Walker than respect cast number five. Seventy one! Let's get right into it, we're doing it! This episode is at Helms returning after two years cannot believe it's been that long. Ed is well besides being an incredibly talented actor and comedy person is also a bluegrass aficionados and an excellent banjo player and he's promoting the bluegrass situation and allay which is a blog rest, Music Festival October tenth, an eleventh at the ACE hotel in LOS Angeles tickets, can be found at the blue grass situation, dot com- I didn't you exactly typing bluegrass situation and you will meet the it will take you to the blue restitution that egg they got both. They gotta, they gotta. You are all redirect, which is that which was very smart on their parts, but the disputed situation. These vessels, great I've, been to perform in it and its superfine so

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very engaged at any Mccarthy. I rise. It is married, Daddy Wallbury, but you know whatever every other areas, just a chick actually injures warming in Chicago the David she got married people like. Are you going to the wedding when's the last time. What was your relationship with her like and on the shot? Very we revert, we're friends we're very she's. She was always did you have a huge crush on her. I did not have a huge, crushing arrived. Why? Because, when I first met Jenny I never. I never went after like mine, the tape, a girl that I was always interested him was Nothing like vaccinations are good, yeah, that's a fact: it's a sailor out of veterinarians. The playmate was not my type,

girl and so when I first met genuinely first castor on the show, they actually a deeply made her, because she had like acid wash genes and like giant lots of make up and actually kind of like slicked, rapidly like major cool like they they displayed an empty beat her empty, beat her they d, they deeply made her, but but the playmate image was and it was never you know- and people never leave that when they are when I was like there were calls that must happen as like by. Why wasn't? We were? Never, granted to each other. That will cover, MIKE, possible that she's, just not my type, her girlhood. Gay like yeah because being gaze about not fucking girls, that you find attractive really what that it? Yes, but but it is, she was just never. We just never had that kind of chemistry. It was very, it was very brother sister, but not sure. Not. Not incestuous yeah, not touch, evoking all right, all right lotta denial

I don't know I don't know. Nerves is no you're the. Why clearly touched a nerd? Nobody was. It was a question that What can I say at that time when I was watching empty, we very attractive, degenerate Mccarthy. Yes, yes and single there and you you report, and these will end with great show, but I dating microphone at the time was her name. The sender she was on the real world, London, ok, and so that was you know. Just kinda was more than my type of girl, like TA, tall girl sure it was there was it so I was in a relationship the whole time cause, as will never never had sex with anyone from nature, not one Isn t it was like it. I'm try, remember that

the premise, those like hazarded cattle call dating game there exactly what a last year was a cattle call. It was basically idle and alive, nation, you know like a mass elimination, Rio re right where I think their cell, for it was You know, Kurds in real life. You know we. We live people based on like Size and hang back, there was a category there was that there was a dick category where it would like package size and then a bunch, get eliminated at by well. What did they would have? No one ever eliminated big package is by the way it was always the smallest packages were but prison, Lee, you couldn't you, you didn't see, people the package is yes, we had a very thorough everyone had to see a facade. Everyone had to have a full package. Analysis measurement is sort of like you know like when you

going up in your mom's like puts the little marks or at the door jam sure it's we all the contestants to lay down on there, got it and then up against the door January. Your dick must be this all the right this wrong right. So that's that's! That's exactly how, without having that's literally, how the show worked. I don't have. That was ok go, but I can a hundred said say that that's exactly what happened! It's it! That's the charm, that's not your arm but that show it's funny that people still it's still people go. Hey singled out. I'm like, I can't believe you insect twenty it was what that at that time, I think in MTV was such a kind of culture define her work for people, especially like in Well, what are we extirpation agent exercise, so yeah that was stout. Huge MD was whose just in that time of like

play music videos, they have other cool stuff and now we're in a place where it's like. Why don't play, any music videos up all of his limbs with us. If we are not in the demographic anymore Well, I am hip yes I'm aware I am also hear person about think we are now? I am deeply offended that you think MTV is not aimed at me. Fits aimed at actors ages, thirty, six to forty five or is addressed me that is so funny you're right, like we just project our lack of standing up like funny how easy it is to not understand something and then and then not understand why you done well who are our age now, I'm sure like singled out as the decline of,

Woody Allen piece of shit. You know, but fifteen like. If you, if you are like twelve to twenty two and that shows on downward, you know your site and you wanted that and Heavy dose of can offer and remote control, your remark Knower or control, as laid out in oversight. He was news or not: Now he was a v J note can't can host the remote control you're right. Ok, I was right about that. It is now as before it was now nearly I've ever like eighty eight and now I call in question I was calling and Adam Sandler and and are were see my references. How dare you say I'm not? Yes, no motor was empty, be new? Yes, of course, loader and generous and Tabitha sovereign were empty, mean they crush on Tabitha, sore and yeah. She can't went legit likes. You

about a real news, documentary kind of stuff, adding a little light on what she's doing now and no attempt is doing now. Kennedy Kennedy still around who was the who is the guy with the that had the hair like the big hair, the Hare metal Lookin rocker. Video we argue, Eichmann you he looked like he looked like a glam rock guy he's really, oh having a lion main of hair, You, like my John Censier, am I Johnny Censier, had a lion main of like the airline hair. Ok, but but maybe there maybe there are some others. It was such an interesting such an interesting time. Is now I mean now like vivo, basically where people watch me Arbe or anywhere else. I ran it's, not it's. You know,

MTV was revolutionary because they had stuff that you couldn't really see anywhere else and yeah american seek medical vehicle that shit everywhere irreparable only for the attention span, so much music videos anyway the year- and at the time also like music videos was where directors were doing in credit out there, unusual avant garde, letting or seem and mark romantic yeah, like Mr Cunningham and and and spike the owl. These guys were like doing exceptionally cool stuff, which is now The same stuff that networks used for their bumpers rights, so it's like ubiquitous and it was a period of time where people would think a million dollars into a music video. Marilyn thriller came out. It was like this video cost, a million dollars maneuver early eighties dollars, but still going. You know, like into the nineties in the music business still like this trains, never gonna stop Deanna. Maybe it s better. It's going to believe it always, but legal act will didn't realize that so many musicians we're broke out at a time.

Because they have to pay for all that shit. So, like you know, wow pediatric resident make these fucking me using videos, but then still have to aid for the really like an inner scope, didn't pay for their costs at a bill it all back to the artist. It's all recouping bull, so they, you know every dollar of some kind of one of the fucked up things about them. The label visit. Some high think are the lot of artists re like it rather just sell directly to the people, be, oh, I might just email, my music, because you know these giant these- the record label machine was very helpful in the sense that it was the only way to really ensure that an artist get properly promoted and put right, oars and get radio play and all that stuff, but the other side of his head. You know like they had to pay. Everything came out of what the artist labour

didn't pay for anything right right, a friend who was an abandoned. He said one year. The ban got all these like this did I tell you around when this was but these like city, lock radios like little seedy player, clock radios and on their necks expense state contained quotas that that experts had to pay very like we do not want these. We have you're like losing a Christmas gift and they build a billboard that is ruined. John there's like that, is that's how Scrooge operate. Well, yes, the day the music industry was, you know it created superstars, but it was no largely monstrous, and so you know I was just a fucked up way: I mean seedy clock radios. I mean there are some artists who basic and you know I know that, on the label side there was money that they just would never get back and as part of the ebb and flow of like will. These artists are huge and

that money in these artisan we're never gonna see. It knows. Artists are never gonna, be able to pay back in India that, like they would go after the rare right. They got a huge advance and never made a bad. You owe us first, three city, clock rehearse, but but I know that there are stories over. There was another who was an artist label and he you know years later wrote a jungle for like a car company in whispers to get a bunch of money in the record label. Because they were like well now. You owe us this money from before they found out that. So you know retard defeat too bad weather, music, music industries like we're being bled dry like well yet unfilled. Does it yeah right now, you're, recouping up recouping all this money that you took the your advancement. It was fifty five nineteen. Fifty five to two there

three the right. I was your abandoned period, and now we have the removal of the rest of society has to recoup all that pay back the bear, while the now we're recouping we're recouping there. I love your obsession with bluegrass music. I am also says grass, but I believe that you are what you hide it you're a closet. I've wanted it, I'm not a closet. I just don't play a bluegrass instrument, so I feel like that. You know, but I do it's one of the stations that I have on my serious exemplary sets the Bluegrass station Bluegrass Junction and it's fucking great yeah I mean I I think it's I don't know, I just have always loved it, but it is Does I feel like tap aid, a nerve It is ancient within us. You don't. I mean it's like just good good.

Folk melodies that are better decades are centuries old. Will it's but the instrumentation I feel just feel like it boils down to the most basic elements of how you can hear music. You have this basic part. You have this high in part. You have this little bit of a rhythm party. You have a progressive part, and ideally you ve got two or three: bull shouting in beautiful harmony, yeah, that's one of the peculiar things I think about about. Blue grass or or the high lonesome sound as its known, like a kind of traditional bluegrass, is that it place in a register vocally that's often very uncomfortable. The singer o eight. Has this like a raw edge to it, because it's these are strained times. I especially those old

you gotta get up there, you gotta get up. It's a comes from the diaphragm comes from deep in your growed up, there's not a lot of business. It is now a bit the bluegrass singers they're out there they're out there but yeah It's it's a really cool, it's a really cool our form and I think, a lot of those guys got bound by the music industry to react. Things didn't know what to do. You know my item, as I mention them a few times in the past, but I have the smooth friends in this bank because lovers and they would write bluegrass songs with contemporary themes and lyric re were a fucking amazing live, and like one of those amazing live bands Racine and I remember that they would they said they would have issued- following. Unless it every time they play their shows a before and then they would, they went to

I feel for while there are like they didn't know what to do this because we worked traditional bluegrass, we weren't country right there wasn't any place to put out when was that this was pre pre, like internet yeah, file sharing boom. So was I Now is the island two thousand one? Ok yeah now It is a credit we exciting time for for all forms of roots, music Americana blue grass. Blues. Just all that stuff feels like I don't know if it's a response to being inundated by two- analogy the way we are now that people should have craving something blurred and a connection to an older time, but but the music- is thriving, and I feel like now a ban like that national. They would be snatched up because they were

You necessarily need to go to Nashville, they can go to New York City or or here in LOS Angeles, because the the community that the kind of acoustic music community is really charging forward into some like exciting progressive areas and bans like the punch brothers and the bunch desert there. Just at that what they do. Musically is so poor found Lee intricate in,

There's a musicality musician ship, I should say, is its on par with. You know what I pulled. I've done power. I should advise, should finish that sentence it's on par with Beethoven, while the the punch brothers, I pulled off the internet, they did this thing. I believe this with neighbours in Portland Chamber, music northwest does its own yeah, that's like Portland, and am it it's just it's one of those play it. It's basically in a place where there is usually chamber music, but the bluegrass, just it just cuts through and bounces off the walls and such a gorgeous way yap, and I love that,

the thing that I love about how it how the music sounds. Is that it to me it sort of has this feeling of like some guys pulled some stuff out of a junk yard and the appellation fountains and built their instruments, and they basically just had whatever they could find to make, sounds and then their voices and that's it yeah and what's interesting about those guys that the punch brothers, in particular, if you look at a picture of them, you're like up to blogger, banned, but then, when you hear them, they're they're all over the map and they can do they. Just did artist residency programme at the Oberlin Conservatory, which Oberlin College is where I was

and one of the members of the punch brothers went there. Chris Eldridge the guitar player, and they did this roots residency programme at the conservatory and they were working with chamber musicians working with classical musicians and doing the workshops bout there about roots music, but also about classical music. In how chamber music works and the ways in which it of a band and acoustic band, like the punch brothers, approaches and ensemble and how that relates to how our extreme quartet might approach an end. They wound up playing this big. I saw concert at Oberlin where the punch brothers played, among other things, one of the Red Bird concertos, with whom I, with the members of the Oberlin conservatory com and it was jawdropping accordingly labour absolute,

I don't know where but until they had on, but here has Google, but but that's all a thing I think is just emblematic of the excitement and progressive, A mentality of a lot of acoustic musicians right now, and it's why I think, even as someone who love The traditional bluegrass sound and really, if I was like tat on a desert island. All I would want is like bill, Monroe City, but but I think it's, u can sort of feel the appreciation for that and this just like wave of passionate new directions. That's just this to me like it's just as exciting. It's all from the same family, Berkeley of music in Boston, their churning out, like

this is a serious music professional training school and there they now the banjo programme and a mandolin programme, and they're turning out musicians like surge arose whose just crushing it there with beautiful progressive acoustic, music but deeply rooted, in in blue grass and adjusted Oh, I think it's a really exciting time. Do I wonder if this is I feel like. Maybe it was you the last time you were on, so I apologise from covering the same territory, kids, but it was a couple years ago, but was it you that I too, about the Maddox brothers in rows with deal medics brothers. It was an old radio show on the I think, on the West Coast, and it was that kind of you know it's just like a from night, like maybe the thirties at the fort, yeah, and it was one of those gather around folk semantics problem arose and they would do like a couple. Weird comedy bits right that were I dont

if we lose our men that and then they would go into this read some songs tat. He has a great deal. Of those Porter Wagoner. You know like these great old right shows, be they vision or radio and Dolly Pardon did, did salmon some of these lives specials at such a fish. Just a great isn't it also a music that that welcomes and people and kind of brings. I think people together, like you, know, people who are fans of and Iraq or hip for whatever that's, of which I am also. Those are forms of music that It's usually a performer and an audience. Then, if go to a music festive an end. Iraq festival you're, going to different

then use in your watching. These shows when you go to a bluegrass festival. Fully sixty percent, if not more of the audience are also musicians, and you, walking around the campsites or the parking lot and there's just infinite jam, sessions going on, and sometimes some of these major artists are out there. In the parking lot jamming along with fans and it's the most inclusive, didn't dynamic relationship kind of give and take with with artists. I think it's part of what makes bluegrass that world DEC ready. So special and unique begun. Interesting to see almost like, like these weird covalent, musical bonds. Where you, one group one bluegrass group is walking in passing another

the sudden they just meld and then when they break apart, like they ve switch some of the instrument IRAN, but it just blends writing, but I think I like, which some alike yeah, I think part of what is part of what? Certainly and it worked for the early days of radios at all of the tones cut through that for for a low fidelity, the ass. You have very basic parts and very high parts and like all of the pieces, they they they were. They or together very nicely, but No one tone is like any other tone in a blue rest ban like vocally or or with the fermentation in so it makes it very easy to hear I mean I just have this kind of like weird, almost peaceful fantasies, about just being in a little house in the middle of nowhere like in the early days of the California, or you know where and hearing crackly

bearing just sitting on a couch and just like hearing crackly broadcast dusk and they, like that's, that's your night. Just feels that sounds so peaceful to me that that can be yours. Guess I could have. They re really wanted to go to ITALY to cancel around. You know it's not possible anywhere, where what we're way pass it. The last time I went camping. I nah, I downloaded a bunch of like podcasting things that I was like I'm innocent under the stars and listen to this and what's out there. I just didn't want to touch my phone tat we, what the hell happened to go camping infrequently by a couple times a year. Now we just got back from eight knights of camping rafting down the Colorado River. How is that ran canyon? Let me tell you something: it is trance. Normative. It is really most there.

There is a year. You just was life changing like I am a more peaceful person now and I think its permanent relay That is not just for the couple days after the trip, I think the Grand Canyon yeah. It's just I don't know what it is so awe, inspiring and fund. An exciting and also we we camped boy. We never while one night we slept in our tent because around the rest, the night, where does out under the stars, and you can see I seven hundred and forty billion stars? It's a lot. That's that's a big number, but you can see there is. The milky way, is just poor, All over your face, you now like a bare snacking on your face or spiderling using your dick or anything of the first

think of nothing hotter than laying exit. My dick, I think that, because the authorities here this is a fetish for that. How do you like it dick this matter? no it's interesting when you're in the Grand Canyon is its own ecology and it's very limited, because it's so I mean there's two thousand foot cliffs all around so that the largest predator, where we were saying that a predator largest animal was a big horn sheep and we did bare- and we barely ever saw them the scariest thing, our scorpions so one scorpion the whole time and, and he had already been stepped on by accident. I did get a reading it by which doesn't sound bad, but it hurt like a mother fucker, really

did you see it happen or just feel it? I felt it and then they got a ready at bite and in our guide our rafting guide was like. You should go pay in a bucket just so your foot in it for five minutes and as like You know what I'm in the wild, I'm a do that so and Ben peed in a bucket, my soaked, my my aunt sting in it and as if this isn't that bad and then, like forty five minutes later throb agony and my for us really from the peer, the empire that that's unclear, that's another, so I mean about for my final exit. What really do exactly units. What adventure weekly airlift Cyrano here, please wait. I thought it was sterile loaded, come to my tent later and beyond me, please, I can't do that. As might have.

My dear, I have some airports on my tongue and ready but like had villain an hour later is fine by me, but it's yet usually I for some reason, the scorpions kind of got into my my site you a little bit and I was skittish about them, but I didn't need to be- and it was just was incredible: the rapids Colorado River are so unfathomable huge. There is like I didn't know that water could behave like that. Will then come slope? It commands someone had to do that joke at some point, snares, symptoms, right, slope, its opens near isn't homer. That says

That's right, oh, where they disappear, then they find that the crusty Berger on the oil rig today is a classic nice play but by the law. The earnest boarding Ivan that one and he'd like he goes to find his trusty knife, but then homer, yeah, ok, good at all Rebecca getting a good. I just made a net Flanders, Joe, could do the the marathon is that happened yet I call I mean I was sent on sooner than I would jump in. Some of it. You know like when it whenever I could, but now is the app out now now that wasn't that wasn't Herschel Free was it that wasn't just like one the Wall sentence, because that would be balls. They knew they any ok yeah, but I think F B, I think Jonas Ethics is number effect. Sexes, numbers like crushed everyone there from that from that marathon

but it is every time I'm out like I was just performing in SALT Lake and Seattle and am in Denver, and it's that kind of upper left hand region of the. Three, some call it the Pacific Northwest, but you know I wouldn't really count Utah's parlance ignoring or Denver Bell Upper left, but the upper left coherence of the country it It really is, I mean, like Utah's, a whole different in a stunning, then then Washington, which different than Colorado, but it's it's like the a year at the hour country has so many to hack, really beautiful places and their wildly different. Yet I am you to go from like Hawaii to the Grand Canyon could not be to Alaska delight alaskan Tundra, like all beautiful off completely different,

you need to do stand up in the Grand Canyon, just by alone. Now, for this conference yeah like, for I mean the band for, for the adds further that's all you know you're about to get bitten war. I was leaving the way of this age. Oh I wish you well. I guess it's getting louder. Oh god. I love it. I'd also like two step off the air, weighing anytime, I landed in Europe and here but what else, what other among India, Indonesia I was. Saying about the Grand Canyon. You said it was transformative. You said you get bitten by fire at a red aunt. You said crazy rapids, you said: oh it was. You said you were saying that the the

The rapids were so, unlike anything that you had ever seen out that it was hard to really I it's a can't be conveyed the like the experience of rights. Through that you're not freaked out well, did so there's different way, Is to actually run the river You can run it in what is called a dory, which is like a fiberglass boat like a giant rowboat essentially, and that will give you a very wild right because it just get pitched in and flip over and all kinds of stuff. You can write it on a conventional. Like six person wrath. Which is also a very wild ride or you can do we did because My my mom came and some of my young nieces nephews and a bunch of family. We wanted sort of the safest, most comfortable run, and that was on these big can a barge rafts that are virtual, unflappable. So at no point are we concerned for our safety it

was it just is so massive in and thrilling? It's like a roller coaster. That said one guy. In our party did get washed off a raft during a rapid, but even then as big as the happens. Are there not idea, and this could be grossly naive, but I dont think There is dangerous as a lot of other kinds of rivers, because the volume water is so massive that it's not getting hung up anything, it's not slamming you, the most rocks or submerged its you're gonna work, the room. So you have your life jacket on an even though these waves are like fifteen feet tall and and smashing into you in it still water and you're gonna wash out of it, whereas like kinds of rivers. You know that have different kinds of obstacle. Obstacles can get trapped under things and

pinned into the into those who really scary Colorado. Ever doesn't feel ass, scary, even though its the biggest water ever seen? And so you, U disorder, part of park every day and then get off and then and like ok. Let's all all day long every day, you're right you're, going down the river you're hitting huge rapids and you're also stopping and taking these jawdropping hikes up, side, canyons and ear and then around four o clock each day you find a beach that you pull over and said goddammit! That sounds so great. It's unbelievable and even people on the trip had all family on this trip, so it was. It was a good crowd. We knew everybody, but I think even most people who

on an Egypt, usually just sign up for a larger trip in Europe with a group it wouldn't matter if you're with can complete strangers, it's just you're gonna have a great time and- and I will say this to like people who had limited outdoor experience and were intimidated by camping aspect in everything just had a ball, you know like were completely excited in thrilled the whole time. It awesome Andy! You act, you bring food for eight days or do you so Youtube?

oh, it's, a very heavily regulated. National parks was heavily regulated and- and there are just a few guide companies that are permitted to to run the river. They also issue a certain number of private permits per year, but we want with a guide company and they outfit you with all of the supplies essentially and the guides really help, allied with cooking and all that kind of stuff. So it's It's it's it's. Actually, it's not like. The camping part is pretty you're, not survivor. Man, no you're not bear girls in it out there, although I think that when that, when the weather shooting those major specials lotta time is usually someone just off camera, just like handing them someone's got it Megan. They handed it to them media or it's like. I just need a corner, real bad right now turn us, but also on their trip

my two buddies Jake any anywhere who my college bodies, with whom I still play music in the some trio. That's are at our little group that that we complain for twenty years day were also on this trip and we brought instruments and just play music every night man incentives may lighting the cathedral of Mother each are Miller. Just resonating Canyon wall. Are you completely off the grid? Your phones, workable, completely off the grid. Eight days What we were all sort of- let you know wondering what major earth like earth out

aging event happened. While we're in the category of Europe's average number of civilization leaves out nothing's difficult matters. Are you can go up at a great rate days and come back in without the hit it turns? Our humanity was off the grid for ten thousand years. Oh, this is great. So I set up an auto reply on my email and I just said: hey, I'm I'm on vacation and won't have access to email or phone blah blah blah. Then I get back and I will end my inbox has three thousand message, like all right. Well, I know I figured I'd, have a bunch of three thousand in eight days, I think is weird, so are going through it and I realize that what had happened was ACE Bam, not not like unknown Spain

but something that I subscribe to or something like us, like, I don't know like a retailer, something it's just sent me as spam. Note, and I had auto applied to it, and then they at an auto reply, so they were just to fit to taking. The outcome they basically headed out said like please don't reply to this email address and it had into this lying back this. No, you don't replied, there's no. I mean it. You stop replied and I'm out of town sworn I'm not a reply, and I am telling you to start bought a reply and I'm out of will have an auto reply and I put a good I'm telling you to stop all hell you I can hear I'm telling you know your I'm out of auto reply or though this is what I was before, and you should not also reply to me. I can't help it this what idea this is me Mary, and it was like thousands of of this and think it happened like right towards the end.

Week, otherwise in a thousand weather, but that was made me wonder, though, how much of like so this this thing happening in the internet that had no human oversight, it was a reflexive feedback, loop of Eden, email, that no humans were monitoring or even aware of fresh, and it would have gone on indefinitely. Had I not emerged from the canyon put a stop to it. It made me wonder: many things like that are going on in internet and just eating up ohms and watts of electricity is, does see it because, it's all you know, just get kicked into spam filter desserts. You know my email very heavily filtered ah in is where my mate, my my main main inbox. Never,

really has the exorbitant amount right. Rancor has everything's know, but I'm not take every night. I know this because most of my emails to you get kicked back that's not true, but I am just wondering hockey emails. Specifically, I mean like the way that the business. You know like online business, his work together and they're they're. All these automated things that are very possibly just getting in these feedback? I wouldn't to find out what the oldest auto response is like it lets say there was a company from liked twenty years ago and the company folded or someone died or something, but it just kept. It kept spit its wheels if it it's just still floating out there somewhere. Just still like please respond to me. Please respond, please listen to me it's the its Jenny, Mccarthy at single,

Duck MTV that Gun the fact that there is a bluegrass festival. It's in October, right, yeah, ok, yeah! So I'm glad you asked the the so the bluegrass situation, dot com is this really cool fun resource firm for accusing music fans. Kind of fans. And it's it's something I helped start and it's I'm really proud of it and it, and it's got great articles and music, premieres and all kinds of sore like the pitchfork of that of bluegrass. We have a a signature festival which is the, which is this October at the ACE hotel, that new theatre that got renovated at the ESA too. Oh no downtown, it wasn't Largo because I d

I did it Largo yeah. Of course that's right. You were on it and the first so that the festival actually predates the the bluegrass situation that com, which kind of grew out of the fund and success of the festival, but it but festival is kind of. A liberal term is really just a weekend of programming. It largo that that for and I put put together in an booked a lot of our friends like you in and Martin and steep canyon rangers in punch brothers and a bunch of we just had great luck at the gate that wasn't two thousand ten. I think the first one and end its it's just growing, it's been super cool and super fun and we would like to have you back or loved, had no, I would love

Every time there is so many songs. I love you. I love making weird covers of songs, and I always wanted you bluegrass covers of songs. Does it just it? It's such a thing. An experiment to see how do you do still this bigger greater like four basic elements. What I will say that the bluegrass covers of pop songs is kind of a touch area for bluegrass fans, because it feels like a lot of progress fans feel like. Oh, that's that's just easy low hanging fruit. You know you occasionally one will break through that feels- super authentic to both the spy. The original song and artist artists who were covering it and in a kind of acoustic or bluegrass fashion. And it's really cool and exciting- I you know I think they're theirs

we are. We actually just did a posting on the bluegrass situation, dot com of eight or nine of what we thought were the best covers of Canada, pop songs and some of them. This there's this one of of an all of this, like old banjo player,. Playing solo and singing It says all the single Ladys and its mine blowing because the way he singing it it. To me. It made this kind of beautiful connection between music. That's obviously like a crazy dance club song and here's a guy playing it in a week in a way that you'd never expect, but it has, it sounds great and it actually, the were you when you hear through this guy. You realise that the sum of beyond say is melodies and and and the way that

the cheap she sang. It is connected in Harkin's back to some the old lines and traditions of of old, and Zack and at work what's a guy's name, I can remember it's on your site, the YAP on the site, the blue residue doubly rest situation, gather bluegrass situation, not com were. I think bluegrass situation, I com or get kicked you there to whose playing this year, so this year the line up is there's two nights Friday night October, tenth is sort of a more traditional nights, a nod towards more traditional music with the Carolina chocolate drops, who are fantastic, ash, rigour and Willie Watson, who is really an incredible old time player, he just sounds

he's he's timeless Willie Watson's just sounds like he could be honoured on a train Saint Louis in nineteen, twenty or you know, playing at staple centre. So there that's Friday, night Saturday, night October, eleventh is a more getting into more progressive area with them in Iraq, bans that cross over into acoustic blue grassy stuff. Lord Huron Blind pilot, Langhorne Slim and shaky graves, and I'm, but I'm just. I can't believe the people we got. I think this line up is on real. It's gonna be known as everyone playing full sets or dislike short sets. It'll be

probably not full sets like an hour each, but but good. I'm action at your house can be distributed, but ever get a good bit chunky time that's great, and are you looking to do this more than once a year tour it or that's a great question we ve done. I think we ve popped up at other events, I hosted a stage at bottom the last two years, the bluegrass situation stage, which was such a blow we basically had five artists throughout the course of the day we had like one day sort jumbled up here. We

I hosted the stage at Banu where, for one full day the bluegrass situation, curated stage, we had five artists and in the end we had this super jam, which I hosted and played in. And- and we have most of the artists from that day- would play and then a bunch guess people cannot out of nowhere showed up and and even some people like this year, Dierks Bentley just showed up from Nashville because my taxed at him and he wanted to be there and then the Avis brothers had spanish to set on the main stage on the way, and so they popped over and we did it a song and they were is It was super superfine, so that was that the cat, that's a little bit of what we're doing outside of the allay festival. Finally, we also have the kind of we cover a lot of stuff like that. Tell telluride.

Grass festival and moral fast and the Newport Folk Festival we're having a kind of a presence at those things, but I think our mother ship is really Ella Festival which were still growing, and I think the potential is enormous. What and just in case people sure most people know, but you are a banjo player and and a damn fine banjo put you. How often do you practice it varies sometimes like in production on on a movie or something very little. But if I know ever show coming up and I go into panic mode and I can buy can be practising four hours a day. So it's a bit of a crapshoot danger to me feels like an instrument where, if you dont practice regularly, oh yeah recipe guzzling

You know like if you're with Qatar, unless your play, unless you're doing a ton of solos. Obviously, you would need a practice that, but it just feels like with banjo there's so much finger, art elation, it's all dexterity and what what what I find I lose and it's the most frustrating thing if I don't play regularly, is precise, its timing, which you cannot take for granted when you hear it when you hear Joe players that are good. You don't notice how perfectly cut perfect their their syncopation in their timing is, but when you dont playwright, just lose that muscle memory for like per se. This matter anaemic timing and when you play banjo not in that time it is the worst sounding yeah. It's like a thousand scorpion bites, we're all at once oh! Well! What I do know that feels like I don't have just playing off time. A little bit is really the equipped A thousand square me like that would kill a private well here.

You'll. Remember this scorpions ordinarily sting you with their tail. So when a bite you it's just kind of mildly, all your at eight, I right, let's just get out get out here. I am it's kind of, but a thousand but a thousand of those I would love to do what we do together. We sent you did on the titanic. That's right. We did a mash up of of blue grass adult contemporary and pair. Yes, and I had all my I had my costume from rock of ages. Yes, and so- and you are you, u sang the title beam sign as Herr Band, do which sounds amazing, but then you guys and then we played acoustically as bluegrass band. Underneath your vows smelling, your came. The boys lie,

me far where ever you are like you guys, UK all came in with other harmonies. Add I was fun that is really bad, because it you got started playing and I don't think everyone knew what the song was right and then I came from off stage like dressed, like a moron right, just You know whenever the first lyrics are, and then they immediately saw what the song was out across the water of that something like that. Yeah yeah, I remember, the chorus who oh that's right and then for some reason I sort of running around in circles and knocking everything over on stage like I went away,

for some reason! Well, the reason being that it was hilarious, an open door ass. It was really invested in the carrier. You I didn't. I was like where's Chris was near the entire duration. That bet it's like it was hard to deal, was hard to take the wig off metaphorically right, I mean idea, I believe me, it was always I can feel it. It was really by now, but the whole show the whole show was great and I wasn't no yet known profoundly from us, the permanent rapporteur yet, and that night that show which we did as part of the label grass situation Festival was a show that I do from time to time at long ago called the he's our radio, our which is more of, variety show: there's not a comedy mixed in we're, not that this year as part of the festival, partly because this

venue, is just such a more of a music. Then you, but I think, the the hope is to really state true to those routes of of those. Few years of the label egress situation, which had so many Eight comedy people coming in welfare came into a one year and adjust Jenny swayed and all these were Nick Crawl. So many people popping into just do fun bits as part of the the evenings Sean Sarah Watkins doing also did their Watkins family, our, which is phenomenal, show they do Largo, and we put that some amount is Pike S. He, oh really, that's brilliant yeah! That's brilliant I called Sarah about a month ago, and I just I said I just want to start making weird covers of songs. We would you- and she was like- on tour, but when I get back and so minute, just its

a fund to know that, and there like. Moral class with suspicion My view kind of the heart and saw of The LOS Angeles bluegrass occurs Music seemed because they ve been had it for so long. They are from here there from southern California. There. Their show at Largo the watch his family, our to me is like just the best that there is the best of what of what allay has to offer in that vein and an end. They happen to be fantastic. People too. I mean again it just picture in California in a pre freeway time, where any you you'd, you do cunning, this driving across country or driving. If you drive up to San Francisco late at night or something but weird, it's just

middle of nowhere and just listing the M radio, you, my family, my dad hated flying, and so we drove a lot. Although our country, when I wrote it mostly Tennessee, but we would drive you know my dad is big white Cadillac that he called so we would. We would just driving Ives Member Black curling up in the back seat and just in an aim radioed that really low fi crackly. You know the whole delay and then hearing these old radio shows or hearing all I mean ended in it. So it's it's This makes sense its comfortingly ear, because you're so isolated, but you're you're. In this view, I don't know. I know I completely relate, I think, like we did Brook big road trips and are also. Station wagon and we were back and forth to Nashville. I grew and my moms,

family was in Nashville, so we were back and forth to their all the time. Is it when I was a kid, and I was just curl up in the way back in and it would be You know it could be. Am sports radio that my dad was was listening to adjust the hum of the freeway the at that the sort of hypnotic rhythm of the but the street lights over the freeway if it was night time and the knowledge and just a quite a family being why it together and the knowledge that my parents kind of everything under control. Yeah, you know cause when your five, you you don't really takes time, getting that, but when you look back on it, you can be like that is what was so comfortable and then you get old and you realize your parents were just faking it. You didn't know anything you're fraud. Did you stop it, I'm

we used to. We would always stop a cracker broken. We don't stop its studies that you guys Isaak is afforded us he's had those grows, not roles that we're like these weird marshmallow rules that they were good for like two bites, and then it was then I couldn't stomach it anymore got stuck his head. So much that was a bow was there was a guy into Christmas. Every time there is a studies on I seventy five that took us up to Nashville. There was a dairy queen right on the top of of money goal, which is a mountain pass, the you go through and out. We would always stop at that dairy queen and I will get up, but her finger Blizzard NA ha, which I still to this day believe is The nectar from Jesus is nipple that that sacrilegious, I don't know, but what you know if you're religious,

listen, there's, no reason that Jesus couldn't have a delicious blizzard coming out of his nipple divine. I think it is. I think it is yeah those words that that and I actually believe it's funny. You brought of studies because we would stop at those truck stops and and review or and go in and get some beef jerk year whatever and also from time to time. We would grab a some of those Cosette, TAT, tapes that were on on the counter for sale and a lot of those were in that region. They might be like Appalachian string, music or the end, and I think that that was some of my earliest exposure were in some of those weird truck: stop Cosette tapes of Appalachian music. Never find in any other musics too, of course, and they were, I mean, of course, the tapes election was varied, that would be like you know the cars heartbeat

city and white snake and the scorpions and then like a sum, a couple, a weird things like comedy, Cosette or, and then the Appalachian string, music or as but mom hat my mom, who grew up in Nashville head. Some English wasn't a big fan of acoustic music, but but she did like it and we would pick pick up those cassettes in some of those. I think we're we're where I first kind of got that taste for further for that music yeah. I remember that the sentence, the same exact thing in a lot of times You didn't really know exactly what you were back you're buying like what we just need to kill time. Somehow, because you you can get in the open road at that at that time were there you just couldn't hold. Station for longer than my right. Thirty minutes, right or even I am you know, what's with wood, outsourcing we're gonna, listen, some also when you get up into some of that.

Audrey side up. There are a lot of em radio is very religious or end and at times like, like kind of pleasant M M, grievous, add without a blizzard, that's rank or from his Nebo yeah. What the butter Bringer Blizzard, sporting and out of his Naples, Asia was delicious, but it's the I and my my parents didn't didn't go in for the religious that very much This is the way to the fact. Are you doing vacation? Yes, in what way? Is that a subway? Because you were talking about In a style, road and wraps instruct you have here are some great sanguine right. You said you were in the station wagon idolized vacation, I'm doing vacation, I leave by the time this podcast airs I will be onset. I leave Thursday fur for production. What is the eye her? Ok, so

I heard what I what someone said o the plot is this, but is it? Is it? Is it rusty? grown up. Is that okay? Yes, that is exactly it and it's kind of the only it's. It's really The it was my entry into this. Are you ready, Furthermore, I am rusty, Griswold Gee, I says weird: isn't it that's weird you're, a guy. That's no! It's weird in the sense that this, movie with such a part of our county development, there was so much a part of our cut pop culture. Yes it. If anyone asked you, what are your ten favorite comedies vacation would probably be in the top ten totally and now you're a guy Did you like a whole group to be you? I mean? I know the other ones were great, no european, big chrysippus. I think Christmas. It was better than european vacation, but I rank them differently to me, it's vacation. Actually, in order I think in order they got that the best one is like best

no on down the line, but but originally I got the script and I had a meeting with with one of the producers and- and I I just like I. Why would I do this? I mean this is such a sacred cow for me? I don't I don't know I'm just not. The idea of a ray of light redoing this story in taking chevy his role in some way just didn't feel right, didn't feel like something to do and then It was I just read: it re, read the script and make an intelligent decision here. Most of my decisions are not in the intelligent that so I followed the advice. I read the script and- and I realized by page ten o this- rusty, Griswold movie, this isn't just a re. Doing of the Clark Resolved family story. Rusty is

grown up. This takes place in the world, We already know right. It's It's a really a continuation of the Griswold family saga and that kind of I thought right away. I was like oh that's cool, like that's kind of fun, and then I got through the script the writers, John Francis Daily of freaks and geeks end and Jonathan Goldstein, at just it was so funny. So fine and light and dislike famine, comedy and all the stuff that I remember, loving about those movies its own movie, it's different, but it it's its respect, for it just feels just felt like a good idea. The chicken and egg resolves again, they are doing this and in son of flesh, are doing flesh I'm doing son of a and then doing modern problems not evolve literally

but just thought you know so created in our neighbourhood de. I just thought about modern problems either day. I was landing somewhere. Has there been so many airplanes in the last couple weeks and is an traffic controller in the movie. So for some reason I thought about the thing worry first gets its powers and there's that airplane ashtray that like flies, that when these mad on the phone. Ah, yes and I fucking love Daphne common in that cause he's, he's pretty straight in that movie, actually he's these kind of a he's, just a visa a very well, he gets crazy he's late for the end. But but yeah he's a he's. Sort of the

he's a normal guy who gets this these superpowers, because his car fills up with toxic waste which, as you know, does not, and if you do terrible cancer, nine wave anxious if you get telecom nieces and you have a beautiful, green glow yeah, that's very remind you and your wife orgasm with their bright, your girlfriend orgasm with your brain tat. He had a the exact same. Low. I believe as oh, my god. What's the what's, the crazy little fat blob go, in Primers cyber. Yes, of course, they had to say green glow yep. I say I believe was the that was the standard effect, a peak of visual effects of the type of but yeah. The common who is one of my favorite comedy actors of all time? Ninety five! he is brilliant number is amazing and everything is amazing. Cloaking dagger gone down the line. Remember short time shortly:

I don't remember the shortest time is a movie where he's a cop. We are, of course, by its enemies give it. They tell me like a week to leave, so he won't You want your sadaijin so that his family gets these areas. Becomes liked. His greasy super get off me whatever I really had prevalence and it's just a bit, I gotta get I'm running out and cars like him, jump in cars over things and then, of course, that you don't like that time when those premises were were knew they were like fresh and real and then like in all the great. We premises. In the eighties and ours rehashing reacting them, but it yet me. That's I've totally wrong I believe that so funny when you and dad me was like a leading when he was a leading man like he could open day on common, could open a movie, and within while he's recently he was in boardwalk radios and boardwalk empire, but I think that was the last. I am sad to say:

hey that now, when I try to pick your daddy Coleman, my brain goes to Doktor Phil alone, a mad is that's an unfortunate thing and I need to go on. I didn't I didn't like Google ebony quickly to wash doktor fill out of my mouth of my mind's eye yeah? it is generally to dry washed out and then having common thing. Hopefully will why? Yes, yes, but that's a I mean what a great cameo opportunity, adapting common wonderful, still mean you ve, that the study Santa Barbara Empire? He was great, but I wonder if he still super the ass. If, if you put him in good, comedy role and wonder if you'd still be on top of it don't know. Well, let's find out is indeed put him in Vegas We will stop in and see the denial lastly, has zone kids, so we'll stop and see the grandparents of Course Chevy in Beverly, nice at one point

in the movie and yeah. I just can't I feel very honoured and at the same time, incredibly excited to be in to be a griswold to be the new number one Griswold Rusty. I mean, I hesitate to say the number one Griswold. It may always be Clark, I know, but you know Miss encircled life. Sure there should be the scene of the of the movie where you have to take off his head of the world, above the Griswold because its it it it it. It is kind of a horror sounding name. What if it has turned out that they were kind of like the Adams family, but you didn't know cause you, don't really ever see them at home. But only ever see them out in the world. Yeah yeah yeah, that's the big. The beginning of the first vacation is kind of his much of the home. We see if you found out the Clark

It had been a serial killer and if you track all the different movies that there had been like a number of murders like in the in the MID less than a new and Europe and then around Christmas time running you, I dont, think I don't think it beware idea would be like oh yeah. You could buy that. That's why you know like that's why he was trying so hard to approximate, like what normal family would go. Do keep up the appearance. Yea was right to heart to heart. That's why I would love to see you know and then cut those cut trail. Years of war, John or movies, to be different, John regime. As I would love to see the Griswold horror John Raw live, I'm surprised, it hasn't been done. It may have been done. It may have been done are you guys gonna to Wally World? I am not at liberty to discuss. It's a free country and that a free countries- may I guess it's in the book

No! No! That's! That's! That's those time like books, members, commercial, yet, but it's in the book. Was a time like the time I, although it was some kind of encyclopedia series or something o o o That was the you're talking about, but the kid no. No, no, not that Britannica right with who withstand freeburg kid who stand freeburg all timey comedian Guy SAM Freeburg, that was his kid wow. The Encyclopaedia Britannica Guy yet wet with like long, hair and glass, a poor kid who probably an end hammer pants in a world like hammer Panther of assets, and they re like we're going to flourish The departments really go excellent, like yeah. They wanted. Like our David Spade. I can't brain the nine. It was very much a product of like

it was like in the nineties when we were just starting to toy with sarcasm, an irony, but give it a good job. They did a good job of it and but I'll never get it whenever they fly. The number on the screen. If you'd like look at it and interact with it, his eye line was always off area that infuriated may need is had this bad relationship to the voice over and he was in this weird nerd, neutral environment. It felt like they ve, imprisoned, child, I undisguised auditing him, and we only connection this kid I for the outside world is that voice in the books, and so the kids, just naturally prickly arises that once these doesn't know he's been raising captivity know what was the book series. That was where it's like a guy talent, every commercial was someone telling someone about the book it's in the book and then they would say well so what happens and they get and then Anthracite it's in the book.

I don't know all I know is that ring up our it could be a time live. Syria. I think it was a good science like is it MR of the unknown thing like that, or is it like it tells you how the Grand Canyon was warm will. How is it for its in the bureau a book by the book. I can't remember what that was. Anyway. It's in the script, I should say what the Griswold Fit. What rusty Griswold family does is is in the script and it will be in the movie, and you will need to see it now. It's rusty, married to a sister because they had a weird chemistry of ever run, He is not o carried to his sister, thankfully, ok, ok, Mr, the mysteries of it's in the book that

and live mysteries of the unknown might actually tell you the plot vacation as well. Really I don't know I can't verify that, but it might be in the bucket of this big ruby was on an in an income. Old ink and wall prettier vacantly regional vacation was array make in ink in particular that interchange thousands of ink in what is ensuring what is the movie called to have their cases. This is complicating a woman. Adulation. Thanks, am super excited about it. So a blow the Boolooroo S, first of all, as a base hotel, the Ella bluegrass situation, like whatever s hotel into eleven, about ever restoration back home, Ed homes on Twitter. Anything else you go. On the Grand canyon you upload the drinking I want to plug the grand I dont want actually

I get no very desirable there, because the Hoover Dam has done a good job of that, our a terrible job of it, depending on your point of view the Hoover, Damn tariffs will decline India is above the Grand Canyon. Hoover dam is below achieved even just talking about the Redeemer went there earlier this year. Why? Why are you or your? U because it so there you, you would die in such a horrible way like it's. Oh it's so big that, when you're walking on the day outlet you when you're Raza, damaging it walking across it. I just can't get that the prickly feeling in my in my extremities yeah we're just feels like it's too high, and then you see there's even like a higher power. We can look down on it and I think even looking up there, you have a heights thing. I guess I do I have a heights thing and I, but I have a thing it's on- but I understand what you mean like things that are that are man made and massive? Yes, like legs of the bee, I was once and of a little like rubber,

You know like Zodiac kind of thing an upward motor and we were just going from like a dock to my cousin sailboat or something and we went, but this is in in Oakland, which is one of the biggest she container ship ports in the trade and we drove by a container ship in our little zone and the scale of it was so tariff. I could tell you what I was afraid of. I dislike deep dread. It terror of this giant, ship, because you have to imagine that going back to the lizard brain, things should be your right, and we have here is a very lizard brain roto man. If proton man sees something that big huge, it's gonna kill you it's, not whatever. That is not a good thing right, so it it just feels

just feels your radically deadly and the Hoover adapted. That did that to me and it's stupid and its doesn't it as the Hoover. Damn also have the crazy intake thing: that's like a giant black hole. You look into wake me. There's a there's, an intake that would just suck you into oblivion and grind you through the electric turbines and its bit. You out this away. I don't I don't know I didn't I didn't. Look at far was very hard for me to like. I had two inch my way up to it, and then they have these. They have these bathrooms in everything. Sort of looks, like you know, like art, deco right right at all. It's all very lake, like Marvel comic villain totally totally it. It looks like Lex Luther's, yes, palace, that's right and, and it is it if it was. It was really terrifying to me and I had to use

seems ok, we're headed capacity, spooky well, the Grand Canyon Stallworth at yet still worth it to go up, and now I might actually take a vacation there I mean I'm sure there's always a few of handful of months out of the year, we can actually do that right. You can't I think it's a lot of months. It's it's like sip arab spring early spring through fall, in the end they run it year round. It just gets insane because it does get super cold, but the hard core people do IRAN and dont do it by yourself in an inner tube what Google professional life too, should do the same if it used to do like that that stunt people in that they teen. Third, I do it's like. I'm gonna get in a barrel and go over the night falls back. I guess I've got to get this barrel drop me off. The empire state building, yeah

guess what barrel not not as a battle, not not the same as it is just a murder to Cisco nobody. The funding. The barrels gonna take the brunt of the forests and I'll be ok. Oh no! No! No! It's going to try to squish you out the little you dont suffocate, but you will also get smash it all. You will die of a million splinter. It'll spit you like a liquid. Is wide out of the two open in the bun holier than thou. Think they call, but above and the whole of the top of a barrel is, is literally called that. Well there you go near, that's exactly what would happen, so don't go of things and Harold please, but you go to the blue gray situation to come at homes. Thank you so much

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