Okay podcasters today is a great show. You don't want to mess. We have SIRI, I mean, Actual the woman whose voice unbeknownst to her was SIRI yeah, it's a fascinating story. It especially when she's talking to us a couple things she says: you're like oh, my gosh that SIRI yeah yeah. It's really cool and really she's, really fun. Yeah, really cool interview have another update on the women's March. What happens this weekend? There's a lot. It's a women's March with dash of Anti Semitism choose the death. Should not really it's more like a anti semitic March with a dash of women. Is it's a different recipe when you have the, when you have the person who created the movements? Eh?

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like the women's movement anyway, we've learned about the Anti Semitism that it is very common among these women. Teresa shook, who founded the women's March, has has repeatedly asked these people to step down the co chairs, quoting have steered the movement away from its true course. I have waited hoping that they would right the ship, She wrote, but they have not in opposition to our unity principles. They have allowed Anti Semitism Anti L, G B, L g B, T Q. I a sentiment plus two should include the play: okay and hateful racist rhetoric to become part of the platform by the refusal to separate themselves from groups that a spouse, these racist and hateful beliefs.

This is this is the creator of the movement talking about the leadership of the movement. Tamika Mallory gave us the latest example. She continues to stand by Louis Farrakhan Listen to her response and Tamika. You came under some fire for your relationship with that Louis Farrakhan and the nation of Islam. Now he's. For being Anti semitic for being homophobic, but you do attend his events and you posted, I believe, a photo together, calling him the goat, which means the greatest of all time, and you are running an organization that says, if fight biggest bigotry. Do you understand why your association with him is quite problematic? No, I think it's important to put the my attendance my presence at Cedars Day, which is the highest holy day for the nation of Islam:

improper contact, okay, you know as a leader as a black leader in a country that is still dealing with some very serious on resolved issues as it relates to the black experience in this country. Am I going to a lot of difficult spaces? Here's where the real problem is it's at the end of her nonsensical answer. Listen, let me push back a little bit. Why call him the greatest of all time? I didn't call in the greatest of all time because of his rhetoric. I called him the greatest of all time, because what he's done in black community, okay, here's a little taste of what he's done in the black community white folks going down and Satan is going down an Khan by God's grace, oh, that's! Sweet of you.

And I'm here to say your time is up. So I mean you know, that's that's quite an accomplishment there. We are going to be looking into the Women's March on Thursdays, television broadcast, you don't want to miss that you want the truth about. All the people who are running the women's March movement have at it. The the mainstream media won't give you all of this they're not going to say anything. They will talk about. If your a deplorable, how Hitler right you are even Oh you, don't like Hitler. You, like the Jews. You support his real whatever it is. They'll still tell you that a white, supremacist and yada yada yada, but Farrakhan can say these things and they don't mind we do and we have the expose coming.

Up on Thursdays television program only on the blaze, tv speaking of television. I I you know, look now. Let me just say this Jillette you're dead to me. You're dead to me an I started watching this with an open mind and I thought ok, you know what I I agree with these things. I don't want men to be pigs. I hate I, I watched mad men. Did you watch mad men now? Ok, so I watch mad men and it's like. I can't believe the world was like that. It's not like that and if you are like that, you're a throwback, an you just don't have any place in the world, wasn't like that. People were not that good. Looking back, then, ok I'll, give you I'll give you that alright, so listen to this Gillette ad bullying,

movement against domestic masculinity? Is this the best a man can get that shows their commercial mom can't hide. It's been going on far too long. You can't laugh it off making the same old excuses. Stop for second stop for a second, it's knowing these images of you know comedy shows it is first of all it's one of them is from, like the nineteen fifties from the nineteen fifties you know, would we still have that happening with the women ogling, the the construction guy drinking at

Diet, coke, but you know it shows it shows stuff that we all know. We all look at now ago, Icq, okay, it's showing a lot of Gillette ads from the past. You know good for them now go ahead boys will be boys? Boys boys will be boys but and there's no going back. Stop so far. I'm like okay! All right I mean please don't preach to me Gillette, but yeah. Okay, I get it there's nothing! You would disagree with in this. It's just and that's what pandering is right like you right. Pandering is something you say that no one can disagree with, because you're trying to kiss the bought of your of your audience right. Here's here's

where it goes off the rails for me go ahead because we we believe in the best in men's a whole other stop stop. That is something my father taught me right. So I am I am. I am fifty four. That is something my father taught me. So why is this a new idea Gillette? That man have to be men, not boys. The problem with men is not men. It's boys, it's boys, it's boys. Never grow into men know what a man is. I taught what a man is supposed to do and then I was taught no, don't do any of those things, no, no! No! I was taught by feminists. No, no, no, don't you hold that door open. Don't you don't you do that? Don't you stand when a woman comes to the

able? No, no, no they're, just like men. Well, a man stands at a table. If a woman would like to stand in the table, when I arrive, I don't mind, I think it's unnecessary, but kind. Thank you, wow! That's wow! Thank you for honoring me that way I just I was just talking to my son this this weekend, a man to shake another man's hand if you're kind of sprawled out in the couch and somebody come by the like, hey dude, just want to say hi they reach to shake your head used, stand up and shake that man's hand. That's what a man does its respect. No I've grown up with that. I think most american men have grown up with that. But let Gillette tell us what it's really like

to say the right thing to act, the right way cool already are in Waze. And small, but some is not enough, because the boys watching today will be the men of tomorrow by the way. I will always use Bic. I will never buy another Gillette product. How dear you? How dare you let sure me about bullying about bullying? It shows two boys fighting

well. Boys will be boys calling each other names now axis the way they are no. Now because we at this stupid razor company. We want you to know that which we're pulling for the ladies we're pull and for the victims. What the hell do you think the american ethic is. Why do you think are? Our military is different than the rest, because we don't go in and rape people we go and we set them free and we try to set things right and we try to show their respect for people we go and rescue the Jews. We go and rescue the women you go in rescue people, because that's what men do boys do? Not men do shut your

hi a whole Joe Latt, say a racer commercial. Just in case you're wondering I know. Isn't that the point that's part of what that's an argument: Razer Commercial, you're selling, US crap, you lousy pieces of crap you're, so calling us something you got you said around in a boardroom like well, what can we do to really reach people? I know we can do shot stop manipulating us, okay and by the way, for the people who, like this Gillette commercial, all the women who are cheering. Aren't you the ones that are telling us about the evil corporations You're kind of missing it on this one: aren't you the best of the Glenn Beck program? Susan Bennett is her name, Susan, Bennett,

original voice of SIRI. Welcome to the program. How are you hello, Glenn? is so. First of all, I want to get into your history, but just it just answer this, you didn't even No, you were going to be SIRI. Did you correct? I had no idea and when you actually got call from a friend who said I just got this new apple Iphone. It sounds just like you, yes, open email and a fellow voice actors. So we recognized my voice and he said yeah. This sounds just like you. So I went on the apple side and listened, and I said well, that's because it is made Isn't that weird you get into this this this whole story with you, but let's, let's start at the beginning, you've been a voice actor for a on time, which is quite honestly, my dream job you don't have to think you have to all you have to do is just read the words and just think about

how they sound the best. That's fantastic! You don't actually have to come up with like stuff role in and and do it I'm sure, that's not the actual that's right. That's the way I want to believe. Ok, Susan, that's the way it is right. Just say yes, yes, you can believe that, if you'd like, why do you sound like SIRI talking down to me when you say that yes SIRI? Does that? Ok? So the original theory did that. So you were, you were actually working in studios and the voice actor didn't show up in your like. I can do this right now. Actually, the owner of the studio at the time said Susan, you don't have an accent. I bet you could read this copy, so I read it and said: oh yes, I can do that Anna's and you know it's true freelancer. I was excited to find another ave to pursue to make it a living at you, because you were a backup singer for Roy Orbison, correct. I mean like that's like It's amazing SIRI was like a backup singer when and I got to sing a duet with him

in concert. I I played the Emmylou Harris part. Yeah it we be all over the world over the Bacharach yeah, like you musical chops. Well, that was that was really. It was truly a high point in my life. Do you sing anymore? Yes, yeah. I sing all the time it husband and I had a band together for close to twenty five years. I was too when I started yeah. We still play together and right now. The only consistent thing we did we do actually is. We are in a band boomers, gone wild and we play nothing but 60s and 70's rock and soul, music and everybody in the band plays by ear. So we take requests and we we even play song. Don't really know. So it's a lot of fun to leave. We should- and we I mean we kind of calls for bands from time to time we do fundraisers and stuff, which is the.

Are you still for higher absolutely? Are you Are you any good, we're always for hire? Are you guys good? Well, I'm not gonna say we're not good. Alright are alright. So alright, so you started doing commercials, and can you give us any things that you've said that we might have heard pre SIRI he did stuff, I'm not gonna, listen if it gets just. You know an and a past. When would you know before she allowed all voice actors to just work from home and and it's basically up to the engineers to put the commercial to back in the day when we would all get in the studio together it was. It was a lot. More fun and actually you're talking about the fact that so you just have to show up and read the copy. Well sometimes that wasn't the case when we all got in the studio together, because sometimes

We would, you know, improvise things and they would actually say. Oh, that's that's better than the script, let's use so yeah. So so so you did. You know you did the loudspeaker announcements over for Delta Airlines for their gates. You did Macy's Mcdonald's, good, Papa John IBM, Coca COLA, you also you were the voice of a lot of jeep. This is where you're like at the next go ahead and say it. Next save spot in one slash of a mile, make a left turn. It's amazing that is so. Wild people do ever like get into a car with you and just be like that's weird, that's just weird! Well, some people. You know it's amazing that some people really really don't hear as acutely, as you might think, as well

they they actually altered the original series voice with the Iphone 5S s- and I was one of the few people that really thought that it was different. Most people didn't recognize the change at all and turns out that if they did not get another actor at that point, they actually just manipulated my voice. You know with computers and this is related, audio, logically to sound just a little bit different and finally, but the only uh really acknowledgement from apple that I've had is. If you ask SIRI today, who I am she will say, Susan Bennett is an american voice actor and the original voice of SIRI up to OS eleven, which it was last year and now suddenly uh yeah Series of millennial. Now, ok, so your voice is not being used at all for SIRI. Now I'm done I've had my Ipad, my stint as SIRI it's over so now

this is the this. Is the really interesting part to me, because if you did like when you, when you did G p S or you did Lucent technologies- and you know it for the operator press go ahead, say one of those things yes for for Susan Bennett, please press one. All other calls just hang up and when you did things for the gps like at the next next light, turn you actually to say those things well no any anything that was recorded for the Nuans company, which is the biggest Ibr company in the world and from which apple got all the SIRI voice and people go wait a minute all the SIRI Voices is well. You have to remember that I do not speak every language in the in the world and other voices doing different language languages for different countries, and so we didn't

We really had no idea. The recordings were done. My recordings were done in two thousand and five I've spoken to some other people that started even earlier than that we recorded all of these sentences and phrases that were that were created just to get all the sound combinations in the language. For instance, can you remember any of those of course Cole voiced in the top hot today for Point Wax Plaza at classy way way same again, how hoisted the top high today, se fosse. I ask because I asked on c you can hear from the sound they're just trying to get the sounds, and we read just thousands and thousands of those phrases and it was actually very tedious and and uh. You know. I think I actually had a little brain damage during that time, but you have no idea who was actually on the other end buying this and no, we were

told that we were just doing generic phone messaging thought. And we're doing recordings for phone systems, and you know I guess it's a combination of naivete and uh, just the the the desire to do a lot of work that we found ourselves in this position of of having our voices used, uh in a lot of different places, uh. Basically thought our permission, uh, it's a complicated thing, but the way I look at it is we sort of we sort of were in the middle of that transition period between doing business as usual and doing business with

you know the at the speed of technology. We really had no idea exactly what we were doing right. I will have to say with that. You know it's a little troubling at first to realize that and then the it's sort of like anything else in life that you're surprised by something you don't expect, and you had to figure out a way to to deal with it adapted just and spin it to the, other than for yourself, which is what I've done, and it's turned out to be really an incredible thing. It's it's really good. A very fabulous thing for me is that at this particular time in my life, so I I want I want to talk to. We could take a one minute break. This is and then I come back, and I want to talk to you about because you didn't record it to eat the you. You basically handed one thing that is uniquely you, your voice and it's saying things that you never said and and and how that plays in a person's head

and also in there be a law. Should there be something that says: hey a voice is unique. I mean I. I think this is the future actors: old actors. Anybody, if you don't own the right to yourself, you can now manipulated in and you could be a movie star, but it's not you so Susan. I don't want to talk specifically about apple. I want to I want to talk about this. In theory, you had your voice, you, you sign the contracts in the personal everything about, but you had never thought of this technology and how it could be used, and your voice was in some ways taken from you. It did that play games with you. Yes yeah it was a. It is kind of a troubling thing, but I think even

telling them. That is because of just the ability with technology. Now they can basically basically make you sad sound like you're, saying anything they can change. You know the tone, ten, for pacing up your voice and even recently I put together a I do, a lot of Us Erie appearances in speaker events and I wanted to put together a speaker demo and I was working with a video editor an all of a sudden he's well you're saying this in, but we can fix that. I'm going what oh? No so you mean we can't so we can know. Trust everything we hear or see. This is not good, so you know. Basically, you know I try not to take it personally, because it's it's sort of just the way our culture seems to be going. I don't know

necessarily think it's a good thing. Yeah I don't either I mean, as somebody who I watch technology and I've been concerned about deep fakes that are that are, are going to be a problem, starting, I think, in twenty twenty real problem, and that is the manipulation of video and audio. So where you cannot believe your eyes and ears, they can make. Make me say anything. And you won't know I wouldn't even be able to tell I mean like we, I never. I never said that when did I say that and Deep fakes are getting so good that that just changes our whole world as it yeah it really does. I I I find it quite a I mean even to the point where I've done so many

Use and I appreciate doing a live interview, because many times a interviewers take a direct quote and just sort of make it their own and end up, saying something that I didn't actually say, and you know I I just really tried to do not think too much about it, because it's it is very troubling and in and I feel very bad for really famous people. You know the the George Colonies on the Jennifer Aniston's of the world, because God only knows what, but you know people are saying about them or to art or attributing the you know, things that they have said today and they were not true, so yeah we're gonna, creamery strange place in our culture are that's one of the things deep fakes are doing. They're taking celebrity faces and they're imposing them on. You know on, sex acts in and an x rated videos, and you can't missus.

We tell that's not George Clooney what are the things I think is a problem is that you know that a lot of people believe this stuff, because I think that too often it's given over our own brains and our own individuality to just the general culture into he and media- and you know social- particularly just in general. I I think that that people that, in a way with all these digital devices, that we have you know we just we just tell SIRI or alexa- do this or do that. We don't really have to think about it. I think it especially uh uh affect children. I have a friend who has grandchildren, she says, oh, my god, she said they tell Alexa to do everything she, Susan, these, these girls, don't even know how to turn on a light bulb. You know they tell Alexa to do it and- and I think that

losing a lot by not going through the process of learning. Things are the process of doing thing. Yeah you know even even the dark ages. When I was growing up, you know you would go to the library and you look things up right now. You just ask third there's no, no process of of of learning when you doing these things, so I don't know, I think, that's kind of scary Susan. So what's up for you next, what do you? What do you hope to do next? I just hope to do more of what I'm already doing, which is a appearances and speaker events,

and I, which I really enjoyed- it's not something I ever envisioned. I mean that's something that we created for me. So I am grateful to that very much. It's a it's, a wonderful experience. I've actually had a chance to go to some pretty exotic places like Croatia to do the speaker. Events- and so I would just like to do more of those well, maybe we should find out it. We would have you do so. This is the Glenn Beck program carry stuff. No! No! No! No! You have to pay for. Oh, I know know know I think that's what I said we'll have to talk to you about that. I knew I mean least number of my agents, yeah yeah yeah. No. I said I'm very well aware of that in a free bsd. I believe me. I know Susan, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you

by this is the best of the Glenn Beck program hi. If you're a subscriber to the podcast, can you do this favor and rate us on Itunes? If you're not a subscriber, become one today and listen on your own time, you can subscribe on Itunes thanks. Jeff Allen is calling and hello Jeff. How are you fine? How you guys? You know I I just I'm trying to keep my blood pressure down and this nonsense just doesn't end yeah it doesn't it keeps so. I was talking to very handy. I realized this all began with the 19th amendment. By way, we could repeal that and start

the way we had started with the 19th amendment and you want it. Repealed can expand, it Tammy said: well, it's probably not going to happen. 'cause, there's too many women in Congress, but right is right. Thought right by the way. Should we say, that's a joke, so we should we put it out there No, I don't think he is joking. I don't think he was joking. I heard it right. I heard myself. I don't think he was joking, my gosh, you know I just isn't that what you taught your son Jeff, I said. Boys town when they hit that age when they started dating, and I said that somebody's daughter, somebody's future mother- and I said if you had a sister you want some band handling them in the backseat of the of a car, and was it was it's a it's a common sense discussion right and there's a difference between all woman yelled yeah, the guys don't do that are still boys,

never grew up, they're still boys men to do that who's. To say you know this. The little voice in shape is what I call yeah and they're out there, but I don't think it's so the majority. So is this I don't like you. I don't need to be lectured by commercial, I know is: is is Gillette just trying to sell razor there's more razors to women order. Do this will work for men? Well, most of I know it's not only his players. Every last yeah. I know there's a reason now: is it going after the the transgender this the change over? So could be it uh Jeff Allen is a comedian. He has been out on the road for Cr Tv and the blaze on make comedy great again how's. The tour been going well we're off until February.

First with all into New York New first and second were first and second thought we did just like some sort of sacrificial animals. You guys are the, which is what he would do to your yeah. Exactly what I thought that was odd, go to Miller, to use with the kind of with the two are called make non political for tour. So I I know I didn't understand my job to create the title right, so we could come and do it right right. Ok, ok Did you see that TIM Allen's show? Has has debuted now and you man we recorded every week, even know that it was back on. I just don't watch enough television to get the commercials for all that stuff,

I knew that he was going to, but I didn't know debuted and and it's doing well. Yes, it should it's a very good show and it's funny because it's one of the few sitcoms ends in history where there's a strong male lead back in two thousand and one I did a pilot for castle Rock and one of the reasons they were going to do. The pilot with me because we pitched a strong male lead in a I'm in the head of the studio. He was fifty five years old at the time and he said to me he goes you know it's so unusual and he said it. It used to be like sitcoms used to have strongly please that he remembered years ago. I guess he started with all of the family and that's when things started getting kind of absurd but yeah. I said I could change a diaper. I can do all that other stuff without looking like a bumbling idiot. You know, and obviously it didn't get picked up so

right, but if he does TIM is one of the guys who is the IBM bmb. You would say almost the these stereo typical guy that Gillette should be preaching against his his active. Then that an and yet he hasn't been affected by this at all. In fact, if anything maybe being made stronger right because there's a there's a desire, I guess the desire for it, I mean whether they want to come out and publicly admit it. But I think a strong manner attractive. I I really do okay, we have that on tape. Yeah, you got that until you have that on tape. Yeah, you have that also I'm I'm attracted to strong man. If I went that way, it makes role. I just right right right, right, TIM, TIM Jeff, it's great,

no relation to TIM Allen, that's kind of sad that all the time I had a guy get me a job somewhere in the guy comes over to me, and he goes so how's your brother, TIM Dillon. I go away who told you that then he goes your friend there right then, and this guy was a pastor. I said you lied to a pastor. You'd, never deny the reality. Do you you just say: yeah he's doing great he's doing great he's thinking about playing here. You know, if you book me a few more times so appreciate it. Alright, Jeff great talk to you, Jeff Allen. You're. Listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program, Brad come to the Glenn Beck program. Brad is number one New York Times, bestseller of the inner circle, the book of faith, nine

other best selling thrillers, including tenth to just First Council, the millionaires, the president shadow, in addition to fiction, he is one of the only authors ever to have books on the bestseller list for nonfiction advice, children's books and comic books. I think I'm the only one on that list with you, except for comic books. You beat me with comic books. You have the love It said that counts, yeah yeah, I know I you know I didn't until my son sure, because you can give your kid that first hero yeah and it's in and I think. In the 90s. It felt like we didn't need that hero. Well, I think, that's what that's. What happens is in all times. If you look historically at the time of the great depression,

the heroes that we look to war heroes that were Tarzan, Flash Gordon, was popular as we we they were designed to take us elsewhere. We want to escape, bring pression and then war war to starting crouching on our shores, and we get scared as a country even know how to fight on had a fight with we need someone to come. Save us and Superman gets invented, sells a million copies an and nine hundred and eleven happened, we were once again a country, America. We were scared, worried that someone is coming after us and the first movie that broke through the public consciousness with Spiderman and right now, even a decade, later, fifteen years later, we're still a country, that's we're starving for heroes, there's no politics about it. Whatever side you're on, we are looking for here on an all times throughout history. It's not just there's a need for that's why they're created too, and so I actually. This is, as you know, my nerd study of it, and I think it's no coincidence why we look to whether it's Neil Armstrong or Mister Rogers this year or even George Washington,

once again, a culture that starving for humility for modesty it. Those all of those three have something in common is a reason why they are people looking to them again. We have a need. You've written a new book called the first conspiracy, the secret plot, to kill George wash. You read enough history to know, for instance, Edison was not a. He was a bad guy, did some good things, but also did some bad things and you can look at people and you can pretty much find that with almost all of them and people who say well, I don't believe in any of these heroes and that these people were, you know, actually really good, because a lot of times the history is wrong and only tells one side, but you can find it. If you look sure I can not find the dark side of George Washington yeah, I know did, did they George Washington lives up to the hype and I always say be: people always want to make right one of the

Every time I do one of the kids books. Everyone was raised me well. This one did this, and this one did that, and this one happen and I say: listen just telling you right now. If you're looking for perfection in people, the only person- that's perfect, his perfect as God, so there's your standard yeah and I feel, like George Washington's sets that standard for us at a different level, which is why the thought of a secret plot to kill him begs the craziest question of all is what happens to us if it worked so tell me that what we don't exist. I agree it tell me about the plot, because I I mean I've written a book and George Washington. I love George, which I've studied him not really familiar with it yeah. This is a. I found this story gland in nearly a decade ago, in a footnote or all the great secrets, always wind up my and I was like a secret plot to kill George Washington. This real is as fake as internet nonsense. What is it

and I was so struck by there wasn't one thousand seven hundred and seventy six just to be clear. Let's talk about it from a plot to kill Washington, some kidnap him some sitting Helen either way he dies because back then, if you could someone at the lower level, we would trade you back to the British, but in his levels that you got hanged and they caught that hi yeah yeah very quickly, and so they round them up. George Washington but they round them up, they build a gallows. They take one of the main coconspirators conspirators hang in front of twenty thousand people, the largest public execution. At that point in north american history, George Washington brings the hammer down is? I do not mess with me. I'm George Washington, I'm gonna be on the money one day. That's a that's an actual historical court right, but but but but I couldn't shake is why don't? I know the story and history since one. I went to peel surprised when an author, Joseph Ellis and I said to me, you know the story because I never heard the story. You wrote about

if the item- and he said to me- this is a story about George Washington's spies. That's why it's secret! That's why you don't know what he said you can find. The exact number of slaves in Mount Vernon. The George Washington, owned you'll never find all his spice is a by its nature, Brad. What you're searching for will forever be elusive and the other reason why you don't know what it is because of when the hanging took place June. Twenty eighth, one thousand seven hundred and seventy six. Now guess what else is going on in the world, on June twenty eight one thousand seven hundred and seventy six year a week away from the declaration independence being signed June. 28Th is when the first draft one of the first drafts, is handed in correct. The British are literally coming and with headlights. That when you're studying that period, this kids were scared. It just becomes a footnote. So his his secret- and you make this point in the book, his yeah, his spies, real

You go on to inspire us and we don't know anything about them a very little, but go on to inspire even the CIA yeah. That's my one of my favorite parts. Is we thought we were investigating the secret plot to kill? George Washington What we realized is we found something far bigger, which was we found out that Washington. One of the first things he did is he created his own secret committee and the secret committee was called 'cause. We have a secret committee, you gotta give it a so was originally called the committee on Stein Enemies, that's a terrible name, and then they settle on the far better name. The committee on Conspiracies- and the committee conspiracies, as you saw in the book, is tension by Jon J becomes eventually at the end of the war, the first Supreme Court justice, but what John J as is researching this plot is slowly so you know they go in the middle of the night there pulling people out of the house are interrogating them their get shaken down for information. What they're really doing

is there building America's first Counter intelligence agency and many historians say you say you know: what's the precursor to the CIA and people say: oh the OSS and that's a formal one, but the a precursor to it. All. Is this moment in one thousand, seven hundred and seventy six in the plot to kill Washington because that's where all starts and they're using civilians, just like the CIA to the using civilians out, always military people gather intelligence was this? Will this uncommon, though I mean weren't kings, doing that for a yeah, but we weren't, you know George Washington, we started. He wanted a good offense one, a good Miller. Terry and he knew we needed a good offense, but he learned in this period of time right at the end, this is one thousand seven hundred and seventy five one thousand seven hundred and seventy six at the start of it. Think of the end. We think George Washington Point as the war goes on, but in the beginning this is He realizes the weight. I don't don't need a great offense. I need a great defense that are people coming out, we need information to see. What's coming that way, not can to see on a battlefield. There is a whole other battle being

it's this moment that inspires his later building. The culper ring his lyrics and in the committee on conspiracies, in fact, right now in Langley Virginia at CIA headquarters. To this day there was a room dedicated to John Jay, who they called the founding father of intelligence. It all starts here in this moment. I I so I love, and you see these parts of the Diane again. You and I've talked about this offline and an airplane times, but there were so parts I didn't know. George Washington had his own private bodyguards. Never I'm like. How did I not know this and what he had done is he asked all of his top regiments. He said give me your for best man. And he narrowed it down him or what they called drill: the men and drill the men with the best of the best they they would just They were actually even a certain height, a certain build, a certain moral character kind of person. You really want on your side. You can trust. George

impersonally narrows it down to about fifty people and these become what they called the generals guard. They call on. Commanders car, but the name that sticks are the lifeguards, because one of their jobs is guarding George Wash since life is also amazingly. Where was that way? Watch come from, that's where it is that where we get life, I don't know. If that's the official term, I I haven't tried trust me, I thought, and I got a look it up, but that's I honestly Do you think it may be where the term comes from, but it comes from the lifeguards they guarded his money The card is papers and the guard is life, these the one they went home with them. These original secret service, but these the men who turn on him for the men on the lifeguards, accept bribes and want money. Basically decide I'm going to go to the other side. You know when you have Alexander Hamilton, you can you kind of can see why he turns you don't necessarily agree with them, but

I can see man what a stupid mistake. That was what a stupid human error right, yeah, she's she's, just a series of human error, is where, where he turns yep, what is? Is it Washington's error? No, it's not! You know it's not a it's, not a Benedict Arnold, where I feel slighted and I'm going to do it right and it garnered. I know you meant that you might get Benedict well, the you know, has this: he you see all the slides, and so you know it's ego and hubris and all the other things that go along with any great fall with this one not that at all. It's nothing personal. You know, and I think it's we, America, you know we take our heroes, we dip them in granite. We build statue of them and we do a disservice because they're, not human anymore. They become these lower case g gods and which is horrible and We are worshipping the wrong thing. We do that and these people anyone you look up to. As you know, I've talked many times whether it's George Washington or Rosa Parks, or talk

king had a moment any hero, you've ever loved Adam. Where they were scared and they were terrified. They didn't think they could go on and they keep going forward. They choose to go forward and what happens in this moment, but we also do the revolution as you know, is we tell the story that we all gather around democracy we held hands we march, for as one and we beat the greatest fighting force, the british that the world had ever seen at the time. It's a great story, it's not the real story, it was so much more complex, we weren't know we think we're divided. Now we were so divided back then that there were nearly a New York City in one thousand seven hundred and seventy six. There were nearly as many loyalists on the british side as there were on the patriots out on the mirror, and it was a seminar in our own military. You had you know all these regiment, so one of my favorite scenes in the book is you have the Massachusetts. Regiment is meeting Virginia Regiment for the first time. It's in Harvard yard. George Washington is there and you know

GOSH Massachusetts. They look at the uniform of the of the Virginians. They have some fairly thing on the uniform we don't have one uniform that were fighting in some guys are showing up on work shirts and some guys don't have shoes, so they're not unified. I breaks out enjoyed. George comes racing him and grabs two of them. The neck is shaking him and basically saying stop fighting with each other, we're on the same team and when have you know, and if ever there were a metaphor for where we are today there it is, but to. What you have back, then is you have allegiances is always shifting, because here's, the one thing that happens is not a sure thing that we're going to win in those early days of the war in those early battles were getting cry, and in those moments the one thing that's true then- and it's true now is no one wants to on the losing team, and so you have the owner of New York at the time a guy named William. Try basically is Maddie's losses. Job is the british governor of the user, pointed by the British. He basically starts bribing people and seeing who

turn and when you have, as you know when, when it looks like America's not going to do well, you may pull it out and you got no gunpowder, no shoes, guess what they go. You know what I might that money to switch and the and the plot was exactly that. They're big, Graham plan when you read the first conspiracy, is you'll, see there and I got don't know every single detail- 'cause. Of course the plot warded, but their plan was going to bridges is going to steal our cannons and they would come for washing. It was all going to happen, just as the British are in New York that, and that moment they're going to give whatever the signal was going to be an you know: sounds like something out of episode: three STAR wars right, but they were literally going to turn and switch, and the people who are on that. We thought were on the patriots side, we're going to be revealed as traders and kill everyone there

name of the book is the first conspiracy, the secret plot to kill George Washington Brad Meltzer. Is the author and he's going to be doing a podcast with us as well, so you'll be able to hear the story and grab the book? It's mobile everywhere right now. Brad. Thank you. So much blaze, radio network on demand