The blaze radio network on demand back it's Tuesday October night. This is the Glen Back programme We have in Portland Oregon. A mayor. Who has surrendered the town. He has surrendered the town to Antiphon there Apparently, not the police can direct traffic now. And the police were there, they did nothing. If you don't do what Antiphon says you have to do, they frighten you. America is at a crossroads. We have to decide.

Or it will be decided for us. My father taught me when I was very young. The most powerful words in any language are these. I m. And the reason why there so powerful is because whatever it is that you say after that, you, begin to believe, and you create. What is America saying it is right now. We are being told over and over again, we are worthless, though, A stern way of life is worthless that Erika is not good, never has been in fact, to force for bad.

And unless we actively replace those things in our heads and the head, Of those around us, we will be worthless. And we will be a force for bad. We are arguing about some of the dumbest things. I've ever seen. And we are missing, it's really going on. The world is being redesigned right now, and so many of us are worried about the future today will see in the New York Times and elsewhere that the world only has ten years and you have to be a hero in the next ten years. If you don't stop global warming. Why we are all going to die. So, you must be a hero today and you have to take action.

The question is what then look like. Do any of the things that the environmentalists are actually Proposing do they help or hurt. What the world looks like in twenty thirty Pens on how we answer cos Genes that we're supposedly arguing about right now. We can try to avoid it, we can not listen, we can not pay attention, but Bond offer said not speak is to speak, not to stand, is to stand now, who answer don't count as our own. As our answer, we all be remembered. Winter soldiers

complicit. With what I believe will be remembered as the greatest failure. Crime in here Entities, history. Standing by waving your finger or waving the flag, The western world burns. I do not want to be part of the problem in America. And I feel that all the time we all do, but what counts is the effort. What counts These are you trying You crying. And are you better today than you were yesterday.

Have you found any answers, or are you only shouting things down? you just out in the street door, acting traffic. Because you feel it's your right well, Have you even looked at what your rights mean. Where do your rights even come from. Today, I saw think progress right a whole article about how the constitution has failed. That was a headline. The constitution has failed. And then it goes on, explain how it is really a slavery document. And the three fifths in the constitution all lies, all. Lies. Now you can argue that. Or we can begin to teach our children.

You can argue that. And you can throw it back in their face with some sort of epitaph door. Name calling of some sort. Here's the question that we all have to answer. He is America, a fee This for good or a force for bad. That requires real thought and discussion. Because it is neither, in my opinion, it is both it has been a force for bad, and I warn you. If we leave the bill of rights, we It will become the door kissed force ever on earth with our technology,

we will make the Nazis look like rookies make no mistake, We have been bad, we have the Japanese. We ended up the Germans and the Italians we Ended up the blacks, we old people, they couldn't vote. Including women. But we are also the people that freed people We re he'd blacks and we fought for it. We fought and died. Fought to free the Japanese. We ve brought to free the Germans and all of Europe and the world. We fall But to free Russia

from the tyranny of communism. And we failed in the time of peace. Are we good or are we bad? the declaration of independence still of viable mission statement, because that's all that is but Declaration of independence is a mission statement period. Do we still hold these truths to be self evident, forget about the, asked, let's talk about it future We have never ever run each. The heights demanded by our mission statement. What have we gotten better is still worth striving for. We hold these truths to be self evident that

all men are created equal. That means we are born equal. We all have an equal chance, don't judge Somebody by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Do you have? Do you have everything the baby laying next to you has when you're born far as human rights and dignity. Do you still believe that, and I talking about where the way? I am asking you as an aspirational mission statement that the mission statement of our country Do you want to live in a country that tribes and falls short, but picks itself? Back up again, do you onto live in a country that says all men are created, equal

and they are endowed by their creator. Why would you to throw God into it too, care. What you put there is thus must be bigger than man. The reason why the creator is important, you, don't have something bigger than man. Then man will print? Take away rights. So if you want to see the moon. The eternity, the grave cosmos, whatever. But it in Douze, each of us with certain on changeable rights and those rights our life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Now, there's a lot more than that. Where the bill of rights comes in, do we still believe in this as

aspirational statement. We are only talking about the past, we're talking about the mistakes of the past. You cannot fix the mistakes of the past with saying where we're going So where are we going to follow you? Anti terrorist down Now? I read your website. I read your mission statement. I strongly disagree capitalism is not the problem capitalism, that is that has no moral sentiment is. But you don't fix that by us Eight run economy. By co, ops, always fails, know you And your allies in the press refuse. Is to point out that that is exactly what you're looking for. It

Failed system, this one has been this, one has failed us, because it has been usurped constitution no longer means anything. The bill of rights no longer means anything. Why? Because It's not talk anymore. Anybody Takes the oath of Office in Washington, nine percent of them are liars, not even not even intentional of liars. They don't know it. They don't believe in it. They were tell you they do As was told to me by a very powerful individual, once look gland, we, all believe in the constitution, but you know You gotta do what you gotta do know. No, you do now. To do what you have to do that ends justify the means we either believe in this or we do not, and that is the question America

Do you believe me roll half assed. Now thought out. Sitting on the sidelines: All of those answers me nothing in the end. Only those who know it who understand it, who have done their homework, who can intellectually defend it. Those are the winter soldiers. Those will be the ones that restore freedom for all mankind. Everything else is lip service, a game and actually a tool in the hands of those who wish to create chaos and destroy all we have

that monologue and so much more since the beginning of part, three of my book addicted to outrage. Finding our own. What is our purpose anymore. When I talk about them, with you and those who have read the book if you have read the book eight. Seventy seven be easy k, aright answer. Half hour is, whereas a bizarre sponsor today blind suck I want tell you a little bit about blinds dot com. They are great at being able to give you everything that you need. Even if you are somebody who you don't really know how to look at window treatments, you mean like me You or you, by the way I actually you're you're kind of the decorator in the family, which is an interesting dynamic could go ahead, but I will say I have no idea how to decorate anything yeah

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so it's no big deal. If I had to guess, I would say: probably the Jews made them do it, I'm probably where he adds. Probably it's probably just like they. They turned Taylor Swift, both the Jews responsible for both things, holy cow or it we have a lot of people. Let me go to, let me go to Scotland. Nevada, Hallo, Scallon, hello, Gwen I just wanted to say that we can be outraged about anything. So what we they do is to turn that negative and positive actions like when President Kim day challenged America. You gets the moon, we need turn or negative thoughts than to the positive thoughts. What think its ever been easier. Do you I mean we're just ignoring all of the positives that are happening to us, I mean you, want a moon, shot, ok, Elon Musk, going to Mars twenty twenty five I mean. What's bigger than that, it's just not a national project. Dewey!

need to wrap it up in national money to be able to get excited about the future because That's what that was all about the moon shot was all about doing things because we can, doing the hard things, not the easy things I mean, though, that was that was the whole goal and it galvanise people. Thank Scotland. You people, don't think about is Nineteen sixty eight is one we went to the moon say, here's Woodstock, while hats we ass weird yeah, so you're either rolling around in the mud or you reaching for the stars. There were two America's. Where is the America that is reaching for the stars where is that America that says Nedda stop me I I saw a post today that I, that I Had to answer

in my twitter feed and see if I can find it real quick that was it I that this is so wrong, what is being taught to who children endive to everybody, there was a person Helen Pluck, rose. And apparently fat is my identity and I belong to it whether I M aware of it or not, and even if I'm not. This is what I'm known for kidding myself to think people actually think of me, primarily as a writer in speaker, rather than a fat person Imagine living that way. I risk I were. I responded to that as a growing member of the fat community, I find the real problem is when I look myself in the mirror- and I define myself by my body I more than my body, you,

defined me anyway. You wish it's your loss, but you say after I am is much more important than what others say about you, so which are we gonna, be America, because The choice is here: the choice is so much more than Donald Trump or Cavanaugh Eat is so much bigger than this. Who are we. Are we the people that role in the mud and are constantly looking down and debates in ourselves or we the, people that look up Are we the people that look to the future? Are we the Let's say I am getting better every day in part of a positive community? going to make a difference. Two million Glenn back mercury.

Jane. You phone calls today for people who have read addicted outrage and want to make aid to illustrate one of the points in the book or have question when a further the dialogue, aided it. Seventy seven be easy K. If you have read the book. Greg Grey is a contributor for the Federalist, while Hive Gregg, how are you- Good morning, Glenn Good too good. To hear from you talk to you. I understand that Five years ago you may not have been my my biggest van no, no, not at all. Actually, I'm with you Gregg on that won't know which, hopefully will wonder he had so he has different reasons you're on the left. We are very much so tell me about it. Well, I was I was raised by far That's gonna, be parents, and we know that

just kind of pushed into me from from a young age, and it was just the it was how everything is like a filter over the entire world and I walked around looking suspiciously. It everybody thinking that There's something deeply broken within them that their out to get somebody did. They don't understand where I do even I I didn't and very much at all, it was pure emotion and it was raw and ill informed. So what happened and why, I One of my close friends we're having a discussion and heap. He actually mentioned Fox NEWS and just kind of said that that was his his new source, and was appalled and I was furious and I

I went home from man, you know just thinking what what I thought I knew this guy were you all along. I had no idea, you see some kind of monster like how could how could this be, and I got curious. As to how this could happen. I went home and I started watching and listening to People on the other side- and it was quite a slap in the face- prior to her, mountain in the whole situation now and all this flame throwing and what I saw were you know, people who celebrate what we ve overcome, instead of what we ve had to overcome and it was really powerful and very restorative to me again, you're. Looking at your books, you through the lens of addiction, looking at them

but the way that we approach our politics your guard one another through their lands. I think, is so important. I've I've gone to addiction, myself and new as You you learn about about right. Bill, humility and you find help you find comfort in most likely places, and we know we really kind of becomes cod, do. You know you can save it, cities are greatest strength, but the innovative it's more than that. It sets the cooperation between diverse people, it's the humility of diverse people. I think I m one of my favorite quotas. Absolutely where there is doubt there is freedom. And we we we flip that up on its head, wheat, we are now so I mean look at Antiphon direct. Traffic. They are so convinced that they are right there

a bludgeon you if you disagree with them there's no freedom their way, where there is doubt there is freedom where there is humility, there is freedom of action. And you and when your intellect the expiration. When curiosity against the green in any way when the moon that becomes punishable view, I think I think they really risk Driving good people since and unsavory roads, and that there is no good in that grain of ancient tradition, the absolutely absolutely thank you so much for reading the book and Amazonia assigned to copy, but thank you for reading in calling in Daryl Kentucky you're on the Glen Back Programme, high Daryl, how you doin good, how you doing great. At this point,

a result of the book- and I think that my my fair part of it is it needs. No, we can you can't surrender. Like you said several times, we have to remain civil, because maybe I'm not even thinking this, but I think that eventually the left will realize they have gone too far. They will step back from the ledge and, if worse, before they are standing strong and our principles will be able to bring them back into the fold and bring the country back But if we get in, we do the same thing, we're doing just health care the country apart. You were on. The left is well at one point I was I was raised in southern: what's your union, my family were very deeply democratic and we believe that Republicans were various people do take my weapon

you give to the rich and am now I. I was pretty progressive, guys in college, and am I didn't really start looking at the other side until after twenty four team, I went to war was a soldier in military spin off two thousand other fourteen Ghana. Some of the best men, women, I've ever met my life and I came back my country was completely different. I can't figure out what happened no longer welcome. Left is a strange. Male veteran, so I had to figure out what happened. I started looking at people that I had marked, including yourself in the past and start reading. Our Louis wins and Michael order is pay you on which you noted the bone and that really maybe I'm buying into their theory, lava too much, but I've I've seen the first hand and

I do believe that we have another five years. Is that this getting worse before gets better, but I still believe the dawn is coming. So do I it's whether or not we can pull enough people away from the cliff before turning to years, twenty twenty five before it starts us, come back the other direction that right so. How can we help people like you, because I I I We need to start defining demo. Rats. When we say other Democrats, I think we need to start saying the people in the leadership of the party. Because I don't think you like you. Our Democrats, who are good, love the country and are finding themselves go and wait a minute. I dont have any place to go and and we have to I'm not saying it's in the Republican Party, I'm just saying people need to start being more welcoming to people

who are finding themselves on the outside What should we be aware of, but you went through. I think you should be aware that even no policy and Is it an area that we may never agree on? That principle is something that we can agree on, that things like your freedom, things like now, not having a government that end control you from now several hundred miles away the control. Every little aspect of your life said. Something I taught me Why am I need to know all the time is that you know before before President Obama, I voted for the guy. Had a car like what he was selling name didn't get mention at the dinner table every single night at my home when I was growing up.

The power that we have given to Washington over the past ten twenty years is too much and I'm not really sure what the end state but the solution for that is what I think is talking about the things you talk about the principles that make us all united are ruining the bill of rights, the things that they make it all American r R will weaken can unify behind the section of because I I really struggled with what it is that brought us together, and it's real. The or can bring us back together It's really so simple when you finally get onto it. It is the bill of rights, don't you think? I agree, I think You will never finds in any other country that I've been have I've been several Africa, Germany, Afghanistan, Romania,

find a country that that beach itself up over its past as much as America does we, we re, we ve done some horrible things like you said in your reading, my long, but we also know, I think it's something the Danish to sue the said by recognising our false by admitting to our ports, you have the kind of away admit you, Americans more superiority, because we realise that we have made mistakes and we're trying to fix them. Darrell, thank you. So much for your phone call. Appreciated. God bless. Of a great point about how, before Obama presents name, did come up every day at the dinner table. Obviously, that's getting even worse. Now, with triumphantly people are obsessed about talking all the time distorted, enacts Ios about how they are. The networks have recognise this and they are all there doubling down David, HI ratings engagement from from coverage and for that works at a relatively low cost. Now that oppressed

Has been set around these high returns, it's unlikely news outlets will cut back, meaning the barrage of political content being created and absorbed during the Trump presidency will likely outlived this administration they wanted. They want to make purposes celebs Erika in an he's, a polarizing guy in people, love, em and hate him, but they want to cheat. They were this to be the norm, they want you. To be obsessed with this all the time at the expense of the rest, your life, it is in a totalitarian regime. It is the norm, you have to know what your fewer or the leader is saying and doing and wants you to do it the norm. Anything Normalizes is any intention of saying you know what that's good for America is mistaken, it's wrong and this is you this is. Driven. I think at this point by clicks and and viewers, and in all its it's one of those things that just goes is gonna continued. It can be hard to reverse that addiction is well they. We know when when they can get me the Rachel Mattawa audience

is addicted to outrage, maybe more than any other right there right have gone through the roof, because, if anything, MSNBC return, you know reverse that path. Now, no Workers are well, you know what maybe we went to know. I mean I know to be optimistic about it, but I don't see it happening. Hurry, potentate, quick break back to your phone calls aided eight seventy seven beings. Uk, then in our number three we're gonna show you an experiment. We did. And take you behind the scenes of something that we try to do with the gun debate. Can we get people all different walks of life. People to sit sit just Eight people sit in a room and and action We come up with any workable solutions. How was that an eye opening. He experience, we're gonna show you all about it. Coming in our number three sponsor half hour is relief factor relief

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You like go head logo you wanted me to look at page new to ninety four of the book addicted outrage? What's what's your question? I know I'm just such daddy I'm all engaged united for? Oh, you are at this end, you're talking about recovery, steps of alcoholism yeah and I'm trying to chide this into the nation- and where is the nation rock bottom in your opinion, and how do we recover from it? Who I I beginning to think It is civil war, I'm beginning to think that our rock bottom is too far down, However, I I can't live in that world. And it depends on how many people will we Stand and not go over the cliff, how many people

are there are there are enough of us Republicans and the crafts and our own neighborhoods that will say I don't want anything to do with that. I won't do that. That's, not who we are as people, that's, not who my neighbours are, and I am I'm going to be pushed over the cliff by Anti Far Nazis, I'm not doing it. Do we hit that on. Well. I would hope that a nation that we do not ever hit that, but I think you're you could be hitting on something at them: Civil war and our nations may not be physical, like our laughable war, but it could be on the social the platform a were already in the hands of the horse. We're already in that? I am, I am vice. It concerned about violence and you You have an assassination you, you have any of these kinds of things, and

could spiral the country out of control, and I would hope that we would we blessed be the peacemakers less it be. The peacemakers and it's gonna be harder and harder to be those people, and that does not mean, as I point out in the book over and over again does not mean surrender your principles. It just just mean stand in what you ve always believed, stand in. What you know is true and in Urge others to stand with you win back is coming like to talk about the right path forward and to make fun of the people standing in the way they might not be able to save the country, but at least we can all go down laughing Glenn back lie the addicted to outreach toward on toward this ball back. This leads to stay up toper night. This is the glamour

Programme, this is what it sounded like on the streets of Portland just a couple of days because I really dont rollers wife. It is anti erecting a move in the right direction. I am nearly in trafficking waves, the premises, Harold Ryan, why North Carolina, the guy who shouting that Euro white supremacist is a white guy himself with with Antiphon meal guy who's whose declaring free of speech is with Anti. While he's trying to shut down somebody else's right

freedom of speech. America, who are we who are we Are we can learn from the Cavanaugh thing? Are we going to actually come back from the precipice. You know really fun. When people say gee. How dare you say there is a difference between man and a woman? There's no difference, in fact women should be on more corporate board. We should have a law that mandates that. We may we should have a law that mandates that Why do we need to have a woman on the board of directors? I'll tell you this America will be a different place of a woman. Were president. Well, yes, I happened to agree with that. Strange because That kind of proves that there is it Prince between men and women who are now that can be fun? You bet that's fun, but does

move anyone forward. Are we. Talking about anything meaningful today,. Do you know what stopped people in Poland from helping in hiding Jews. It was not the fear of opening the curtain out of a truck stopping at year in your neighborhood and that, if you caught looking out the window, that you would be shot as well. The real fear started long before the truck even pulled up. The real fear was that what you had heard, the rumours that they were true. And you didn't want to know. Because then you would have to take action and fight against it.

Or live with the knowledge and the shame that you knew it was true and did nothing. We are a nation now dismissing the violence. We are dismissing the calls for violence. Your dismissing the embrace by the media. And when I say we I don't mean all of us, there are some celebrated some. That embrace it that- ignore it. And some who speak out and feel that no one's listening. It depends on how you are speaking out because, if we're in this for changing p

those mines, we have to change people's hearts and that begins with us. So how do we do it That's what I talk about in the book addicted to outrage and were taking your calls in questions and comments on it. If you have read it Let me go to Anthony in Massachusetts. Hello, Anthony you're on the limit programme. Penguin Good, are you doing well so. Looking at you. You mentioned earlier that really The opposition party, the people leading us that leadership of the Democratic Party. I always had this right nitrate. With the Inter Party and Outer party and what I see happening with my friends? on the left. Is there our party members they work every day did not involved in politics, but they get sucked in on social media and being February admit a huge chunk of the american population being being pulled up, or the west. The green I wanna hear you thought about. I think

you're, absolutely right and it's why we have to be a different and unusual and peculiar people. On the internet, because if they see, if all they see are people on the right punching back the people on the left and both I'd sock while there are going to stick with what they know. If they are seeing their side being unreasonable, violent pvc antiphon the way answer Antiphon is not with the militant people they will come out or the Nazis to come out and fight him in the street. That is the moment before we lose our humanity. That is the moment that Martin their king walks through and just is, peaceful and gentle and you don't strike back? It works at this point, but this point is going to slip away quickly,

as we lose our humanity as they did in Germany, and you no longer are a judeo christian country with though, those kinds of peaceful values you The moment and then it becomes me, you know either communism are socialism. What's really the difference? Oh well, the leader says it's very different, so I have to kill all of the other group. You have to act while there still is a judeo christian value and we're losing it quickly. So too get to the far left, we'll never do that, but get to the people like you're. Talking about you have to develop ways to be peace. And not part of that angry crowd. It's what I ve talked about for twenty years. There's gonna come a point, wherever the semi running in a certain direction and you're gonna have to have your credibility. Kindness, you're gonna have to be able to stand up and say no wait. Don't don't go that way. You're, not gonna! Stop whole crowd.

But you'll be able to stop enough thanks. Anthony will send you a book. Let me Oh two were Heather in Virginia hello, Heather you're on the global programme. I got her you I'm very good eye over I agree with everything else, but I think its awesome. I want to talk about kind of a minor point. I guess again you're here, Talking about how I is going to come in, and you know the place, almost all the dots and- and I know you don't I certainly agree with you be. I bet you ve said that we need at least have a conversation about gaining ivy, the vet. Yes, I think we need to be careful about even considering you be I think that there really using fear. Aye aye, to try to come in and institute thence, which is something that they once pushes for social I think that a high while it will certainly change everything. Obviously you know we ve

to this end the path and all the other Nicole resolution, where PETE you know the one eyed, they were afraid that technology in a calm and directly spirts opt out their problem for it, and so I understand that it is definitely coming and it's gonna change things, but it's not going to take over everything all the jobs in our innovation August, to the people that wanted to create the machine? Think EPA I running over certain things. I just can't do like being fixing a leak your plumbing and your house- probably not gonna, do that as far as service. Obviously, I think Mcdonalds It is a great example were, I know everything people are gonna, be upset if they go into Mcdonald and not have to deal with any one, but chicks it is known for their service, and I make that. Let me ask you this limit.

This first of all, a just and I'd be theirs, dont mean any offence or anything I just want to know How up to speed? You are on this, what books are you reading on a I? What what did just a generalist or have you done deep on this year, I'm more of a general. Let thy son people work on this, don't coming to us a different perspective journal having them at the deep research that I know that you have your honor, but you just my feeling, like a high, is going to absolutely be able to diagnose answer quicker and more accurately the doktor, but are you gonna wanna, sit in front of a robot and have the robot tell you that you have cancer and explain your options, Kay, so Heather are there. There is aid there, and I can remember the name of it on the on this particular subject, but I will look for it There is a whole book based just on this

nursing is probably one of the jobs that will be the last to go. However, they are or to companies right now that are doing studies on emotions, the emotion of being able to detect. In someone S being able to reflected in face the reason why the with it. We old connect with robots is because they cannot see her emotions and read them and also reflect emotions in their eyes and in their face. So there companies now that are specifically just working on cracking the code emotional connection, it's but to take a while but a while is what ten years fifteen years in today's World that's a long while so there there are those those ideas that

are being worked on right now. You have to understand that the sis, Khan Valley is currently working on the utopian idea of what hundred percent unemployment no one has to work there. Everyone will be able to have. Plenty because robots and everything else will be able to manufacturer. This is differ, than any other technological leap than we that we ve ever made. Yes, we are going to shed jobs, and, yes, there will be other jobs that will be created, That is one theory. The prevailing theory is there is nothing that acumen can do that true a g I, and especially a ass. I will not be able to do much. Much including breaking the news to people because the idea is that that system will be able to go through every bit,

of information about the individual thereabout tell so they will know everything that they ve ever posted about. Let's say there, mom just died, they'll, be able see everything they ve ever written to their mom. Every text message to their mom. They will know the exact relationship and they will be a to temper the message: much better and much more personal than anyone, else the bigger picture, is on a sigh and doctors is, this will happen quickly. Already, and I can remember the name of the system, but it is in New York and you'll have to excuse me. I read about this about three four years ago: the New York Board of Medicine already has a computer on the board and they're doing is they are feeding in all kinds of information, and it it is not like a human doctor

best human doctor. That has seen a lot done, a lot really up on the latest research and all of the facts and studies and and his everything else. This has perfect a collection of it and they have found that it can diagnose. So better, it's I think it's fifty per cent for the doctors and its ninety eight percent for the computer way in advance. At what point, do we say I don't want a human to do the diagnosis I dont want the best specialist, I want the guy, be please so you have to understand that there is a fundamental shift that the world has never ever seen before and we're about. Who experience that shift between twenty twenty and twenty thirty- and the word will not be long It is to day you started your car,

and about the section of the book where I others, a chapter where I talk about you be a universal basic income. I am against Universal basic income. I do not think that that is the way we should go, but we, As conservatives must be willing to listen to the debate, and I am not talking about the people who are Socialists in Washington. I'm talking about the people who are studying he culture studying humans and studying technology together that are now looking for what is it that will give people value what is it We do hit high unemployment. If your goal is one hundred percent being Capital says we will have thirty per cent of unemployment and it will be a permanent thirty percent unemployment that so you know- is about the size of the great depression. When you have that house, stop civil unrest how'd you get people meaning and

How do you give people enough money to be to live, and and further their life? It's fraught with problems and even universal basic income. I think, MRS, the fundamental point that People don't want to live without a purpose and too many people get their purpose from their job specially men we can't join look at the money problem and you can't just of people stuff. If you give people say they value it less and importantly this. When you have a universal basic income. And seventy percent. Five percent of the people can work. What stops

people who want controlling power or just basic human inside dark human reaction. What stops that thirty per cent from saying will wait a minute. I don't have a job. I can't even get a job. How come I have to live on this and they have that be the same old story. We must have these conversations now and stop with the nonsense that we're dealing with thanks other for your call made a book out to you and it will be in the mail sponsor. Tat. Our is gold line. Stew Did you see the oh, my gosh Nicky Hayley is just resigned to do as yours, ambassadors, gonna jump anyhow. She she why? There's no word on that. Yet she submitted last week to present a trumpet Armenia and he accepted it. Why she's great yeah, I'm in They just be her choice. She may have had enough. I alot guys come in and they do a couple years and and

she's right, yes, she's been great, so there's no more on some big disagreement or anything like love point, but how she's been arrived at our? ok did you see the headline on CNN just a little while ago about how Donald trumps Donna Trump is now making the Cavanaugh confirmation and appointment political, always turn it into a big political issue of homework. It was a completely by partisan love fast until Donald Trump got involved, and yesterday bright yesterday was the big time bomb, Ike Hush, unbelief upon believe they will say anything I want to tell you that I was just outlaws angels and I met with the guy's a gold line and they were working on AIDS study and a report on that. When things that could happen if there is a democratic victory, if there's a Democrat

victory in the House and God forbid, the Senate. We are looking at a different world and at the next two years, are going to be very, very different. I've read the report and I am sending it to my friends. I want you to read it as well by gold and silver as an insurance against chaos, and I think report on what they say happens is realistic and it only adds to. Nick and chaos. I want you to get this copy of this report right now. It's free, you can get it from calling gold line at eight six six gold line eight six, six gold line you need, Information be informed of what our future could hold call now get the free report at eight six. Six gold language made six six gold line or gold line dot com. Taking your phone calls nowadays. It eight seventy seven be easy. Kay Let's go to Robert in Michigan, hello, Robert Mister

thank you very much for taking my call. I have not missed, we are I have not missed one EU shows for about ten years now, I'm like big. Thank you very much. Have you read addicted outrage I have not been quite frankly. That's why I'm calling it I'm hoping I was open. I could get anywhere so could get an autograph copy, Homelike Ashleigh using none on a draft coffee at the bookstore knew no help feed my poor. Our children. But yes, I will send it to you, so What is your, what's your point here, rubber that you calling about now, because I listen to you faithfully for quite a long time, I I I have a very similar mindset about ninety five. The eight percent of everything you say and as far as this country is concerned, I we are headed for some sort of a civil war. I think we're gonna implode from within as a country and I would

shock and I hate him I'll. I hope by saying it it doesn't come true, but I would be shocked if someone, especially after the mid term as if the Democrats do take over, I would be shocked if Trump President trumped is either not impeach we're out of office or God forbid assassinated. Don't own speculate on that with the President Robert. Thank you for your call. I wouldn't he is going to be. Pizza, they take the house, he will be impeached. Eighty will not necessarily be removed as they need to take the Senate as well, but he will be impeach. That's a foregone conclusion. Will you say you and be shocked at assassination attempts? Well, you shouldn't, be they tried to kill the GEO P Congress, the congressmen that we're playing baseball just what eighteen months ago ran Paul had an attack at his house There are already moving in that direction:

Nicky Hayley has resigned as the ambassador to the EU and will have more on that. Coming up, also credible our we tried to take seven people and put him in a room all of them from different backgrounds and try have a reasonable discussion about guns? Can you get all there viewpoints into a room, the entire spectrum, and Them to agree on anything regarding guns: it didn't turn out the way we expected it. It actually. Taught us something really important that we have that coming up next hour as we sent re as, but all out to do our evil, bidding let's go to Kelly in Oregon she's got Bessie Kelly. How are you

they're back. Are you doing I'm good, but I dont have antiphon running cities in my state, so I know I know it's a little bit scary here and alert again. I wanted it. It is actually I live inferring scale, which is all about working served in other places, but I wanted to say thank you for your book endless nature on audio, so it's a lot of finally did a great job. Thank you. I wanted to say thank you for your efforts to it and the food section Lucifer that's a little misleading, because I think I talk about food. Let me tell you what it is where, where are you taking the Mcdonald one enemy, deep, everyone flavors Falcon, rabid waning, president drunk I have been able to use the references in saying that there are some good.

Is about him to my liberal friends. You don't have to like everything about them, but there are some good things, but when you I'd mcdonnel, but when you like the French try, so you don't hate everything Mcdonald, you like the fries right, and so I ve been. Can I use, but in a joking way, an cotton to get them to maybe see you got a better idea, a little bit like him personally, so it is really enjoyed that your book and being able to use that act like a laugh about with a laugh about food, and so did he tell you. Thank you. Thank you very much. You stay strong in Oregon. I will send you a copy. The book signed to you. Listen the The point I made in the book about Mcdonald's is its one way. You can tell if people are being disingenuous. If you have

nothing good to say about someone I mean nothing. Everything is bad. Really, really I mean even even people who You know I would try. I have to say something good about Adolf Hitler, the Autobahn, the Audubon. Ok, doesn't really. Our balance are away the other. But ok, you kid anything and I compared the news coverage to a bunch of people who are just telling you that everything Mcdonald's sucks everything they don't mention that they ok, but I gotta tell you the prize of the best fries ever if they can't admit that Mcdonald's fry is superior either. If they hate everything else, they're, not an honest broker. They're, not an honest broker in Scotland, Egbert Muffin too, by the way

the enemy griddle I could go on and and I could have- but I Didn'T- let me go to Erin in Indiana, hello, Erin, a Glenn what an honored is to take with you. Thank you, Sir after reading the book, I may I add, Roller coaster. Right, I'm different emotions and the claim that struck me. The most is the algorithms that are being programme, You know retaining life and death as an agent. I haven't you heard of it before your book in no way. Speaking about it, it's kind of a big one. Isn't it I'm trying to remember what is called the? What? What is it from MIT Stew member? I brought that in How I carry RO at the name of it is now from MIT, but mit is now doing research.

Which on who lives in who dies. It's basically the complete live system, except it's going to be for your auto drive, car it will be able to know who's in the car who's on the sidewalk, whose in the crosswalk it will oh they're value to society? What their job is, how old they are? Are they sick or they well, and it will count late in a fraction of a second who dies who lives where by steer the car? That's being decided now. Are you involved in that at all Because I'm not that's pretty frightening, that's pretty frightening! Erin. Thank you so much I don't think you're going. You bet. Oh now, I never look at me. Elderly, then you, you know what I hear about these things. Then the edges saddens me that yeah the nation, you can't even get past them separately.

Let alone you know these life changing decisions being made. So You bet Erin. Thank you! So much Sean you read addicted outrage! Welcome to the programme. One read marry you very good yeah? What is it really surprised me? deleting it was you I went back to school at forty. You disable that he also I ain't a goin back in college. Ed. I ain't becoming friends what they really really we really liberal professor. I mean, de L b t t you. I've been really illegal and really really night right Ed. I could never understand Why nobody on campus could understand how we could be brought. You well

after reading addicted outrage. Now I get it you'll because we could sit there and we could discuss problem right. We can agree on the problem now. We could agree on how to fix the problem, but we could have been simple conversation between the two of us agree that it was a problem. No, nobody else could sit there and even agree that it was a problem so is your? Did you read the section yet about the unum? You I'm about half way. Ok, I'm going you gotta, forgive me abominable, but applying broad. That's that's why this fight weaken concussions through my military service. So thank you for that right now hurry we taking care of you as a country,

Actually, I'm one of the porch and at once, but beyond your back, I'm also a jerk about it and fight to make sure the day good they do. The right things ahead, Sean when you get to the Unum part, you will, I think, pass. We and I would love for you to call back and tell me if this is right. You will possibly understand why the two of you can get along. It's not because of that. I really want to know because I thesis is that we can fix this and we can come together but oh, if we only if we can unite around the things that brought us together in the first place and that The bill of rights that allows people to disagree and walk away from each other without hating, because you understand you have a right to believe that an

If you have the same item of the, today or western culture, which is you know, don't steal, don't lie dont. Cheat don't kill. Well, though, These things are what brought us together, our judeo christian culture. And our bill of rights. If we have those things in common, we can unite fortunately, the people in Antiphon do not have those things the Nazis do not have those things. I think the part these are disavowing those things because well it is take everything it. We have to do to win the people. If they're reminded. I believe they do have those things we just don't believe the other person has it as well where, we can find that in the your person, ten commandments, man forget about the God stuff

national gonna, kill. We couldn't sleep with. You know the neighbour, the neighbors. Why I shouldn't covet what you have you know all those things lie, cheat steal and the bill of rights, you have those we can fix. It find those people interested to see what Haliae Nicky Hayley has to say about her the nation we get to that. It is an interesting world. We're not gonna, have a problem with the tour lots of material lots of material, and you never know when these things you never know what kind of we have new cycle you're in a b and yet I'm? U have fun stuff

about sometimes don't not a problem anymore. You does not. This isn't funny providing plenty. Yet we can either laugh or we could cry so, let's get together and laugh, it is the addicted outraged. Tour the antidote to you. No other options of flight hang in yours living in a closet just crying yourself to sleep. Every night to get secular Dot com, such tour, canoe, San Antonio Houston, Dallas, Richmond, Hershey Pittsburgh Cleveland, Kansas City Evans will Tulsa Tampa in Orlando, and I've got some suggestions for the Democrats on whom they should run in twenty twenty. What their platform should be? Maybe some other programmes has. I believe I could out socialize socialists and so one on one ought to help them out. Just bet: you're helper, that's who you are liars and grab you think it's now Glenn backed our com. Slash tour sponsor this half hour is simply safe, home security, great security system, fantastic, protection really really easy to use

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I to get all of them to come. To an agreement on anything Will they listen to one another? Can you foster this? on? We learn something that we didn't expect. Were you surprised by all Stu yeah. It was it's an enlightening journey kind of through the because you could see that, It's not as easy as you wanted to be. He we all the other hesitations It was like about him dealing with people who disagree with you, it's hard, sometimes and like that, you know they say things that are so stupid if you like, and just wanna- and you you wanted to see me- I don't. I don't want to give away the, and I want to give away the discovery here cause it's not what I would have expected and in many ways you understand why it happened. You absolutely understand, but one side will not understand it. The other side will understand it.

Any fair person. Looking at the whole thing can go, It is an amazing science experiment really really is now can so. So what do you do with this We had him put together a group of people. The head him meet in some conference room- and just have a conversation with EL female? Were you know very liberal, very progressive? very conservative, very christian enough, all em all walks of life, and have a conversation about school shootings. We take you through that journey next, with the audio and re as joins us. It is truly its truly important and em and you will learn something really, I think important yeah

I mean you know, you usually don't force yourself to be any situations and that's why it's kind of the exact science experiment right like I feel I get. The sort of stuff happens less and less in America, where people are just like honestly trying to talk about an uncomfortable issue that, The thing that we will say about, like don't talk about religion or politics, is, like its Anderson, and I avoid him all the time scale by parties and success only deal with it, but it does hurt the way that we actually our ability to persuade people to our interview or maybe to learn something that we didn't consider. Well, you know if you were a missionary, the lasting you would do is go over to Asian, tell him how stupid Buddha is yeah and that's what we're doing the whisper after churches and signs over, like God, hates Buddha is not going to get a second Zack gonna work, and- and especially the laughed is using the Westboro Baptist church tactic- sire because it will you know, politics has become religion for a lot of people. We can't do,

you will not sway anyone. Anyone and remit somebody has been swayed. Who was the family member in the Westboro Baptist Church, how did it happen? kindness reason logic kindness, kindness, kindness and that for actually got out and wide awake now and sees the evil, but she couldn't let's see it, while the crew was screaming. You're wrong. You're gonna go to hell well, I'm going to hell what you're going to help, because you you know God, each this, whatever lay a different game. Play the winning hand you can find out all about it. It addicted to outrage the number. Since stores everywhere addicted to outrage, our science experiment back

mercury, going back is coming like to talk about the right path forward and to make via the people standing in the way we might not be able to save the country, but at least we can all go down laughing Glenn back lie the addicted to outreach toward on toward this ball back We want to try something a little different this hour. I wanted talk about a major issue, but I don't want to get stuck in the same wrought So let me bring it my friend Riots Patel, he hates the labels and said why cause I hate the labels that- and you know I have your progressive guy- a muslim immigrants lefthanded. How well I am too We would producer yes and there's no reason we should be friend know because of your labels. You are a conservative anti.

A gay anti minority. So you don't sweat amazing about that is those labels that I gave. You were actual things part of you. Mr President, you said about yours and I try to think that would be that even where, before we met yes, yes, I'm talking about before we met when I came in thinking, you were right and we became good friends and we still disagree on stuff many thing, but good friends when we met things, You have said changed the way. I see the country, the world, and I think there is real. Portance in having friends having relationships with people who think completely differently from because we are in this situation, our it's us versus them. Yes, and there is no them they shouldn't be because I think it's us versus the problem The problems are, it's all of us on one side, but the more demonize each other. The more feels like we're against each other, and there's no nuance: there's no new! Once it's either, I'm absolutely right in your absolutely wrong oh you're thinking that about me-

and this is kind of why we wanted to do this podcast. So the premises simple. Can we look at the things that divide us in a way that, from for an angle, maybe more human perspective, a more personal perspective that allows us to see the connections so gave you the impossible task, see if you can have a reasonable conversation with people on all sides, about guns guns, this this constant gun debate and the real we chose guns, because it seems like a funny topic for the first one- is that inspired by saw these school shootings that have been happening. We the same thing. We don't want children to be harmed is knowing we all want the same goal. How do we work together to achieve that goal? And so, this journey of exploring How do real Americans engage with each other? poor thing started with the simplest simplest sounds because your father and I am a father and this whole thing started, but these little voices, I'll try.

That's it who's to pointing out it's raining and that I need an umbrella tens. Little brother is one and degrees Generally speaking, I am a liberal, So this is the sound that the children of a liberal make as they eat pieces of french toast before school, and this is the sound of the children of conservatives make as they eat their breakfast sooner kids will intermingle and mix as we take them to school and, as they all say, their highs. I say my good bye and sometimes not every time, but sometimes when I leave. I think that

please don't let anything bad happen here. A thought sure all parents have from time to time, but when a school shooting has happened instead of coming together to make sure it never happens again, we divide this country. This would not be holding those sites are cowards and in the pockets of the hour I and we demonize each other even more in the endless gun debates that followed the gangs still that free loading them credit was much more concerned with moral issues way in our eyes a little bit of time, and we accept it. We accepted before long. We won't have to our approach to debating. This. Is u knows about the second amendment, an EU support mass killings and certainly there something in the Middle EAST. We all the same exact thing too

Keep all those french toast eating kid safe This was my question in any increasingly divided America. How do we work together to achieve the same thing? Keep our children safe at school. So Two weeks ago, I asked seven very different Americans to sit down with me and help me find an answer, and we did we found an answer, but it wasn't at all what I thought it would be. The answer, as it turns out to my complete surprise, is a single digit number, a number that was hastily written, not a pink posted, knelt and passed over to me with a handful of other as part of a kind of warm up exercises. The seven were just sitting down to begin our conversation. As you hear me, read all the numbers back to the group several weeks ago, licks three ten tat, or why why been mind, one of them

is our answer forward Let me start by telling you about the seven. I am a high school teacher mother of three boys, three teen boys. I am a virus instructor. I was a police officer in Arlington Police, the junior for thirty seven years. I wanted their politics to be very, very different. I would be probably considered constitutional conservative. I find the elder that I get the more progressive and liberal, but I become I am very much on on both sides. I always for the person that scarcely the list. I even wanted their experiences and feelings about guns to be different, less that those himself shot gun in the closet. Kids are not sure got a retired movie combat violence. We have guns in our home their locked out. I've never seen them. I don't want to sit down. Last me I started shooting I just says my dad has redneck bodies out my country. These seven worth thoughtful. Well, formed good heart.

People who all agreed to spend an entire evening talking to people. They didn't even know why? come up with a list. I wanted us to find a list, even if it was a very short one of specific, practical things that we could all agree upon to help combat this intangible threat to our kids that we all think about from time to time an intangible threat that Alicia our teacher in the room explained from the perspective of being inside the schools each and every day any time there is any sort of anything out of the norm at school, the kids get weird: they get upset, it's just a feeling among the entire school that something else dreadfully wrong, and I think it's all the country. I think I'm saying you hear a noise in the hallway when your classes, quiet in everyone's hide Turnus, was that awareness we began talking

the story of that conversation has two parts: the content, the stuff that was said and then the impact. What because of what was said so content. As we searched for the list for almost four hours, I'd like to share with you the three biggest impediments we came up against in this new era of communicating and communication, they're worth considering, remember same children same goal

impediment number one opinions outnumber people. I soon realised that in this age of unlimited access to opinions that, although there were seven people physically sitting around me, there were many more opinions and voices brought into our conversation. Listen to the following exchange between two mothers: Anna, a progressive and Mona, a christian conservative and see how many people's opinions and perspectives are brought into the mix other than their own. From my side, what I hear is: oh, if you dont, infringe on any of my rights, and I dont want any restrictions on myself and it's kind of an amazing. This is what you are, but this is kind of a debate. That's been in place and it's kind of like come on. There are reasonable ideas. We can come up with that's not going to inconvenience by and your right. There are probably solutions there and your reasonable, but that the leaders of our movement are not reasonable. Ass fast ass, wise at that, when there is a school shooting or a mass shootings someplace, the first thing we hear is: we need gun control and the energy is the bad guy.

So many other opinions and voices, most of them extreme, jumped right to our conversation on minute. Thirty, nine! everything was heightened from the get go. Denise are firearms instructor who almost miss the round table because she had food poisoning speaks about the problem with letting other people speak for us fly, amatory super agitators that are being the talking heads on the media speaking phrase thinking for me that our birth Bactra, that kind of craziness does, however, that man- and I would like to think that you know when I see these ultra liberal screaming about other stuff and calling But, like me, a gun nuts, and all that I would like to think that that's not representative of either. So how do we solve that problem with getting the people to stopping the ones that are out there trying to send a message? Because it's for me, I think it's the wrong one in its, not productive

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why have I said the things that I had said about President Obama and it wasn't the inflammatory stuff it was. Why did you think he was so bad, or why did you think that administration, so that an eye I gave you several stories and I remember going with the chalkboard Knesset. There was this story, you nobody. I had a story. This refers to any of them, you'd, never heard of any other than any of them and that the it was the beginning of my awareness of how loud and separate these echo chambers are, and that was a moment I was like. Oh no people, we think they know things We think they hear thing they don't they dont, and you know what, because of that moment, I redoubled my efforts to read their many times that I hear people say. Why I find that the times. Actually, yes, that's exactly where I found an idea. You know domain, and so when we talk of the problems we we have, those in common that, whether it can

my children safe, whether its drugs, whether it's the renovation of information from those, are big problems that we. To discuss the impasse Some quality of it has to happen because even though it was posting these awkward, awkward things, even though it got hot air difficult to come up with a solution where one side doesnt want it? talk about guns at all- and I'm sure you guys think that's all we want to talk about is now want to come. Take away your guns and that's not the case, impediment number two. We can't she, all the options? potential solutions may already be on the table, but we aren't even hearing each other. This exchange between Anna, our progressive mother and Shad, a libertarian father, shows this phenomenon. Our trying to say, as why were raised about measures are you? Are you willing to agree to just how

solve this problem and should really solve this an end, steps. Are you willing to tell the south sign onto the canaries project exile, which has worked very well in Virginia? So what As an response to project exile, what what does I dont know Project Committee: you committed a crime, the toy sentencing you got the top of the rock of target for prosecution, a practice tangible solution. Already you can do the same, but we all have a pie wait. This wasn't a one way phenomenon soon, after Mona or mother of three teenage boys was explaining our sons and their peers consents when a classmate may pose a threat and they're called school shooters his skull shoulder she sorcerer

that label, because everybody knows who is capable of doing that- I think that's what he had. I went where I mentioned earlier: the Red Flag laws. I ask that the purpose of those where you see a kid who is it like this kid, his trouble and that enables you to go in and remove the guns and the response from Elisa our teacher in the room, who had little it just been talking about kids exhibiting red flags had to say about the idea. I had never heard the term red flag LA. How is that impossible on my side, I hear the term red flag laws almost daily and campaign ads. But Alicia lives in a different state. Stiffer nights ago It's not about, whether you think either of the ideas are good ones or bad ones? It's about the fact. The other side has never even heard of them when we're talking about trying to protect our kids. Should Every idea be considered impediment number three, either or thinking this is

other exchange that fascinated me between Anna, our progressive mother and Mona, identifies as a christian conservative about but each of us can do now to help our children safer. I know I side is in a reach? now to my legislators and think this is what I want, and if the legislators refuse to take action is helping to elect people who will who are more in line with those thoughts and apps on your side. You can do the same, but we all have a part to play in this, and first is- making our voices heard it might be futile, but that's one step we can all take, but it's one step I can't find the right word when you take one step back and started a community level instead of relying on our legislators to fix this problem, so you go into the schools and you say to your principal retired marine.

And my two kids go to the school, and I really want to help keep this building secure at this is all I can do. I can only work within the confines of my life and my time, but I'm a and here I have expertise. I want to do something. How can we gather the parents in this school to help fortify the build? I think they're, probably there so many restrictions and issues against I mean I don't know- I'm not involved in the school system, but to broaches felt, valid and worthwhile to me, but in that moment it felt very either or and a little dismissive. And this happened a large jumping back and- what's between opposing ideas as opposed, spending time discussing integrating them or combining the approaches, and I just hope that divide over the first approach, the constant over election day does demonize us so much that we aren't able. We worked together on the second community level approach. We need both not either or

so those three impediments opinions out, numbering people hearing all the options and either or thinking where our biggest obstacles we search together for my list and as we talk Why would they have to be their wrangler? How can I help

yeah. I think I've not address the very large danger. We just kept running up against them, but then also you can answer while the dangers to the child and never got around them. There are weapons that we could then used to add that I got all the knights out of the kitchen to damage the cars like air and said to him in the room hour after hour. It was tense defensive in hot. The air conditioning was working in my premise: wasn't working like this: what happens a lot both sides with every time somebody gives an example, Moyo Socio other examples, not gonna work for them. Specifically, they turns its. Whatever conversation stupid list was only making us more frustrated the more we couldn't find it because, although there were so many moments of connection, it was the moments of disconnect that control the mood of the room. We already have the laws on the way we do we not their morning, five thousand other running. Let us all those going just point, and then it happened. The moon,

and I had been fearing we reached now, are you willing to put some years ago the bad? That's that's path, because you're not even willing to listen to the impasse soon after and are summed up how a lot of us were feeling coming in here. I I thought our chances of getting, lists together was was. I was more optimistic you know I see. Why would we are where we are today this sort of you and pass the conversation ended shortly after we all said good bye, can I sat in the room alone and texted my husband two words, you failed? I could not get the enemy lines to go away in that room either for a little while, but I was wrong. There's content,

and then there's impact Glenn Back mercury. How surprised were you that this fell apart, because to me that's where they all went right there. Yes, I was not just shocked, but personally got it back I've and all these people and with the best of intentions, I said: look out there in the world: no one's talking, let's try and create the environment with the seven of us that we can go has that we'll we'll know each other you're, all good people and I could I believe that with all that prep of them coming in that the guards went up and you because you're not abated, it's not the seven people. It's

all of the voices that are in each of their heads that they're all battling. I understand why he said what he said and cut her off, and it has nothing to do with the people in that room. Exactly people in that room could compromise Potentially hypothetically? Yes, yes, and so if that was their community- and it was only about them, they could come up with it the next day. I as you can get out of bed and well but my phone there were these flurry of taxing emails from people in the room saying, how did we miss, we all tried, we met, so what you find out well, what was interesting? With that, one of the text was an invitation from Denise. Our firearms instructor too, to Anna are progressing. Activists, mother, saying want to continue the conversation. Why don't you come down to the shooting range and we can- and so I conveyed this- and accepted in a second I'm shocked, and so the next day has progressed

the activist went to the shooting range. Base of the inner raise building to Caen,

the conversation with this firearms trainer and that's where we go now forced to think you try out very funny twenty two semantic hang on very low recoil. Then, as I somewhat nervously watch them engage each other woman, one. The memory of their interaction from not even forty eight hours prior was still pretty french got. All the knights out of the car care and set out tat night after I am glad they began this new conversation with basic you take the safety off because they say keep the safety on and then it depends on the type of fire this morning and then they started talking more specific city. This is Denise explaining some of the existing gun laws that don't make sense,

If someone were to hold this like this and pulled up against our shoulder, your now shooting it like a rifle scenario, in violation of the law and your technically Phelan, why would there be an issue you're holding it as a rifle? Why why? Why would it be considered illegal? Because now the the one of the pieces is not registered as a rifle and purchase it as such? So if you purchase It is a test all and now you're shooting it as a rifle they're saying that now you're in violation of the law again complete absolutely no sized and This happened as they were. Talking about bullets, strain lay much larger volume, tongues more powder, their says three away set out the typical hunting around say. You can just see the difference in the power and penetration between the bullets in the amount of powder that goes in them. The size does matter.

As they giggled over a size joke that was it the enemy lines work. They have any more between them. It was no longer us versus them and ever sudanese they were on the same side, just two people trying figure something out they had connected some girl. This is Anna coached by Denise. Do her first shot a well higher than others or stay linger out of a job and for the record, her shot was just off the bulls I enough words. They started talking specifics again, but there was a willingness to work together and the number of opinions to their own,

So it's ok rather than you and I like meaning in the parking lot purchasing the Gunnar wherever let's go to the license right, a background check on me to make sure you know that I'm not fallen, I don't have a history of domestic violence and central and then just handed Gunnar, so big early may be, and I were guilty until proven innocent inert. I mean I'm, not a hundred percent against has that's pretty much. Heidi is now I'm just saying, I'm like eighty percent there to repeat Denise says I'm eighty percent there, Anna excitedly, responds by saying I'll bring you over

but it's. What did me says next that got me for you committee. I command you figure out somewhere. I love that you come eighty. I come eighty, we figure out somewhere in the Middle one on one. There was a personal connection now Anna, who just the other night felt. So I see why would we are where we are today as its this, this sort of an up and passed now, not even forty. Eight hours later had this to say more say like eighty percent of it for all the same high, like heavy Asia issues may be seeking new laws, and or do we understand someone's different language? A nuance by Spain, in time with them in person

this is how Anna felt, when I spoke with her a few weeks later, come back and regarded half warm from five, a bond with the energy problem who work for the areas where half trainer, and so I went out with fat with a refreshing, the prize backdoor that got your ass back, but it gave me a glimmer of hope that ok, Lincoln, come from card has been agreed that the problem and always the other person the problem and always the other side Denise. Explain how the shifted free to come out to the range of pages pudding, toes in the world of another person and an understanding of actually getting to see. It were not for problem weeks later denise- and I spoke about her perspective on America after our time. Just a very combative a very argumentative environment and it doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be. You know you can agree to disagree on things, but you know,

What you're trying to find some things tat. You do agree on and I don't think that it is that hard isn't that hard, so question remained did we get to this point inaction and optimism? What happened in the room during the conversation with the seven that it onto Denise to want reach out to Anna and invite her to the gun range in the first place people being held in both of the boy. That's why I appreciate you is, I know there were. Others were not fail to see the site, and it was just not one doesn't eyes restaurant. Why did you feel that way? I mean that's why I started by defending her. That's right, the

moment of impasse. Now are you willing to put some years now the last that path, because you're not even willing to listen? No remember when I said there was more that moment than I had realized, there's Denise defending Anna by saying you can't do that to her so happened in that moment. I asked Denise later I just thought very angry bad sign. That was supposed to be sharing point of view. My respect there was being blatantly disrespectful clearly shut off. I mean sitting next to me honestly I wanted to defend her weathers. On my side. There cited it didn't matter in that at the moment of impasse, enemy lines had actually shifted some the complete opposite end of the issue became

I like allies Denise when there was a greater obstacle to overcome what greater obstacle so I went back to the idea of the round table and listen to attain implausible starting fraud. I don't get any of my right very reasonable alternative and there was once again and again the obstacle to consensus. So many of the times was the same person Rick Are you willing to put some years ago that it wasn't whose ideas the majority of the room shared his ideas on both pretty much everything? It was his approached the conversation she became the greater obstacle, many times. We would all agree to an idea, but in going around the room for consensus, we hit the blonde hair for everyone around, but the problem is here I am an hour to anticipating his block to a new idea, a rolling.

He knew he was playing doubts about that in our three here, I am again do you specifically because you're that you're not you're my nemesis right now, and then this happened now. Are you willing to put summers? No, it wasn't the car tent of what he was saying. Was the way he was saying it tension behind it, and that was because of his number the number he had walking ache for six three, ten tat, our boy. What remember those numbers as the sound guy was setting up as people were sitting down in sipping their water nervously? I wondered how could I measure the degree of hope that they were bringing to this round table? How could I get

their commitment to finding my list so just as audio started. Recording you hear me asked them. How do you think it is likely one to ten of finding some sort of consensus, some sort of us just ass, just ass? Would you honestly believe and then and then had to meet numbers were privately pass to me at the beginning of the conversation and never referred to again until it was time to leave three hours and forty six minutes later he was the actual moment the conversation ended and the numbers are revealed you'll hear Rick at the end stuff. It's a tough one. Can't wait to see what our numbers come out. What Curiously, it was eight four Six. Three ten

What one need is a nine was arranged point: zero, Jesse Rick the one we never had a chance. In fact, the next day he sent me an email saying quote: we us. I think this was a good cause, but the impasse is far too wide. A chasm to be crossed end quote a one will always diminish the hope in any given room just the way that negativity lately overwhelms whatever true hope there is out there. We have all been a Rick from never reason or whatever mood we been that person, but a one is very powerful thing, especially in a very divided America, so to me the ends. For how do we move forward and worked gather to keep or

Children safer is to be any number greater than one this is Denise at the end of all round table Denise, who went on to open up her world too, a fellow American, that she isn't a them Denise, his number is eight I'm loving sitting here in, like my heart is going out to each one of you for your? You know your your viewpoints and I understand it. It may not be one that that I, you know fully get on board, but I believe you and I know where you're coming from, and I appreciate that What is interesting is Denise has been invited by Anna to attend her progressive groups and, and taking progressive moms to the shooting range at the array to learn more love it. So the bridge is there. The bridge starts with just sitting in the same room. Sorry as and when I think about coming to a solution in Washington, I'm a zero. When I think about the american

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