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you two dot com, slash grave musings. Grave musings well done Heather and see Thank you for sharing this is the perfect episode to put this because the director dare and bows menus banana podcast. A handful of times has the new we spiral coming out, which is great our rights, so daring d did saw two three four he's. He directed Repo genetic Opera, Saint Agatha, a bunch of movies and then spiral it's Christmas. Samuel, L, Jackson and its basically I describe it, is like a like a crime drama set in. the saw universe. Other Chris Rocket have some really funny. Chris Rock. Do bits moments in it, but they're bound really well with

What is it? What is otherwise a saw movies all works We really really well together and I want to say any more than that, but it's really good really cool and such great re. Imagining a series that has had a lot of movies. You know and is just such a great new direction that they ve gone with it so I highly highly highly recommended that movie comes out may fourteenth witches today the day that this podcast is posting not necessarily the day or listening to it, and you know when you listen you this, but let's just say supporting that. It comes out TAT day. So His check that out and That's it the au, and then There's a lot of good there's, a lot of fun. Horror movie talk in this in horror, props that we can do show Intel for you audio show until, but maybe I'll postal Instagram

Eighty ten t instagram page near we took a bunch of pictures of each there's props on zoom, so maybe post that you know for fun, so Eric identity by customer, eleven, twenty we dare and Lynn bows men as we start the thing in hearing I can't even How are you it's a good man, fuckin crazy last year,

I mean I feel I feel I wasn't there in the budget, so that was ages ago because it was in person like you. I now came to the studio that we don't you. Is any more because you know the studios virtual. Now. It's all. I just wonder how much the World Wilson age when covert goes away or everyone's vaccinated like we'll median still occur. Will everything just be virtual now, while some willing more than ever be a mix like. I think there are some things you need to go into an office and be in person for and then there are other things you don't necessarily, as can a joke in yesterday, with someone I was on a zoo man ever moves in their home, of course, everyone's in their their dedicated like this is where I soon from home space and I said I wonder if, when people go back to offices, they'll just turn their offices into what their rooms look like it home, like someone zooms from their bedroom, their object like a better mother kit nor their breakfast room or whatever I'm tellin. You know

I've been training for this moment, my entire life, because I'm very introverted mainly and sit at home, most of my life, so this this this whole pandemic Ivan I've been training for you. I mean it's the introverted like also now. I don't have to feel at about not leaving the house now. I get to feel good about not wanting to go anywhere and do anything JAMA. Home body because I am gone so much of the time. Shooting movies in different countries are different places that win. at home. I just want to be at home in, like I'm in my office. Screening around my surround sound and all my view. No movie props. I just want to stay here, so no, my mom, my mom was saying because now that we're all vaccinated she's like well, I just don't want you to know what you know like. I'm just I'm concerned that you guys aren't like getting

the house into. Where are we going to go? Look? What do you think we're going to do? Where are we supposed to me? We just don't you know neither of us drink, so we wouldn't go out to work like it. Just like there isn't. We need our like, where the fuck are we supposed to go like we're, just very comfortable being at home. I'll tell you I travelled first, I may get back yesterday. I saw my parents were having seen the while, because I'm backs needed there. Vaccinated in bamiyan flying flora plainly. I bet it so weird because the minute someone costs on a plane used lawyer airplane to earn an onlooker immunity was there was a guy. before road behind me that I felt that worm he he had hay fever said he I like really bad out whatever, but you heard him copying and sneezing in literally, would see the planes every time tints enough and just like. Looking and it was, this guy was set up the entire time, epochas everyone's picturing, that that fuckin seen an outbreak where were whereas it

Dempsey like, like you know in the mood theater and then you just see the particles, the aerosol droplets go into the ventilation system and do you know it's cool? is about this pandemic in this whole thing is so I'm a huge conspiracy dearest, like I read all the new sites and in the end I just I love give me a lot of ideas for movies, so again. We were imposed on spiral, and I was on this- is back in December of guessed. He doesn't know tee started or maybe before that November started. Reading about this thing happening and move on ends. I literally being a conspiracy to arrest and apparently person. I started enhancing advertisers. I was getting clorox wipes than I was buying in ninety five masks and I'm telling you I was sending them I'm in Toronto and unfinished

to my house and my wife was like you're insane lemme coming I'll, give you the number of, like twenty nineteen, already ninety two and a half ago. Yes, yes, so I'm sitting there, back to my house and my wife is like you're crazy, let alone like I'm, not crazy. If it's there, it's gonna come here and I ll never forget. I got a phone call from her other one day and her mother shut up to our house to stay and there was a box outside of of masks and she was like. You seem like a crazy person, I know it's like. Maybe I do- and I was like tell me that in a year from now cut to four months later it's everywhere we were. We were just finishing them some spiral, and we were one of the last flights out before they shut the border down and now I have a stockpile of all this crap and every one of the first things we didn't we got home was we donated all these in ninety five master cedar cyanide, because I've been ethic yeah I've been coming. I had this huge stockpile

so yeah I've been again. It was something that I was aware of in and while I was shooting in Toronto editing in Toronto, just because of this crazy new stuff that I read well and by the way I was very nice of you to donate the mass, because you know there were those people. I think one of the first things will allow will identify with the beginning. The pandemic is the toilet paper hoarding. Oh yeah, I like a handful of people dislike I don't buy it all up thinking they could sell it for like two hundred dollars. A role or whatever else like fuck did come on man, what the fuck leg. Yes, there are business ideas, but that's what you're doing is not miss Brad for humanity. So the idea that you did stockpile masks within realized. there. We have extras, let's give these to them than the healthcare workers. You know it was crazy about it, which would, I think, was the most Only about how serious this was going to be. Is that when we reached out to this the Cedars Sinai. They they set a doktor it wasn't it assisted

a nurse it? It was a doktor showed up, and he in and we talked, through the window, and he was basically like my alot of people on my feet. Urban been using the same mask for three days now. They're like we cannot get them, you don't mean it down who's that moment that I realise how serious this thing was gonna, be that when he is coming to the house to take these things up in his hearing his stories about it, so it was crazy. Will you be answered? You ve already already answered my first question tat was when we would. I was watching videos like oh, they must have shot this somehow shot this inquiry. during the pandemic, but you wrapped it beef, like literally rat or I gotta go swimming about yeah, it is so they held it. They held it for a year. We were just about. Last year we finished the mix on like marks, seven two thousand twenty, and it was to come out that

in so yeah, it was held a win win. The world went to shit, but we were done way before the pandemic. Aye aye it. So it's been so much fun to watch your evolution as a director, because you don't make the same type a movie like, even though there is a gene. Read that you favour you don't make the same type. A movie. You know like each time like repo is totally different from like Saint Agatha, which was completely different from spiral which I sent a Lydia was like. We did an idle I want to be careful. I don't want to talk too much about spiral because it's just I don't want to spoil anything, but what I will say about it is that it's I was like this is a fucking procedural crime drama that just happens to be set in the jigsaw. Universe like it's. It's a totally different. It's not at all what I expected, which made it, which was

You know. Another reason why I enjoyed it was like this is totally different. I didn't know what to expect. You know what I mean that that's what I love about my career. Listen, I misfire a lot like I've made some shitty terrible. These, but I want to keep jumping sub genres because again it keeps it interesting for me as a pole, to making the same movie over and over. It is getting to play in the horse space and in these different, some giaours, be it from written in a horror rock operas to home invasions to political thriller to proceed things and I think going into a spiral of. Maybe that was a big. A big thing is we wanted to make sure we want repeating ourselves. They made eight movie. Uninstall universe that were pretty much the same, and so they wanted to do you wanna big things was us, maybe an alias cast. Now, let's figure out how to do this, the pay service to the fans, but is something completely different,

Oh, you know that was kind of our mandate going into it that you know it's got. The nod to the fund has got. The traps is got the twist, but it's it's completely its own day yeah and it was, and it was really like it was a totally different ride. Then you and that's the idea like ok, we're not trying to recreate does what it felt like. You know like you to set we're not trying to recreate what saw was this is a story within the saw universe that happens to be a crime drama that still so that you have the connection and acknowledges you know like did. That jigsaw exists in this universe, that these things happened, but it's not like you know it's like, oh guys, trapped in a dirty bathroom

you know he's gotta figure out. You know it's not it's not that, and by the way, I have to say, Lydia did a movie with Tobin Bell, who she idolizes and when she, when she was doing this movie last year, she wasn't gonna gotta get there but Tobin Bell, and I was so happy to report that they became like really good friends. He just turn out to be the sweetest guy. You know they tax teaches she just a doors him, and so it is in it. the hands down the most intense autumn actors. I've worked with in a way that the way that he approaches every see the way that he you know really antagonize is over every single line and makes the lines makes sense, even if they don't make sense in the sky he will find a way to make them makes sense for his character, so Tobin enough that you know. That was the reason Viral came to be the way it was, there's no competing with jigsaw. You cannot compete

itself. There is only one jigsaw: there's only one Tobin Bell so trying to move kind of complete. way from that from the way the tape sound too the puppet we wanted. You know we wanted to completely have before and realized what, after that, the bad. This is a different saw. Maybe it's not trying to be that it's not trying to beat opened out yet because you can't you can't, compete with him know and that's really smart too not try, and that is you know that that can often be the sequel Idas that you know it's like you make a movie and just do whatever you know. I mean I don't mean I don't mean a sailor, accident in the sense that you don't people work hard and they come together and people are talented and they work together. But I mean you never know, what's going to connect and you never know what's gonna blow up, so it sort of the the viral quality that some films have, which saw franchise has

The like eyes, I mean so wait, wait, wait, there's him and then there's this day right there, the other guy. I have to keep moving them because my kid routine, five. Now now to get to the age. There actually scared of things like to keep moving around the house door. There's the original saw puppet, renewed it and then the new one right next to add other be out there, There's gotta be a buddy there's a roommate comedy and their rather, it is a body captcha. There were working on the next one of these to govern the grid. The veteran about puppet. Quite but it's like the sequel. I dislike things, magically work and then it's like well how much

you lead into that for the sequel. How do you give people a taste of what the first one was, but balance it out? So it's not like well, this is just a redo and they ve been some really good. Signals lay like. I really love the happy debt they sequel because it completely it. It went from like a timely movie to assign Fi Yap movie and it it was. They did such a good job with it, and I'm like that's how you do a sequel you you you can build on the foundation of the first one, but then, where does it evolved from there and how they are or like devils rejects? National dress, I repeat, we might mention this in one of our other talks, but to me that as one of my favorite original to sequel jumps in the way that it took the main three care- there is the Firefly family and then completely changed how they were, how they interact and how they even spoke. So I loved, I love that kind of jump from the first to the second that he did,

but obviously was just rob going well, I wanted to make this first. I wanted to make this kind of like fucked up Toby Hooper. You know last remove and then I wanted to make this like we seventies like row. You know like road crimes, free movie, any Anne and him, and it was rooted in just the fact that it was then that university use those characters, and that to me is like that's really kind of exploring film as a medium and seeing like how can we use the same elements to tell different stories that are connected because we're using some of the same elements were. You know and I think one of the so when we landed, we landed Chris Rock We knew that we had an opportunity to do something completely different. If you original films couldn't do in that spring on an entirely different type of audience, there are so many people that would never

see, I saw nine days, wouldn't do it, but they would see us viral in a way that it is. You don't need to see the previous eight films that came before it It literally start here, if you like this moving you're like here, this is cool, then you can go backwards and instead get on. So, if you want to you in the new things will come to light upon a repeat viewing spiral, but You know we really wanted to try to bring in a more mainstream audience. even the whether their positioning the trailers, in a way that they are the new posters that are coming out, it is different, but there There are very mean you have Charlie Clouds or who did the score that has same that same musicality? You have the same Britain grime of the original few films in the look of it, but you got trip.

I can see a mule Jackson, which is so like such a complete right turn from the other movies that we ve made before yet, and I was wondering Sumter I'd like so. First of all, people finger unjust, sobered, I've known him for twenty years, because peace, wife, generosity, wasn't house without in court yeah that's that's crazy and so I've known them for ever and Alan tool. It was on the pod cast a handful of weeks back and he was like all I mean this writing good. I'm in this writing exercise group with this guy p gold finger. I think so. Pete's name keeps coming up and you know four people remember- and I know of Peat and Josh did Parana three D. You know

and so it was great to see and they don't tell us up and it was great to see their names. I had no idea, they wrote the movie until I saw the credits because I was saying like I thought. Chris Rock was really really well use anymore, because he's got great dramatic parts, but he also has these like Chris Rock moments, where he's just sort of like it's like it's very hard to kind of two squish stand up into a scripted things. Sometimes it just doesn't play, but it worked with him because it's like his character, has a certain personality type and he just gets annoyed by certain things and he'll go off on a risk.

while he's on his way to something like. Is that christian ripping? Did he write that, or was that people are sure? Was that collaborators it? It was a good combination, so press was so collaborative as a producer is a creator and as an actor I mean first off. I was a little scared going into it because Christmas, the director and young, directed a handful of films, and he is he's such a night conic personality, so what That was a huge relief was he was a fan of the saw franchise in the legitimately. A lot of people say I love for I love genre saw she actually was so a lot of our conversations. He would reference other films, he would say hey. You know I saw When you did this or hey, you know in the shining when they did this, so he was constantly referencing movies, but I'm we had. Maybe for me where no one was allowed in the meeting except Josh PETE. Chris myself increases to riders that works with his wealth that work on his lines punching up his stop. The limits

in a room and we would read the scenes. Allow increasingly like you know what cells. Weird me saying it: let me try state of this work and then he would say it a couple of them until it sounded right for him. But then there are other seems that he does Colombia to be. Like hey, I got an idea about worth. Go. Let me, let me repeat, this idea about Horoscope gives that perceived the movie with Crest, which I love, he's doing this whole thing about forced up so yeah he was. He was awesome too to work with. The european jobs could write it. They were then go to press and increase PETE jobs with workshop seem to make its own right or Chris that's coming ass. An increase really is, like you know, he's he's just one of our greatest living standards. You know like that, bring the pain which on pressure was ninety.

seven. Maybe he had had that run on, he was on us and L, and he did find on essential, but didn't really like pop is much offer better now who's on for a few seasons, and then he kind of like just this was, of course before social media sounds like. I wonder where Chris Rock went well. He went and took the shit out of stand up for like two years or something and then comes back with literally like one of the defining comedy specials of our generation, like one of the best

How many specials in the history of company bring the pain like holy shit. You know and then his career just exploded, but you, but you really see like number one. You know pudding admitted in a different context, the context being stepped up, and then you also see in appreciate like what a real detail, oriented craftsmen. He is that you really like. Does the work and really like leans in any you know just would show up at random clubs after he got famous, you couldn't announced that he was gonna, be there so that he could work on material. I I'd suggest a real net a moment because person you know I grew up listening his special. If I may, I grew up in Kansas City and a lot of it I shall return issue when it was the thing you have to listen to you and I'm sure a lot of people have that with you like people like George correlate or SAM Kennison, I would add to sneak listening to his tapes, and so here I am cut

with forty old man sitting in Toronto. I get there the second there two days and I'm on my couch and I'm still invisible, there may be doing a Chris Rock somberly and I'm watching tambourine and I were my wife- was like you Lee Chris Rock you you're not blocking. The EU and us acknowledge its Chris Lot into watching famine rain on that, like in my phone rings in its pacing up on the counter in its Chris Rock calling me I'm watching him red until I'm like this is so. This is insane. I paused your brain, epic oppressed and, as you said, would you What does it I'm watching, tambourine in something happen that he goes off on a tangible and had we been twenty minutes, where he's doing a stand up the phone to me about real. Should it wasn't like he was trying to be funny, but it was it was. I was dying like he is a storyteller there, hang on his every word and my how about you sitting there incomplete disbelieve? That I mean the heat and he's incredible. The guy is, is the greatest comedian,

in them working on cell with him. Some of the shepherd would do which socks One point in the movie that was a balancing act was figuring out what of his polarity you put in the movie what had to get cut out for town, and there are so many things that he gave. Elongated takes that we could have years where he literally he's just killing and Itzhak submit a pic those what we can actually use. Listen. I understand that things that there's always complications with how things work in its never easy. Just like hey here's, an idea. We do that you could, I bet cut. You could do like a special directors cut of spiral that actually like totally ships it into a dark comedy. I bet oh yeah, absolutely! No! We absolutely could. meaning he's got like. There was a do as a scene in the car very early on many with his partner play by maximum gala, who she goes into a.

how'd you give your wife's six hundred Tuesdays, doesn't equal one Saturday night. That will think that goes on onto like four and a half minutes, and it it literally could have been straight out of a stand up special in its real relationship, advice, it's it's, but it's hilarious and so I think, like I think they did it with anchor man where they had a completely separate caught up just different jokes. It were not used now to do that now for those watching your listening right now it is spiral is not accompany it. Not at all. It's not at all. It's got moments. Levity and the first like forty minutes, but it goes. It gets dark, but but Chris Rock does have this signature Chris Rock moments and listen,

making it a dark, how to be a top dollar, because people get horribly murdered in it, but but but just his, but it works within the framing, and I I do believe I understand what you mean about like four tone. We had cut it out, because I would imagine you don't ever want, like you have don't ever want one thing to sort of overtake the general vibe of the John read that you're making, because then it kind of confuses the audience and then sort of I would you say it's sort of every kind of takes away from the disorderly andor messaging when you're not like sort of making sure the tone all balance is that so we wanted to make sure that in the very first you know the very first real that the audience There stood that data they saw movie. It still has the traps and all that, but it's ok to laugh, and so the first seen as it is a more traditional saw opening, and then it goes to this this. various monologue from Chris Rocks, which shows you it's ok to smile, it's ok to laugh, but then it turn

a dime again fits you wouldn't want that again. Yeah Equally, we before the pandemic. Yet we were able to do a test. Screening in LAS Vegas It was also watching it with the crowd, because there's never been jokes and ever in Tokyo,

watch it with it with a roomful of people and you go from utter silence to uproarious laughter to turning again and it is utterly silent which, which I really really dug just watching a watching an audience watch that scares again. It's definitely done before in Istanbul and what a fun movie experience to have where you get the full range of emotions were it's like. That's just that sort of hits cocky and paying attention release tend to release tension, relate you know, but then the balancing act like oh and it's Christmas and oh, it's Samuel I'll Jackson. You know I mean it, there's a lot of elements to the movie that I think make it so interesting and then, on top of that, the other star, the movie, that it's in the south

universe. Yeah, and so it is really just manages, I think, to find this nice balancing act of like all these things and they all worked well together and nothing really overtakes them. You know, like nothing, tanks, anything else in the movie so like that is just as someone who like. I always wonder like what I ever you know. I had the opportunity and I have had the opportunity wherever direct something, and I think from watching it's like, oh well, that's a very important thing to learn as a director is learning balance. How do you have all these these these big a list things going on and they still all work together and don't overtake each other and that so that is a real skill set. Will that to me the editing is my favorite part postproduction of my favorite part of any of any film you no direct Dean, is first up

green is, is lonely and your by yourself and your inner had a lot. Then you get on sat in there's so much pressure coming from the studio coming from the producers financial obligations, but when you're in post from that we find the movie and we're dead. Seeing the editor at runaways editor. You know We changed. Things have been time and time again. Let you watch the movie inside this doesn't work. Let's go back and try to do this. This mess in there literally for different spirals, that it could have been based on the shots that we chose. That takes that we chose, and that means- and I love about filmmaking you take the same fully You put in a different order in a different way and you have a completely different movie yeah, but that to me you love that and that to me he's scared me off from from really jumping into yet because I just feel like, I feel burdened by infinite choice. Words like you because it could be anywhere as things? How do you know yeah now? Do you know the right? What are you doing

there you can all right what maybe there's just different shades of different things. Would you know what things that always kills me here. Movies out and you start hearing reactions, Bateman, be it from the fans and saw universe? Are critics and nobody like? I wish there was ex wires, and you know that you have excellency on an ETA room floor, those things but always socket. You know it's funny his eye become. This is something that I kind of joking unemployed, if not about so I have one movie in my career that that I have extreme regret about regret because I want to, for the movie, the former Spanish. I basically, I had two movies backed back. I finished my directors cut one and then I left to go start another movie and the movie was shifted in change from what I try and that's a movie called eleven eleven, which was never the edit that I made am I I need a movie that was very rose. Marries Baden Ass

and when I left there were like how we gonna fucking sell this from the sought after we need to simplify it up. So they heard another maker editor to come in and make it more jumpy and saw like in killed. It is completely Demi killed the movie. and when I watch eleven eleven, which have seen once- and I made it- I'm like this was not the movie I made now. Ten years later, I would love to go back and re approach that bridge and re edit. The movie come, I guess, do exact Snyder verse, but on a movie that no one saw her one eleven. Just because of the interesting decade later to see the different choices that I would make, and could I crack the different movie. There was actually put out there, but that's the artist and you know that's the that's like it's sort of like looking back seeing where the little scratch in the window is of your career going get em, but that out, you know. I know I can make that perfect and you know listen for whatever its worth

the valuable lesson you learned probably was you know, don't do that again like now exactly you stick it out so third, a valuable lesson very early on in your career, and so maybe that's what that project was meant to teach you an immense. You know. Yes, maybe at some point you could go back and do it and that would just sort of satisfied that list bit of like. You know the little bit of OECD in your brain. That just wants to make sure that all the everything is in the waves to induce. You know, you know what for me, I mean, as it is an artist, is that I want to be able to die by my own sword where, if, if I look at a move I can say, like repo the genetic opera, I had complete control on that movie. They live we do whatever I wanted to do on it, so I knew about movie failed. It was my failure. I did I fucked I there was all on me, but if you look at it- movies, where I don't have complete control where, after I'm done, it goes to a huge process. Things that I agree with. I might lose the battle on that. I would,

want to have a way to get the point in my career, where I can die by my own sword and say I fuck that up. That is my failure and I wear that failure, but I mean I think that is a film you surround yourself with people better than you, so I lost. Many many fights are answered movies and they were right. I was completely wrong in retrospect. I look at it. I say you know what, if I would have liked it would have made the film worse than I glad that they won the battle. So it's as we It's weird, I don't know logical game and I got to every single time. Do I fight for what I leave an impassioned about, or am I to closer limits, real and they are right. I don't have perspective they do one, though I think it's asking like why're you fighting for something you no doubt is sometimes if you're fighting, because you're egos bruise that

there's a different choice. Then then, then you can kind of go. I think I'm fighting for this for the wrong reasons and not for what's good and but then again there those times were you just. You have good intentions, your openness suggestions, you just don't agree. I mean it's it's one of the things that I love so much about stand up. Is that you get in the audience feedback, and you can have this idea in your head. Then you are positive that this job is gonna kill and you do in front of an audience, no less just tepid about it and you do it again, three or four times, and if every time it just doesn't work and then you go. Oh, I guess I was completely wrong. I mean like I thought that, but no one else seems that they No, that's fine, but I also agree that I love having that responsibility where it's not like. I got to learn that I got to make that choice. A mistake myself. I think. That's also why you know rubs obvious, like I never want to make it. A million dollar moved me because I just like being in my pocket of no one tells me what to do. I don't have to.

Make cut outs the things for any reason other than because I want to, and I really respect that because you realize like if I scale up it's not going to make anything better. It's just, and we often think of like bigger budget means better, but it's the idea of like, what's not going to make it better if she's going to make it bigger- and we better, because what you're gonna have to trade in, for that will then I'll say that that I've learned that recently, that's you I was so excited coming back to spiral because spiral I had the resources even had in ten years. I have more money. I had more time. I had bigger actors, but when you get the middle of it, you had the eggs. same struggles. You have only one million dollar movie, it's just bigger. As you said honour on wondering down movie. I might be twenty five days to shoot it and I have twenty days them like fuck. I just had five more days on the spiral. I have forty days but I'm like five. This is so much bigger. I need fifty five days to shoot. This movie is knocking works, so

or in the exact same struggles just on a bigger scale? In so thinking. I guess that you got what I went back in a spiral. Ah, I'm finally gonna happen. all the tools I need to construct this house, I'm gonna have lumber having had I'm gonna. Have you no hammers Ivan had in you, git yeah, you get more tools but you're. Also building much bigger house and you realize you're doing it fuck now. I need this this and this I don't have so it's it's. It's been a struggle, on that train around my head around that it scaling up its top and not everyone can do it. It's like you know it's amazing to me that the same guy, the maid slither and super made guard. You know it's like that, because you see someone and that's when you realise, like oh the expression like at the end of the day. The most important element is storytelling is your: are your characters? Do you care about em and is what they're doing interesting and does it play out in a way? That's interesting too.

And all of this scale stuff is really just extra. Like you notes, you know, slither is a really great movie. It's an intimate little weird horror movie guardians is a massive movie, but at the Corbett it's an intimate story like so it really boils down to, and you know he just masterfully scaled up, James, just brilliantly scaled up. So at the core of it. Does your story work? Do the characters makes sense doing what they're doing, but that Saying like, why don't you just keep it simple, sleeping, ok, baby, I'm on it, I'm on a package, you can say hi and then- and I have to go and do you get ok, make my diary birth I will in a minute and amount to do it, but give me give you a little bit hope has given you do what you can do it now we can really. I don't. I don't know what I don't know what he wants, so you never know who riverside taking me we're. Ok

I got a real how to do that, but I look and online order came in my class. You gotta give you what you want yeah yeah you gotta, get pumpkin, see, that's all go back and pines and could not reverse yes, we'll get pumpkins maker. I can't make it didn't you gotta go, find a pumpkin sit with me, and find a pump gave us this. Isn't what does it mean? If you leave me alone, I will buy two new Mine Cresswells deal. Actually wants a negotiation that so praises.

yeah these these spiral and saw director is negotiating minecraft with the sun. You know what it's so in a way you are, you have to be a producer. Ok, that's what you want. Here's how we get to solve each others. Problems- is really funny Henry. So when he, when I'm shooting spiral, I think he was soon for either I was really reluctant. Let him come on sad, because no matter where you were there was death or destruction of might be. Over Albion shot there yet, but it was. It was pretty brutal. Was one day that we were shooting in the police station that I might look. This is a day that that Henry can come to set in and by the way he knew Chris Rocks Voice for some the cartoons that here So so he was excited he shows up on set and we are shooting like a very normal saying, let Henry sit video village and I let him have it here. phones on. He was able to hear it in the happens to be one of the times that Chris Rock, through in some extra some extra worse ended up. He ended up saying fuck a lead.

times in the scene is still in the movie, so so he's got an honorary sitting there and in so he hears sparkling and then am I can we be quiet and then he says fuck again in her against tat. He said and then he says it again and then finally heretics headphones off, because there are too many books being said in any secrets from Iraq sounded like screaming their team when he but yeah yeah. What game was playing, Minecraft or he's playing graphs, yeah so bright. But no here was the Isaac So here we re going to Chris wrought, take because Chris Chris, like this, where a little too much, but that was I he's one day, onset, frisky too many folks here. So what are you gonna do? That was one of my favorite stories about

There was some we shoulda seen and it was fine. He read what was on the page and the scene was was fine. It was good, but Chris comes to set the next day and it gives you know what I can do that better and we had already toward the sat down the set was gone and, as a Christmas sets gone, ignite can do it better and as they do not music. Just give me a close up through the background out of focus Let me do it again, so we did it in its life, which one of my favorite lines in the movie This isn't despoilers like and say it. Basically, if twenty comes in to the to the precinct- and he said I know- you're mad at me. I know some of you hate me and then he looks at what I mean some your mad that I fucked your mother area is unlike tat, we just krispijn like Do it again and he added that little bit in their which completely change the entire intention of the scene? In that, doesn't I loved about him? He would just come up with these ideas. These small changes made a huge impact, and now we briefly to think our sponsor for this absurdity identified cast the zebra, so

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like scanners, are rabid or, and so we watch them, and I I find it really interesting that be the spacing of seventies. Horror is very, I would say, like wallets more drawn out it's more of a slow burn, then the 80s come around. You get slasher to get Friday, the 13th it like things, just kind of move. There's you no killing a way, there's that you know and as we go while the seventies like thing just move slower, but now we have elevate. We elevated horror eliminated that were there there. It's just like, which I do say like will its tone right words tone its an hour and a half of like beautiful cinematography, great acting, you feel uncomfortable, and then it just admitted to Twilight zone. The last fifteen minutes, like then there's a twist there were things just quickly fall apart and you

that the twist justifies the last hour and a half the movie that you're watching, but it's definitely like an hour tee already whore like art house horror, but when I look back at these seventies like a lot of seventies, horror, it not dissimilar to the pacing of what that Given these whore was, would you agree with the interim ivory out? So no, my favorite era, filmmaking is, is from the very late sixties through the Seventys, and if I go back insert listing also in my favor horror movies, they come from that era, be repulsion rosemary; maybe the open, the exorcist, you scanners. These are my favorite types of movies. I think that that again it is he's a slower, build more character, but production, as I like one, things that again, I love about something like rosemary baby. For example. Is you get to know the characters you seen them shot or the shining they are so well done, acted so superbly,

The the direction is master forming on some exciting when you're talking about cubic, where than any eighty They became a lot more tongue in cheek coeds, taking showers getting sliced up by mechanical serial killers gone worse the character developments in some of the amazing set and somebody amazing productions, eyed and it was more for thrills and kills where I think in the seven he's got on your skin more it. It was a something that this burrowed in your skin and stayed there. And if you look what they call elevated horror like you know, arria Asters, midsummer were hereditary. I think what it is going back to attention to character, masterfully set up shots in the camera. Can We fixate and stay on something without having a rapidly caught to keep your audiences attention, because your trust in your performances- but you know seventy

today may even now still is ninety percent. Of what I watch, I mean it's, a big guy, just even hear you describe it. That way makes me think, like oh yeah, because in the seventies there isn't really cable yet, and so we're still thinking about things in terms of cinema you don't like getting matic whore and then in the eighties, like there's a familiar channel as theirs without asking you. What are you really going to be so that they become that it's not a cinematic and is really just more about the aesthetic qualities of like our horror movie. There should be a kill here and then kill here in the Miss character than when you travel west. When you, someone in the theatre. You commit your committed to ninety minutes of sitting through a movie. There's no cell phones at that point, and you were there and so you're gonna go in journeys when it allows you to do, is take more rest. You can say, I'm not gonna kill every five minutes on this amendment. I'm gonna, let let it a nominal, let it get under skin. Let me introduce you to these characters, because you know you have them for ninety minutes and as long as you can mail, the landing you're gonna walk

people in a letter movie when we adjust comes out an end. Now people are watching movies at home on tv on tapes. You gotta keep their interests as they can walk away. They can go in the kitchen, they can. You know I'd tell you not for walks, so you have to keep their. You have to keep her interest in May. That's why again, some of the seventies films to me, State most terrifying to the ones that the greatest impact on me, but also even just the size and like going to a movie which seems crazy now, because I've been to a movie. Not at all how we'd like to a movie theater and out of my own a bunch did you know that the bunch of theatres is closed. Imagine this interim dome and civic theatres, and, and so, but even when you think about like your shooting, a movie that is meant to be seen on a mass immersive screen, where you're able to really like live in the world, a little bit more and Seymour detailing verses like what you, what he's gonna fuck a watch. This honour, I mean tvs, we're not huge in what I think

small aspect. Here is so you have a different aspect ratio and then a smaller viewing area, and so it's like that, even even that medium just sort of changes. I imagine the storytelling tools. No, it is absolutely dies, I think gum it becomes harder and specifically now like in twenty twenty one, it's hard for me to focus on anything that I watch I do. I have to make an effort to state of my work, ok, hey we're gonna watch wearing a white says we're pulling our phones outside were shutting the door and we're not we're not doing this because the reality is ninety percent of the things I watch undoing, fifteen other things and they don't have the impact on I don't think the movies are less good eye I am more distracted, so I'm not in I don't. I don't have the buying. Like I used to know, I did go to the movie for the first time in the year and a half I went and saw nobody. So I I'm a theater, I bought him good know enough there's going to say so I remember like it was. I was

smiling at the screen. The entire time like I was just smiling at the fuckin scream because it's like hearing this around sounds that I've seen it in this huge in other fields. It made that experience of that movie memorable. It is in my mind now versus the fifteen babies. I've watched on networks are Hulu or Amazon. They just don't. I I'm gonna get a lot of it has to do with distraction. So when you go from nineteen seventy everywhere things the movie theater too now you're watching something on a smaller tv in your home with shitty speakers in distractions all around you. It is a completely different experience As you know, you're watching ago, even the movies great. I know that care director who is a guy you type agreement.

And I just take you down a rabbit hall than you miss like five minutes. The movie did you gotta go back and then you it's only, but yet nobody is so great and I'm so happy for Odin Kirk. I mean it's like who who would have thought I mean you know like any, Mr Chopin going back. You know, like other, watching Bob stand up on company central, unlike in the early nineties like he was still, and then he did sketchy was an event still show he was greater than he does MR show, then he can afford rounded bury pops up. He does some cost up here and there is twenty gets up going. How can you just he lands are very small role on a show. Called breaking barrier ends up being a great elements that show designed more boom. He gets a spin off that is all the sun. Now he's a meal. You know: Emmy nominated by water and now he's a fucking. actions. We gotta be aid. Could you imagine, like you know like going back to that

stand up comic in there really nice ago, you're gonna, be an action start, fifty eight. What what the fuck are you talking about, and he pulled it off like that movies, really fantastic I sure, miss my parents, so I went home so I said I got back from Kansas and Missouri and it was at that point. It was on Apple tv, so I got it for them. We watched it and it was. It is awesome, I love you for so many different reasons, but I don't know it for me- that is a perfect example of tone. I'm to him being a comedian, and while there are more, the whole movies got moments of of levity and humour in it, but it is John Wit. I felt the same way watching that doesn't. I saw John Wick, it's cool, it's bad ass. I was the last time I watch the movie so rapidly together, I saw nothing, there's on Monday and then on Saturday morning on Directv again and I'm still

smiling like a fucking child in it. It gave me that John Wakefield, we'll jabbing, I remember seeing the trailer had four months ago, another committed friend my was like. If you see the trailer Kurtz movie, ever go no, and I watched the red men trailer and I was like this is fucking, brilliant someone I mean, I don't know what the pits was, but it was just like hey what John Wit settled down and got a family and kind of forgotten. We was like what would happen and it cause. That's. That's really cut a what John with once. He helped me. What's that he wants just a normal life. He tries to have it. Unfortunately, you know spoilers John with white eyes, and then you know, like all these horrible things happen, and so we ve got him. He gets reawaken with. This is just a different. Take on an issue such as the simplicity of it is so brilliant

Oh great is Christopher Lloyd. I mean all I got to every like the addition of Christopher Lloyd, like elevates it and he's great in it, and it just there just stolen elements that will be relaxed like it's. Just so satisfying yeah I was there was a great and again. This is why I am. I am praying that people do not returning to the cinema, because watching that I saw it city walk in watching in what I will say, a sold out theater. But there were seeds in between us watching the theatre hearing the reactions around me scene in the big screen. I had a connection in them. real again, and I don't remember the last time that I have felt connected to something I was watching just due to my kid walking to talk about Minecraft. For my wife, you want me to get the laundry out of the drier like it just doesn't happen. So you know it was a blow hearing that the arc light closed, Pacific's clothes and yes, three hundred screens gone just will someone will pick those someone will have to invest in

but at least the Cinderella dumb, because we can guarantee. Now, where are you right now, regularity will start going back in theatres. I think people will be dying for that experience again of being able to not be distracted, babe, I think I'll miss. You know we took for granted that we didn't have to leave the house and then for a long time we couldn't do so. Then I think people who really be excited to get there. But you know been skill again is such a genius for so many reasons, but he also understands, like you, take a good comic actor and you put them in the right kind of surreal, dramatic situation. Crampton was a comment, can be granted with an act

after, but he was largely known for covering before outcome in the middle. You knock em in the middle and just them sit comes along with other things that he had done, and then you know, and because comedians in this comes back to spiral, comedians do have a certain amount of job because comedy tends to come from pain or as a defence mechanism. More it's a coping mechanism, and so you don't. You can tap into that, which I think you do with credits. Then you really and Bob for with nobody and saw that are calls all. You really have this magical thing that has this has more depth to it, because you know you're you're your lead characters. Are the it just like something about the comedy and shifting the tone of it a little bit. That's way to me get out with so I mean like I used to love key in peel, like it was my family that that shit was Lerius. Then you see as a director that turn who would have thought back.

and when you were watching season, one of that he would go on to make one of the most powerful intends horror films I mean I've been regional once you're, not even just horror, films like one of the most influential films like when they do like the best films, and you know the top one hundred like there's no way. That's not gonna, be on the list like it's it's in having the depth and the ability to to tell such an amazing story in such an amazing way to redefine the genre into busy, create a genre of this social thriller which now, like he's I'd, feel like he has created this sub genera yea and it's fantastic like its it it. It blows my mind and it makes me so happy, especially for him. This is a great guy and also for film and storytelling in general. It's like how often do you see something that fresh and like? Oh, my god, this? I don't think I've ever seen anything like this before what I hope is

Nobody does is that it allows casting our producers to go two out of the box as when going to a movie, because her so many times and involves zombie doesn't a lot on his movies we're. Ok, someone. You would never expect to be doing what they're doing and it, but it's a brick wall, run into a lot run like hey I've, a crazy idea for whatever they like. Now that doesn't make any sense, then you look at some like you, too, said Babo incorrect as an action star. That is bad asked me that amazing watching his transformation. The fight scenes he's doing all of that so. I hope that you're gonna start seen more risk, seen more people step outside of the comfort zone of what we as audiences know them,

and allow them to do something completely insane like that. What but, but then it's also you know, then that's the struggle with making bigger budget movies, that companies are kind of run by marketing firms right. So you have to be lucky enough that you have an executive that has like the sort of creative vision to say you know, I don't understand this. I've hired, you is the story. Teller able to trust you because they're trying to their own balancing game is like. Can we sell this internationally? You people know with its personnel gotta, be motivated to you, know, put on pants and Congo part a car and go to a movie. Fear see this person versus the ultimate creative choice of like pick good people in poor people to do cool things and word of mouth will like it or not a John, but you just never know like you know. Corpses didn't do well. The theatre when it came out it yet it develop call that is it. You know like posts.

like in its in home video and enable men that's worth about, but if you just look at it is like the movie as it got released. Critics your honor, you didn't do very well, but it ends up becoming dislike. Will that also ricotta helps like reinvigorate redefine the genre? One of my favorite As a filmmaker that I've had my career was there was a critic that day he said, rob the genetic opera any devoted entirely half hour. The entire show is devoted to how repo the genetic it was not only the worst movie of the year, the worst movie of all time, and here it is on network tv. My parents watch it our neighbours launch it. My friends watch it and he literally goes in do that, their involvement as a hack should have is directing guard taken away. This was an abysmal abomination of a film that elevated to call status that that then again made people Take the movie out watch it. We developed a huge called vandam around something that was completely pan by critics in only discovered after with really

a year after the release. This thing started attempt to build that steam and now it's still in which is which is crazy, so fine the second lives on things like a report which had a second life once it was pending in thrown out a theatres. Well, but it's just finding the audience rightly the traditional media model says well, there's only one way to release a movie. It goes into a movie theater if it doesn't, do well, then its death and if it does do well, then you know the old Tom Hanks theory was that you know each movie that was successful. You get free, more movies, you get three more chances been home. Video comes along, it's like okay. Well, there is a second life may not be as respectable home video, but and then all the sudden, cable and home video start doing really insane stuff because they are giving artistic freedom to directors that Cinema won't take a chance on, and so then all the sudden people like oh be this is you know, maybe maybe cables cool after all, or maybe this is, after all, cancer is in full and the challenges don't end. When treatment has finished for kids,

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hundred and some theatres and we drove across the United States and I ended up making more money in being more successful. Doing that, and I haven't any one film that I've made because there was an audience for it. We were able to pack every single theatre, the people dressed up they put on there dark mascara there, I later in the ILO Rock we're picture show they came out and they supported. They bought the merchandise they bought the sound tracks they got. Tattoos and it was also because it showed it to me at least that it might not make and from a studio level, but there is an audio. for every movie if you're willing to put in the leg work to find out audience and they will be loyal to you to hear You know you're almost fifteen years later with repo, and it is still financial successful it is still selling- it- is still selling movie theatre tickets. Still selling whew raise it still selling soundtracks, because we found the audience and I think that filmmakers, that's part of Europe, possibility. If you make a movie just because critics don't like it,

fancy? You know the mainstream doesn't see it find your audience. Look at the room. You know the Tommy was off the hurry, say last name that is it be that should not have an audience, but it found the audience. There was a call midnight audience and again that's one of the most, raising times in a theater. If you ve ever seen the room in a theater, it's ridiculous, its batch crazy. They found an audience, so I think it is filmmakers. That's part of the responsibility once you do, something is help it find the audience and its into that social media fifteen years ago was driving around the country and just connecting with the connecting with with your audience, and I also think there's an interesting. You know the idea that Someone had such a strong negative reaction to your movie and that to you sort of like wait, if he's very passionately against it, that much than that must mean that there must be

a bet there must be an audience. Will we passionately supportive of the movie because hidden heat this? You know these people, these could credit mainstream critics have a really seem, but anything like this before and so sometimes and people are when they see something new that doesn't conform to the way the day you know, and I dont want, I don't think being a movie critic is an easy thing. You see so many things it would have to affect how you see things it's hard to just watch them as a fan anymore, because it is your job, you know, and so it's something doesn't conform. Maybe that means that it's something that no one's ever seen before there's nothing to compare to it's not it's just while the original and like you said you just have to find the audience and now now we can, you dont have to drive around the country anymore. We can find that, without having to get your car. That sounds really fun. I live I caught find it was. It was. Something else. Is there is definitely something nobody? I think

you're right it did with Instagram with clubhouse with Facebook. With all these things there, the that you are clicks away from millions and millions and millions of people that we didn't have before that can take him and given an audience and give it its do where that wasn't the case before you were told your straight to video year was the kiss of death in your Now that is now to be the case it can find a renewed life. That's all. I think that I think that what the what social media has taught us, that there. If you have an idea, you love something that means that there, you know, there's a variable x number of people who work will also would love that thing if they knew about it. So it's just like where's, the you know: where's the sub read it for that thing, whereas the forum for that thing, you know that you don't have to listen to someone

someone says yeah this sucks. You know, like I'm, now remember seeing something like mystery: science, theater, three thousand for the first time and going this is special. I don't know what this is and that Joel Hodgson idea of like we never said everyone was going to get this. We always said the right. People will get this yeah and it's just a question of you know. Then it kind of becomes a marketing issues like okay, great will. Then how do you find those people? How do you get this in front of those eyes and I think that's the back in be tricky, even with social media. But to me going back to my growing up in in the Eightys and Ninetys, and I took pride and finding bans that my friends I know about introducing a being like like. There was a ban that I hugely loved back in the day called morphine, and like you were deceived, you isn't it is amazing and introduces new people, and I think there's something about that with with obscure films that are not embraced by the mainstream. You feel, like you were one of the ground people that you can introduce that movie to your friends to other people in watching

audience. Grown grow, permit verses. Having billboards and marketing material say go see this movie, everyone basically telling you what school versa you finding something that you think is a binding that sub community or that ready community. They love what the EU can discuss with it. Since I love finding them that organ or obscure the don't have that you Johnny AIDS in introducing those movies to other people, and again I did a successful my career, some of my friends have that would like the devil's portable series. It was talked about. Fan community and online. There was no marketing. There was no more. We had zero dollars and dna, but we sold out every theatre because the pain found it in the interests of their friends. How did the fence fight like how're how're you fifteen years ago, connecting you know any precision, the era. How how are you getting the word out to these luckily go atomic this idea about ever successful movie if it was not for saw, I would not have been able to do that- got static

as I had saw. People were like always the director of saw what is it, and I think that, from a critic standpoint I get my critics hated Rita and I think I talk, but it's a lot at stake for sushi you see something. If I tell you hey, let's go up or stay in you, love stake. You like awesome must go for state aid, Here too, a sushi restaurant you're gonna be passed now, because nothing really don't like sushi, but you were told you're getting steak and I think that for me, with with repo here, I come off of three successful saw. Movies and daring thousands back with a new horror opera note what the fuck is and you go when you see parasol singing its trash. You like this is fucking horrible. I fucking hate it they think that sushi burst stake thing. If, if it would have been promoted as here's a can't be rocky were picture, show ask thing it's over the top its flamboyant. It will mean that the context they, namely the context, yeah yelling

texts, and so I was able to use our per lay. My success would saw to be like the solid director is coming your town, you come meat and take, it's your side, Autograph Incumbent theatre in it took us a hundred. Some day we literally got any van, the Van it smelled regret in tears of us just living and fill driving from city to city, the city. And we built many armies and those many armies became the biggest vocal mouthpieces we could have ever hoped for They were marketers and they told their friends, their friends told their friends and that's how it does but without the successive saw I'm showed that would not have happened, but also that an important step for you, the creator and an artist, because then all of a sudden, your conditioning, the audience of like all this, there

husband. Guy can do literally anything like he his his next thing could be. You know I don't know like you can make a movie have just like talking rocks and people would be like yeah, that's what they're and does he just makes human right? If you get the idea- and he does not- find anything. It's just whatever he's into so on my instagram, I just posted it today and therein underscore Bozeman is I posted. I got to go to Japan for three and a half months and shoot a japanese tv show in job he's no English whatsoever is wired translators. awesome because it would just weird- and I wanted to go to Japan, so I shouted japanese tv show for Hulu, and I think that I that's again my favorite boredom. For years whether in bouncing from spiral to immerse theatre, too,

companies tv shares its never safe and it's always unique, and I think that whatever I do next will be as weird as the leap from saw two reaper was, but I think that is that's where I hope that you are able to really appreciate your success, because I dont think you yes, you know in terms of like material success, someone could have a billion dollars fine, but I dont think that means anything, because I think successes really do you get to do the things that you want, and you have to do things that you don't want to survive and if you and if you can say yes to the first question and no to the second question that is really structurally, the most success you could ever asked for that you get to do what makes you happy and you don't really feel like you have to compromise too much to do anything that you don't want to do and you get to try things you get to explore. When you look back at the tapestry of your career,

Oh my god, I get to do all these weird fun things just cause. Each thing just sounded find interesting to me, and I hope you realize like that is. You're, it's you so incredibly fix it up. I I appreciated that might make my best thing about looking back at me. specifically now that I've kid that I am able to kind of look back on things is that I have been able to make my passion projects. If I want to make something, be it I call my agent and say I want to do a large scale. saying immersive theatre thing like sleep no more, I can do it if I say Wanna go to Japan and shoot something. I think that that to me that correct is that people get hung up on money or the size of your house or your toys, but I am one of the few. Well, that I know of my friends that are filmmakers. They can constantly get things that I want to get made made an end.

Right. I mean I'm very very lucky for that for that ability, but I also think that material success has its own trappings, which is, if you were, if you got really successful, doing something like really one thing: you're making like hundreds of millions of dollars or a billion dollars, potentially you might kind of get stuff, met lane and as an artist, it will be difficult. Like I mean this is fun, but I really want to go doom, immersive theatre or make weird genetic opera, and that we like. No, no, no, no, no, you can't. You can't do that. You got it you. You know you you're on this. Money, train you're on this material train and you gotta keep back going and if you'd step outside that lane, people aren't gonna know how to take it.

I mean like, and I cannot pretend it had all my wife, the on tax that you are talking about. I wanna put you on the phone with my wife and sell her on that idea to sell her that this is the only a success that we need a minute, the billions of dollars, but I don't, but I don't think you know it. Obviously I know spiral had had a budget had a good budget, but I also think you know too robs point you like having a hundred million dollars, doesn't necessarily mean that everything gets easier and when you can throw money at a problem, you don't always come up with the most creative solution, because you can just throw money at it? Why don't know just go we'll build a new figure. It's supposed to you know if you have real restrictions that you have to think around you to creatively problem solve. You know. I have you found that that's where some of your best stuff has come from, because you had to think of a way to do something. Cuz, you just do

the money to buy it absolutely cedar. So so there's the creative process that that always happens that you know you, you get more more cooks in the kitchen. Where I might have an idea and the producer has an idea, inaccuracies idea and next thing. You know that you do did one idea with four or five idea to try to reach some kind of compromise. You know that the less the budget, usually the less time you have to make the movie the less days you have so you kind of lose that that chorus line or cooks and the kitchen where you have to make decisions on the fly This is what we're doing like on Saint Agatha. We had very little time to make a movie and we had such a schedule where it was like one take move on this after get on a plane and three is and has gone, and that meant that there was not second guessing yourself, you to go You got, you had to say and do it this way we don't have time to fuck around and not shooting alternatives is what we're doing and em there's something free about that. You talked about getting in the other room, at least when you do that

be bossy, and you know that your choices that your locking yourself Emmett these choices because- and yet it room, and you have seven different ways to play. Seen then that that cause another problem. You go back the dilution. Everyone wants to take. No one of you did that. One look and said that one law in every one was to put their two since it and you ve left with a mishmash so sometimes, less money, is better because you don't have that a bill, You have to make decisions quickly and concisely and that's what you left with

more more of a singular vision, but you know also working on a lot of different types of movies. A lot of different scales of movies. A lot of different subjects of movies like different mediums, is such great training, because you have all these amazing skill set, so you can pull from so that when you are working on something it's like ok, this is traditionally this level of movie with this kind of budget. However, this is a situation where I actually can pull some immersive theatre experience are. I can pull some you, no genetic opera experience or I can pull something from. You know a goes from Saint Agatha: it's it's like working on. I feel like as a creator doing all these different types of things is probably crucial, because it's giving you the amount you learn with each thing. I'm guessing is giving you this whole new stool dot set two hundred and twenty two work from on your next thing. It's all cumulative from everything that you've done

I've gotten something has happened recently in the last three years, which is exciting. For me, I don't know where it's gonna end up going, but since I've done differ, things are done: immersive theatre, I've done, foreign films in foreign countries or foreign markets. I may horror films, I see job, these coming from different places now, as opposed to a singular thing about my agent saying, here's, a solid knock off, scrap you read it I'm getting hate you I got offered a Broadway show last year, but before the pandemic, like that, is it new, financial and creatively to me. I get offer activation for things like COMECON. We're like hey, you know who is due. This thing you wanna put together activation for their new big temple and I get movies and then in the movies I get this year a week I got offered amusing. what why do they got eggs? I made a fucking musical, but I also get off at a horror movies. So I see the avenues of things I can't do opening up, which is also exciting to I don't feel like it.

stuck in one thing of just making saw not ass. The just magics can wrap this up. You are there some other, some other props in Iraq, as I'm I'm I'm in my house now where we have and full disclosure the disease. Crops are mine. All the horror. Props are Lydia's way. What am I looking at behind? You? Don't want a mansion behind you. What am I seen behind you? That's why you're seeing back there is a jack and Sally and stretching reports from behind a mansion or liver or under you in Citys. You wanna see you showing some in Co Uk things too. I can't write now. Ok, you just showing I do know that just skeleton from you had So let me show my lifestyle should now it seems you got what you get. My office is really dirty Solomon. Once a year ago

you're. Looking at so all my posters in props from each posters are thought to have the battle We all saw three over there has a that thing that cuts jigsaw, xenophobia that somewhere shadow boxing in railways that before other by Henry Mother's day? Has a nice each of these things? Has my posters and our hung up yet abattoir, which has obviously I got these guys over here, and there are monsters in the back row covered over with a thing to my daughter's terrified alone, but see back over you'll get a hold on trying to figure out of either your back there's the steamer trunks, and then this prompts all on the walls of shipping. I take from movies. I typewriters I get set design and I'd taken home with me. So I will literally find something that I want like I collect typewriters, so I'll be like either character has to have a typewriter, wider, secure data, what they would use and so I'll get the production of by the typewriter. So I can then take it

with me at the very end, so arrogant, metadata, collector, no added that is bad, the collect right there, that is some very creative thinking. Yes, so I will I will literally look at thank you and I'll. Tell you, which I recommend filmmaker, should look at doing as well as my advice pay for props pay for them like. I will go to the proper apartment I say like until I got Billy I said: how much would it cost to build? The Billy Darlin, I think, was like eight thousand dollars, and I said here thousand dollars army to pay for it, and so the very and I take it home- because it's now mine, because I rented it the production, so it I've here, yes, in this one piece of advice, I will actually give my care terms- and I click prop and a lot of my movie- something that I know whether it be a book that they hold a cane that they use. I will, I will make sure that they have an economy prop just so I can take it home to have that kind of cross. So I

by Dayton. Colleague Kane you didn't need came, but I wanted you to have this really order came so I could put something in the shadow by. To hang up there, though, so it's something it just find that ideal. But will you can't see in this? horrible and I'm a terrible person there are these doors down here. It's stuff, the props but they're all getting broken because my kids come in. So I have like, like shit from you, know: shit from saw two in there. This is probably getting broken into Stroyd is think their toys they think or toys. In my last my last points I restored Junot, adding a talking about this once before I restored unit, but a mile from the house. in that storage unit. I will take every piece of trash from a set that their throwing away papers that jigsaw. Rode on you know As someone shoots themselves, I will pull down the wall with the blood splatter and I will put it in my store, JANET and-

I have not done anything with its whenever about fourteen years, a props in the storage unit of just bullshit that known and probably want, but, unlike its awesome, why a blood splatter is. I have closed that are too slow in blood. I mean that's genius because you you couldn't to like you could just you could tour that like if there was a lot here about here, are not working through his collection, weird shit, that he has but like this so I also boxes everywhere a prompt. So this is a problem we ensure within this one. Ok yeah clothes. This is this is something that Stephen more war in the baron's. Here's the knights sheet. had in the baron's here. Is you know it's your clothes of actors and I'd put it box.

Unlike you know, what I don't know, it's gonna be worth anything, but I was but that's what I love is that it's almost like, like you so clapboards, like just this kind of minors, it's almost like thereabouts. Men, collector first director second What are you so you know it's funny, as I keep saying I'm terrible I gotta follow through. We should. I need to follow through the blue crew, keeps asking me: what are you proud, I got so much shit too soon to those guys over there that could it did these avid collectors a horse, shit, she's getting destroyed in my house, so I was so glad you're here off. I knew I there were great. I love that yet so nice, so nice and- I thought about buckin props, like that places unbelievable, I walked in and I could not believe that I was in a residential house like it was a total, suburban residential neighbourhood, thousands tolling only outside in your like he's a fucking kerosene you're, leaving

they had. Meanwhile, they had become, they they they going to show you something, and I was like us, amazing, its carousel and they got press the button and I pressed the button in aid programme, the devil's carnival music to Oh, my god, this is business, experience a levy or work of the artwork in the little podcast room. I I want to thank you for their introduction and thank you for have me back on the flawed guest. No, absolutely honestly, any time I'm just looking to see if there's a couple problem are able to show you a couple. A Lydia's brass appreciate them. This is this, is this is from the howling holy shit. This is all a wolf had from from the howling and moderate it. So that the eyes light up, but I think the batteries dead home again so that that that's pretty me

let's see what else am I looking at here? We got, we got gremlin. Lydia got all these gremlins from a Rick Baker auction, so we've got some friendly shit. Prevalence. Here I want to Joe Dantes House and a geek out when I saw gizmo. Obviously we have about. We have we have this guy, I'm a guy, that's amazing! Here we have the smart. Why guy

what else since Lydia's I'll take your movie is army of darkness. So this is an evil ash that is, it had appliance data that we approve the sign when he came to do the podcast. So I mention these young kids. Yours therefore, This is about it ass. I love. I loved. The prob show until makes me so happy. This is a real bummer for an audio podcast like oh, my god, yet so I got I don't like fucking monster has within it It's just like I have like the dishes on my desk in like this cuz I'm going to fuck my kids up like so we can see this. Like turned in in eyeballs random face

just get up here, so you so much you're gonna become serial killers. There's no there's no question in mind at all. You know what that is falling desensitize. Do it be, like you know, like that would be like that horse shit. I, whatever I don't care my dad within that stuff. You know I want to be a banker like who knows they might. You know they might not be my last collection right that I have, which is not not movie related elegancy theirs, but I collect all magic books, so I have tons of like books from the nineteen early on eighteen, hundreds of just old magic stuff, and so I ve got really in the magic than when collecting magic books and magic, props and magic tricks. So that's my that's my other collection that is real fucking cool those are really cool. I think I have anything else to shut. Well, there's a there's a dialect over there. I don't know if you can see it again,

I can't see because the light the hour I'll take I'll. Take you over, oh, my god, so data is up this. Is the company Meda, Meda, a replica of its own. This one's fun. Oh my god, it's fuckin hilarious, so I came One day when we first within this house- and there was basically just Reagan from the This is just sitting in our fucking voice, a edit scared the shit out of me and Lydia got it from multiple lose. I think, and it's not from the movie, but I think it might have been from maybe the universal right for one of them over them. Maize's gather up- and it said the boy for a while, and I really made me uncomfortable every time

and now I can't imagine not having like we're so used to I'm so used to it now here, but that's it, but that that's kind of a crown jewel and in the last one. I think this is mine. What's mine is a guide back to the future at anything better the Sea high school, like there was one of the posters from nice school. That's it brought about the future. Yes or next item data may go to my stuff. Do you not take a picture? You'll love that its literally from floor to ceiling shit from fourteen movies, just a mushroom Gillis things it no one had ever want, but I just stuck in a storage in it, so I can't I get away. I really hope I get to see with some points he asked I mean it's, you know we probably, hopefully the thing corrects itself very, very quickly and people are starving.

we back out again. Thank you dare and bear these Viral Ireland Wireless by welcoming into a spiral with having either what yadda as it comes in theatres on May fourteenth, and then I think it goes on streaming like three weeks later, something that may fourteen well really great job woody, and I thought absolutely enjoyed it and I'm I'm so excited tat. You ve done yet another new thing, it's different than other stuff. It you ve done before, we're gonna go see spiral the end intended is incomplete, Are you alright