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David Yarovesky Returns

2019-06-01

David Yarovesky (The Hive, Brightburn) returns to the podcast! He and Chris talk about making films with a limited budget, what he learned from making music videos and where the idea for Brightburn came from. They also talk about the response to Brightburn, how it is working with studios and they talk about the stories of some of their favorite horror movies!

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Welcome to the it tend to podcast number one thousand and four I been having amazing time in Nashville, which is, I am right now when I'm recording this. If you don't care about that, though, where I record in droves and outros, but nationals an amazing town, I will be in SALT Lake City next week at and one's Gangs Kennedy Club. So we got it. Ten t dot com you can. Tickets and info for that. Oh, my god, you can hear a husky. My voice is, I know when I've been doing songs in the shows and it's fun.
But it thrashes the vocal cords. But then I can sound like this. So I guess that's a plus. Let's talk about the community Cork Board right now for id ten t folk events id ten t dot com. Is you submit for that, like Harold, who writes after successfully funding pull your card? Music trivia, hip, hop addition. Addition on Kickstarter pull your card is about to release our first expansion pack, the 90s hip, hop expansion, pull your car, does multiple choice, trivia card game that includes skip reverse and pick any player cards can be found on Amazon by searching pull your card or hip hop, trivia or just go directly pull your card: trivia, dot, com, Valerie, right, I've been listening to podcasts forever. Thank you and I thought it would be a great place. Everyone know about my audiobook changed honeymoon. I work with author Stephen Receiver Ramirez to bring this young adult story to life, Ruby bright funny. Fourteen
old, who loves shoes in horror movies, on an insane mission to get her parents back together, but she can't do it alone. She needs her two best friends, her dog, arrogant, filmmaker, a bizarre collection of actors and a chainsaw wielding movie killer. What could possibly go along this. Why a comedy horror! Audio book was a lot of fun to produce and I hope those in the community love it as much as I do. You can find the audio Amazon, audible and Itunes. Links are also on the website. Valerie voiceover, dot, com contact information is also there. If you'd like to work in a voice of a project together, she says all right nicely done. Valerie This episode is my friend Dave, Yarvi Ski who directed breitburn, which you should add
so loosely go see a lot it now. If you remember this, and that Dave was on that, I guess had four years ago, because he also directed me called the hive, which was a great indie horror movie, and I just gave us a great guy he's a dear friend of mine, and I just think he is such a amazing fresh voice in horror. As this film, which is sort of like horror, superhero genres, mesh together and so support indie film makers, in a sea of giant giant budget stuff like make some room, make some room the for the Indy guys, so it was really great to have Dave back on. It's been so fun to see. You know what he's done the last few years since the hive and I'm just proud of 'em. So I now introduce you to episode number one I was in four days. Jarvis key AKA K, a yarborough that got anything to.
Horror it's a roll it initiating. I dnt Protocol who's the horror, podcast so these guys are great guys are great and his house is insane yeah. It kind of similar vibe, where it's like. This like little will translate in room yeah, but Trevor is like they've gone.
They've got curved so in too much cooler and then here I mean here. It's like. I don't know that secret bookcase back into the studio, yeah and then but his attention to detail to, because he basically has Is incredible, portraits in that studio, but there I don't know if you explain it to you, but they're actually sound absorb, yeah, so he found a way to to like print really cool portraits onto absorption metabolism or something yeah, and so it's like everything is is not only a statically cool, but it's really functional too yeah. That's that that's kind of really yeah! I didn't. I didn't do that. The guiding go that far. I just put the panels on the ceiling there yeah yeah, but you have your own vibe, but just it does feel like a little bit of, secret yeah. This room didn't exist. This room was just walled up yeah. I see that yeah yeah yeah, it's concrete, and so I had
and and now it's the notes, podcast room. I I think a podcast should feel like a stylish bomb, shelter yeah. I was gonna. Hey case of nuclear war. You don't know it could come in here and podcast. You know during the nuclear fallout, yes my plan was always if, like nuclear war, to break out that I drive to James, is house and go into his cigar okay, so it's a little bit closer than ever at all the way out there yeah! How are you I'm good? Are we have we begun yeah we yeah yeah, we're already recording good. I I love the the the studio send me. This great brightburn mask yeah, and it's it's actually a great. It's a well crafted yeah, it's a well crafted automate that by hand. Actually it's did yeah yeah, it's funny how it's funny. How are autumn my wife designed the costume for the movie and then and then the studio
came to her which, to their credit 'cause, they could have just like shocked it out to like you know some factory that didn't care to just make a bunch and pump him out, but they went to her first and she said I want to do him 'cause. I want cool- and so she she made him, she made him dining room. I have been watching maker and then they send it to you, which is really cool that here, how full circle we she did a topnotch job. I should probably post a picture, then of because I don't know how I have to make my eyes red, so I put strawberry kit cats in the eye holes to make my eyes look red, but it didn't really. It didn't quite capture, scary, no especially 'cause. You can see the kit, Kat Logos and the kit Kat. Logos on the package just make my eyes kind of look like cartoon eyes, and so it didn't really have the effect of being murderous alien child that I had hoped yeah that it would have so I'm going to have to figure out how do I figure out some other sort of
for the eyes, maybe like red film or something in there, so that I can still see through them, but it kind of gives the impression that well to be You know, there's only red eyes in certain moments, so being just totally dark. There also yeah, but the red eyes. So red eyes is just a hard thing to not one hundred and eighty yeah I mean for people who are real nerds about the podcast. You came on when you did the hive: yes, is such a great movie thanks and as someone and I'm going to pick your brain a lot because of someone who might try to make a horror movie, I just need to know 'cause waiting what one of things that you're are so amazing at doing is you're great at working with effects on above yes of being able to make effects? Look really cool without having you know a hundred fifty
one dollars to to do that. So it's like your. Your films are able to feel the stories feel intimate, but the movies feel a lot bigger than our budget should allow you to do it's a big illusion, yeah. He goes to you directed commercials. For a long time. I directed commercials directed music videos. I learned a lot music videos. What really taught me how to likes, spend nothing and make it look bigger, because we always had nothing you know and if they would come to me and be like hey, we've got ten grand. We make a video for us, and I I wasn't doing anything and I I needed to learn, and so I was like yeah but but but that's nothing, you know, and so, but for
who is young and hungry and trying to learn the craft of of filmmaking? It's an opportunity. You know it's a budget of something and so figuring out how to be smart, with money and and and use it responsibly now now the truth is, is that while I have developed, I guess an ability to make things, look like more money than they are or to like. I guess, do, effects on a budget. I hope to you know
did not do that forever and and and hope to hope to one day have a a big budget and and use different skills that I have. But but yes, it is got me this far well too much money can also be a bit of a curse, because then, when you can throw money at a problem and if you tend to not what can when you're able to have convenience, sometimes it can you over because you're not a force to be as creative as normally can be, and that's why you know when, when James Gunn made the jump from small movies to guardians it, it was, it was such a feat because not everyone can go for making smaller movies and make a big movie. That still has nice intimate story. Button looks stunning at the same time. That is, that is a completely separate skill set, and it's not one that everyone has, because when you get a lot of money, I would imagine it's like oh yeah, we will just
budget at it. It's a good, doesn't fix every problem. You still have to be creative and stuff to tell a good story. Yeah yeah, but you can't fix a script. That's that's it! You know it just can't, but but it's true what you're saying is exactly true right so like when you start out on your past, to become a filmmaker. You start as an indie guy, and at least I did and a lot of people I know, did you start and, and you get very tiny amounts of money, and so the skills that you develop is essentially like a skill like you know, I get like I said ten thousand dollars for to me music, video, twenty or whatever does not? Fifty thousand dollars make a video. I am handed that money and then suddenly, I'm a producer, I'm a line producer. If I had it, you know, sometimes it be a first eighty, because you know I want that money on the screen, so my own first, a d I would edit this thing. You know like I'm wearing so many hats that it's less about me being a creative and really making big like filmmaker.
Choices it's more about like surviving getting to the end and having something to show for it. You know, and so you develop skills along the way, but all of them are like to help you make something at that budget, but then, on a movie like this, were suddenly I have a team of people around me. I have a first, a d I have. I have you know of the effects supervisor I have. I have a producer line producer or production coordinator, all those things suddenly none of those skills that I've developed as an indie filmmaker aren't that useful, because I am now my sole responsibility is to be creative right. You know, and and certainly I'll still use my my mind and let let you know the things I've learned in terms of being smart about how to spend money in places, but in general, all those skills are are are now useless because I've kind of leveled up
it's like now. I have to learn a whole new set of skills. How how do I? How do I sell my vision to thirty different departments at the same time and make sure they're all working harmoniously? You know, while, while the producers and the financiers are all you know, you know how do I line up all of those pieces to be harmoniously working together and yeah because it made you also have to be. Not only do you have to hire people that you think share your vision, but that will also so do their job? Yes, but you also have to be a good communicator yourself, because you might get something back that someone in a department did an imaginary like why. Why did you think this is what you're saying yeah Yes, it happens more than you would think. Why didn't you finish this? When you do it, you know it's like how do you? How did this get twisted? Yes, yeah as you have, because the imagine you have to you have to like there's that managerial part that you
we don't think of when you're, young and hungry, and you just want to be a creative and you're like. Oh, how do you used to be an effective manager at the same time, which is not something that most creative ever want to have to do yes and and and- and times you see you see a mistake happened and you realize every step that led to it. You see One show up on set with, I don't know like I don't know a shark costume or something like how the fuck did you look. I don't know why Why should I bring a shark costume? They feel like? Oh, I said that thing about this show, like you know you try to get back to that one sentence: you said that one person sharks are funny. He wants sharks, yeah and then someone you know someone you can almost get fucked over by good intentions. I think we're So here's something like oh sharks are really cool, even though it wasn't related to this thing, and then they get that in their minds and they're like oh, I thought
wanted shark, so I told everyone they had to bring in sharks they're like oh, no thank you, but that didn't really yeah yeah, there's a lot of that, and and and the first time you know it the first time you're filmmaker who who who was on this level like before I I would. I would be a filmmaker and- and everyone be like. Oh great good luck kid, but on the You know I kinda elevated a little bit and- and I was the director- and so I you know, one of the things you forget is, as the director, your the director and people are afraid of you and they're very sensitive to your comments and stuff like that, and and they want you to be happy, and so there's this intensely want you to be happy. So, for example, someone came in and showed me something that was like very dark, and my reaction to things that are like dark in and sucked up is that I laughed first because
I I guess, is a dark up movie and- and I can curse right, yeah yeah yeah as dark up movie, and so so they put this thing in front of me. I start laughing and instantly. I just saw that they were like mortified and I was like I don't know. My laughter is good like that, so fuckedup so dark. But I I saw on one moment like how sensitive and- and I learned in that moment that, like that that people are taking my in much more so basically than they ever had before, and you know you don't think of you as any, and then when you're hanging out with your friends. Yes exactly right that, but that you in this sort of, I guess, we'll call it an org chart if you're at the top of the Org chart, then the way that
people see you as like their jobs depend on you being happy so that you know, even though you never said your job depends me being happy people just you know like the. So I imagine that you would have to work to establish like almost to a dial act with you're a cruel like this means this? This means this. If I say this, this means is, if you say this is I mean you know just so that everyone on stand each other yeah. Well, listen! It was a couple things. First of all I wanted to establish within that, like was gonna. Be you know I mean like like talk to me. Tell me if something doesn't work, I I want to create a safe environment for people to have a conversation with me and not feel like. I was going to be upset with them or not. Like things you know, I wanted to cultivate a culture of safe, open ness that people could say hey, I I you know I don't think is going to work. You can feel okay saying it doesn't want a number to the other. You know another
thing that I could really see happening. Was you know, you know someone will come to me and I'll go hey what color do you want this car to be melee out all these colors and they show me the car that is going to be an ivy league? Oh well, this would be consistent with our color palette and this and this and this and like great great great and they go off and and and I guess they have conversations the line producer and everyone else, and it comes back to me- and it's like why. Why do you want to spend one hundred and fifty thousand painting all these cars all around like what? No! No, no ok! I see what's happened here. No, ok, they presented main a bunch of options for colors. I didn't well that strongly in anyway, but if I could pick any of them as that one, but so they just wanted to make me happy. Give me the right, color and they're, like Dave, wants to paint the cars here's
that this so being sensitive to that and be and and and coming to see how it's just becoming more more more articulate with the way I communicate with cash and how many, how many productions have been a wrecked by good intentions I wonder where people are really just trying to do their job and they don't. You know it's like like. I imagine, writing a program if you don't put the specific language in there than the program doesn't know. So if it's like, that's we don't like you didn't it didn't occur. You say like hey. This is the most of I think if this is in the budget- and we can get this color, then this is great. But if it's too much money, it's like you wouldn't have known to give them the parameters. Yes, until it came back like almost
as a disaster exactly right. It is a bit like programming yeah, yes, exactly so yeah, so I learned to say: ok this isn't that important to me. So I wouldn't spend a ton of money on this aspect of it, because it's going to be only a small piece of this one shot. You know, but but if we can pick this, but you know so we just learnt learning those things I mean these are. This is like super in the weeds sausage making, but these are the kind of things that, when you, when you take that step up and start making your first, movie. This wasn't with the studio is an independent movie, but it did function a bit more like a studio movie. So when you make that first step up, these are the weird pitfalls you might find yourself stepping in, but that's the only way to do it is to learn, and I would imagine for anyone who is listening is like how do I start orders like we'll just direct to literally everything you can get your hands on? Yes, don't say no, don't and that that's going to be for no money for a yeah, but you need those skill sets because you don't want it.
Do anyone any good to get. To a position that they're not ready for yet with two money you're too much. Anything like you need to understand that first before you know like you, don't you wouldn't what you
first job to be like a two hundred million dollars, hello, I man, I I I would pass on a movie that size right now. I you know my first movie was in in the first time I almost made movies in two thousand four, and was this movie that Unite Britain, and I thought like was gonna, go how many did not was just devastated, and when I look back I I am so happy that that movie did not go because I eat, like a was not ready to make that movie I'd shot film twice in my life. You know like these. I spent three days shooting film on on Super sixteen, and I just you know I didn't. I do not have the skills and the the mind set and that.
I I just was not prepared. You know it took ten more years for me to get the hive and when I made the hive I was ready for the high, but it still was a big learning more years. Yeah, like nothing is you know anything, that's worth doing takes time. It is it's a long journey and you learn a lot and I'm governor as hell, and so it takes me twice as long to learn things but but but but yeah I mean it's a long journey and and and it's it's not it's like it's not uncommon, like it's very it's common for directors about my age to start becoming you know a director, and- and you know it is not like they just hatch at my age- it's like they spent twenty years like in the you know, engine
brothers, wrote this correct. Yes and it's. This is one of those pictures that when you here, you go all my god. What is someone do this? Before I mean it's the two, it's the like the perfect crossroads between two genres yeah or like oh, it's a superhero movie, but it's a horror movie like what a great what a great thing and also I think we are point in our evolution of understand superhero movies that we were ready for this to take the next step and sort of like how dead pool could have been dead pool. Ten years ago, 'cause, we needed like ten years of or years of being conditioned to understand what a superhero movie is before one could come along and like smash. It yeah smash the mould. It's the same kind of thing. That is actually the first conversation or press or anything I've done since the movies come out okay. So this is the first time actually can talk in a way. You know, because before the
As I almost bought anything right but yeah yeah, I mean yeah, it's it's, you know it's just cool mash up, right and and and it's like taking things you like about horror, movies, superhero movies and putting them in one movie, and it's it's interesting because the first movie I watched to prepare for this was unbreakable, because I love him break rules. And I'm breakable was a movie that I remember going to the theater and same with some friends and people coming out of it or like I hated that movie because this and this and this and I was like I was a masterpiece. I love that movie, you know and and then we you know during the process of making this movie testing his movies are showing it. The people came out pretty strong feelings like you know, some people come out and they really really really like the movie and some people come out there like. I what you know and and and and and and it was this weird moment where I was like wow like like we, we we do
many of the same things that that happened with unbreakable, where you like, merge genres and people have all these different expectations on what they want to see from super hero. From horror how much for they want how much superhero they want. How much it it's it's this! It's this very interesting thing, and- and I I didn't expect it to be as different people really reacted to movie like wow. That was really different. I was really unique not into me if very straight forward? We can tell is very simple superhero story. We're going to it was going to devolve into a nightmare slasher movies. You know the wheels are come off, but but people reacted like this is a very different movie which was neat and, and it also, it also shows you the power of expectations going into something, because, if people and that's why- I, like the
way that something is marketed is so important, 'cause there's so many it's like the movie edge of tomorrow is a fucking great movies and it got marketed in a weird way. So I think people didn't really know what to expect. They thought, like. Oh some other weird, futuristic Tom Cruise movie, and then you go, it you're like oh, it's like Sci, Fi Groundhog Day the bachelor rates yeah, but it didn't. I don't. I think it didn't maybe do as well, because I think that people's expectations, which are like when you take a sip of the drink in your I'm going to have a sip of this Coca COLA Introductory Water and you're like yeah. This is just water. If you knew it was water, you would've liked it exactly, but because you thought it was going to be coke. It, like your brain, got twisted exactly yeah. I remember the first time we did the first test screening and that- and there was that there was a couple people in the front row who were they. He asked questions after the green stuff and they were like. Oh, I was kind of expecting like big, like Avengers E action explosion, chaos and I was like oh yeah
we're a very small little horror movie, but but I remember thinking and just seeing that diversity, of of light expectations in the and and how people process the movie was really interesting, and you did that did that change because every time you make something I feel like the learning curve so substantial. So did that process of of talking to people afterwards and going to go. That's what you thought like change. The next thing you do yeah! I you know. I think you just you always learn so much like man. I feel like over the court you It's been a tree or journey for Maine and over the course of two years I feel like I've learned so much. I mean specially working with James, whose genius and working so closely with him and
during the way he processes things and and and going through it like man, I I feel, like I just absorbed at a thousand bucks worth of information. It's it's crazy and I talked to him and he says he feels that way after every movie he makes which is crazy because so many movies, so many big movies, but yeah, I think you're, just always learning you're, always seeing like new new things, through James. I learn new dimensions of preparation that I didn't even know were possible if that makes any sense like new You know I came in this insanely prepared or at least way more better than I'd ever been and more pressure than members were used to directors being, but but less prepared than James, because he would be like what about this. Do what what happened you know
and he kind of opened up avenues for me to be like. Oh, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I I've already started picking his brain about directing stuff yeah. I was very good, I know, but I wasn't. I wasn't prepared one day I called him to just say: like hey, you know. Sometimes, when you have time I just looked at your brain about directing it was like how 'bout now and I'm like, oh well, so what are you doing where they go yeah? I just wasn't. I just, but it had such great information. But again it's one of those things that no matter how many it's great, that people tell you stuff, but it just Imagine it's just like stand up or performing music whenever it's like you just you just have to do it to learn stuff. No one can No one can prepare you with words, known conductor with words enough. No, because what happens is you get on set and you think something's going to go this way and then it doesn't. You think the scene is going to work yet even planning the scene for.
A year and you get to set and you set up the camera and he looked at it. You watch the senior like. Oh, this looks like shit. Now what you know now now you're a fucking director, because the entire time you've just been a guy in a room making plans but of a sudden you're sitting there and you have you know, produce. Watching the monitor going about this you know that's going to be fine, ok, yeah and that's when you become a directores is the things you do in that moment to navigate the ship through the shaky waters, but isn't that I feel I feel like that people can apply that to anything which is no matter how you can only prepare so much. But your openness to flexibility, I think, is one of the most important skills to cultivate yeah, because most things you know, I mean I
It's a sort of think of it, like archery yeah. How many times you gonna hit the bull's eye. You know yeah. You know our golf like how many whole little ones. Are you ever going to get probably zero? So it's just proximity like how close can you get to your idea and how flexible Anne? How improvisational can you be within that structure? I feel like that's. Probably the most important skill sets sure. Well, I think budget grows, the need for versatility shrinks, because you have more and more time to pull things off. But for me I, like go in. I know every scene that that In the back of my mind, I I I I know what scenes could potentially be cut from the movie could not make the movie. You know if worse comes to worse. I know the easiest path through scenes before we start shooting in like, for example, what that means is. You know
times, you'll go to a scene and you're like to get out of the scene to finish this, to move on to the next thing I ten or fifteen shots, but not for every scene. I do. I have a plan to get out of a scene in a shot or two. I know how to I know how to solve those things so that so that when when I need to- hopefully I don't have to, but that those are kind of the dimensions of planning and talking about was like understanding for the chest, especially when you make a horrible understanding morning, just to create what it is. It is because you're making a horror movie right and so, and so it's in a way, it's like comedy where you're like ok, we're going to do this scare were like everything up for to happen and you get there on the day and it looks dumb as sky that's what happened and so you're like okay yeah. I'm I'm prepared director in this moment has three other options for how the scare to play out how the jump can happen. Pan over see it snap up CD jobs that
yeah like different ways to do this scare and then also at the same time, ways to get around the scare entirely. If you have to like just set it up and let it be ten, but knowing that, like you're you're, going to build you're going to pick up these pieces, but you're gonna bring with you back and work with an editor make that scene work, but but, but just and and and and part of the experience of making movies. You start to know you start to know. What's what's what's at at at a danger with a dangerous thing: you're gonna do what what has has a possibility for total failure. What might be ok but yeah? You start to read the script. Now I read a script on like the stupidest things things you would never think about online. That will be a nightmare that moment right. There will be a total fucking nightmare. No one can see it coming.
It'll be disaster on the day and everyone is free. You know you can just see those things coming down well and- and do you think horror is in a good state right now? I I I I tend to wonder. I mean like there's just so much of it no directions, but in general, do you think, like it's in a good place a well, I think it's in it. I think it's in a good place, because For a long time you know, I don't know why. I always relate this to this like like. What's that band? Ok, go away, ok, go kind of slipped. My careers throughout. In a way, but they didn't really mean to, but they made that first music video that broke out for them for like one hundred bucks or something like I remember two hundred, but you know the guys on the right, yeah and so, and so I get into music videos and I'm to my career starting, take I'll start to get slightly bigger budgets and they make that video and it and at the same time, that I I'm going somewhere, but this will get. I I so
so suddenly, every meeting I'm in there like, so how can we video two hundred dollars for two hundred dollars. They did it and I'm like I don't know, but I'm not going to be the guy to make you a video for two hundred dollars, yeah and so suddenly, like that was the first really domino, but all of a sudden people started imagining what happens if we don't spend half a million dollars on music video? What happens if we spend two thousand on a music video, because these musicians or going bankrupt. Yes, because you know in the 90s where you have that sort of rise of like the mark romantic videos which are stunning but also really expensive. It's like well the artists who, like there tools were getting pretty much all their money and they were getting expense for all that stuff. It's like they couldn't recoup that money, so it like. We have it's really amazing we're going to end, then you also have this sort of you know before the before the rise of vivo you have,
no one's watching music videos anymore yeah. You know now now people like you can rack up quite a few views on Vevo and sort of, but behind it but they're. Not it's not the same, but Not quite it does it's not what I will have the same and so yeah I can. I can honestly think there's like ten things going on that. I would imagine that make people go like you. Do this for two hundred Zachary, exactly so cut to a few years later made some music videos. Finally, I'm in a place where I start meeting was studios, and I like so this is movie paranormal activity an animated for nothing. So can you make a horror movie for nothing? He could never forget it's a business yeah! so and so and so go. It is so all this. A nicer to see horror, movies and every place, I would go there like okay, so we decide, to do. Is we're going to spend two million dollars this year and we're going to make going to produce eighteen horror,
is with that two million dollars and they're, just hoping one of 'em makes like fifty million hundred million dollars exactly and so, and so that became the thing for awhile, and so every movie you saw was a couple of people stuck in a house. Nothing happen till the very end you saw over and over No one had any money, you know and and then and then suddenly. I really think it was like stranger things that really broke it, but, like all of a sudden people started like spending money on horrible horror, movie started like out grow like they were just making tons of money. What is the what that? One of the first weeks we start working on this movie like an early pre production, there was an article they came out that was like you know. You know fifty sixty. Seventy eighty million dollar movies were moving off their their date because at ten million
fifty nine are horror. Movie was again placed on that day and they were scared of him. So so so suddenly you know people start spending money on on horror, movies and and as a result, your seem cool things you're. Seeing like things you could never afford to do before you know you can never have made a quiet place before this new, like reinvestment in money and and horn. That's really easily here, because it does make sense that bigger studio to be afraid of a ten or fifteen million, or even a five million dollar movie, because as the thing about horror, I think is that it almost the right horror movie almost has no competition. Obviously you wouldn't want to release the movie opposite Avengers, but but for the most part we did ' no not the same weekend. That was their weekend. Oh yeah, but I mean, like you pretty much horror movies, don't have the same.
Petition. I think that other movies have because it's such a specific audience yeah, and even if, like the core group of horror fans come out, it can be successful and then, if it tips and becomes mainstream, then it's like think it's crazy yeah, but it. But I also like the downside is what you said, which is companies go we're gonna make a teen movies. You know, for you, know a fifty fifty thousand dollars each yeah and then you start did you know it's like? Oh well, that's why we got flooded with found footage movies you know because they're cheap, the cheap to make cheap domain and then there's a flooding of like ok. This whole movie is going to take place in a video chat where everyone's on some sort of video chat exactly and- and you know that can lead to creativity, but it also just leads to a glut if, like 'cause, we lydian, I watch as many things as we can and there are so many movies. I feel like with horror you really kind of rate them in your,
we kind of rate them on a sliding scale. It's like you know great concept, maybe not the best execution. Couple. Good scares probably needs more of this. You know what the happened in the third act? Why did it? And so I don't I just imagine- well you know again, because these things are very hard to do. I applaud anyone who was actually able to movie and get it seen somewhere 'cause it's hard to do, but it makes sense. Yeah. If it makes sense and people see it, You deserve a little metal yeah trophy yeah, and I imagine that most of the problem, like most of the things that don't make sense to you, were just unforeseen issues like. Maybe there was footage that they didn't didn't, turn out, ok and they couldn't reshoot it. Maybe maybe someone didn't show up that day. Maybe it rained That was the only day they get you outside, so they lost the whole scene where they had to do it. You know, like I, don't know. Oh yeah, on the hive. I shot the climax of the movie in two hours
there's not a two hours and about an hour- and I looked at the d p and I was like we were never gonna- be able to shoot this with all these people here, let's ditch him and so me and the deep. He grabbed two actors and we ran away The crew shot at all hand held to just get through it because it because it just that they were buying us down, they were too slow, they couldn't keep up and we just wouldn't of had it into the movie- mean setting up all the lighting and all the everything like the entire way to I need to do this. We wait. I need to do that. I'm like ok! Well, I need to have a shot, this movie has to end yeah. We have to wrap it up. Yeah, I was doing a commentary, and I mean this is a bit crude, but I was doing a commentary and- and we were talking about advice for people making the first movie, especially if it's a half million dollar movie a small yeah. We like we did- and I told them that you don't get to ship when you make the movie because you're
so fast you ship the entire production down. You pages worth. Grand! Yes, exactly! Is that worth that scene that you wrote, and so I gotta be honest, sometimes it is sometimes it is. I told I told so I think it's on our our our commentary on the dvd going there, but, but but but like for real, like you're shooting so quickly and so fast that if I mean if you have to take a phone call, if your mom calls to see how you're doing you just lost like a set up to you now. No you should do is we should invent a we should invent like a video village, Porta Potty, so you can with the screen in there. It's still communicate on had said yeah on that, so that it you you're not losing any time yeah you can you never losing any time? I I don't think that anyone would you say
we've got the chevy, oh village, it's just like that's where you go to take your dumps, but still be able to direct a movie. At the same time, you like that people alone would pay a couple one hundred dollars from one of those to save them. Thousands yeah but you're targeting you're, targeting a group of people who have no money in the first place also known as a bucket in your Iphone yeah, exactly well no but books, but for real, though that is really like, like that is the kind of director vice that no one will ever tell you. But when you are making that first movie you you have no time, you really have zero zero zero top. So it is funny to say, but it's also pretty true like you, you cannot stop working and so yeah, but I think it in the wind up. The part where I could keep getting tripped up is, I feel endings. You know because horror movies are a bit of a magic trick, there's a reveal and sort of like you said. You know that
That's. Why th of the low budget ones are it's like two people talking and then something crazy happens. The end if the craze and you have the end is amazing- it works. But if the gag doesn't work, then the entire movie was of a bust in a way and a waste of time, and so it's very much like writing the end of a comedy sketch to wear it. You you were to make sure that the story sticks sticks the landing, and how do you keep surprising people when audiences now or just two savvy they've seen so many things, yeah there's only so many new, you know there's only so many is like there's a finite number of concepts. Totally there's a finite number scares yeah exactly right, but there is a finite number scares you seen. You see the same scares in every movie and I, when I was your research for the movie, I I've
watch, every conjuring movie Mama other. I just watched every supernatural, horror movie, you could back to back. I had a notepad and it just making notes on things and how things worked in the Mccain. Of what felt scary when and why it felt scary and one anticipation what a shot was. What when did, I feel the anticipation? When did not you know just making like really detailed notes and, like you just have to see if the same scare over and over and over and over again just done in slightly different ways. You know what I mean like like they did the jump scare in in the Annabelle movie, where she's like running towards the door and the door come gas open, and she you know, she's like all You know, and it's totally scary, you know it's it's you seen it forty different ways, but but it's it's just about how you do it and how you can
kind of reinvented for us it was like in in injecting superhero dna into those scares yeah. How do you you do you know to take this gag that gag, but like make it superhero. I always feel bad when I watch it. We watch a low budget movie, which is most of them and then like the story ends and then there's one last like ghost or demon just like run to the screen like crack, and then it just credits that I was going to like it didn't obviously there ending didn't, give them the it didn't matter, that's the way they want it, so they like. Well, I guess Just have a demon jump at the screen. I I don't know how else to I don't know how else to finish this, you know it's funny like like, like you'll, be surprised how much perspective you lose so quickly like
like you know there were. There were like I'll, give you an example to the jump scare in in the trailer where you know where just want so: yeah, internet, yeah, yeah and and like you, watch like trailer reactions online, and you see people like falling backwards out of their chair when it happens, because it did the job really got people, but the day before we released it. When I'm doing the like sound mix on the stage I'm watching we're treating the sound and I'm like, I don't know, jump working. You know because I've seen it only ten thousand times right. You know with different audio at different speeds. It different, there's different at night, I don't know, doesn't feel and and people are like a pretty effective, it's pretty effective, and and and I I released it going- I hope it works. I didn't I had always you that's the scary part to me. That's that's the real jump scare with filmmaking best that I go. How do I know because you see it so we dance and you yeah it just
you, lose your with new eyes or to really understand and to hear like different sounds different speeds, different it's like there's a million ways to do it only ways to do it? You got to just test it on people. You have to find people that you trust. You know you know. I remember I don't know if you like the movie in Hurst. I really like the movie interstellar yeah, but the scene where, where Matthew Mcconaughey's like time is fleeting. Source that we have now or diminishing resource, and I always feel that about objectivity in directing. So I always had this moment where I'm like. Ok, where I'm Matthew Mcconaughey in that scene, where I'm just like. Ok, This is my objectivity. Ok diminishing every day it's going and we need to solve, this this and this, and that you know and so and so that it's so so the game is like trying to hold on to that and and trying to trying to show people. You know try to put in front of people
and get their reaction when we were when we were in Europe. The last handful of days of the trip Lee got really sick should get this infection. This, like sinus throat infection, and so we were kind of balance. Ok, she were bedridden for the last handful of feud. As we were in the UK, which is actually great, that sounds great, as we feel like. We've spent two weeks like walking ten hours a day all over ITALY and then went to Disneyland in Paris, and so it was actually kind of nice to rest for a few days so neither one of us had watched T2 in awhile and we watched it and it's completely still fucking fantastic, and I and I had forgotten, like it's a horror movie like it really is a Sci FI, horror movie, and it was well done that, even though the effects were so cutting edge, it's sort of like ghostbusters, it's like the movie
works on this one story level, but the effects for the time were ground breaking in the music was ground breaking in the same thing for two two and it's just that doing that you get the entire movie, it's like they, they never can stop. I mean it's was the same thing in the first terminator. But yes, this this thing is Is it endlessly pursuing them sort of like the uh, the what's the horror movie where The girl has the std. That bit is a demon. It follows yeah. This is the same as it follows where it's like see. If this is yeah. It is it's uh. It's not like a quiz show, though, like there like at least twenty five yeah yeah std sexually transmitted demon. They should have called this actually demon, yeah yeah, but uh it's the same kind of thing where that has an inherent horror factor.
Yeah in the sense that it's not stopping and starting about solving starting, is the whole time. It's something chasing them, but yes, a lot of horror movies. Don't are not necessarily able to do or they try to force it in. Is that you know, T2 also had some heart to it, which is like how the how do you start empathizing with this? I mean the idea of it. Really melting, my mind: it's like okay. They took this kind of like cult movie from the early 80s, which was a great Sci FI called horror movie and they took the antagonist and they made him the protagonist, how the fuck did they like? What a g, this idea, and then you empathize, and how, at the he's, giving the thumbs up going into the molten metal. Where not like. Go to you know. You know yeah myself and then and then you're like you feel- and it really made me think, like okay, a good
or maybe also has to have some heart to it like it can't just be like hey we're going to kill these fucking people and then this bucking sucks you know unless it's just super grindhouse Ian yeah yeah yeah yeah. Well, I hope that people don't perceive that this movie. That way, I hope that people see the heart and it this movie for me had a lot of heart. I was very. You know that when I read the script a pry mark wrote there is there's part of the movie where it where Tory the mother is, is very like my son, special, I believe in in in the whole world you know. Is it ever every bit of evidence around her in the whole world, saying something's wrong with your kid and she's, defending him and and and to me I connected to that, because I was a weird kid I mean I'm probably
so we are to about about- I mean I you know I was. I was obsessed with horror, movies, Freddy Krueger and making scary movies my backyard and cover my friends and fake blood, and obviously you know when you're thirteen and doing that some parents might be like. Why is my kid coming? covered in fake blood, normal and and and so, and so my mom had to kind of go out there and be like he's just creative he's. You know he's he's a good kid, and so so to me, the movie really became weird, totally up dark, to her in a weird way, although obviously in the movie, the kid is not good he's a real bad dude. But but in a way it was sort of like I. I was able to make this movie because someone like Tori Defended-
me my sweet see there is a little hard really sweet. Yes, you know outside of really fuckedup thought was. Imagining is trying to understand why parents allow their kids to dress up as Freddy Krueger yeah, because he was like this. Murder, yes, the son of a thousand man yeah. I got a hundred made out of a hundred maniacs yeah yeah yeah. It's not learn from. It was a dream warriors where, where did send a hundred maniacs comfort, that was Ali dream? While I think it was three words because did you learn that that's where Amanda Krueger was their name Amanda Krueger? Now there she was a nun and then all the maniacs got yeah, and so it, but the thing you think about him. Isn't that he's that that is the thing you think of with him. Is that he's the the demon thing that haunt your dreams and write the backstory off? like get into that, you don't get into the weeds on that yeah yeah. I hope there if they ever reboot, that again ha
ok go on. Is that what do you think they should just leave alone? No, I'm! So that's one! I would kill the remake Oh, that's gotta be the next one, to see how you make that 'cause. I feel like the last one was like. Where do you stand on because I feel like you're, my perception of you is a guy that is squarely in the middle of practical versus digital effects? Let's see, if feels like you do you like Tactile, I could talk about this for real yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so, okay, okay, okay, okay, let's talk about and the reason I did a reason that I drove into this because I feel like that. Reboot that they did uhm there was like the it was the moment where the CG, where he was pushing through the wall. I was like: oh no, that's me out of it and it of it again. I'm sure was for budgetary reasons. Who knows I mean I don't know, but especially especially in
I feel like CG, though, like too much CG is dangerous because it it kind of spoils the effect yeah. Well. Okay, so you just opened a huge case, all right, so so, okay, where to where to chip away so practice. So so I sat in a million rooms trying to get my first movie at a studio and I've sat across from producers being like this is what we're going to do. We're going to do all these videos, we're going to these effects were going to be practical, we're going to build everything, they're going to be puppets, we're going to do all this stuff and that's how
save money and that's how we'll whatever and then on this movie were like we're. Gonna do and all this stuff practical and barely can use visual effects and would just you pick and choose whatever and- and you know I can tell you right now- that every practical gag that we had in the movie was augmented in some way with visual effects, because the the nature of practical effects is a insanely time consuming. So I can't spend a day doing this one shot. You know because that's it, you know. I got twenty nine days to shoot the movie, so you don't get a day. That's number one number two.
The the ability of practical effects, can only get you so far. I mean the things you remember about. Practical effects are like the best moments, but there's often like another shot before it another shot after it that isn't quite as good and if they at the time it had visual effects to help like blend or cover or hide or obfuscate. You know the whole gag would have been better so like, for example, uh. You know all of the destruction in the movie we were shooting cannonballs through walls and blowing things up. That's fun! Oh my god. It was really fun, but then, but then we paint that you know we they can. We get is like you know, big cannonball thing, and then we we just digitally paint Brandon and but but then we look at it and and it was like okay, so we have this practical log floating this way practical. Also in this way,
but it's not destructive enough, maybe more debris. Maybe more glass made more this more that by the end, you know, they're, certainly all the practical elements there than there enhances visual effects and smoke at it. Then we had shootings and separate elements. Then we had to paint Brandon and so, at the end of the day, that that what what ended up looking by far the best was a hybrid and and- and you know, there's what there's a couple shots that we kind of in the editing room invented were like what Brandon just went this way and did this and and we we went for a pull the trigger on it. Visual effects delivered us those those effects. They did a great job doing it, but every time we were there on the day, planning it and we shot. You know we we shot practical elements with it and we did all that sort of planning that you need to go into their shots. The shots looked night and day, better they're they're, not not even compatible,
So I would say that I am squarely in the camp of do everything you possibly can to have as much practical and as as much like act, actual practical elements in the shot and then and then enhanced. Do the icing yeah? That's what I that's. What I thought, but you're gonna say because the guy that that balance between the two and it it does feel like there's the foundational element of a practical effect that needs that's the icing of the visual effect to sell it. Like I've never saw the uh, I don't know. Maybe it was like nine years ago, eight or nine years ago, but they released the first I feel like it was. Maybe
the first season, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm sure the internet will correct me on this of the Original STAR Trek Series and they just enhanced some of the effects with Digital, but it was so subtle but effective, but they didn't try to paint over practical stuff, but it was just like screens in the background or those or those external shots of the enterprise. Just enhanced a little bit and it just it elevated everything so that to me, but again in a situation where it's like what we can to the right of that has to be a visual if we want any effect there. So what are we supposed to do? Yeah? Well sure I mean look to what you're saying right like like every time you see a movie where you see all these like make up effects on people where they have very heavy percent exit I eat anywhere from. I don't know if guardians to STAR Trek like you're saying, but you know you have these care characters. Actors were
these affecting you, you think of the shops practical but they're, not this. There's someone went in there and clean up the seams, because you know twenty years ago you'd see you see someone on on us in a star trek movie or something, and you can see where the for static ended and that right face began. It right got all crusty and we don't have a spot, and you know you know like not much has changed in the way of prosthetics. I mean they've they've, gotten thinner and gave now do silicon instead of foam and stuff, but in general they're still gonna be seems the seventies stuff, and so you using thanks again just kind of clean up that you know everyone, small percentage will bend somewhere or something we can just smooth it out, move it out. Yeah, I think a little cleaner yeah. I know people that on their own instagram pictures. Why don't we like it? We did a movie on a screen. That's going to be eighty feet, tall yeah! Well, that's the other thing too is the. I wonder
it's important to know when you're making a film going into it, whether or not it's going to have a theatrical release. Does that change? How you do things because you know most people are just going to see this uh. You know dramatic small small tv set yeah yeah, One most horrible never see a theater yeah yeah. When I make music videos and I'd I'd. I'd watch them on my I phone to make sure that they played well the sad reality is that that's where ninety percent of people watch yeah. I know when you when you when you're coming out of the theater. Yes, you need to watch a movie theater the for the first time we put that movie out on a cedar I was a bit shocked at how much you can see like how much detail there was like you could see. And and yeah. I was shocking and also also I mean this is this is kind of way in the weeds and but but but there was
you know, you're shooting you have a monitor like I don't know it. Twenty seven inch monitor something which is to monitor your look at you. Look at it you're like, oh, that we okay, we set up for a wide shot. Looks that looks plenty wide. You know and and then you you get to a bigger screen and you're like well. That's not really that wise, because, right on the monitor, yeah, it looks like the persons. You know an inch, but then you put it on a bigger screen are out. You know on on a year in cedar and they're they're still a quarter of the screen, so so yeah you kind of have to gauge what what a wide is right. You know and what the type is, because you know music video. We would not be uncommon for me to live on like an anamorphic hundred fifty millimeter land super flattering, you know, but it can be this big you know, and and but if it's on someone screen is just a flattering close up, but if it's
on a movie screen. You know it's just a face. That's all there is just off eighty foot tall face, and so so yeah you, you really do have to kind of pick your your, the the how you're gonna shoot based on, and I imagine also which details I got a report. We watch movie not a before, maybe not that long ago, and the lead character was a woman who was in a mental hospital and eight what the thing that totally took me out of it then I started going like I wonder, was that her decision of the drug seizure make ups is that it looked like she had like fake eyelashes, and you see you know so. It's like walk around fake eyelashes they'll do like a line of like when people wear fake, eyelashes there's like a line, I think of like to append well. I wanted to sort of blend it in and the whole time I was thinking like. Where did this mental person event
hospital, get fake, eyelashes, yeah, and then I pencil like it completely. It's always I went down this week. Okay, so was that did the make the make a person just kind of like all these will make your eyes look. Nicer was the actor like you know I just by like, fake eyelashes or was it direct are like? Oh, like let's pop her eyelash like I couldn't figure out, but I imagine like if you saw that on a screen, you'd be like you know it was like a giant. I don't think it came out on a big screen, but it's those little details, man. It is those little. And let me tell you like what you're saying is exactly right and it is sort of that the blessing and the curse of making these things is you. You know that that direct, I don't know anything about the movie you're talking about, they could have made a masterpiece and and they could have made every right decision,
but those eyelashes are going to bother forty percent of viewers and distract them, and so you know that is the way that is kind of the way the movie making processes like you're, constantly surprised at, like, like all of these things, work together so hormone clean everything adds up in this cool way, and then this thing happens in people attach themselves to it right. Well, that sucks yeah, there's a there's a lot of things. That's the pick up in game of thrones, there's a lot yeah exactly this cool episode or whatever. However, you feel about it in this amazing show that's playing out across all these years and then all anyone wants to do is talk about the coffee cup yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Exactly but again I think missed opportunity to make. Game of thrones and the sort of the Sci FI idea of the Renaissance world in West World, like that
could have been a great crossover like someone just steps through and help them and like one of'em just gets on that subway and leaves are like. Oh Fogel. Do you know, but I think people probably wouldn't have been happy about was the ending there would have been riots in the street, That's, that's! That's the crossover! That's happening, yeah. I think it would have been it would've been great twist. If someone just like woke up at the end, they would the whole time you know boy people would involve Bryant, so so yeah you can't have dream dead, more like that once that was done or the oh, I'm the ghost yeah I'm the ghost work twice. It worked on at work on six cents and it worked on the others, and I don't think you can do on line that goes anymore yeah. It turns out I'm the ghost yeah like like, like, like tirion wakes up on, like a subway He sleeping the whole time, just like all the other crazy, again, it's just like oh yeah, and then you see you know a generic
like, a lady who's like Harry for an audition yeah they're, all on the subway Jon Snow is like if you got a guy playing the guitar on the way. Oh, my god, you would've been blevins. It just seems like a really good thing about all the ways that you know. How could you because, like world Swat, like world scale riots without actually like launching a war like what what are the little things you could do that aren't like technically harmful, but would people to the edge to yeah but would drive you may the brink of extinction so that future generations, to like here's, a crazy story about how humanity almost like bottlenecked in almost went under because of this game of thrones popular at the end, you read social media. That's the fever pitch that everything is at right now or it's like, oh because some
like an ending to a show. Humans are on the brink of collapse. Yes, yeah yeah. Everything is on the brink of collapse. If you, if you take social, literally everything at the brink of collapse. Yes, yes, yeah yeah, that is, that is true. Well just so it's at one thousand one hundred and fifteen, so just sort of just thinking about the brink of collapse as a way to sort of wine. This chat down. I would love to talk about because you do live with something for two years and then it comes out yeah and I would imagine you have something that is a kidney to like a post, partum type depression with this brain baby that you have birthed yeah. It has been such a huge chunk of your life Is it a relief to be done with it? Are you already thinking about what you want to do next? You like. I need time I need time like I did you go or you know you always your depression, because it's done and you can't stress about it anymore. You know the depression comes from. I ate it a little bit, but I I I I I got a weeks ago. What happened was I worked in a room like
as the not much bigger than this room sign in and and James you would. He wasn't in the room all the time because, because you don't need to be, there were very non creative decisions being made, but you know in in a room with them and and wait with the editor just with a lot of people every day I wake up, go to office, be in this room with these people and got really because I mean you know it's. I really because of these guys and then just not seeing them on a daily basis. Kind of bums me out, you know yeah. This is it. I think anytime, you make something like okay. Well, there is that you know I I I I I I I I I I was driving with with my wife to to Starbucks or something like that, and I was like hey remember when we were working on that movies, just how suddenly everything, just like the momentum just like that our job
they are done, but yeah I mean I'm happiest when I'm working and and and truthfully like, there are different at different parts of the film process that are more or less enjoyable. For me, I really like developing. I really like the pre production, really like shooting the movie, and I really I get it in the movies and then once it starts doing the like release stuff in that that, like that stuff, it's it's my least it's the least enjoyable thing for me, because it's it's it's so it's it's It's just something different. You know, I don't know, I can't explain it's it's it's. It's doesn't feel creative. It just feels. Like I don't know I I I I I I can't possibly put into words what it feels like, but it feels like not not like any of the other phases where you're. Working with a small group of people in a room being creative and figuring things out. You are in a relationship with an entity like the thing yeah, I'm as an entity, and you are in a relationship with it and I
in two years is like the minimum that, for especially for movies like oh yeah, we could be with stuff for five years ten year you know if you're James Cameron, twenty years developed technologies or whatever you know so it it is kind of it is kind of, was wondering if it's like a bit of counseling the director go through it yeah right right, like 'cause, you do go through a bit of a loss where it's like you put it out there and it's a big piece of you and all the sudden people are screwed, using it in judging it and looking at it. It's not yours anymore. I know it's weird. You know I did George Lucas not go fucking insane. How did he not go insane? You know, look, here's the thing he didn't Twitter did exist. It did that you're. You know what that you're, that you feel like you're kind of joking but you're exactly right. Yes, people still gave him and it's like once it's out
world, like it's, not yours, anymore, yeah, that's part of the deal. If you put it out there for consumption, it's going to be consumed, it's gonna be consumed and not yours, yeah yeah. I think you know I can share ownership. I think I've taken a healthy approach like I I've. I've never looked on twitter about the conversation about the movie like I've idea. I I didn't really read any reviews. I didn't really like you know, do any of that stuff, because this stuff makes you crazy and- and that's you know, the weird thing about making a movie. Is it's never about the end of the process? You know like I, I remember in the hive that night you were there and when we introduce the movie and in Burbank yes like it was like I, I work that whole time and that number was three and a half years. You know to to get to that moment where we were showing the movie and it worked. You can tirelessly on until that very and moment introduced a movie watch a movie. There and I was like, but there it is, and people were like Starbucks yeah yeah exactly and then we were like. Oh ok, that was that
In that moment I mean he realized it. It's never about that hour and a half. You know it's about a life of of being creative and and working towards making. Like you know, a director's job is telling a story, but it's also improving improving the movie over and over an hour and finding ways to elevate it, make it better, make it better and then and then move on to the next one. But it's really it's really about enjoying that. You know because if, if it's all about the end, results you'll never be happy because the end result is, is an hour and a half, you show your friends, I guess I did the same thing in this. I got all my friends and family in a room. I showed a movie and an hour and a half was done. This thing I've been talking about in Europe for that, otherwise there, if you could have done in ITALY, I we could have gone. I attempting this Saturday, but that's the thing is that it's yeah, because you can't your no control over that you have no control
over it. Once you put out it's like you've done everything you can do and then it's like you know, people kept asking me or you service. Are you? Are you? Are you excited and I was like I'm I'm. You know it's, I'm I'm kind of none of those things. I'm eight like like I've, I'm really proud of the movie that I made and that I handed off and then it's going to go, do whatever it's going to go, do but, but but like I, I I I was excited to show my friends what I did my family, what I did, but somehow you know you've the world feels like so much smaller in terms of like twitter and all these things were, things are easily connected. By the same time, you somehow feel so do tax, like you, you see online peoples are tagging and things and the the oh, my God, there's a giant bus in Mexico City, that's covered in your artwork or there's. This is here in the world, but in a way it's just kind of pictures on social media you're, just kinda at home, playing spider.
And all your friends played it while you're making the game yeah. You know I spent most of this weekend playing playing spider man, that's what I did yeah I was so excited to be in a cafe in Venice since and I sent you the screen shot. Yes, where it's the film in ITALY translated to angel of evil. I love. I love that I I do like seems like like that. Seeing that stuff really like makes me happy to make you feel connected to this thing that is everywhere all these people are having these experiences with the movie, and I just feel like not a part. It's I'm very happy to be not a part of it, but but I mean I don't feel like a part of it like I feel like it. It goes like it, it is left the nest I'm going to go, live its life now and I have video games. I have to get another thing. Are you? Where are you writing anything else? At the moment, he's, like I'm yeah I've written some things, but I'm also you know
valid being this staying and I'm doing this thing at you know. I don't really have anything that I can like talk about, but it's certainly this movie has opened doors for me and, and hopefully I'll get to make some more will stuff, if I'm fortunate enough, so I'm so excited. I know how hard you've worked and I love I mean you have such a great this I in a great style and it's so exciting to and also you're just so nice, so nice office and let you know I have so enjoyed becoming friends with the other last year, cool and- and I'm just I'm so I'm so excited to see what you do next thanks man, because I do suspect that you will be you know you well sort of. I see a similar thing that happened with James for you. If it's a path you want, which is like the scale goes, you know like yeah, I grew bigger and bigger, be cool and
yeah my heroes were growing up. I I, my heroes were SAM Raimi, Peter Jackson. Yeah guys made, like you know, kind of you know, find horror like crazy movies. I love the frighteners by the way, all my god, I love the frighteners. I love the fright that is. Such a fun such a fun mood weird movie yeah. I think most people forget about, but it's a really really great little guys comedy yeah we're weird masterpiece, yeah masterpiece, but but yeah. Those guys are my heroes and- and they you know, went on to make a Lord of the rings and spider man he's huge movies and and yeah I mean I hope, one day to to make huge movies, but but but I'm, I'm kinda cool, making this crazy in Spain and Ireland, crazy, super hero, horror, thing that I made right now. If I, if I were ever lucky enough to start directing core movies, I don't think I would have. I don't have any I don't want to make
movies, you don't want. Maybe, like I love what rob zombies done, which is just like. I don't need to make movies any bigger than this yeah and there you know it's like, because I think it's just like a pressure thing like. I don't need two hundred million dollars to make a thing like I just if I kind of able to do the thing that I want to do in that sustains itself. That sounds kind of fun to me and I have a specific audience that into that stuff and I kind of just communicate directly with M and then it's kind of out of the you know it's sort of like don't swim formula which is like well, we keep the you know they kept the budgets below a certain amount because any bigger than it's like a bunch of other people get involved. Yes and they start giving notes and they start getting pressure It's like: if we keep it below this, then everyone there's, no one can do whatever you want. You want yeah. I love that. I love that I mean man there's something so sexy about just that. You know, but sad reality is I love visual effects.
I like the lowest set up. I like city, that Hannibal and and and that's just the reality you know like I, I, the the unfortunate thing is that my taste is just really visual, yeah and and and visual cost money. Yep we're It's now, god damn! I wish. I wish I could just do that. I wish I could just serve serve a that big and small group of excited fans. Are, it doesn't have the small but like it, you know, corner the market and then and kind of not have to do the dance, but I kinda weirdly, like Sci FI, horror movies that have no affects in them because they have to be so. Creative. Yes, like a primer, was a really interesting hello. Prime movie, at with that works like somehow they managed to build a time machine like in a cardboard box. Basically, you know an orange in the storage facility and time crimes which is not true,
there was another like there's, no visual effects in that movie, and it's so mine, bendy and hit you just picking. All the time travel movies. This time travel well the central yeah. I guess it's time for movies and in particular, but or r than like. You know I love time for the dude you plus Brown yeah, like they. They you know make movies on iphones that look that are really cool where it's like. Oh, you didn't, and, and that's where you realize, like all the effects, all the bells whistles are icing on the cake, but at the core you just need a good story and you need to be able to communicate that story well to people in those are people that are yeah. I know I saw, I saw guardians to assault, so the first cut of guardians. To that you know there is virtually no visual effects. I remember it was at the screening that it was it was on. I was. I was ever that a second second serve yeah. You saw very early, I yeah earlier there was like sort of like great out. Like effects are going to go here. Yes, and- and we were we were both there was like it's works quite great. The effects were just an enhancement.
Answer yeah yeah the the way I saw it was even less involved in that it was just people in front of green screens right and you watch the whole movie and went yeah that works. How would you move away? I cried. He works as a play. Yeah, then, all the other stuff, on top of it is, is extra yeah extra bonus, yeah, but I mean it was literally. You know you know, Kristen and Rooker hold holding each other on a green screen. I and I, and there were tears coming out of my eyes and I was like wow it plays it plays like this, you know and that that really speaks to what story is and what what's in
in the story, and that was that was a no. That was the same. The same kind of thing we talk about to do before, like how do you take an attack us one movie in making a project, as I got a lot of that the value change of that is so much fun. But don't you wonder when you saying that I was? I could help with think you put myself in James Cameron's position to cast a guy who you know was you know a kind of tough guy when you cast him in Terminator, but then became like a beloved household name and friendly faced Mujer dark by the time he made Terminator two. I can't help but wonder if, if um the world kind of tied up that brilliant choice in a way. I absolutely agree with you yeah, because what an excellent use of Schwarzenegger in the It's like well is: he sounds very robotic when he it's like well we'll just kind of like he's with perfect for him. He's a machine keys, yeah she yeah yeah, he's built. I mean he talks machine, a machine you know so like they. He was able to utilize and maybe to that extent,
did the same thing where it's like well now these are his strengths, and so I he's done winds and stuff like that. I cannot get into the store they will to utilize the strength of whatever that whatever is put in front of him, and then that was definitely know your I I I didn't think about that, and I have We agree that that was that had to do with those the world teetered is invited to the guy kicking shorts in the back. Who are just like he just thought he got bumped. I know Why would you do that to someone? Why would you do that? To someone people are crazy about that stuff. They you know, I don't know why that was. That was the thing that fascinated me. I couldn't stop watching thinking. Why would you think that that's ok to do to someone yeah, I don't know I don't know there are. There are a lot of knots. Great Yes, I mean, I don't know, I don't know if it was the guy who gave mentally ill
he just I don't know. I don't know- and I don't know about- I mean on video and the guys flying in and kicking someone doesn't know in the back for no reason like yeah just seem like random aggression, but I do know that people, people who look at people in Hollywood as if they're not like, not real or if there yeah, because I do think there is that element like I do believe Humans- and this is you know, unfortunately, what our social media culture is not fostering a Do you think people have evolved to need to be in front of each other to understand humanity, and when you just see people in two dimensions, you're not seeing your not seeing them real right, you're seeing this sort of the machine expression of them and you're interacting with them. Through mean, and so it's very there's a lot of, a tremendous amount of depersonalization that takes effect and so yeah you're right. They just don't see them as real. I mean I mean I even member when I used to do,
lately years ago and you're kind of making fun of, in the news in a certain point, like I don't know, I feel bad like these. Are people I mean if I really got whatever they're, not real, it's like no, no, the real, the real. There really are in that job, they're sitting in a dark room, just taking cheap shots that humans, who are just yet you know not also trying to yeah just right yeah, exactly like that guy is, it is like you know, like you know like we do we all. We do that's interesting. We are losing our I I I r humanity, because I think we communicate with each other, and we experience the job they're, mostly in in humane ways, which I think is why people are starting to feel so isolated with social media when it should feel so connecting, but also yes, because we are falling down these trenches. They've of these hyper credit bubbles of our own little reality. It's like that. Also.
Is not is not helping either like we need to get out and you know experience we need to experience. We need to understand human experience, so we don't get for today or in the back yeah yeah, yeah yeah. That's that that's true, and it's it's also like it. I I I so you're. Saying, though right, because you know, when you see someone famous for the first time, you know whoever it is, there's always a part, at least in my mind or I'm like. Oh that's what they look like yeah. Oh there, a person there, a person, them they do things yeah normal yeah, but but but yeah I know what you mean. There is kind of like that moment of translation where they go from a 2d image in your on your screen or or or in a movie that you've seen into like just a person that's interesting I don't know, maybe there's something, maybe there's something to play with that. Maybe maybe maybe there's a maybe the horror
I should write is about- is essentially some trouble, an allegory for like fame, devouring someone and ultimately becoming like a sentient entity and devouring, and you know like basically just devouring every piece of of of a person. You know without without them, without them, really understanding what's going on, 'cause that you would always hear is like I feel, like famous sort of the same thing is the metaphor: vampire thing where it's like how many? How many vampire stories you see was. I really want to be a vampire. They get turned into a vampire to like what, if I they sort of feel the soullessness evidence, and you don't know what you're wishing for until it's sort of like the a warning for like ' what you wish for you know I will sort of feel like being really famous it's probably that way for some people where they're like oh wait, it's not at What I thought it would be, I don't want to be famous I've been around people were, are famous, I don't want to be
I would I I like it like a like yeah. I did it's it's it's we I'd as someone who's been around, but you're famous, not really, though, like I actually yeah yeah, just like a level of cable variety where it's like, which is very comfortable for me, which is the people who know who I am tend to be incredibly nice right and you know. Sometimes I'll get a nice table at a restaurant like it's like, like I said I want to get parts yeah exactly all. I got to go to Disney to see the star wars thing a little bit early, that's fun! You know yeah! I don't have to deal with. You know like where people people get in car wrecks because they're being chased by like that, does not sound yeah. That's like the public owns you and your property, and you, you know, skip that part is, and that was due to people's brains, yeah and and that the the walls you must put up of course, to protect the project yeah to protect yourself from that that yeah just a yeah. I mean it yeah it. You know it's it's.
It's weird! I I I I I don't think I want for myself avoid I want to think about, as you make your and when you make it to a million dollars, yeah big budget whenever there's plenty of directors who whose names you could hear that you couldn't like, imagine what they look like right now, you don't know what the I can and, and I'm okay with being that guy. Well, I am so I'm so happy for you and exaggerations and yeah, and then you know I I I'm excited to have you come back to talk about the next thing that you make with pride. I take a little while, and you know I do feel like the little present I have, at the end of every movie is to come. Do this podcast come on now I really do enjoy this podcast. One of my highlights of the hive was coming in doing that. Well, thanks man yeah! I think we did that meltdown, so it was more like we're in, we're in a comic book, store, yeah yeah doing a thing. Yes, so
it's, really cool yeah. So I look forward to what room will be in it's almost meltdown. I save that for meltdown. Oh, my god, you did. I was looking at that thing going. Where have I see yeah? It was uh growth of meltdown, my had all of the restored, so I just don't keep it under the podcast, because that was yeah, but it looks cool loud as didn't hear that from sunset no that was up on the roof and then that's the problem, yeah all because I've Do you have your own neon? No, but if we did some shoes with neon, it was like. What does that sound? need to invent a quieter neon, come on science and on that ship. All right uh, that's it! Thank you. So much good to see you you great to see you there and
Welcome home to word, salad, wrap, dress so number one thousand four with Jvr Maskey Yarborough GO see Brad Bird, it's my last thing before I get into the words out rap, which okay, no there's another lesson before I get into the words out rap, I'm, as I said, I'm in Nashville, and I just have to think anyone who is coming out to the stand up shows because it you know like it the the day, I'd like to have been all sign stuff after the shows and stuff, and it never fails to amaze me how friggin nice people are that come out to the shows or listen to the podcast or who watched the walking dead or who watched the wall or whatever it is let's say you're nice and really appreciate that, and just so you know venues. Almost all the time will comment on all the people that come to your shows are like really nice. So I really appreciate that that to have assembled nice
group of people. That is a tremendous accomplishment in my opinion, and I really appreciate it. So I want to thank you for being you and for being nice and coming out to the shows. Nationals are really. As I said, I love the town hutch since I was here the last time, they've implemented this thing called pedal. Taverns were people like group by icicle wilder drinking, I mean you may have seen him. I feel like maybe they're in yes, I don't know they're not everywhere, but it's like a table on wheels and everyone has petals and their drinking and pedal. 'cause. You know what drinking needs physical, exercise yeah doing some cardio shots. This is just like saying, like yeah, I want to drink a keg of beer, but I gotta get my steps in. I got to get a minute
that is uh and also they superclock trafficked. So when you're waiting to go somewhere bunch of people hooting and hollering they're getting tanked in traffic. It's it's a thing. I gotta tell you, but now on to more positive things, which is I can finally talk about for anyone in this is, if you don't really care about Disneyland again. This might be the time to bail out. If you have ready, but my old buddy will Wheaton and a week ago got to see a sneak preview of galaxies edge I mean we'll just call it star wars, land, because it's basically what it is. Even though they're not get star wars, land, it star wars, land, it's the first expansion of the park,
in who knows how long, but they created a bunch more space by stealing some backstage space, and you know I don't want to spoil too much of that out its, but I'll give you some highlights it's incredible. It's come really immersive. You forget you're in Disneyland when you're there they've done a really great job of like forced perspective. Mountains instead he just feels like you're in a space out be feel secure, an outpost and there. Are there's, of course, a lot of shops, which I don't mind 'cause we bought a bunch of stuff, there's a place where you can assemble your own droids and given their own personalities, you can buy Jedi stuff sit stuff, you can buy pretty much anything your heart desires,
that star wars related and also there, if you, if you want to drop twenty five grand you can get a customized, are to droid, which all right so to it's tempting to like. Should I ask together to get this thing in there like okay, well, wait a minute, maybe I'm getting old, too crazy, but but apparently people are buying those. So there's a little station. Three can get blue milk and green milk, which I think are sort of akin to the butter beer that you get universal, but it's just kind of like a sugary slushy drink and then there is a cantina like a cap. Full canteen inside will and I didn't have. We couldn't go to that because the line was so incredibly long. There are ultimately going to be two rides in star in Galaxy's edge. One of them is not open yet, and I think, probably doesn't open until the fall, but the one that we did get to go
who was the smuggler's run? So you do pilot the millennium Falcon and you you go in with it's a it. People go in groups of six, everyone has a job. Mine was to steer, left and right. Wheels was to steer, up and down in there like engineers and their people, there's like weapons and so it's super fun and it's it and- and I do get kind of motion sick in in like motion. Any types of sim rides, but it was worth it because it's a blast, and so you know I recommend it. I'm sure wait times are going to be things to deal with but you know it is especially when the second ride opens in the fall, which are the rumor I heard is that the budget for the second ride is like four times more than even the smugglers. One run a run one. So I'm sure that will be pretty spectacular As well, there's a full size, Millennium, Falcon Fargo and full size,
x, wing, landspeeders, tie fighters. I mean it's, oh and I think the best part is this really wasn't. Probably one of my favorite parts, the cast there's really go out of their way to interact with people as they're walking through to make it fully cursive, and so you will see like rebels running around hiding ducking behind things and then you know like a whole first order. Trooper walked by and will, and I bought plushy poured puppets, because why? Wouldn't we and there were gas peppers would come up in? You know in the standard kind of like I'm working a space outpost gear and be like what are you doing with that? Surely you're going to eat that? Why are you carrying them around paper they take a so it's really fun. It's fully immersive and- and I was so thankful to go and lucky that we got to
see it early. So I'm just pass thing on the experience to you, I'm going to post a bunch of pictures about it will, and I went. It was just just the boys day pour my poor wife was had an infection after he came back like a throat infection, a sinus infection after we came back from Europe, and just so you know I did offer not to go because she was sick. Anne lids was like no we are absolutely going. You have to go, please I'm just going to sleep all day and I will feel better if you go and I said Well, ok, if it'll make you happy, but of course I would secretly thrilled that she was so cool about me going because it's Galaxy's edge and so I'm going to take her later in the summer, but wanted little day to spend with one of my oldest and dearest friends who we been going to Disneyland since, like one thousand nine hundred and ninety one, I think
when we were just bratty teenagers. We would we got our annual passes and would go every night with Disneyland was a little less crowded. You just go every night at like that residents, southern California residents pass. You show up at like one thousand o'clock at night. You got two hours for the park closed and back then it was back in those days it would kind of empty out between ten and midnight. So we could just ride. Stuff multiple times and so yeah? So I'm going I'm going post some pictures, but it's really great to it's really great, to have friends for so long and that we're still doing the same silly ship that we were when we were bratty teenagers. So thanks for listening to word cell rap, I hope if you are a star wars fan, and fan and you're excited about galaxies edge. That this was enlightening So thanks so much and I appreciate you and I will see you in your ear-
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