This is going to be a pod cast. You will want to listen to all the way to the end. For twelve years, our guest was a professional French, harnessed with dont even know. If that's what you call, it he's a guy who played the French who is at harnessed because it sounds bat. Anyway, he was with the Annapolis brass quintet. Then at city orchestra Barcelona. Then he was a professor of french horn. After that he worked as a professor at Syracuse University, where he taught economics and social onto procuratorship. I guess the horn thing didn't work out. Currently he is the president of the American Enterprise Institute, but he is leaving that position this summer and he's going to begin teaching at the Harvard Kennedy, School and Harvard Business School. His latest book is love your enemy, how decent people can save Amerika from the culture of contempt? It came out in early March best seller on the USA today and New York Times list he's also columnist for the Washington Post host of the pod cast. The Arthur Brook show that selling author of eleven books on topics, including the role of government, fairness, economic opportunity, happiness and the morality of free enterprise, don't miss a minute of this episode with Arthur, Brooks

what's happened to us who, who are we today Were the Americans, we always work, but it's a hard time, The hard time, because after a financial crisis nor the stresses and strains the belief that people and why. In ten people, were in charge of left us behind, we get a dignity gap. A lot of despair when you travel around this country, that despair is metastasize into something really dangerous, which is contempt. Belief that somebody who disagrees with you is utterly worthless. Populism, Washington, the despair in the country that the fact that the economic growth is largely been focused on just the top twenty percent of the income distribution is kind made up nasty. Mix of circumstances and ecosystem is really dangerous now put in social media

and anonymity aid. All this together has created this environment that we see today, where we were still Europeans were, does not solve are we are we? Are we misjudging each other, for instance, believe the border? I am convinced that the I for border wall is? not really a cry for border wall? It's a cry. It's it's a! I have trusted you to take care of I trusted you that you about so about but he coming in with ill attend. Some coming in with drugs. We're coming in and and doing nefarious things. I trusted you for so long and you You're telling me you want to fix it and then you don't I want a wall not because we are afraid of America, because the Mexicans I want a wall, because I don't believe you

actually mean this and if I don't have a permanent wall, You can do whatever you want, but when the next sky comes in, or when you don't have to be re, elected you're, gonna, stop taking care of these things, and then I think a lot of the frustration. That's happening that being being made into or you're a racist is. Actually I don't frost the government anymore. I do trust people in power anymore, and I want something fixed that use be common sense? You know a lot of issues like this would happen in times of real political polarization words not about the specific political case at hand, is our avatar issues we'll see by the way. The left on the political left in him go we're talking of effectively about open borders on the Democratic Party, doesn't want open borders, they ve never talked about

but borders before, but the reason they are is to be it in contrast to what they think trumpets talking about and the people we support all Trump or saying what they're saying about the wall to be in contrast to what they believe. The other side believes in these times of incredible polarization. We we do theatre cleanup Annette again. I understand it port to have sovereignty. I understand is important, have rule of law but, alas, times in the discussions that we have or trying to set ourselves apart from the other side, were actually making issues that have traditionally not been at the centre of the american conversation into those, are because we can get the daylight the maximum amount of daylight between the two sides. I think that's a perfect example is that just politics, it's not just politics is culture we're more polarizes countries and we ve been at any time since the civil war and I'm data show this one in six. Americans have stop talking to a family member, a close friend because politics since the between sixteen election and in here the kicker clan. Ninety three percent of Africans, hate it. Ninety

Percent of us say it's, not the basque country. We are not who were supposed to be and we hate how divided we become. So I say this I mean, you, and I are. On the same I mean I think, not dodge hearing book, but their aim paid out of the book personally This involves guys, right and, and- and lift yourself up above this. And encourage people by having courage, that's contagious and encourage others to do the same, but you I know it. I don't need a pull it tell me. I know people in America are tired of this. Don't want feel this way. But when you talk, to them they will all say well, they're not gonna. Stop there just not going to stop, and I look at the two sides and I think right. They're, not gonna, stop either side schemes. Neither sides gotta stop right, but most of us are kind of

weirdly in the middle on this? I say: ninety three percent of Americans hate her divided. We becomes a country, that's true that doesn't mean ninety three percent of us don't have opinions, correct. Look I'm The conservatives who are you? I have strong opinions. I got hammer and tongs after the stuff that I think about, but I dont think that people disagree with mere stupid naval on account Very I mean everybody listening to us, everybody watching us on you too right now. They love somebody with whom they disagree politically and in their bitter and their angry about the fact that we are being told that after repudiate their mother in law, somebody who somebody moves are mother sister like it right. The problem is, they got, they have no team and furthermore, this there is a little bit of a corporate here. The set percent that don't hate. How do I do it becomes a country or dining out on it. You know we have a whole outrage. Industrial complex and politics and media on campuses. No people were

sickly, getting rich and powerful famous saying the other side is stupid naval. Look. I disagree strongly because this with other people, because this agreement is the essence accomplished- ideas makes Amerika great disagreements. We shouldn't agree because agreement, LISA stagnation and mediocrity and a one candidate elections, and it is terrible in a one product in the stores. We don't want that and it will live that way, but I don't wanna hate the people who disagree with me right cause. I don't hate the BP disagree with me. I want to compete on these ideas were feminine. Basically, will we have seven percent, or whatever minority ginning up the hatred between the two sides that you can be in this disequilibrium were ninety three percent of the people say, don't like other countries is, is acting, don't like how we're fine? each other all the time and hating each other. All the time treated each other with contempt, but has said time, they don't know what to do, and so there on one side or the other. So what do they do? The first thing to do More- is that it's really not about just getting better president

Congress, Sir govern changing its not what's gonna happen as we need an interior revolution blood. You're saying- and I was thinking about this for a long time- you know I'm I'm an institutional guy. He now in Washington DC when a big think tank in I talked of politics Like you, you know I talk to thy I've known presidency, I states its great life and how she's gonna be an institutional answer, but there is it whenever it comes to hatred whenever it comes to relationship problems. That's an interior pollution. That's a social movement starts inside each person's heart, and yours simply how it works like nobody in his Mary has ever been insulted into agreement ever and that means who were saying that I am right in your stupid evil. That's a counter productive. It is a very its is an effective way of arguing and other people getting rich making those arguments, but we will never prosper on the basis of that, so we're not persuasive nobody's persuading anybody. Number two were unhappy. We find that

the current climate. We treat each other with contempt in this country. The bitter polarization is leading to higher levels of depression, higher levels of loneliness, higher levels of anger, higher levels of stress. In other words, what you are treated with contempt and we treat other people with contempt or not as happy as we could be. A number three we hate House turned the country apart, lose lose lose the ants So that is not that I am going to change the whole country. The answer to that is it Arthur's gonna change Arthur love your enemies as a way to say this is my declaration of independence, because not declaring Crapsey and declaring independence in Japan from the outrage industrial, complex independence, from the contempt that ripping my country apart, guess. I refuse not too long if my fellow Americans I want to be, more persuasive. I wanna be happier Monday, some good for America, so I've you know after I left fox the year I join Fox, I was

does a great year by the way I got a good fox at five p m. So two thousand eight I'm voted the third, a third or fourth most admired man in the world you stupid, pull it comes out, their shells house american affair, I was. It was in between Nelson Mandela and the Pope. I was tied with one of em. I don't remember and and we just had us laugh. We're like this is ridiculous. Go too far, in a year: I'm aid it by half of the country saying the same things that I said on CNN, just two different. Before now and hated by half country so, every couple of years and I leave and and I really do some soul searching on okay. So if you had to do it all over again, could you see the result? What would you do run if I had the same knowledge exactly the same

I did my best, but if I had today's knowledge of a new now then what I know now I do differently. How'd you do differently. I would I would never point the finger I would never make declarative, broad statements on movements or people. Ah Kay elusive and frustrating is right. You would suffer. Eight more ideas, you disagree with with the people who hold them I would try everything I could to not talk about people but ideas. Right, that's really hard to do when you're talking about the news, but it's where we go wrong, so I I I say to people I've really reflected, and I thought, okay, I spent two years talking about this.

We're coming right on a lot of them right talking about what is happening, how this system works and it didn't make a dent. With anyone who is, except on my team. Ok, That's not a winning strategy, must not a persuasive straddle act, and the left is doing the same. The right is still doing it right. Watching it and I'm saying guys this doesn't work. We're locked down were totally locked out, homely locked down. So when I say this to me All they say You have to do and I see you don't have to do anything since you have to convince me, somebody that ten, I'm that presupposes. You can't do that, so That's it will say somebody on who agrees with us in politics in the rain and they say, look we, the people who say these things are left. They are evil people their wicked,

not just wrong. They want something America in I'm, going to stand up, and I'm going to say it. I've heard this many times. I've heard this many times in my answer to that is: okay. What's your objective Do you want women live in a one party state? You grateful not live in a one party state. Then you just told me your grateful. For the other party. Are you grateful that you live in a place where there can be a competition of ideas and we are grateful for the other side. The competition of ideas. Furthermore, what if could do anything. You want it and there were wicked people. You want to kick him out of Amerika. You wanna put him in jail. You wanna hurt them Obviously no I what you really want a bet. I bet you wanna persuade him about that, you really in your heart of hearts, don't hate them. You want them to think because you love your ideas so much and you think they're so good for America. Ok, we'll talk What persuasion, how many people have you persuaded this week this month this year, this decade, how many people you're stupid.

It is never persuaded anybody in the history of humanity and by the way, it's more really bereft because you love people with whom you disagree politically, so to say that people onto the site or stupid naval. You talk about your mom and, furthermore, your put up with some talk, show hosting that about your mom. Shame on you, fight for your mom solvents, impractical, it is immoral. Climate change must be persuasive further, for what I did didn't. I don't agree. I mean agreements for chops agreements for mediocre places, mediocre people unless you're really are in agreement, but if you're not don't give em, but if you can't action disagree with respect and love. Look we're not talking about terrorist kicking down your door. Can about Americans who disagree with you and may be strongly disagree with you, but this the freest was prosperous country in the EU.

Story of the world built by people who risk their lives running away from the Jack booted thug in the knock in the night, so that they could have- competition of ideas, shame on us, if we can pursue that counter? Don't you understand that these are the Jack booted thugs that are come there talking about? ending the free market there talking about getting into bed with people like Google and monitoring everybody in taking away our health care and our choices there could there they are really are talking now about killing children after right after they are born. You see. These are those guys. You know in the problem that we have. When I talk to people on the hard left, they can't tell the difference average trumped supporting the Nazi, the care and the region.

Because they're in their silos, and they have been hearing from their media figures and from the college professors, and I ve been hearing from there for the politicians and the shoe extreme wing of their party that there's no real difference between people who have strong views with which they disagree and an historically murderous tyrannical regimes around the world. And you know what is happening on the right to know is saying that any em now run of the mill Bernie Sanders. Supporters is note and supporters no different than a stolen s built man. We gotta get out a house more. We gotta remember that that is just an that's it. That's that's it. It's a huge distinction between Americans who disagree with us. We are very far away from these extremes. Now again, it's ok that do we Only disagree- it's ok to say on anything from the border to abortion, as they know, your I believe your ideas are completely wrong, but that's different than saying so. Therefore, your stalinist or a Nazi, because you foreclosed any possibility of making any progress, and you basically said I got no got basically

only two scenarios either I lose or you lose, and in America, We can't make progress when we have that Nana keen situation when we have that black and white situation just will work. That was another problem. I think would do differently. I dont know how low his I talked about the Nazis alot right, but I I wasn't calling people nazis grabs the pendulum because of so much chaos that has been created on the ground the next party. Will water. That two way it is However, in the end, grabs the pendulum cause of so much chaos that has been created on the ground by all this arguing the no let sanction this, and this is the perfect ecosystem for us to actually lose our radar woody to have a competition ideas in the first place, because somebody will say look, this is chaos and enter, and sooner sooner or later it will throw up their hands and say all right. All right,

this is a mass. We can't do anything we go. We know the democratic and charged nothing gets done than the Republicans or they take everything and make these wild promises and nothing gets done and goes back and forth and Nina item not unless assure that democracy thing anymore, thats a threat to democracy. That's interesting community talk about you! You wish you had when you're a fox Fox years that you had separated people from their ideas. More and- and I wish I'd done, the too I know same thing is like none of us is, is without blame. I know, and you I saw none of us. I don't mean just the people. I mean people who have never spoken on television or radio just in there all of us treating people contempt in Kano contempt is that your conviction of utter worthlessness of another person with anger is not problematic. Anger according to a specialist in marital reconciliation, angers uncorrelated with separation divorce. You know, thank God, I'm married to a Spaniard. So you know this looks in it, but it's it's

temporary. You take anger in you mix it with disgust. The becomes a toxic compound is kind of like you know, chlorine and bleed she put it together, get color a d occurring. Gas kills. You know. There's a guy named John Goblin degeneracy Washing in Seattle is the world's leading expert on bringing couples together is a hero and his irish laboratory. He can predict with ninety four percent accuracy. If a couple be divorced within three years. With one session and what is looking for his contempt he's looking for, these expressions that guy rolling sarcastic, jokes, derision dismissal of another person, that's how the that's how people are talking on eleven that some people are talking about the thanksgiving table around the thanksgiving table. That's ok Talk to family members, but it's not right! You don't answer the big problem. We want to declare war on this. We actually have to declare war on the communications habits that would have been cultivated within us so that we can listen. People really listen to what

but their Milly principles are and engage them at that level, and then then discreet. If you listen really, lesson not trying to win not trying to not listen while thing Ok, I gotta remember that cause. I have to say this. Just listen. Put your shield down, but I have found that boy both the right and the left, I'm not talk about the fringe. Crazies. The right and the left generally outside of washing are saying the same thing we're, prostrated with exactly the same thing and work told its them each side? No! No, it might be. You got my Washington, then is that we are all saying this isn't working cause we're not followed

certain principles and we ve lost the morning of those principles and our own self and our own. All that weak recognise when somebody with when the system has lost it. So it's not just then no, it's us. Yes, it is not its with Jordan Pearson super popular these days. He probably out of one you're very many, show yea. He phenomenal the reason, the Jordan Petersen assault in my view, is such a big phenomenon right now, but equally among young men is busy calls people to personal revolution is no point in my book is calling people a person evolution. Jordan Pearson basically says you know that evil out there, but the other guys guys you guys it's in your heart to you wanna take on. Even you want progress if you want things to be better, been them picture yourself, occur yourself and people like. Can I do it, I can do that, can do that possible from yes, no, no such as past the boy. You must do that you must be the master yourself. Take your happiness grab. Your happiness grew

the love which are entitled and the only way that you do. That is willing, the good of the other. Even a few disagree with the other and so on. The key you yeah! It's true. We have that represent a wall with leaders of Washington is true. They have not listened enough, but but you know what else people all over the country that have lost the frontier spirit, the entrepreneurial start up life that basically when things aren't right, I gotta do something about it. It's me it's at any price, go through the phrases like this. You see this role throughout stray every fifty years or so we go through a phase like this, for we have an economic circumstanced people who demobilized people who blame leaders, we get populism and the whole thing falls apart. We start again- and this is not the first time this has happened- So let's watch the end of the movie and say what is the personal revolutionary within? How can I grab my happiness? How can I show more love? How can it be more persuasive, happier more successful in my country, and we can start that's all.

Mama Glenn, I actually a more optimistic and I've been in a long long time. Ok, so how it starts with the revolution within asking ourselves. What am trying to do what is the outcome that I want to see? actually want people to be more bitter, angrier or hostile. Draw more hatred all more love now for most of us the question and answers itself, one more of I wanna experienced more love and I want other period people to experience for law, and I push back on this. Please do I have found, and what's amazing to me I have found so many die hard Christians who say the Jesus stuff wont work

I think, that's a Judas said everyday hidden. It worked. Then they worked for Lincoln, worked for Gandhi at work for Martin Luther king. What what what makes you say it won't work. People of faith have lost, their faith. That love is the most revolutionary now most of the people who are making that argument. One of two things happening. The first is there in a very short term time horizon. If you ve really got three weeks, then doubt the negative power tools yeah all day long, but plain along game, if you're playing for fun, years. Ten years the rest of my life, eternity they'll, say I know, but they'll say we don't have that Well, I guess I've got that, but I also recognise that you know the people who were most effective were the people who

we're playing along game in a model of the king. It was he was playing, look when he when he died. When he's assassinated, he was at thirty three percent popularity of his ideas today. Ninety five percent, he won. What are we trying to do? Are we trying to have satisfaction in the next four weeks or we to turn to save Amerika. What are we to try to convince people. Cuz tried to do it that VON offer one absolutely, He was hung in the woods alone killed. I mean look if you really want to know if you re, though, if you read the second letter of Saint Paul, the Corinthians, it's got a desperate language and you can tell Saint Paul is go on like this is work in. I don't know, and he sees frustrated knees, angry and cheek. He created christian theology at which Christianity, as we understand it, is a religion comes out of the way that Saint Paul tat we can. Speck to win in the time horizon that we are going to most enjoy

question is what are we trying to do? Do I want to have more love in the world? Do I want a better country? Do I want America to continue to be a gift to the world or not? Look you and talk many times about capitalism cap. Resume is a long game. The reason I came into the free enterprise movement is because poverty is a thing that I care about the most because I recognized it since one thousand nine hundred and seventy two billion of my brothers and sisters been pulled out of poverty by one thing, which is the American Free enterprise system spreading around the world. If I had gone through, it's a three x or four weeks for forests or even year to year. I would send a big government programmes and socialism they worked better they. Better as a de short term power tools, but I'm saying dude I want. I got two hundred and fifty your time horizon, because I want to Billy and fewer people who are earning their success. That is at gift to the world, you have to think in a long time frame if you want more love in the world, hating on the short term is, and can I get you there and if you're,

actually trying to practise the gospel of Jesus Christ. Then Short M hatred is not gonna. Get you to that goal either it just isn't it not compatible with what he taught he did get angry he turned over the tables of the money changers by the sea in time. He was working. What he wanted was to change the hearts of the other people. Why? Because he had loved for everybody, including his tormentors tonight, said Matthew. Five, forty four love your enemies, I didn't, kill your enemies, hate your enemies. He said lover enemies, do good to those who harm you, because that was the ultimate long term strategy. I can tell you that I have a hard time relating to Christ,

he's not pretty our figured. I haven't got a hard you can like love your enemies. Will you have a year Jesus? Nowhere closer to what I read, I read Paul. And I read just just reading lots Peter or or order S. Reading opening of of acts. The first two chapters, where he lays out you gotta, be together, have to be of one mind then you're gonna be influenced by all come together, but make sure you going be influenced and things you're gonna happen, but they're gonna, say horrible things. More miracles are gonna happen, but there see it they're going to deny it they're going to tear you down, but love em, but love. And you see Paul all the way through. He lays out he's he's more.

How could Jesus was just Jesus Pulse, more calculi did you know him he's waiting to be taken to the step? to be whipped any like hey, hang on just a second. I just want to talk to these people for a second, and it he's amazing, because he He has the same pattern over and over again really like when he's on Mars hell. You know I come here. He they got all these gods come here I think it's in the scriptures is at your to religious. I thought what that's not right in me, you're, too religious. He meant you guys, man, I've, I'm here. I see all these gods everywhere Guys are really super really by even found a God. I haven't found a Temple dedicated to the odd, with no name right and he used. He is eat. These talks read it even in your poetry. He knows them

he's found a way to love them. He admires what they ve done. Then he finds the door of the unknown God and says by the way I know that one is here and they it's in the air it why? But why? Because he made moral common cause with them, but that lenders also listening to us. We can we like tagline, Arthur. You know those guys. Are there really lucky guys got a really good platform easy for those guys, the stand, there and say: love your enemies, re easy, but you know when regrettably practical self interested argument that I make into because something that I know is that you'll never persuade anybody, It does not agree with you if you turn, if you try, we would hate, you will be more stressed out more frustrated and more lonely. If you do that, So all the other people and you're getting a country that, if you like the ninety three percent of the rest of us, we don't like the way the country has gone. So this is a view

free self interested argumentative turn it around. If, if when people treat you with contempt, which they're going to go social media going to, are you going to go on twitter? Twenty seconds from now, we posted a picture of Gwen and Arthur doing a podcast right we're going to get rained on with contempt. We have a choice but how we interact. Now you can be almost like racked like if you, if you stimulated up a slug with a bit of luck, an electrode interact right, you can react that can t you can react in contempt with contempt for you, choose your action because you, the master of yourself and choose to react with kindness and respect people who were wash that interaction, they're, USA ha say I think I know which which person and that exchange. I like better that. How persuasion works Mass, especially with social media. Now, where we could make it group statement by being individuals and her heart out. I mean it's like if your walk, yeah you're, invited to this ball

hardy whatever and you walk into a giant ballroom, There are seventy people over a one side and there just yellin and screaming at each other. Taken both. I urge all sides, just awful There are five people on the other side and they're laughing and there they are. Can be go. These guys are raising and laughing about how crazy they are in Eric all getting along, I guarantee you you walk in. That room. You do not go to the seventy people, you go to the fire and you at least observe, what's happening in that safe area and yet sulphur. Maybe I'll write you go to the seven Tracy and if we were just fire, you right eventually those seventy that those numbers would dwindled down because they re they kill each other.

Some people would just go. I'm tired of this message: Crommyon alike it one way or another. This isn't like on an annual that's what a lot of people are, starting to figure out about social media. There started figure, That does not mean that they don't enjoy it. It's not fund there, not persuading anybody and were starting to actually see that bleed. So, let's create a movement like the people watch so I've made a public commitment on the say, five, nice and loving things for every criticism I put out on Twitter. That's my five to one rule by the wet and make that John Gottman, the guy talked about before the marriage counselor. He makes us couples to a five to one thing, so they can't criticise each other until they said five loving things to make some righted no book. So I have made a commitment to doing that. I made a commitment of I wrote. A book called love your enemies, so fine, a jerk boy, my we're gonna, hear about in vast right when you write a book on the best seller list and there is no other enemies will you know. You know that of ten years from now, I'm acting like a jerk a moment here, but why? Because I want that call me out, because I haven't been right in the past.

Instantly, I want to be better. I wanna be a force for good in the interesting thing about. This is not just about means of public figure. Glenn back in the public figure does not every single person watching us. Who is a leader the best, which is frankly kind of a centre right philosophy, pro capital of philosophy. So let's do them on the basis of love, as opposed to trying to pretend that we're gonna brow beat the whole country into exits. Little tiny bit of dopamine for a little bit of this Neuro transmitters like smoking, a cigarette or Do I want to be the guy that people are watching in saying ha, that's actually the kind of person I won. Be it may. The kind of person would want my kids to be. You know when we do that by the way we call us around a philosophy that Americans liked best, which is frankly kind of centre, right philosophy, pro capitalist philosophy. Let's do that on the basis of love, as opposed to trying to pretend that we're gonna brow beat the whole country into exits now:

the street directly to somebody left right, doesn't matter that their frayed fraid, they see what's on the horizon, and I want to talk about tech in a minute, but they see what's on the horizon, they feel insignificant. They feel left by the ideal you ever side, they feel like they no longer matter and the one thing that they can do to matter: to pick a sigh and be part of a team, because your even more ostracised when you won't take a team when you won't- and I don't mean pick a team- I mean when you won't slam. Everybody's going after you write that point right, and so I hear this. People all the time they ll say I

saving. I'm glad you say something because I can't see anything. I'd lose my job and- and I think all the time you know that's a very big stability for me do look of Heaven. You interpret You got something to thing: it's not like you you stayed in one job. For your whole, I liked you ve disagreements with employers and why? Because Glenn back lives a startup life and that's it answer to this whole conundrum, where people are afraid right, wheel a climate of fear. We have a culture of fear, the bigger than what I love drives out- fear Saint John, the apostle. Why? Because the fear is the ultimate negative emotion: it's the opposite, while people think hate is the opposite of love is not fear, is the opposite of love it when you feel fear, that's crowding out love, So what do you need to do? If you have more lonely life? Take on the fear? Look at you, you can. Hunted fear in your life. I did too, we all do we have to confront had on, but when we have a culture where our leaders on the right and left are telling

have to be afraid of the other side went to look at it in its endemic, cross our culture in on looking at a lotta data these days, but people twenties their third likely to be in love than we were aware that age their life, like they dont gate. They like. I asked my jacket, I want my sons, a junior college. This truth like no one days there, Well, what do you do? They? They dont have relationships in the end, and the reason for this is because there's a culture of fear of personal rejection. That's a non entrepreneurial culture so and people are afraid, they're, afraid of being rejected. There be framing of being ostracised because of politics, you got a stand up. You gotta live a startup life. You got to say this is what I believe I reject fear. I will live with love. There is no other way and if that that's the insurer revolution within when into love your enemies, as the the ultimate subversive tactic is the ultimate toughness. It's this it's fun.

I know a lot of this book by the Dalai Lama because I've been working with the Dalai Lama for seven years, the weirdest patients should be using the present american enterprises. The two with his holiness the Dalai Lama, the Tibetan Buddhist Steer, the most realistic, respectable, is familiar in the world and people Rick sort of associated with the political left. But what he is is he's a man fully alive because he is, he has stood up. Ultimately, to fear this all the time when we talk about how how ultimately you you you're responsible for living, your one life and when you do that, then ultimate satisfaction. Look at you into don't like a twitter, we the up on your phone, it's no big deal and if you were two, if you really willing to take a big bite out of life, then stay, up and say I refuse to hate. I refuse to hate people just because they disagree with me. I refuse to be afraid

I refuse to have people in my own political party telling me that I'm one step away from a jack booted thug couldn't believe it. I don't actually believe it. I think that is still the great country, I still believe it different doesn't mean I'm gonna get everything I. Why reading it bunch of laws that area taxes can be all screwed up, and you know abortion laws and every and be what I like, or they are not going to be for a long time but but but for PETE's sake this. Is not nazi Germany? It's not. You know we're not about to have a knock in the night in this country. Do we have to stop being afraid and we have to stop and turn living our lives of people who are not afraid? That's that's! What Jordan Peterson right now is so popular because Jordan, Peter he's telling critically. Young men take control, be the master, stop being afraid, recognise what you have within you good and bad. Then you maybe you can actually start dumb Being as why we just post way you spend a weekend with Tony Robins couple weeks ago, say message to your coach via the same message, same message: justa,

Who are you? Who are you who decide who you are so what's blocking you? You yeah, hey get I'll, go, that's exactly wait. A minute said. Tony Robins has an incredible ministry what tony roms is unable to do. I mean finding that the giant within two minutes is like easily, actually literally giant. No, it's amazing that use that word cosy. He he is so deeply spiritual most of he talks about it, we just all use different languages. You know I mean, but all the same truth man was all too familiar with and when we what we are doing in public life, when we talk about public pulsing politics to hurt this country is, telling people that their victims to tell, although they should be up and that it should be met, the master, their master should be their grievance than they, the band together to fight somebody's opposed to being able to stand up on their own telly Robins when you only know when you see him and he's talking to me

who feel they ve been oppressed and I ve been held down his throat if your chains, man, I know, I'm sorry because you can the ultimate freeing experience of that sort. Americans need to do to we're not victims for the ultimate non victim country, like the banks and the Brooks is came to this entry as ambitious riffraff under way, from some we're still ambitious riffraff, at least I hope it will. I family still just railleries, also on so riffraff it's time to unite. That's the Wayne of love your enemies, the ultimate active versus riffraff, is the state set against that the outrage industrial complex and say I refuse to hate, because I refuse to live in fear. That's the ultimate message and it's a how to guide on how to get a chance to clear my system is scottish yeah. He was with others, Broil Marines and some elite mono kill you with a bake in a spoon deal.

Murderous Macgyver he had. He was that we were talking about curse words cause you know you british television and they can use the sea word like there, it's running out of it and it's a whole jarring two Erika and- and I said what your deal with thy hand. He said it doesn't mean, that doesn't mean the same thing over there. You know it's it's it's estates, it carries a different connotation over here. He said. I learned that right fast. Monsieur said, but you guys have a word that I can not get used to possess. He said you guys will collars you call each other. Are you bastard? He said you don't say that over their note to sell right you're, but it makes sense, means nothing here, but there, where its ball hierarchy, it's all. Who are you related to what family did you down from here world?

bastards for all the riff rap we're all we made it there It means something that right and any no, it's four for us to remember it's funny. You now Glenn, when I want to talk to Americans and ask what other families That was brag about how poor their ancestors were lets it. Like a point, there's no country in the world, except maybe Israel, where that it's all stop playing a pride that your family came from. Nuthin indulge himself up but that is to and in that time, in an american life. That's so inspirational where this really became a thing was after the civil war. After this time, an incredible polarization states and in the we had to come together and it did spontaneously around the self improvement movement. Where are they going to the Baptist and a Methodist in the tent revivals in the abolitionist who who, before I got rid of slavery, and then we were talking about temperance and in others,

Andrew Carnegie, building, English speaking, libraries and Dale Carnegie, no relation in more of was writing had of wind friends and influence people. This was the civic religion of what of Riffraff being his or her own ceo. There was no grievance. There was no immigration. Is time for Americans to get that back. I just performed at a Carnegie Theatre, in Pittsburgh, and it was a joint to a library and I'm sitting as I read a lot, I'm sure you do too. I have a pretty big library, but a big most people cause. Nobody reads anymore, but not an it's, not some wealthy. You know crazy library, full of books and my libraries, probably bigger than that original library. Ok, and he said I have to build this. He built the

libraries, all over all over the country, Englishmen levers, although two thousand five hundred and nine of them crazy, you're, crazy, crazy and- and we don't know this and in what he said about why he built them, do do you remember- those every man, so every man can lift himself up yet he said enough, everyone will use the lantern There is a ladder to pull yourself out and it is it's all in kings library, so that you wanted these libraries to be fit. For a king. So if you have the desire to pull yourself out. You had the capable. The data, the shoe shine boy, has equal opportunity with the son of a wealthy man, yes that- and that is the American Spirit now. Is it always gonna be true? Is it always can be perfect or the pathways to earn success, always going to be perfect course not. We want how to be an inn. In point of fact, they've been blocked too much over the pot in the past. Two decades have been too hard to do. That is not been enough. Income mobility both going up and also

frankly coming down in others? Just not dismiss this. Do you know people create moats around their castles and we have to fight against that all the time, but to basically throw in the towel and say in the end a ban have populous. Tell us, you know somebody get your stuff and I'm gonna get it back, whether its, whether it's a foreigner or a banker or a capitalist or an immigrant. It's not right To say that somebody's got your stuff, and I want to get it back in the reason that things are not right in your life is entirely because somebody else's culpability, that's an anti american sentiment net. Look I get it. Things are hard things at heart. In my life, at times, things are hard and people once more. Listen to us, and there is this is about this, but I tell you one thing that will never get the job done is planing about it and banned together and saying that some other side, the disagrees with us is inherently stupid naval all we're gonna get. After that is a cold civil war. A cold civil war is a country that weak and I lots of oars and a country that vulnerable

who wish us ill and we can't afford that kill myself. From I've, never been able answer free mark. It is fantastic free market. Not what we had not crony capitalism, crony capitalism, gay and that's really part of the question right. I look at two examples. Let me start with Rockefeller. It when Rockefeller was building Rockefeller Centre out of you ever noticed, really look, I'm I'm very in to art and end the architecture of a rock

and I used to drive for radio city musicale reduce rice to his work and its. All designed for real Everything has arenas, almost a temple to man right guy some private up. I know So one day, tat building. It is an old eighteen, hundreds building and another one on the other side of thirty rock, that's part, of thirty rock. Now, that's this all eighteen, hundreds building, and of all these blocks of these perfect art, deco there's two buildings: that's and alone and they don't match. So I looked up what how one what happened here? What is it so? He bought blocks and blocks and blocks looks like twelve blocks. Scape bought everybody out. There were two owner. They wouldn't sell out why

was a guy was greedy. He offered him, I think a million dollars during the depression sell it. He thought Rockefeller was gonna, keep going up, so he said no and rock fellers was a millionaire said screw him. The other guy was a guy, who owned in irish bar. It was his family's irish bar since the eighteen hundreds He knew that prohibition was gonna end, and he said this is going to be my family's far again, I'm not selling, I don't care what the prices, Sir could Feller said build around Kay wouldn't happen. Now those guys would have eminent domain, they would have lost those atlases immediately. Somewhere along the line. Miracle loses its De Tocqueville that at some point. People get powerful enough in rich enough that they kick the door behind them. Right guy

Only when in this I can't believe I'm saying this in the nineteen thirty, but only when things like eminent domain sorry man, that's his property. He can do whatever he wants with it when there strong enough we're. Ok, but when you have people like Google, when you have apple here, these joy can't corporations with all this money and they spend all of that money in Washington to write laws, they're closing the opportunity, kicking the door behind them. So I don't want to ever in a place where I that I would say well, there's only so much money you can make all there's only so much this union may go. We ve got a break these people up, how do you stop these? not everybody liked. Discarding is a good example of. How do you see

people who are the vat wealthy from dictating the terms for everybody else to the problem when a capitalism forget. Particular companies are probably crony. Capitalism is that there really really rich guys have a power right, never been power not just to add to their own wealth, but to protect themselves from startups to protect them. Cells from new companies. That's usually what happened right so the way that we need to descend into two to turn gin generate better policy to engineer. Policies in this country is too block vat We don't need a break up any companies, we don't to prohibit any size that they can buy? Another company knelt no block the fact that they can actually generate regulations.

Iccat? They have perfect capability with their vast armies of lawyers and accountants, and specialists and consultants to cope with, but in a little guys can't do that problem, namely women over regulated economy and huge companies like and overregulated economy, because it hurt them they can afford it's. A barrier becomes a barrier to entry effectively, so we need fewer barriers to entry in an economy, that's more capitalistic and that an inquiry We will take care of itself. You know it doesn't that require a public that is educated enough to know we don't have anybody that really understands high tech, maybe five people in the Congress. Maybe five people right. We are we are on the verge of something entirely different and when I talk to people in Congress, they'll say I'll tell him about

It's on the horizon and the next two years and it'll be completely new too that a complete end. It will be like well, we ve got a pass. A lot like you, don't understand it's moving so fast by the time you get your head out your butt totally different again. So there's no way to keep up with it. There he then go and look like hefty did hey you're the big for automakers. What would be fair? How can make this right for everybody and they d, above all these rules, because the guys in war Clinton dont know just go to the experts and they close all the doors for every now and that solves the problem is when there's more regulation start to get suspicious when there's a regulation, but a proposed by business, get twice a suspicious. That's what we need to do in he, a beautiful things by capitalism. Is you don't have to know everything? You only have to know your thing and one

things that we need to do is term is to take barriers away from people and productive activity is the same thing: GLONASS barriers away from people to doing what they need to do in their own lives. In order that the big problem that we and the states of of happiness is, it is faith, family, friends and work. So we don't need the government actually create regulations. Pro religion. Bureaucracy is, on the other end of the worst thing ever approach. You know that the department of families or something- and we don't really don't- need to know the friends bureaucracy what we need is to take away the disincentives for people to do those things. That means is getting out of the way of things and the government is in the way of a family community and work there. The government is in the way of productive activity and in the way of entrepreneurship, all the time you a letter, the president needs to do that. They will say that, for instance, it's not scalable, for instance Facebook. You know this once you have a company over a hundred and fifty employees changes

it just challenges. We have found that he heard we as individuals were we bill to have three. It may be really good friends. Okay, I M in our life right. We are not cable, of having you know a thousand followers and a thousand friends on Facebook, its be it doesn't work? I have actually add for us right doesn't work at scale, so that's the problem that they'll say cause it's coming now. The internet has been great We haven't really regulated the internet until recently. It's it's been a wild west and look what it's done. But now you're starting to have problems Now? Who do I trust? I would I do so now? There's to come in and the argument we be it out control bore allowed to do just anything just so

anything and I say yeah you have to choose to get over it or you, to choose not to participate in a right, which is exactly what correct Talking about here is protecting ourselves by opting out then lotta gives opting out of that part of the economy. In the same way that I opt out of cigarettes, I opt out of alcohol. I opt out of pornography because those things are bad for me. And so what we need to do is individuals, like all progress, made institutional solutions, fine right. I'm glad that there are some institutional solutions, but all progress comes from the heart of the individual. Yes, there is no other way. You know when we in- and indeed what we're talking about that. I trust with very large tech firms, for example. These are sophisticated power, wants to be sure but went to the east that we are victimized by the internet. This is because we're abusing the product into some basically say what you know: we need a plan man. I just can't stay off twitter, so I need more regulation of twitter.

You have to it's very simple and very simple be the master of yourself. It's like there's too, hatred, my life. So what am I gonna? Do I'm gonna make hatred illegal, no, stop hating, start loving you know that this is a key that whenever we get into a very bad place in United States, whether it's in the civil war or what today we must follow it with a self improvement revolution there. Is no other way. That's how work is in anybody's, watching us want to save America start by acting in a different way. Personally, that's why Comes from that's for the social movement starts. We need a million social movements that will come together. You know that the politicians out rage, industrial complex that are joining up. This hatred is not think of her awful people is because their followers and their demand signals are coming from us, is a parade going down the street, and I get again for the parade and needs a leader and democratic LE societies there are no true leaders there. Only followers who looked like leaders, so each one of us,

be the true leader and in each one of us who wants to make it better to say basically, I'm not part or that parade man condemn Sally and then, if enough start doing it. I wanted done one b that seventy people yelling at the other side. Ballroom I want to be defined. Laughing over here and now, that's when foreign wind, when the politicians in the media and abandon the academics and all the people who are part of the original, throw complex legal, huh. Ok, I guess this direction, we're gonna. Do you know any leaders like this do know anybody whose I know a lot of people who want to do ass, everybody. I talk to look it's the weirdest thing. I'm writing. If I had written a book, I would be in a mega best seller in a revolving, as are stupid or liberals are evil by written a book in a megabyte seller. I know said he was a calculator risk, as for the last two years, praying in writing and thinking about how to write a book called love your enemies itself. Prove my personal revolution book for me for the one thing this whenever you know maybe Sultan lobbies, I don't know

and and and the weirdest thing is, this book has been out for a couple of weeks now and sold tens of thousands of copies a week, MRS selling, their Lenny book of ever read of ever written red ever something that I really selling better than but his eyes telling. You heard it right here, selling better than any book of ever written and what that means is it doesn't mean that this is the best book ever written. Not listening. Colors is eight cases. There is a demand. There is a desire for this and if we grab it I mean, then, then Nepal did a lot of policies in the union, love that we really like then they'll be set free to and it's time for us to set our leaders free, gloomy, changed tack. Yeah, you think a lot of attack a lot and you like TAT, I love to be sure of the animal. I will make sure that our audience understands Madeleine DEC.

Guy thinks that tat. Our economy is interesting and is promising and is optimistic and it's fun. It gives me it it's like going to go This is a kind of that kind of cultural man, because you know conservatism like now. It's all bad. It's all terrible intervals, Toby AIDS. You know what it is. The constitution and the declaration you take the declaration out, but the constitution is justice System and it's going to be. Mayst unmoral sentiments the internet, good bad, it's bound based on moral sentiments, right, say. Thing with tech, it's going to be the worst or the bass, but it's all. Can be up to us right guy. Here we refer common mirror e, it's going to be an amplification right. I got it the idea that the application like a giant hint like, I said,

I ain't mirror out in the sun, it'll vaporize things if we're back debt and the internet, the ultimate karma. Ok, so I look attack and I see the on limited potential ahead of us I also see nineteen eighty four will look like child splay you we are already doing it in China or headed that direction. I see. I see a world of no disease? I see a world where we can pursue the things that we want to pursue freedom like we ve, never the! What time I could ever say the founders. Ever envisioned. This would be one on the horizon, with tech all good ways, although some

Bad Moussa say. Then there is the darker side of prison that it could build, but I think the first, one and I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. The first trouble that will come is uneven. And we have a. We have a disconnect from Washington in Silicon Valley and the american people. Washington is saying gonna, get the unemployment rate of zero right, and that's good well The people who are building the next economy or saying we're gonna get unemployment to one hundred percent commitment, work anymore, Rashid Disconnect and the amounts in people who are not involved in this, and really don't see that the industrial level it took a hundred years is gonna happen in the next ten years and when that happens, the poorer Asher is gonna come down the path.

Kitchens are gonna. Do one of two things that we know and I do this I'll bring those jobs back, no they're, not know or not when the when they see to say that, and they really realise those jobs, our common ban, if Silicon Valley here at. They have were really only one thing to do, and that is the team up with Silicon Valley. Otherwise we're gonna go a torture, and kill those those evil scientists that are making all these spooky machines in autumn in and No one is talking about things. I don't agree with. This is what I want an answer on. I do not agree with the basic universal income ripe. However,. In a time where we would have thirty percent according to being capital, thirty percent permanent unemployment by twenty thirty you gotta have somethin

in that transition, because you got a lot of people like me that weight quitters, no longer cool and What is this snapchat thing? They just do not adapt real fast. They won't be able to shift and will cause all kind Means of strife How do we solve the up? He that ten year upheaval as a bridge answered mean. The obvious answer: is we don't know are we not now? Where were we happen and we're gonna get through it right right. The question is how much pain and what the pain look like, and how can we want anyway rash hold before Kate total CHAOS, and A big reason why some people are pushing for a unilateral is a you, be I by unlimited disk income? Ok, so to begin with, I,

actually. I don't agree entirely with the premise that we're gonna get to this thirty percent unemployment. Why? Because what tricks What happens is that when there's a technological revolution and to all the technology means is that we use inputs differently than inputs are simple as labour there's land as capital and there's entrepreneurship as the only inputs into any production process in the whole economy and a way to do things worked together differently. That's a change in technology be a machine, or am I being in a new way of thinking or you know, somethin re mighty college. You know whatever happens today. Ok, so when there's a technological revolution that changes the way that we do things generally speaking, it doesn't destroy jobs, it changes jobs. Every job was twenty two were twenty five or forty thanks. I mean Glenn vexed job is like seven hundred thousand things right, because you run this big company, but most people jobs,

literally like twenty five things that they know how to do that require expertise. What technology does as it is, is it did it? It pulls all of those twenty five things apart and put them in a box and then mixes, and everybody else is twenty five things shakes the box and takes out handfuls of twenty five new things and houses amount and those of the new jobs there. Isn't it people do better. Does their true up in the new bundles of twenty five. That's that it is not because we have become overtaken by events and we become obsolete. We base. We only know how to do eight of the twenty two things in our jobs, and so that's it we need to do. Is we need to disintermediation those and learn how to train people in different parts of what the new collection of jobs happened? To be? That's not just vote tech. That's not just. Rare and technical education or or Oreo Technical School Vocational school ass. Now we're talking about where training people in new individual tasks and that's a much smaller job. That's much easier job and saying you used to be

a driver and others driverless trucks, and so now I can you heard about a fixed air conditioning systems when you're, sixty or not gonna happen man, but that's not actually have the job is gonna change. The jobs a change in many different ways, so you're gonna have to learn how to do this with a computer slightly differently. While you can t into this as part of your old job and that's how we need to be king about it. That's the best is the lid of the best research that I've seen says it. That's the challenge and that's a lesson daunting challenge if a child. It is a challenge and I think part of that challenges getting people to realise that nothing.

We'll be the same tomorrow and being comfortable with that and nobody's ever going to be really comfortable with it. But if we had a more entrepreneurial culture, we could be much more comfortable than we currently us and we didn't have leaders on both parties that were telling people to be afraid of the future and afraid of each other. Yes, it would be a lot better, we shouldn't be afraid of each other and we shouldn't be afraid the future, because this is America and were a straw. Countries has dealt with a lot worse k when you said that, as you know, only five things that happen uniform for jobs. Ok, what were the five again it was. The five, it happened for you for it, for of a market to we're. Ok, so you have. The inputs are inputs and their labour labour capital day, stop right capital, yes right, labour, but robotics next one more end, what their destinies substitution of capital for labour,

a change of the relationship of labour and capital, because you're still gonna need people that is doing different things in relation to capital. Malone need as many yeah. Well, you need it you'll. Actually in a word way, you know it anything in the industrial revolution, everybody thought that that cat, let capitals can a substitute for labour and labor was going to be just like overtaken by events and ever do anything and it We need a more labour and then we need more people more people doing more stuff, because the whole economy get that was the miracle of capitalism is not a zero sum. Bigger and bigger and bigger pie, but we have to make sure People have expertise such that they can work with their expanded capital and away they can't currently do it You see what I mean right. I think I do yeah. I think I do problem is you read, demon hunted world by Carl Sagan, he talked about. There was a time when all this will be latin to the average person. And so they just be going to the high priest of tack and going make this work

Burke I mean we are, learning, we are not expanding, we are and we are a. We are becoming calcified ass. The threat seed death threat, see if we were actually expanding our knowledge, our expanding our confidence, and we were less fearful than we could actually have expanding human capital, education skills, jobs that would match with the change physical capital, which is the machines in the software that are coming into our world, such that that labour, could be appropriate to it and up to the task. Of way more people working in Iraq now, in their seven and a half billion people alive, only a hundred billion people have ever lived and died before the current inhumanity that we Santer and in all those people that are they're alive today that there the workforce are so much bigger than they used to be, and yet everything's automated. But

compared to what it was two hundred years ago, you- and that's because when, when you're more productive of more productive capacity, you have more capital, you actually need more labour and everybody gets richer and more stuff gets on. If, if you're not calcified, if you're actually willing to learn and change and that's the main task of our leadership today, look we have as the eu- and I am both railed against education systems that are appropriate for nineteen fifties better to teach in the same stuff that you and I learned the nineteen, seventeen school kids, nineteen, seventy three, not exactly, but but for all intents and purposes, that's actually that rigid and end of any choice and and is in order that the way that the structure, its kind like education systems, a lot for the benefit of the of the educate, supposed to the students in the future. The country I mean, that's it. That's that's the problem. We know the Syrian and unless we can modernize that than we can improve the human capital, and we can provide capital. There were stuck in this token future you described. Do you believe

in Asia and S. I now have come in These things are common. I do believe this you're coming it's funny, I was talking to a guy. I was and my my hometown from Seattle- and I was back there for speed some speeches. I was given a major grow up in Seattle, Queen freely quitting. The Queen Anne Elliot, born in ever written, lived in Matlock terrorists then move to Mount Vernon, that's crazy, may is maybe why, for we can act, his enemy. Why we connect with our heart bs, there's something different in the business. It's gone, not now. Here's something different anyway, so you this guy and we were driving. It was night in any, was driving me up. One south pass the old Sears building. This is now the Starbucks going in are near wearing your Boeing feel nothing over there because I saw I said: let's go get on the I five. Let's go up the freeway. Instead

I want to see if I can see from the freeway into the night, the old? the hangar, where their building seven eighty seven cause such abuse for playing, and so we are doing talking about it turns out, he's really ended innovation, tack and said I should I just read an article closet gimme. Your oppression of this is that it was a very, very pious religious, muslim guy, giving imprint between us, I'm just rhetorical. Since you're willing to attack, in forty years, you'll be old and download your mind. Baby and then this is basically from combination of Asia and ass. I, what do you think about Patty it doesn't I said: why? Not so could you cant download the soul and that's how people see it and said this is the key difference? There is theirs. The frontiers of technology vast. We don't know, where they go humans are fundamentally different, that in any event, is with you more. I,

I totally agree with you that myself right, but the way it's gonna be perceived and here's way you know who Stephen hawking is sourced. Ok, so talk to him several times, and this is one of the main things. It scares the hell that a me what Stephen hawking I'll, not Stephen, hawking, em I'll shoot Cons Richard Dawkins, no he's he's a high tech guy. Silicon Valley started. The university of Portugal No, I can't remember now. Oh my gosh, I wrote the age of spiritual machines, oh yeah, he was a guy who is at Microsoft? What is it he s, rakers? Why ok, so regularly era for so Ray, is leading this and and

I think it a kind of a creepy way eyes. You know he's looking for the singularity, I think he's trying to recreate his dad quite honestly, which is a whole mother. Subject, he's basically that that wasn't behind this whole concept of downloading them. I reckon he says: it'll happen by twenty thirty, ok, but he's these the mind just as or the person just as CO, a a map How you think that materialist. Eventually, the mind exists inside the brain, yeah yeah he's yeah he's differ but you won't. You mean only that he does the sole prick reasonable. The soldier, incorrect, correct, so I've had some I've had some interesting extra. I saw respect him and I leave em that he can accomplish, but things that he talks about, but he also there's a hell out. Why? Because he'd do he looks? humanity differently than I do. He believes he believes will come

to a time when you ve, a cancer, will just download you into a computer. Will that's got me ray. That's that that's a car We of me that some, I saw a believe in a soul, so you know, but there's tincture without indifference to him, if he ever hang on and for you? Ok, but hang on her way. You pass the turing test when you get a look at how people already will treat. Basic a I right. Now you have p we'll just with SIRI. You are people like me or like shut up SIRI shook the actual. Syria may show little malware, some irrigated, you know, and you dont my you know it's a machine. There are others who, like don't don't, don't talk to send their serious that very low level, You talk to a research psychology, US sexual psychologists, and she said I heard her on a podcast and say you know we should get we

get a high and we can put them into a body and maybe a body of a robot of a child and give them to pedophiles to see if they can take out their aggression on those because it'll be a life, the experience, and so they know they can get it out there and not on real children and I'm thinking to myself That sounds not to the minute that that machine claims to be conscious. Does it Will it will not be human, but it will be convincing enough to a human You will start to have compassion for it. Gay don't want to be enslaving, something that claims to be alive b. You and I know it's not alive, but when it becomes convincing enough to be alive, then what happens show Please I'm not worried about it. People anthropomorphized their pets

people a tribute human characteristics to animals all the time, and yet we got to the point where we give equal human rights to animals. Are some people want to, but how can a work? It's never gonna get to the point where we say it is and we take were. We can grow animal protein in a laboratory such that we don't have to factory farm animals to we decided animals, not the most ethical thing to do, but we still not saying that a chicken is basically a person what we. Doesn't have it. We don't relate to a chicken we its they're, not in sold. In the same way, we. Don't believe- they're in soldiers- people people naturally not anybody not not mean of the lot atheists and a lot materialists in a lot of veto. Philosophers throughout history, but most of us believe that we, and sold as people and there's something different about the human soul than in any other being living or pseudo living. I can't wait. I got it. I can't wait twenty years

We both have to be alive and we got into this again Ray I'm not going to decide whether or not the robot is more like a person or more like a dog. And that you it's going to be more like a majority of people because it become, so lifelike will be very persuasive. I think it's duenna things can be more like my dog to show why I think because that, because we can, we can distinguish, you know the fact that it isn't a person. You know that in no way, so you know how Pixar when they any many animation company, they they take the features and they make the eye he's right beg or they change them. So you know it's not human rights because of something called the uncanny valley and- You like something that looks human and then all of a sudden it gets close enough to wear It knows dives and people like. I don't like that, and now I don't like it. I dont, like that's creeping, my right, so

We're still knows diving, but I think- and this is a big if they think they can really nail it. He'll come right back, that's it! That's an empirical question. It really isn't. It is a question we don't know the answer to, but I I you know I again: this is is informed while my christian faith, there are missing. The instalment is inherently known, unless I mean they're gonna, be cases in which would become confused. The cases in which we confuse ourselves on person, because in on purpose, because we're too clever by half I don't care even say it's male and female anymore and well. We can because most people still do. I think I think, people do and where afraid to say that people are afraid, but I think that in the end particular we're talking about what is the essence of humanity that were now I'm going to cross the line because we can't because the soul is still the sole, because a guy

who said you can't dont download your mind. Is it can't download the soul in the He recognized me he inherently located in thinking about this. Presented him with this new system clutch you started with. He is aid. A plea? use. Religious Muslim is deeply highest. Pious Muslim So you started with the premise that he's come from a soul obey striving to view the world is going way? You know there's a reconnect to that. I think that we need to do so. Therefore, you have just to find that what we need to do What we don't need to do is to try to put you know, but had the brakes on technology cuz, it's not going to happen. It's an exercise in futility right, it's fits what we need to do if we really, if what? If what in the world that I think is going to be in you want to be, even though you're not sure it's going to be is where we can tell where we can distinguish the ensoulment of a being versus that which is a simulacrum for humanity.

I do have to pretend- I Of course, no, what a similar forum is, but they're, probably some people in the audience that dont know something something that stimulate something else and it looks like it isn't, took out a similar croquet. So it's so that the super life, like you know, I'm down here well known armoured, professor. I have no idea every fifth word. I much. I have no idea: hey man, you're irrigated, merely acronyms Asia, Uneasy S, I'm like an economist, so we the one way or the other whether or not I am right or your fears come to pass or whether or not my confidence is more appropriate one, where the other worlds gloomy better. What a way to frame that! Did you hear that your fears in my Cobb,

I covered in your country, you told them. I know my limited the robots to follow in one way or the other. Don't like the idea where people can't distinguish yeah and where people are no longer fully human, because humanity is now as no manufactured. If we don't want that, then we have to actually fight it and the only way that we can fight it is by by remembering the one thing that the Roma can never have. We should divinity the robot and have divinity and if we believe the divinity actually exists, we have to make sure that people continue to understand that, and that means we need a revolution of faith. We need a revolution of soul. We had arrived, mission of the heart, but nothing else. Gonna do it. You attack is not going to take care of us if we ve

Christians and Jews and Muslims and Hindus, and actually believe that these things are true than they need a revenge illustration. We need a new and lighten at an end. The good news is that traditionally throughout american history, these enlightenment. These these times of great religious fervor. They come along with self improvement movements of the term. This moment was fundamentally religious and it had to do with evangelical Christianity coming across the United States. Who do you know that big burst of activity of the the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints church during the self improvement movement. It is part and parcel of the self environment moment, and so you can't disentangle, you can't dud and to take part self improvement from religious fervor. Us not try to do but what we need, then, is we need religious entrepreneurs that a reminding people of the divinity that is within each one of us. That is our ultimate defence, so I hope Centigrade. Let me take you, then quickly do too,

faith. I was talking to Billy, Graham and I said Where were you when he is he? This headed our sour gonna navigate this and he the net great awakening. It's not gonna happen with one got, there's not gonna be abruptly gram. Its and be individuals. All of the individuals just rising up in doing it themselves. She did not mean this, but I I do I agree with that and I think the church, unless the church, I say that as a whole body wakes up to reality, but you know what People are really feeling what people are really struggling with. What they're really, if rate of and I got. I got more out of you know a couple of hours with tony Robins nets, deep roots deep.

Then you get in a lotta churches and someone churches are violating their own principles my own church from a Catholic and its wits in crisis and just increasing our. I think we all people are in southern. At that terrible report, the talked about sexual abuse and you know, we're not living up to our own standards for sure and people are, but we know that the biggest rise religious activity. Another category is nuns. Anyone else and oh and ass, the non affiliated people, that's a huge crisis, just musical walking away people just like board. Its inactivity is just its torpid it seems that kind of thing were it's funny. I was in on and Christmas day was Barcelona, which is where I go a lot and I watched from Barcelona and I went to Christmas Mass, Barcelona, there were like twelve people in church Christmas mass. It's a former living in Spain in Spain. Spain is a formerly catholic country.

He's torture. You feel workers gambados alighting on time ago. Yes I'll, give you that so, but but either way. I am twenty years ago, all winter the same church and had my son, my oldest son, was baptized toilet years go in that same church, it was non Christmas mass, it will fall and emptied out and ass. What that's the real threat that we face and that's you know what we need is a revolution of interest and of each person actually finding the fire within Well. How do we do that? You know it's interesting because when you look back at that Poland, at the end of the week at the end of the cold war, when the nine days in Poland, when J P too, when John Paul, the second he went there and here the communists and at the head of the head to let him come and there's no nothing they could do, but it could keep their return to keep control and a third of

country saw him in person during those nine days, I'm usually mobbed every place and in finally in Warsaw in the central square that, on the last day when in unison, a million people started to chant, we want God that wasn't J p to that is the heart of each in unison? Saying I demand divinity? I demand and to be fully life. I demand to be a human. What does the altar dehumanizing system, communism, communism, is what turns into the robots it makes us the homo economic us. You know, where nothing more than an economic unit right and makes us into that. This Toby in fear, is that we have about tack about being able to distinguish between the people in the machines and end the machines ruin substituting for the people that your car we need some, as a kind of is a little by little the demonstration project for that right. How did? How is that beaten? That was beaten through two things? Were Ronald Reagan

showed the rest of the world. He said you know what you want. You want to be free, you wanna, throughout your chains and John Paul. The second said- and you want God, because you have the divine within you and those two things they brought down the iron curtain. Ok, so maybe the iron curtain is going to be the silicon curtain, maybe that's Gonna be dark about. Well, maybe this Toby in future is one where there are these, alternatives, but still only going to be one future wishes, finding the divine within and finding the liberty of what it means to be fully alive and to be living. My own life, because I'm a true individual, I'm not a cog in the machine- I am some Who is it who has incorporated soul? You an end, we actually as those of where leaders who believe these things. If we're to do one thing, it's that we have propagate this and we have to teach people. This is true and with the ship oh people, how to live that and then I'll free. This has been a blast

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