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stands today: journalism is changing and it will never be the same. Thank God that's a good thing, except what is it going to change too? We don't know at the moment the mainstream media is toppling and a whole new cast of people is replacing the old guard. Today's guest is proof. The first rose to attention in two thousand eleven when he live stream. The Occupy Wall Street Protests, unlike the high budget, heavily choreographed reporters in front of the whole film crews. He wandered around the inside the protests using the new medium. He gave us a view of the inner workings of a chaotic political movement. The reporting earned him a spot on the time one hundred list and won him a short award for best journalist in social media he's traveled all over the world for various stories. In twenty seventeen, he accepted the challenge made by Paul Joseph Watson, who offered to pay travel costs for any journalist willing to investigate the claim that there were muslim, dominated no go zones in Sweden like many of the people who are dismantling mainstream media, he's kind of a black sheep. He has friends and millions of followers six million per month on you, two to be exact, he's written for the guardian and Reuters the New York Times and be seen even Al Jizerou English. He was the founding member of Vice news and in twenty fifteen he became the director of media innovation at the tv network, fusion, where he has been tasked with reporting new technology as live streaming, aerial drones, mobile software and hardware, even Google glass. He has been attacked by the people on both the left and the right, which usually means that what you're saying is important, something that people don't want to hear something we all need to know. This is my conversation with TIM Pool, beanie and all

hm You bet you bet. How would you describe yourself? I no idea roguelike, heterodox anti authoritarian. What the hell is a heterodox like against the orthodoxy I mean, so I don't contrarians. That's not true! You know all turn left contrarian positions, but I think most part. It's just I've often reflect myself like I don't even know what I am. I did the school? Maybe that's why you know I dropped outta high school within the first couple of months did Bri Bri. The home schooling thing and then just stopped didn't get didn't get a GD didn't go to college. So did you just educate yourself, yeah yeah, but I owe it to my mom. I guess she she was at home schooling me in it siblings, before we even started preschool, so that head start, so you had them.

Is your not a you know when you think of an anarchist now you just think of somebody. Well dressed black who's, you know just marching in the street and and usually just now school was unfortunate. It's not an anarchist, I mean some of them actually I've. Actually, I have met some. I was in San Bernardino. I met an actual anarchist with Antifa, who denounced the violence Now might then, why would you march with these guys he's like a real anarchist, is peaceful yeah and it's about co op. Rayshon and things like that, whether you rum market market, you know, forces or your cooperative forces, like anarchists, do not hate each other people to get their way and that's the essence and the antithesis of anarchy. You know what you are against the orthodoxy, your question, the Ortho Sexy, not necessarily against it, just question it if you find it to be true.

Right right right. Exactly that's why I think contrarians by the wrong way, to put it so when I was younger. I I anarchist skateboarder very far left and I what Take me away from all this was violence like these I was a teenager and I saw these kids picking fights for no reason they want to fight the jocks like. Why would you start a fight with somebody they yell at people, and I was like keep me away from that man. That is not freedom and liberty and anarchy. That is violence, and that is authority, and that's you imposing your will on others and so I found myself more of this kind of, like more of a Bernie Sanders type, is when I was younger hey. We should have more, you know bigger government. We should have free college. We all these things, these things it's the orthodoxy, but but this is, I was like seventeen or eighteen, okay, and then I had is really this really profound moment. So I I I would. I was catholic from kindergarten until the end of fifth grade and then six grade we transferred to public school. So

I went to catholic School, we were my family were great parishioners. We donated we fundraise, we are the top selling, you know and my it's simply. We were DIS, respected as it were, and four family economic reasons. We decided to move to public school so from there I immediately became this very atheist. Map These conservative pro life. You know these people are idiots they're all insane, and I had that very typical and then some happened. I I was and part of my whole life and I met the skateboarder guy who was prominent in Chicago and so uh. That wo, like how cool I get. This guy is like way older and he's really good at skating, and he said: hey man me and my friends were going to jam at my place. You want to come with, and now I'm all like yeah like how cool is this hang out, the full kids right then apartment in his room. Is that a picture of Jesus on the wall? And I was like A picture of Jesus on the wall, for you, like Christian or something think I'm all like tough punk rock, and he goes no

like with no, then why do you have this on the wall? uh I saw was cool, is a story about a guy who travels around helping people and that, like a snack- and I was like- maybe I'm misunderstanding people by assuming- I know what they think and feel this guy was christian. He just school story right like it is he's a cool guy. He was like really nice to people and I'm like that. That is a good story is right, and so that was like a big wake up for me as a young person, and I did my research need to do that right. So I I'm still. I would call myself an atheist, but that was a moment for me where I realized I better. I start listening to people as I had all these assumptions about what this meant in whose people were and that that change come what year. Man I was like I was eighteen, you know so fifteen years ago and then from then on. I was more willing to like listen. So that's that's the funny story. I mentioned off podcast. I used to work for Greenpeace very briefly and then

worked for and another at some other environment on profits. But I remember green peace sent us out in Chicago to go canvas someone guys on the street corner waving to people like hey. You will help the environment. Now it's been a long time. It's been like thirteen years getting some of the it's. It's a bit apocryphal this point by. I I've I've I've. Vaguely recall them being for cap and trade right government intervention, and I remember when I was canvassing the book the books are next to me with your book. I think it's inconvenient inconvenient trucks, yeah yeah and give me a book at, and so I remember like opening up in like reading through it and was very like the free, okay solutions to or something- and I was like guys get snow. No, he was talking about I'm twenty amps. I know and I go back and start telling people I this. I thought it was funny that you know Now here I am here. You are yeah e v s. The problem, I think it just real quickly on that is that The.

That's the attitude of too many people, no matter what side they're on is, I just know better. I don't even need to read that where, on our this important, you know if you really, you know nobody has any credibility with me. If your, if gasping asking for government solutions but you're, not a vegan, and you don't agree with nuclear energy, I have a friend and I made them cry because they're far left anarchist. Real anarchists, though not violent, Johnson MILES, but very very you know so we're in a conversation, and I say basically my issue with the policies. You propose that you don't care about any outside of your community, proposing which is benefit you and she no. No. I want to make the world a better place and I'm you're using a MAC book right now. Look under I'm I'm not saying you can't have it, but do you recognize that people

Foxconn labs were walking off the building because the editions are so horrifying right, you've got to say no to the Macbook right. You can use a computer, but you have what Fox stuff and- and I said- listen- you're, not making the world a better place by giving your resources to a company that has people committing suicide and what they did they put in that's up to catch the bodies. That was the response and I'd like that conversation led to her crying when I said it, the fact that you're willing to support these horrifying circumstances, but here's the thing. I recognize that personally and it's just we have to solve that problem, but I do try to avoid you know you don't use apple products. I hate apps yeah hi, my Dell to Laurie products, I'm I'm pretty sure. Foxconn still does SAM Sung stuff too. So it's you want to or not. You have yet to recognize that Americans are Wellfleet wealthy, privileged and their people in the world around the world. Who don't have an as to what you going to do about it. That was one of my funny highlights. I thought of the Occupy Wall Street Movement,

They were, they were taking down Steve jobs. They were taking down, that's not true the ones I the ones I saw on video we're taking them down, and but they were using the products, but actually it's worse than that when Steve jobs died, it was during occupy, they put up shrine form, there was a Steve and I'm just like. How is that possible? Ac luck. It's not like ever occupy was marching in lockstep area, but people there that that guy was it Ruthless businessman is really bad. He's p capitalism, he it. The dirty kind of cat right right right, right apple is capitalism. When it's done right, I think, is a charity almost if you you know the v, no moral sentiments. You know that well of nations is just how it works, but moral sentiments shows, but the invisible hands going to give. If you,

if you are a society that wants to do good and you're a capitalist who wants to help people right, how I help them have an easier life. I'm going to invent this great we'll, have some disagreements on capitalism for show, but I yeah I do agree. I think you know the core of capitalism is the right to private property and to free for the individual simple Tana sense and it wouldn't socialism. Communism will never work. So where do we disagree? in more towards government elation problem, I'm assuming I don't know. Actually I I just made the assumption based on the global warming for, market, solutions and stuff I think, left unchecked, like lots. Faire capitalism, you end up with you know, ends put their resources towards which occurred up what what will trigger their dopamine, and so we have to have. I I I think a mixed economy makes a lot of sense.

I think the us technically leans a little more towards the right in terms of how much taxes go towards government spending. I probably over to the left on a lot of you know, which is I'm rather centrist. I just think you know How much money do we allocate towards securing things like baldness and is it I get it? I know you have a right to do it, but expect bonuses and the big concern is just kind of a funny thing to poke it, but I look at toxic waste dead zones in the ocean, and things like that and I have think there can be market solutions to environmental problems, but I think you know look done check to humans are gonna, make virtual reality games where they can just trying to be crude, but you know pleasure themselves. No, I coming it yes, absolutely coming, and No pun intended, and I what are you going to do about? What do you know? and I this is the ethical conundrum that exist within me, because the media is the best example of

realism going wrong. Hang that way these companies are in danger, so they they to the bottom of the barrel, which is outraged, content and ideology, and you know what they're buying and you know but their next reach out, for is the government protection. We have to have government protection because we are a valuable asset. We need bailouts. We need all of that and there's already advocacy for government funding correct. I mean that was the program where they were funding journalism. I don't wanna get get into. If I don't know the facts, but I'll I'll leave that but yeah. I think that my big prism of government, which probably share is it's capitalism is effective in that bad systems die, can make it work and on problem with communist command economy systems is that they just mandate the expenditure and take the resources from someone else by force, and if your sis, failing those matter, you're draining the system writing. So I recently made this critique about Bernie Sanders. His campaign

can't pay his own staff fifteen dollars an hour right. So what you do he cuts hours to get the equivalent? Well, here's the problem. His staff said thirty. Six K year wasn't enough to buy food did, anyway, I'll give you more money. Now he said. Okay, then don't work. Saturdays. So, do the same amount of work you have to try in short time work harder and we're still not going to pay you more and that some of you go to pay, some people are quitting, but so he's not going to increase their wages. He's just he's just saying you better get your work done on time and it's really funny to come from Bernie. But the reason I think it's a really good example of how socialism doesn't work is that Bernie doesn't have the input to make the output work The only thing you can do is cut hours, welcome to business Bernie, you know his ideology, DIS doesn't function, and he will he condemn that very act in others, while doing it himself yeah. So you know I was a big fan of Bernie and twenty and two thousand and fifteen sixteen, but not Party

Lee for his more far left approaches to like free college. I think it's a terrible idea, but was more so about for one. He opposed the free trade agreements he's for secure borders and he has a even more than a flip flop or I use for secure board, oh yeah, in twenty in two thousand and fifteen, he said open borders is a Coke brothers proposal. We can't have that and in fact a few months ago, Bernie Sanders said he was asked to be for open borders. He said my God, no there's too many People in this world Bernie said that well and that's why I don't like him today because I think is a hypocrite when he goes on stage and says we're going to give health care to undocumented immigrants and everyone and then you've got clean, caster, saying decriminalize border crossings tacit open borders, but it's worse than that, these, advocating for permanent underclass at Timmy freaks me out you're saying enough people who aren't citizens who you won't deport them. What

gonna. Do we're going to work under the table, they're going to government benefits, but I imagine it's a very ivory tower elite position to welcome that, and it's not surprising that you can't can't have a welfare state. An open right right. You have to pick one, you want a welfare state or do you open borders, but once you open up and say, hey free food for everybody where do you think everybody in the world who has cancer? and we happen to be the best at curing cancer. What do you think they're going so you? So you know it might. Might my conundrum in all this is for one love the and I'm very much an environmentalist like I said I work for Greenpeace, you get ok. You're Cortez on the scene and she proposes his green new deal loans. You first did. I was like I'm down here. It sounds great and then what does she propose Free free college, Free Healthcare, guaranteed jobs, income like no no hold on hold on you're killing the environmental argument here

So what do you know what I? What I have to say to a lot of my less liberal friends. You know more conservative types is if it look if you've got people. Don't believe climate change is man made ah you're, coming them and saying they're, stupid or wrong you're, not arguing anything. Yes, if you we need a massive overhaul to save the planet and you we refuse to accept anything from conservatives, you're not making an argument. Perhaps the argument is: what can we both achieve? Even if we disagree, is there perhaps a market now a tax incentive program for certain technologies that can bolster business, make the United States competitive internationally and help you increase environmental awareness and protect the environment? Can we agree on like that, you don't make this. So where do we? So? Where do we? Where do go and let me give you you know, I'm a demon on global I'm the worst guy ever accept, except my

farm. My ranch are one hundred percent green. I have. Insulation of over the top new insulation that sure that you can, you can live in my house at twenty below zero or one hundred degrees, and it's going to stay without any real air conditioning in without any fire place? I mean one fireplace three thousand square feet and I can keep it. Ten below zero outside. I can keep it at sixty five with one fire on private jets. Will I was I I'm not saying I'm an environmentalist guy, I'm just saying I care about the environment. I you care about things that I can do, there's some things that I'm I'm not to change my ways on, but I can afford the expensive stuff for my house and bye bye, a putting those in my house I'm helping making them cheaper for other people

do believe that man is probably in, but there's no way, man can't be doing all that we're doing and it's not affecting it somehow or another mega ray. I also think you can look at the thermometer and you know. Is it going or down it's hard to track it beyond one thousand nine hundred, because thing was so bad and I think some of it is screwing now, but we're getting better at tracking. It predict sing it. I have no idea the climate is always in flux and always changing, but I'm willing to do the things that I think we should do. But I don't agree with the solutions to, but I don't agree with. You is not a solution. I know that the act that most of its not a solution right right, right, exhaustive it is about crippling the west or keeping

the rising economies in poverty, which I think is absolutely immoral. I don't disagree. The first one I don't think there's an intention among like any people in power to we want. We want to hurt America AOC well she's, yeah right she's. This far left socialist type. Who has this I mean? Look. At that green new deal was talking about like racial equity, I'm like what does that have to do with the environment is none of it and- and I I'm I'm deeply offended by that- you know not like My friends matters the greater picture, but no, I am I mean I want greener pastures and bluer skies and all this beauty and everything I'm sure most people do, but when she comes out. All she did was make the environmental movement look ridiculous and it and it and then you get environmentalists just backing her for no reason, but you know what I've I've talked prominent progressives, and if I support the green new deal- and I say it not hers and ask me: why ask him, did you read it and they say no,

that's and there we are so they're they're under the assumption. The green new deal is going to be this like government investment into solar power and I'm like no, it was like it free college in free healthcare which had nothing to do with the environment. In fact, if you, if open borders if art, but let's, let's, let's clarify open borders, thinks I know the the is going to jump and say: oh they're, lying there. Misconstruing short, if you don't criminalize illegal border crossings and then provide government benefits to people to come here. Your incentivizing, the behavior and the sorry produces too much carbon right. So last thing we need is more people coming here and increasing on harbor prison right now, but they're not vaccinated, so you've got all these arguments that doesn't seem to make sense. I think you know, ultimately the way I reach out to people who more conservative on the issue is look the Gov offers you a tax incentive. If you buy an electric car good, can we can we do more things like that, but aren't aren't the changes and

I'll give you government regulation has encouraged changes but have the changes in the combustion engine now, a brand new combustion engine is actually better for the environment than an electric car. Is it I'm not yeah. It is that's I I can't quoted from right now and will look it up operator, yeah operator option that that's true. You know it's close, but it's still getting better and that's just innovation and I think, there's I go back to. The case for moral sentiments, which is you know, Adam Smith, is he wrote to the you know: wealth of nations. The first book is moral sentiments and it says if you a part of a society that has moral sentiments, good moral sentiments that can

I'm from just everybody is just in love and everybody somehow or another has just become Gandhi in Christ all put together or sure. There is some system that has taught them proud to be moral. That is really important because and will direct what they build and what they want. I agree we are asking and needing more and more more regulation and more laws because we screwing this up, we're not moral decent people of I can't say for the most part, but we're losing that I think we're increasingly becoming. We agree less on what is more on what isn't right, Yes, and no, I think we're. I think just becoming morally lazy. I I look at this way you go back to the 50s. Was most people are christian,

and so very common, very common values, and it's really easy to trust someone when you know you very, very similar base values. Well, things are changing now I I wouldn't go to Portland. I wouldn't either, but it's not because Christianity, it's because it's because we don't agree on Thou, shall not steal, thou shalt kill take now just make it Bob safety tips. The big ten give me seven of the ten. We doesn't matter who said them anymore, it they just don't. Then we don't agree. They believe it is moral to lie. Yes, say they, as in the whatever this more vocal and dominating facts on the left. Is you know the FIFA types they're aggressive whatever you a column, they believe by any means necessary, even if it means it's hurting innocent people. They don't care, and so we don't agree on what is moral now I certain going agree with them, and I think that's why

you know there's kind of like this weird alignment between centrists, former liberals and conservatives. Today we still agree, you know at least we have space rules, but this group doesn't have it they that's a majority. I need, I don't think the majority of the left all these view, but I do think the majority the left is bowing to it, ignoring it backing away. I mean you know. I had a conversation with a boomer who is a lifelong democrat. Who told me. I'm scared by what's happening with immigration. Democrats aren't doing anything about it and I can't say any because I'll be destroyed. So do you think that plays into what well. My friends who voted for Bernie felt cheated by the Democrats and the They don't care anymore they're, just like I'm done it's pointless and

other people who are paying attention that I know that feel scared. If they speak up. They'll be called a Nazi right. They don't so What are they going to do? Nothing? they will they vote independent, probably so I'm talking about an anecdotal group is right. Right, yeah. I know it's my personal sphere and my family life long Democrats and right now, they're all gone. What the hell is going on. You know we're. Just I don't see it. I have no problem. Speaking up, of course they called right wing, even though you're not I'm a lot of a lot of issues, probably around where Obama was yeah and that's well, that's right wing today to these people, look at the debt rats the twenty twenty Democrats. I mean we had an article from New York Times saying the governors are worried because the twenty candidates are going so far left promising care to undocumented immigrants is mind. Blowing to me. Obama pro most universal health care at the end of his first term, couldn't get it done yet. We've done

over that now. We're like well just give health care to everybody and he promised he promised it would go, there don't go there. We will never do that. You have you, have and see below sea saying in two thousand and eight, and I believe this is a pretty accurate quote. The last thing we need are more undocumented citizens. Well, the first well they're, not citizens, if their undocumented. But how did you get from there to here? but I think it is twitter. I really think twit all these journalists have become addicted to it and so they're all writing the same things, and there are listening to these extremist activists. But you know it is the combination of are the twenty 10S when Huffington Post Buzzfeed and these other blog started pop up there or exploiting human sentiment on Facebook for shares. Outraged, rates the most traffic effect as we know this to be true, so you think what's going to work in terms of selling content

Orange man, bad right, that's why we're seeing the Trump bump, because scare people shocked them, make them angry yeah. There's a website that I could begin this run on yeah. I wanna try to clarify that, but we got a lot of gray's own stuff here. Well I I mean I say I that could be wrong specifically to avoid one lawsuits and also just it's been years. I've gone over the data, but there was a website dedicated to nothing but police brutality on Facebook that cracked, like the top one thousand websites in the world, because people on Facebook would see this police brutality, video and click share and was money money money. So they would nuts with it, and you know you you see this. You see sites like that. You saw the problem of there's a lot of fake news on the right as well, because they were exploiting outrage with fake news and then What was left is VOX Buzzfeed, Huffington Post. These websites that still trying to maintain this fringe identitarian ideology for rage for clicks and that's where right now and so what happens? Is

millennials who for the past ten years have been inundated nonstop with stories about privilege and versity and police brutality, and now they live in this crazy world of nonsense where there it's a delusional state. If you ask me, actually give you a real example of of how this happened, so create an algorithm that algorithm shows content based on certain criteria. Engagement outraged narrates engagement, so Buzz he'd staff actually give you a real example. Mike com there was expose a where I believe Tablet magazine did an expose. A talking to former employees who said we have a formula x. Does i2 acts like basically this is we and it will get shares humans trying to cater to the algorithm, which is imperfect, sent People into this weird world of chaos, but but that's hard to parse through, but this this next story isn't Youtube created an algorithm.

Parents will give their tablet to a baby and press play on a video, and then you automatically plays videos that are similar the first videos that people were given to their kids, where it was a song called finger family and over nursery rhyme like finger. Food play finger family, and so you These cartoons of someone singing very high, eat very normal, very wholesome people in India. Seeing an opportunity to generate traffic because is views. Videos were going watch for thirty minutes. 'cause the babies can't press buttons, so they started making really low quality versions. I started getting twisted and deranged. They wrote programs to create the videos for them. They saw out keywords in the algorithm that were hot and were more likely be recommended and all sudden babies were sitting in front of tablets where they would watch the incredible hulk dance with Adolf Hitler. While this pp muffled voice was singing this very out of tune song and the

this didn't know, their babies were watching. It could automatic so Youtube fix this problem right, but that story it gives you a better view of what humid like the uh. These are getting into not realizing it when you, video of Hitler dancing with the incredible hulk, while some indian guy sings into a ninety you're like this is insane. It was like it's and there were different versions of like a spider man else doing it. We parting is really weird videos of spider, man and Elsa, giving each other injections for it 'cause. It was yep and this to the point where you actually had a video in Russia where a father held his daughter down and gave her an injection on camera, and it got millions of views, because the algorithm did no. What was actually good content. It only knew like it gets a lot. Watch time right to now think about What we can visibly see as insanity all content, where babies are watching. It was like an acid trip now

you have to realize the stuff that's being fed on Facebook by Buzzfeed Box, very, very similar derangement, but it's masked yeah adults, can't see that they're being fed this nightmare reality, and now here we are with the Democrats, promising healthcare to people who aren't citizens which we can't afford, which makes no sense of what it was. What that end, our man, civil war chaos. I mean. Look I worried about these babies who an inundated with this nightmarish content. That's my yeah! It's the most impressionable years of their life they're, going to grow up with weird things in their heads people, these millennials, who were teenagers late teenager start getting inundated with this fringe outrage. Content are now living in this nightmare realm that can't be broken out of because they spent you forty. End of their life in this world that isn't real so so so

before we go to the future, help me here. She talking to a senator just a couple of days ago and very intelligent, very well read institutional guy, and We were talking about Google and Youtube and Facebook and everything else, and he said. He said I'm really torn. He said because I don't want to regulate them out of business. He because I believe in the free market he said, but then again we have to have some safeguards, so this kind of stuff doesn't happen, and I said well, but they are so fast and things can change so rapidly and it's only gonna get worse with machine learning, it'll just just an overnight, and I said I really believe this election could be deeply affected.

I just algorithms that they're designing now yeah other the creepy line project by the Harvard professor that is Doc Man just the way they change the recommended videos or by the way, Google stacks. The news when you go in and search for something can swing independence. Eighty percent in the other direction, sight out of mind. If the only you hear is from one side. So you know I said, for it's, it's meant to be a little hyperbolic, but I think if something isn't done, there won't be Republicans. There today will cease to exist by by when I I mean I'm being hyperbolic area within the next couple elections. Example, Donald Trump is the President, a lot directions model say: he'll win two thousand and twenty. I think it's a fair point but said he breaks the rules. Is that a lot of in the plaza but his or her to do twitter said we're going to put a notice on his tweet if they break the rules,

but they're really saying is a line in the sand as of today, no one who ever the president will be allowed to use this platform. Well, if you use Twitter, which is one of the dominant, you know spaces for public discourse, then we will never see the rise of someone like Donald Trump ever again. Well, that's the Google stated goal. Facebook said same thing internally, the Good SAM Lettuce, yeah. We can't let this kind of stuff happen again. You know they're there. They believe that they are right and yeah as offense as progressives. Usually do they believe they are the right ones. They have more information, and so I'm going to just take progressive steps to get you dummies to go along that two ways of looking at progressivism that way. Okay, if it is good and we all agree- is authoritarian progressivism. Yes, and I disagree with that and that's where they are that's where they are

Is it there's a re? The problem? In my opinion, that is going to happen before we even it up to speed to wear these companies, and I am for the free market, but companies are getting double dealt by the government they're getting platform status and forgetting publishing status. So they get all the complicated right into, but they've got. Put you can't beat protected on all fronts, and then she to say you know what I want to do good in the world, and so I believe this is good at so I'm going to steer people this way. We we're talking about companies that- will not have. No one will have the protection of the constitution, because the constitution applies to the government not to private companies. The tyranny is being outsourced. Yes, I find the nightmarish. So it's fun

you know. You get these woke activists. Thus the bill like here comes ten to the defense of conservatives and I'm like first of all, I'm at home. First, they came for yeah right I'm. I I looked to the conservatives in this country. As doing conservatives always do heard the arguments. I disagree with a lot of them, but hey we're all Americans and the point is we find that compromise? problem. Now is nothing to do with conservatives. It's a handful of billionaires running on account corporations with government protection where's. The left I mean I grew up with liberal site corporation bad and I'm white. I agree hi. I grew up making fun of things like blade runner going. Please I work for the corporation shot out. All the he's been there and for the last ten years I find myself with a growing number of conservatives, all saying uh something's really wrong here, something's really wrong, and no, you know what really, What really annoys me is I've had a lot of conversations with in app

and conservatives I'll call them saying regulation. Necessarily. You know it has to but something has to happen. Yes, and there are so many conservatives that say no, no, no, we should let them do what they want. I'm like okay, great you'll, be banned. First, I mean on our opinions on exist anymore right. You know, here's the thing I noticed I was talking to this guy, who is a far left activist. You don't use a centrist socialist. Not like socialism is at the centre, quite literally on the political compass. Socialism is as far Just can possibly you can go and the fair is as far right as you can possibly go, and I'm talking with the compass not like american cultural standards, anything in the middle- and so you realize at and you look at someone like you know, Jack Dorsey or Sunday Pichai and they think they're in the middle. When, therefore left, then they go. The Democrats are far right and communists are far left and socialists. You know social dump, social Democrats, you know our democratic socialists are here in the middle. We should we should and everyone to the right of Democrat

that's literally what they're doing and I got to say you know it's really scaring me too. It's going to be a little bit, I guess, but I was walking on the check on the Joe Rogan Podcast, with Jack, Dorsey and right away. I said your rules are biased against conservatives and the look, his face. He didn't realize it is at what rule you She genuinely believed his rules work. Then I said first of all, the misgendering policy, like I understand why you want to protect Trans community. They have very high suicide rates and I can agree with you know. I can respect that sentiment to realize more than half this country, like substantial majority of this country. Even liberals do not agree with a lot what's happening in this argument, like like Trans gender women competing against biological limit right, I'm like life. The Democrats are concerned about that when you, when you say you're, going to ban every conservative because hold this view or bent or they have to bend the knee and never expressed that view, you've got a rule basis is based

threatening them at any moment. The sword is Damocles over your head. You can be kicked off the platform now. What do we see in a trans woman is file his father human rights complaint against a brazilian waxing salon, as the Trans woman has male parts and demanding the female make contact the law? It is this this this this. Waxer shutter business, just gone insane. We really we we are. We are denying reality yeah at the same time we're denying an individual right to say I don't want to participate in that. I don't care if you do it, but I don't know want to participate. This right here is like it came to the Baker in Colorado weather. You should make a custom cake for a gay wedding. I've. It's been like it's just a cake. You don't have to like opinion was if you're accepting

public infrastructure taxpaying citizen who helped contribute to the pipes to the sidewalks to pop to your safety and fire department, then just make the cake for them right, but I gotta admit making a cake is simple: you might disagree with it, but waxing a males. Privates is like state enforced right right. So that's what it suppose it doesn't matter. I mean you know it is so sacred. Well, my father was a cake decorator. I grew up in a bakery in his he that was his art right and you're, going to force people their art and You know you can define that in many many ways. What I do to some degree is, is it art form? You know you're doing television, your whatever it's an art form you, you can't old people and forced people to do the things that are against what they fee will truly feel. But this is

been so crazy for me because even in the past few months I made videos where I said: listen. You know that gay well they're paying taxes, okay, you're, reaping the benefits of the of their income in our community home, to turn them away, because you don't wanna, write some words on a cake but right, but the that the who then becomes actually I've got. Another really great point on this were get. How to this would be a waxing thing in Canada and it's stressing my view on the ethics of whether a business would have to do anything. But I yeah. I thought about something similar in that. It's really easy to hold a principle when you don't challenge the line for Insta you're familiar with Blackstone's formulation. It is that ten guilty person- disco yeah yeah, yes for our yeah, so I thought like that, and I said ok, would you free ten shoplifters? It meant one innocent person accused of shoplifting would go free and people would say, of course, would you would you free ten child rapists? If it may,

one innocent person would go free and then all of a sudden start questioning Blackstone's formulation, because that's ten people did nightmarish crime, and so you know it's easy to hold a principle when your perspective is shoplifting, but you have to it has to remain in place, no matter no matter how bad the crime right and otherwise this is well. This is the ethical moral conundrum for me, 'cause, I'm like am I going to be the person to tell that woman? She has to touch that man. No, at that line is hard, that's hard. We we we have, but we have to respect that people have different viewpoints, different lifestyles, different everything, but there is the, if you don't protect the individual right to be themselves and the individual right to say, I'm disagree with that. What what do you have?

you have you have mom and dad called into the room. Every time brother and sister are having an argument, and then they have to decide right and they sometimes don't make the right decision. You know I mean If you have two will say guys: Buckeyes York, have to work it out you to get along 'cause, we're all living in the same house. You know it's really. Interesting, though, is. Cake argument is, as I understand it is, is often miss understood by liberals. The last I liberals, 'cause, let's be really left, is not what the people the left thank the issue was he said, get out of my store when reality said you have any cake you want you're not going to get me to draw correct one. It wasn't About that is it's a first amendment argument. I can be compelled to speak. That's twitter's argument for back and whoever they want. Twitter's argument is that speech is coming from twitter and we can't forced to permit it's first amendment argument, but then they are not a platform,

and should not have platform protections, but outside of this right yeah. The idea is, why should obey be forced to speak on behalf of the gay couple, but twitter not be forced to speak on behalf of the citizen. It's arbitrary lines right? It's it's! It's and you know I it's funny that there are a lot of people who engage in like political commentary debate. They think you have to have an answer to everything, approach, everything as a debate where one it either is or isn't, and I'm like look, I can just flat out say honestly. I don't know that line. Is it's a hard hard ethical? You know the pro choice pro life from is one of the of the hardest ethical issues. I've ever had to even try and figure out, but we but we can go to the platform publisher thing to move on from this. The hang on. Let me let me stop abortion. Yeah. The problem is the problem with this is I am pro life, but the thing that I

have the hardest time doing is at conception at two weeks. If it's rape it's incest! I don't want to be the dad that has to go to my daughter, who's just been raped, and so you got to carry that child right. However, for need to be consistent. That's what I have to say: but I don't like it and I I think, there's a lot of people that are there there like look. I don't want to get involved in somebody else's life. I do know all the facts, and so they, it will be mushy there, but we're not we're not having that conversation now we're having the conversation of kill it at any time. For any reason, even after the born, I mean is right. Right so will will jump into this topic. I've grown up. Democrat Democrat fan pro choice, except we were always like there's a limit at a certain point. We can't

and so safe safe ray. Error and what was the other way it was like available, or some league legal, safe and rare rare yeah. Now I remember seeing the segment on. I think our Michelle Wolf or something I can't member name was that the comedian she had Netflix and she was yelling abortions for everyone. You had Lena Dunham say that she wished she had an abortion and from I was kind of like what what's happening. I saw I a person in Seattle and a activist and she was giving a speech in Seattle, and she said you know my first. Abortion was in Seattle and it was my best abortion you go to a doctor of you go to a vet and the vet says who put dog down. That was my first. I was my fur

euthanizing, and that was a bad one. You go to everybody, you know it's eight, this person as deep this is. This is a really good that that men are so many issues to talk about how the mainstream media supported left is losing their minds. Polls show most Americans believe on a limitation at certain points. You know it's like after the first trimester or something I don't know the the way I've always viewed it is. I grew up with very you know, my my dad was always kind of conservative. My mom was pretty much a hippie and or Democrat pro choice and all that- and it was you know my dad saying something like look- your never be happy about an abortion. With a woman and something you know you have to be responsible and there are certain circumstances where we a grudgingly accept we need the uh. Do you have an abortion that was the going up? It was like it was really bad and if you had to do had to- and it was something to be upset about today- it's a joke people, people wearing shirts- that are saying, like you know, going to go, get an abortion or something, but most of

don't feel that way. So here I am as somebody who is always been moderate, we're getting to the my family, saying yeah right for me: I'm pro choice on libertarian rounds, it's very very complicated ethical position. I am one percent within every inch of my body, oppose the death penalty. It makes it really hard when it comes to pro life. I life begins at conception. I don't, I don't see any way. You can argue against that its it is life exists, but I also I think, there's a challenge in having the government mandate that one person share their body with another person. Not while recognizing sure you can have irresponsible young kids who got themselves in that problem, but you can't have victims of assault or now being by the government and don't know whether should be involved in the moral, ethical and health related decisions of an individual at a governmental level I want I want the cops to go with guns and forced this person. Do that thing, and so I can really do is say within me the

If they can do, is lean towards the more freedom, even though I, or stand there two lives at stake. I can't compel someone to provide their body to someone else. I just don't know I don't know the answer: answer's, I can do. I would. I would, I see your reasoning if it stops at rape or incest. Well, no, not even that not even that, because I don't blame the baby for that I don't play. No, no. I know that right, but you're saying I can't the government can't compel you to have well okay, but governments not compelling you. Those are your consequences. You know I stand on the railroad track. Well, it's like you. Gonna get mowed over by a train, eventually one of the challenges with, later term abortion is severe deformity or in viability, and so it's hard for me to believe the government has the ability to know a one size fits all solution and here's the bigger ethical conundrum.

The date at least I've looked up shows that majority of abortions are for no reason at all, and so it's like how do you that I don't believe, there's like a good like compromise to this problem at all. I don't know if there's a solution at all, as you either have there. If you're too king about rape, incest, horrible deformities, you can at least make a case to all reasonable people right to say no abortions. You can make the case to a moral person, but then it break the part when you start to add in the human element of hay, but don't know everything that's going on, but abortion anytime. For any reason, I don't see the argument now. Here's the problem, though,. When it comes to the Argus of rape and incest, how does the government determined.

It was or wasn't right is someone lying to get it or I problem is the baby isn't responsible Exactly is, this is a tough, tough problem. It is in and- and you know I I think- but that's what that the struggle to get to an answer is just as important as the answer as long as we're struggling to get to the answer, but I don't think we are. I think we just abandoned all good faith. Well, whatever this left, leftism, there's not even like here, we are, in a conversation trying to figure out the ethics of what is right and what is wrong right, like normal human beings and the left, is Klay sang at any point for any reason right and I'm like wait, wait hold on you, you are in the other room, we're not you know. Conversation was on, you know for me. It comes down to like you, have a victim of rape, incest and do you have to then have them present evidence? They go through some ordeal deal or is it like between you and your doctor? I just leaned towards libertarian. I guess- and I do

I think, I'm right or wrong. I just I actually think I'm wrong in a lot of ways on it, but I don't know what to do. You know I mean so it's a it's a think. That's where most people are on a lot of big issues right and they just do what they want is an end to this no nightmare of calling people names for know. You look at identity. Since you've been using. That word a lot and yeah the Mediterranean of the of Europe is, wildly misunderstood in in my yeah yeah? There are those who are not see nationalist blah, blah blah, but it happening here in America, and it's one of the reasons I think Donald Trump One not for the nazi reason that they keep putting out, but maybe in one way because of the nazi thing, if you believe in your country, if you we believe that you know this could place your demon,

iced over in Sweden you're a racist? If you, if you won't, fly the EU flag and you want to fly the swedish flag, that people automatically push back and go. You know what my identity is important too. I don't think I think let me clarify for those might understand. Identitarian is identity based government right so identity, meaning in this instance your race or the races of individuals. So in Europe you these groups that are concerned about mass migration and displacement of the indigenous population, actually interesting in the call themselves, indigenous rights activists because white, people in France are the indigenous population in the yes, I don't think just based on the people. I've talked to that white. Identitarianism was a major factor to Trump's victory. So I'm not talking about I'm not talking about white national International is what I'm talking about are

Is this feeling and it's always connected to white nationalism? Ok, bye, the press and by people who are, I think, being insincere or just not. Well read the id yeah that I culture. I don't care. What color you are. My culture is in not to the expense of other cultures. I don't mind, come in and bring the best of yours and let's blend in, but it's on least the Umbrella of America, yes, and it's and what the problem is, is that people are now saying. No, all cultures are equally great. Well, you know what their spend some bad cultures that it happened, and I don't care what color it is hey. What do you think of the culture of the Germany in 1930s and 40s sits on okay, so so everything is not equal there. Maybe I'm great aspects of it. Maybe things that you're proud of. But why

can't? Why do I have to celebrate this and this is torn down? And that's that's the problem? That's the rub that I think people are feeling and the politicians, many groups, and especially the media, are it exploiting it or they just don't understand what this problem first apply. That's not identity right! James is usually about what your identity is things you can't control. You know male female white that just about wing american culture all tourism? I don't you want to call it right, but what is happening- and you probably will please correct me if I'm wrong on this, happening in, for instance, Brexit. I think there are some people that are part of brexit that are white, identitarian, okay, but also p,

Well, who are so beaten up and see, what's happening to their country and see what's going on and no one is recognizing them. The power is putting them into this group. They just say you know what nobody is freaking talking about me nobody's, helping me exact. At least these guys. You know calling me names and I don't like what they stand for, but they're being pushed into that corner. This is why I think I I do think that at that current core it's the way. The left and you know, look the the the left in this country has gone so far off the off the path, and it's not my pain, and it's the New York Times data. It's it's quartz, it's P, Gallup. If the economist I've got the chart to show them all the time, the media, feels safe for whatever reason, with this fringe far left identity based world. Don't understand, you know and that's why the center in the right are kind of you know. More aligned in the left is the media, just things to say: they've they've always felt the safe. I have no idea, but what do you think cap

since when you have Sarah John, you know she is. She is that she's on the name winner for three years, so yeah yeah the white racist hosts. Yes, your times higher sir answer a prominent position. Alt right, responded by saying, bless the New York Times. I wish we had one thousand more Sarah Jones, they didn't hate it, they loved it. They wanted that because they know that things she was putting out will force white people to join what they're hoping why people will come to the alt right because well, if the alt right uh, the media is already saying that the the writers Robb supporters are part of the all right. They are not the. There is a big. There are some people in the all right that support Donald Trump yeah, but they're of very few people that support on Trump. That supports it all right if they know what it is, but because the media says you're all right.

A lot of people just go well. I guess it can't be that bad. I'm part of the all right, that's dangerous! Now that course gonna taken out of context, because you just said it. I So I've actually talked to some young people who told me they were and I was just like I eat I completely disagree where I'm our was not it's not like you know. Look european nation come from here we came to here and there other live here too and they're like oh. No, I don't care about race and I'm like what what do you right means literally like NEO, confederate, white nationalism and they're like oh, all, they ever saw was people they thought were funny being accused of being all rightness and all alright meant like when Ben zero is all right. I can, you know sign me up by gaskets, that's not what it is, but that but you've got you know. I think I think a lot of people on the left are so far left. They look to the right and they,

so we actually I'll put it this way. One of the things I I describe this event that happened in Boston, where you have the right and the left on one side on the right. You a guy, waving a confederate flag. Unless I get a guy waving a soviet flag, so I talking to one of the organizers of the protest- and I said you know I'm sure they would welcome you've ever conversation and he was like. Are you kidding? Look to flying a confederate flag? And I said that's one guy though, and they're like yeah, but there he's there with them for him and I'm like no doesn't mean support him. I'm, like you, you're a soviet flag. No we're not, and I said, look behind you didn't realize the flight was behind him. Here's what happens on the side, a look over the hill and I see the big soviet flag and they some everybody over. There must be a communist look over the confederate flag. So I think that that's kind of a good way to explain what happens when the left is so far left. They look to the right and the center They can see the people the center, but then to the far right. They see the flags and assume it's one group. When, actually,

far away from each other. You know they can't. They can't tell the difference. let me switch subjects, because I hate to have you here and not go deep on on yeah China, two thousand and twenty is, I think, one thousand nine hundred and eighty four, oh man and America, twenty twenty twenty. Whenever I think is brave new world, we're headed the same direction and when Peter T Ill, who is not an extremist, says, Google should

at least looked into for treason, wow. I have the yeah wow and I have a time not saying I don't know about. True it's the way very specific on what that is, but That's really dangerous. What they're doing you know? I I feel like China has a very authoritarian system you'd. Do what China needs like that for them in the long run. Wild If they suffer for the individual, they uh I think they are on track to just try the United States in a worrisome way. We've. Allowed. I mean, first of all, I think we have no purpose the unite states, Millenia Sles. The reason why we're seeing all this fringe ridiculous activism is because no one is there's no mission. You know they did a survey of the UK and United States about what you want to be when you grow up Perkins and Brits said bloggers on Youtube. Chinese had astronauts. People in China have a mission. They want to be great

want to succeed. They want to fly their flag, people in America, I just people. Look at him it happens. They go on twitter and they say silly things so That says to me: you know if young people today don't care about the. Length of our community. Why would we have one hundred and twenty years China will exist? It's going to be a happy place to live in for sure they're going to have a massive there. Gonna have the commanding economy they're going to have international power, but as somebody who watch is the tech world. It says something that Google will assist China in the some of the most some of the worst things we've seen since you know fascism in the 1930s Pulpo I mean mean there they are, they are brutal. I think good

pulled out of the dragon fly, there's like two things as there's project maven, which was a government with what I believe was like chinese military in which they're like oh, we play a small role, yeah right, if, if any at all, why should you own- and this is really scary? Actually, so I believe that it a lot of dragonfly, which was censored search but I'll. Tell you what's really scary. Is that Google starts in the United States belt off the back of the United States. They now I believe her headquartered in Like Dublin right. What do you think happens if us regular regulators come into Google and say we want you to. The meddling? We want you to stop the the search, manipulation. Who can say you make more money in China screw you and then they basically just do what China wants. What do we do? Go to Ireland stop all weekend. So, what's scary, is the authoritarianism of China will for school to take action, but Google wants the benefits of bend the knee and then states

it's an issue of which is more valuable to Google, who is Google going to be loyal to if it's an international company at this point? That is scary, absolutely terrifying. Think about if you know the conflict in the S China Sea, which has been brewing for a long time and then China says, listen, Google, we is bad right. Why use are weighing things down in the US, so US interests and then all of a sudden people in America are like. China is great. We love China, you search for China. What do you see is all this really beautiful things about China and Google saying it's better this way, 'cause war is bad and then China's interests supersede the United States. So and that's not unreal list, I think I'll, probably already I do too. I do too yeah, so the chime in twenty twenty. What I'm, what I'm concerned about is weird just accepting it here: we're not even really standing up and saying: hey. That's a there was an episode of black mirror yeah and

we're accepting it and it's growing, bigger and bigger. Do you he had time where, doors close where, where these big corporations have the power and there's just no turning back from it absolutely- and you know thing is one hundred years ago. If the door is closed, somebody would come and knock those doors down, can't can't anymore. You know why explained earlier with the algorithms. You won't even know the doors closed right, you're, all you're, going to see when you open your phone is lollipops and rainbows in your bag. Life is good, you're not going to realize it. So it is the matrix right right right play with scary about it right at a certain level. We can say you know what, if we avoid war, that's a good thing right: Google has the effective. We should stop the bad each and eventually there will be no bad speech. Well, that sounds nice right, but here's the thing

as we learned from the Youtube story about Hitler and the Hulk dancing, their algorithms aren't going to lead to what they want right. So the way the way I can actually explain it. Is you too thought their algorithm would lead people towards funny sitcoms that in their mind they were like? What's a good show, friends right, so let tell the algorithm things like friends are good more than ten and its people watch more than ten minutes. You know it's got this amount of likes this amount of views and Youtube. Instead, directed them towards an indian guy singing into an 80s microphone of Hitler dancing because they don't know the difference. So they're doing this now they think they're doing the moral good and they're going to working. It's going to be this big international thing where it's like. Actually, I believe Jack Dorsey said, was where global community, I don't view themselves as catering to the american people. I've talked to For years, I've talked to some of the people in Silicon Valley. The really deep thinkers that don't think the same way I do, but they

fascinating to talk talk to. Because they see the world that is coming and they're designing the world that is coming. They think they are yeah I think they are and they have let me for years, Glenn you're thinking old world the we're entering the world where borders won't matter. It's true, though it is, it is, but not in the way that we he have ever felt orders. You know the way we think of borders, they mean the he. The corporations have no worry about borders at all, and they they are, is a completely redesigned corporate entity. The corporation will be. I mean Facebook if wanted to right now that could be the government you Never see. Look, look Elizabeth Warren came out

said she wants to break up big tech right and then what happened almost right away. Facebook took her ads down and then back up later whoops. That was a mistake. Was it yeah? That's scary, Youtube! I'm sorry, Google and Facebook control nearly half, or I believe that control the overwhelming majority of maybe, like I mean each control, around half of the digital ad market, they've just monopolize the whole thing biggest ad agency in the world yep. So when it comes to the internet, they can make, I think, whatever they want. You'll, never over here a story again and then it blows my mind is why these people in media just love it if Google all day and night. You know it's crazy. A few weeks ago a bunch of supporters and conservatives had a protest in DC called the bias something about I don't know what was about only knows they were saying. These big corporations are silencing speech, Antifa shut up to cast of the american citizens fighting for their rights against corporations. The far left came out to protest, not for, but I'm

can citizens complaining and demanding a redress of grievances S. It's like the I'm. What is it the internet rules that they tried to get past and, g change for FCC? I don't know what about all say this when it comes to talk about like China and one thousand nine. Eighty four and how the algorithms are manipulating us think about kind of content that these people these and have people see all all all day, everyday world war. Imagery talks of parallels between Trump and there, Google is weather, doing purpose or not. Are man? factoring people Twitter is a great example. They create block list. So you can never see what I have to say. Only ever see the French far left and there festering in this this bubble, where they eventually get an angry, and they're morally, just and then act in defense of these massive corporations? Let's solution, I honestly have no idea how do you

tell company they're not have free enterprise. How do you tell an individual than a lot of free speech? Are, I think, perhaps there dot? There was one interesting option put forward. I can't read what at the IT algorithmic free mandatory option for all social networks, meaning you can choose to see things as they are without being manipulated and then apps, a guarantee of free speech on these platforms, The conversation needs. We had a very particular way. We can't just say you have to have free. But we can say publisher, platform right this important and because Legally, there is no publisher platform distinction. A just says: you know: a digital service will not be deemed the speaker of something based on a third person which is a real, interesting conundrum in the specifically in Australia. I believe a man recently sued media organizations because they posted to Facebook.

Then someone commented defamatory information on that post, and he said that was the media. Company speech and Australia said you're right. It is because they created the space, for they were obligated to regulate it in the US section. Two hundred and thirty them from this, but I ask That's true, there's no distinction. Why can so you're saying that the Wall Street Journal can write? You know? Glenn Beck is an alien and makes ridiculous. False claim that he's a bigot, racist and here's proof make it all up. You can't, so you can't course, like you can, but but section two hundred and thirty says you can't this is the individual author, not Wall Street Journal right because the they have editor, and so they look at everything before it goes, live right at them army The section two hundred doesn't clarify that that's the thing legally, there's no distinction between platform right wisher. So how can we? be a point now where the law accidentally e men, gave the New York Times immunity right that says it sense

right. So there needs to be a clarification, and- and I will make this point- how to it to one when and always says you know it's a private business like and what they want. I say: that's, wonderful: we create new regulations, everyday end of story. Short: today: they can do whatever they want, I'm arguing they be be able to, and now we should actually enforce something what formulation takes is a bigger question. But the point is just because they can do it now doesn't mean they should be able to. We need to either refine section two hundred and thirty to clarify we a pass laws. Restricting you know the banning of speech. Based on arbitrary. You know whatever, but you know. I guess it is extremely Okay problem: it is the development of a new civic within our country. That requires the conversation and simply saying do nothing. It's a private business, I think, is the wrong approach. Where is the is the line where we are not going to know

if free will exists, you might be passed it already. You know I'll tell you something: creepy. I watch on Youtube Anime videos like Dragon Ball, Z in one punch man and I don't watch politics for the most part. Even though I make political videos Watch skateboarding and I watch cartoons where people, japanese people fight each other and one day, I got a video about people living in a Van Van life and I thought weird I've never watched anything having to do with living off the grid or living in a van right, clicked it and I thought wow is actually really interesting and then all the All I've been getting recently every other videos Van videos and I sort of thinking. Why would why would will just send me this video now? I'll be honest, I end the building of an I now have a mobile production. You know slash live shower in it, so it was good idea, but something this happened. This woman, her miss like Janelle, Elena, in in a cup.

Mix with only two videos has like one point: five million subscribers on Youtube, one of the fastest growing channels ever for the amount of content she put out, which is none and now but people are saying they believe it's an industry plant, I'm not saying it's true at At least we can say, though, weather purpose or on accident. The algorithm is, pudding in the minds of young people not to buy homes and to live in Vance. And think about what it's gonna do the housing market in ten years, when millennials are like I'd rather live in a van, it sounds fun, no right now, millennials aren't buying homes can afford it. So what happens then, when no one can sell a home, the Ma bottoms out everyone's, Aspen is destroyed, see that's where the people don't understand this. This for instance, my understand that Amazon is really looking to the future of just being a shipping company, a prediction and shipping. Me, the once they have enough in their algorithm to predict you, ninety percent. Ninety five percent of the time, they'll just start shit

Bing stuff before you even want to order it, and it will be there. If you want it, you'll you'll keep it and pay for it. If not you'll ship it back Do I really want it or did they shape me exactly their ads that are were aligned directly to me. Well, there are two two things. First, there's a story of a father received. You pick the mail up from his house and there was some some coupons for his daughter, for maternity items, You know the story yet, but tell it anyway. He got angry because he was like. Why are they? Advertising to my young daughter should be a mother and it turned out actually knew she was already pregnant the things she was looking at online, the things she was saying they didn't anything by it. They were like. Oh she'll, probably want this not realizing but really scary. Is you know a lot of people believe that Facebook spies on them, because you we talking about something and then on Facebook and see an ad for that very thing and you're thinking like they had to have been listening to me. That's that's very now.

The reality is scarier. Facebook can predict her behavior? So well, they knew you were going to talk about it and is true. There is an article that said you too sorry. Facebook knows where you're going to eat lunch with a ridiculous accuracy no, when you use the bathroom, they can checked all of these things about you and so it's. Finally, they don't need to when you and your you know your your dad or whatever man, I'm really interesting. Getting that new, that new Telecaster I sought the guitar center and also you see an ad for it. It speaks as the behaviors before seemingly irrelevant. I like now it's raining Those behaviors are associated with someone wanting to buy guitar somehow for in some way we don't understand the ai does so you think nothing too no they're predicting behavior. Now you combine that with shaping behavior, and it could be simple as if we show you the post about nachos. We know you'll vote for Obama or you might, think seeing endless posts about Taco Bell will impact you in a certain way, so you'll, never question it.

But they know those seemingly you know Living things do guide your behavior what's scary is how they can control the stock market, they can it's funny. Ai is mostly most of the stock market. Now is right, right right, but this way if they really wanted to twitter. Google, Facebook, whatever comes global warming or whatever they could snap their fingers and only see news, you'd only see comments, you'd only see opinions, they easily restrict or limit speech they're doing it on twitter. Now people are shadowbanned on Youtube. I'm sorry! I always make some google you, type in a search term won't appear right. One common thing right now is you go on Google type in Ilhan, Omar marriage, nothing comes up, you go Duckduckgo marriage fraud, pops up first thing: 'cause, that's the question. People are asking: Google is manipulating what people can see and in our behaviors, they call

the good sensor. That's the document that was leaked and presented by TED Cruz in Congress. They know what they're doing and what's scary, is ample of you know, had learned and and the whole because they think they're guiding you in a direction. That makes sense. They don't know and your proposing that you do know. Oh, I don't you're just yeah, you know it's really. He uh people always say, like you know, Youtube's coming to get me, I'm next, I'm gonna get censored and uh like listen, you gotta understand Youtube. They get rid of me at any moment. They've death play Deranked independent commentary, but camel's doing better than ever. So if Our intention is to get rid of my voice. I don't think so. Actually I have a theory on this, which is kind of a side step, media calls me right wing, I'm clearly not you know centris at the very least, but a lot of a you know, I'm supporting Tulsi Gabbard an entry and but yet they want to happen. They were the wheel to shift over? They want

need to be conservative so that you Glenn are a french far right extremist. How do they shift the full opinions of everybody. How do they control that behavior are telling everybody slowly temples right when they prop up my Youtube Channel and right wing? So it's the only thing people can see and then look at this view of a moderate, liberal, less conservative and it shifts the whole wheel to the left, wow I'm not saying it's on purpose in Overton Window move right. So right now I look at like Tucker Carlson. You know he's conservative, I'm definitely to the left of him and Ben Shapiro, but Ben Shapiro won't use the proper pronouns for a trans person because I'm actually a liberal the now Ban Ben Shapiro eventually he's high profile. So they have to wait this one out but they're going to they're banning all the lower lower tiered individuals who have less followers, have no protection and no chance of rectifying this for gender and they say, but you broke the rules of a private platform. Once there gone and they say but cool is conservative. Now, there's

nothing to the right of me, but the extremists were banned and the whole wheel shifts over one degree. So why hasn't. Why hasn't anyone done anything to at least build another plant why is they that they have absolutely? And I think it choirs people to use them right, so I've used to have the twitter logo in some thumbnails on Youtube, because I want people to follow me. I know use the minds logo minds my this is kind of like Facebook Youtube, you can upload it's kinda facebook, but it's decentralized encrypted privacy, free speech, you don't get banned. Friends of content, post egregiously offensive things that are like not safe for work. You cannot say for tag which means people turn the filter on to see it not a big deal right. So I think a couple million users I actually

I'm working with ceo on a site on a separate project, news venture. So it's happening right. You've got big shoes which is video hosting, which is doing pretty well and then you've kind of, like a youtube. Alternative. You've got then parlay, which our twitter alternatives. You have minds, so you know. Here's the if, if Donald Trump right now signed up for mine, and then posted something related to IRAN. Media would be forced to cover it and that would show the market would just over twitter would lose. A massive portion of of stock would probably go down right they would also immediately be deemed by by media and social media, as far right extreme plan. They are dirty doing it then. I think you know I eat, I'm not going to claim these people are doing on purpose, but I am

is disconcerting that you have these journalist acting in defense of massive unaccountable corporations. Smearing small businesses, decently small businesses, but here's the thing as another network call the FED averse which stands for federated universe. It's an open source protocol for social media, your family yeah. Imagine right yeah did something really brilliant in they overhauled their code and took the oath source code. From a from a group- I don't call the company, but an organization called Mastodon acid pretty far left right. They have crazy role. They even banned will Wheaton for being a trend. Both will Wheaton is like right right. I know we are left. So Manson sucks is open. Source gap takes it, GAB federates mean Any browser that accesses this open source network can get you to gab. Can Google ban a browser? You can go to a bad website? No, so now gap can't be banned or shut down ever so. This is a step in you know.

Right direction, whether you like it or not, the point, I'm not talk about the history of gab, just the id of on networks. What's really interesting about this FED a option is that you can make your own social media site called Glenn dot com I need help people follow me on the FED, a verse, Glen and Glenda dot com like email or website. No one can venue because it to your server hosting your speech, the only thing to take you down as a court order So this is. This is an alternative to these massive networks and censorship. Going Take though high profile. Visuals using them, so I've been promoting and using mines because it's like I hate Facebook, it's just yeah. For so many reasons, but you know the easiest path to changing, it is if Trump right now if Trump made a post on any one of these platforms, be at gap, mines bitch, whatever the media would have no choice but to show it front and center on every channel on every website, and then you know, twitter was bleeding users for awhile and then Trump came in, helps proper.

Cut, because now there was a reason to be on the platform. They're kind of losing users, but until file people say I'm going to do something else. While they control everything, you know I want to switch gears and keep it focused on what we're facing in this election right now, for instance, I've been warning the audience of deep fakes for a long time. Once it's like people, said in Germany, you know in in twenty five, nobody knew what hyperinflation was June, twenty eight by twenty nine. It's all anyone was talking about. You know I think it's going to be that way with the first deepfake. The fur. Real, deep fake. I deepfake

Nothing defects would be a really good thing for us and I you know. Sometimes the solution of problems are counter intuitive way way way. Wait I think long term. You may be right- and I want to hear your theory on that, but I'm talking the first real, Nicole moment deep fake, that everybody thanks is real. Could change an election or could start a war. First one I think, it'll be a good thing. Do you? Why? So I mean you look at Covington that Gambia, I was real footage right and no, because it was real footage. There was no fact checking to determine whether that would actually happen was really said. Of course, it's real we've seen the footage now what happens when a video comes out of Trump saying something, nightmarish and dangerous, and then three or four days. It turns out to be completely fake, we need something to get I guess I don't have journalists lever, get back on track on this one for whatever reason, but we need to uh

what people are less trusting of random videos they see on the internet so once we get that first deep fake in the media says only that that was fake, wo and people might take a get back for every other video following that, so we we need, we need. Something to say legitimately stop believing everything you see, because you know you can take a video and it's easy to strip out not just the context of the sentence, but the full context surrounding the conversation. So it's amazing what door Papa is trying to do right now. Darpa's, I'm sure you know more than I do working on deep fakes. Because they want to be able to have this algorithm that can spot them and then mark them as deep fakes. Well, that You're talking about is true. I don't need don't need a little approve by marking,

we need to have people go back and say, wait a minute. Does that make sense? Where is the original source? Give me more of that? You know because you're exactly right. You don't have to fake someone saying it. I've been taken out of context you been taken out of context for over decade. I wouldn't have four decades of me. It's Must is damaging. What's really interesting about can't this too. Is it's not just the paragraph you said right If you were to say something like you, so George Washington is quoted as saying in a sentence they can take that sentence and then say you said it actually the cultural context too. So in one instance there was particular news story. The New York Times put out. The New York Times and then it was commentary on it from an internet figure. I said I'd. Trust the New York Times. You know, but I do trust so and so. The cultural context was that that week a story came,

Out that was, you know, you know hard to believe I wasn't saying I just don't trust the New York Times period. It was in that we're talking about one issue, and so it's not even you know. So it's it's true in that instance. I did trust them, but people will take that and they use it right. I I thing our societies extremely sensitive to whatever on the internet at whatever moment you know, there's a store right now. Macy's canceling plates is one per complaint, our businesses need to get to the point, corporations, marketing and people toward the to say. I don't care about your tweets. I don't care about your video on the internet. So that's what I right, where I kind of wanted to go. I was reading a book and I can't remember what it was. I read it over the summer and it add it was about how the internet, how some people not coordinated, just took someone by association and said that person bad so this person must that getting day every day, so

this person was being destroyed and just a regular citizen. So somebody in the tech world decided the way to fight this is to fight it. With fire hose of of fire just say everything about this person from the believable to the absolutely outrageous and just make it through algorithms viral, so it's everywhere and that way nothing had meaning anymore and in some ways I kind of feel like that's, where we're headed, not necessarily that somebody's doing but everybody's a racist everybody. Whatever it's thing to come to a place to where it's a little boy who cried Wolf is not going to mean anything anymore, but you know, what's worrying is I already feel that way, as somebody who watch is a wide swath of different news from left to right what their people on twitter who who purposefully block dissent?

opinion only follow people on the left. It's it's it's. This uniquely left thing to do, and so You know you'll, see something like that, an interview I did with some alt right people and they prop that up proof. I'm secretly friends with these people, I'm not I've done it former Soviet general with refugees, but you take one photograph and then, when you isolate yourself, these people lose their minds, and so it's one of the reasons why I can't go on the ground and cover things. The way I used to and now I'm doing you know more political commentary and we're working on documentary stuff because big breaking news stories, these people believe insane things about me, because they're in isolated groups and you'll have one or two people who know their line, but they don't care the end defy the means by any means necessary and that's that's the way they right so Antifa, again, yeah, yeah, yeah and with it's crazy, you know in two thousand and eleven, the first time got attacked. This may have been early, two thousand and twelve by black block anarchists type. Msnbc had me on, and I said why:

how could this have happened today? Where that there tacitly supporting it, ignoring it at the very least and we're seeing profile, individuals prop them up and praise them. We just had uh the guardian did uh peace. I believe recently on the John Brown Gun Club, that guy who the he was a member of that of that and organization and they're getting he's praising them. I mean CNN. Even it was. Some the guy's name, but he has a show on CNN in use and you can donate to them. I could be wrong about that, but this is before the attack. Okay, at the very least, I'm surprised that, could you engine yeah you're, I from the oath keepers, could you imagine if CNN was like everybody donate to the keepers right like that? Be what what why right, but there but the who is Antifa How many, how many pieces that we get? There was a c n n, P said anti for six p three piece through violence. That's a real! They changed the headline eventually, but they they You know what they want to hate trump so much they disagree.

With whatever he says, no matter what he says, even if they're gonna to be wrong about in the end. Just because that's what the for whatever reason that's there after and then then supporting extremists. What do you quickly safe got very little time? What do you think of it's happening on the ground? Are people waking up on both? I normal people just waking up. I don't want any of this or they polarizing and Joel. I think a if people are who are not. Conservative are moving to join, conservatives actually dot com said and the scenario the narrative was divided by left and this during the right. So here's what I see, conservatives and centrist sound, like moderates pretty much still agreement. The left has veered off in ridiculous path and the It shows it's the New York Times: it's Gallup Q ACT, axial skorts, all of these polls for the same thing not

pain in the left, has gone far far left and when immediate races after him, they're going to are those people who were kind of on the moderate left who are Democrats, they peeling off or they go in with them. I think they're going to write a lot of them. You know my friends who are you know Bernie supporters in twenty. Sixteen count me out there gone and then you have a lot of people who are now voted for Obama. Now they're calling to walk away they're, saying they're there with from now back in the. Let me see to a I h, Elon Musk, I think, isn't it what's your opinion on the musk,

I mean there's a criticizing for I guess, but I think it's hilarious too he's kind of like he's like a real version of Tony Stark, that's living the life that you know. You're there you, if you were elected, I I need it at him. Yeah in a joking, hey, Elon, musk. Why haven't you built yourself? An iron man suit yet right and he responded working on starship, it's great and I got a. It went like right, easily viral right. People really excited that he were. You know. Who'd he's he's a funny. I interact yeah yeah, so he was talking about. Oh shoot, I can't run net the that Neural link. I was going bring this up. This is a potential solution. Right now, maybe this is what's this amazing, maybe maybe I've got I've always got the catastrophe. Side for you so give me the hope side or maybe to catch a cat side. The I know that we'll be able to give my there is currently Scott three year of testing to it'll have the Imp

it's put into our brain neural link not for neural link. I've calls for e or of lawn and say and hate can can she test she's got the current technology which his is going to be ten ten thousand times more powerful, but it carries with it great promises, yeah, but also some really dark stuff. Well, the what I'm hoping for, let like VR imagine you could actually just link your in a computer and then be in the matrix world. Now the matrix is a scary movie, but I mean it's like imagine that fake reality of you could be Superman. I'm sure people love to come home from work. I just feel powerful for a few flying around shooting laser beams that sounds fun, and not really one of the hopeful things is that by being connected to the net, we be overtaken by the net for our

our brain. Computation will sick, but here's the the more nightmare scenario. The first one is, I go back to the Hitler dancing with Hulk thing, just car, our brains, that who knows what I put imagine you think you're going to you're going to go, go VR, won't be Superman and instead it's a nightmare trip of like talking, you know, hammers, quoting and just weird nonsense. Give Rock star trek. You know the board yeah. So I could get my lore wrong, but my understanding is the Borg started out humans in rated themselves into technology and eventually it formed a hive mind where they're no longer individuals at six, actually how I described it to a friend over the weekend. It's a it's a. It is eventually a hive mind. Almost there already yeah Twitter, you know we're not integrated at the speed of light the speed of electricity.

But we open up our phones and we look at that. Twitter feed and we're connected to that network immediately to see their thoughts and opinions correct what happens So, instead to our brains and everything, and It's two directions. Many I mean you want to talk about algorithms, just nudging, you I mean you read at son's teams, work on nudge that, dinosaur stuff, you know sounds bad too, but I could maybe, in and it being a good thing in some ways you know a lot of Cray we'd be able to speak. I mean he. He talks not being able to affect leg page far is Maggie go to. I could go visit. You know Russia and speak Russian and understand it and it would and it would pursue my speak English in Russian, but you both hear the correct, but I I think you know one of the biggest prob politics is the inability to understand the world view of the other person. What if we did what, if you are like, that's what you think so

I'll put it in the? I guess like beneficial way to conservatives. Imagine all the liberals are stupid and wrong. And all of a sudden one day their eyes were opened to the to everything you knew. Let me use you start. Let me use your star trek analogy. Yeah. Did you ever see the Vulcan mind meld workout poorly, I mean when did alright yeah I mean he was. He was always like Can mind meld and he would come away with some great right. Oh, I understand death. I understand I write fear in reality. I think you know left up down religious, a religious whatever. Well, will really understand the perspectives of people and everything if they can truly communicate more quickly, and you know when it human speech like I've got teen billion ideas in my head and I can bring them tiny little string, that's really hard. So it's it's. I can tell a liberal think those dumb conservatives and all of a sudden. They know everything. You know that sounds great. Doesn't it

no you're right right right, you can say the same thing: conservatives in reality, everybody will learn from everybody and maybe stop being a, throats, although, admittedly it's like it's the far but in the fridge wackos. Isn't it the same thing, though? With I mean I don't know where you stand on on Libra, but right now this isn't this Libra for brain who is controlling exactly you know. If I, if you know Stephen Hawking, was so misunderstood at the end of his life, I believe he was absolutely right by two thousand and fifty there is a good chance that homo sapiens, don't exist, doesn't mean, Man doesn't exist. It means what we define as a hobo. Sapien today does not exist because of stuff like this, but it isn't if can control they're controlling speech Libra,

can say: oh well, you're, not you're, you're, you're, no longer tolerable, you're, bad for the community, Libra Scary, Libra, scary, but isn't this the same, though also with the Brantley? Absolutely just turn your monkey now. That's why I think neural link is fun for video games and four you choosing what you connect to, but this like constantly on system kind of scary, terrifying, Mastercard. According to plan your sources and its disputed a bit between patron a master card, but patron says Mastercard reached out. You said you had, you have to be, and this man, Robert Spencer, I believe name, familiar yeah right. They said ban him, I'm sorry, Mastercard forced us to do it hot think denied it. But so what happens when banking institutions can tell you you can't use it anymore. Now it gets worse. Why of the things they're proposing with Libra is speed. Sup transactions by using Libra so Mastercard, when

Richard wants to send money from the United States from their bank, they tran, for it through all these different systems and there's like regulation attached to it with Libra it's finger. Scan is just a quick currency through Facebook. What open. Facebook bans you for being an extremist, and then you take your Mastercard and you I put a gas station and it says denied and you call mass tried to say: well, we usually brought to do exchanges and do exchanges from Libra banned. Look, your so look! We have no problem with you. You can use Mastercard. All you want on for Netley. Libra's are intermediary in your band, so you can't use this card anymore. It is this book is in between everything you do. We can choose to seeing this you're, seeing this already being pushed by state governments with Cuomo going to the the financial center of the world, saying hey by the way, to send in our state regulators and we're not telling you how to do business, but

he thinks some of these guys who are making guns or selling guns are kinda suspicious. So it will probably extend your examination every year. Nobody wants that hassle, yep and so there he saying, but you can avoid all that if you just don't do business exam, they are following that, yeah it's authoritarianism, it is tyranny, but again without the government's involvement outsourcing the tearing hate. This is what I find really scared about. Big tech specially whatever you know what's really worrying to me or these people who defend Google and Twitter and Facebook on Michael Isabet. Warren is coming after that me or don't you like Elizabeth Warren, whatever reasons you know so, but even I worry about that because of the history with FDR, I mean FDR wanted regulation. So let's go to Ford

and GM and and Chrysler and ask them how we should regulate. Will they put all of the small people out of business? Bothers me that that Zuckerberg's saying hey? We need regulation well, who are we going to go to he's, trying to run right here? In my eyes he wants to be the adviser one of one of those, but then the more terrifying things. If we don't have a. I is China. So there was interesting point man. I think it was SAM Harris Podcast where, something to the effect The moment that a I defeated, I think Kasparov or whatever greens player there was no. Or player can beat our best ai period. What happen if China beats us to the race and then declares war declare war. Because what it what's on sends say, win before declaring war or something that effect. So If they have the ai, they know, are

but they know the known knowns, the unknown unknowns that are up and then day. I shall give an eighty seven percent chance of victory, declare war and follow the steps in the. U S can't counter that artificial intelligence. Try to take over the world. You know. Are you do you believe that we will get to AGI? What is eight, okay, so ai eyes, artificial intelligence which what we have? What your talk about is it least artificial, general intelligence, where you know Casper, was eaten by a I, but it's it's very narrow can only do that. Yes, so agi is something that can look at all of it and Asi is super yeah yeah, absolutely you know, one of things really interesting. I tell people is what makes men's better than computers. Is that when just screw something into a piece of what a and screwdriver we take it. We say the pointy end goes into the hole and then we twist until it feels right, we do

We do very little calculations, but but computers, and they do this- have to calculate literally every step. The AI defeats Kasparov, it literally, Calculators, all of it calculates all of these different outcomes wasting time and energy if and general intelligence, which I believe I could be in the right spaces they can. Make more assumptions and skip off the wasted time and energy and move faster and more quickly and more directed. Well, when you add quantum computing, then then, then it's everything that one It's really funny is that side note met with magic, the gathering, no strategy card game, it's fantasy strategy card game, it's similar in round like dungeon to dragons a I can't win, because it's just got so many variables that the computer has a delayed way too much. Where's a human with general intelligence ignores the ways, the time and energy. So the game like this, you have sixty cards in each deck, have a certain.

You can only have four of each individual card, so the human thinks I'm playing point official game. I know likelihood they'll use a certain card. Why would they is this really bad card in their deck? They wouldn't all ignore that the possibility isn't exists to me. It's very simple: the human to go up against the human. The computer has calculate thirteen thousand different cards as it doesn't first and if someone would or wouldn't use one because it doesn't have the general understanding the context that they can have that it doesn't have enough input yet right. So for the time being, if, it's one most popular card games in the world, I think in terms of physical card games. If a computer can't that game, I'm not super concerned about global warfare, because that's infinitely more complicated. Well, one go, which is right, the chinese game that they were this is. Why is concerning it's not that they can play those games? It's when the GO masters in China when they

it lose to that they thought that it was cheating because it they were. It was playing it in a way that human had ever seen. Yeah woods What we're dealing with is alien thinking. It's like alien life. We don't we can't did we don't know what it's going to do, because it's not going to think like us. That's that's! That's nothing. I tell people, they assume a lot of people. Experts, obviously, but they seem a terminator scenario. The robots decide to destroy humans and on on, if you know what happened before the terminator the matrix they wouldn't if you don't happen before the, what would have before the matrix is a bunch of happy humans gleefully serving the robot overlords thinking. Ignorance, is not realizing it like? This is really great. You know Although Tron the giant, robot overlord loves us and we please him not realizing they've been manipulated. Our behaviors. You know

This is a you know what hell say. This isn't ignorance bliss. That would be great just to to bow to your giant robot a I and not not be aware at all that you're you're a slave. Now it's play. People are now a lot of people in ways. As being built? It's not there, but it's being built and they are. I remember in nineteen in the 1990s saying, there's no frickin Now ever give my fingerprints to the government navigator like on my phone people. Now I'm like my face or yeah night in two thousand. I was talking about facial recognition, saying this is really dangerous down the road I mean we're now we're doing it isn't weren't social security numbers like shocking to people when they came out like you want me to get the government to number me right now, we're like we get a car and were born. It's night you know were walking, and that path towards the Borg. I guess unless we blow ourselves up or something before that I act you think you know,

or three type scenarios of like international nuclear war is ridiculously unlikely due to the decaying nature of borders. So what interesting that the idea of borders today is you know you mentioned how they said there won't be any. You know. It's really listen. Years ago, thirty years ago, if you went to Canada and did something to make money you're in violation of a tourist visa, today I make money through the internet. When I go to Canada Am Perkins, paying me Americans, you know. So I can. I can buy a house in whatever country I want and do the exact same work legally. It's it's really really weird 'cause. It gets even weirder this. I have People in the UK who donate to me through, like Paypal, Weber, go to the UK. Make a video about delicious. You know Uk Beer or something, and then I received a donation from a british person that I just a tourist visa, a British

and paid me in exchange for producing content. What they paid in can company, which then relayed the money to me right. It's things are starting to break down in terms of what if we move off of a production based economy for the most part, anybody who doesn't a job that involves information can live wherever they want to work. You've got America, companies that hire developers like digital coders and stuff in Romania, and mainly because it's not you, can't really pin down where. Who you are where you know not who you are but yeah where, where that supposed to go and how it works right, you know the theory of Hypoth. Rehypothecation reality? Application is my signal into the mountain. Whenever you read the word Hype rehypothecation in a news story run for your life. There's not enough.

For all the money that everybody has the right right, you know the banks have been. You know what office all fiat all fake it's office, all just so you know backed by guns and oil against her right. So it's now so Now, when Germany demanded their money, their gold on the FED, it took him five years to give it They're like end of the FED, was like we're not going to do this for everyone, but right because there's not enough gold for everybody, you We printed more. You did more than but you have in gold, but this is goes with. All of it. When you have the bundles that tranches, if you will of ceos and mortgages and everything else, I have a mortgage with Chase Manhattan, but Chase Manhattan has so, will it to somebody else yet. They're keeping that on their balance sheets, as well as an asset than this bank, tells it today they've got the asset. So this

bank owns the house. This bank owns the house, this bank owns the house and you own. The house who owns the house re hype. Application is crap. We have to figure this out. There is no figuring that out. I don't think so. I think you like, ah it's a never exploitable system where people are to figure out how to sell one thing over another, an it's. I, hi. This is probably derailing, but it reminds me of what these media companies were doing with. What's called a traffic assignment where without gaming, any companies to avoid litigation. Some very prominent high profile media companies would buy the assignment of viewership from a clickbait website so you had you know. Oh my god, there was one is called like lucky dot com. I could you not like some ridiculous name and they would put those

articles where, like twenty five celebrities, who look crazy and every time you want to you know for the new page, new page, the farming. Clicks Then they sell the assignment to a major network who then claims a billion views this month and they advertise and say we got a billion views on you want to buy ads with us when they only had a million. It's the the media economy was being built on fake numbers and elation- and you know I was reminded of this just because we are talking about all these different banks- only different things. What I see for companies trying to figure out how they can sell. Something again, is this valuable to you, so the click bait website already made money off that view. Now they can claim. The view is part of a network, and now the bigger company can say our network dot, x views and your ads will sell against those so they're, like that's twice it's just ridiculous and that's another reason why his company is kind of hard to fall apart, because eventually, if someone all the pin on that one bank,

in it he says. Okay, we got asked next, maybe ask next. Man eventually comes back to you. You know in th the fuse all right loose broke, I have already, we have run a longer podcast than great. Ever ever, and I talk to you for another two hours, the just do some real, quick, rapid fire, twenty thirty, more free, less free, KEN's, less obliviously, less free. Press better or worse, twenty, twenty five, that's a tough one. I think we're going to see the press is becoming more independent personality based, so I think it'll be not better or worse. It's very different

who is president in twenty twenty one trump. You say that with such conviction. I I I'm not a fan of the guy, that's fine he's on things I think are good he's on his on his his his character. I'll see I'll be very critical of yeah, but if you think there's any charismatic Democrat today was on that stage, it's gonna be two I I'll take that bet any day of the week, Thing that keeps you awake at night: nothing. Nothing yeah on the horizon. You most worried about. Let me rephrase it. I'm little things you know I I have the freedom of speech. The loss of free speech is not something that keeps you awake. I do admit it's kind. Stanley, they're saying: how can we figure this out? How can we figure this? I guess You know nothing good night, because I'm very energy and an anarchistic

still in my personality, I am ready to go, live in the mountains with the dog and go hunt for food. So it's like you want to tear society, you know, but I do think big. Is the most pressing issue right now, I'm saying you're most excited about with tech things. I think nobody is really cool, link virtual reality. I'd love to fire on a Superman, for you now punching bad guys and shoot laser beams. When that's on some, I find a good real relaxing and you know What there's a lot of other things I can do like downloading, like in the matrix downloading Kung fu, becoming a master at like think about no. I want to learn how to play tennis just plug in and download tennis and all sudden, your champion, you wouldn't because everybody would be computer, could be good everybody. You wouldn't be that good 'cause. Your muscles will still need to be, but you know a lot you learn faster as an exciting

question, when you come back again, yeah sure yeah great great, to talk to you that was pre. She ate it. Just a reminder: I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and has his own to a friend, so it can be discovered by other people