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This. This guy is one of the more despicable human things that I have heard for quite some time. He is calling for. I think Would you agree more more violence, at least more violent rhetoric, nor violent grass, more violent rhetoric? Meanwhile, CBS News is just pull out. This is Americans say that our political debate is increasingly uncivil and a remarkably sad story ending to the story of the kid that went to North Korea tried to take a souvenir poster home on New Year's Eve was just sent home years later. After being now, we know to death

what is America Goin to do? We give you that story right now. You should have entertainment and didn't write in it. The Glen is Cincinnati. There's a twenty two year old American College student that return home last week he had been imprisoned in North Korea for seventeen months. He died in a sense that Cincinnati Hospital here, then home less than a week.

Now. The reason why the North Koreans sent him home is because they said he got botulism. He was in prison in somehow or another. He got vodka and he went into a coma that excuse. Doctors are now saying is, is not an excuse. It is a slap in the face to America to our intelligence. As also warm bringer, warm beer came home to Cincinnati greeted by his parents. He was unable to speak he was unable to see. He was unable to react to any verbal commands. His parents said he looked so uncomfortable and in so much pain

They they knew, they would never hear his voice again, but they said the look of anguish on his face within a day was gone. They believe that he knew he was home. He had severe brain damage one senior year. Official told the New York Times that intelligence reports. Oh, that warm beer had been repeatedly beaten, beaten into a vegetative state since the ninety nine. These sixteen M dickens, had been detained by North Korea, enduring That time is incredibly rare to see evidence of abuse or torture. North Koreans have been very, very careful,

They want to give humanitarian groups any you know. Any cause do the test, they don't hand anybody more ammo for criticism whereby the way still technically at war. I don't know if people really understand this, but no peace treaty was ever signed during the covert korean war. We are still technically at war. We have an armistice, however, we have a stand off So now why at the brink of war with three Carrier battle groups- only time the United States

ever had three carrier battle groups in one region. It is been because we were about to go to war. War always follows in the past. War always follows three carrier groups in a region. Why, when we have all of that. Their power. Did the North Koreans break decades, pattern to deliver us a broken beaten and clearly tortured american citizen. He was murdered by the King family syndicate and I One should understand that cause it's It's not a nation. This is a group of people held hostage by gangsters. Kim Jong on made this since it

had twenty year old, Cincinnati resident. In two ways, Corleone style message. This is what the mob does. They eat, kill and dump the body on your doorstep and that's exactly what they did. He was killed and beaten, not because he took a poster or tried to take poster he was beaten because he was an american citizen and his death was meant to intimidate us. Why would he break decades of stand off. Well. I think the answer is found here, how, Exactly do we respond to this.

We're war. Is this not a war crime, the state parliament should be demanding those responsible to be held accountable, but north he has never going to comply. But are we at least owe that to the family of this victim. Why would Kim Jong do this at this time, Secretary of Defence J, The matters said that a war with North Korea quote will be catastrophic and the worst kind of fighting in most people's lifetimes end quote: is it possible that we have waited and waited and waited and waited and pussyfooting around with North Korea. To the point, of no return

and now North Korea knows we don't want to fight they know they have the upper hand and now the tape oh, is gonna wag. The dog, multiple. Battle. Carrier groups are sitting off the coast of North Korea. They can't sit there forever. Capitulation on our side is not an option. The only way out we have said is: if it Kim Jong gives up and dismantles his nuclear and missile programmes, do you think he's going to do that. Was this the sign of a guy dumping about lay off on our doorstep. Is that is That's not the answer. What I'm going to do with our nuclear missiles. Yeah

stop them. No, I just dump the body on your front door, step. Here's the thing. He's worried about the survival of his regime. He can't be perceived, is giving in to the United States of America. He is escalating. This. And we are moving closer to war? The question is: what will we do? What should we do? What comes now? next more to second, first, let me tell you about our sponsor its car shield. Planning a road trip. The last thing you need to do is have ruined by an unexpected car repair. There is nothing worse, MAGIC say, for your vacation and getting on the road, and you have a blown air conditioner? You have ever conditional repaired.

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in my name back and or visit Carson dot com and use the promo code back and you'll save ten percent one eight hundred car sixty one hundred promo code back or our shield, dot com- This is the Glen Back programme. Carry Europe to the Glen Back programme. One barrier has just passed away. He spent in North Korea. A bad things happened. We got him home to be with his parents, They were so happy too even though he was very tough condition, but just passed away a little while ago as a brutal regime we'll be able to live. I dont know Jack

what that means. We're gonna be able to handle it because I dont know what I would do if I were in his position What would you do if your present in the United States and you wake up? That's why you don't want to be present as days, somebody is always waking you up from a nap to say. Mr President, there is a problem I don't want to wake up every day. Let me these are big problems to users here and there and then going on in Syria, and we ve got this north korean deal. We can't just are we going to let him just get away with it? Are you going to just lobbed missiles, no you're, going to assassinate that fat bastard I dont mean that would be the only thing that you could come into my office. You know without an actual professional briefing, if you guys in our president. Let's laugh about that. You guys were my cap man. Would we be in trouble if this information I get I'm going for you bad operations together, although its legally barred, I know

I know Well, why we wait another path. I will say this is what I would say to you. Pat I'd be very, the boy. Did he if I ever found out that you put something like that together and have by the week, I would be very personal, I wouldn't say by the end of the week, but anytime by the end of the week or somewhere around there. I would be very the upset because of the eighties one. We supposedly daddy illegal, yes, we Reagan, India. We then we shouldn't assassinate. Now I coarseness Not everyone was never admit that, just when you really want to get out of your league with this guy. Well I mean I don't I don't know what you do or how you handle this, but there's gotta be sanctions lebanese gang, I just say it lets display less, is they devils advocate because I know there's got to be some people that our thinking, what just leave it alone, just leave it alone.

Just don't do anything. What are the ram effect? basins of now doing anything you all right. I thought for more of the same level right now by not doing it right near with this guy, more yeah. That's it that's why this kid is dead, because Obama did nothing right. You did nothing out all though they said that he went into this coma soon after being captured. Well, of course, I did it for a while, after they beat the crap out of him in Rome and knocked him into a coma, but what I'm saying is: if you brought him back, he still would have been in a coma. Whether you would have died right away. I mean what we don't know how soon it was the main they ethic they set within weeks, we'll know, but you don't. But still remember the day you I remember the days gotta you amazing, I got. This morning and I thought are so many millennials that are working here now and so many people that are twenty when five years old they,

Do not remember and America, but four nine eleven, they don't remember that. So I've always been in a world where the american passport was a target. When I was going up the american passport was like back all of Jack, Nobody would touch an american citizen urine going anywhere and they kidnap and american citizen or arrest them. They might arrest you, but they're, not gonna beat you to death because they know Amerika will respond american passports worse. To go anywhere. Everybody wanted american passport. Not now You have an american passport. They took this guy, it's one thing to arrest him and- convict aimed for hard labor or whatever, because he stole a poster tried to steal a pounds. We are even over actually settle a poster wetter

but that's one thing to arrest him in triumph. That's something the old Soviet Union would have done. They would not have beaten him. They would it make sure that they took care. Do not let him die or fall down as or have a ball of botulism Let's make sure he doesn't that I mean it. You know I don't like this is related, but it seems like there is now a huge industry into saying how bad the American in our country is and what what we stand for when the left people remember this now, but at the time when this guy was captured, the left attacked him. Yes, they, they wrote that you want a privileged, so air bustle wrote why people blame auto warm beer for his in North Korea sentence. Privilege can sometimes come at a price privilege,

North Korea prove your white male privilege is not universal hahaha. This might be America's biggest idiot, frat boy, uv, a student who thought that thought he could. Poland prank in North Korea, so I want to tell you that if this were my son at the time If he would have called me, I would have said. Are you cry easy what the hell were. You doing may not was obviously not a good decision not, but it is very obvious that the state Department in your ear ask what are you doing for to get myself right right. Someone's life is and then apparently, according to the Father, the family was told: hey, keep a low profile by Obama. Keep a low profile, don't make any waves and the result of everybody credited Trump forgetting this here.

It was interesting, I mean I don't know if North Korea actually gave him up because they thought he was on the verge of death and didn't want them to die and on their soil. Is it interesting that he would be over there for envy in a coma for what is reported, one thousand six hundred and seventeen months and then come over here two days later and died, so maybe he just on life support the whole time and they brought him back and he did it. Wishes are artificial and he was alive in the first place. I don't know I'm salon also up boy Otto Frederick warmly or gets the nightly showed treatment he richly deserves, and then there's a thing: sure of Larry Wilmore, who is that. So the nightly show he's got a little acronym alpha, Sigma Sigma, but it big letters at the top it S. S ass turkey than if we all over his picture, the call them and ass funny interest

enough Otto Warmonger actually did outlive the nightly show. We can say that in some cases even track, but I mean this is despicable. That guy was, I mean. Yes, he made a mistake. Yes, it was a silly mistake, I'm just going there I I want to go to North Korea. I've always wanted to go to North Korea X. I find it to be a fascinating place, but I may ever going to go to North Korea and wait. We could send you there on special assignment proud. Are you we spend a little time. It's a good idea, glad you I thought so one can you imagine they reporting you be able to do my guys. You did finally see that hotel that no doubt about what a ran all the places where I was really vowed. What I'd really like is like a poster formula wall on one of those who tell us that the Iraqi you can't blame the kid you don't be people to death.

For trying to take a new year's eve. This poster is glad that programme mercury. Glenn Beck program. So last night were saying our prayers before kids go to. At an end. Set a long involved prayer for Donald Trump last night, because we are, I don't wish his position on any man. If you just look at what has happened, The last twenty four hours I dont know how we get around these things, but we really need to come together because there's there's real trouble ahead. What was it

yesterday or the day before, Syria time, the? U S, father of shot a fighter jet down, we had a syrian fighter jet and it was a it was a dogfight mean when's. The last time the United States was in a dogfight with another. With another plain we shot him down, because this syrian fighter, jet had just bombed superior, is the syrian rebel forces. While we are there to help the syrian rebel forces, there was a time during the last the presidency, that I would have applauded, that kind of action and I'm sure there's a lot of people still. That will still applaud that action, but here's the problem with this latest escalation into our intervention into Syria.

So we have North Korea that is bubbling over. I dont know what the president should do. And now, because we did nothing in Syria for so long, the Russians, no a a week we have been in the Syrians know how weak we have been now Donald Trump comes in and like we're, we're not weak anymore? Well, the Russians are desperate with oil. Forty seven dollars a barrel right now or Russia is collapsing. Everything outside of Moscow all of the all towns in and farmlands that. Surrounding Moscow outside of the main cities of Moscow, everything is defaulting. They are in real trouble. They need a game changer, so the

problem with this is there's not any good guys in this scenario. You know when we used to be able to cheer during the Olympics, his kids, because we knew China and Russia were bad- and you know me, I can England in Australia, we were good and we were a team and they were a team not the way the world is right now there is? No, you know, Australia in the Middle EAST,. There's, no there's no England, there's no Thomas Jefferson. Guy who's, like you know, Tom Tom paying, you should write up because all the stuff we're talking about a common sense. You know the mighty crawling out of a well coming back. You know, after thousands of years hiding in the well coming to wash the world in blood- that's common sense! Everybody knows that no No there's no Thomas Pain, Thomas Jefferson, in this area, so we are just like in nor korea. Now we are low

being at bad and worse options and here's. Why We know what the Russians are doing. The Russians are just trying to broker a deal in the Middle EAST. That's all there trying to do they want be the power in the Middle EAST. That's why they're in with Syria. That's. Why or in with a ran. Iran is sweeping now across a rack and India. Syria, there they are looking to build a crescent shaped power. And their own little Caliphate, ISIS now is- darting, to fade into the background, but we're saying where their fighting ISIS well, we are and we aren't we let ISIS Faster and grow, and now we're doing is trying to hold. A ran back from taking a rack and Syria.

Russia is on the side of Syria and IRAN. So, let's just look at the bad guys. Here you have the oppressive Bashar, Al Assad gum. It forces which are battling against ices and the? U S back syrian Democratic, for this is serious water, democratic, their democratic, that's good, to know, just like the former socialist, objects that all had democratic people's republic now these guys are All the p k k these guys are really bad there Kurds, in a rack and there are Kurds in Syria. The Kurds in Syria are marks Leninist revolutionary terrorists and here are the guys we are backing.

So we are supporting them. What are we doing here. Who are we really backing. We ve been down this road so many times in a ran with the Shaw Pinochet. In Chile, Noriega Noriega in Nicaragua, the Contras Battista in Cuba. I mean we keep making the same mistake over and over and over again we support or prop you know, addicted Europe, one after the other, and then there was the accomplice. Aided mess in Bosnia, where we the muslim majority, while bombing the christian minority into submission, and, let's not forget the recent disasters checking the initial Muslim Brotherhood, leadership in Egypt and the city wasted in Libya, which is still a monumental mass. All of

he's come all of these issues are complex and they're all tribal they're, all what we have been working with each other for a thousand the years. And there were compelling reasons that we took action before each of them. There were better reasons each time to stay out of the mass. The decision to intervene in a civil war and cool an regime changes over the years have been made both by the Republicans and the Democrats. Neither Party is immune from the temptation to mess up other people's lives. But in the civil war in Syria the stay I've never been higher after shooting on the syrian playin the other day Russia threatened a target any american jet that strays indoors, in protected space, while there

anything west of the Euphrates. That's almost all of Syria. They also Not only say we're now pitting the Soviets, so the former Soviet with the United States, where they take the migs and our efforts. Eighty, And go head to head: they ve also cut off all community on the battlefield, pray for our president because almost anything we do now is a disaster. The last thing anyone should want is a direct military conflict between the two most powerful nuclear armed nations on earth. What we need to do is lead from behind we, we We have started to begin. This lie that we don't count, but we do

The entire world is pushing us into chaos. The entire world is income motion. I wouldn't be surprised to see the sun hide its face and the moon turn blood red and the stars fall from the sky. The entire earth is in ocean, and there are wars, and there are rumours of wars we need to we need to let our leaders know that cooler heads must prevail here.

And long term, it's important imperative that the United States of America go back to our founding principles and stay out of foreign entanglements. When we respond, we have to respond with overwhelming frightening terrifying, an awesome power on any direct threat. To us any hit on us, but when it comes to everybody else's foreign mess, we need to keep our nose out of it. Find our own business. Everything else is just a repeat of the disasters of the last one hundred years Now, there's pro flowers, this come out with the ultimate solution to ensure that you remember the dates that matter how many, how many of us have ever forgotten a birthday of our wife? Any of us.

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months and I've got a narrow it down to five books and I've been teaching it here at this studios and and looking for some assistance from some of the writers of these books. To come in and help steer me in the right place so I really understand it and then, and then ere it with you. I want to share one of them. One of these observations. Next that I had reading of breeding, and then in our number three we have the authors of a new book called stealing fire, and it is the new thing now to what's being hauled get into. The flow

and the flow is something that you can induce. They say with meditation, but all so they say that you can get into the flow by taking a very soon all amount of lsd and masculine, and They are saying that this is happening in silicon. The real disruptors are all all during their mental state, and if I haven't read this book, I've read some of this book and if I am not miss day, can I think they're actually advocating, and this some of these guys are like the navy. Seals are experimenting with these things and DARPA I mean it sounds very. What was the red skull. Who is the the captain? America came after at first, it was in the rental. It was experimenting with drugs that make you

most like movie, no superhuman racking my mind going through history like which one is talking. The nazi regime is the now you tell me, in Amerika yeah, right yeah. That was real. That was the nazi regime anyway, but the night he's dead. Do this, they were looking for things that make you superhuman and where apparently doing that too and this is a case that it's a good thing. I don't think I'm going to be convinced that with the report was I forever right, I'm in the sea I created that for military and then broke loose into the end of the public which created the sixties movement. Yet saying that is such a low, does that it does not cause any of those psychedelic effects, but one like one hundred million? I remember I anyone the exact dosage, but it they say it's really really small and that you dont almost don't even feel it in yours

and, unlike other shows, we worked. We are telling you to try this at home. Just experimental they'll, see how much you can handle Leeward Basque, Catalan, I'd have to go to Gerry Adams had asked. I actually forget what maximum, unless it is that what you like those sixties, drew near was definitely a sixties and early seven. These drugs, I thought I wonder tied in with LSD, Dick. I can't remember exactly what I want. I think masculine was a stimulant taken from up some sort of but I don't know lsd- was obviously mad made. Just don't remember, I just don't know little doesn't have listened again. That's what happened to drive you take too much of it. What was it used for? It is for treatment of anything affects a comparable to those of LSD, occurs naturally in the parodi. Cactus.

It was a black beard. Other right, although your drugs, I mean we can't testimony, see Jeffrey really is our drugs drug. Whenever I have a question you're a doctor and with solemn Jeffrey Jeffrey, what you think of this double up on this take another one of your welcome: Also we have new pull numbers out. On the United States, and where do we, I wouldn't we perceive seven? percent of the american population. Believe that the poor, political rhetoric, America's getting better. I want to meet those people back programme.

The blaze radio network on demand America welcome to the framework programme, there is a new pull out shows most Americans feel like. There is real problems in our communication with other fellow Americans as crazy talk. What does it say. Percent. Some percent say that is getting better summons. Resent yes, AIDS means getting bad things. Are great I'd like to buy like to meet those needs? Not what are we getting better we're getting worse? I think we're getting worse as evidence and something that happened would sucker Karlsson last night we get into that here in this second, not only not only that How do we get

around this other than just admiring the problem? How do we solve this? I have a new attitude on this that I'm only laying some of the foundational work on here in the next few months, and I want to bring you along for the ride and hear your opinion, because to me- and I shared with a lot of people here- recently in the building ten. It makes an awful lot of sense to me and I want to start there with tougher Karlsson, what happened last night we, the liberal, who said it's, ok, to hunt Republicans. We go there,

right now, the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment. This is the main pillars of a lot of things today that are really disturbing Al Franklin. Was talking about hey, let's not move so fast with impeachment telling the Democrats this summer so fast with impeachment, because my pants is worse and at the same time shows that there is a start, an honest bone in any of their bodies. It's not right

the about Donald Trump in his tweets in his incivility, or anything like that that they say it is? Is this the fact that he's a Republican for many of them, and then, on the flip side of that, are you have Keith Oberman? Who, thank God, nobody is watching, but he is speaking. In terms of revolution, and here TED something really disturbing a few weeks ago, and now he's saying it again: it just didn't different way. This time he saying you know what best that Donald Trump implodes than our country clothes. You know we never ever ever said anything like that about Barack Obama we at least on this, we prayed for his safety. We prayed for good to see was to be made if he were making a

a decision. I know my prayer every night was Lord. If there are people that want to destroy the country, please wart them. Please help the president's see the right decision for the country never did any of us want to see the president in flowed or go down in flames, because serve, it is at least the ones I know we are all saying the same thing, he goes down. We all go down Keith Oberman, is saying it's your responsibility now to help him implode that is so reckless, but There are good people on the other side that have come lost their way and their best, people on the other side who have have just are just bad people. They just want to see

destroyed and want a war, and I have news There are people on our side that have lost their way and people on our side that want to civil war. I'm not into that. I don't think that's the answer listened Tucker Karlsson interview, a a a progressive who put out a tweet as a columnist, right through the shooting last week with the hashtag hunt Republicans but were horrified, of course, by last week's ass. Without a republican members of Congress which wounded five people. I nearly killed house Majority WHIP, Steve's police, but most people. Currently does not include some people, including a jersey, chronic tragic Jim Divine after the shooting divine tweeted. This quote

We are in a war with selfish, foolish narcissistic, rich people. Why is it a shock things turn violent, Hashtag hunt, republican congressmen after many people objected divine, did not back down he thought up by treating this. I'm sorry. If my hunch republican congressmen hashtag, hurt the feelings of any GEO peace flakes, but you have not engaged in civil discourse. End quote. We invited Jimmy finally come on the show and remarkably he agreed ravens from divine joins us tonight. Jim Divine. Under what circumstances is morally acceptable to use violence for political ends, never Mauro. It's never will they use violence for political ends, excessively branches, the most extreme cases, very, the George Washington imposed by the fact of the matter, as we do in fact with valid in this country what they do with bullets elsewhere, and it is not uncommon in politics that we use the language of war. We talk about fierce. Rather, if we talk about can

we say then, and so on. You are on a television programme and I dont know what your body count was when you were on crossfire hyacinth. If there were no real casual stop slowly. What is he saying there ludicrous? What are you saying he's saying that were used to this were used. As this is violent rhetoric sure war rhetoric, but there was no body count on cross Why are so? He is accepting. See and ends crossfire C and ends cross fire. And saying that there was no body count and also by the way, retroactively mocking every Democrats position in two thousand eleven retroactively saying That was completely fine. What do you mean? I was on cross fire? You guys, I was ready body count their correct that it was the exact opposite position they took when it was thought initially that

Republican may have shot a congressperson course that one I'm not being true, but when they thought it was true, They said it was about the violin rendering was we gotta? Stop the violent rhetoric, contrary fairly early, you don't you know what I want to have a reasonable conversation. I want a demagogic this by in the hours after five people were shot, including the House majority whip. You search, we could said. Hunt Republicans, I mean, was clearly a reference to the assassination attempt against congressmen. Salif it's hard to imagine, how you could justify wedding, something like that in a week in the immediate aftermath of the shooting it's at the Sandy hook school, we heard people say this is not the time to talk about gun violence. We ve heard lots of things holidays. This is what does that have to do hasn't? But I have to do we in the immediate aftermath. We don't make policy decisions.

That's that's! When your emotional, you, don't you find out exactly what's going on it's it's. You make terrible decisions the boy emotional. Do we need to talk about an intimate crossteam way things aren't or emotional high. You make really bad decisions and you destroy Full lives that only makes sense, you don't strike out in anger, It also seems like when you have your quarterback and he gets hurt and then your backup comes ended. He gets hurt and then your third string guy comes in a he gets hurt and then you have to have the punter be quarterback for the rest of the game. That's this His role, the democratic party- he is not good at this. But I thought you were saying you are encouraging gun violence. We don't I I'm going to urging going islands in writing every euro. I once I get aided by what do we mean by they don't have brought it about you, not some other paper unequally, this

what's banality by this act? And I don't know you didn't you and others we see stuff like this, and this is not an agreement- has been about we're not with resolve. So your excuse, apparently as other people, It does not. It is not here. I ask you to let something that you wrote and why don't you explain why? Don't you go back and for too long, Republicans in this country have failed to distinguish the differences between politics and war, and a lot of Democrats have failed to see this laboratories, so you guys either have to tone down the rhetoric or we have to step up unbelievable I don't feel like anything lawbreakers pot. Republicans along with a pale and put the crosshairs on Congress, started saying, hunt obligations, dismally, Sousa difference this sir appeal and that before this right within hours of someone attempting to assassinate, it'll. He wasn't a shooter he's an assassin, Sir Pelo,

location to was target these districts for election purposes. His implication hunt them down and shoot them because happened right at heart is shooting there there's a target. The district is different from believe Hunt. Republicans what what how do you hunt? You aren't with a gun? What was guy doing, he was hunting. He had a list of people he was trying to kill. He was an assassin. That's like after Oswald, you say, Hunt, soviets onto Russians in Amerika Hunt, hunt Republicans, then you what talking about you. You Don't use that after someone has attempted to assess, someone's moon is. Obviously the timing. There is crush a crucial, I mean

Is there thing and by the way, Democrats were also using maps with targets on them? At the youth, denying women This is, I know, but this been so over done and the press here and the democrats- and this is your point- I think We all know this. We all know this is if it's, if it's an obvious thing, both sides have always done it. This guy's point even his ridiculous point today that the Democrats need to start doing it more, isn't even valid. All a bizarre justification. My guess is east. He at the moment tried to do something controversial, so he would tension has there were in that aid right, the social media age, where here's an unknown Hunter level, quarterback try. To make a name for himself and the democratic are an insult to all punter soon it is, it is, but that's why said punter level quarterback hunters are found none. I know this as an end.

To all parliamentary level quarterbacks. Ok, this is the water boy who, oh, my god, it's a cow I visit has not even in the stadium here is not seen a football. He thinks footballers soccer, that's how far away he is- and this is a guy who thinks saying something like this- will. It can brave, so he can get on television and stand out from the other nine thousand democratic consultants out there. But this has not. He is a guy. He is speaking a different here speaking a different language, and I don't think he is speaking american it might be English but he's not speaking american. So the question is. Why is he doing this? I don't know: is this healthy how do we respond, that is what is tripped me up for the last. Probably for years you have been asking me Glenn

so we get out of it and I've. Given you pull attitudes I've, given you well stick by your principles and quite honestly on. I've said this to you before I've geese, A powerful political arena have they been lying to you. What I've like well, there's a way out. We're gonna have been lying because I know there is. I just haven't been able to find it. I dont know what it is. I have been doing a lot of studying and a lot of soul searching in the last eight months in the last four. Months. I've really gone to work and buckled down and and got up off the floor and said: okay, enough is enough this the the the Sir, is surrender.

Find a new way to live and I knew I didn't want to surrender I've been here before as an alcoholic. I was down on the floor in in my parliament that smelled like soup, and I was broke and out- and I was the floor and I thought to myself. I'm here they're gonna die and commit suicide. Now done- or going to stand up and start again And I didn't have any idea when I stood up what it was gonna take and for a long time I didn't know. I've done it again and this time I am at the beginning of really knowing exactly where we need to go, and I want to share some that with you. When we come back first, our spots eyes, IVO, solve them of why your apartment building smelled like soup.

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The glad that programme mercury I want to talk to you about something that I have been reading. There are five books that I'm thinking everybody literally everybody in this company reed and one of them is called tribal leadership and it is by Dave, Logan, John King and Hayley Fisher right and it's good book on. You know, tribes, if you, if you read Seth Godin or anything like that, you know what tribes are in your company and its a good management book? It's that does not fantastic stop kind of change. You know, everything on management books. This is a good book. Burma as I'm reading this What kind

to mind. Was there not just talking about companies here. This is a great way to describe. Where we are in the United States at it talks about five stages of tribe. And I'm gonna go over real, quick and then I want to explain how this goes into the country and going to it. As is as it was meant to be explained in work places. The first stage of tribes, Is the lowest stage, and it is you a place where every They think just life sucks. I am- This is what a lot of dm visa like where in this life size and you have you know you are fighting and the whole ways you have. You know hi theft, every is this miserable their hats?

bad place. High suicide rates. I've never worked in a place like that, but bad the next level is my life sucks because first level, all life sucks just life sucks. Second level is my life sucks because- and it's usually things like my life sucks, because I've got this bad boss, think of the office k they're all there in that particular case there not normal, but there they could all go out in real life and be generally normal. You know, but if somebody working hours yet about satellite yeah, but but its beak as their boss and their work is so crazy and nobody's getting anywhere. Nobody has a chance of an avid advancement. The place

Never gonna change, they ve tried all kinds of stuff, but in oh yeah right we're gonna change. We ve tried that before, but my life sucks, because. The third level, is, I Ok, you suck and that's where people at work go yet, don't talk to anybody else. Argued that done. Just don't worry about it, I'll get it done, and there are those few p. Call headers confident in their abilities. They work the system they can get it done her. Life is good and their building up to get out of there. Ok, my life My life is great: I'm ok, everybody else around here, there's two more state above that and you can relate to these if you ve ever worked in these places before, but I want to show how it applies to us as Americans back in a minute

bag programmes. The programme or talking about a book called tribal leadership that I've been working with my staff on and there about five books that I want to share with you and I ve been talking about some of them on the television show at five o clock, but I really one take you along for the ride on this, because I think it's the answer to a man I've been looking for some other answers in turn, only end and externally theirs There is of problem in America that we're all feeling and we all we all know it. So now, let's, let's go back to this book about war,

stage. One is life sucks stage too, is a company where you know say my life, sexism, my boss, because this is in my way because of education, because the The bosses tried thing but he's not going to stick to them. There's always an excuse and what happens and its base. In reality, I, when I say it's there is always an excuse, it's based in reality, but what happened. Is it starts to a good start. To reward entrenched, mediocrity and calcified stage three I'm ok, everybody else here sucks stage for is really where very few companies ever get most companies are in stage two or stage three Stage four is

company where everybody says we're. Ok, we're doing great. It's our competition that sucks the problem is outside we're doing a great job but boy they suck and you really want to get too is a stage five company, where a stage five, company is- this is great, I don't even know how we're getting all this stuff done is so great and I don't care about either. Other people to come and join us. Why people coming here. This is so great. And you don't worry about competition. Raising you just focus on what you're doing As I'm reading this I am looking at in saying we used to be a five stage. Country we were the country in the eighteen hundreds and really for very long time that we didn't say the other nations sucked.

When we were when we were at our founding and when we were at our best. We, Just worried about us like this? Is great, I used to see what we're doing over here. He's come over here and people were looking over to us and that's when they get the statue of Liberty look at what we look good America's doing, because all we, focused on was what we call accomplish and we didn't Bother anybody else. We didn't hate anybody else. We just we're doing our thing now, let's nice view of it forgetting the Indians and slaves and everything else. But, generally speaking, That was the american experiment. Now listen to this part in this book tribal leadership. It talks when there's a stage five company and I'm making this into a country when there's a stage five country

They, if the founder of the company leaves its not uncommon that it falls to a stage to company, and you will hear people in the company say well this place. Still stand for something, but it doesn't anymore. Back in the day. We would have done it this way, but we don't anymore, add that to this place, socks because the people or run in this place, they just don't get it. I can fix this company but nobody will listen to me. As I'm reading this book about companies. Let's turn that into citizens. What are the citizen saying? The citizens are saying in a stage too

company the problem is. Everybody feels like no one's listening to me in a stage to country. Which I contend, whereat ever But he saying nobody's listening to me. I can fix this. If they were just look, in the US. Why are you did that guy? Why the guy MO everybody down what yesterday or the day before in England at the mosque, if you see him, get out of his car, he practically took a victory lap. He thought he was a hero. He most all these Muslims down and he gets out waves is ends up like yeah. Why did that happen gang? You just witnessed the barber effect in England That was the barber effect here.

He was doing a good thing. Why. Because no one in the government is listening to the people there making excuses for breaks it. What breaks it is all about Is the same feeling we have here in Amerika, I think Like we're losing our culture, I feel like we're losing who we are. I feel like we're losing the west. And your bringing people in that we know are dangerous. We just no, whose dangerous Do you won't even admit that Amy one is dangerous? That's not right, and so the people feel like. I could fix this. Damn thing

If people were just listen to me, but nobody is listening to me now. Here's the real problem you get to stage too and a stage to company can only- and this explains Donald Trump. Stage to companies can only be brought up to a stage three company by someone who's speaks the language of stage to people. What did everybody say about Donald Trump? He talks. You speak the language of the guy sitting. That's next to the bar he's the guy, whose looking up at the tv and scientists assaults tupid crap right.

He was speaking the language. I wasn't. I wasn't was no one else was an Achilles. According this book about management, you can't you can't bring a stage to person up, be camping estates. Three up to four can bring for up to five unless you're speaking their language. You have to understand where they live what's happening in their life or not going to be able to bring it up, and the problem is, if you don't bring it up stage Two can go down to stage one ends. Age. One listen to this are

where you find theft, envy greed, avarice, danger, violence, fights lies, accusations, recriminations because and suicides I contend that we are currently a stage to country and we are quickly spiralling into a stage one country, and we are being helped into that position by people like the guy that Tucker curls and had on last night and by just talking about those things, And not offering any other new path we are almost guaranteeing We will go to a stage one and if you

speak, the language of a stage to person. Who says my life sucks, because I can't get health care. My life sucks because its day, various outside and you guys are doing anything about it, and somebody from that speaks the language Tribes says: I'm gonna help you and then you violate their trust in us, makes things worse. It has to be authentic or the tribe grows more disillusioned, a stage five country or company an apple, a Google. In America, when the founder dies goes to a stir to not always, but it's not it's not uncommon. Our founders have died, our founders die,

when we stopped reading and listening to them, We stopped honouring what they wrote when we stopped listening to what They advised us to do it's. It's. Clearly official that are found There's play no role in this country anymore. It's! Why p? pull. Our age feel this country's to stand for something, but you have to understand people, who are seventeen now worry year old, when nine eleven happened, people who were twenty three Really have no memory of Amerika The way we do.

People who are thirty work his when it happened. Thirty it it won't be repaired unless we teach the principles, of the founders? Again, we must restore those things in our own home, but people like me, need to learn how to speak. The language of the poor bull in Ohio of the people in Arkansas the people in upstate new year. That are really really hurting everybody's just trying to survive right now and everybody No, it's the hierarchy of needs.

If you're worried about food and housing and education and health care you're, not caring. Anything else, you don't have the privilege. To worry about anything else, and I failed to listen to that end. That I need to say to you the listening audience. I am sorry I get it. I think. Next week. I'm gonna do a show. Just you and me might do one might do to, depending on how you know how the first day goes. But I just want to do with you, and I want to listen to you, I've several questions. I want to ask you also this week for Members of the blaze I'm due

a show on Thursday live five Pm Eastern M Eastern Clock. Central doing a show live, In just you on the phone or you on skype- and will give you all the details, but I ll be the regular number that you calling on here aided eight seventy seven Bc K, if you, if you found anything worthwhile in what I just said. May I suggest that you read: the book tribal leadership and the New York Times. Bestseller. Aren't you know when it came out? It's it's not a new book tribal leadership and look at this not only for your company, but also look at this. The country and I, like I said I have four five books- that I would like you to to read that are

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there's gotta be a fascinating conversation. There is a new book out by Stephen Cobbler and Jimmy we'll Stephen is on, but this is called stealing fire how Silicon Valley, the Navy, seals and maverick scientists are revolutionary revolutionizing. The way we work and live. This is about getting into the flow, and it takes you to places that are very unexpected, and I'm not sure I really understand here, but it's gonna be a fascinating conversation. The idea that TIM Ferris says that the billionaires that he knows in Silicon Valley are followers Eve jobs, advice and they're, all taking lsd or micro doses of masculine, and that's

why there able to change the world and see these solutions- stealing fire. Where do you that fire. We begin right now. The fusion of entertainment and didn't might the Glen Programme, Steve walk into the programme blood you here I have to be honest with the only read in a fifty pages of the book, and I'm not sure I understand, let me just ask you one question before we see we get into it to make sure I do understand what the point is here.

James Valentine he was not taking any drugs. He was just. He had a different kind of experience, but the same effect as it yeah. Ok, Ok, so I just wanted to know that, like Saudi now, you can start at the beginning is now. I think I got it absolutely if I can put it in historical context for it, because it's the thinking routing we right away you there, but it's the is the easiest way to frame this up back at the turn of the century Nineteen o to William James, who is a Harvard philosopher and psychologists and sort of kind of through the Godfather western philosophy The observation, the whole Lou of experience is what all these experiences profound north of happy, so these are state of awe certain kinds of mystical experiences like Trans state or states produced by prayer or yoga or meditation or even simply psychedelic is

Its or flow states, which is what what we study at the flowed you not brought it, might help in Jimmy we'll I wrote the book with, which are those states of optimal states consciousness. Worse feel our best reform, but you noticed that all these, Eight will really really similar. They produce very similar psychological changes at us. They seem to heal anxiety, he'll trauma and they give us to lift this up to incredible heights and they re very similar kind of physical experiences in us and we sort turn our back on it like we weren't really interested altered its consciousness of that point. Bright came along The logical problems are much more interesting, destroyed a fix people, and that was psychology did for about a hundred years. Till the late nineties when somebody want hey, you know, there's a whole upper realm of experiences we haven't looked at. And now we have and we as it turns out, we using a high powered brain imaging technology Games right, there's very, very low. Difference in the brain of. You're in the zone moving now I'm out and face or say, as you pointed out,

in the beginning, a you know, a billionaire micro dosing with psychedelic or some medical very similar things happen in the brain. They produce very similar feelings and us may have similar benefits. Ok, so let let's get get into this is as I like. I've read fifty five pages this morning. Just trying to get ready for this, and I wish I were to pick the book up earlier, because I think I gotta tell you by the way, fifty five pages here, you're doing well compared to a lot of people. I talk to you I mean variously that Europeans I'm embarrassed that I've only rid fifty five but the the the idea here is, I'm fascinated. Because I believe, as long as we're not talking about a drug drug, only state in the flow Irene secretly truly believe that from two thousand and seven to about two thousand twelve I experienced that

and just being in the flow- and it was a very different, healing and and real high high clarity mine was a mine was not drug induce, but I I I could explain it to you and I think it, the way, John Valentine, James Valentine would explain that as well. So I think there are. There is something here to people who Do you mind if I ask you a question? We have triggered that experience. If you like what at the front end of it? Well, we will you what was going on your life that that brought that on? It was a a a deep spiritual connect. Then of pro found gratitude. The service. Our hope so interesting like you

experience and it is very long lasting. It's, it's not helpers high was discovered by AL look I've! A big brother pics just back in the ninety is essentially a flow state right. Let's justified flow for your listers who don't know you know, what exactly is it flow? a fair return for being in the zone being unconsciously play a lot about what those moments rapt attention and total absorption we could sell focused on what you're doing everything else vanishes you sent itself goes away time ashes strangely slows down rural speed up his woods. It's what legs,

seals and people describe when their when they're at the height of going into Kilo. Some a Bin laden time slows down. Everything else disappears, so there's a there's. A now, that's a very acute like went highest was founded that that, through very acute, is a lot of additional brand brought involved a little bit, but I certainly helpers high. They flow state produced by alter its view, even can get a little taste of it. You ve ever donated to keep or in our mind, charity or anything like that. You'll get away blush of that kind of feel good feeling on the back end. Yes, you just got it for a very long time. I wasn't. I run a dog actuary and arms, we do Hospice Karen Special needs. Karen. We live in a very poor community and we work here and actually in Libya and end like to do this work and she run on helpers. So is the difference between that and

just the dope a mean that you get from the Vienna, the League of your Facebook or your email act like what is the difference and know the debt. So the differences are we moving too? A couple of things happened. First of all, you get so most of what what what they called, when he first century normal you and I were our brains- are right now, there's a lot activity can behind our forehead, once known as the prefrontal cortex, which is your executive function, your attention morality, yourselves sensitive. Will language function all that stuff, that's gone crazy and

Most of us live would like their steady drip, drip drip of stress hormones like quarter fallen, nor up an average. That's what psychologists talk about his twenty first century normal? Essentially as you move into all of the states that happens in meditation accident, incomplete states like yoga, it happens and flow states, whether their tribune triggered by actual venture sport or by music Right James Valentines, experiencing under these deep transit playing music. You can it is. You know, waits can talks a lot about chosen flow, very, very common in a lot of different things that require intense, focused on the present moment or alter ism your case, and so what happened to you? Moving to those states is active in the pre frontal. Cortex gets really quiet dies down. That's why you're self disappear if the inner critic that nagging always on to feed his voice, your head gook wide in those states, because the inner critic is basically calculated in your prefrontal cortex and that part of the brain starts to shut.

Down, we can perform the calculation, so you're in a critic goes way time ass, a strangely customs calculated all over the prefrontal cortex and what goes away can't leopard past present from future all blends together into what research is called a deep now and to your question the stress hormones, nor up and after and cordial they get flight out of our system. They get replaced by matches delta me. Dublin itself is a very powerful. You know feel good neural chemical it'll bought a performance Nanda benefit, but you also get endorphins insert thrown in man. The mine oxytocin it if the cocktail that is so powerful and what that cocktail. Does you talk about the Clare

does besides the it ignored, makes us feel selfless. It makes us feel pine, let it also gives it massively you. It massively boosts motivation, so Mckinsey, for example, that the ten year study of top executives in flow and they found the top executives- were five percent more productive and flood. That's a huge boost and its because, all of these same neural chemicals, there feel good drugs that, from the most addictive pleasure chemicals, the brain bruise flows dynamic it all it wanted produce you'd spike in motivation, paused spike, rather like a positive addiction, and so your your job now is to try to figure out how the trip us into this flow yeah wheat. So over the past you know flow scientists is strict back hundreds of years but recently past ten years we ve been able to look under the light for the first time worthies experience is coming from and we ve been able to

backwards, and we now know that flow state have triggers preconditions led the more flow dark and individual Turk triggers what you are. I could use on our own to driver shells and flow and then, as a shared collective version of low state on his group low it's what happens with ever been in a great brainstorming sessions. You wash the ban come together and amused starts to soar or for that matter, if you saw the Superbowl last year's off. Fourth quarter come back right as despicably there with patriots in the fourth quarter. Everybody comes together for Pollux more, like ballet. That's grew flow with Israel rely, I'm so heavily to tee, coming together being able to pick out of the eight like a collective organism. Ok, when we come back, I one of heavy go through some of those ten things that can be put into the name of the book is stealing fight How Silicon Valley Navy seals in maverick scientists are revolutionizing the way we work and the way we live? First, this upside dot com can not

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in these states, all of the brain and of basic information. Martin processing machinery gets amplified by. We take more information per second promises. More quickly were able to link ideas together, find so creativity goes to. The real motivation goes through the roof cooperation collaboration, all the so called twenty first century skills. We need so badly right now. Ok, so you gimme, we have about five minutes. Give me the gimme the high points on how to trip yourself into it, so he dose some really kind of basic stop. This is pretty simple. First thing you need to know is that flow shows up on all our attention is focused on the right here right now. So what are very practical level? We go into companies when the first century town is. If you can hang a sign on your door that says bleep off I'm flowers, you are in trouble. Cash flow requires ninety two hundred twenty minute periods of cotton.

Patients really bring it out, which is by one of the recent monetary education self effective its built, around ninety honour twenty minutes of uninterrupted concentration periods right that they use. This is why Montessori kids, you know see so much flow and end up testing better than so many other kids on any testy, throw at them very simple thing: wanna get it take it. One notched up will go When two occurred that often called the golden rule of law, known as a challenge, skills balance the idea, You have really simple. All triggers are things that help drive attention at the present moment rights and we pay the most attention to the task at hand when the calendar, the task lately exceed their skills that do you wanna stretch, but not now, and cause if you're sort of a higher more timid, maybe deliver underachiever, whatever the sweet spot is outside your comfort zone.

After we push yourself outside your standard comfort zone for really super high, productive top performers type aid types. The problem here is they blow pass the sweet spot. They will take on challenges that are so much bigger than they need to be into one of things, we always tell people is in their stuff. If you speak of your Taipei, you gotta go slow to go faster than theirs. You know, there's a cunning, neurobiological, regulated sweet spot as to how we pay attention and when you hit it really drives focus. Ok, go ahead them in just a couple places to start. So do you do you do this with? Are you guys doing this work with Companies coming back and saying we, last week I was asked what we spend a day with all the top senior man management at top executives in America. Trade ended that put the bigger point is destined. We learn

you know. We ve learned this over the years in our inner inarticulate deliver classes and, for example, we did eight six, we training at Google couple years. That would do. Is a joint learning exercise retry from stuff out We train them up in cups for high performance basics like sleep. I can't get enough sleep at night. Time stops real basic and then for flow triggers. How do you deploy these in your life After a six week period, they did about an hour of homework a day spread out throughout the day, but it took a look tat mark, but not upon the thirty five to eighty percent increase in flow. So it was at hand. Axed say Mackenzie article I talked about our these aims. Same study found that an inverse set increase in workplace flow. Double over were overall workplace productivity. So, worse it. What we ve learned is not only the flow of triggers. The stuff is really easy to teach it's not it's. Beyond its flight at everybody, everybody is basically were hardwired. Sat will wired for high performance, so

once you start understanding how the stuff work you can really step on the ass, so you didn't you don't have to do this through. Drugs out of chemical means, trial In fact I mean you, you know there are lot there. You have to understand that what you're talking about his form, ecology today he has a long history of strong reactions, lots of politics. Let the mass goes back a long time tomorrow. You can we talking about the Ici had said the saps. Your brain in particular way were already getting that right. We have the Ici headset thick and die. Hell of a lot of kind of the underline neurobiology of

and they're. Getting better virtual reality is better. It is really good at this as well. So, like you have feelings about hey, I don't want to. I don't wanna, take pharmacological rout, totally fine right, absolutely valid. You know what I mean like not for everybody, but you know it an interesting by because you know our idea, that with internal and comes from us, it's pure and whole and sacred, you know in and drugs or are drugs drug jerk heaters, hey there, their bad or whatever. Fine, ok, that's where we are right now, but tomorrow it's gonna be an app on your phone. That's where you get really adjusting well, I want to talk to you about that a little bit because some

you say this is this- can be really really good or highly destructive. Well, so earlier I mentioned that you get all five of these really potent neuro chemicals there very addictive all you know. I mean it. There's no external drugs, cocaine for most addictive drug on earth. All it does is blood. The blame brain with doping me right Opel Mean, is the drug that makes up the Mozilla behaviour, rightness, ambling, addiction, sex dish and shopping inaction. You know, cocaine, addiction doesn't matter so you're getting at the payment dodges nor chemistry uses. These states can be very, very effective and you don't wanna things, for example, create talk about this about one of the reasons creative he's very hold on hold on just a second stealing bears the name of the book back in just a second

back programme. That programme we're talking to Stephen Cobbler Jamie, we'll wrote a book called stealing fire and its is basically about Oh, you can get into a super focused and productive state like five hundred Higher than where are you normally are to be able to solve price plums and end, see the world in a completely different way and it surprising, as when I first picked it up, it did talks about him Ferris. Why respected grey? deal who has done crazy things. Do his body just to check it out here know what, for

What foods am I really processing? I'm gonna put a I put a little process are in in, a body to be able to really check blood sugar. I mean he's crazy. Think in a good way. The eyes I started reading this and I haven't read all of it. It is. It appeared though it was going towards a place of a you know. Maybe you know, LSD is the way to go. That's not the point here. The point can He- and I think you see it even in the Bible for anybody was religious where these guys gone off and prayed all day and all night and they come back and they ve got it therein the flow they have concentrated and focused and found prayer. Does this to you to some people? It can totally change. I think your body chemistry

It does right for sure absolutely suddenly you're saying I am sorry, we had interrupted with a break Stephen go ahead, worries you. If you'd asked about as their dark side here, you'd out the great upside, the dark, I mean, store clay. We talked earlier group lot right. What happens? The whole collective group people well great oratory, especially if you can't be that ordered or with lights and sound in us and other things can move people into this state right. Victor Turner from the inertia Chicago anthropologist What about it called it community eyes, and he was talking about it. He was talking about Hitler. He was talking about hey you, no great despots, great orator. Mood. Gonna can move their people, people and it's you know that thing is when the prefrontal cortex the party or brain at shuts down

wow goes away. There is great benefit, there's phenomenal benefit, but it also shuts down certain critical thinking faculties, certain long term reasoning, faculties right. This were not meant to live in these states right. Somebody comes out to me about once a month said Stephen. Oh my god. You study me I'm in flow all the time, and I think you know I used to not know I used to be really guttural now, like you know, I gotta tell you the truth. We gotta work for that. We College of Radio network fuller disorder. Urge you to take. Take your pick, a whole bunch of those. You know, diseases that are right on the edge of these experiences right I mean the altered states backroom start on dreams and one and goes to schizophrenia on the other We're talking about two states that are in the middle right and end there. You know very, very powerful, but there's downside these states are

did. I said earlier. The creative king of the highest suicide rate out of any profession and creative need flow to do their jobs. As a writer, I can tell you this, but I had to get really good at this, mostly out of survival ride. Like that it that's that's where on a lot of it came from you know in the beginning, for me just as a writer, but if you can come into these states pretty quickly, you knock inhabit Result, Stephen could have you ever read Jonathan hates book the righteous mind yeah. Absolutely I got you. I'd get a chance to meet a dominant. Longer, amazing guys any yes, so in that he talks a little bit about the printed the rider he he d talks about things cutting down and the and the hits that we get from all of these positive self made drugs and

he kind of uses that in a way and in speaking to him off the air, I you know he I've said. Yes, I mean a job and I think you ve come up with you know with with part of a solution, to solve our nations problems and being able to talk to each other the levy? Limerick, in word, for you, I'm working on a conference right now. So what happened to the terrorist training camp? They put people on a well, that's been. If you look a kind of coptic programming right, am I don't we tell people to flow, didn't write, it don't go shopping flow, state, everything's, going the great night, and so I'm I'm I'm working with a lot of different people than the first Barbara right now to talk about this. Biological addiction under it all the socio political, stop that average terrorism you're dealing with an addictive behaviour and really potent neural chemistry, so you have to if you're, not people I for me, people always talk about if you're gonna fight terrorism

you, gotta get to the source of the sources neurobiological at all of us that source. My life must be an account state of flour right like so so Stephen here is stop so levied this a step further and of probably conversation. I should have off the air with your butt, I am looking, I am very concerned about, for instance, last, week when the assassination attempt happen at the ball Park, you know? I immediately got on the air and said: look there's going to be two kinds of people there be, those who are saying so This is what happened in you caused blah blah blah or see now yours, I did this in the end that feel good. It's gonna feel good to bash people, and argue people and everything else, then, is the other people who know that's not healthy and

It starts healthy to read it, it's not healthy to be part of it. You gotta stale, way from that stuff and I Explain on the year that you know when you see quote your side, have a time of righteous in nation. You're gonna get all kinds of hits of dopamine, and I think I think Facebook and especially Twitter, is, is just over a loading us with dope of it's a double here right, you get one yet so robbers policies work at Stanford, where one of the reasons is so other floaters jasper, quick to back this into novelty complexity, unpredict, predictability, all brabble detention driving the present moment, a massively spiked help me

that when we look at facebook- and we may or may not have a matter, somebody may or may not have liked our poster or or whatever right, if there's alike there, we get. A former british spike in dope mean that almost cocaine levels now added to that right. You gotta figure out first order. Business of the brain is Bible. So the brain is costly scanning the environment for danger, letting occasional pause if things through but is really looking to make you feel safe. So when you show up on twitter and not only has somebody posted, you know that you're hate screen, they they David David. Second, the motion to you: now you get that foreign represent dope means from that somebody bull. Somebody agrees with you: you're safer in the world for a numbers, its fundamental shared by our rights, only it's a double hit and that you know it's. You do you're, absolutely right, we're looking at addictive behaviour and its spiral no place.

Is so that's where that's where I'm stuck with with Jonathan hates work is he's got a way out, but we don't have the dope me, we don't have the thing that triggers us in the flow in a positive way. You know you're, sick because what lessons we know about flow is fifty sixty years of others of worker, horror and other places, the kind of back this up is the more axis you get the stay right. You talk about how we can help you solve complex problems. Right near reason, it happens is in the state not only information, processing, totally jacked up, but

at the expanse we take in different information and whether we can ride like one of the problems, for example in the environment on movement, has is people who live in the cities and the fifty years of ECHO's ecology that backs up going insane nature because we stop having a process it? It's not your ridicule. We don't even look at it so like when you try to have an environmental discussion was somebody's living in New York. It doesn't matter how much they care about the planet actually can't taken the raw dad right. We have filters biases and confirmation by the strongest among them we get past those biases weeks ban be on them in these states. These states over time they why empathy and this is kind of water and they give us the ability. The reason we can safeguard of challenges. You start really see multiple perspectives from all the way around the problem. Why, as you said yourself, which normally drives the boss, which is all those filters is turned off so

in the summer we go in summer. My family goes up to the mountains where there is in light. For you know, twenty five miles easy, there's like now body and we stand, and you can see that the milky way three d and in color When I was living in New York, I remember I first went out and- and I stood out there for hours- and it was the first time in the years that I had thought We are small and insignificant. Did you get the time stood out where you? Yes, yet at the four that is essentially the front end of a flow state right? It's the prefrontal cortex going wholly crap, there's a lot of stuff up there. I problem? Is it because the conscious brain is very limited and only hold onto something they want Dumbson over the subconscious, which is what happens in flow right and the subconscious takes over, which can process much more information per se

and at times even slow down. It's actually a measure of information process in the brain, the more Europe the same, the slower it's going, that's what's happening. Are you in a constant state of low? No, I mean I do you know I'm not. I am I mean my life I produced. I do six things. Five then produce flow like a really really. Really will be down, I'm very good at this, but so you get into it. Pretty much anytime. You want well, yes it now. I mean I will tell you that feeling fire, for example, this particular book. Ever it is it's my knife, a book it was very challenging book. The result with the result is a massive amounts of information, massive amounts of data across six or seven disciplines. Tremendous wants a research. Very our dissemble wasn't in flowed for the entire book. I've. Never

experience like that? It was really a struggle, and you know that I'm fifty years old and one of the rest of the world- and that was my experience- so you get better at it for sure, and you can use it to do grazed often level of your career. But that's not enough. I leave their expertise out there. You know a shirt I dont know about it. Yet would you would you say this is a little bit like that? Did you see the movie timeless with Bradley Cooper a limitless. My roaming was seized my existence, I yell at let my friend Leslie Road and every time a more outdoor, I'm just like you have no idea every conversation. I want the limitless bill. I have had this sound somewhat like that to go right over the third floor, it in a natural right and and by the way there. I mean there is no limitless pill week week. We've barely of the brain imaging technology at this point is fine, the neurochemical steep in the brains like we're always from that pill. That says they will get there using optogenetics something else. First,.

On before we get there in a bill as disappointing news, I'm not saying you will be able to turn it off like a light switch, we view you will it'll just be using different, acknowledge them than probably get a farmer logical fabric alot. Interventions, sparely crude and how they interact with their wisdom, and we can get much more precise. Now, when you are fascinating, and I love to talk to you- spend some time off air and and and also just next time here in town heavy here at year. Diseases is fascinating, and I'm sorry that I didn't get that a whole book and we'll have you on again when I have finished the book. Thank you so much Stephen Plenary sitting. The name of the book is stealing fire or how Silicon Valley in the Navy, seals and maverick scientists are revolutionizing the way we live in the way we work that fit on the cover That is why in the flowing arose that's his day. I can read it five hundred times faster than now.

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I don't want to. I mean, of course, didn't understand a sports reference at all, but we everybody's bid in the zone in anyone's mind in the zone at some point in their lives, whether its sports, whether isn't in at work, whether its I mean doing so many different things, and it's like you. If you could actually just turn that autonomy, we would completely change your life and and probably change the world, because we could actually figure out how to do that along a large population. Audio and, like you said, dark side. Is you be careful turning it on you don't. We turn it on before a great candidates speech who you might want to turn that zone. Off because they landed it. If that candidate has ill will play right. India's zone, I mean it. That's just I mean I've ridiculous idea, though, like a politician would have ill will, that's crazy dog could never have known ass. Really interesting. Immunity it's funny, because that's really what politicians do when you know with

red, white and blue and the balloons and the ban on site meant there they're trying to put you into that high its position, to you know it's it's old fashioned propaganda. If you will The star spangled banner and Uncle SAM and I think this was the back programme. Mercury