Welcome to the important sounding number of the nervous. Podcast was the number five hundred. Hundred through scatter, so We got every one of our characters: bag for the five hundred episode. We got is gutter, indeed, not cheap men. That's all the money were No, this guy doesn't referring theology pussy talking, Jonah, hey, where's, other cocaine in pussy. I'll do what I levies separate mobile, didn't bother. One turn him in the back will your assets. It is shocking that ouch out and are but now I know I know that some people

It disappointed appointed. There's not like a super mega special for the five hundred episode. What I would say to that is its not that we don't care, but we really really does have enough time to make the three episodes a week that we pay. Out and- and so you know, but I please please please please. Please know that five years is a huge milestone for us and we absolutely, appreciate that if your long timeless nerve you ve just joined us or whatever it into the fact that we will, I still when I thought in the first week like we're going to run out of people for this pod gas like in a month, and that word episode five hundred and there are still people that I'm super excited than like. How can we work that guy indicate we ve got to do this on a few repeats? Yeah head. Fuller rebates, like this episode, does exactly that. If you are just joining us, let's get you up

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I got this continuity is like a memorable, that opening so much, I remember watching the special about how it was made. Yeah like the giant HBO letters and how they made it fly through space. I always over the neighbourhood that to me instantly makes me feel like I'm home, unlike a Friday and Saturday night and it's a weekend, lay off from school and I'd still, this real sense of, like I'm, cosy to watch forty eight hours, a gouty, shaggy man, I love that we just route constantly repeated, although this time they watched all of em every return so disappear. The pod, castor, Adam Corolla, returns the pod gas, with the very, very, very important situation that up all of us as POD Castro's anew the audience there some patent trolls who are trying to take over podcasting

a with with a a modified definition of a patent in in this project is opinion, and They are actually suing Adam Guerrilla and they're. Trying to they ve sent letters to a bunch of podcast and saying, like essentially the shorthand of it. My interpretation is pay. We and provide casting, were happy to let you continue podcasting for a small fee, and so it's of its kind of from my vantage point kind, gross business that their that their undertaking by going after not like big companies, but just do just people. We talk a lot about this with Adam and is actually knew every time It has been on its. We know what has been a lot of fucking around, but this is a more more serious at their way with Europe. You know like a handful of of wiener jokes, but

Adam, is promoting its fun anything dotcom campaign to help to feed the patent rules, because the legal process is very expensive, and this is what patent trolls rely on is that it's gonna be too expensive for you to fight. So you just pay up so feels like extortion. To me. I mean it what you want, I to say that it is or not, but it just. It just feels that to me, but you know I did some bullshit, it is some bullshit, so Eric governors, biogas episode, number Five hundred I know right where it is weird there would be a l fire episode, EL to any Romans listening aromas.

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But this is your third or fourth time. Third, fourth, through enhanced, we have yet, as you were on our second episode, maybe you'll like it Dick goes way back and you know, Katy Levine, because she used to work for you. That's right known as blaster girl from back in the day She had a nickname, oh yeah, what Esther girl come from to do a lot of people. It took a lot of hits. You know in the upper anyway. She worked here during the page. Turn the page on reset recent letter. Let s start know, and I now with the internet. Everything is hard to forget about the past and obviously you can look it up. I can tell you about the past. I mean Kyle much darker passees cease loved and laws. I mean look at those eyes. You can see you're just staring into the abyss of emptiness, though they Shea like when Robert Shaw was talking about a shark havin dolls eyes down, I mean that's what you're

Kyle has Kyle hers ripe for they bite it. Just roll back yeah. You got that the only we can kill Kyle as if we can get him to jump up and chop on to some electrical wires was that it was that as to yeah yeah who was a little less and then that's how it by taboo, if we already know, if you already know it's going so we just have to disguise the booty Let me say this thing about all that enough, superheroes and James Bond and everything like. Let's just say, you had a power like a really powerful jaw. Ok, you know domain. I still do you like, if you were locked out of your car, you would try to eat your way. Are you still call AAA? We always like. I skip rope really well, but if I have a problem, I dont introduce

RO. Well, you know and undermining how on your waiting for AAA before you're, like mildest, by my way in my way and by saying that every superhero premise, whether you can stretch out or set yourself on fire with run a million miles an hour, the the ram. To whatever the situation is, as I'm gonna run, a million miles an hour is right, but maybe it's just you gave your girlfriend Herpes cause dating somebody else. How is you running a million miles an hour going to really impact that get away from the situation and then you won't have to deal with as much like you know. A dog doesn't make eye contact with you and it thinks it ear. It thinks you can't see it if it can't see you at the same, the thing you just run a million miles an hour or so wretch away from the situation. I'm just saying it's kind of convenient that everybody who, as a superpower, its use like nuclear power, comes irresponsibility of those are my words. Those IRAN comments, but what I'm saying is, as you know,

really look at most problems. You gonna senior life like you're gonna, be audited by the hour. Ass really. Are you having the Billy did stretch really far without work? Yes, your stretching the their stretching the the budget's you're stretching the now you're getting a symbol is under saying watching the right of slogans say like a nice guy would be like your dad's. Return is even more of a stretch them if you're jaws from from not the movie but Jaws from the bond bond movies and up on a veneer cooler, and there was a cable. I would feel it can acetylene cutting rig or hacksaw, or a saws all would be better for cutting through the cable than chewing throw it. Even if I had a superhuman chewing strength, I would use it for it meet. There was overcome

and other challenges lower. You could, you know, go on. The food network can be like I'll eat any food by hour to any food and half. I would probably do the geek circuit with like Jim rose you mean, like, you may rely literal gig. You mean like from the from their from its root word Ghek, like circus freak, the I am old school yeah. I mean this ice. I am the same with queer by the way I do. I mean it is weird, not not outweigh the aging way one. I think I think you, if you had the, if you did their power like some kind of really cool, Techno Circus, where your biting their heads off robotic chickens, would be really. That would be something I could see that on spike. X, x, ex citizens robotic chicken gigs brought you by Jim Rome and in Morgan Rum me.

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FR as nowhere corn was their signing a million cities and shed do him. How often need tour- and he said I tour light- in our and fifty days out. The areas that I says has gotta be ass could be tough on family right, and he said now on my my wife. She goes she's she's. She travels with me and I said, oh that's why? I guess that's good, yet my wife and kids come with massive, that's good. And then he said she's part of the act, and I said, oh, what did she do and he said issued fire out of her vagina like I was then like was whether you go and then occasionally a couple kids, the occasion compliant yet, and I thought how pissed is her. Ghana colleges like, like you know to me, because you're going to kill just be like look you're eating too many eastern foods, and you got it. You know you're gay, you gotta start using cotton.

Annie, I know you think they're lycra ones are cool, but it needs to rebut shooting fire out over China. So category light ahead shaken when I went crazy and I've just this is crazy. We have you felt it has. There been the fire near your baby. I don't know either woods with items data sharing down on your pelvic areas. This is this is what I would call like. Well done, this is not me, I'm rare or even year, vagina smells like. You know that on the phone of July. When you come across a pickle, o, p smell it s, a kind of weird sulphuric birds, but you really shyness scenario. I do not you little piece of hamburger that fell. Under the grating calm down there, and then you just it's. You got a right, it smell yeah yeah. Does it seem familiar to you in any way of you? Why would you smoky the bears ass? Some

de what I would call intrusive question is about you're up you're you're you're genitalia. As this sound familiar, I gotta say I like smoke. Ok, if a recasting the sketch I like smoke, the bear as we're gonna ecologist. You light your vagina, although I feel I have to put the shovel down any kind of colleges way than with only knows what that big stage of all. You know what which will later flathead. I gotta call you out on this you're being very critical of a by penal sentient there, then shovel down like just let him do the job that he has in a way. He knows how I'm saying these speculators is enough Katy. I think you're back me up guy shows up at the weird they. Actually I think it's actually it's it's smoking, his brother snazzy the bears, and is he who is like now, that's my brother. I went into you know and I wanted obstetrics. You know he. He was these outdoor z and I am like look.

Pussies veto right. This is why you know, I guess I still use the shovel, but I also We have another brother who plays base and the Hare bear. But by the way we gotta wrote him off says allotted diverse, not a drugs. There were worse, really short alike. You know that in Stein, family and I'm talking about Albert Brooks, and yet day. Super Dave, Super Dave and then his brother runs like one of the biggest advertising firms. Are all genius lad, arrange, though, in their genius snazzy it's nearly there? they look identical though you wouldn't know I mean it might as well. Blogger, but dont- think snoozy hasn't gotten laid a few times do like only you not in the Euro zone, because he has had a blow to our code of conduct. So you don't do it with one of his patient now now, not while they were, you know, but not above like putting on the ranger hat and going out, and you know the sure,

this travelling there than leave would probably have a couple of Sharm embarrassed to always shading words, right away, so much harm and bear pussy for snoozy the bare how how quilted does the thing you wipe your ass with need? you like just how commercially, when you're shooting out chunks of human, like those bears, probably very quilted. What's a good boy like down quilted almost well, yeah well you're eating. Basically Early they're just salmon, pluck straight from the stream or a guy with huge calves in a ponytail who used to be your best friend and a girl Fred. You gotta Digest is why she probably has a real outdoor z I'll bet you he has a kind of watch. It was still working after shit out like it's. That good is my record. I was the guy whom- the fact that watch. That would be my argument like us in other guy,

your braggin that they can in scuba dived down two hundred hundred leagues. Yet we were eaten by there and then she had our still working months later found of odds and still works Helga, yet, as other would he's a doctor, but ultimately the Le Baron, you can't you know he keeps the. He keeps it out of the office, but still I am horrified by this bears, who were sitting in the woods and wiping their asses the toilet paper and seem to derive way too much pleasure. No human should derive that much pleasure from wiping, If there s no- and I never I've never felt like I was that uncomfortable like in I feel like of white. My ass with you know, pages from Thomas Guy that's where you do them now get out now. That's really all you can do with them, but I mean have you pick a sorry, but I'm a pick. A part of this Fernando valid. I don't know anyone, God forbid

ever gonna this place ever gonna just to argue in eleven pages out of it literally is this: is it anywhere g? Seventy two lay. I have four just ruined. He sunk, my balance. Maybe it's because bears are so used to wiping their asses on trees that anything. That's not. Bark is pleasure. I don't feel like I've ever seen. Bear shit of I have said many times: here's some kind of phenomenon. I get a good bird. She had on my car all the time, but I've never seen squirrel shit in my life. I've never seen a squirrel taking a shit and I've never stepped in squirrels and I ve never been sitting under a tree part and when God dammit nice girls, a robots put it by the governor, you gonna Bio Shits, often a general circus. That's right,

I'm saying is like I've seen every almost every time you like like take it's weird but like take a rabbit, I've seen nine rabbits in my life and everyone. Every time they ve been shit. That's a very small number. That's a very small number of reverence that you know you ve seen. I don't know rounding up. We are refusing to round up my rabbits. Why she, a tenth I'll, tell you, but I've seen nine and enough seen as a share of certain areas acknowledge Zena, why we I've seen two hundred thousand world, into my life, that I've seen as everything a squirrel, shit, shit and then the other day till it. You guys think about this. I was, I was walking around through the hills of Hollywood. None of those fire trails is enough and they go all the way up down and through Burbank and Goin down everything and I was walking my dog Molly and my mother, my dog, merrily, took a shed its work with my daughter, my dog. I got down to start cleaning up, molly shit and while I was

clean up. My dog shit. I stepped in horse shit and I thought oh yeah. These are horse trails and then I went love hate him. How can the horse, get to shit wherever they work as they should bigger than anyone that shit bigger than anyone and they shit with impunity. And you get terms damn and they get to shit. I walk next to my dog and have to clean up a chair. I wrote my dog. I think I feel much better about but she had every once in a while like pay off your pain gas you'd, want to run alongside your car. You're gonna drive it right. Well, so you not only get a ride, this beast, but this be shits with impunity and it's the biggest shit there is, it falls right on the ground and then I know why Why, in a world filled with regulations, especially California? Why not that that day?

He bag that hangs on the back of the horses echoed through central power. I not hopped up. Well, listen! I think. I know I'm sure you enjoy money, and this is an opportunity for you to create. No one has made the please curb your horse sign in that they try to the giant. You know to let people know that Why am I supposed to do? I we start. If I had a pegasus, I would shit on people's health. Is that I didn't like. I would, but I mean from like tooth and feet, and I mean it will sure car hooligans of like it fucking shit asteroid like you literally coming through the roof through the ceiling into the basement here and then, like later on, they'd, be like Corolla. You pegged Shit Pegasus she had on my house again and I'd be like you'd, think on my thinking,

Maybe you'd do not you think good for the society with that Pegasus, but you just. Why would start that way? But eventually, I would you know feed him, like you know: Navy beans, Pepsi, I'd go find my enemies and this gross shit on their car. You would own you would own everyone from the air with your bag, edit, the it be it we ve it be funny too, because like it, if you and I ever gonna like a verbal disagreement, I'd be like we stood rather than accurate. Why, why won't forget me raffles, sometimes I see it one of about two thousand feet in the air and even listen, I'm sorry, ok, I'm sign and whenever it at have one of my fuckin Beck and call. But you'd have to practice, though, because you'd have to first of all, you would have to get the Pegasus to shit on command. That's a whole series of that similar raining? Then you would have to aim properly yeah. I need after count for it.

Or go in thirty knots or whatever your two thousand feet near that shit's gonna carry a city block was or it may have got old mechanical game when we were kids that was sort of like a dubbed Bob Dive bomb game where we are and then you would riot drop the bombs in Ryan, I carry yeah, I mean it's, it's it's! It's old is you every war. I mean these. It's that thing of you're trying to bomb Berlin and you're trying to do from thirty thousand feet- and you gotta know when to let things go because you wanna hit the ball bearing factory- and I dont know why Paul bearing for so important back that but anyway thing would carry thirty miles in the air in planning and a lake. Yet or an orphan age or a nunnery or something, and so I wouldn't want that for raffles. You now

That was the Pegasus name. Be ironic. Yeah data could see what I can be a small. That's right. We are: that's, raffles damages our lab at all, my god. Other rebels was like a jack rustled area. This is a full blown pegasus yeah. That means that there are peg aside now named years. Raffles yeah and, like I said, I wouldn't overtly, threaten people, but I this be like the oaths and works is no yeah you're right, I'm gonna resale right, I don't argue who's out. If you don't have that out today in an indoor covered, Permian Paleozoic, whose house would you should on would raffles should on first, I think I would find those patent trolls that are suing me out in Texas in under insurers. Staying for staying, yes! Well, I am glad that we who did a smooth. We reach twisty attorney, we transiting a dive,

into the next topic, if you will be worthy of raffles him herself yeah. I know it's it's a he ok yeah. This is. This is a very serious thing. That's happening in our world. That term then some patent drollery has on after podcasting. Now which is a really strange it it's a strange industry to be attacking, because normally the patent roles from what I understand will go after very large companies and they get these sort of wretched. They get these retroactive patents rather somehow granted. They know, I don't know if they actually make thing, but they get these patents and make money and its way- and there are big companies- are go. Oh here's a bunch of money to go away, but right broadcasters are just goods right and I dont know you know I I I don't see, I think they are throw out a gill mad and there like we're going for tuna. But if we catch

you dolphins, in their like, we don't really care like their whole thing, is just shot gun yet will buy some patent and then will to send a letter to everybody and will see if we get anything out of it. Now they sent a letter to a lot of people, Mark Marin's got a letter. I am not sure if you guys got a letter. Emotional by a lot of people have gotten like vague letters like that are sort of impending doom letters, but we ve actually been sued. Witches the next step pass the lily, ballsy step

It is I dont think day. They really thought it out, because I think we're gonna turn popular opinion against them, not that patent trolls work rate if you'd be smirched. The good name of PAN trolling good day, but you know we talked about this in the past in the plan, is now that I have a trial day in Texas coming up in September, and the plan is get all the pod cast together. Do the fund raising thing use, the money beat the path. Trawl and then have them go away because I'm assuming, if they beat us or they win or we cave to them, which were not planning on doing? I think it's gonna open it up for that. It's pretty! It's pretty insane like when you think about where you go. All that could be a real thing. No one can actually be trying to own podcasting from you know, right, an old

it does seem to be that's what someone's trying to do. Well, they at least one a percentage and with me they D said Gimme three million dollars. She hit us I have three million dollars, but I wouldn't give it to you anyway, because you don't have anything to do with this endeavour by their whole. As they know how expensive it is, the litigate these cases and they hide behind that And so they just go, we don't want to see a day because that's going to toss concertina dough and I'm in this position of I mean even if they said lock, forget the three million, let let's just call it. More than fifty grand you ve gotta view they really shouldn't get anyway. It's still like a weird like a year. I could get em,

origin, my house and give it your very grand, but for what like? What are you doing and then you really without sounding overly dramatic. If I just said, look, here's here's the size of my business, here's thousands of dollars, please go away. They would use the same pattern to go after every. They just find the top hundred podcast on tunes. I imagine and just go right down the line, so this company had nothing to do with the creation of I mean I don't even know how, like a podcast is essentially just a form of digital media rights. So how do you? How do you patent, podcast and not like any recorded audio on the internet? Well, they claim, and by the way I just tell people time look if they can sue was and be successful, probably ever

think on Youtube, and I too, nothing is, if I ever because potentially opens the door for oh well, that's really just like digital media and that's most of what an or taken is another way that, but since television is still is digital, oh they're, they're, coming after everybody. Their whole thing is a sequence, sir. And I'm a lay person here, but it's basically, we didn't invent podcasting and Weedin invent you know new media or any other stuff. We just have this sequencer thing, meaning when you have a noticed, show come out on a Tuesday in and out on a Thursday and then following it, and then you go online and you see that it's in a certain order. Oh, that's us! That's our path, but that's most of the internet. I well I'm that's like trying to patent. Tell us! That's! That's like going o the idea

of broadcasting television. I that's mine. I own that, like no core, how could any court ever say? That's, ok! No! I don't believe that any court would ever say it's ok. I don't think they believe that Any court would say: why did they go? The pang sick basically play less well, I think what they do is they. They buy patterns that we're probably meant for something else, and then they go like. But how does this? How can we shoehorn this into something else like? How can we make this work in another application and they don't half dead all they have to do is have a vague resemblance of something that you may use or whatever, and then they. And out their letters. Now, since the litigation is million and a half dollars the hen they get to go.

When are you don't want to do that and then the ago, while nobody wants to do that, had an ego good, let's, let's see we can deal with and work out here so it's animals and secondly, the bathroom like the old mob. It is like you want a brick to fly for this window. Well, I mean, if you think about it most of our lot of things are sort of loosely based on the mafia, higher ass, a sort of hate to have to send you to present right and for that I can pay my bills of you sent. We can do arrived, so ever they asserted in this country there. The there. There earners and then there's two people who started getting between the earners and try to wet their big Y know the patent drollery is, will issue, and I know that Obama spoke about it last year and said that they that

needed, legislation that prevented this kind of thing from happening is with the explode of media and all this all these new territories and technology- and you know it it it does. I feel, like a court, would have to say like all right look. This is the way people are making things now. You can't retroactively by some minnow, even sort of related idea and horn it into this and try to own media. Like I feel like some, Judge somewhere is gonna be like. Are you fucking kidding me? How could you possibly here, I you know- I really do feel like fifty percent of the cases, the before almost any judge in these in this world, not in talking about in the Hitler manslaughter. But these kinds of cases are based on. Are you fucking kidding me, but does the person who you're saying do you

I'm kidding me: do they want to go through the one year process in the one point, five million dollars in the trips back and forth to Texas Right of legal team and the conference calls and the emails. Or do you just want to cash out but if anyone gives in then it makes their case stronger oil. It certainly does, and it certainly gives a momentum, and I have no idea why I'm the only one has actually been sued right now by Ike. I can tell you that they're not stupid, they know what podcasting is. I imagine there. Just gonna go down the Itunes. Listen just start suing everybody who ranks anywhere up on that last packages, just even your soul, you just gonna go back

be allowed. How could that be allowed? Wouldn't? Isn't it so obvious? Well, what's happening, the problem is the where society has been set up, it's not gonna, be they can't win. I can't imagine aid when, like you know, if they wanted me to testify, even though what I would say I just go. I record a file and put it up on Itunes. Like I don't know what you want me to tell you seen any these people dont over this patent is by what to get to that point. It's a million plus dollars and that's the plan. So what were attempting to do and it's kind of a good story, things kind of like a very american story, is get all the people in the Pine CAS community together. Who ask their audience to support this. We're gonna use every penny of it to fight whatever's laughed all, go to you, no kids without braces or make it

foundation or like whatever. Whenever we want, we were there. We want to put it toward, but it's all going to fight these guys and then once we beat them, I can't imagine them coming back for around too I mean because if, if they, if by some weird chance, they win, it could compromise like our podcast, we just go away because we will be like. Why can't pay you? You know. I have this theory because back to your mafia theory, which is, they probably have a sliding scale, meaning they're going to charge going to sue. I tunes for this march in Google for that much and Chris Hardwicke and Mark Marin for this much but kind. The base,

men of his moms house in Wisconsin. We're gonna, give you a break but either way they'll be some give us twenty percent of what you bring it in yen and will be your partner. I mean that the crazy thing about it, though, is that it's not that in general, it's not like podcasting makes so fucking much money. That I mean, I guess look it's awful, but I like, I can see if you know, if I were a patent role and I was like all going to go after Adobe or I'm gonna go after Amazon, I wouldn't think I'm gonna go after people who, basically just by really cheap, recording equipment and record some

and put it up for free. I would never occurred to me. It is, and I think I'm going to go after those people. I would go after the big sort of faceless corporation. Let me add, in in acoustically unsound environments, act now to learn the room have given us out of this. By the way is the worst kind of room to record and half the room is brick and the floor is concrete, so end and the ceilings. Are Oh so it's it is. I've scanner would be pejorative here, but raffles stall is nice and ass. I thought of me Well, you have to keep their Pegasus happy one on our own commercial accurately, yet on on command. So what were we ve ass ever want to do is: go to fund anything dot com, it's right at the top of the thing and you donate, which can and it's all gonna go to fight the trolls. Mean and it and you know if in donating it sort of feels like hey. This is fucked up and wrong. Remember that the whole

Situation is fucked up in raw me like if it feels like. Why do I have to pay money for this like exactly you shouldn't have to pay money for that? Someone is based. We're trying to you, know four of a better word steel money that they don't deserve. No, yes, yes, no one on the same way like all I can do. I will all never break even I'm already, I've already paid. Fifty thousand dollars to attorneys to try to get the venue moved from Texas. Just they have they. They work in a small town in Texas, it's like favourable to them. Judges isn't that a lot of doesn't alot of patent drollery come out of this a command of text. Oh come on guys, it's it's! Basically,

guys are lawyers in their out of Manhattan, but they hang a shingle in we're in Texas. Is that I'm looking at my guy? Well, we'll figure out the name it, but the hang, the shingle up in taxes, their attorneys fees? They are attorney so they're, not don't charges that much pro bono work for themselves and they have the judges in the jury's and that in the the it's big business for the town. Essentially, so they work out of a town. Well, what what my people are saying is my business isn't in taxes is a boma. I heard it was another town for some reason. Good job, blaster, aka Job Lastra, either either way a wife I go to bomb on taxes to fight this thing and why should even

place in Burma taxes, so it's sort of feels like it should be in a different venue. In the interests of fairness, you shouldn't have to come to somebody. Back yard, where their first nail you all NATO with the judge, should have to go to the place that issued the thing. Because you know they already think it's the way it should be yeah, so you should go to a completely neutral, even if you had to go to Nebraska to just be in a neutral space. Right to let someone who has no interest in any of it right. So fifty thousand dollars later were arguing over where the venue is each one of these things. Words like people to say to me, like my it must drive you insane like. I can't I it it's like. I cannot choose, I can't think of

it I've thought about it. No go areas are going going insane, but literally haven't you figure out where we're going and I'm fifty thousand dollars out of some wended that wended do we have information on when the patent was old and why was it only filed? Why wasn't only recently where some was like a like? I shouldn't on that now. I think they file that no eight or they purchased it. No eight. I can't. I can't recall I really I have been shielding myself from from a lot. This information, much like you, know, a a survivor of the Holocaust who just did not want to go back and take that tour vouch. What's it like I just like I don't. I don't wanna know just tell me who to write the Czechs do and will do it as fast as we can and will get through this, but they they they ve done. This to a number of businesses is just pod.

Thing is now on there, but the problem is that podcasting, a sort of gateway, as we said before, and so it feels like if we are able to get away with it, the the it it could be. Crippling for just digital media. In general I mean we can't just your own up medium, you oh well, dear ears, the thing I may without sounding wildly cynical: how long do you think the man and when I say the man I mean, like lawyers, the beak waters, to people that don't create anything and don't do anything, but they get him between people who are trying to do things and go hey where's, my cut how long were they gonna stand on the sidelines and watch people go off and do what they do on governed by them? You know what I'm saying like so Whole podcasting thing in this new media thing just being on the internet just doing what we're doing

doing when others are doing the guys who are the beak wet. You're standing back on what the fuck my beak is bound dry. Like that, how do I get? How do I get more? but this new go well. You get funny, get popular get a following, and I like I'll fuck that my wife hates me, everyone hates me. How do I make money? all of this, and this is the way they figured out to enter into this and to get to went in to make money off it, I mean. How long could you imagine the lawyers the suits sitting around watching the artists go out there. Rather two thousand. We get it but we're right, but I really hope. I really hope this is something that you know like the Reddit community wooden brace in the same way that they embraced the fight of four against Soper or or you know, to keep net neutrality, because

again. This is a very similar situation where a a body of individuals is trying to take advantage of something. That's really unfair, and ended and again in the effects, could beat the hip. The effects for digital media and creators could be pretty pretty devastating. I agree, and I also think it could be a nice watershed moment where a podcasting sort of was on put on the map, because you know. I had a good friend of mine, get divorced, and he said to me: Jesus Christ. She wants fifty grand a month are like spousal support and I said well you know you have arrived when my parents got divorce. My dad didn't give fifty cents

so like you know, you ve arrived when you're getting sued by a pan trawls, I'm flattered and my own, but ass back and remind away but beyond the handful of pod cast that are able. Some money- it's it's not just like. You know what I hope. People not come away with, like we're fucked up I've been, you know their make money they should you know it's like this, that the idea of this is wrong. The idea of this is simply is, is unjust and beyond, yes, agreed will trickle down, in effect basic, like gesture, your entry level com. Creators and I really do believe it's a gateway into other other forms of media. Besides podcasting, I two, and so what I think is that, hopefully we can take these lemon make some lemonade out of it, which is get some media. Behind us get some popular opinion behind us, get sort of the guy who never heard of podcasting. Before now, he's aware of this he's aware of May

never heard a pan trolls, maybe never heard a podcasting. Now here's the story, it's wrong, a thousand different levels. It's not even a thing need to know about new media podcasting or pan trolling. You just use here story of my already, even if I weren't a pod, castor, it's the kind of thing that I would sit at home and be fucking mad about like are you fucking cause? I haven't the aid, the idea of trying to profit off people in a shifty way when you didn't earn that the US. I mean it be one thing if it was like. Oh there was this govern. There was this body of people and they you know from since day one they created this medium, and everyone knows like this is just the thing that they created and you should be there is then you what kind of ok well, while I guess, but to come in later and beyond that. Wouldn't that wouldn't this, if they succeeded This wouldn't does make.

Nobly over a form of media like even would would antitrust law even allow such a thing to exist, because there's no, if you try to own all of pan, casting right through a backdoor technology patent, isn't there's no competition. So how is that leading antitrust laws. I'm not a lawyer, so please, I'm sure, you'll tell me why. That would be the case. I I think what's happening for the first time. A weird way in our society is, I feel, like our government and Congress and even the president, are chasing media and in chasing technology and trying to kind of catch up to it. Sort of trying to figure out what to do with it? You know the internet just kind of landed on us and started going off in a thousand different directions at once, and I feel like the governor.

And is going. What do we do with this thing? How do we regulated? How do we tax it? What do we do these? These questions come up all the time and when it comes to things like patentable you the notion that just a few years ago, just ten years, hey these guys are going to buy a pans and apply them to pod casting excellent, say what the FUCK's apart cast out of it. So there's no way that anyone has a crystal ball income press they have an old leather shoes that they just sniff for inspiration, and so there are always going to be like a decade behind whatever rose on, so these guys will do whatever they do. It's kind of minds. We have like it's sort of like when a new drug comes out like when ecstasy out, like isn't illegal know why cause it didn't exist and then

while people, oh dear, whenever and then eventually like the government by catches up goes, I this is illegal and some of that stuff. We agree with some of it. You don't when it comes to stuff like this, I think the government Obama spoke about it, no be bills pass and things like that they will catch up to it, eventually we're just at the very beginning stages where they don't know what to do with. It feels like it feels like it to me. It feels like a part legal process. Part criminal part, bullying like it feels it feels very much like a parasitic. I guess in the sun Well, nobody likes, I mean, I think it's it's it's very. Anti? Sir, just American, but but human like I have an agent and my agent makes ten percent, but he gets

more than that that went on that makes up because deal. So everyone goes what about James? Maybe I'll Dixon he's taken money, he's not telling jokes her showing up on I'd tv or whatever the process, but hee hee hee serves as a function in a purpose, and I think we all agree on those people in our life and also I can choose to have him in my life or not my life. This is a fourth party whose entered the fray and just says pay me. Well. I think I think you know, I think part of the problem is that its podcasting and podcasting isn't a means as much as we all know it is it's not such a part of the cultural mainstream that people would go. We have to protect that because I don't think you understand what the applicant

Things are and how big Lang when it starts, if when, if it worked and as I said, gateway and other forms of media, digital media and it started affecting that than people go, that's why this is important. I think, if it were, you know, I think a good analogy to make is imagine if it was video games of someone said why this patent here- and it says that you know I only technology for any character that travels from point a to point b in a medium. Well, that's every other, pretty much video game. Like also I own video games now right and if video games don't pay me than video games are going to go away. You know that, then I think people go oh fuck. We have to really get behind this, then. So I think the problem is that its it's it's just that means mainstream people just think they don't either don't know upon. Podcasting is, or it's like one who gives a shit right, but they should give a shit because it will affect

everything else sooner or later well and like every thing like you know, sort of the old adage when you see the guy steal the grape from the supermarket and it's like what's wrong, so what their big market I took one grape. What's the big deal like the market will raise the price of crepes, the more ones that you pluck off while you're heading to get size sack of oval teen. They will someone. I don't come my cell on funds, I sank snow thinks you're, gonna, fucking guy. I know post amiss I also think of point is: is it some toy if you start making it expensive for look for? If you say every car manually, accurate, that Energy United States must have an airbag while the car companies are going absorb

they are going to go on a girl contented to pass those costs on to the consumer rights. So eventually, if you hit us gas in you go where you need to pay us than the pod care I'm gonna go well. You're gonna have to subscribe to the pod gas, because I can't give away the pod gas anymore, because I have to pay these guys, for the part gets all right and surely you'll have to pass on pass it along like any technology or anything really our full. I just hope, because I know the effort that Electronic Frontier Foundation is funding, is a separate yes campaign as well, which so I really feel, I hope Hope Hope hope that enough internet savvy people sort of lift this message up, upvote it enough, so that people understand that it is a very unjust thing that is happening and net

It would be so crazy if, if they, if they succeeded in yes, an end but and yet a great story, if The millions of people who may be didn't have a voice before just certain united together and then beat these guys down. You know: there's it there's a chance here for life. Stay after school special, our movie, the weak type story. Where you go wow. That's that's awesome staring eyes from Texas Suit, as in all the gates all the people in all the everyone that from the internet. Everyone and together, and I see I think, it's great store in its very o, is very independence day, as will the movie, but I mean it's like you. Do your part CAS. I do my part cast. There's podcast thereabout politics, there's pot gas about common, proven cars. There's there's every every topic.

The sun and everyone doesn't agree on everything all the time. But there is one thing we can all unite in agree on which, as it should be for a while. I do believe that you know the internet has some dark place. There are some. You know there are some definitely cruel people online. I do think, however, as a whole. The internet does not tolerate injustice and it does not like bullies, run, I think when you look at it through that land. That is what's happening and that's what I hope the internet can understand. And get behind because you know it same as you and you know many times, people had said to me you know, like all you know you want to you charge.

I guess or why? Don't you make it a subscription Rwanda to a premium model and unlike know, I always want this shit to be free. I what I mean is it this whole form of media didn't exist before a handful of years ago. Right and now it's a real platform people. Can you know you can get educational resources? You can get here law. I mean this type of long form chat that we all do didn't exist anywhere in any great capacity in the night. You know like before this. The past decade, for I saw it, really has kind of change. The way people consume things and its and its in its amazing and it's amazing to be a part of it and if buck in pieces, he thought of it supplements coming like having to make money up. Those I got a guy can make money up those guys without you know, by by legal bullying, tactics yeah. Well, that's that's were add, and I

people always asked me if I'm surprised and I'm never surprised- I mean there's Are you surprised at any injustice? You see no there's good people out there and mostly good people out there and then there's a handful of bad people that try to fuck it up for the lion's share of good people, and these guys are them, and I, like the look, I like the idea of fighting these guys if, in a five Mark Cuban and I had that money in the ash tray of Mary Lexus. I still wouldn't give it to them purely on and the same amount of money to like obliterate legal, obliterate, the operation so that it could never happen again. You would probably give if you have that much money. You would give ten times the amount to make sure

It would never happen again before you would give a dollar by surrendering, and yes it's nothing, it's so morally bankrupt. You know what what they're doing and so for me I Are you know? I'm? Ok, I'm not very pollyanna issue, but every time somebody says, and you must be miserable. I resign my first eyes miserable, for while some more terrible thou but secondly, I feel like people are good. I feel like when, given the choice to do the right thing- and I feel like this- is going to be an opportunity for us- the pod cast community to let the world know how powerful we are, and if we do it right and we synchronized coordinate and unite, we can I wonder. I really wonder what the if, if these guys, even really understand what they're doing is wrong to think they know, like you

go like hey. We know we're fucked in these people over, but there's a lot of money or do you think there's something in their heads that goes no. This is right. We should be. We are entitled this. Of course we are. Why? Wouldn't we be? No, I you know to be fair to them. I think what they do is there they're they're gone gecko. You know what I mean: they don't look at taking a business in getting a business and sell it. They just look at a profit and loss in know, and they look at it this way if you can buy a patent and by the patent for You know a million dollars in an ill or new five million dollars than than your successful. Then that's your job than your being successful New can get a vacation home and Maui, but I found that most people who do things that you may find be unscrupulous in business or even

orally. What were in any in any venue? They don't look at. It is whose being victimize or is this right? this wrong. They just look at it. It is this is my business you now I mean almost like a casino. You know another casinos think about gee there's people that shouldn't be gambling, though I mean at least with a casino you know like you, are aware of the risks we going in and if you can't handle those risks, that's not their fault. I wouldn't point, that's that's not. I mean you know, that's not the same as as basically saying you know, I'm gonna go after this industry that I didn't creates and had nothing to do it because a nominal try to bleed these people dry for whatever money they have now. I concur I'm just too. Through you on a sort of just moral level. I think they'd they'll understand at well first off I'd

think they want to understand. I think their doctors that. Get their degree and then go to Guatemala. Undue pro bono work on kids, with cleft pilots and in their once, you gotTA, Beverly Hills and do boob jobs. I think they post sleep the same it now hate. Unfortunately, I think that the guys look in himself in the mirror who just finished a boot job. He doesn't see anything any differently than the guy who has no borders and goes and helps the impoverished kids of the world I wish that guy would look in the mirror and see monster and I wish the other guy would look in the mirror and see a hero. I unforced I think we're wire that way. I think these guys are basically like eyes, run hedge once. You know that money and they go? How do I make ten million in no a hundred million and that's about it?

yeah, but we really have to. We really have to let them know that it's not ok, because, honestly, every time it works is another. You know is another time where it's like there gonna fuck something up, that's really important. Yet there they'll be empowered by that and again because of the absence of soul and conscience. They just go hey. This worked over here, it'll it'll work over there and thus the legal defence fun and thus the fight and thus the unite. Now, I'm not I'm not saying anything, I'm not making any allegations in a match to be slanderous in any way, but it seem peculiar. That a lot of these types of situations happen in an area

The country in the same area of the country, at least from what I've read now I M not suggesting anything, but it does seem weird. It does gonna give you pause to kind of go. Is this the level totally or is this a coincidence or well, you know they're, not in the business of equity and fairness and even killed miss they want to give themselves every advantage. They can give themselves in out their basically like you know, a formula, one team and there's no rules so they're going to do everything they can to make a card on Saint. I have the same kind of thing where you go and end the internet does rage against this kind of thing to where you go, billionaire! Only pay fifteen grand taxes last year go well. I look at all the better organise all levels. I got everything within its power. They're gonna give them they're. They're gonna give themselves every advance,

in every opportunity to win. That's why they ve set up where they set up. That's how they work in I wouldn't expect anything less from them, because it's not like there ever stopping and going g, when I was a junior and high schools this, what I thought I'd be doing. Well, I just think that term you know much the same that much the same way that you know frivolous lawsuits have to be controlled, that this is the sort of patent drollery has to be controlled the same way because, like everything, would get fucking flipped upside down, if all of a sudden, a bunch of crazy Patten's Whitworth people didn't have any action to those things but they're like ominous gonna start, I'm gonna start shaken everyone down relic it would. It would flip the country upside down patent drollery went crazy well again that there there's a cost to it. I mean we, you don't think you know you think it's

You know it SAM songs, problem, its so problem or its foxes problem or CBS his profits. It's it's not it! there are problems for now. It will be your problem later in the form of another commercial. That, after all, is that this is really ology. This is so much closer to civilians, though Sherman faceless companies and in and it will it will trickled down. In effect, just regular people. Sooner or later I mean this. Is this is a bold, move into? You know again stepping away from the big corporations into you know and going after a dude. Whether you know with apart, like it's, the civilian that is very close to civilian college. Civilian culture is just a dude with regular dude, with Podcast Pegasus,

three, you know what I mean by a grizzly bear gynecologist, I'm just a regular guy. I grew up north high, were the just mean young raffles. You know this kind of stray from the neighbors had put on kids with big wheels and stuff back then and regular. Do you know- and you know to see them come after me and again the money I make doing podcasting puts oats in that raffles, so we have used their Pegasus from shooting on that's right, the fog guest buildings that is in her eyes, Well, I hope so. Where can people? we gotta find anything that can and you can just donated I'll, be right there at the top and- and we have some perks in some. You know come watched upon

stuff like that and were asking folks like you and other pot castors to certain go well toss in a perk like you want to come out to alive, show or get an autograph, or do some like that, and some of it just donate, and some of it is aid for twenty five bucks and get a teacher. I mean it is You know if anyone has enjoyed podcasting enjoyed free by and you know it with any ray regularity. It's it's worth thrown a couple bucks at it too. I mean it it's the bet. It is the best way to support. This medium by protecting it from being dismantled, I would say: that's pretty pretty direct connection, so it's not it's not like. It's not like a no. I just want fifty thousand extra dollars. That's like no. This money all goes to the legal defence. It all goes to hopefully stop this kind of frivolous patent drollery from happening. Yes

at all shall and honestly. I hope we can raise enough. I dont know if we can somehow either way if it pays for half of it or two thirds of it are three cars or whatever it is. It will be that much closer to get us and then also not donating money, but also just raising awareness and trying to look like the community. Now. This is something that does do you know whether or not you think it does it will effect you sooner or later, and it's something you should take very seriously. I agree any other big new, any other news and either no I'm doing a new show on spike worm, busting contractors and got a book coming out in May and other natchess plugin along on the bad guys. What's the what's, what is it? What's the busting, my country, oh it's catch contractor, it's gotta, people's houses have been screwed over by contractors. Take a little tour here, the sob story.

I know that there are the guy's not returning to phone calls. Him spoke to him in six months ago, set up his thing House get the guide come over floor, for some told? How can you read it drag right and then a sort of get the guy had lack, bring him back to the house and get him the finnish finish the job yeah shouted watch episodes yeah shot like eleven or twelve of them, as anyone ever been especially contractors ever said, like Imma go get my gun in the car and then, when the shoe you full normally, when people are gonna to get a gun, they just go, I'm gonna go get my cell phone and then come back with a gun plight I am sure that as well, you could you wait here. I come back to you, my guy liar you I I have had like some of the homeowners like where you go like what kind of guy was skydiving you're looking at their house, like you know, big dude are filled with tattoos kind of Ireland, also

like that, if one springing out jumping out of a cupboard when he comes in a cage, yelling surprise, but it's it's in each it's interesting, because it's such a weird emotional journey, these people have had their houses taken apart, haven't seen the guy for six months and they drag him, back in the most uncomfortable part is when the woman who lives at the house start screaming at the guy for an hour when we dragon backed oh sure, finnish living living room without is God, is it render these guys logistics. Are they like just please shut up, so I can just I'll do what I didn't do and then I want to disappear. Did always cracked me up where they cause they go? Look. I come back to finish the job and I will go it be like standing in front of the gene, Goin home in the courtroom. Aren't I and it's like I know we tackled your new lawn waiting to be up

Releasing the real do they do that, I was one of that when I watch cops and cheaters, and I'm like at a certain point when that shirtless toothless guy was having his face shoved in the side of a cruiser, a police cruiser someone I will go inside here that my answer is a gimmick dynasty, my writing and back first I you know, because we tell em luck we're going to do this with your without you. So if you want to come back, then you'll look like a halfway decent god. If you want to just run out the front door and jumping truck, you can do that, but they're going to pursue legal It will only get my patent role, guys on your ass going out, so they're gonna find you see in court, so I really just tell like. I would tell you guys, look you, you walk out right now. You're gonna be thinking about this. Every time you pick up the phone

although the mailbox you'll be worried about a summons or this homeowner Collyer as it or you can just come back with us right now. Do this house in a finnish over the next few days and just walk away like it will be done with it like that, and it is a weird thing that I've wrestled with my whole life, which is that feeling of like I'd really like just to leave right now. But if I stay for two days, then I can leave and think about it again, like you can see the guy's gears can turn a ragged just come back with us now finish it now own up to it and they usually do Adam cruel of fighting injustice across. Multiple platforms, re has re, mean raffles, I'm so so so so happened, I'm really that is not happening to me at the moment, but it could and that's why it's important and also just to help support it mean you know it's it's this whole world that

has opened up has been, has been amazing, certainly its mid, not just for the creators, but also the people consuming contents, and I hope that we can protect it. I hope we can protect it from bullshit hurry. I want to thank you for help I absolutely any everyone out there thanks in advance all right Adam to see you what You seem a hollow at the end and we say in Georgia burrito so I guess enjoy herb hawaiian burrito enjoy your michalek it at the end, Nerdist, noticed dot com,