I don't know if you've heard about the controversy surrounding the new movie unplanned, but it is really important. Many people are viewing the M p. A A's decision to slap an r rating on this movie is little more than an attempt to prevent Christians or just people who don't have any faith at all. Who are just going to take their children in and the reading of our will make them not see it. This is really really an important movie. The MPA a rating is making it harder for young people see the consequence of abortion to see the real, unbelievable, miraculous story of of Abby Johnson and this one scene, I'm promising you will absolutely cement for ever. In your child's mind, what abortion really is, the movie is unplanned, and it brings us an eye opening look inside the abortion industry from a woman who was once it's most passionate advocate, she was somebody who is the planned parenthood employee of the year nationally go to unplanned film dot com that Sun planned film dot com. I promise that you will not leave the theater in the same way that you went in and it will be an uplifting experience and please bring your teenage children. Fun, planned film dot com in theaters everywhere now

my guest on today's podcast is a woman who, I think is going to change the world but she's changing it through love, she's always been fiercely determined to help people to help, in particular women who are in crisis. She was a woman who was in crisis twice in her life of pregnancy crisis when she boarded to children when she went through that she saw these Christians who were and wanted to help those women get into the clinic and and not have to hear all of that. So she volunteered her time at the local planned parenthood and she rose through the ranks quickly. She became a director of planned parenthood and, in fact, into two thousand and nine actually won the employee of the Year award the National employee of the year, but she was about to experience something that changed her and I think, may change the abortion battle. It's all in a new movie that just came out called unplanned. That's also the name of her book about this experience, but this is real life. Today's podcast, the hero, Abby Johnson

Abby, tell me who the people are that go into planned parenthood to have an abortion. It's a it's. A variety of people, mostly college age, women. But our youngest client was ten. And all client was fifty two um bye. Half of them were repeat patience. You were a repeat patient. Yes, I think the pro life movement has

failed people to some degree because you're a baby killer. If you go and have an abortion and that the message that I think I heard from you- that's not true. That's not who people are. It's not, I mean you know. I originally got involved with planned parenthood, believing that I was helping women. And these women who were coming in worm. Telling us thank you, you know when I remember some you talking about women regretting their abortion procedures and I thought it doesn't happen. I've never had a woman come in here he's

and I wish I would have done that. They were also thankful and fall, and they they believed the lie. The at society has been telling them for many years that. In order to provide for your current family in your future family, abortion is a viable option for so it's not like they walked in saying I'm so excited exercise my right to kill my baby right today. They really- I mean, I think about so many of the women, I'm thirty eight and my mom. Never had an ultrasound with me that just was not standard practice, so I think about women during at time.

They really, you know, didn't know so was it was sort of out of sheer ignorance? I think. Women today they know they're pregnant with a baby, so holding up a picture of a six foot. Image of a aborted baby is not full. That's not generally going to phase them because they know the baby has arms and legs, and they know that it's that they have been taught by our society. That dehumanizing the baby in order to get ahead in order to finish your career in, to put food on the table for your other children that you already have, because, by the way, six, the percent of women who have abortions already have children at home. That I is the right option for them.

When you look. At Margaret Sanger and and what she really believed and. I mean I, I read her stuff and she was leave a monster on her believe she was clearly a racist, but she just thought of you know: children is undesirables and most of them should be eliminated, especially in certain communities. How much of that is not not with the people who are coming in, and not even at the people to local clinics, but up at the top level is it is difference between the local clinic and the people up

top of planned parenthood for sure yeah I mean. Your everyday worker in the clinic in your local clinic they have no idea about what's going on in upper management, so all these quotas that you have as a director the financial incentives. All of that that's tell me about those quotas in the financial incentives, so each clinic has an any to Philly it sort of breaks down for each clinic how many abortions you have to sell each month to your patience and how they come up with their budget for abortion services, which is odd because, if you're treating cancer year not necessarily saying we've got

find more find more kids with cancer you're happy. If cancer patients are down right, exactly yeah, no, not in this case now, that's what they tell people, though they tell people or they used to to help you. When I first got involved rare, safe, legal, rare right. They don't say that anymore. Now it's just about access access at any car, so at the cost of regulations at the cost of patient safety, no matter what we just want: abortion as accessible as possible, but when you are a manager when you meet those quote, then there's a financial incentive. So you get a bonus as a manager. So you had those bonuses- oh yeah, yeah. You feel about that money. Now.

You know I felt like. I I mean I feel like I do. I do about all the money that I mean a lot of money working there, It was all money from corruption, primarily from abortion, pushing my staff to and is abortion numbers. It's disgusting, it's despicable, but that's abortion. It's a business. It's in play, parents on a really good job and the person the abortion business in general has been a really good job of. Convincing people that. You know abortion is just this on fortunate decision that women sometimes have to make they're going to make it better

if they make it in a safe home, grown quote, clinic. They don't talk about how they are actually selling patients on abortion that look that's the whole purpose of planned parenthood being in our public school system. It's not to provide is not to provide sex education to our kids purpose of them being in the public school system and in some private school systems. He so that they can develop a relationship with your child, starting in kindergarten. When your child gets old enough and they start going through puberty- and they start having questions about sex. The educators are there to say, and I know they say this because I was an educator. I said this:

you can't go to your parents about how you're feeling right now they won't understand. Oh my gosh, they don't know what you're going through, but you can come to me because I've known you, since you were five I've known you since you were in kindergarten. You can trust me. And then the goal is we get these girls into our clinics, and by the time they're eleven twelve thirteen years old. We have them on. Control method. Like I said, I'm thirty eight. If you tell me how you have to take a pill at the same time, everyday within two hours in For this thing to be allowed to have, I would fail so, if you're asking a twelve year old to do that she is, of course you are you're setting her up for failure, but that's the point. They putting her on a method that has a high human error rate and they know that plan

Own statistics state that fifty four percent of women who have abortions were using contraception. The time they got pregnant That's the whole point put him on. A method that has a high human error rate. These girls will fail, hopefully, before they graduate high school, they will be into our clinics for their first abortion by the way. They don't have to tell their parents that there having an abortion, so You know we have all these laws in place: parental consent for notification, which are all good laws, but this in court, ruled at anytime you have parental involvement regarding a minor's abortion decision that you to have something called judicial bypass, so he

Texas, for instance, there's an organization called change due process. All they do their nonprofit group. All they do is girls to judges who will, rubber stamp their application for them to be able to get an abortion without their parents, consent and and by the time they get to college, which again they have the abortion we send them out with yet their pack of birth control pills that we know will eventually fail them. And they will fail. Taking the pill. And, by the time they're in college, still come back for their second abortion. If we're lucky The time this woman is thirty, she will have had three abortions. Do you it were there meetings? Do you talk like this in those means, if we're lucky they'll have three abortion yeah.

That's their revenue generating model. We were taught to turn free client visit into a revenue generating visit. The only way you can do that- and this was very clearly expressed in management meetings, the uh Well, you can do that is to sell this woman on abortion. If she's pregnant play, paranoid doesn't provide prenatal care, we can't help her. She wants to continue her pregnancy. It's not like. We get kicked south of adoption. So if she comes in and she's pregnant is our job to see well her an abortion, and they try mean us then on how to sell that abortion to her. This makes it sound. Like I mean. That is not the image of planned parenthood. The images we are just here to provide all kinds of services, and that happens to be one Ann. If somebody comes in and needs it, yours, your your

word describing a scene that is much more like. I don't like. Car salesman? What do I need to do to get you into this abortion today? Let me go talk to the manager kind of sticky. Exactly out is so. We had trainings on how to overcome objections. Soap, take care religious objections like what so women would come in about sixty percent of women who have abortions the vice Christian, so many of the women who would come in would say I just don't know. If can forgive me if I do this, I don't if this is a sin. That was a very common thing, though I heard so we were train then through scripts. Two talk to them. Talk through that objection, so we would say to them. Well,. But don't you believe in a forgiving God Don't you believe that God

understand your circumstances right now? He knows everything about you and he understands that you're, not in a position right now to be a mother. So is this idea of presumptive forgiveness that we are pushing on these rule? Just women who are coming in have abortions. I mean we had scripts for everything uh. If a woman came in and let's say we do ultrasound charge, one hundred and fifty dollars for that ultrasound and then she's like well, I don't know, I don't know. Maybe then we say to her well, if you go ahead and schedule your abortion appointment today, I'm authorized to take that one hundred and fifty dollars off of the cost of your abortion, but you have to still the appointment today. Is there any reason we shouldn't just go ahead and get that scheduled? I mean. You are literally taught how to overcome the

actions that women coming in might have for you. And it never seemed bad to you. I didn't see it, I mean. How long were you there started as years you Came in an you were a client of planned parenthood or another abortion clinic and now they're abortion clinic twice well, another abortion clinic first, abortion then planned parenthood, and the first abortion clinic was a nightmare yeah and they gave you the morning after pill. You know I had the surgical abortion article and then the an abortion. It was the medication abortion that was the not so. Are you forty six right, yeah and lease in the film worse in real life yeah, and is that.

What it's usually like for women? Yes yeah, but we would well sort of became a joke at the clinic because the management wants to increase the medication abortion, because in many states you don't have to have a doctor on site today at that medication. So they don't have to pay a doctor to give the medication. So. They wanted to increase that number planned parenthood's goal was a twenty twenty to have fifty percent of their abortions, be the RU forty six pill, abortion 'cause it costs less for and if you don't have to have a physician there performing the abortion and sort of became a joke in the clinic, because I hated them vacation abortion process. I knew that we were lying to women

aye gone through it myself. By what do you mean by lying to women while we were telling them? Oh, it's just like a heavy minstrel cycle, just some minor cramping a little bit of bleeding. I knew that was a lie. And So it became a joke in the clinic, because every time we would have patients there for medication abortions, I would talk them out of it and talk them into doing a surgical abortion which they pics longer. We can't do it that day and so my boss stop letting me counsel them location of washing clients, because I was actually giving them the truth of what those seizures were like explain what it's like. So most of the time women pass clots the size of lemons or bigger that can last for eight weeks. Oh my gosh, sometimes uh

women well a lot of times the medication abortion procedure won't work, so it will kill the baby them if a practice that you take will kill the baby. But then, the process will not be affected at actually removing the baby from the uterus, so if it does, the Middle Procell's job is to cause crew, I'm paying to cause the cervix to contract and the Utah to contract and expel the baby. You spell a baby into the toilet. You flush it down the toilet. Oh my gosh. If it doesn't work which many times it doesn't, especially if you're further along in your pregnancy, and part of the baby may come out, but part of it he still be left inside of your uterus. So then time to go back for a surgical, abortion anyway and then you're recovering from vertical abortion. On top of that uh

magic event, you just experience with medication, abortion, and what is the procedure like for the patient? If you just have the medical abortion uh for the medical abortion she comes in? She talks with all of her paperwork is, is completed and filled out by a non medical staff person. They make sure all the consents are signed of a legalese is taken care of then she goes back with usually a nurse not always. Sometimes it could be a non medical staff person to perform ultrasound 'cause. We want to make sure that she's within that window, where she can do them location abortion, because you can only do the medication abortion after twelve weeks uh

and then they give her. The pills they give her the myth of practice in the clinic add that's what actually kills the baby removed the progesterone I mean: what is it like? If you don't use the? Are you for four thousand three hundred and sixty view the surgical? You have the surgical, so patient comes in she's in the back room. She goes to signs all the consents goes in the procedure. Room doctor begins the procedure, but we ultrasound. We only did an ultrasound to determine how far along she was in her pregnancy. We would know exactly how much to charge her for abortion. Ultrasound is rolled away and then the dog never sees it. No, no! No! No! You don't give her the option, you don't tell her you're doing it or anything she sedated immediately. So for that reason,

for that reason yes, doctor comes in begins artificially dilating the cervix. So what you hope actually happens during childbirth he's going to artificially make that happen. Then, in. He inserts a cannula looks like a straw. It's graduated gets bigger depending on how far along she is in the pregnancy, I'm primarily because the head is bigger the further along as she is in her pregnancy, and he inserts that into her uterus and just blindly pokes around in the woman's uterus, which would be more safe if they were still doing ultrasound at the time right absolutely and they choose not to do that. They do not. Now I asked my supervisor using an ultrasound is safer for the patient. Why isn't this? The procedure

told that it is safer, but using an ultrasound during the abortion takes up an extra three minutes of time we factory floor. Sure I mean when we we're performing abortions. We were doing anywhere between. I don't know. Thirty. Fifty a day, oh my gosh Sophie we're adding three minutes of time per patient. That's just additional time for your physician and so he's performing this abortion. He can't actually see what's happening inside the woman's uterus, so. It's no wonder that we see such a high complication rate with uterine perforation, where the doctor pokes a hole through the woman's uterus, because he can't see when to stop can't see where the end that you're a says and and then after that's completed.

The woman goes into the recovery room for a maximum of twenty minutes. And the everything that was suctioned out of her uterus, the baby goes into a lab and in that lab, there's a technician there that reassembles the parts of the baby to ensure that everything was removed from the woman's uterus. Because if we didn't, if we left a leg or an arm or something she can develop, the she can become septic and that can be fatal for her. The people who are of reassembling these children handle that. You know there's as specific group of people who are allowed to do it. I think it's people who. Have really harden themselves. To the abortion procedure, I did

work with the girl one time. Who was a p r tech for several years? She look up, leaving just completely traumatized. We had done seventeen week, abortion and. When she not it's a d, so it's not in a actually removing the peace of the baby piece by piece and she got the tray of the parts. The torso and the arms were still connected, and she said I saw this baby's hand, move like clenched into a fist and then opened and she just lost it then and laughed. I like my supervisor was primarily the one at my clinic who who was.

In the poc which products of conception- but you yours F, used to call it peace, the children, what's the oldest child, that would go through that you have that you saw go through. The oldest that at. I have seen. Um was around eighteen weeks in our affiliate, but that's techniques, the eighteen, that's what they wrote down,

but I think you know it was probably more like nineteen twenty weeks. You know: there's doctors, though the country that will perform abortions electively up until birth, those facilities actually have incinerators built into p poc lab so that they can incinerate these babies. They're inside their facility, there was a story extensive back for all of this that they were led plant wasn't incinerating they were selling about body parts. Did you about that yeah? We did that we did that at at my affiliate.

It's very lucrative for the affiliate so conservatively we probably making about two five million a year on that transaction alone. Oh my gosh tell me about. The day they we were called in to assist yeah, so I was often called into procedure rooms. As you know, I was clinic director was sort of administrative, not how long, how long after this, when did this take place in relationship to your employee of the year award. So I received that award in April of two thousand and nine this

in September. Ok- and you were proud of that award yeah and you got it because you're making so much money, yeah. In the movie it shows that at that point you started to question, and there was a beginning of a falling out. Is the happen? Yes couple things that happened? We were breaking ground on our new facility in Houston that was built in order to perform portions through six months of pregnancy, which was. That was a little too far out yeah. I felt like now we're dabbling into viability, the shoes, and that was my line in the sand. That was the first thing that it bother you that viability was getting

yeah closer to where you were yeah yeah. It did yeah, and I was very aware of that. You know I sort of I don't know the wrong side of science or wrong side of history feeling I was uh. I remember one time I was really I'd always thought my ability was a twenty four weeks. So then I was reading this article in People magazine one time about this little girl that was born at twenty two weeks and I was like Gosleep. It's creeping back, scraping back people to know that we were I'm going to be surpassing. That line. So that happened, then the abortion quota discussion that we were supposed to be doubling our quota took place, and I just thought: what in the world is this at the time.

You know I didn't know if it was that the organization was changing or if it was just that now I was so high up in management. I actually seeing what we have been about all along and I realize now it was the latter this. This is always been us. I just never privy to what was taking place at the higher levels of management until I became part of it. So That caused a great deal of strife. Between me and my my supervisor. I just I just couldn't believe what I was hearing and I was really trying to fight back again instead and she can like that, you know she. She did not like that. I was

going against her orders and being combative and arguing with her so been some tension there, and that was really the first time where I remember thinking. Maybe this isn't where I'm going to be for the rest of my life, thought that I would retire Planned parenthood- and that was the first time where I thought, maybe not. Maybe there is something else out there for me, never thinking may I'm pro life one day, but just thinking you know maybe this isn't. It and and so that that was really there's been several things that happened, that year to sort of lead up to that pivotal moment and that pivotal moment that made you quit parenthood and become pro life was what

I was asked to come in and assist during an ultrasound guided abortion procedure. We had a visiting physician come in that day who his own private practice, and he only did ultrasound guided procedures in his own practice, explaining to me that it was safer. So he thought that he would just sort of show us what this looks like he thought it would be interesting for us to watch different type of abortion take place so because he needed extra set of hands literally to hold the ultrasound probe and I clinic director I was called in to assist and. Never assisted an abortion before I'd been inside the room,

holding the hand of a girl that was scared or something like that, but actually being on the business end of abortion. That was not something I've never done which is funny because you were- actually on the business of abortion. And so I we did the measurement we fee, but the woman was thirteen weeks along and I just I stood there really shocked, As I watched this thirteen week old baby. Move away, try to get away from this, the suction cannula and the suction wasn't yet turned on Ann. And I couldn't believe it I I remember you know thinking, I should say something I should do something I should this woman up

and show her this I mean I felt like I felt the urge to do something, but I didn't I just I was so frozen staring at that screen. I will to look away, but I couldn't. And the doctor had the like annual in the right position. He asked the technician to turn on the suction machine and he said be me: Scotty. And. I watch this this baby pieces of it just disappear into the suction cannula until the screen was, and I knew that that meant the abortion had been successful. Would you do after that.

I went to my office. I didn't know what to think um. I kept checking on the woman in recovery. I fee, like I held the secret that wanted to share with her, but I couldn't secret that your son or daughter fought for his life. They knew it was a boy um. And I I felt like I. Held all of this way. I wanted to share it, but I couldn't, and so I checking honor and going to my office and I left that day I

went home and I talked to my huh soon about what I had seen. My husband had always been pro life, so we didn't really talk about my job. And. I just said I have to tell you about what I saw today and it started describing it and he was like ABBA right. I really don't want to. I don't want to hear this most as well. You have to, I have to talk to somebody about it and never know who else talk to you. And he didn't want to hear it 'cause. He He had been telling you the whole time. This is not you. This is. This is wrong, I shouldn't be there and he who was expecting that you would tell him and then say well, I gotta go to work. I think he didn't know what was I was going to do. I remember after I recount this to him. And he could have said well. I told you so I've been telling you for eight years. You know he didn't

he. He just looked at me and he said well. What are you gonna do now. And. I said I don't know and he said Abby, you know the truth. What are you going to do now and. I said I think I'm going to have to leave, and that was terrifying. Just um. The thought of. Leaving behind this salary, leaving behind all my friends. Leaving behind this identity that and become who I was you I was like: who am I, if I'm not this person? Who who am I and then having to admit what I had done.

And what I had been a part of and having to face us a hard thing to face, or we get there, do you have to face planned parenthood? First, did you I did yeah and they were not happy. No they're, not what happened. At three weeks after I left, I was served paper from planned parenthood. They had gotten a temporary restraining order of disclosure, so a temporary gag order. I against me. And I was so surprised getting it and just thinking what people were. My friends I just I was so. I was still. Just so naive, I really did you plan on speaking out at that time. Ever no, no!

I already had another job lined up. I was going to start in November. This was late October. Running in Ob Gyn's practice and no ever planned on telling my story. But when they sued me, they sent out a press release about it, I did, and that was, picked up by the AP and that's what got circulated around to all these news outlets and really or to force me what it say about you. It just said that they were preferably had taken action two to protect patient confidentiality and that they were they seeking out a permanent. Restraining order, disclosure the the media was like what does she know raid that piqued their interest,

and so I mean honestly, if it hadn't been for their press release. I don't know that my story would have really ever gotten out there. Wow take me to the trial. How long did it last in the movie? It was, you know a minute yeah like fifty three minutes, total. We went in and, of course, I knew all their attorneys kaside works them for so it was all very awkward for me. 'cause there's like imperative board members and my supervisor and my two best friends who were now testifying against me, and I just I just thought. Oh my gosh. What is happening. I um, I honestly thought they would respect my choice,

we're selling baby parts and killing children. They should respect your choice. I thought! Well, don't you were you were in it. You are honest about it, you You honestly didn't see the problem. You honestly thought that the people who are Christians out front who are wearing the you know the death mask in screaming. Murderer. You honestly we're trying to protect those women, yes and so. You didn't realize at the time that so many of them knew exactly what you had just found out and they didn't have a problem with it I mean I was just so naive that at that time I I just saw it well, I'm going to leave.

In planned. Parenthood is pro choice, and now I don't believe in abortion, so they're going to respect my choice. Um. Cows just really stupid. At that time, I really was. I didn't realize what a threat I as to them, what a three at former workers are to them. And we went to court. And they say what they said in the movie in the hallway yeah. What was it um? She had said. She had said that. Well, they had made fun of my attorney because he basically like an ambulance chaser who had billboards up all over town, but he and hated planned parenthood head. So he was ready to you know, he's already got about

made fun of my attorney and summer after we won. It was like this isn't over and is that to him yeah. We were like. No. I think it's over? Are you listening in there? They go yeah. I think we want said, but the the courtroom was just crazy. They were. My boss got up on the stand. My attorney was so great Is asking her these questions and. He said you know: do you believe that Miss Johnson to any confidential patient information and proprietary information- and she said? Well, we don't know, and he said well, don't you have electronic, so you can see that and he said what did the electronic records show? Well, it showed she didn't take anything okay

and he said so. What's this really about, I mean what is this about Security co, alarm code, I mean what is this about and she said well yeah I mean she knows, are alarm code and he said change that yeah. He said well, you haven't changed that, since she laughed and he she said. No, we did, and so my attorney Lee so I mean he was just so serious. He goes. Do you believe that Johnson is somehow clairvoyant and we'll be able to have access to this constant, and I swear she looked right down when she goes well No, it was just as it was ridiculous and so they presented first. And when they got done attorney just sit up and said this is real.

Gillis Dads and asks for a directed verdict and the judge said you have nothing. This is over and that was it Sold by them after not really every once in awhile, I would say something and then they would make a statement calling me a liar and then I would provide proof of what I was saying and then they would have to come back. And say: oh okay, well yeah, we did, and so now, when I say something they just leave it alone. They just shut up because they don't know. I think they don't know what evidence I may have. We go to the The healing of yourself. You honestly didn't know you honestly felt like this was right thing to do. You honestly thought you were helping people when you found out you weren't, you got out and you're honest about it. But going home and counting you had to have

counted. The number of children did twenty two thousand to make big number. And, as you were, counting those- and you were in that space, what were you thinking? Well. When I was first counting them and came to that number. Honestly, I just. I really didn't know how to live with that kind of burden. Um, you know if I wanted to, I just saw how do you I do you honey process that, thankfully I grew up with a really strong foundation, so you know I grew up believing that God, as forgive us when we're truly repentant- and I

I truly was- and I you know, I was reminded that. I could never go back and write my wrong that wasn't required of me anyway, but. I just I remember when I was feeling such despair over just the sheer amount of children. I just kept reminding me that it was over and that he has one, and I remember one time I was watching that movie kung Fu Panda with my daughter. And this was not long after I left and there's like wise old turtle right in mouse thing, and the

girls dying in the mouse is talking to him. The turtle says. Do you know why today is called the present, because it is a gift, and I thought. That's so right, you know I can wake up everyday and relive my past and wallow in that for the rest of my life. Knowing that I can never change it, I can never go back or I can release myself of it with God's help. I can live every day right now for him doing. The best that I can do by do everything I can to save the unborn to facilitate healing among men and women who have been touched by abortion

to help bring abortion clinic workers out of the industry, and I feel like when you're, when you're living in that space, when you're living in the present. God doesn't really allow you time to continue to go because you're busy you're busy filling his will for your life. Where did you make your mistake?. Well, going sound crazy, but I can tell you where made I'm mistake. I made my mistake When I went to college. And I. Started living a life of immodesty. In my

Beach in my behavior in my dress, I saw that that a acted guys. That was a tension that I wanted. I had my first unplanned pregnancy. Had my abortion. I believe that was when. Abortion and and that sin that led me down that road, that's when it entered, and it was just one poor choice after another, but it started way back before actually laid on that table the first time it the decisions I was making that lead. Do that unplanned pregnancy

and I've been, I mean I've been raised better than that I've been taught. Most of us have I'm last two questions talk directly to two: those who are in the pro life movement, but maybe be not behaving in such a way that would have captured you. I hear sometimes people who are less effective in the pro life movement say well. I just have to do what God telling me to do. God is never going to tell you to yell at a woman who's in crisis. That's not who got is, he is never going to tell you.

To intimidate. A woman who is scared and feeling vulnerable. There are lives literally hanging in the balance here are affected should be of utmost importance. And I think we have a skewed and from one time this lady got super mad at me, because is she said? Well, God tells me to to bring the signs and to talk to the women the way I do and said you know she. He tells me, and I said you know, and I worked in the clinic. I thought I was telling me to work. There too is sometimes the voice you hear is not God, and God is never going to force himself on anyone else. Always say, God is gentleman and

he works off of invitation not by force and all you are doing. Is creating a safe haven inside the abortion clinic this? This. Is not about us being right and then being wrong. There were some st that I don't know who was, but he said when an argument lose a soul. Not trying to win an argument here, I'm trying to save a life, I'm trying to save a woman from a lifetime of regret and shame that matters and our behavior toward that woman. Is really the only thing that matters when we're on the sidewalk, because we can't save her child unless we reach her first That type of behavior- this is all for the top. Behavior is never.

Going to bring anyone to you. There's never a time where a young woman in crisis is going to say I will walk up to that. Lady. That's called me, a murderer it. It doesn't happen. Now talk to the woman who's in this situation or girl. You know it's a scary thing to be in a crisis. Pregnancy of I've had a couple. And I think it's I think we live in a society where. Secular feminism is running, rampant and telling women that telling women everything that they can't do, exploiting their weakness and exploiting their vulnerability and. Women come to me all the time through email or my website and they'll say: Abby

can't do it and I just I just tell them you can do it. You are doing it. And I'm going to be there to help it with you. We are not meant to rent to live in isolation or meant to do it community with help- and there are so many people in the pro life movement who want to pregnancy, resource centers who won. Want to around these women who are in crisis and truly accompany them. On their journey, and so I would just encourage women to find the people who want to Year, cheerleader because they are out there and there probably most likely through local pregnancy help center It's an honor to meet. You sent her to know you. I.

I think we live in the age of miracles again and I think we're going to see an end to this 'cause. It's barbaric you. Look at it with the eyes from a hundred years from now they'll look at it is slavery. And it were on the wrong side of history and you will be remembered, as I hope, one of the real keys to Turn this engine off. Thank you just a reminder:

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