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Let's sneaking out of that office for a minute, let's get in there, so you can meet. Q. John is also, here is my little pony friendship is magic as discord. What's the big deal, because, first of all its a good show in second of all, he made a whole documentary about it. In entire documentary about the Abronia phenomenon called Brody's, extremely unexpected adult fans, my little pony it is on Netflix. We talk about it cover all the basis here with General Ante in a bunch, the a bunch of bases, the union, nor were there, but you will know after you listen to the nurse pike. If there were five or six with John DOE Nancy now entering nearest a com

it's alive rule whereby it is we're working on dampening some of the sound That really is a regular brain, somehow minimize Katy. What do I care and got some stuff she's regularly She's gonna run the floor. We also have a real good sound in here man really good. When we jams arrest, jammer tunes,

It is delightful to have you on the pod cast. Thank you. Thank you. We're huge bands of yours for many things, but then you all you do a lot of stuff and we will come to get enough of it. But first of all I adore you on breaking bad I hosted the after show for breaking bad and so I wiped over this, Senator yeah well with their with AMC Data show like the last eight episodes. There was a post rapture that sort of like talked about it. Basically. Council people see the end of breaking bad breath castle nervous. I watched every episode in great detail and, if you're amazing on that, natural rather writing is amazing. What it's like they just handed. Those words. Do it a dull non, talented actor in wouldn't have done any good, but that was such an incredible. I mean when people talk about storylines in breaking bad

you and Jane Herb, like two of the biggest things that always come up and people talk about it. I've heard in, sting encounters with twenty, five year old type. Each range. Kids who look at me, though? Who recognize me then look me very sort of obliquely, their heads or down there looking up and they go a yellow man. I I guess I kind of now know what my parents are going through. Oh yeah, so their parents also caused and air traffic control the hour. But you know you can't go why this is the power of television and for this kid to understand that his mother or father was going through the agony that the character I was playing, that was going through, because his daughter was a drug addict

was really sort of a major epiphany for this kid. Aren't these these? These kids will thus do a little many talking bad because we didn't get it. We didn't. We didn't for some reason. Or do you during the run of the show. So what was at work point: did he did that character? Just give up? Do you think, do you think he was always sort of resign like it's, never gonna get better. Was he ever hopeful, or was you know at what point just give up was at her death or before our He never gave up. I mean he beat you have done so I have to talk about ever get me. Ok. Now I never gave up on it was my daughter, it's my daughter. She has a problem, Why you saw me so every night going with her too? who rehab and in areas other than the meetings and stuff like that? Never ever ever ever gave up and then, of course, she dies and capital

emotional about it. But it's it's and then I think his world simply just he just fell into empty space, I mean they sent. You know within the context of the show they were saying like. Oh, he went back to work too soon. You know, but I kind of thought, while he was never really going to be ok, going back to work like that, pretty much was it for that guy, I mean you could say that I mean some people recover mean everybody in a wood recovers in a way unless those who don't, but I never thought of it as being somebody who could not recover it. It was possibly to early to go back and certainly the when we were doing the the air traffic control Sup. I said you know, I need to hear what these guys I'm like, and so they gave me tapes of them. I am never

I've never heard people talk so quickly, and so almost you can't figure out what they're saying on a vital area, because I mean it's like a like other itself, so I, like What of a drone- and I begin going- that's really interesting- this sort of a drone he's looking into and it's really easy for him to do and charge. Begin to slip away now allow because these are the right you're already starting at this one year already starting in there and you, you know, and you keep a lot of things. You know you have to keep on playing and one altitude. The other place he's calling it in at whatever it was mixing up the name of his daughter with the name of them Jane and Jane. It's mean becoming all becoming a big it's all merging together for him. Yes did you did they do they have given you the arc of when you first came in or did you discovered along they I discovered tat. Now I didn't know

and how did you feel when you first round? You know we don't have most actors are looking at it from their small position, We don't have that huge overview. We try to gain it. Kind of understand where we are, but it doesn't necessarily help us play it. So, because you don't want to be commenting, you you want to be in it. And so I I feel that the people around me, the writers, the producers- knew that this had a significance, but I knew to be more attached to the fact that I walk into a room. And I see my daughter in bed with with a drug- oh my god. Oh my god everything that we ve been working for for the last year is down the drain.

That's how I process it here, and you knew when you were on that said that you were very special show it's really unusual, for Television show to be shooting the amount of pages as few pages a day that They were really shooting a lot of fear Two cameras on this on the stuff that I was doing and really taking your time and At first I thought we usually on a tv show you do you. Do it once twice three times if you can start getting into the fourth time? It's because a technical problem, or they really don't like what you're doing and in others there are some problems. So well got into the fourth time. I thought they don't like what I'm doing an epic and so that made me in a self conscious, but then

when I saw no, no, they are working as well. There the video village, the writer, the direct, producer that, let me know the exact that we know everybody is there looking and watching. They now are creating too severe. Seeing enough, I might have Aaron Paul's arm, they got all my content means so much. We like that John. Would you do that again? I'm sure you do you know when you grab his arm of their working as well. In the minutes, that became apparent that everybody was working. You, you kind of blow the sealing off of the scene, and you into now you, the wonderful wonderfulness of creating, and that doesn't happen very Were you able to You able to rub off

the emotional residue of the day or do you take it home with you when you, when you finish you, don't really. I mean everybody's different, but I dont really take it home that the biggest problem is that in I don't have to. I have I have children, my own, so sub tooting Jane for one of my sons, is not difficult. The problem is that your bob, doesn't know that that you're doing a little mine game right, you're Bobby thinks that you are in mourning and so days. Exact and become exhausting you, but but my mind new. For we. I wasn't really in that place. But your brain definitely has to do ass to like

the car of your body. Yeah, I mean it's sort of depressing. I mean I always. I think I am I'm so empathic with people in the south. That I just absorb whatever emotions are feeling absorb. Whenever motions are taken home and I can't I can't- do not have the ability to just switch things on and off and being a dramatic actor. To me it sounds horrible because I just feel like. I would be stuck with this. Backlog of emotions that I would then have to get therapy for Big things that happen before, while you know what's farmers, especially when you play a role that goes on for a long period of time, go for me and most of them since instances it was plays, and things like that. You do begin to assume some of the characteristics of the character. So it when I play. Lord Byron, he was

I thought of him as being a men. She sort of you know wonderfully what wonderful guy! played ten men Superman, just he was so cutting in his in his the way in which he put words together, and it was so so wonderfully and affirm? It was everything I wish. I could how I could speak, and so I felt like I kind of got a little smarter playing now year, you started television, I mean you did your thier backwards here, but you start doing television like in the seventies right the I did I did. I read that you are actually made more than one appearance on the six million dollar man you he might forever. Every young boys favorite show another remedy erika the six billion yeah. So what was that did you had you? I know

Philadelphia did you just move out to LOS Angeles? Have you been in New York than you then come to LOS Angeles, for I had gone the drama schooling in in New York, and and I went to burn out drama school. I went to American Shakespeare Festival, did. A season there and then I went back into New York, fully expecting to stay in New York, and I did two or three hours friends- and I was very fortunate to get and one of them was this completely unexpected. Thing, which was, would you like too heavy a contract player and universal, which was, I remember, contract places as it can Humphrey Bogart like we're out and then you basically studio owns you and you live on, that they Lydia Housing and they were still in the seventies yeah. I was there for the last two years of contract and

I have to say I had never really aspired to certainly the six million dollar man, I know and dreams. That's that's what he's worth six million dollars and bought. What was wonderful about the contracts system was this that I think I did close to forty shows into a world which is unheard up now. You just can't do that and I was so raw endeavour, through the with a cowboy of vinegar, spell Congrats themselves somebody's house made, so it was great, I can't say that I enjoyed it,

was so. I went back to the theater, I mean after two years I went back. I went up the Seattle and I went back into the theatre that that sort of the that sort of on paying your dues. Time where you're just sort of at the mercy of like you know, you're gonna work, you're gonna, do it as much as possible, because this is this- is just how begins? This? Is this: these are the skills that you're gonna learn that I'll be right and also there, the things that are being offered to you. Mean you know you it would. I think of myself is being so clear about my talents that I could say: I will only do Bartleby Jones, Barnaby Nordmann. You know movies or something like I just didn't. I didn't feel confident enough, so I did what was in front of me And then I then I went back into the theater and then

I had this sort of a penny which was as that so many people in the theater I been in three different. Acting companies at all twenty years ahead of me, which is something that I always tend to look at. What what people doing twenty years ahead of me and I still do, as a time machine as a way to see to that, We worked for that person. Maybe that would work for me or that really doesn't work is that they were having real financial problems and they had that this, birds, Peter was six hundred always weak and and it's still six hundred dollars. So in our once who wanted to have kids and end up in a car that actually worked I'll, never forget it. A guy showed up late for rehearsal, which is almost richest. You just don't do something, and It wasn't his fault, but she was an

a little bit about cars. She was so angry because here he was use of forty five year old actor. I was twenty five years and his car had broken down for the umpteenth time and he couldn't pay for an anxious thought surely there must be a way to kind of combine these two things where you have a commercial career and an autistic career Will we get and its end Hopefully at some point they stay they slow they in other places. Merge and merge, and of another sudden you have a career that sustains you right and that, and that a mean- and the thing is with with acting, is that is that for the most part, you're jobs, never last more than a couple of days, oreo of a couple of months, every once in a while, you might get if you work on a television show, you might series and stuff like that? But for the most part We don't have that underpinning. So

We are truly free lance and we are truly self contractors, and so you know there's a lot of things that would you have to understand in that process? Is you completely have to turn around the notion about how you if your life, when you are making money, is when you save it. Do not spend money when you are making it worse completely contrary to the way in which the rest of the world operates, Yes, the rest of the world for very saving them. That is that there is a wonderful bit of advice for anyone, because I think you know we like such, we live parasites most of the time words like others, more man, I'm not I'm eating rainy right and then, when that's done, you're done do acknowledge, is gonna, wait until someone else comes along, but but saving when you're making money is such a simple. Genius idea that I guarantee most people never even think of right and act. There is a lot of other people. You know, I always think of I used to think of it.

Like on an otherwise I'll tell you where I pick this up, as is when I was doing ombudsman, I played almond sin and Terranova, and so I was able to look at the way in which he ended up going to the south pole. But have you any did a lot of stuff out loud of you know in cash of food and dropping of a hundred miles down down trail and then coming back and then going to uttered miles and before I became going would be a really good way to operate. Financial show the same thing with with you know, if you think of yourself on em, flow, while doing well but- and you know, maybe that other ice flow it, which is the next job, is right. Next to you, you can have from one to the other, but sooner or later those ice floes are gonna be far apart and that's really cool, the dark water there

That's where most people perished, most people in our industry, parish there because they cannot, they have not. They have not put together enough They have not saved enough to be able to get from one side to the other way of the guys drive around town and like the eighty, seven Porsche they bought when they got that screenplay sold and well, there still derive any life right right. That's why I think it's funny to see that you know some people's successor frozen in the period of time. You not like you could see like other guy that has the clam shaped House like a peaked in seventy eight had what plans were reared but but it's a really it's a really fantastic idea to take a smart. I need take desperation out of the equation, because there will be periods where you're, not where it's not

coming in is easily so to take out. That's got so you not necessarily forced to take the eye have to survive. So I can, you know, get to work and eat dies right but you can with a little bit of planning. You note to some degree prevent that's how to some degree and then there's still in the way it works, which is not which has, for the most part In a word, we are in a business, I'm in a business that staying Extra hours of the day. Getting up earlier. We will all the things that that usually make four for success in regular businesses do not apply, they just not apply so you. What can you kind of concern What can you kind of organised in such a way as to give yourself as much longevity is possible? so when it's not like we're not going talk about STAR Trek when

came along at you previously been a fan of the series, or did you know any of her to you? Was it just like all? This is just a tv job, and you know I mean. It was it was essentially tv job. I knew, I got a call from my agent who said I have an audition for you, it's four star trek I went, but they are. Did start her and she said well add another doing it again and its before it must be. A typo is just a letter, Q And- and I said well- I am- I mean rehearsals right now and she's a while you're audition. Is it but every time it was I but I'm in rehearsals down for taper em and In any case I didn't go, I didn't go to that. Audition

because I was in mean I was playing a really major part and b they just they don't let you out to Russia often do and I didn't go week later, she called can she said you know a pretty. You didn't go to that audition. I said no, I I'm I'm I'm in rehearsals. She said well What is your lunch hour? Maybe I can get them to see. You are on your lunch hour there, play producer. He keeps asking for you so set ups next day I went there and my lunch I went in I knocked off, he walked out and a guy came out out of the room with me and he put his hand on my shoulder and he was a big guy and he said you'd make. My word sounds better than they are I said what you must be. The writer. Said, I'm gene Rapenburg, I'd know it

that was nice to meet you Jeanne, Adam, twelve and and then I think we're gonna be seeing you and I was like nice idea, and So I'm now rushing to the door because I have to get back to rear and there's another guy who stopped me, and he says, I'm producer that has been calling for you, and this is a pay back. What are you talking about? Six? years ago. I was flat on my back in a hospital with quadruple bypass operation and you made me laugh when I thought, we're going to die and that I was on a. I was also opera and I put it is very wacky, very funny character in a soap, opera and He said they're gonna use ie. I said how great

how I am asking for the first time. Well, when is this and gave me the dates, and I said: oh you know I'm really sorry I I can't do it. I'm I'm enough. I'm doing play we're going to go to Japan and goes well. I think that you should get that play because this is gonna be really important and I said, look. You want me to start in six weeks what, if something, what and I do that? What, if another job came in. It was actually better near her job. So what nice was a come to you and say guess what I'm out of your job. Taking that I can't do that. I just can't do it, it's just not right, so they game playing this dance. The agents in the producer saying: when could we could we we want to hire him for a month. But we will hire him for two weeks. And will do all the stuff in the last two weeks, but he has to be back on Monday whenever the eighty

and now I'm saying on Monday, the eighteenth, what what it's? What am I doing on the seventeenth and where am I I was in Tokyo doing a show on Sunday afternoon, that was on that Sunday and another seventy drinking I said I went well. That's that's it. That's that's! That's the end and my wife, no no international deadline. So you made a by a day. I made it by it, I loved, by the way, how tv for respect for theatre, what's between the age of the producers cancel their right. Is you your friend how? This is why I am committed to an end and honestly, perhaps to you for not going about the play.

Like pretty for saying. No, I'm, not I'm a theatre per. I was committed to this, and I have lobby was a real job. You isn't, it wasn't like of equity way protecting. It was a real re, it was real job and I was really committed to it. Yes, I couldn't I couldn't do it so it was all very. Let me I guess the point of my stories as is that how utterly caprices the whole thing was that it could have so easily gone another one, and also you never know. You know. I'm sure you're, doing a soap opera, the time going at work. What's this gonna, we do not realise that there's a guy in a half hour I'll catch you later to basic. Appear in eight episodes of a seven seriously season show an one of the most memorable characters in that seven years, but you know you don't know so when you, when you, when you got onto the projects Did you immediately

I mean. Obviously they knew they wanted you for that. So they did. They write to your strength, or did you work with them, or did you just say one other take a pages and do whatever now I mean, I auditioned. I knew what the material was. I was also playing almonds and at the time who was a bigger than life guy, So I had all of that kind of part of me up and running. I mean it could have been very different if I had been playing the character from breaking bad, I mean you know, who's sort of shall shot, here's a bummer, they see that's so so I had all of that up and running. I crept all my son obviously like all of us do before arriving and then and then it was off you go and for me it was, it was only intended. I think they are we thought it was going to be, and certainly I only thought I was going

be a one shot. But and he pointed they say. Maybe we spend this off into I always wanted to know more about that character. I was one of the only you you'd love a continuous crazy when you think about but then, like I mean you forget, he also introduce the Borg to the federation and the secondary don't worry about it. I know I shall with friends like that needs at exactly where you are helping them. You are preparing them for what was good. That's that's right! You're gonna get their coming back to earth I mean is. It is pretty astonishing to think that eight episodes constitute you know, maybe just a couple more. Of work out of seven years, that really I mean I remember him when the Erika was on the podcast talking about Python, and he was like means concept, who did such a small period of my life and then

Thing you know is something that I just lasted for years, and people always want to talk about this when it was like put to me, I reach this stuff on. It was very brief and then that was in and then I moved on and then it's you know yeah it. The tomato that sticks on the wall. End, and you have kind of embrace it, I'm sure that in some instances which I'm not generally, aware of them, I know is out there, it's it's. It's held me back but for the most part it's been strong, narrowly positive and its given. Opportunities that I would not have happened. The wet year You also do a lot of ways over work as well, which is I do that too, and it's the, it is job the outer world. We

dress the way we are executive or doing it right now, we're doing it right now. We should vote today on the heels of how I met your mother finale, which was to someone said he was in all good things. It was, I think, the most satisfying of all the finale over the fanatics yet which we watched and the last show that we arrive. We did this now a rude watch, episodes of STAR Trek and talk over them and make one of them a man's life, and that will tell you everything I mean I love next generation Matt lived next generation. I was lonely. Child My first experience of talking over a movie was when I went to camp. I was ten years old out. It was a two month camp up and then in them in two months, yeah she's up in New Hampshire, says the good years Dick, and we only had one. Movie

about your own every Saturday night, so the first two or three times you know we watched it owed to dutifully watched it, but of course, by like the union area So all the ten year in all the little kids were in front and in all the way back to the seniors, those those loans was old man. Fourteen your bags of hormones in the back, that's right. They are calling out, give no just the is perhaps that most fun it's the most fun. I was a movie it it I think it was the Eddie. Do Djinns story, kids, love it up. Everybody was it's ridiculous goods on the ridiculous joys, but we we love it. Let's grab did you feel like

Did you enjoy growing up in a period of time? You grew up in or do you think you'd love to grow up now I mean, in other words you guys real, just a hearing that one movie two months every Saturday night like it, was really pretty much just had your imagination and outside, and that was pretty much it do for further, or do you think it before now to the other. Strike at all the time with technology, You know I actually what about it. I tell you what, where I began, understanding that there was some there were some issues, and that is that I went to my thumb. Few. Others is fifteen years ago we have. Fifteen years ago I went my nephews graduation from a big high school up in Seattle, and they had You know it's high school, like three thousand kids and they had a

video montage of every year, and it struck me that Ninety percent of the music was my music, I mean when I was growing up. That made me began to think what is happening. Yes. It is. They're using Isn't there using the music from my period, because it it holds more emotional weight and therefore or they ve connected more with it or what is it I have to sons, twenty nine year old, twenty six year old and I think that growing up in a much more difficult time than when I also I really loved the sixties to the extent that

kid you really felt that you were involved in a political movement that was really important and it was it. If it had a lot of everything, had a vibrant to it. I don't know, if that's the case right now so, So in a way I'm happy, I went to Woodston I I was at Kent State University wherever that took place So I was a two rather major out of events in in that period of time, the Sixtys and Seventys. So I'm happy with where I, where I

hit the grandmothers Woodstock like on the ground level. I think just because we I mean it was awful miserable pleasurable. You know your way call be soundly take coaches and put it in, and even Shitty Europe like the honour of meeting the best thing about Woodstock Zaireans goods, was the movie you can get around. What's gonna back of a motorcycle at that, do maybe a lot of fun to church all the way across the field to see a man. We swedish think of this very romanticize ideal, Woodstock River, one gets like you know, were wet and we're body, but guys know we're part of some really special, not that you know people are shooting in the mud and whacked out on drugs. It is like to slapped

underneath the W bog Diana there's. No, you don't you don't turn around, because there was no other place. We ve just weren't set up for four for anything and everybody the other be more in the car, yet it madness, and it was only afterwards there we discovered that we had been something that was an infamous if or famous what everyone is that thing really that can change the world around you really I'm also really interested to hear your father was, and the lowest for the Philadelphia symphony company photo Philharmonic the Philadelphia orchestra

the orchestra and he also ran the Curtis Institute Music, which is a very famous music. Do you play anything not precisely so that part of the pie was taken up, voices instrument, grits I've done a lot of narrations with symphony orchestras. I mean major all them most of the major symphony orchestras in in the U S and Canada, Australia and so and I wrote a lot of pieces sort of symphonic Theatre pieces which tried to mail will try to emerge let's say: Mendelson, Romeo, Mendelson, Midsummer Night's dream readjust, bringing the text back again or or Romeo and Juliet using using the text and also eleven different composers, but then one or the other ones of Bourgeois gentlemen south

I did a lot of things like that. I also wrote a lot of didactic pieces so that an The UN's could understand what it was like to have been the opening night over the right of spring. It really sounds like the theater was the internet. Where were you could just try stuff, as long as you know, a handful of people showed up where you can. You can do that yeah, I'm not What what? What do you want to reiterate the internet? Being you know, if I have idea. I want a mash up a bunch of different things. I can make a video and put in a lot of you can see it in the data feels like that was the, that was the one platform, better term that you could just experts and they all to try this one. I wasn't I mean you be hired to do that, just say in all. Let's all get a hundred. Musicians together and we'll just see what this works. I mean I,

hired by companies to come in and create shows. So it was highly structured deadline, oriented, do type of with the guidelines below hey here's. What we want you to do. We want to take this while they would say we we we want to do the half nor Serenade Mozart's after what you create for us, so I would take a look at whatever there was out there and things like that. We want to do Schumann's first Concerto, you know, then. Sometimes you discover you kind of go. Oh, my God, Clever Schuman wrote, as in other words, a diary bid that they and the letters tween them all. That makes it fantastic, and then there was a father who didn't want his daughter to be going out with with Robert Schuman and so that there is a broad use antagonist there.

And in our so that that's a real story. So so I try to create music. Advance work where, where it would be. We give the audience member a context in which these pieces were were created Procopius. I wouldn't have chosen the cello concerto, but they the the challenge concerto, but it allowed me to go right into what soviet, what what it was like to be a com? composer in soviet Russia. Aware there saying to you, we don't like what you are writing, and We are really serious about which made up yeah be happening a little bit now you might get the right choice, but why is it that you think that way?

that was my mom doesn't classical music. When I was a kid and in our really come and then the older you get going well. I really started it it because the older you when you're younger you just need to be satisfied at a very surface level and the old you get more wisdom. You have a deeper you. Four things are you understand story or what? What what is it? I don't I don't I mean I don't have a ready answer for that other than to say. I think you you you son, clean, become a little more sophisticated in sounds in which your hearing also It's really difficult enough. I think that people should listen to classical music, but not at the exclusion of not listening to pop music. Pop music carries carries your your story. Your generations are each of our generation story is in there. So too do not lie

that is the sort of not be in touch with what's going on, but but I think that as time goes on, one begins to appreciate more and more. Some of the classical music now understand something just go to high school music doesn't mean it's terrific, gummy Mozart, one of the greatest composers at TAT ever were not this pieces are fantastic yeah, some of em were intended as dinner, music and and dinner music. Many people with words what now and if they happened to hear something that they like? We like that little violent thing, you know, could you like that again and they listen for a few minutes and then they go back to talking listening. We have sorted museum fide all of this shore witches. Fortunate, but that's the way it does. I think of you really take classes and like the shittiest artists of all I mean like of any period because I you know,

report. Say: let's go in the old days. You know this. Would things were better in single year? You just remembering the best stuff. That's what survive. There were always crappy, artisan history. You just don't remember I'm because their work right, whither one lad. You only remember the greatest hits exactly exactly so. We really interesting obscure somewhere there, some curriculum- that's like these, these were why they can see the be amazing news or why they considered the eight worth composers of the period. Lorry driver. Thirteen hundred to eighteen hundred next month will be going over the stupidest dinosaurs diplomatic that guy's deal What what was whatever comedy? Did you cuz? Obviously you obviously, there is a you, have the comedy Jean so what s not forget his performers and multiply yeah,

I want, though, to seduce huge Michael Keen way, you say, argue pado from their word about it made me laugh when I was thirteen. What what was the? What was your comedy when you, when you are grown up Even who did, I fear, was terrific. I don't know you know this was sword a little bit before stand up became as popular as it is now, so I dont really I recall that many people, mostly political stuff, I think, but nobody that I can actually recall my comedy as after is mostly in spoofing, going

two days while eyes for a moment. They hired me to be a kidnapping psychopath and I looked at the show which I had never done before, and I again it was not to show that I aspire to do and I went well ok, they want a psychopath or what they need is a comedian, the show, needs some fewer. It just needs to come, So it is like it s, not very sands of the hour glass. So I I fought well, I could beat still kidnap acumen. And I could still be a psycho, but I could just do it with a sense of humour and, and it became extremely popular because it it's sort of gave a little bit of levity. So that's where my purse, snow humor comes from injustice, just sort of like popping balloons.

Do you like playing a guy like that? Has a weird Corker, weird hooker, that strong of a point of view or like playing just a guy like how do you play just a regular guy? I don't. I don't really know it's not particularly interesting to me anyway, people say. While you pay a lot of violence and I go I actually I don't I. Really think of them ass villains? You know you can now they want, but they ve. Never. I never thought of Q, Isabel and now I I don't either, but I mean you know tat taking it to two. Perhaps it absurd level Hitler did not look in the mirror in the morning. A go. How villainous could I be too? He actually thought everything he was doing was the right thing. So so, if you approach it from that point of You you don't really have to villains r r just read a wonderful book which I'm trying

into a play, and I dont know if it's gonna work or not the guy's name who wrote it is Dan Wells and in its it's called. I am not a serial killer guy but this fifteen year old boy whose so bright and so early in aid and so self conscious any lives in this little tiny town? And he, has convinced himself that he, because he reads too much if possible, that he has all of the FBI. Psychological profiling for being a serial killer and into this world comes a real serial killer school in high school and now of pollutants. Forgot. Last wives tell you the story. What we were talking about villains or whether you don't worry there s an end at the end of the book. I don't want to give, but give it up. I'm not actually giving anything away in that is. Is that you

he was a discussion about psychopaths and serial killers you might have you is is the thing is that you can never see them coming. You can ever see them coming so You take that I'd. Maybe that was one of the reasons which I was attracted the book. I thought you pay a villain like audience can't see coming that's really dangerous there Otherwise, if you see somebody, you know you kind of holy shit, man just leaving the room oh yeah sure can so so in any case, that that's why I think I think most actors. Do it that way, although sometimes most meant many right slash, producers. Why have you want things much more black and white shirt which is not as interesting so here, if you're trying to get something made for a play than

It is really just gonna come under money. You have to raise the money to get the rights and then get someone to produce. Everything comes down to money. Yes, because then you have to find a theatre that actually wants to do it and then in open and then when you than than you know, you have to consider that most of the people go to the theatre of fifteen. Above in our so is a sixty year old woman going to want to watch a show about a fifteen year old kid who thinks he's a serial killer and a legitimate question dance on the woman, it depends on the cell all of those things have to be sort of worked out and, there are so many plays and there's some there's so much of everything. That's that's one of the problems that there's just so much of everything. You asked me how I think about where we were sort of on the subjective. Is it easy here now than it was.

Forty years ago. I think not. Because there's so much of everything. What are you gonna do with all his collar Mary Cox, that there? pumping I don't know how many restaurants can we have. You know I mean how many company actors do we need how many at seven in the end, there is thing really act to me, and maybe it's a? U no grass, on the other side of the fence type, the scenario of like, while you could this idea being a contracted player where they just we're gonna pay for two years and you don't even have to think about it? You we're just gonna, tell you to be in stuff and then sort of take. All of the I mean I did I get. The sad heart is that it is that kind of does take the passion out of it in the centre some of you might get a lot

Draw might get a great party might be like. Oh, I gotta be a sky. You know just you two bank teller and runs out into the street, and that's it. You know what, as as a young actor it sort of doesn't matter, because you actually need to spend some time in front of the camera with all that's all. What that means- which mostly it or at least in my case, was. How do you act without rehearsing like there's no there's no rehearse there's! No. All I mean that's was overwhelming. First, there's really no ears. So how do you prepare for that? How do you prepare for the tension? That's involved, especially if you have somebody going I'm sorry, we have

that again, you said was not in its written. Wasn't right in your life- oh my god. Oh my god, oh my god, so it just, that's, ok, your data cause he's nuts to drag damn? You met up what we were talking about brownies before? Yes, your environment, discord the discussion about the abalone documentary met, realizing it John produced. What is the bony recommended that you did you guys? Did you kick started that right, educate, yeah yeah? That's that that is a huge movement and and wasn't until I met, because I you know. I was a cartoon fanatic when I was growing up cyber watched, any animated anything and then courses older. I don't have to be more selective because of time then I went up in Pakistan and gave no, who runs vat, which is one of you know what innovative companies in the world.

He's also one of the smartest people you could ever ever meet, and he said very matter of fact way and he was like. I love my little pony it's great, and I'm a huge fan of it, and so it made me think. Oh maybe there's something I it's or when I was growing up, the pony show was very much it children show, and so, I did I watched I watched a bit of friendship is magic and its great. It's really grades. I really liked it now. I dont know if I would consider myself Abronia, probably not going to address as offence, I mean addresses discordant, go on public, but do you want in private he'll? Do private I'll? Do it funny round for kicks Man, maybe he's the real is running, is risk that he's doing yell. So Yo Honey, two twenty twelve, but I I absolute, I really really really thought the show was was really great. I agree with you, and that's Lauren fast she's. One who

she's the one who took. I think there are three three versions are three chapters as in starting back in the eighties when came to her to do the fourth one, as she explained it to me She was. She had already been a fan is a girl of the ponies, not particularly of the cartoons because a cartoon was really intended to sell merger. So and there's a stigma for in o four animators to get involved in things that have just selling merchandise but she had created a world when she was a little girl that when came to her and said, would you be at all interested in this? Could you a presentation in that of the ten page presentation she gave them. Eight forty pre page presentation which was

so called much more complex and and so this is really up from her outcomes its I like it, because it is Bobby artwork is gorgeous on the right. The innovations really great great honour, and and its and its it's one of those shows, that's really layered, where you can see the top layer like. Oh you know, kids like this and theirs Bottom lair, we're like grown ups, sisters right, there's something there. Suddenly there no idea, you know I did no idea about Doug Vincent's where's, my real in the shop while I've been dug. Benson is also the biggest sooner than we know collectively, but any move and images religious, it's still works, but that people are absolutely obsess domestic, even just the, because I was true. I figure out you don't mind my girlfriend and I were watching it and she was and she was like

If watershed internets all over now and like they are really obsessed with flutter shy and you're gonna. This is crazy, like really deep trench for just about go this character. She spent going. Our someone made my little pony, avatar builder, that you to personalize on deviant art. You can put little stamp on it and created and we both have those tattoo. Was it did? Did you did you make a documentary? Are you just raise the money What happened was that I got a call from my agent. He said you have offered to do which centrally. How, when I didn't find, whenever and so I ask the three questions at actors always ask how much when and I need to see the material and that is that right

So, in any case, they sent me the material. I read- maybe three pages of it now listen with really well written, so I call back as a China suit probably took to three hours a private us like two hours, the private went in an hour or so to record it never to be thought up again. Because it's just you didn't, I just did it. That's that's a bit about three months later. I went down to my computer in my office and I had two or three hundred emails in my inbox And they all said M p. About my little pony,

I'll, never be able to use this address ever again. So I'm reading, I got my little ponies. Our call up to my wife What do you know about my little pony? and she said well you voiced its it. You voiced its it's a cartoon. You voice did about three months ago and an AIDS for little girls asset. These are not little girls at a writing Whilst I call it my agent eyes, and what have you got me into, and this is not some sort of religious thing, there's something because I'm gonna be really upset about any and all I don't know goes what did Romney what is Abronia. I have no idea so that

I just mumbled. The jobs are asking Sylvia John hang so that night, a friend of mine might break off, came over it house who I've known for years and unease. He produces a reality, television and essentially documentaries, and he said we to do a documentary about. As I said, I am not touching those with a ten foot pole I mean what it is like. A petri dish were defined. There's something. I've assesses something. What did this possibly be about t at all I mean I'm just not touching this one. I don't know, I don't know anything about the show. I just did it it's God, and that was the end of it. Up to Vancouver due to work on something and- and some kids came up to me and they You know you could use Allah. I said yeah. What is this?

the capture of discord, I'm saying you don't I do maybe ten or twelve and then experts and comes out- and I say why are you this shows what what is it about the shovel? Oh, it's love the colors, the show we love the animation. We love the fact that its about being a loyal and honest and these nice things that you are that that shows about that and I began to see, connect them as being a little bit. Three million nerdy, but I and soft, but very sweet people and I began to understand them a little bit like early start track I thought. Oh, is not interesting. I really wasn't involved in that that beginning of STAR Trek I was, I was the next year the next generation of STAR Trek,

so I said At the end of two weeks, I had a very positive feeling about. About the guys who were coming after me? Well my foot back in LOS Angeles. He was still kind of turning on this idea. He said, I'm gonna send you some links now. This was just before the just before the last presidential, and so we leave the Airways were polluted with with just really horrible news and I'm not a Fox news person. Fan at all? I think they ve done more to a Europe Woodstock. We understood that's right now. There's a lot of the lot They just done more to kind of destroyed the truth in this country.

Critical thinking? So so, in any case, he said I need for you to take a look at this, so and it was some clips from Fox essentially saying you know, Abronia degradation going this. This is foretold in revelation of that, a bunch of homosexuals who live at home on food stamps and disabilities, so they can watch cartoons at their in their parents basement, and I called immediately acid dammit when we're making this document. We we're gonna, make these are really sweet kid. I don't watch this cartoon, But if they want to watch it an hour for God's sakes, is about, tune about being good in the end and honest and loyal, and that I am working to make fun of them. So he said I said: let's make it and then he's a nice it. But how are we going before it. He said well, I'd like to go on Kickstarter and he said: do you think you can get?

half into a convention. I said yes, I think I can a myth and he said we too cameras six weeks the two months sixty thousand dollars of production costs? I said: if you think that's gonna be enough and he goes out in all its kicks ardor. I dont know I really anything about Kickstarter and I'm gonna. Do it so it s a great great great us do it well, we then we then got in touch with Lauren, fast with terror. Strong who I am hu, I never met and try to explain to them and also was really difficult, because we really know what we do really understand what this was about. We still didn't understand it. But I had a sense that it was something special and Kickstarter opened up and within three weeks or so we ve got three hundred and forty thousand dollars

and one of the things which we were many many many times is something that I'm gonna be. It will show my parent. To let them know that it's ok yeah to this. This is what I am about, let's right, because I have put things a polish on my finger nails does not unravel everything of who I am and what I am and move go into. Some perverted read it in into the world that you think. Well, it's just it's just that it's a it's! It's the rigid part of the culture looking at something that's different and then going will. That must be horrible because that's not. That's not what I do so that's gotta be horrible, right, exact, and so it is important in this charter. Comparison is, I think, is really important to because you never once in awhile issue. Something really sticky. Issue comes along. Myths. Stick is private, adjective issue comes along that

Essentially, creates an ideal like, like you know, almost in the way that I think people might. I think it's for people. Who might find like that's what that's my religion. That's a set of believes that I would like to just subscribe to and align myself with, because it makes me feel like. I want to feel connected to this bigger ideal, theirs, a question that I agree with you and one of the things in which I was just amazed. That is that you at any. Happened to me constantly, you would see in our kid sitting in the corner. I'm I'm gonna paint a picture the kid sitting in a corner. You go out, he's really lonely and he doesn't have any friends and above all, no actually he go upstairs. He turns on Skype. He has friends. In Sri Lanka in Manchester England and such and such they talk a show which is the one thing that pulls together. They then create

tremendous hard work. Songs that, in other words, very creative community and I was amazed I mean I can on being continually amazed. If you see the documentary you one of the things in which I was really concerned about when we were shooting, but not by the way, because we ended up getting much. And we asked for, but we just said well, you know we are going to put what we're just going to work make short all goes on the screen, so, instead of to day once we had six cameras. Might have been more than eight cameras, you're some seven somehow so we just went concentric circles out. We ended up sending a team to Israel team to to to England to Germany and HOLLAND all around the country as we begin two to find. Try to to discover

what this was about. One of the things that people talk to me a lot about is that I got to fathers together and doing a doctor, Entry is not easy. It's really like hurting cats- and you know you have to understand- is that if you have, if you have six or seven cameras rolling. You have six or seven people behind those cameras who have all sorts of different opinions about. What's going on, you yourself in air cameras, pointing in one direction we re in that direction. We should be over here, and you know what what is so this all ends up coming. Aid are all end up taking almost a year to put together and from start to finish by In the end, we were able to capture the Spirit it was so so electric and so. It was for words, but it if it was that we were able to capture the spirit of a group of

four thousand, who felt that they were. Involved in something? I was quite unusual. Also when you consider too is that is that there is not really entertainment. When you consider the the entertainment for a twenty year old has mostly is pretty island entertainment. I watch violent and entertain watch gratuitous. I let entertainment, but I mean I'm not like some prude about ends up at all, but if you have any other part of you was able to talk to people who I did not include in the film but where the military who run drones they slip in in order to three eight, our three eight our ships they slip in two. To the monitor and they say so. What's going on the guy,

is in the house sleeping the wife is doing laundry outside the kids are processing now and then some day, one of those hours, somebody's gonna, say now. Ok, so He he explained to me said how I just need to just, wash my brain out a little bit. So. I would come home and I want you in it in its work. Our track, which was promised a better future, which is what started Was this sort of made here, just make me smile, so I just thought we really need to protect those we need, It shows like that well that that stuff, I think better entertainment is important because I think people don't realize but the reality is essentially shaped by whatever they surrounded

with and, of course, there are a lot of bad things in the world, but there is also a lot of good things in the world, but it's just that the bad things are get to us. Quicker and easier. Because that sells, things right and also, as you said before, this idea of the other not going to walk around with weak only the only time I do. That is when I'm paid no pain, but other people can doesn't mean, No, I don't have to go any further than it's halloween for them. I don't have to get into their sexuality to get into politics to get and anything that stuff, We really become very hipsters about that type of thing and or just plain mean spirit, and so I think that this, documentary and what what happens is that people who have come to my house to watch it among friends who would say

I would invite them to the house. I'd say I want you to know. I want you to see this documentary that I worked on and it comes with a complimentary dinner and and and try to sell them your house for weeks a year and then they then they say it's a nice and so we were walking down to the tv reminiscing so side of it Abronia Romney's brownies then another roaming brown. Whatever Britain, why don't understand shall be really didn't get it? the first would start off by going and then it would be pooled in and then they would be a little bit repair and back and forth and and one of them who is really high up in the world of medicine and what have you she said to me. I it was a revelation for me, because I thought I was gonna watch something move an arc.

Watch somebody else have a transformation, but in point of fact, I ended up having to transfer it really pushed me as to see where my little prejudices are and where, where how I read the book then I'll pay, you my little prejudices this amendment, but anything the pricing and in the press votes and I'm like you and I'm not rude. I love violent fucked up things, but I also think that you know there should be a little bit of a balanced, and I think that you know anything that promotes acceptance. Activity and, like you know, hope, is good and we fuck and media like we really really need it. There's Some startling an inch from our face, I mean like even you know we're

earthquakes and then, if they go to my Google news page, could this be a for shock like? Why would you even put that fucking like that was already in the back of my head somewhere why'd? You have to say it. You know like about hey. You know what a tremor ethnic, maybe we're not gonna die tomorrow. Would that be great, maybe instead of the big when we can always little baby ones and democratic, anything or but it, but but just the idea that you know that so much of our but our armenian pop culture plays the fact that we're scared shitless, because we don't, have any control over anything, so this kind of I think it's really it's. It just is just like you said, with a guy with the drone. It just sort of helps like just scattered, I said all that stuff out a little bit. You can feel ok for a few minutes. Yeah we In a time of fear,. Everything seems to be organised. That way feels like that may not be going away anytime soon. I'm so that

memory is available, needs its own Netflix on Netflix. I hope you have a nice time. It was wonderful to have you here and you it's over I'm being no no you're hitting I've got some years now, since the budget rules was proxies. That's right in my browser. Does the pony defeat? box. So do you we all know is the one that we have yet and so are you here I mean. All the time every day? Well, no, I am. I do a tv show here and met rights and ensure Jonah there, but a case. Together the other projects, and sometimes they can't make it to everyone Madison

fan of yours that he is he's took an hour off of work. There become be man and I met each in. Are you? Are you remember level? The most memorable I said, I said what I like, they say, met track you down had settled. I walk in his like going journalism, you actually door. He was dressed like he had my breakfast. You journeys dress like you and you're, like there's. No answers like check out the robe. What yes so manner here, every day

ready and enjoyment of hops in due to purchase ass, like the cells at the cafe Babylon Lot, though, this is a really old history, as you must have, you must shots that here before you know, I was thinking you when I came here, I was trying to think you can think of what I shot here, I remember, I've shot a fair amount of Oliver lot of Paramount in you went on the first three seasons available. Is it because that was set at that stage? As ages, the original really, as you know, they were the ones who bankrolled star where does he live production? Ass right, there so horny, comparison, the rest of the world doesn't really have a deep history were barely new, and so

you. Don't like this law was built in nineteen nineteen like by favouring the other people have. Everyone does, does have a deep white guy industry. I favour you for call me. I dare you probably out my ethnocentric accidental racism, who else was convention? When was the ninety six that was Leonard there, yeah. I read them that might have been the mega when the Shatner and Leonard be more one or maybe just literally my letter to me. Such a thing like that- are part of the other night phrasing doctor. I've ever met and I was

what an eye he when I when I met him, he gives me I'm achieved by. I thought it was odd, yet enjoyable, who's, the strangers it was the strangers. Hardy, because Nathan Valium it was Nathan's birthday party, but it was they walked in like this are the brakes. Talking to Barbara Streisand like the strangest intellectually went. Parties is a front, birthday party, because question Braun played his dad on castle. And so I was there. I brought the bright eyes, gave him a great, and I kept saying Mccloy, like he's. Probably part of Streisand synergies, like you so no you and all my references hours are outside of her. You shall I go now would be like if you walk in an ELM jobs at a party music. So I think it is every reference I advise the bomb for meat, the fuckers are missing

everyone I've met from from next year. In a lot of them have been on this progress, almost everyone, I think it has been Everyone so nice, one, alas, no I have not had to be cross, Frank snowflakes him he's a great. You would be a great interview. Breaks riot breaks of our on attacker. We ve had door in the bar will weaken I've been friends of willed for obtaining some odd years. We had As regards we had Patrick you had better than the original Patrick that no data we had tat. We need friends of liner Remissness. Marina we haven't had, but I've interviewed her for attack of the and we're tyrannical at the gates there. Maybe it gave him marina. Can you

One of them it was so what does what else do so that was the mega the Mega STAR Trek, one that, while I was one of those like buried there, pitchings them american scientists with big con with like when anymore, I am will engender together as this year. Captain thing- and I was an I went to a lot when I was a kid my mother would take me to a lot of having ever be. No, everyone has Heinz Convention Centre in Boston messages. You know everyone, I wonder if there is, everyone's very patient about the fanaticism too, like as you're gonna? Let her demise housing is all this are on the walls of photography that his shop, it's fucking, beautiful, just as a base photography and enable still I saw, was going between you and per capita is others of us. Now, nobody seems like pretty seems you know he said- ok with it because they just need to sort of seems like oh yeah, but this got me to a place. What can I do said the same as what arrogance? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

though I did since a little bit, there was a little. You know why. People given you in about you know like with Eric, seem like that, but I try to talk about it too much. But but when you have someone on that something that a lot of people know about them. You can't you want to at least grazed the topic, a little short run without harping on too much did we. Too much on STAR Trek. Ok, good, I'm sure he's been through work. We put it amateur chip in the back amounts of iron out over the time, Cisco punch you in face of its not working overriding need. Even did you voyagers regretted that please

Your demands, brain Renault pickers, what you say so excellently raises again. When we talk about that, I don't have asked. I don't. I don't do that, That was what its who is listening to this understand. Yes, for the white people do out waste. We will listen to the package like this people's. Thank you, sir. Is there anything else you want to promote or plug or have people know about it. I'm sailing. Do I sell my voted not a problem. The unfamiliar vacation internet provider occasion here there, at sea. I left him

took me twenty six days to get to the Marquis I went around. The more cases were wrong, and the two motives were about five or six hundred miles away and then and then to Haiti was another, so I was gone for three months gave you can't you then came back No I'm going I'm leaving in in the end of may to go back and pick it up. So I always say about their public is how much room is on the boat wilds of forty. What're, you did arrived the job I've been on the increase If some thought I would go crazy because you're just isolated and the is actually not. That back is essentially a floating more like a city we ourselves like yours

devices, while he actually has passed to actually sale and take responsibility for the journey. How do you not get a little? I got a little redoubt driving across country because I would get on middle. Nowhere do I dropped the milliner aware of that? bring to you yet The thing is: is that is When you are in the middle of the ocean. You are really really far away it as I. It would take. They could get somebody out of a space capsule faster than they could get fine me so so sometimes at two o clock in the morning and I be out there and I look at the water, which is russian by just like there s a few. Get away from me. I'm thinking, while you know want, if I fell over that, that's it. That's that's it! That's it! That's it! That's! Never! There's no recovery! That's it!

so you are all job. That's it that's phobia. I wouldn't like this one crucial and is even just been unlike a huge boat bullet. You think There's no monitoring like the railings or just if you fall over in their nature in the ocean. It's like I haven't. I concur that thing around refer him I grew up in Hawaii and you know that so you don't want to far out on the continent. The current and because there's always stories would like someone when the whole too far out and got caught, and they just good pulled out, to the middle of nowhere, and I had nightmares about that- All the time just being in the middle of the water, will you never did what was not worth it yourself, No, I got kind of criminals and Cairo and like it was like you know, and then you're just like you go, get pushed over two zero words like there's, no more beaches, just

wave slammed against sharp rocks and it is this. The most frightening thing users, you know just the answers are admitted that he was just down the middle of the ocean night out a slight but like it's like that. You want to stuff like even just even have deepened agreement, and I would argue that stuff, like this freaks me out to be swept out. You haven't, I came with a robber movie. I am logic. Is gonna scare me. Do you have any communication devices out all the water that you could? If anything happened, every, but most everybody carries any purpose, which is essentially a beacon that you press, which sends up a thing to the satellite and and says an emergency, but it could be days. Easily days in other. Listen, they can't find a plane. So you know if you, if you fell in the waters by your head, is about the size of a coconut. Do you know

easy? It is or are difficult it is we we we were in at noon When and of seeing a fisher, a fishing buoy which, outside whatever five foot, diameter circumference water, Painted orange thirty, five, forty yards away from us, so at once. I also look. A couple of guys were with matters that I take a look at this. Next guy came up immediately up, the carpet, sought oh yeah, the net, guy? Who is right behind him? We might not! and we never sodding up to now. This thing size huge And painted orange imaginary,

and this big companies learn your crew. There are three, just the three of you guys. Have to you have to make sure you have enough to eat and enough water. You have enough to eat and all that sure that's the thing. That's that most people don't understand? I mean don't read Appreciate it is happening, and I will not say your day started at six in the morning in light of all also in in the part of the world. It's like this, which goes on, it goes on and off like a lights which, at quarter of six it stuck at quarter after six, it's like noon same thing at night, quarter of six everything's cool like right went out there at quarter after sixty two and you'd so you're, starting at six o clock in the morning and you sailing and you get to six o clock at night. Ok,

And it's been a long twelve David, has been a really great day. Well, You have another twelve hours to go. All the same. Things have to continue the boat, continuing to move and what have you so after a while, you get very, very tired, nobody's nobody sleep for more than a few three four hours at a time at the most and so those long journeys become quite wearisome in that respect, but you, and also that they're fine, but you are always you know, so that any problem is huge, starts with one. The problem at its compounding of three or four problems

So what you try to do it so that there is very rarely any tat, a straw, fake thing that takes place without this compounding that takes place beforehand. So you are always checking you're, always tracking were always trying to get just just some sort of warning some interest to make sure that You just ahead of the curve weathers this way its goal of it. This way, I'm talking about actually stop on about. Just now, about you know a little fray of a wire and you didn't pick it up. Be the catastrophic breaking of that right Mass goes down so so you, you are just you're, just checking all the time, you're just checking all the time you do go up on deck, without without your harness, you cannot follow

Even if you, if you fell overboard, the fact that they were might be too much to us on board doesn't mean that we are going to be looking at each other s faces it s like a veto on the ground pulled my hand, gotta Catalina, like it's like it's your book in thirty years, thirty four. Why is there I like those in how easy it can happen? but it also boy what it's. What a training grounds for the rest the life of how to pay attention and how to put out many fires before they become inferno is and how you know be engaged. Well. I hope you up

We come back at you after you get you're gonna, say back, yeah yeah. It's all appeal. I guess I rubbed item park outside for the right of abode, yeah yeah or at least. Of you. I guess maybe this might get in the way. But if you really great, if you, if you did like a little video diary along the way- and just you know just had a record of it- that we really need yeah, yeah, there's a little bit. Actually I let everybody else do it. I just. So I have a few pictures here and there I have you it's sort of a private it was something I wanted to do. Since I was a little boy and so it was about just doing now.

And everybody when I came back, they sort of lived vicariously, because I would write sort of silly crazy, blurb several, but for them part. I really didn't have very much the same way when I came back and I think people were kind of disappointed with. Maybe They mean they wanted it to be. You know when you met God right. I was now I just. I just did something like you: just gotta do and you don't really have to day three. We saw some water a day for rain water, etc. Whilst all right, enjoyable regard you. Now leaving noticed dot com, Are you alright, this episode of the notice podcast has brought you buy stamps dot com go to stamp. Stockholm click on the radio microphone,

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