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Ep #174- The Daily Best of GB Podcast: 9/5/18  - Showdowns and Temper Tantrums? - For The First Time Since 2011? - Bob Woodward vs. President Trump? - Culture Outrage (w/ Meghan Daum) 

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The blaze radio network on demand do and welcome to today's festive Todd, cast, join with back as well Getting over what's gonna show, but before it gets that I'd like to know how you feel about getting daily for the festive submarines, something that like is it possible that we have obviously pull show available as well like having a shorter version that, on certain where we do not have time to get. Everything any floating. If you have a heavy blow dates, leave it in the comments followed, podcast and let us know what you think about getting this best over the dead were invested in her thoughts. We're going to cabin on hearings in this is a big issue. What goes on in the country, but also
incident where one of the park Lane fathers, when paternal shake just Y, know shake his hand. You just wanted to shake his feelings when, even until you hear the real story that happen that happen interest Bob Woodward. His book is coming up next week. Is there any new it among others, certainly new color and new accusations and in fighting globular anything new and learn, and I want to know why people who support trump are angry at this. Assuming Take out all the he said. She sits in all the name calling and all that because you'll never know, if that's true so take that up. Let's look at what the meat of what he said in the is there anything new and isn't it a lot of the stuff that you wanted cuz? I know I talked to you but we're like it. I really I'm hoping that xyz here. It is and on the media side, where you can
both you can't say, there is no deep state and then suppose that people are taking things off of his desk and keeping him in the dark, because there working a duly elected president, this time. I ever heard anyone say a duly elected president about this gap, but here it is which one are you want, and we have worsened Bitcoin, as well as a really interesting story with a writer from the other times, Valise be mainstreamed, publications and she talks about how she gives you We always asking for right. Someone is on the left, who will actually consider that? Maybe this fact is it right that the left, his talent for This conservative point has some merit it's what world talking about wanting and hear some who actually went through this process and discovered
some really interesting things that we get into antibodies. Podcast. Did you really You only thinking it's Wednesday in September. A go group go wrong, also known as confusing or disorganized situation. If you're, in the military or a veteran, either a goat rope or a cluster. You know what a complete dumpster fire. The Cavanaugh hearing was yesterday. It was. It was shameful, an embarrassing this is the United States of America Senate Judas. Very committee, chair person, Chuck rashly got a few words into his opening statement before
All the democratic presidential hopefuls began ridiculously interrupting. Listen just do a little bit the morning. I welcome everyone to this confirmation. Hearing on the nomination of Mr Brett Cavanaugh is determined to serve as a social justice. Is the chairman I'd like re, reorganise Vietnam? I stated before we proceed regular work, Mr Chairman. I'd like to be recognised to ask a question before we proceed. The committee received just last night, less than fifteen hours ago, this war, German right now and pages of documents that we have not had an opportunity to review or reed or analyze you're you're out of order up. We cannot possibly move forward. Mr chairman, I did a very warm welcome. Not they are given the opportunity to have a meaningful wiring. You know what even see this type of behaviour in junior high school hears,
Senators like Carmelo Harris, Corey Booker, Richard Blumenthal, they were leading their own version of Occupy Wall Street. Am I check my jack MIKE Jack? That's what was happening yesterday. This is what's happening. Our colleges and our universities you'll just go in and you'll just high jacket and as if on cue, a handful of shrieks could be heard as platoon of protesters led by Linda our sore began yelling and holding up signs in the back of the room here. So a little bit of what that sounded like Linda Sorcerer, this? This is who the Democrats are idolizing, Linda starts work. It was total sideshow, representing the app
worst in american politics, political role the democratic senators held a conference call on Labour day to decide what kind of charade they wanted to do. The first plan was to stage a massive walk out, but they did that plan thinking, it would play the GEO Peace favour. They eventually agreed that these shout down a tactic that you'll find basically at every leftist protest or yet now we have elected officials, mimicking groups like occupy Wall Street within the halls of the Senate. What's next, why don't we all just imitate and mimic anti far and really for what Cavanaugh looks liberal compared to or such. We never saw those fireworks at his hearing and the documents that got dumped on a few hours prior seriously now front you
Suddenly in two reading, what's put in front of, you is old and busted its old in Boston To say things like, oh, I don't know we have to pass the bill, so we can find out. What's in it, what about? What about the two thousand two hundred thirty two pages omnibus? Did you read that before it was dropped on you just a few hours before you all voted on it, I am all for reading anything before making a decision, but don't suddenly start carrying now when that's never been your policy before and the documents that they're so outraged. Why are they being withholding. Well, they know good and well that those documents will never and can never be released. The papers are controlled by the Bush White House and our communications to the president. No
resident! No president, let me say it again: no precedent has release those kinds of documents, more information you know before Taking a big decision is always the preference, but the Democrats have chosen to make these Cubans, their rallying cry because they know there is no chance of any one ever seeing them, because no president has ever ever release them. This is a red herring, it's a goat rope, it's a cluster, it's a clown car however, you want to describe it. It's a charade, a temper tantrum to draw attention. Democrats just use the Cavenaugh hearings
The play like the toddler, who decided to lay down in the store, kicking and screaming, because mom and dad just would not buy them a toy, welcome to kindergarten, the set up of Cavenaugh First Wall, but simply humans. For second, can we just be humans. His children had to be removed from the hearing of the most important thing, that will probably a bill ever experienced in their lifetime? How many of us have had a dad that was being considered to be a bit me? You know a Supreme Court justice. How many times in history does that happen? Have what is the decorum of something like that in Amerika shouldn't? There
ease some decorum. It's a pretty serious job and there, but there's a trade off, have have to consider know if you're a Cory Booker or you know of Kemal Harris, which is yes, there's the terrified children. But then there is also the sound clip that you get a ride and see in the primary, which says how oppose you really you're a too bright cavanaugh. As I mean. What do you know? What inspires it's? Not even it's not even the Kampala, Harrison Corey Booker in an all of that is. Why was that not cleared? Why was that hearing room not cleared. When you have to remove children, while ass Chuck rashly who, who made it very clear the problem with it with it, was he didn't run the committee right grass heat. I was actually a really funny clip diseases like I've been criticized. Other people this before, and I just you know you if you're not running the committee, that the committee is running itself and we need to get this under control,
he was able to and step up enough. You didn't he added to his credit. He let everybody do what they wanted to. He wasn't trying to shut anyone down, which is not what you're gonna hear from the media, but he he really didn't. Up into started. Nonsense is women. You have to remove someone's children, because there too freaked out by it that should tell you something America should tell you we're what what? What are we? Turning into now, can be mad about this. But I'm going to explain why you should not be about this because you please do recklessly into their hands, but we we do need grass to clear the room and to make it very clear, even sit here and you watch it, but you don't have a right to disrupt it and if you decide did I clear the room and you go watch it on tv. You protest outside, but not in here we're doing business
And there's nothing wrong with that. There's no secret hearings. It's all televised go watch it we're trying to do business. That needs to be done. With the set up of the parkland father, whose shockingly could just be put on within five men so trying to shake avatars hand. He was booked on CNN what a crazy Kuwait! How did he get there while that's vast and it just say, was no set up. There was no set up, he was just there. He just wanted to shake hands. Now. Let me ask a question left and right you're in a hearing for how many hours you are surrounded, surrounded by people who art attacking you, your children were so freaked out that they were taken out by purity you ve, had
people around you and in front of you attacking you four hours literally. You are your ears have to be ringing after that. You have to be like almost all most. You know some sort of traumatic brain injury from just getting kicked in the head. For that long, you stand up. Security is on both sides of you there just trying to get you out of the room. Everything that you have done is foreign to you. You ve urban in anything like this ever before in your life, security has been so who stand up you're still kind of dizzy from getting kicked in the head. Every thing You have seen has been set up every
on who has advised, you has said, don't say anything, don't do anything just say you have to say but made up and move on you're getting up your ready to leave. You turn. There's a guy, there's commotion. All the noise in that room. There's commotion you're still a little dizzy, the guy says I Vas zadig job and you're not really hearing him now. Let me take this two ways. First way you dont really hearing him because the noise in the room and everything that your processing in your head reaches out. To shake your hand, the question is sure, processing, I've gotta go where, whereas the security where's my family, I gotta get out of here. Let's, just keep moving on a guy. She puts his hand out to shake all you're here.
Is all of the advisers who say you look you're gonna be set up, just don't do anything do you reach out and take the book from Chavez because you're just in his you don't even know what it is? Do you take the book firms of as knowing that it's probably a set up. That's one even if he knew he was a parkland dad, I don't think parkland dad is. Is there to do anything but set me up dad Parkland dad has an agenda So what's the best move? You have to make this decision right now and you ve never been in that situation before which do you do reach out and shake his hand, possibly after everybody has told you you're being set up after hours of being just right.
Depart you see a guy who you assume is not their fairly, not there, because he really, wants your opinion. Do you shake his hand? Or? U turn round with security, and you leave that's if you heard him or could process it because of everything else, either I dont shake the guy's hand. I've been in that situation so many times so many times where its case Ah around I've got my family had to be had to be removed. I can tell you: I've. Had this exact converse, exact situation, I've? Had my family have to be removed? a stand up, I'm stuck to move security? I am, I am your like
you're in that situation. You are honestly like a bull. In a run. You are a Euro sheep in IRAN, where they're just kind of moving you I've had them pick me up by my pants belt. And move me now, but it didn't happen to him. But then, how confusing these things are. You're just in this shoot- and you don't know your processing other things that you're supposed to do their job is to protect you and get you out of there. You can't process both too much, and so there are pushing you along summit, and I ve had this happened. Somebody will
reach out and I've had it happen? Good and bad I've had set up. I've had just innocent person that just really wanted to say hi. I've had both of them and I ve done both of them if reached out and shook hands mistake I'll, never make again you, are a Supreme court justice. You have just been through something that no other Supreme Court Justice has ever been through. For the media to Set him up with a parkland parent is despicable, whether they inform him whether or not he should be the guy beside the point to pay his family through that the Democrats. Would be ashamed of themselves
Linda SAR Sore should be recognised as the pariah. She is you want to talk about a rat extremists is Linda, SAR Sore and she's in bed with the highest ranking officers in the DNA see it shameful. You do I have to agree with Cavenaugh. You don't have to vote for Cavenaugh, but this is, but you know what This may be beneath Venezuela. This is the best of the plan that programme if you are on the right or you have some common sense there.
There is reason today to be outraged on a couple of things, but let's let stick with a Cavanaugh hearing. And let's just zero in on the parkland father, the Parkland father tweeted. A few days before I am going to be at the Cavanaugh hearing, and I hope to do my art to make sure this man never gets a seat on the Supreme Court. That's his stated goal: the hashtag of Block Brett, cracked, ok, his stated, Oh he's on CNN, as soon as this happens and cabinet turns is, is back to him. Now I dont Kevin. I knew who he was, but let's see he did endless say he knew that security. Had told him look, there's gonna, be a parkland dad. He just tweeted this couple of days ago, he's gonna, be there of year, see anybody from parkland just move. Don't say anything. That's not out of reason that that could have happened. Dont think it did, but it's not
reason: would anybody blame him for that Being set up by a guy. Who says I hope to do my part, I'm gonna, be at the hearing in in a public forum. Was so that he would be held responsible the people who follow him right like he wanted to do something to make a splash correct and he and so the press put him on, and they it him this poor little victim now know in his. Words. This is what He was trying to do so. We could outraged at him. We could be outraged at the media, but we already know about him and we know about the media. What do you do? It's important, really important! You don't play in to the outrage and you don't swing back and its its beak as that's what they need you to do and it is
the only way that we make no progress. I have a book out called addicted outrage and I really I've not worked harder. This is the probably the best book that I've written sense of common sense probably the most important book that I have written sense, common sense and I I want you to read this, and I want you to share this with your friends, because it is, strategy, but, more importantly, it is The understanding that you're not being given anywhere else of what's really going on what is the game where playing, and unless you understand that You're playing the wrong game and you will lose its. It was interesting reading it after going through the last few years with you and watching your approach to how you tried to handle these issues, and sometimes in an analogy, I there's a big
that likes the push back. Does she made particularly that that likes? You know we talk about when liberals eat their own and mocking them in, and all that. I think it is Kay at some level- yes, but with the outrage, create something different, and you really view outline this throughout the book. One of the first have at least to me that I've ever seen you outline that thoroughly work goes through and shows the reason for handling these issues this way and that the This is so much surface stuff that goes on now. Is that the way the people cover this like they don't even go to the point of looking at the tweet from the guy in the cabinet hearing from a few days ago there, even though, that deep and the people behind them
movement that are changing the society that are making all of us sort of few like what the hell is going on. Those people have thought it all up. They have a plan, they have an approach. They ve outlined in deep philosophical writings that you're never gonna get from cable news, you're, never gonna get from twitter. If you get that in this book, you go through a lot of that stuff outline come with a basis, is of of what they are trying to do, and it is so easy to understand once you real that it all clicks into it into line, and you understand why you have to approach these issues in a different way. Would you agree that I've been talking about this for at least a year for the two years three years ago I didn't know what my gut was just telling me don't play end of this year. But the last two years, and especially last eighteen months, I've really started to put things together and I started doing research on this book? When I had a theory about twelve months ago and I've Lou,
earn so much and correct me if I'm wrong everybody who's on the staff. I think concluding you that I've been talking about this for a while. It wasn't until they finish this book that they went. Oh my gosh, I get it and it made changes. Everything yeah changes everything because it you can kind of see how important it is to go this way, rather than it sort of easy path. I mean you know well the easy path it the they want you to take these because it please into their hands and that's what you can see us through in the book right and so for a long time for a long time started to reach out to people, and I was reaching out to the wrong people was grasping at straws, but I want It is just to listen to a conversation that I had last night on television. If you don't think that this approach is working, you are wrong. You're, just not see
eating it on mainstream media, but it is happening and it's happening more and more. All you have to do is look for it. Last night it was doing thing on. Fourth wave wet feminism by the way watch the tv show every at five o clock, you will see things and learn things that you are not seeing or learning anywhere else. This is honestly, This is like when we first started going down progressive ism and the tides foundation in everything else. There's no conspiracies in this. It's all open sources. You can find it all and it is phenomenal. So why happening is by changing our approach and by understanding the language and not demon. I M not saying oh you're, all from Hell, you're all the devil, you're getting to your getting the opportunity to see the people who are now starting to say on the left holy cow. My side
Is completely wrong there's a woman who was a who is a filmmaker in San Francisco. She can bitter herself, a fourth wave feminist. A radical feminist and she's in her twenties. I want you to listen to just part of the interview from last night's television show people who were radical feminists, we're fans of yours and you ve, made balanced movies. Are you ve tried to whose exposing both sides you made a film it? Twenty sixteen called the red pill. What it was. Ok so end. Twenty thirteen. I was looking for minutes documentary topic and I was considering making a film on reap culture which was fear mongering kindness myth around twenty twelve. With the start of forthwith feminism
the many what I've now realize her miss like the wage gap in agriculture was one abandoned. So I would be really you know levied on. I did and I was considering making fallen Rachel and so I started digging into what feminist were saying, was the cause of rape culture and they were pointing towards many rights activists as preventing women's equality, and I was fascinated by the Spencer: movement. I never heard of it before. There's never been a film about it, never documentary about it, and so I started think I am going to be the first coming her to ever. Go in the belly of the beast and interview the enemy s activists. So, if I give up, I don't know much about the men's activists, both amidst movement It is, as I understand it more about I have rights is a dad. When I get a divorce Are you I automatically lose my children to you know my axe is: is that what you are looking s yes
men's lived in during. Secondly, feminism really was more mostly focused on fathers rights, but it has expanded. I, with the start, online forums and and blogs and a social media with many of its activists having a more broader tenets of this ideology, rant. Ok, so you put this movie out and this one doesn't get good review this one they bear. They don't like you for. Yeah. Why, in all my previous work was about women's rights and gender politics and some could pass but he and I had always been very supported by the feminist community. I did the screening towards that were hosted by a plans parent while I mean even some interesting dot com plugged, my first documentary about sex education. So I was, I was very successful and while lights in the feminist community,
and then I released the red pill and now my reputation then smeared. I've had my name, until it alongside white supremacist, as PLC now says that I'm a feminist turns rights activists that was funded by male supremacists, which no None of that is truly stop added. It achieves she she's remarkable. In fact, we start the interview last night with ten years ago you were killed herself before going on the Glen Back programme. She's, like oh yeah age. I hated you. She said. However, I didn't listen to you. She said this. Happened to me and I've been starting to listen and watch you and see what you're saying and I understand what you're saying Now- and I agree not a doubt we. Three on everything. But we absolutely agree on what is happening now here's somebody inside the movement- and this is happening
over and over and over again, and you will then what's happening is common sense is waking up. There is enough people on both sides of the isle that do not want to live their life this way, and a see what's happening in their like weight that doesn't make any sense. You're, not being fair. Americans are fair. You're not being fair and the outrage is locking us in two into being enemies, and that is the goal of this movement. And so, if you I want to be a part of the solution. I have always believed that this audience
is going to be the solution. I will tell you. I Ike doubted that in the past few years that there was gonna be any solution that there was any way out. I think I've told you before I dont know I do now, because I ve taken a couple of years and I have really done my homework. There is a solution, but No one is presenting you with all of the facts on why it must be done. This way, and once you understand what you're really facing the game that is actually being played, ITALY will make total sense to you you'll, oh my gosh. I get it don't tell me that it's not working,
wait until you see her tonight. She's gonna be on again tonight. The conversation we're gonna have tonight. This was a radical feminist she's. Now I invited her up to come in and spent an hour or so with me here in the studio, so we could just talk and and and just let her just tell her story she was I would love to. We honoured she hated. My guts, I haven't changed my point of view. I've changed my approach and allowed people to hear me say I wish I had that all over to do again. Which allows them to say in all of the science behind that statement is in the book. Why that statement, man I wish I had that do all over again. Why. That statement is important. The science of that statement is in the book.
And it allows people to go. Ok all right. Will you know I've made some mistakes, and once that happens, it's done. It's done, Pick up the book it's available in bookstores in everywhere, books are sold here in the next couple of weeks, and you know what this is. Bob Woodward book is just going to run crazy for the next. Probably until Christmas it'll probably be number one, I would love to beat Bob Woodward. I don't think that's impossible, but I would love to beat Bob Woodward, because the media will I mean, what what are they going to do? What are you going to do?
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like three quarters sold out and we just announced at twice yesterday. So grab your tickets. Now it's Glenn Back dot, com, slashed tour. This is the best of the Glen Back Programme and don't forget rain us on Itunes, like listening to this podcast. If you're not a subscriber become one now on Itunes, but while you're there do us a favour and rate the Shell Linda, our sore. The left is equivalent of. I would say Milo YAP monopolised, but I might be Richard Spencer. What do you think's do? I think she's more like Richard Spencer,. Linda starts, or pulls outrageous logic defying stunts her side roars with cancer in packs themselves on their back. That's why she, like my low but her actual policy.
These are much more in line with somebody like Richard Spencer, make no mistake, Linda sorcerer, is as bad as spokespeople she's, Much worse, I think than Milo her virulent Anti Semitism, her anti white racism, her flagrant written regard for Amerika the western ideas, the western laws. Support of Sharia law. Her connection, to a her connection to Louis bear a calm, her her, open, Massage Annie. I mean I could go on, but the show isn't, this long, she's, four g hard against President Donald Trump she's called for the assassination of our president and yet I'm another, the Democratic Party, not Democrats, the Democratic Party embrace her. I don't know of a single Democrat, that way
Embrace, Linda SAR Sore? I do the power and the money, people that do. But the media is not telling the Democrats the truth about who she is well yesterday she got herself arrested. She was one of the dozens of obnoxious protesters that showed their class this outrage, bread, Cavanaugh, confirmation, hearings. She leaped up she began screaming shortly after the hearing started, bread, cabinets, daughters, aged ten and through teen- were rushed out of the room for their safety. Now is this is this, who we are sorry, took the arrest is a badge of honor. She said I will be able to tell my daughters and my future grandchildren that I stood up than I does not and will not be silent when our bodies and our rights are on the line now, I've I find this a little ironic and hard to swallow coming from a war
whose wearing a hid job who believes in Sharia LAW who has said that critics of Women critics of Islam that she could. Wishes? She could take their vaginas away. She has signalled her virtue by having stood up. And the bodies and rights of women are on the line. I am it's alley was her target I on her Sally had genital mutilation happened to her and when she spoke out about it. Sorry, Sir said I wish I could just take her vagina away. The item there is a place where you know, bodies of women are at stake. I have side with Canada Owen on this one Candice Owens said quote: you have to be a special kind of idiot to get, rested for women's rights alongside Linda,
our sore and is I who support Sharia LAW and the forced mutilation of women's genitals overseas. Indeed, she said, if stew. Kennedy was the crime. They would Hell Jus without bail. End quote. Canvasses right by the way tonight. Five Glenn Back TV on the blaze, I'm Going into Lindisfarne sore and her part in fourth wave fermented feminism something you will not see any place else. The A collides new form of feminism, but blends social justice, Marxism and Post Modernism it This is the fight were engaged in right now and unless you understand it, you will lose tonight a way out five o clock only on the blaze tv, it's Wednesday sitting
Our fifth here listening to the Glen Back Programme, alright, Barbara. New book out Glenn, I know- is of ever been a worse book launch bookie date, the kind of legal this stuff out all this salacious insider trump detail, I think, is a good one. He thinks so against the Cavanaugh hearings dissimilar should all yesterday, I we even it's like CNN warrant, leading with it, which, as you know I mean this is this is like catnip for MSNBC writer, and even there wasn't getting the attention. I thought it would get now the books not out yet but near times sort of savage did in their review. Did they yeah I'm in a within a they said. You know what they said. Of course you could tell the writer absolutely despises. Try but like they were disappointed in it didn't really get anywhere knew. You know the
there is not a lot of color in it. It was just a list of sources and you can tell who the sources were, because all the people learn that lorries nearly look good in the book. That's what Bob Woodward does he business people and then they say things and he promises that you'll. Look good in the buggy, just gimme the dirt. Ok, let's take all of these. Do you know he's an eighty? It he's on hand, tease retarded all those things like all of out. Ok is its trump is denying that he called Jeff sessions retarded by the way, right, so that is a weed bet should be on the right k, but whose there some other quotes about Donald Trump, supposedly from his staff that are just as unkind. Ok, yes, and lets take. All of that out was just take all of it out, and I looked at what the book said yesterday and
Not only is there nothing new here, I believe I have heard multiple many trumped supporters even die hard, trumped supporters who We who have kind of championed, what's happening in this book, for instance, how many trump supporters do you know that say I really like him, but I wish he would put twitter down right now. Common, very common expression. I wish they would just take his twitter away from him. So The experts in this book is there was a committee tried to come. To him, a White House group of advisers came to an end what we ve. We we're just Format Committee an end and then, and we think that we should vat all of your fear, twitter posts and Trump
do it. Now this is made to look like all. That's crazy. You know even exporters. Even in supporters, are like. I know some of this stuff he set. His are good. Some of this stuff is crazy I wish you would just stop it because it's hard and what you expect anything else to happen in a situation like that, the staff as saying hey, please restrain yourself from these activities that my throws off course and then its decision, as the president announced states to decide whether he wants to do them, are not totally his call. He made the call and he's continue to tweet. Ok, so now here's the other thing and tell me if you actually have a problem with this. There's a there's. The book opens with a with a story of Jericho. Now Gary Cone was the guy. He was the chief economic advice is, we ve started going down. The trail of Fur wars? You know he had nothing to do with it. So he's gone,
On blah blah blah, however, this is it opens up with this. This letter, critical trade agreement with South Korea And if the letter would have taken us out of this agreement, was sitting on trumps Desk Cohen, sees it and he's like. I gotta give this away from him. And he takes it and he says, according to the book I stole it His desk, I wouldn't let him see it- he's never gonna see that document gotta protect the country. Ok, there's only two ways to look at this one, deep state which range. The left has been saying: there is no such thing as deep state right everything, so you're you would have one way to look at this is evidence that deep state exists.
You are taking things away from the duly elected president. You are taking things off of his desk. Guy we voted for or didn't vote for, but the people put in office somebody who's, not elected, is taking it off of his desk and he's not gonna even see that one intentions to hide it from him. So he doesn't make the decisions he wants to make. Ok, so you could classify that is deep state right, the present it's in. He can't really do anything because people tie his hands. Are I so? The left has two: it has to decide. Does that exist or does it not exist, and is it a good thing or is it a bad. Now. I generally think in fact I always think that that's a bad thing. However, I
I haven't been necessarily I'll. Let me go and take this up. I have, I have to to several people who voted for Drug Donald Trump, many people, you have said, and let me give you the best spin on it look he's. He doesn't know all of the robes, but that's why he's gonna have the best people around and the best people around him they're gonna, stop him from doing anything. That's truly reckless! Ok, when it comes to, or part of this is about war that as advisers around him are like no, Mr President, none of them now now! don't you want to go into Syria running to the book and, and necessity incessantly Assad We met us, you know got off the phone, then reportedly answer at we're not doing any of that, and they drew up a much more. We know conventional way of going about things, which is what they want to do.
I mean that's what you have a different set of around two cents for re. Like sounds like that's what it, how it should work as long as they're keeping him in the loop. That's how it should work, and I don't have a problem with it in this particular case. I don't like the fact that anybody would keep information from him, but you need to have you need to be to talk to him and say this is why this decision is wrong, hears why it's right and then he gets to make the decision her. That part of the process according to the book has stopped happening. All that I'm an bay in the people in the book claim the reason for it is. He won't listen to reason like that. So you can't you can't print him things like that? He just going to dismiss you and do what he wants anyway. So you have to do with this. Why that's their argument? Well, ok, but that's deep state or
or is it what I have heard many trump supporters say a good thing. He's got good, he doesn't know about all those things and it's a good thing that they just that there that their smart people around him they're not gonna, get us into trouble oh, is that a good thing or a bad thing, usually bad thing, but we're not playing with the usual stuff anymore. Kay Porter said a third of my job was trying to react to some of the really dangerous ideas that he had and try to give him reasons to believe that maybe they weren't such good ideas Does anybody have a problem with that? Woodward claims? That's a coup de la well now No! It's another amazing point, though. How long have we heard that these things are not real and now liberals are saying the outward saying: it's a coup right! That's I've had some remarkable part of this,
are you going attention and nobody is. Nobody is pointing out that wait. A minute part of this is what trumps supporters wanted. They wanted a guy to go in and break. All the China, but they also wanted really good people around. They could say, don't break that China right, ok, that's what you have from supporters. Bob one word few take all of the he said she said stuff that you never gonna know if that's true or not taken, all that stuff out. If you look at what he says is going on this issue. Watch you knew going in and your your back was I'm gonna have really good people around him. That's what he's gonna to put good people around that's what's happening. Let me give you a couple of other things would write that down
The trumpet tourney saw the full nightmare of a potential Miller Interview and felt Trump acted like a grieved shakespearian king, that's, he said she said, I don't know that's true prompt seem surprised at his reaction. You think I was struggling now. What is it Here is that you did a mock question and answer, and doubt played Mueller and sad. Ok, let's see, let's was play this out. Is there any doubt in anyone's mind? Cuz I want to. Let me read what he says. The goal of this was to argue that Trump couldn't possibly testify because he was just incapable of telling the truth. He just wouldn't make things up. That's his nature.
The passage is an unprecedented glimpse behind the scene of Miller secret operation. For the first time others conversation with Trump lawyers are captured. I need the president's testimony. I want to see if there was corrupt intent. Trumps, Ed. I think the President, the United States, cannot be seen taking the fifth, his attorney so there's no way you can go through these don't testify it's either that or an orange jumpsuit. Ok I dont know. If any of that language happen, I dont know if you ve ever told you know promptly I go to prison and you'll be in an orange jumpsuit. Doesn't matter, does any one doubt the president of the United States, whether he knows it or not, and I think I could make a very strong case. He really doesn't even know what's true and what's not because of the way his mouth and his worked for so long he's a salesman he's! That's who he is he's gonna.
Not a builder he's. Not anything else he's the guy who walks into the room. You're gonna love this year and you have to have three of these innocent. When I'm done with you, you're gonna be working for me, Sellen, these good you're gonna believe in him. So much that's the greatest. So the best it's it's the biggest its golden its wonder. Bullets, gonna change the world. He salesman. This is the best of good one big programme. I want I introduce you to somebody who, let me just let me just a little bit of the resume she has written for numerous magazines, including the new Yorker, the New York Times magazine the Atlantic Vogue. She is a recipient of the twenty fifteen Guggenheim fellowship the twenty, sixteen national endowment for the arts fellowship and is all.
On the edge young faculty in the Emma Faye writing program at Columbia, University, school of the arts. If you read that you would be certain She has nothing to say to you, but you Eight go well, and I bet that she, a few years ago, might have been certain that there was no way that she would ever say anything, civil, the Glen back Megan Adam is on the programme with us now, hello, Megan, how are you hi Glenn. It's got to be I love that introduction. I'm I'm chuckling device right. Do I need to be here you're happy to be here. Would you have been happy to be here five six eight years ago, I think so years ago. What were you doing back then exactly I had to say Glenn. I always found you very intriguing. I found you.
Exasperating in a way that now that I looked back on it, I think there must have been something in there that there were, making you were particularly push people the button, so So I do now, ok well being to me, are now well good. Ok, so I want tell your story because I think there's something. Let me let me start just so you know we're kind of on the same page, I just wrote a new books come out a couple of weeks. This is that this is the dedication to all those who are willing to step out in front of the crowd to question reason and have dangerous conversations. Me with whom I may strongly disagree at times, but will I will always consider resounded of reason and contemporary heroes. Ben Shapiro, Dave, Reuben, Jordan, Peter in bread, wine, Steen Stein, SAM Harris, Jonathan sacks pendule at and Joe Rogan yeah These are the kinds of people that changed your point of view. In my point to be well you're asking me that question? Yes, so
story? Let's see I mean I I guess I'm not that I have changed exactly. I was, I have always been a writer who is interested in contradictions and interested in. You know, human tendency towards hypocrisy. I've always had the luxury as a writer of of being able to kind of sort through those things the thoughtful way and having the time in the space and a readership that what kind of Let me invite my readers to think alongside me, as I sorted things out, shall I think what yes died so may allow me, let me make sure there by stating I should state this much more carefully. People think that I have change. My point of view I haven't I have They have lost certainty on the things I shouldn't be certain about, and that is other p bull and and- and you know good,
evil that everybody is in one of two camps, cetera Cetera, that kind of thinking to where its exhausting to not be able to have a common. Station and no nuance in people right said the How much is the thing that I was interested in so what I noticed if starting a few years ago- and I think it's really started heating up and probably two thousand and fifteen- As you say, there was no room for discussion across the since I was a newspaper opinion calmness for more than a decade. I started in two thousand five and the difference between when I started and what the climate has been like in the last few years is striking. And I'm not sure I changed as much as as I saw some, not all, but some many of my peers and colleagues right, are we taking on an approach that pretty narrow and yeah. I started watching some of these folks
Youtube to that you name, then it was very it I got I got drawn in and I didn't Everyone equally and I didn't agree with everybody, but it was quite compelling. So what are you seeing the first one to take us back as you had a really I mean you ve had a dramatic few years in your marriage and also with kind of looking at you know that rolled in end and some of the people that were around you're the people that were the loudest voices on the left. Can you take me through some of that well you're talking about a peace that just went out that I did I published very recently, it s called nuance, a love story and in that peace. I talk God how, over the last three years, or so I started noticing both as a journalist and just as the private person that you know it intelligent
mine were does not really willing to have conversations where they. Entertained that you know people on the conservative side might have a point or that there might be some contradictions in their own views and it just became an echo chain. And it became really really frustrating, and am I really felt ultimately a sense of low it s about it in and the reason the night I kind of did this particular piece. The way I did was that I wanted to get at the more sorted this role human side of this, because certainly a lot of people have talked in written alot about tribalism, men, polarisation and bad. That sort of approach is important, but it's nothing terribly knew. So I wanted to go this at the more emotional components of this phenomenon and what are the emotional components? I just think that You know whether you're on the left or the right you're used to agree,
with your friends or at least being able to talk with your friends. You know: go a party in and every one kind of that it is on this same page and- and I just felt like there suddenly, you know with with the two thousand sixteen election there was such a feeling of crisis within the left. I felt like the feeling was well. This is such a crisis that we have no room for new ones. We don't have the luxury of a complicated discussion. Everybody needs to get on board right now and and pig down Trump and and talk in the most simplistic hampers the terms and on one level understand where they're coming from, but on the other hand, it's not it's just not very interesting. That was my problem. It was this. It's boring, I mean don't get me wrong. I I dont like anything about tromp. I think we
are in a crisis, but that doesn't mean that we have to shut down all thoughtful conversation or refuse to ask complicated, difficult questions. For instance, you you talk about in this article. You talk about. You know that friends and end. This has happened. This happens on the right to your friends. Get a few drinks in them and then they'll hard to say: ok, look I'm with you on this right, but they'll ever ever say that out loud, public they'll never take that stand. They'll call over and they'll be like I've had this without booze people have come up to me, go Look. I really appreciate what you're doing I mean. Don't tell anybody, I'm with you, but I'm with you, right well and one of the things that drives. That is social media right, because there is a dopamine hit you get from
virtue signalling on twitter or whatever it is and sang the thing. That's gonna get you the most amount of praise in the least amount of time, and people just keep doing it and keep doing it, and I've had plan at times where I've had people say. Well, you know I can it you, I I I don't really think that, but now I just effort for from my own personal brand or for my readership or who, whatever it is. I meant to say this, this very reductive thing How do you think about what? What do you think about Benjamin Franklin talked about this at about one thousand, seven hundred and seventy two he said, I just can't go to parties anymore, you're, the guy was above event and in just a growth I mean I would love to hang out with Benjamin Franklin and he was like, and go to parties anymore. I can't because no but he is serious. We are facing serious issues and nobody is nobody's really too. King about any of that stuff
do kind of feel that way and I think that people get really threatened, I mean so. It might be helpful just to talk in specific terms for a moment, so, like one of the things that I talk about in the peace is the way this is this group very loosely defined kind of constellation of thinkers has now is of identified themselves as the intellectual dark, okay, so so one of the things I talk about in the pieces in o the my interest in that group, but also my wariness, with the fact that this this you know this try abbess suppose we devoted itself to anti tribalism and and that's that you ve got to work out. It's gonna like libertarians, who tell you you're, not libertarian enough. It's like a right that we meet the people they wouldn't want to belong to. A group would have them at a member, but now here they are in the groups, it up it. So you don't
Let me one of the things that comes up a lot is this issue of the gender wage gap. So this is a subject that is really complicated. And it gets a lot of people fired up emotionally and there's a lot of baggage around it, and you know what the problem is. There is a gender wage gap. I don't think Anybody who is looked, you know into it at all, could deny it we bear there is it. You know in the aggregate, men earnings more than women now is that because of a patriarchal conspiracy or institutionalized sexism, maybe a tiny bit by overall. There are very concrete and quantifiable reason for this, and if you want to look at it, you know issues around childcare and issues around. You know
flexible. You know the way the economy works and flexible hours and why women choose to go into professions. They do in that's a much more complicated question around economics and those are the kinds of questions that need to be asked, but unfortunately we can't even get to the point of asking these questions because people say well. How can you even you, no question that the gender wage gap you know you're a sexist, I don't even want to have this conference, it's it's threatening that have this conversation and you shut it right downright there, and we can't even Ben begin to solve these problems, and that was really frustrating Megan I'd love to maybe after the first Year fly you in and just spend up an hour so with you, commercial, free interest, uninterrupted to have a real conversation with you got that right You know I am I'm new to the post, modern Martino concept,
last few years and so had to be here. Yeah. So is yours as you're watching this and you don't understand what postmodernism is you don't understand the world at all one you do you really see how destructive that is in your seeing it now and the college's. What do we have we have these conversations when it's a micro, aggression to say, you're wrong, well, the postmodern is post. Modernism does have its uses. I mean it as a way of talking about art as a way of talking about literature. I mean that's, really, I think where it's it's best applied, I mean so one of the things this is this there's a lot of moving pieces here. So one of the things that's happened is that Humanities Department, Sun, liberal arts campus, has over the last twenty thirty years,
evolved, so that a lot of the the discourse is around this concept of intersection, reality and and power and privilege. So the students gets get. That area that the world needs to be looked at in terms of of who has historically had power and how to make that how to get rid of it, how to make everybody equal. So, instead of equality of opportunity, we need equality of outcome and so That really then starts this this mentality. Where you know, anybody who has more than somebody else is framed as potentially a bad person and- and this has now become in many ways, the sort of default.
Mentality of a lot of the media. I mean. One thing I really emphasise gland is that this is not the majority of college students. It's not the majority of people. This is actually a very small percentage of students that even get into this step behind them. The most college students are like studying and rearing and doing stop having nothing to do with this problem is that the people who do get into this tend to go into the media. They go into education, they go into the media, they go into cultural institutions and that's why we now have a situation where the quote mainstream media that the younger generation, a lot of people come in with this kind of sensibility and What has the date? They come out with a sort of sensibility, and that is what is kind of made this discourse the default settings.
Megan, I'm sorry we're at a time I would love to have you join me poor? I just have a longer conversation in and I'd I'd like to talk to you about. Postmodernism men and how its useful in literature her. Maybe you can open my mind on that one day, my homework yeah, ok, great talkin to you. Thank you so much for having an open minded and recognising nuance. Thank you, gutless lays radio network on demand,
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