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compromises that kind of needs told you know if they have their started mentalities totally. We noted in, do you say I'm so crazy cause. We first were thinking about doing that. The totally rat showing where like putting together with the pitch for it was there was also a company called Joost or juice something that was internet video before anyone else and we would like we might even do video further shell past and that had authority over the phone as ever and thank God we we didn't because that could have been that could win the thing that took off as much as revision three dead, but then we have. What could it should we use? What format should we oppose you totally? So there are some pages they can just autopsy quick time file I will be really amazing if we can figure that out, what's crazy to his thinking back before Youtube, there was like I remember, I filmed yeah, I'm on real player

and there was that there was a short film called four or five tumor that it was the first of the day that team that did that got like a three picture deal off of the short film. That was they like delete. They erased all the cars in the four. If I may add a plain landing It was all about applying landing on the four or five that stands for You do not knife. I would find it impossible if you had an actually seen it it was it was who bought I filmed someone bought, I found. Was it someone someone bought because I film was really the repository for all of that threat? sat back and even though Youtube's only eleven years old in it, it feels like what did we do, for I mean look along the restrictive guys have been doing. What did you do, but rather well? We had opposed. Little videos tiny little from males as videos, the motorway forever look terrible ice. I still remember too, like in car. My cousin got Encarta secular

media, but cd rom played videos near you could watch a video were so pixelate it in. I love that oh member watching the the Encarta CD rom videos and my eye was, I think, at that time it was a Mackintosh Performer computer, which was which I had to buy from MAC Mark as there was no apple store and create crazy, there's, pc, mom and MAC Mall was the the MAC alternative. Why not badges? And I trust you couldn't get? I knew beverages. Yes, yes, Babbage S, light MAC, mall, pc mall, had I feel like pc more, had a store that I could go to that had a small MAC section Yes, it was right around the time. The welcome is right around the time of the old, the old MAC adds, with with Jeff firm

problem, and I remember that you never the problem that markets yeah yeah not only to just go Jack onto these MAC ads and then someone a few years ago, slowed them down by about thirty percent and it made him send super drunk starting. I do not remember that first computer was a MAC. I see them really a black and white, so jealous of my friends, color pcs Katerina my first Peter was a tiaras. Eighty eight ten I saw him radio show tiaras, eighty, which was a terminal computer, so was that it was a terminals, are the key was built into the water and it didn't it didn't really do that's right now, until the advances the terrorists, eighty color computer. To that you could run through Your television, the RCA allowed- that was really that's when that's when technology

sure. You remember I'm sure you must have had this too, but growing. All I got J J brother did you run, but member in class learning computers. There is, I think, I'll turtle that you had to type in Cody gave directions and I would go o my lord. That was how we learnt that was learning computers and kindergarten. I think we had that in my school garden. We did not have when I was a kindergarten totalling was you keep your path? So was? I have actually that's that's multi, but the way we now been ignoring J J the whole time he just came in and said that we were talking about early early, that every time a revision three where, where did where he's to work and just about being ahead of the curve and video and to how it seems only in a decade how anything ever got posted before that? Just because you, member

four or five, the that short film that was truly learning. We hope you're leaving her yeah yeah exactly. I actually reference that in this TED talk edited years ago, I'm crazy Mister Baxter talk when he now a shock at that, Sir, You did know that. For short, why was a fan of yours from will? Not just because of totally show, but also put on those is so fuckin guide, which is like five old man. That's so crazy! Inscribe member hearing you talk about it with Asia, Tyler, maybe even on her part, cast an eye flipped out. Oh yeah, I did talk so amazing yeah. That was let that was a long time ago, but that was really fun to make. I you know I started out doing commercials and also hosting the Loretta, but always wanted to make movies and all the commercials that idea.

We're very like slice of life, emotional documentary style, not big in cinematic and ultimately, the kind of movie that I wanted to make. So I decided to the short based on that, because in I've seen a lot of success happening from these shorts that were very effects, focused and felt. Warlike affects reels then than stories, and I thought this would be a club to induce in its very story oriented and that also has special effects, but they're, not in a giant robots and alien switches, stopped that I love. But the effect itself is something that sort of interesting and and so on the one hand museum is very this role, but is also something that engages you in a very puzzling way in, and I also love like we shall gangrene Spike Jones and I thought we could have a visual effect that sort of mine bendy, as opposed to yet such as pervert for port and at that particular time like watching. Watching

makers, use, Youtube and like all these are you can actually make something. Look really good inexpensively ends. And show case that you know this is a real platform for four for legitimate total narrative contents. Only I am so I up. I will have to apologize to you. Jane Abrams because Cinema, what answers with his baby. Ok, one hour's explore that. We- we were at a we read. A snazzy party after the the academy awards and ass. I am, I met TIM Cook and I've. I furrows I froze cause it. I just I didn't exposed talking to someone from Apple article, O Tim cooks. Have you met him? No TIM come here like a girl, I wasn't prepared a guy and then I didn't know what to say. I didn't know what to say. I meant to thank him for protect Our privacy rights couldn't get that it was just like.

Saw you at an airport like it was just so I turn and grab the person. Next to me, holy shit, my team cook, and it's you- and so then I was embarrassed for a couple of reasons because number one euro, like yeah, I know what you know: you and timber friends? Naturally and- and I just felt like a complete douche bag. No, it was very, it was it was. It was sweet that you had that reaction about him. I was cause. You know it incredible with what they do over there and in its deserved. But you know, is it a good guy and you know my eye I understood that that crazy excitement, but he now he It is funding there. Some crazy thing that could happen come up in this and observe the shower doing where he was actually. He was written in as a camera, and

He'll, never do it, but I was basically trying to sell him and you don't know if you won't do you might know it whenever there would be. That would be amazing to me. There's money had no matter where you are in your career is like I feel like I'm due. A million things. Would then I look at you, wanna go! No! No J J is really doing many things, but then you pray, look at him. Couldn't go now: TIM cooks ravaging a million the world you know, will be doing a million things, but the the things that like what they do is incredible when you think about the tools that we use that have come from that place and now you see giant building their their building using the videos of this I've seen I've seen like some of the country, I haven't citizens things a compound showing it it's a huge ring this massive. You know don't shaped, but it's just its insanely big it it's if you don't think

What that, whether gonna do there, what are really a particle accelerator? That's gonna out of a window into another eight, I guess, I'm just say their disdain. Oh my gosh, I'm so in autism. In a vague thou anxiously from space of Europe kind of look like the earth, but all I mean not. I did some amazing up close, but I think from far away it does its only. It does look like a book just just a little bit. Just a little bit the just really. I wonder if I say that in seven years that they go God, dammit, listen, cancel the plans or they just enshrouded in half or something just so like a thing. How do you keep your brain together? How do you keep you know, especially because when I heard the DNS offered Tinkler feel lane filling, it came out pretty quickly and other movies coming out, and I think it is

but you just you just got through the space movie. So how are you able to packets which and get into the production of this? we were working on this for a long time and and lives you ever who runs features here has produced the movie with me was running point on it and I involved early on, I was less involved, were watching dailies and throwing out suggestions during the shoot. But it was you know Dan. I was added in the country. Lindsey was doing great and she was there and set as well and in New Orleans and then, when we finish up with force, awakens but you know about it, stands movie and offer opinions, but was a really movie and it was. It was a really fun kind of in a way to the sort of massive responsibility of star wars to get involved in something that was fun to work on with people who are terrific work with. That was a much more intimate movie.

Effective work with that was a much more intimate movie that we actually that that no one had expectations for, and so it was the little the opposite experience and it was up to us to try and get attention this movie deserves it. I think I think, ended an amazing job and we were hoping that people would- and I will see what happens, but other people will react well to the thoughts frank, damned an extraordinary job, and for me it was a blast worker I mean it. I saw it so Tuesday. I got an email from Paris, That said there are you. Do we really need to see the movie before you do the thing I go, I dont in moving I'm adding my calmly special in addition that midnight and talking dad unnoticed in passing, I dont that can't create doing where the Chinook I'm doing a lot more than I just want it to be known that I'm doing more than TIM, but I don't know if I can do this afternoon, we want really.

We talk a lot about the movie anyway, because we can't spoil anything they said if there is any way can see it just try. So I call my fiance, who was my ultimate, who I have the most responsibility too, and I said I know we're supposed to do moving stuff tonight. They're gonna screw Paramount's offered to screen ten chlorophyll lane and we watch every horror, sigh fi, everything together and I said you know: do you want it's gonna make this a date, nine. She was like yeah, let's do it so they became this really fun date night. They set up his private screening. Rainforest paramount in the movie was

fucking fantastic, it was so good. Then it was so good. It was unexpected and it didn't she. What is your fancy? She loved it? You know my first question when they said we see the Ruby was like. Is it shaky, can found footage cause? I must threw up. I love the first clover field, but there were a couple times or I thought I was gonna- throw up and pass out only two and I had I had two. She I was just listen to most of it. I didn't have the rational, chlorophyll, but Blair Witch project. I saw opening night the angelic at New York and I walked out impute my guts out, but the theater and throughout and I like get- motion sick and I didn't at all and Blair Witch and on chlorophyll and everything to Matt. You know I I I will throw up when I watch a movie, can you please I never digs we're watching it on the abbot, so you're, looking at a small scale, and then remember at the premier I watch and I saw my

Dad LE relieve the theater, and I was like utterly right behind that fucking over it s really hard. And yet you know it's it's true to that style, the absolute but dear Lord, it's it's! Sometimes it gets you sums it does, I'm from playing woven Stein as a kid and if you're, if you're, not controlling it, I think it makes a those you're in sync with before making the camera is doing. In watching a paw green grass me recently I'll still get sick playing halo met, yet no entrepreneurs, it's what you have to take with you ever like jerk, that control in a way that you didn't intend. That's what I think creates that feeling. But if you're in sync with where the cameras going what's happening, then I feel like it doesn't. Do that weird inner ear, Brad or no Blair witch saw the way that the best way to similar women's anyone tell someone gave me an unmarked, VHF taken a lightning and it- and this was this- was at that time in ninety seven. I think it was this was before ninety eight, before their whole, like all its found,

right rhinos. So there were, there were tittering of like. Is this real? What is that you know and it wasn't around the same time, people were passing around videotapes a spirit of Christmas. You know before our thing it was it was. It was I r l viral of actually to create an handout tapes and that didn't make me sick because of that reason, but but yeah you actually have an agreement on the new star tours, because the old start towards Disneyland made me ill, that I was afraid to go on the new. What I ve been sick or such, but the new structures is awesome have to u have to. In fact, I've been on its is therefore, so I can see that there is that we failed oh, my God, jumbo rigour in my absolute starters. Ride was filmed writer is it doesn't randomly show up like all the other things are. You definitely have that You ain't around. I think it has that kind of renovation thing we're it'll every right different deserve right, a number of different beyond its awesome dude, you have you, I think it being treaties, sort of helpful because remorse

first the other warmer speedy bit but Winona with your movie, though no knowledge inducing gear and went with great about it. When, when I, when I tweeted out this move, is amazing and people need to see it, which is honestly how I felt I really think people should see it myself, because it's it's it's unexpected and it's not it if you dont have to have seen the first one. I think it's nice, if you ve, seen the first one but it also sets up this kind of clover field unit, this universe, that sort of loosely almost black mirror style that you see black mare at all, so in overseas and in every other everything's a part of this. It feels like everything's a part of this universe without necessarily being a direct. This leads to this. Kind of cooperating in what should it while it sort of any order exactly of course, you you have the Twilight zone plates right. You still have the plates, don't you have

credit plate saw the. We only have the at the very end fur sterling's brushing company, it's sort of, though, unlike the seal of approval, like the kind of yet the good housekeeping seal of approval type, yeah, but it's the original original yet would suggest that you just have that you just have that piece of television history upstairs on greater thing I just found out was going through some old files and seventy trying to get rid of things that need. And I found this letter that I had that I had forgotten about this. From rods, hurling to a fan, and it was this letter that said basically sounded written and ask some questions, and it was, it was selling saying you know a lot of times. I wanted to give you some quick answers and it was an eight pay. A single space responds to to so many questions how he writes what is process is how because up with ideas, why he It is certain thing in a movie. You know that in time a pint of the apes was after them. It was that the most generous letter

from someone who claimed not to you know what a lot of time to respond, but it was just it really slow to this end. I read it when I mailed rod sterling you have not yet he Twitter, without a word but it is an incredible thing to see. Just did make this rod, shrilling discoveries and what what? some of the things that he said in terms of his country letter. It's really it's it's, it's very cool kindest. It is a great danger that what what what to do I got an accelerator, we'll see this, you mean that, definitely definitely different time. A rod, sir Red Sterling seem like a kind of an intense guy. He seemed like a little bit of an intense guy and I've got to know Carol his widow. Who is one of the greatest and swedish people about time and amazing thing I was talking to once about his process, which was he would dictate scripts, whose why asked her to she have any tapes

Oh yes, and so she gave me this piece of audio, it is him that doing a script. This was post dwellers, but him right and the the first time. This is years and years by listen to it for the first time in my office at Home- and it was like one hundred and thirty in the morning- and I on, and I was alone in the middle of the Will you listen to rod? Serling writing. So it was so beautiful, so creepy in it like you'd. Here he turn off the microphone Just thinking then turn back home again, and it was just amazing and it was it was. It was his process. You heard him coming up with it, then he like he revived is the line we just did and he'd give the tape it was on a different. They would give the tape to his assistant, who then type it all up, but it was an amazing thing and she is wonderful one of a person whose their hemming in high good use. Did you see him? I'm fumbling for words

was you always wanted to do? Was he would? He would make specific corrections about things that he would? He would say he would make sure it was like, so is like format in the right way, What is cause where he would pause it because you I'm going to run a couple lies of dialogue than you, and you know you like stopped and thought and consider them to be kept going, and I was just this. You know it was incredible insight into a hero. Well, speaking of that, when the last time we were here I think the framework for five years ago may be talking to you about. We were talking, millimeter alot an in the morning, Super eight Sabrina Millimeter that as the major legal aid and occasionally the agile success, social measures that are that movie always coming talk about yes into very creeping, is so there is. There is a seat at the end of a sort of a rip off of why you come right after I guess, seven sort of right people thought

Yet it was in that kind of snuff film. Yes, yes category, but there was that. I remember boy, don't Schumacher, I think, is a really I'm not recently, but he's made so many different cool mover flat letter. You follow copies. Bilateral loans is great light ass, always amazing, but then some like imagine tiger. Animal, loving targeting when it came out with a totally different and felt yeah like always really Oh John rose loved love, their era error watching last boys, and so we wanted to play this active. That's the thing I mean. Ok, we're like sure all the cool kids would go down and do a shortlist muscle man play the saxophone. Why wouldn't they do that in the eighties, but there's seen at the end of a millimeter aware Nick Cages, like he's just he's been through eddies had it, he can't take it anymore, Yes, do you just starts cry? He starts you in this

the theatre. I was in a with laughter and I cannot think little by the intended it and use fire Schumacher. Ready, exotic, maybe one of his first movie smart and by weight who wrote car Wash Joe Schumacher, really interesting Corroding characters now drop by drop, Jerry Roofs and we're back but also but the line time to chill growth that is, consumer activities. But but I love get the gems kill heroes quota. But when we were here would like a separate- and you know you you're really, was kind of a period of major transition for you, Like you said, oh, and we went in there and speed. Word came in and help me fix this one thing so, but you're a kind of that now a gear.

Guided me? I've Hano sent a million present. I know you may not think bed nets with it. You know it's not you fuckin, just directed STAR Wars movie here is there. Is there any kind of weird posts partum after doing something of that scale, where you probably your whole life, allow. That would be the ultimate you do it and it goes well. So what do you feel after we're not say what it is? It's a funny thing and you just particular business. I remember my whole life since I was eight or nine wanting to be a filmmaker, and it was just ass this, thing that I just knew if I was lucky enough to get a shot would be how I'd want to live my life, whether I could or not. You know I know, but it is one thing I want to forever. And there's a thing that happened for me, and I am sure we all have our versions of this- that you kind of think. Ok, that's somehow the finish line, that's the place! You want to get too when you get there, you will have become that person. That thing

will reach a certain level of insider evolution. Wherever that you will feel like I have, I have become that personally and I remember when I was in my last year of college and to a friend John is risky and we came up with an idea and we ended up. Writing it and then selling this pitch to Disney and it was taking care of business, and I remember signing these doctor. And getting paid, and I was suddenly professional screenwriter and I remember the feeling of not feeling different and how weird that was an Remember when we actually get made after ok? I see my name on. That was what was seeing me aim on and the time Jeffrey Abrams was. We noticed my given name, if only I thought well I'll go with that sounds much more grown up, and I Jeffrey Apron. On a screen. I thought- and I remember feeling no different, making that we're and and and

member since then talking about two aspiring filmmakers, how that happens. There isn't that moment where you reach that place and you each you're always the same person in other job that you do the deed, that you do is the same work that you do, whether you're getting paid or not it's better to get paid the not whether it's it's is produced or not. It's the same process and interesting that you bring this up because I feel like I have now gone through this kind of gauntlet and- and I was lucky enough to get the opportunity. I was lucky enough to be part of that movie and work with others, people and we were all lucky have a go as well as it did. I sit here the where would have sat here.

Ten years ago, the oil price, if your ten years from now it's like there is not that moment, will you go? Oh, it feels different. I feel it's like. I don't know about you, but I, whether it's a thing, I've written or a thing that I've directed it whatever it is. I know I've done it and I am. I can talk about the process, but it somehow impossible that has happened, because when you get to the other side you're the same exact person. You know our experiences shape us a little bit, of course, but I just us airfield gratitude then said here at all, and then I got in part of something that was as much fun is force, which will also be enjoying the process. To that you have to it's? U have to really, I think, that's what people don't understand when they think of when it when they it's, so that finish line mentality. If you think a finish line mentality, your beautifully gonna be disappointed,

and you're not going to like it sooner, can a feeling the different than that's gonna mess of their heads. But why don't? I feel any different. What's wrong with me now depressed I got the thing: are you really know how to use a word you executive living- and I think that this all the time- and I know you said it on the show- a bunch too- is that line from from power it will be a partner that there's no spike the Bob never cross, not finished yet ever spike them, and I feel like an you of all this, but I would only movements are recent robots and you ve had like the most. You would think spike the ball kinds of moments in a variety of ways getting that job. And then nailing that job. But even then you can, you were hearing him say that it isn't that way, and I think that is its two things. It's like one is the career thing of ok cool. I did this, but not like that, giving

getting the job was first small, pitching with the producers initially Nan getting chanced to pitch D. J J so's, like is excited ass. It was to get that opportunity. Now. I have to do that and we have to make that happen. And then him digging it and then having to pitch the studio and having them dig in the recently to the Green you know, there's out, there's always and acting in an even making movie as amazed that is now it has to be fuckin good. You can't make a bad movie. I can't be I made a bad movie will judge. You know like on the variable they're gonna mean, like he's, made, these amazing movies. So if this one socks it's like, while whose fault is that

yours and resent now. I was well aware that you have so so, and it now now having done this movies, and how can I think it was? The next thing has to be that you know so so queer wise always, but its entering the way that you say how it feels the same, because that that to me was the big realisation making. This was that, on the one hand and fell like a technically nothing had ever done before, never done something on this scale, but the same time it felt exactly like everything I've done. It felt like making movies my yard with my best friends in action figures, and I think I did it So why movies work? That's my stories work because at one feels the same feeling

when you were a kid and you had a crush on someone that feeling that happened in you, though the little butterflies, whilst at the same feeling that you had, when you're afraid of something that that fear that Russia fairly view as the same feeling its met might be of different things and about different things, but it's for its chemically the same process. So when you see things in a story that delay dared make, you feel you know if you're going to this emotion, while we all sort of not our heads and go yet that that feels true or whatever, and the unity of business. Friends on me for a long time like every girl at a crushing but it, but that feeling of of of accomplish meant. You should register at a little bits cause you. You know you. I think you'll do probably ten movie are you ten of something over the course of several years. You'll still feel the same, but I think there's that Karadzic moment words like show me sound of a new look alike,

how do I know all that stuff? And I didn't realize it's in my head totally and I think that's where J J is too it's like. I was twenty two, the credit thing, which is where my farmers, while time but also like when you play for my brothers and the first I'm you played your like inching towards every jump and very carefully calculated with then a few dynamite times doesn't say: neck aim, the first levels you like mastered and and you hold B to run for and is no longer about, like just making the job. It's like kind of put little also memory exactly. It's all muscle memory, but because I hope you know I mean that you have at least some concept of you know, even if this movie does it make billion dollars adding is going to cause a really great, but even if it did, I think this is gonna. An open. So, may I mean everyone merely with wine statism. Mazes, John good luck. Everyone is amazing in the movie and without giving too much away. It's not really one genre movie, it really kind of

and I want to give it away again, but there, but there's a lot of different things, but it's still a simple story which is kind of an incredible in kind of an incredible thing. Yet totally. I think that that was what was exciting to us. Is that your really it that it let it combines, as you know in that, and that I think this there's parts of this movie that are very familiar very similar to other movies, is very much like misery or dead com, in many ways, but then there there's another way in which this movie functions, that is kind of incompatible was which made a challenging, was very hard to find comparison, besides, can just to make a movie period and make a movie forbad robot the idea of making something that would not be quiet

make a movie and make a movie after bad robot the idea of making something that would not be quiet. You know there there's, I don't think, there's a version that you walk out of this movie and shrug and go to dinner and just not talk about it. I think, no matter what your feelings are. You will be talking about the movie when you walk out, which is a really awesome, especially in a time when tv is so awesome and you We want a reason to go to the theatre. This is a great communal experienced a have not just for all the hopefully screams that occur amidst you in and but to really having experienced lighted. We just watch that together that just happy is a really cool where that you're always chasing as an audience member, because every time you go, I what's your in a movie wanted one when you watching move and you get it for you go get it. It's goods can be kind of over at that point, because then people kind of go on autopilot

right. If that happens early in a movie and that's obvious area, but it's what those movies Rico, I think. Ok, I think I get it. Oh, no! Ok! Now I know I know you know, and so it always it stays just there's this guy. Like story care at that's just out of your reach that you are constantly chasing in the movie and it's really is it really is fantastic. I'm curious when what is someone have to pitch to you? What what? What is a pitch to J J Abrams that makes you go yeah? I think this is something that I what happened happen in a pitch for you to get behind it. Obviously you know, like any of us is like this. No one thing, it's that sort of thing. What's the joke to make, you laugh it's like the funny one. You know one of the arts. I forgot my stockings our athletes, but but this was a pitch I had heard before read the script that was submitted and it was the idea was so compelling. We know what happens if you are.

In an accident need saving, but what happens if the person that save you might be crazy and what happens if you're told it incredibly dangerous outside, but then you realize it's terrifying inside and it was just such a twilight zone. To go back to that. You know. Example: premise that it immediately got me excited because I just felt like I want to see that that movie, Then we are developing the story a little bit in and playing with the job, must have a little bit can enter pushing. Metson doing things that made it clearly overtly a kind of fever dream insane thing. That kind of defied, easy description and once Dan, came on and and came in and was so clear where the kind of tone and and modulation and vision for a kind of grounded its-

what a anything, but that allows it to be really funny and really twisted and really terrifying and really unexpected it. Just like, though I had never met Dan, it felt like that's exactly what this movie need, and I knew I was gonna- be going off to do a star wars. We Linsey Weber, the producer New Dan Beforehand and was such a Champion for him and I just trust Linsey implicitly I just felt like in my experience, Sudan, given Linsey, even though I was- Can it be around for the shoot it felt like such an obvious? You know, like any collaboration The faith but arrested taken. The risk was a low risk. It wasn't a huge budget movie and it was a very in arms complex, storyteller and someone who, while he hadn't done before was was a wonderful communicator of

movie he wanted to make, and I think you did literally the exact thing you said you wanted to do where's, making discoveries along the way and an as yet? do, but it was a great collaboration. I loved it well when you go off. STAR wars, movie adieu, basically said everyone unless the building is on fire other me, because I need to focus on this. You know we have There were some things that went sideways. While I was away there were some tv projects we had that did not in any way. The way we wanted it to there were some things that that by wishing happened differently and in a part of it is who you are collaborating with and making sure that making the best possible choices. Part of it is my being delinquent. When I was working the STAR Wars movie I should have known how a I was gonna be, and even if I had been available who's to say I would have helped anything it might have. You know it might have gone so much better than it had

been involved. So in it you never quite now and at like I mean it everything's leap of faith. You never know you know when you sit down to do every You know interview, you can't know if these boring as this one with me right now about to show. Not because I want to say- and, as I say I said, has drifted second nuts grist, but I do think that there are. You know that there are things that I had to overlook when I was in in London Workin that movie, but I was doing post here for over a year in this building. So I got to at least in a get to be witness to or pulled into things at that for what one is another might many might enjoy, even when he was shooting. I was very impressed that, because I would think I'd want to do is think about that movie. I would not want anything entering my focus, but we would still he would watch Oliver dailies. And the idea of of him being on the millennium falcon looking at shots, that we were concocting was overwhelmed.

By the eleven it's ok, I know the actual, not like upper ten one. The real one that all want, but they were really they were, they were really fun dailies to watch honestly and it wasn't like. It was a headache that I had to you know it was a little bit like when we were not shooting. When we are waiting for things is anyone has been set knows this their long pauses. We wait for the thing to be set up. You may Harrison Fort hardly used last brutal way, for he was led by the Harrison it should be known, would arrive onset before they would ever call for him. And he would be there ready to go. He is so cosmic professional in the definition of cut a pressure so that the truth is that he was last personally way, for There are other people Blake. I believe what I would say that it was always. My motion is doing well. The great thing about Harrison Forest and few comecon. A few years ago he was surly Harrison Ford right.

I was there to hang cover, for the four hours were salient yet what we actually know. It was four and Enders game Islanders. Cobblers aliens was the year there was the stabbing rest showers, I was sitting with those migrants is there for them to get. Him was an energy in Africa, but I knew it was you. Because they Africa was irresistible regular Zephyr Cowboys ever first, which I think was. She doesn't allow maybe and then a cup of two or three years. For, I am renders game here. A few certainly was thoroughly Harrison for, like people would get up to ask questions What would the solo saving early Indiana Jones emulate? Allow so is like use, pretend grouchy, but maybe a little gratitude, but at the panel we did this past year. He was so

and genuinely moved by everything he seemed so into it, and thankful ungracious sin and he was really really lovely. You could not be more at honestly, I don't know what's changed or if he just sheriff just then a good. I dont know what it was, but it really I imagine this is actually a part of the equation- is starting to work on star wars again, but with someone who you know was making it awesome, not not to other Harrison since known Harrison since nineteen ninety and we did regarding Henry and and getting to work with him in this way, which means was scary, proposition, United Direct it matters to be writing something better direct him and not just wreck Harrison for, but him as HANS Solo is like it impossible to know what that would be like, and then, when that accident happened, he was hurt and he was offer little. While I think that the combination of being back in this role of

I think, the very different thing to be where he is now in his life and be dealing with us those stories and its demise in the movie. They're all these things that were that we're like, I think it's a very different thing to be, where he is now in his life and be dealing with us, those stories and being of thirty seven years old and doing returned the jet, I'm begging to be killed. I think that that there is, there's a sort of you know as pencil himself has I think Harrison. You know he's lived these years. A wiser guy than he was he's he's so brilliant they work with an actor. Who knows the thing to do before You never ask me to do it like you know. He knows where the camera it. He is so like the last great We start, you know he's like he is that guy and he doesn't exactly what needs to happen up I'm more often than not. Would

throw are thrown up an idea out to him. He would sort of complete the sentence and do the thing, and I would just say thank you like it was like he does. He just he knew how to do it at the next take as opposed to getting there in spending for five takes, make it work. But I think that his appreciation for being this guy in this in this movie with this cast that he had so much fun with days. He had so much fun with with biogas, and he it was like watching him with carry again They would laugh like the things that they would say and she's. So you know out there with her brilliant. You know humor and he got it is like a little bit of reunion that they got to celebrate because they could appreciate doing it. But you can't when you're twenty or thirty years old, right understanding how this business understanding how lucky we all are. Be here at all. You know they came. The party with knowing what the rest of the world is

you. No knowing what it is to be out there and see people who they know. You know maybe not have that the lives of careers that the data maybe not even be alive anymore. You know I mean here they are now, I still say but as good as ever, and I think that they could appreciate the opportunity- and it was it was beautiful, say well now. Ok, this is the perfect time for my pitch to scald. Regarding Henry I so when he had a lands at the bottom of the thing after he's been stabbed, Halloran he's not dead, he doesn't die, he forgets who he is on my back and then ass to be re, evaluated and lay is gonna command a whole separate, the basic philosophy of Ajax its are to hit it. So it's a different type of a story in this universe. Gallipoli the star wars, universe, is expensive enough. What regarding Henry

I want to see if you, if you had the guts to say it again, because You know that at such an amazing idea that you're gonna go do it. I just wanted to make sure that it was there was in in the year the movie cannot. There was a a porn film called regarding Heinrich yes, I've I remember that and I'm a lot and I thought I had not ass. Yet I just wherever and whenever I had the the box on a shelf me first come in to my house. I lived and my friend of David spade came over one day? I was this and he opened the box and he took the tape and never get back really want to back this boy better over the body is despite that tape. So well there were a handful of lake went when they started. Billy parodying those weaknesses like rascally nor ends drastic pork regarding Jaime's having Ryan Reinhardt. I must say that others are really lasted only yet, and so it Emulous United

the star wars? Universe could could handle families, they really didn't, say what you are really going back aims at your ear, really resistant regarding hungry returning hungry. I think its awesome. I actually always wanted. I carry them taking this road with it, but the Earth Darth malls demise. I always felt more. It's like he was gonna think he was gonna come back with like a robotic. All things are happening in rebels are guaranteed and yet, but I want that to be, I thought it no break, as it was evident to us. No nobody by no death and in general, as you know, I felt like balloon ways. You know it's it's one of those. It's just. It is one of the universe is that literally, is its own, separate industry, because, even if you, even if you did like, like a like a spinal tab, tour documentary with vigour and Dan, we'll nodes. I would watch it like, there's so much there so there ever.

So granular and every character. Every thing is something that you could branch off in an entirely be its be its own thing. A great and when you were when we did the panel last year, it was we had this were hersel the night before, and I think that it was a most impressive to make, as I was already excited about seeing it. I was already super jazz, your your little into your, Instagram videos of December, one fourth awakens when the First came up, you're like forests, awakens what's this about, and there was a little bit of what the new posts that first since it video relic of wait, wait a minute! now and then and then watching the excitement, build up through COMECON last year, and seeing you in and Frank Marshal and capping, Kennedy and Brine Burke, another in and just like their chasm and they learn lurk has again effort in offering my but Frank, Frank, Frank, Gee thanks was there. Was there with care for forgery?

he was, then he was at the he was in the rehearsal cause. He was there with other train and then and lords chasms well, but you, you are all thing, but you are also very human about the whole thing and it wasn't like a boy. You're gonna make a lot of money on this. You know you were so sincere about. I just want people like it. I care about it. I dont know if you're going to like it, I think they are, but this is really important to me and it in that kind of that it was almost like a fan approach to development, some kind of a fan film in in a weird sore in words or where you feel that way filleted. I don't if anyone working on a saga or a series of movies the show. The answer level isn't doing that because it pre exists. My guess is the people who are doing it I'll do it because they love it that they care about it. So you could argue that that's true, but you said you weren't that huge of a star trek fan and you still made a good start moving true, but I also said that that in working

I actually started to see the things that may I wish I'd, give him more of a shot when I was growing up, because I had friends who loved it might never did. I started to love it. You know as laid a doctor, but I I I I loved it because I got to know it and I saw how powerful those relationships Warren. What Robert had created in the whole sort of. Paradigm in that that notion of unity and optimistic view. Are there so many things that I hadn't appreciated really given the chance, but I think that, with with the now going to come, Khan with that movie with the tray it was it was you know the pine scenes future. I think it was. It was a very it was. It was, other scary. You know sort of threshold across because it was like Every time the revealed something we did know what the hell I was gonna, be, of course we anticipated that there would always be flow back from some.

Corners and some people and, of course, their their arming, you're, never gonna make something that one's gonna like, and yet this podcast approve of about it. It's an amazing thing to see how the generous the fans warrant- and it was its testament to how much they wanted to go back to that place. That day, the George created that they left him I just I just think seeing people you know, some of whom have been working in the business for long time still having the kind of China, especially I mean they can be as someone that I completely worship I mean she is. She is partially responsible for almost every thing that I love no domain of Europe into office. No, can, I know you're lucky relational now, but but you should break him because he does a shelf that she has nearer desk happens. Have I, like all the great american movies and she's produced all of them

really, but what you have a great collection. I love those move, any forget their own river. You couldn't name all the movies she produced and you would be leaving out half the movie. She produced Can't believe the movies made an end it is. She's an unbelievable and you can talk about something and she can sort of nod and say yes and then tell her personal story having been involved in actual creation of the practice shoot. The posting of of films that you know are the obvious ones and then the ones that you can't even remember that she was involved, anything dear God, how, God? How did she do all this at Umbria and she's? You start The same thing we're gonna go. This is just the thing that we did. We resolve these problems and and that's kind of that's what kind of exciting for you I would imagine, is you're sort of standing on the precipice of this now this this this Koreans. Who long career had a view, and there might be a point in thirty or forty years, how to Jamaica? You know that,

regarding Han re such a great title that heritage make. I was like. I know when I say it was a lot of money is going to say they said dad you're gonna rush out and make this movie, and you know, and I'm sure- for you, I just know about that, was no nano Jason Raw is here for your treasure. Further, he sees the he's off divine Peter PAN I've made. Am I now like a weird, I dont know what was the Peter prosecutor. Panting. Just right is very just that I made him a pirate I'll get dollar. Ninety cannot talk to soon that he has signed a fine Peter PAN gotta pick pair hook Yet never ever ass left finish line, never spying, Adele, whatever that, as we know, it notice now say that when you are talking about force, wakens, the title and and and and how peacetime, today, we seemed about making another stuff. They did. What I thought was so cool him. You ve ever mention this to you or not, but I thought about lot was

I feel, like I'm sure, there's a lot of bad versions of doing us, wars movie again, but I think that there is also probably a number of good versions as well, but but it was the way you guys chose to make it like. Specifically, that title is genius in, like its functioning inferred, the movie purposes for the actual started movies telling, but it's also functioning in a way for the audience or the audience, but then also all of the marketing, the first teaser and an eye thing and then finally getting to chew, we were homelike vote. Those were were every grown man right, and we put it in writing that out of knowledge in the audiences relationship to the movie and end the story of the movie, the weight than the movie unfolds, you always feel like it speaking you're you're, like so you're, so invested in the story, because it feels like you like the fact that there's a character who heard of Luke Skywalker,

but isn't sheriff its trillion, all those thing. That's what got me right when I first talked a cat riot and then we knew in the materials in the teachers that we needed to talk to them since we say, were with you in this way, and I am so that there was an intention there, but it was You know every step was terrifying. Just don't now, though, is gonna work using part as you as the filmmakers having this met a conversation the audience and egg, we what you're worried about. We know it's gonna be ok did this. Is you know it's in good hands, although I would have pitch this is an opening everyone's gets on? The screen ever sits down of screw. That shows dragon. The screen opens, and in Georgia Amazon and go and then light Sabre, just cut them in half and his body folds in half and then the cross.

So if you wanted to do that, you like a demon even regarding honorary luckily the openings he didn't. Even these yeah, I'm picking up that's gonna. It's gonna be three o clock in the morning and regarding hundreds going to happen had and you're gonna start getting ideas for it. It's gonna, it's gonna, be a brain worm. Let's go FED ardor as it already is money. I think he must think where you already thinking about the next thing everybody thought about. The next thing: are you, Germany, in declaring ailed? We really we finish this movie very recently. And which is awesome, which is the blessing in the curse of of technology. Now is that you can finish so soon and I'm sure, I'm sure, like a mission impossible, you probably, though, still

film prince and it wasn't- we weren't where we are now, so you were unable to to cut down beyond the wires and much. But the idea we can really make things as perfect as we want to make them, is so awesome and such a privilege, but it means that we really were working until the very last second, so I was so focused on that mean there. There was some things removed that I had development before making this, call time of the century? It's like a big science fiction, heist movie, that is super cool and really original, and some that I would love to do, but that was we still be developing on. So if there's just there's no big thing Thank you said you said something that I want to ask both of you about which, as you know, you can make things perfect until it. But now do you ever do you feel like the pursuit of this kind of office idea, perfection now, is not the right after we hardly know after the premier I was like there are still some things that other diseases

it's. Ninety eight percent awesome. If ninety percent, you know like you, can't it's really hard and you kind of I do yeah, I'm gonna get. I get the temptation to always want to go back in and make movies it is a possibly can. I understand that a new way now, for short, can you can you do you have it in a moment you go how it's done or do I always feel like. I just had more time, if I just more this? If I just one more that you know, you always want more time in it in time we know because liberation I try to surround myself not by yes people, but by tired, kicker is people go. I now, let's look at it again, let's, and so sometimes I will be feeling like. I think this is what the sequence needs to be. You know even the whole movie and I'll, have someone you know in the case of force waken It was either Michel. Russia was one of the producers or Ryan Burke. When I visit who, in the editors too, who had sort of you know not being say, this isn't

it's funny that could be it on thinker. This doesn't really lander, I'm not feeling that so it sort of You know you go into as many times as you can and you sort of look at it and, of course you lose your perspective, any sort of bringing some people, you trust, who can tell you from the outside, but the thing I am always so envious of is that you know that kid is drawing a picture in class and mean a little kid man like Undone What happened here? Ok, but had no part of it, might be that they just want to go out play parliament's repeated there either distracted, but I do think that there is There is a moment where you can work on things over think things and go too far and begin to shave off One of the things I admire enormously about what Dandan in this religion. Is he really let things hold and you could argue in this age of you know: insanely, quick,

What's that this movie, if you'd almost to look on the editing, you know timeline the avid timeline. My guess is that this movie has infinitely fewer cuts than men, movies that are coming out now, because the movie is just so confidently told us still in its in its storytelling and allows to think again and and in and go deeper, and it's a thing that I think. How to get into your skin and and makes it a unique experience? In addition, of course, it performances and and camel work everything but there's something about the pace of it, and I love the you didn't work on it so concerned with you, don't look at all times a keynote with it was not about the speed is, but the tension was about. The terror was about the you know the reality of the moment- and it required that you hold on on moment, so that the main character can really start to piece together in the audience

whither. I think at every step I think Mary, Elizabeth winced. It is truly remarkable in this movement an amazing job of it, and I think it was because Dan allowed it to breathe, allowed it to sort of happen, and I just I think you can. You can become a mist mistakes in any direction, but I really loved how you allowed the movie the sort of fight its rhythm and not get so close to the euro is almost getting bored with wanting to kind of you now get get going It gives a mother could have probably been five minute shorter and arguably just the same. You know story, but the fact that it lets it just sit, and, let's things you know simmer. Adjusting is what makes it is powerful. That is, what's your favorite part of the process? Actually it was. It was the Pratt phase, because that a there so esters do so. Much promise then, like the movie, can

we haven't shot at. Yet we have. We aren't weren't, looking at the voyage, we aren't like. Oh, I wish I had this or that whatever everything you're talking about is all very exciting and there was something very cool about going to an office every day. It is a job that you dont, often at least for me. You know you're not going to an office in as a kid. I always really and be the idea of like wearing a suit and carrying a brief case and having things in a briefly that I would actually hate that job, but this came there. It's just I had an office. We would all have meetings in with sterile lighting and and talk about the blueprints in the design of the the sad and there was something called looking around and standing amongst grown men and women. Take. Very seriously the idea of make believe you know that was it's like this is the same thing that we would talk about as kids in our backyard but like but were not were added,

and this is what we ought to take very seriously. We really need to build this another, but it's all to help further the character of the story or make this exciting thing happen in, like so an unmarried, I'm very You're saying is the same thing: that Steven Spielberg still to this day feels and talks about which is- that this amazing how lucky it is to get to be part of that, and it's not that that you or he are in any way unsophisticated. It's like that. If that child, like appreciation, rent for the process of getting to create an illusion and- and They make believe and then show to people. You know, and it's like that's the thing that, as you are beginning your career, it's like that today. I think that is critical to hold onto is never lose sight of how lucky it is to take the job very seriously and and sort of laugh every step of the way and and and appreciate how impossible it is that we get a digital data is really I want to say too

it speaks of that answer. Yes, is looking at a glance of writing again. I can't I can't even looking dies out I'd like to get all right. I'm gonna get vomit gatherings it. So I got just a moment. Tat is very in depth. The inner J J very such encourages. Trying to accomplish high fire results low fi way, specifically there's the car crash and the beginning of the movie, and we had done some stuff on a gamble. This really facilitated piece of equipment that chicks a car moves rounds off, and he really champion the idea of getting some additional static, be more intimate with the character that we all we needed was her performing the hell out of it and moving the calm around, and that stuff is the is the better moments of that car accident and

Not only is it did make the movie about it, make this river them at the scene better, but it also made the process more fun like I found myself this is so much more wording. You're right, it really is pulling off a magic trick leg. People, don't even know it's one thing for them to not to think something looks Corwin when. Made it using a cool tool rights. Another thing to do it in the most home grown. Way possible and it still look as expensive as but you know that is a special kind of rewarding feeling that that he's. You know huge and and and really encourage that throughout the process. Is there anything specific that you took away from the STAR Wars movie at when you got to the other side of it? What did you feel like? You must learn loads. Every time you get behind a camera, go for that process. What did you learn the most from this? It's really with what Dan is talking about, which is that the

that the moments that you need. The three most important moments are things that you have to sometimes get later, that you have to. We shot Nearly ten minutes of the movie here in the stage next door, and it will comments that, when you shooting a big sequencer, your shooting, but anything you you're getting lino. Obviously, since we are shooting them incentives, rewriting things but a lot of times. It was about these incredible critical, intimate moments that when you should because you try to make the day you gotta, make sure you're getting the stuff of, for example, mere shooting the First STAR Trek movie. You did that but a function stuff. You know you need, but when it gets us where the fine motorcycles, Sometimes you just don't have the focus, because you trying to make the day you gotta make sure you're getting the stuff of, for example, mere shooting the first particularly, we did indeed that whole scene near the opening when the young Kirk is stealing the corvette knees driving in the car and is being chased by a cop, and we have this whole thing over a couple days

Had this kid on this rig, and- and we had this cop vehicle that was on this, this farm? That was allowing. So there was a huge thing in middle of farmland, and it was just we had a ton of stuff to get him. We got all of it that we that we could do that we needed to and we cut off and get her when it came to doing a trailer, the movie. They showed me this one cut- and I had this moment with the kid- and I thought you know it so not as good as it needs to be an I'd. I'd had never really thought we haven't. We shot anything for that movie and I thought in a coffee. You only get we're doing the sound mix at fox. If we'd only get that shot of that kid and changes his reading and a single one of you shoot it, and I thought Of course you know I hadn't done that in and we really do any research on Mission three either so that ok great, let us try to

So while we were doing the mix, we went to the the parking garage at fox. We got the car. I say we're gonna. Do that I'd love to get a couple close up, so you get in the car, so it was very much like the car crash with Michel. So we we got the kid and yet where wig, because his hair was different entirely and he showed up and we have the car and we did the beat where young Turks who stands up having just almost fond. This big, you know quarry and he stands up, basically say what his name is difficult and so what we had the kid. I also got him driving it's a long story, but has a point and so we then got I'm driving leadership, the camera and had the kid. But there are Levin shots in that sequence that we shot at the Fox parking lot that are of the kids, driving him looking back and screaming and kind of rebellion. All these things that that we just did- no, we needed exactly

when were shooting with the russian Army in the car the rig and the kid- and so you just the answer, question, is either you learn in the editing room. You know always what you wish you had to the sequence that much more fond that which funnier and the thing you ever will regret, is getting those closeups of the actors of the characters of their eyes of their experience. Could literally the thing that that keeps the audience in the scene, and you can have the coolest biggest craziest Vinos e g fast ever, but none of it will now if you just looking at the figures of you, know people at a distance or gods. I view as you need to be in the face of the characters, I think, to a sound that is obvious, but I see it again and again when I look at a signal, I've done. I realize I don't feel a thing I rise. Oh my god, I'm missing that moments of, for example, when Ray and

Loretta are fighting in the woods with delight. Savers and theirs. But when he says I can show the ways the force and she hears the close your eyes and and then you see him looking at her in her eyes closed than you know, she should let it in. We did that you know next door and we did those shots which had never been part of the the script radically new and we are cutting it. I was missing the two point moment where she goes from almost being on the edge of the cliff. Meeting, her demise to turning tables and fighting back, and so we did that here and and it made the scene powerful, and it was literally as close as you possibly get her This is all about her eyes all about his eyes, but whereat pinewood. She that massive stage with you know very hundreds of trees and hundreds of people, and it was just another getting those closeups. We just didn't think to do it because you're just trying to make the day's work so

It's the same thing. That lesson is the same lesson that I think you are and what you do. An episode of a tv show the first home you're doing or lead to start Maybe it's always the same kind of thing have to get those details or nothing or so just out of curiosity, so it is Luke her father liked you and then what happens next? Can you I'll give you Ryan's number Nicky, This is the only thing that I love, but not working. That movie is an authoritarian derive. I mean that's, that's that is kind of a that must be overcome here, but I am glad that people are still gonna and really believe that get business cards arranged for you know, if you know it, you stepped into a mean. It is. I think it's it's. It's an amazing universe, but it's us As you will know, we will stop bugging you guys. We're gonna know that would so cool we're getting by now. Like that's not

not the end of general Reno work having more, but it also lists of ease that we never have. The audience is going to react, and I ain't you, George look for something like for four years ago and off camera was very personal and conversational. But then, when we started the official thing he just like totally buttoned up and he wouldn't really give an opinion on anything and I realize, like oh yeah- cause every time he opens Routh half the people are like you're a genius and have the rural. Like you suck. You know, it's like he just doesn't want you know. The thing is bigger than he is so why are you are Europe, we'll just letting it all kind of bee, whatever it's gonna be plugged entering the, world was without question a it was known territory was a risky thing. It obvious ease, it means so much so many people also

divisive thing any decision there are mediate opinions about, but I also know that that it was an option of a lifetime and I'm I'm thrilled to have been been part of it. I also know it's: it is bigger than George it's bigger than than all of us. I mean that that thing he created, which you know- there's also a source sorts, a of revisionist history about what was written the beginning and whenever one always knew, but the fact is we all saw it was called. Prevented the jedi until it was called returned the jet I like it. We know things change they went along its like that's beautiful, I that's. What storytelling is that it's cool No way no way did anyone, I think predict what star wars was gonna mean you know, even if, even if he did think there

few movies or six movies or nine movies read it like. You cannot predict something like that, so that the power of entering the power of star wars and entering that world. You know it it. It really doesn't matter and in some is what any of us say it sort of its own thing that so many people invest in certainly not least of which the fence- and I just think it's really great- to hear anything. It's really great, especially for young contact creators, are where young or old it doesn't matter, but just the idea that you know the processes what's important, being flexible is sounds like is the most important thing being able to sort of bee structure. But flexible in the moment, because you never know, what's that, I think, are those goddamn. Did this in an in depth does not matter what it is always the same thing but but to be open to the better idea at every stage. Just because a bit I mean

and the thing I realize early onto in it being my first thing that it be stupid for me too, to pretend like it wasn't my fault, thing, and I really love that we found awesome collaborators and every position and I'd. Never. Wanted to tell anyone this I mean there are some things, certainly when you're envisioning, something something that you like very clearly like. I really want to be that way. That had to be so great an inch. How do we navigate things to get it to be that way, but there are also some things where I note what I to feel like. I know this much about it. I really want to listen to what you had to say. My designer or my cinematography, whatever, because, if you're just telling everyone what to do thing will only be as good as what you can come up with. But if you listen to other people, it has a chance of being much better than what you're one mine can. Can think up so that the whole time

and in trying to be egoists about things, because, ultimately, like every genius thing that J J said then he will one with that. Then he would like regret at the fact that I often had to like convict like some of some of working Him was missing and no out we need to do that thing. You said the things that is always do that But all I remember things about working with you is that all of us, in whatever room it, was editing room, visual effects, review. You know something that in Rwanda nobody but eat, but it was. You are open. To the better idea and and you knew, as I think one must, that it doesn't always come yeah yeah I come from the person, who's been Billy, focusing on that thing or the person gotta life perspective. That's not yours at all. Who says what what wouldn't she think feel this case of of you know Michel's is a female character who you know. I know this sounds obvious, but having people like Linsey Weber,

to fight for what she thought. Michel. You know. Should should not be about and what sort of story we changed. Some fun mental ideas about kind of where she came from and where she was going again of the movie, partly because we wanted to build her up, and so when she had amazing ideas, as did other people, but I just love the process was about. You know pink, being comfortable unsafe to throw out ideas, good or bad, and let them you know we have this thing working on. Alien back in the day where we would say let suffer second, which is like Adele. Ok, you talk about it in the worst way and to say you know, there's a pitch in and if some words they will come on. That's no getting laws, and let us talk about it for second cause. That's a great the version that sucks one you know actually has a chance in actually might develop into something that proves itself to be very powerful.

We're about to happen, and that is the one thing that I have a very and was shortly stomach ever get that angry, but things that I have as our time with their women People like laugh at ideas or get dismissive about things are judged things, because everything sounds really silly when your first saying that everything, but things can sound, really sometimes those things even mean and things that, would say I mean there was there's an army specific there's, a cool moment that someone throughout one of our reviews and it was really silly idea when they first there was a weight and actual be awesome. We should definitely do that in our end, so yeah it's it's really do need to let it thing suck four seconds.

Always explore every everything's worth exploring new means that a moment were jungle and turns into a gods. Illustrator v I mean I thought that I didn't mean it. That way I mean to get away. I think I think I think when you get when you are faced with those moments, I think the most important thing you can do is go okay. Well, how could we make it work? Develop? We focus aloud. I focus not on this path cast about like asked, good questions of all these things. If they seem ridiculous, how could they work cause, then, if you still can't come up with an answer, the maybe wouldn't work, but maybe someone has something that collapsed. We will create something better than anything yeah. Really, I think I think asking the questions is the most import. I'm not saying I do it now. Yes, what I would like that's what I'd like to do here. So I guess this is work. I mean we're about wrapping up this. Is it sad himself However, should we come back every every star wars?

but instead of a lot of entails is your brain and any one moment just in nine different directions? How do you focus no, I mean there are times when it it's there, if you fires that are being put out at one time, but typically anathema just an eighty de thing, from turning a bug into a future account of its good and good or bad buttoned up, I'm able be present in the room. I mean you know, even though the next room will be a different path ass if in store it. If you don't have we have a MAC merrily at least not have em. Europe must feel this amiable prepping editing of butter things once yeah, but but I also I like you, I mean there might be peripheral parts of my brain that are forming things that I know I will have to address. But I am

usually pretty good at like this- is what I'm doing right now, and this is what is important, and this is what I can focus on and then I'll deal with that other shit later and if I don't get too Dave and now, in view of that, when I can deal with it, isn't like not putting too much pressure, you everything you think, I'm I'm learning is just to say no to certain things that do not get involved in turn things because its it. It's easy to distract yourself with so many different things and suddenly giving the best yourself to any of them and also when you have kids and a wife, and you know or husband, and you, like you, have a life that needs to be more than just distraction in that's. It can be dangerous to do. Be into many writing hunting or can get addicted to the like the ideation process, because you get you get that rush of adrenalin, sounds amazing, you know, but the then I think, there's a separate skill set with maintenance like maintaining thing seeing them through that's an unsettled press

true, however, that the reason that the other side of that, I guess a little bit, as is the reason I wanted to try and have a production company was for this reason, We would not be sitting here if there was Some of that and this idea that that came to us that we got excited we are talking about? This was long before then was involved was one situations and- and you have to kind of you now now exactly one to say. Yes, what to say now, but you have to try and figure out like what's your gut, that's the only kind of litmus test you gotta think and the fact were Senor Torreon, with his mood, which I am proud to be associated with. I think then it is an extraordinary job with that came out of the desire to have people like Lindsey Weber, who works here. Who is able to show that. So while I was off, you know, working on something else, He was able to make part of her data. But she's got her own. You know array of things developing in producing this movie which, by what she did

with a new born and then you know I was in New York Since I mean she was juggling a million things once we all are in some level, but finding the right people, share similar. You excite ability about about certain thanks who are really good at what they do, the you'd only to micromanage it it helps. You know I couldn't ever have I'll, be here. If I didn't have the people who work in this company, but there you mean you do also have to take credit for being able to attract good quality people who want to be anything. Would you say gothic, he is a mentor when she was a heavy one of your meant. It's very weird. You even say that, because the have told the story before but but quickly when I was sixteen Cathy can be called met, Reeves and and me to ask if we would. Prepare these eight millimeter fell Stephen. Maybe he was a kid and it happened because we were not festival and she ran about recently Ellie Times, and so we for said. Yes, we did the repair,

In ten years later, I got to meet Stephen Germans risky, and I when in for meeting. Actually it was about Roger rabbits. Equal, I will Why would you like a little just gloss over that's what was that just real quick? What was there was that fourthly, I should even have some story boards for Roger Rabbit, Wi Fi, your guy gets a whole thing no I I'm sorry I know now. I do want to hear the rest to carry out. Research can just give us a minute version of what the sequel of Roger Rabbit was most debate. First, if you do your best, what rabbit was please I'm Amy do that. I heard it said regarding hungry, they well tat behavior. I wouldn't that last time was set.

Honestly that it was, we never really even got to that phase. We were running an outline and adjust it. Just honestly, it went away before was anything. This is. This is a long time ago was. Theirs is mecca involvement with that to or not if I had been a producer on- but this was this was nineteen, eighty nine. This was about twenty years before the internet was born, so in any that we're at that meeting- and it was- on that. I met Stephen added at the end of the meeting. I said you know. Mister Spielberg need to say that for years Oh Mary is not any stop many doesnt know. I know you repaired the movies that I made and he like new. And then he said- and I will never forget this I did not understand it at all and frankly, I still don't quite understand it, but he said that moment. Cathy Kennedy says that you're her protegee and I like what, the hell like it was the weirdest thing I mean I I didn't who the hell knows in any event

Lily thirty years later- that she called to ask if I've should work, I start, as an end, so she has been as a movie goer However, an idle and inspiration in when icon and personally she's been someone that watching how she deals with all of her projects and her two kids, you know and being in a marriage with this amazing powerhouse producer, Frank Marshall, like it she's unbelievable. So I dont know how you know. Cathy and whether she feels is whether or not you know, I don't know how you do not look at her as a mentor, no matter who you are issues, an incredible accomplished. Why think? That's it? I think I think an internship is one of the most important things that you can, that you can be a part of it because good mentors, I think when people go bad back to try to does degreaser say: do you know like bad noticing about soon only bad teacher, and so you

you were able to have this amazing group of mentor having Kennedy in and Spielberg in those people, and then you get it there's some of this kind hereditary thing where you get to pass that down to people like Dan and then hopefully some day you will then be able to. So in a weird kind of way: Europe Kind of spiritual, emotional, DNA, hey, really does get passed down, for all these amazing people to people like Dan totally. We I want to ask a question about Roger did. He ask anything average, whereas it deep, I'm sick, if you time another different put things that are going on in focusing which are so good at which I witnessed, but like de Guiche, I struggle with this You allow yourself, if you have multiple things. You know you need to be figuring out weathers.

Movie that you're currently working on or another idea that you have for something or or a tv. Whatever do you use for a light when it was me pops up, you will allow yourself to start thinking about that, or do you say no? This is what I need to vote right now, waiting on the shower when you're driving, whenever do like assigned, tend to be thing that or you just let it happen, and hopefully the idea. Will come when they when they need to come. I dont know how to be prescriptive. Like that and say this is ongoing to split up my time in and grabbed the ideas will comment at nine forty five to re write. I don't owe me nobody like yeah yeah, but it's like there. I often find myself in a meeting on something, and then there will be something that would trigger and it'll have to do that not I'll jot it down or forget it, but but it'll be one of those. You know things that like having multiple things going on but I also know that feeling when there either too, many things or

I've said yes to certain things at aren't. They can't quite will stand the test of time and you get to it We believe this is obviously long process. Any movie is years in the making, and so There are seeds and things it we're talking about. Now that may be in a couple years will actually see the light of day you'd. Never quite now, but I do think that there is a kind of a good, number of things to kind of have going on. Sometimes that good number is zero, because I know the way I finish star wars, not knowing what I was going to do next, Don't know what I'm gonna do a kit. How exciting that is and how good that feels is really the first time since I did Felicity I haven't known on some ok, you are going to see the alias and alien to last and mission and then start reckoning soubrettes it in starting the darkness and in star wars,

from thing to think the thing you know in the interim done. Other tv shows itself. So it's it's I'm thrilled now to get to that, however, I can, but the truth is that you know whatever it. I gave her or opinions open to so many. The medicines are grateful, but you know you had just for the record. This is so damned track unbridgeable This is so his vision, his his you know his debut in his heart and soul. Isn't is totally weird fucking movie that ends up being. I think one of these would have funniest scariest most bizarre genre, bending things. I've ever seen and I could not be proud to have it be about women adoption as it gets a total thrill until I was really fun for me to get too like offer. My opinion and I was always touch when you would. You know

consider them and and and taken, but we also had a great in in house team of that, like the sound mixes amazing, this movies awesome. You know the people who did the sound design on it in a Robin Indian will and rags ragtag amazing work and bear inquiry. Does like what are you a democratic, greater glory said we have to adapt. The music did for this movie is crazy, goodbye, but over, seeing all the visual effects that we did in house all the visual facts. All the mixes run about robot too. I think it was. It was very much like doing a student or independent film vibe, even though it was a major studio release and at first for a lot of people out of yellow, as if this first Robbie naturally threw down the gauntlet on the sound I get, we throw down the gauntlet on the

on directing it and Lindsey excitement measuring it's going. What movies that, unlike fifteen years like all they worked on the net person, worked all my view. That is what that has for me that I've always wanted to tell you know said to me that one day and tell him bite Paul bear is one of my favorite movies of all time. I think whenever people say underwritten movies, net movies never really underrated. It is true that they like anyone like, but that we should talk about enough, but the Paul there, for whatever reason I think it was it was, it was its proximity to two friends or something the backing up today it would probably go as whole areas and an awesome and really unique movie by the holding back It'S- also a young Sherlock Holmes, young Sherlock Holmes. Written by Chris Columbus produced by Steven Spielberg of Berry Levinson and is probably someone else and that I dont know that Europeans make Matthew Robins, probably but the polar Bear produced by J J written by Jason Kingdoms,

parenthood and front lights, amazing and directed by Matt Reefs and sickness origin of these three awesome filmmakers. While went off to different thing, there were. I wish you all the best in the world with it. As I said I mean I know it. I know because you're on the podcast our peoples when a good lose regret, but it is really fucking great in there were genuine moments in the theater where we jumped and- and just the two of us like even just I can imagine what it would be like seeing that with it with a giant group of people to see a movie like that to feel the tension in the theater and everything that happens. But you did such a wonderful job I'm so excited for you and I'm so excited and see where this goes in always I'm always so delighted by how nice you are to me. I it's you know, I don't know it me. Yes, you know you stop it goddamn it now, please you have to just Europe workers out of bed rubber, normally when I've I've, actually I'm excitedly. I love the idea that would be going into another room. They talked a mare and who would be like so

Kyler Randy's, the hero, the moving things guy was the good guy really identify with identical, but you know anything we could ever do for you anything you there are any anyway, and I must thank you. Thank you. So much for change to see you and dad. Thank you again. Let let last chance if you want to tell us what the Roger Rabbits equal Pitshaft, like no kidding I mean this is this. Is Romania has finally that maybe next thing I know but wait now you don't know your next thing, you're no better way than that will never happen again. There were the no all those companies would never cross. I peace, religiously right out again ever wreck it Ralph, I feel, like you know, the video game industry, which is which is a little more national than the than that type of ip, and I think video games there are like or we should change. Are all of our characters because it but getting all of, studios of to credit

Disney and Warner brothers in you know and, and then craze. Yet it really is not so just to two lines, just two lines from the pitch. Remember I swear to God. Oh so long, I don't remember, but it never really got pass. The like early stages of of what, if by just two talkest, even about it at all, was was really exciting. Well, maybe The thing anyway, that people like Dan and I will be talk about now under out of here, when you realise that I didn't have the story Board still of the short film that they want to do before the movie and by the kind of those- and I mean I don't usually hold on to start, we would have it. I didn't think would happen what we are going to have the movie by. They had an idea for the short and I remember going to the animators. They never seen animation bitch before and they took you through re formed. You know and the third, these three giant boards and they would with a stick. They point to one of the the story: words that were packed up onto the the giant board.

And they would perform every frame and for someone who knows animation, you think we'll. Yes, that's what they do. Hadn't. Having ever seen it before, it was under probably entertaining watching these two guys performed a short film. Doing the voices and it was really was our right. Rapid short, like that debate. I really think that always kind of by me out about that movie is like you finish. They go they want, but then you go where they didn't cause the freeway got bill. Not like a real life where I live in a later. There is no tune. Town- and you know now there is a causal guy. Was this. It was about a real thing like it was. It will try to think Chinatown exactly, but about that, but I was much more is about not having seen it later on in life was so much work. Here is about that story that conflict and I was about the water thing in general,. The media. When recently, I have also asked you because we're locals. I guess I'll, give you that if you every, if you get a chance because

I am listened to you very positive and it goes is one of my favorite quota the entire run apart as it goes job You do yeah. Really, my god really is badly. You guess what they re here Elaine is thereby then comes out it's out, so you should go see. It goes support. Good movies, go support. What are you owing to its genre wise, are you saying it suspend its attitude as if it was the time and effort, Hitchcock he'd be calling it a suspense picture, as you wanna know, suspense mystery, suspense thrill ride, John Goodman amazing Mary Louise with instead amazing and John Jago, Jean Valjean Junior, also fantastic ass. You ve done a great job and now, and everyone should go see it. That's it awesome. Words. Thank you just now, leaving noticed

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