Doesn't enow kill me because

There were incidents of lawyers and prosecutors getting. Killed in retaliation for bringing down the mob so you know a lot of those allegations have not been proven, but his real connection to the information that he gave as being actually great and valid and information is, is to me one of the myths of this case in Sweden. We need much longer the time period to really discuss it, but the documentary gonna delve into the how much free reign the guy was given and again appeared

format for the government, it doesn't mean you can go ahead and commit crimes at major working hand in hand with the government in exchange, for some benefit like a lot like not being prosecuted or lesser sends, it doesn't mean. Oh, please go out and rob kill steel and maim people, nor were there have been several civil suits, brought against the Department of Justice that have not gone and the families direction, and so there's a lot of a lot of bitter feelings amongst the people who were who were victims of bulges crime, some of whom were in all criminals themselves, but that doesn't that doesn't still he might or the end does not justify the means whereby the sky for a quarter century was allowed to just kill with impunity. Emily was tipped off in advance. About wiretaps. He was tipped off in advance about potential raids. It's really a complicated and in fact some people believe that the sixteen

where is he was on the lamb living in an apartment in Santa Monica with his girlfriend Catherine Grieg, wherever there are many, including myself, who believe that the government really wasn't looking very hard for him and a new regime came in and then after sixteen years they decided to bring them to justice, and- and there was a trial in the summer of twenty thirteen so let's talk a little bit about the first method. You talked about that he was known, as you know, a good guy in the neighborhood. Isn't that I mean this is my impression, and maybe I'm wrong in this. Is kind of the thing with you know Capone tried to do that, and you know people like to think that our now these guys, you're just you, know their whack in just the bad guys there actually good family man, you know the day when you would kill a man and then you'd send his wife flowers is there any of that? True,

That seems to be the case that you know he also did some very good things as well enough at times, but first for some people and so, for example, there was a big bussing crisis in South Boston. It up. There was an attempt to desegregate and the wood. A buzzing order issued and white actually was very vociferous. You know in campaigning against it and that kind of rallied South Boston residents to him. Because he was a good guy, but because they mean that help the eighth cover for him and good will exactly and his brother was a famous politicians. Otherwise allowance is in. There is well, you know, with the bill Bulger, president of University of Massachusetts and a problem

a politician. So there was a lot of messy grey areas there with the boulder, so how it was he involved? Was he just the guy, say yeah whack him, or was he involved in the killings of it? It took pleasure in being involved in the galley. Then it is a signal because back than there was no dna evidence, a signature was removing teeth of his victims. You know so that they can be dandified, but no no, he was he was a willing and ruthless participant in some very grisly murders and it happened, and there was a there was a neighborhood how's that they had called the haughty where number of these victims were buried in the in the dirt basement of of the actual house that they used as a meeting place. For this this is a slot, a grisly detail with this case, but that I mean the real For me, the fascinating thing is, after sixteen years

land they finally column in Santa Monica living I am in a living, a quiet life, retirees life, you know yet I had almost nine hundred thousand dollars in cash and stuck in the walls and coterie of machine guns and net and weapons but living I just the quiet life and when it is finally caught and brought back asking for trial you that he offered to plead guilty in exchange for there's another I've been look some other noticin, these assembly, something there have been left out here, he offered to plead guilty if they would take it easy on his girlfriend is, in our view, is living girlfriend. Catherine Greek, who joined him for the sixteen years of being on the. On and off you know he would. He was willing to plead guilty if they would take it easy on her and give her some very light treatment and look government refused and you have to ask yourself why? Why did we go through more

a million dollar trial. For Whitey Border when the king, in other conclusion was foregone at the start and then trial. Nobody thought he would be found not guilty amid the evidence was just overwhelming and it probably would have saved the state quite a bit of money. He cannot fry em, but They didn't take it easy on how they catch him, how they catch him. There were other decided to focus on the girl friend and they play some advertisements and a woman, you know noticed not weighty, but the girl friend and called it in and got a nice reward for that So a prosecuted, the woman who turned to men well

no no, no, no, not the woman who turned over another. Ok, another woman and not the girlfriend another woman current mean ok. Ok, now. He was killed yesterday. Up ever, I mean, besides after sues, I didn't know who would come up with a lock in a sock. Apparently was was killed by a guy. They think is lower. They actions is there's a guy in prison. Who was a mob hit man who they think killed They know he was a mob hitman Who would do? Was everybody against this guy army? Was he marked for death as soon as they could kill him? Well? Look, I don't. I don't have the details of yesterday in it. You know it's hard to say, but you know he is responsible for helping are, you know. Bring down the italian mafia? So you would imagine that there would be people who the out for his his death, and you have to question you know the.

The security and still unclear to me. I'm still trying to get some information as to why he was being moved and why the multiple moves and why the lack of security you know some people are speculating that this was a purposeful move. I can't say that, but a guy who's involved in multiple murders over decades, it's an involved in bringing down the mafia. You know what action would be a target we're we're talking to a job earlier. He is the director of White, a United States of America versus James J Bulger, who is in a wider, and I guess what was that it tracked you to this story. Why? Why did you make the film in what do what attracted you to it, and what did you take away from it? yeah, I mean I thought that you know bolder.

Finally bring being brought to trial does. Is there such a myth about the guy they such folklore? You know our society Fortunately, we tend to glamorize like euros out of criminals. Above probably is the greatest example of that so much folklore surrounding in so much hero, worship, films, that kind of downplay grisly side of or the early the matter of what is responsible for, even if it does show the details of how people are build a week. We celebrate criminals in this. Society with her with an odd phenomenon. So the idea that he was being brought back to trial. Finally, the face the music, I thought would be an opportunity kind of separate fact from fiction and to really understand the crimes that was my going in assumption, but sitting through trial and witnessing it and getting to know Bulger. In fact, I was

only journalist allowed to actually interview him because the defence attorneys that basically trust it may versus some other journalists in part. Because of my previous work, domes like Paradise lost. You know what fascinated men were and what my big turn was was just how culpable the government has been in allowing a killer. To run roughshod over the streets of Boston. And how you know he is informant If you're going to allow somebody to evade justice for twenty five years, you would hope that the record of what you gonna do what what you got so rock solid, and I so points to like. Oh my god, this guy was invaluable, but the evidence was just not there for me and out. He was then he was in the large boxes as being an informant. But you know, if you really,

drill into it. There is very little information aid that the fair then already have, and so then the question is: why was he allowed, then? If he gave the best information on the planet and is directly responsible for the end of the mafia in New England, as we know it, which was not the case still have to question the wisdom of the government, allowing somebody like that to commit murder and they knew it Joe palpable times. Thank you very much, and if you want to see the video you can, you can check it out online and and watch it. I got it kind of a good tenable

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all things in Heaven and hell. Oh, I heard many things are now then my mad hearken and observe how hopefully, how come? I can tell it's impossible to say how the first idea entered my brain, but once conceived it haunted me day and night object. There was none. Action? There was none. I love the old man. He had never wrong me it. Never. Given me insult for his I had no desire, it was his. I guess It was this, He had an idea about vulture a pale blue eye film over whenever it upon me, my blood ran cold, and so on

degrees very gradually. I made up my mind to take the life of the old man and thus rid myself of the eye forever. Now this is the point You fancy me mad very slowly sigh Meda. Could have seen me You should have seen how wisely I proceeded with what caution with what foresight dissimulation. I went to work. I was there, Kinder to the old man that during the whole week before I killed him and every night I turned the latch of his door, so gently then, when I made it sufficient for my head. Put in a lantern stark. All closed closed, so no light shone out. Then I thrust in my ad hoc. You would have laughed at sea.

Cunningly. I thrust it in. I moved it in slowly, very, very slowly, so I may not disturb the old man. Sleep took me an hour to place my whole head within the opening so far that I could see he lay upon his bed, would a mad men have done? Something is wise. Is this and then, when my head was well within the room, I am: did the lantern cautiously HO soap cautiously consciously for the Hinges creed? I did it just some such that a single thin re fell upon the vulture for this

I did for seven long nights every night just at midnight, but I found the I always closed. Size is impossible to do. The work was not the old man who vexed me but is evil eye, and every morning, when the day broke, I went boldly into the chamber and spent courageously to him, calling him, by name in a hearty tone and inquiring. How you pass the night So here you see he would have been a very profound old man, indeed to suspect that every night, just twelve I look in on. While he slept upon the eighth night, I was more than usually cautious and opening the door much is minute hand moves more quickly than did my ever before that night, and I felt. The extent of my own powers of my sagacity I could scarce

contain my feelings of triumph. To think I was there opening the door little by little and even dream of my secret deeds are thoughts accurately not at the idea had. Perhaps he heard me forty moved on the bed suddenly. Now you may think that I drew back. His room. Was black, is pitch with thick darkness for the shutters were closed and fashion through the figure of robbers so I knew he could not see the opening of the door and I kept pushing it steadily. Stead. Heading. I was about open the lantern. When my thumb slipped upon the tin fastening, the old man sprang up the bed crying out there. I kept quiet still. I said nothing for all our

and in the meantime I did not hear him lie down here. Still sitting up in bed listening, just as I had done night after night hearken, the death watches and presently I heard slight. Am I knew it was a groan of mortal terror. It was. A grove of pain or of grief. I know it was the low stifled, sound that arises from the bottom of the soul when overcharged with awe with sound many in my chest

night when all the world slapped it'd welled up from my own bosom deepening with a dreadful echo, the terrors that distracted me up. I say I knew it well. I knew what the old man felt in pity to him I chuckled at heart. I knew that he had been laying awake ever since the first slight noise when he turned in the bed. His fear had been ever since growing upon him. He had been true to fancy them causeless, but could not? He had been saying to himself it's nothing but the wind in the chimney. It's only a mouse crossing the floor or its. We merely a cricket to whose made a single Chirrup Oh yes, he had been trying to comfort itself for these suppositions. He found them all in vain all in vain, because DAS, in approaching him had stopped with his black shadow before him and fell the victim.

I did was the mournful influence of the unperceived shadow that caused him to feel, although he never saw nor heard to feel the presence of my hand, it was in the room when I am at weighted very long time very patiently without hearing and lie down. I resolved to open a little a very, very little crevice in the lantern, so I opened it. You cannot imagine how stealthily

till at length, a single dim re, like the thread of a spider shot from the crevice in fell upon both Voltaire. I M is open wide wide open and I fear he s ass. I gazed upon it. I sought with perfect distinctness, sought dull blue with a hideous veil over the shield. My very marrow in my bones, like nothing else of the governments, face a person for I directed the re as if by instinct, precisely upon the damned spot and have I not told you that what you ll estate for madness is but an over acuteness of sense now. I say there came to my ears a low dull, quick sound such as a watch makes when enveloped in cotton. That sound. New that sound well too, it was

the beating of the old man's heart it increased, my fury as the beating of a drum stimulates a soldier in the courage, but even yet I refrain still I scare he breathed. Held the lantern motionless. I tried steadily, I could maintain the re upon the eye. Meantime, the step, two of the heart, increased, quicker and quicker and louder and louder. Every instant, the old man's terror must have been extremely grew. Louder, I say louder every moment: do you, like? I told you a house nervous, and so I am now at the dead our night

Amid the dreadful silence first, is this cited me to uncontrollable terror? Yet in its long stood still, I thought his heart must first and then a new exotic seized me sound. The sun would be heard by a neighbour the old man's our it come when allowed yeah like the lantern and leaped into the room he Threeg once only once in an instant, I frankly that heavy bent over and then I smiled gaily could find the deed so far done, but for many minutes his heart beat on with a muffled sound, is, however, didn't backs link. It would not be heard through the Wall at length. It see

the old man was dead. I remove the bed and examined the corpse. Yes, he was stone stone dead. They place my hands upon. I felt it for many minutes. There was no pulsation, he was stone dead. His eye was troubled me. If you still think me. Mad You will think so. No longer when I describe the wise precautions I took for the concealment of the body but like waned hastily, but in silence, first

like this member, the courts I cut off the head in the arms and legs, then I took up three points from the flooring of the chamber and deposited all between the scantlings than I reckon It's the board, so cleverly so cunningly that no human eye even he is good of detection. Everything wrong. Nothing to wash out those stain of any kind, no blood spot, whatever To where it for that a tub had caught at all. When I had made an end of these labors, it was four o clock still dark at midnight. As the Bell sounded the hour, they came in.

Looking at the street door, I went down to dinner with a light heart for how do I have to fear there entered three men who introduced themselves with perfect suavity is officers of the police had been heard by a neighbor during the night suspicion of foul play than around us information. Had been lodged with the police office and they they, officers had been deputed to search the premises. I bade the gentlemen. Welcome the shore I said, was my own in a dream. The old man I mentioned was absent in the country, I took my visitors all over the house. I bade them search search where I live. At length to his chamber, I showed them his treasure secure, undisturbed, Did the enthusiasm of my confidence brought chairs into the room and desire them here to rest from your fatigues, while I myself in the wild

Dat city of my perfect triumph place my own seat upon the very spot beneath which proposed the corpse of the victim. The offices satisfied my matter convincing. I was simply at ease. They sat. While I answered cheerily, they chatted a familiar things, but the here long myself getting paled wish them. God head ached I fancy the ringing in my ears, but they sat still chatted ringing. Became more distinct talk more freely, they get rid of the feeling but continued and gained definitiveness until at length.

We found that the noise was not within my years. No doubt I grew very pale and they talk more frequently and with a heightened voice, sounded creased. What could I do it with a low dull, quick, sound, much such a sound ass? A watch makes when enveloped in cod As for breath,

yet the offices or did not- I got more quickly more vehemently, but that but the noise steadily increased. I rose and argued about trifles key with violent gesticulations with noise steadily increased. Why would they not be gone? I paced the floor to and fro with every strides excited a fury by the observations of a man with a noise steadily increase. Oh god, what could I do? I found I raised here and which I have been sitting in cross. The boards of the noise arose over all and continually agree. It grew louder and louder and louder. Two men shouted pleasantly and smiled. Was it possible later, not almighty, God? No, no, they heard they suspected. I knew they were making a mockery of my horror. This I thought, and this I think, but anything was better than this agony. Anything was more tolerable than this derision. I could bear those hypocritical smiles. No longer I felt that I must scream or die and now again heart rate dissemble, no more, the deed, tear up the planks areas. Some of these areas

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