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worn away. When I ran into account, can you go here? Was the programs like what you know I mean because when you were, you were going out as I? coming in totally, basically and still people Go I wonder how sheen would deal with Rick, I mean it. People ask you all the time, but did you you couldn't have had any concept that walking dead was gonna? Have this kind of indelible mark I mean I think you know the wonderful world walking dead. You know I feel like.

You know that we went when the show came about it was it was its roots, we were so humble, and you know I mean it was so humble and and and and I feel us had had any idea. That being said, there was this like you know I don't wanna be cheesy, but like dislike burning desire to be a part of it, I mean at that point in my life I was going through all kinds of crazy stuff and I was being sued. I had you know I was having sort like financial difficulties and it was. First time, you, I think, had this this this offer to beyond. One of these sort of big procedural you know. Crime shows I meant was at its indication deal which would have been like your money problems are over member. I have I had this audition for walking dead. I just read the script I just you know to sort of the shock of my family and and and and all of you Roma, just sort of said your till I can throw

the ring for this- I can't I can't take anything and at that point my career, I would have taken for everything you know I just love this script so much. It was just one of those perfect jobs that you know, as you got closer closer to it. You know once I met Frank, dare once I met once Andy was cast and even the audition process, so humane and then, like lovely. You know You know they never are and This is one of those jobs. It got better and better and better, and then just had this added bonus of you know people liked it, but we had no idea and we had. We I am overseer when telling me if in viewers watch. This show we're gonna be all right. We're gonna get a second chance. You know to me, and I was doing this movie at the time I just been married, and I did this movie at the time with Woody Harrelson and our member lunch, the lunch is ended and and Woody Harrelson came back. I guess he had read the trader books, you know our minds like five million people were

you showed you does it. What do you know? It's a lot more than a million that's insane and at an end, and that was insane on cable. Specifically at that time you like now everything is on up so much, but that was not common back then even just six short five six years ago, seven years ago gear I mean it was like you know it wasn't a huge vote, a coffin. Picking up for six emphasis. I mean this is gonna, kill you. I remember like aims at the time that was, you know it was like mad men and breaking bad and with Super prestige, television and we kind of like the assholes, you are making a zombie show. But but I remember you know, Frank, and all of a sort of got together and and- and our goal was to you- you, to make something that the mad men and the breaking bad audience would would dig. You know and would be sort of you know transcend the design or a little bit, but I remember you know with with you member you coming on and it was sort of like right

you moderated a panel COMECON in San Diego and end in any knows. Right sort of at the time right after that you know with with with with francs exit now there and it was just sort of like you. You know that, The show was just sort of growing and growing growing, and I can't what it's because it's just like it, nominal, I mean, I always say people say would, you know, never never end, never underestimate the power of that show just sort of growth and growth yeah. But it's such a mean. What an interesting thing in your gut, because a procedural depressed Israel is sort of the blessing in the curse of television. I think, because I think people go god, like you said I ll never have to do anything again, some set for life and then I think, maybe like two or three see people so to go. So this is the thing I get and certainly nothing against anyone who takes those jobs, but I think you know if you want to be

able to do a lot of things. I think that type of me is very, very long term procedural path. Doesn't really allow you to do my eyes, and I knew for me that wasn't wasn't for me and luckily they did the people that you represent me. I think that I knew that that to an end as a hard thing to me, it's a hearty meal for some news. Given ten percent a year shit like, don't go that way. Do this one! That's you know like you're through your hand, the ring this one, but I'm I'm super grateful that I did it and and- and I think that you know throughout that process- which are so in saying that that audition process for walking dead, but I feel like you and then having it sort of go the way that it did? I ino again, I don't wanna be cheap, easy, but I'm just so enormously grateful for that show. I'm so enormously grateful for my time on that show for the friendships that I've made on that show, I'm so grateful to have moved on from it and end to have gotten this unbelievable opportunity to play a character with.

Real, beginning middle an end in these sort of buoys that that that, set in place along his his journey. You know, but but yeah, it's a real thing. And saw no going in hey you're, not gonna last in and to know you're gonna go from from from from ecstasy an actor and and and I opportunity as an actor and and- and I feel like you know- I just I offer- can I owe that show in that and that Cash Amy Lincoln. I owe them so much, I'm I'm, I'm always gonna be indebted to them in and there are always be among my, my greatest friends or even in the business world, not to talking dead you, but because the given that you never were able to come on the show, didn't just didn't really much when you were on the show, but it's just and will decide what this for a quick second climate, the but it is interesting to see where Rick has gone and where she said you can basically said you can't survive in this world. I can survive in this world and now now it has gone through so many different psychotic iterations, I mean do you

give Shane were still alive. Do you think he would have done anything differently. Or do you think you know? Do you think he would be kind of proud of what what Rick is done? I'm a magna bolsheviki I've got three little babies and, unlike the inundate, they got lots. Diapers adviser work, like crazy son, I haven't been able to completely keep up you know, but that being said, I think that you you know. For me. What chain always was was I've. I felt I felt it in a palpable way well we're making the show, I thought he was the first guy to sort of figure out the route. Or lack thereof of this new world and I think it it all started. You know again that not to talking dead you I don't get started with with with with with you know that in that character, Ed, you know who's beating.

Wife, Carol, play by Militia Mcbride the biggest gangster ever ye know that day that you know he's sorted just been told by lorry to try to leave her alone, and then he saw and beat it. He saw him beating his wife and he went over any broke it up ass. He would have been the old world, but then he hid. And then he hit em again and then he hit em again and Frank writing. He he needed to find something there in the beating of this guy and just beat him and be an in that beating, hey, there's no rules out here. I could actually just keep B this guy, as long as there's no there's no police, the right he's gonna come to get me and then I think a couple episode later he sees you know he sees walking in the woods and he's got a gun, train drivers, and then he just ass, the sun see any says you know what like actually in this world. I can do what I want like and I could just handle this now: and just these seeds are being planted- and I think you know then everything got put into overdrive ashamed. I think he really figured out what this new world wasn't. It was gonna die

everyone. I think that's why he had all that sort of like beautiful frustration that he had with Rick in the choices that he was making because he really saw the new world and you could not apply or work, rules to this new world and- and so I think he was ahead of his time- that way, I think it's only logical that that that that that that route It's all come to this same place well in air, and I had this really terrible joke when it when everything was going down with that, could cause then chain up with Andrea in the car and then than there was question about will whose whose baby is isn't it is law is, nor is it Rick's. Baby is a change. Baby and I said, are added for comes at a loss goes Andrea chains come, but it, but, but but the idea that they ve set about Rick accepted like our right. You know logically. This may not be my baby, but this ep did I accept this world, so if Shame really did you know

actually or unintentionally, pass on some spiritual dna to wreck, and I guess Rick we have said many times like all, Rick is embracing the shame leg it has really under it took him longer to realise the more you click on the old worlds, the less and less able it will be to survive this in this and in this new world letter. But if you have died on the show. Then you wouldn't and to be the Punisher and you're so fucking good day, Annette Season, a DARE devil and my wife and I are both like wait to see this guy in his story, but I mean I cannot. Magic? Anyone else in that role did did. Did they offer them? you would you addition for it. Were you aware of it? How did you out of the commission? You know either they had. We talk those I was doing a movie in in in Ireland and I was

as playing a mute and in the end in the movie about you know about your right to demand that they gotta just give me now. It hid see the Fucking Marceau Bore, stand over there right now, walk over here, we're gonna go and others are out of awful. I thought you that really out there for me, I remember it. You know me being sought the asshole. I was. I figure that the only whereas the only American in the movie, you know is Tom, Hollandia Stanley, Weber and Richard Armitage, unknown and great beautiful script and cool story I sort of went into it- saying only women to be able to do this sort of accurately or our I had to be, I had to stop talking, and so I just stopped talking onset offset we're all living together. This little place in Western Ireland so you know, you're staying under the same roof having our meals together. So afterward, you I'd, be silent, all their add at work and we,

be sitting around the same table and here comes like the asshole American who thinks he's fucking. They live in areas like not talking to you and me. I, like writing, notes he making you can order me the same. If you don't owe me like, and it was just so exhausting for everyone, but I remember you, you know about a few. Into it? I finally realise that that that part of the process was being detrimental, you know it was. It was helpful to me, but I feel like overall was becoming detrimental when you have any lives in your lead character in the movie. If you're, not communicating with your director your I would you dive to develop my own language rights in my language was through gestures and through looks into reactions, but he's covering line. So if he doesn't know what I'm doing it again, I because my fucking acting exercise and elegant you're, just shit was getting men. So do you know what I mean in any so I started in and in the whole cast down were t agree that they, like me, better silent than when I started but anyway, that during this whole time a sort of

the Punisher thing kind of came about and dumb. I wasn't really communicating with that. With back home, you know because there's no internet where we were in- and I was just tough. So it was we it was kind of through this, like archaic kind of like, like you know, like through the cave we re sort of going back and forth, hey they're interested in you and in Punisher. So we We made the. I knew there is Yours I think they had seen fury and end my age, represents Charlie Cox. I think that they, these had some there's located in they are there- no one there. It was going on and you know an end and we made a tape. Man, I meant they wanted to see. A tape in the tape was the other. Tables. It was a dude who was taking I think, was hunting with a young guy and the young, I was afraid to shoot the deer and he had to like talking through it. You know is a fake items seen so Tom HOLLAND and I went, and you I had been working with him- Spiderman, audition tapes and others

only by giving and we ve been in Ireland like a mill nowhere forever and then we went to leave. Bro, source to shoot the last bit unleash was like fuckin. I mean it was like the biggest metropolis in the. Well, compared to where we were in Ireland. We are like feeling ourselves, you know like going out and eating french fries and shit and you're in this park, and we shot this that this scene in and then this act or Stanley Weber played the dear who, just like you, I'm watching on grass like an asshole sewing relatives, gotta be around of added, so fucked up so but like that was it takes a tom, and I made this tape in, and that was, that was sort of it and in any I hadn't, seen the show, but I'd seen you know once the new there. The interest and we start dogma. I watched- and I remember, Charlie first monologue and in the first episode of of dared, Evelyn and and the sort of you know the kind of work it is doing in the attention. In the end, the time they let him.

Have to deliver that monologue, and then I saw you know Dinar Frio and I said, ok, shit man I want in on this, like I did their real. Letting the really letting people explore and go for it and be bold and and turning their backs on the audience and it was exactly the kind of tv work I wanted to do. I think it's really nice refunds to hear that you helped there's so much marvels. Emphatical going like you, helped Spiderman become Spiderman. Spiderman helped the Punisher, because it really sweet TAT Tom supersede seems like a super sweet sue. Tom TOMS, the greatest man and- and I saw him sorted go through that. I mean his. His process was a lot longer than mine and he was going through. Should auditioning on tradition in India, we're making tapes in Ireland. I've never really never see it. I come from sports and and and- and I do think, there's allow similarities between you know what what what we do.

Athletics and I was try to take sort of an athletic approached it to the work. You know anything boxing football Spiny thing I've done before. Surely you know acting I've? Never seen in some one with so much drive and so much DIS, when an and so much believers as as Tom, HOLLAND and end he wanted this to in and he made it fucking happen and he did it with grace and with kindness and with work ethic, and you know for me I'm just what you yet. You know I I I remember like you know before scenes he just be seeing their bills I'm fucking Spiderman unhappy that we actually know not now do not have an hour like twelfth century Ireland, but like I would like if I said that I would be so worried that I, like fucking, jinx myself, more labour law is just show and I think it really comes down to the guy he just comes from this wonderful family super close with his brothers with his parents. His parents are great. He just great had on his shoulders and he's equal parts, talented as just a really good genuine.

Kind person and act at I think, he's gonna to do anything he wants in this world and remain like us aside, person at the same time and I just love em. I really love of many They got blew me away. I want to ask you about cause. You said you. Your background of sports. He mentioned boxing mentioned earlier, is what I did not come from a sports background. My dad was a professional or affect counts, but But good can you, but I can ball likeable very well, but that's it vitally John has a pop here: Fucking cutest get down right now, the EU is the cutest pit pup that dog is, kinds of his little ass. I learned but uses response and is it was it all of those things Emmy novel, I'm going to save my life, I mean you know like I grew up. You come from serve a big basketball. My little brother and my Dad play College Bass. Well, my little brother played played cod,

that's what real high level using all american quarterback and in football. I plead for bomb baseball, play college sports. You know boxed agent, INA, look man I come from that world. All my best friends in the world are still the guys that I sort of grew up playing sports with in and when my as for Aunt Shaw- carries provider guy that box with forever you. You know I comfortable. I wasn't good enough to unite, took it probably as far as had taken it, but you really for me when acting came in and and and the way it was sort of introduced me, I was playing college sports, but really wants once that happened, I was done. You know. I found something in order to play at this I am sure you know from your old man's like to play at an elite level. Man, it takes you gotta, fuckin love, it and you gotta work your ass off. N n n near for me once

then came everything else. Just went sort of right out the window. That's that's what I wanted to do it. I knew it. I knew a kind of immediate and I'm super grateful to the person who can showed me that that that that it was for me yeah, but at least but the grating, you, have all this training- and you may not have been a world class fighter on the professional circuit, but know how to do it. So then, when you do when you have to do it, and you have to do this stance in you understand quality behind it and you understand how to hold your, but I mean I I I never got greenow group supernova. Kid and until my thirty that I said I think I'm gonna start exploring fitness, because I don't wanna hit fifty or sixty year and try to figure out how to turn this fuckin. The old ship around and what was so interesting about exploring the prattling, the things that you learn boxing or in the jammer. Whatever are these weird kind of life lessons that you taken to the old and principles. It you taken there and I never would have. No one could ever explain that to me. Just I just had to experience it. I think you're right Ma Am

Ok, I think you can make arguments both ways, because you know no plenty guys myself included, that high school footballs, are the most dangerous thought you know new twenty pound, kids on the field with, like you know, it's like, some guy who, as an impurity, verses some two hundred fifty pounds monster, rejecting the Jim and And- and I think everybody I know who played a real competitive Highschool football has injured. Where am I still to this day? You know the big injuries in my life are from high school football. That being said, I think the sex for? What you are saying is absolutely true. There there's there's no question for me: you know athletics, you know how I it's a mindset. You don't, I think, especially in the theater, where I started. I really looked at acting and theatre, acting, especially as an athletic endeavour and- and you know the way that you practice and and and and discipline, and and and honestly the way you deal with competition and

and make it work for you rather than against you and end dumb. You know I I I I think you know before still to this day I mean people, TOP Tom, he will tell you know before big scenes. You know I'm slapping people, you know me, I'm shaken people like: let's go, you know, and I I you know- and I think that I yield to me- I I think that that's part of it something on the lines on cost, and I'm really grateful for, and I thank you, with boxing especially here you really it's it's just you it's just you and you gotta go forward and and your tariffs, you know, and and and- and I think that you know I I often think that fears just such an unbelievable motivator and and and for me when I'm looking at projects and when I want to do something I mean Frank cast, is sort of a perfect example. You know that part sort of scared, the shit out of me, I'm not just because so many people

care about in its you know his relationships that the military into law enforcement and just the comic book audience and how much they you know it's like if you gonna do that you better fucking do right. You know those guys comic book audiences, not play and and- and I think you know for me: you're being a father and being a husband and and and and knowing that love and knowing what that's like. I knew that you know that wait a sort of understand what it would be like to lose. All that is is, is to know what it means to love into love. People way more than yourself into two happily be willing to give your life for those people an agenda that sort of that that sort of seed of imagination like trying to imagine what that would be like with something there. Really scared me, I knew would take me to write you a super dark places and that scare me, but if I feel that fear, I know that

then I gotta do yet. Well, that's it. So this might be sort of a hippie dippy question, but you just touch upon it and I'm always interested to hear how people approach it. Obviously it's all pretend, but if you're accessing these emotions, like you say, go into dark places real. Is that fear that you mentioned of what? If I hit upon something that I don't really want to feel or face? Or what? If I relate to this too much kind of a scary thing as well exist. I mean but like I think that that that your goal should be to sort of like run as hard as you can towards the fifth did the fear to run as hard as you came ethic. That's true, you know of any artists like run towards the shit that makes you feel and and and fear and in pain and in the union, boy? I think these are all things it in you. No more child are now more didn't. Fuck and he'll. Be Debbie I think, that's what we're trying to I'm fucking combine

what the fuck, I think, I think that, like you know, I think what we're trying to do with with with with art is to try to act. The law sort of nooks and crannies of the of the of the human condition that you can't put an aim to, and you know it there's, this sort of fear that you'd never really experienced before this. This idea. This thought this kernel of an idea that scares shit out of you and an end, and you you you, you change your hey viewer in your in your real life to try to to get to that point. So then you can access that in the five seconds between action and cut, I see run towards at his heart as you can We we operate under this umbrella safety anyway. You know, I mean I'm not really fighting bad guys As you know, one way why did you re was, but I saw you I did it because it's a real, so I mean, I think that if you can, if you can go down that for me, if I can go down that path, a little bit and run towards add, through my imagination or through the certain situations, I get myself in off care.

I think that you know. I think that just part of doing your job right but a better. It's it's so interesting to hear the approach of you. The discipline and the Kazi, even you showed up at night or two in your life. Sorry. I'm late like like two minutes, a study that even count LOS Angeles. I can hear my father, you, mother stupid mother. But where was your margins for air? Where we're you're margin for error? You know, that's is you're dead. As a lawyer, yeah yeah, yeah baby, you know a sort of like a self aiding lawyer. You no doubt an easier blue collar guy groom, Syracuse kind of went that way and and and and sort of worked up and worked up the chain. And then sort of in a way you know he became sorted big lawyer and then he laughed and now he runs the is the chairman of the board and he made so United States always wow with animals full time. That is definitely the category likes animals more than people like us out did you feel I mean was

when he was saying like what the fuck we're debate is a rising yours, you being literacy, that strict was superstratum site even strict. It's just that there are certain things and I mean look I've. I think you know my work ethic and and and discipline and and you're being so. Like a man of your word, I get all that from from from my dad. You know ye took that superciliously. He just you know. I mean I fucked up there we're talking about, day. I was late, but like your brother, I been there but, like you know tee, no, I think you know that was just it will. That was a real really important thing to him and said you are, you know, like you, only get reputation you only get. One word like you, you'll, be there for your friends, stand up in the face of injustice and be focused on time and like beyond time, like its weakness to not be on time and that's a united in this business, especially, I think it's just like it's fuckin inexcusable, you don't

mean an end, and you know I think that it's like what net, never let the things that you can control you know set you back like that's in you control like you, that's the only you only you are in control, and this is such a great point, because so many people go man. I just keep getting fucked over by life in a maybe that's true in some cases, but I think if some are really take a determined. Where did you shoulda work on time? Or would you love minutes later than Emma? It's it's so fucking horrid anyway, I mean it's like things are hard like raising kids work light does matter. This is any business like life is tough, but like take care that shit, that's one hundred sent near control and, like you, it's probably get gonna, be a lot better. You don't owe me year because I think I think people don't realize what even in that, even in this entertainment business, you will probably work forever if you'd just showed up on time being talented and being now

and he s even if on it in a conscious of they don't know exactly why? If you, if you aren't a person of your word and and and follow with the agreements that you make with people, it does stick in the back of their heads and when you shop on time and you're cool the people and your prepared eager like that people it does stick in the back of their heads and when you shop on time and you're cool the people and your prepared eager like that, you know being talented- is a nice bonus, but that oh, I think will ensure that you will continue to work for ever yet may act. I think so imagine I just think it's just you know be being respect for anyone by jasmine, and you- and I know I know, but it's like you know anyway anyway, you not divide, it would never have. I mean what do what's really fascinating about I feel, like I've, already learned something from you which, as you know, is inside, unlike nerves for six seventy. Minutes late. Now, whatever it sort of a you know, I feel like it's kind of you

Angeles, loose schedule that we have, but even just seeing Adam, you are about being returned. My skin crawl may make. It actually makes me go shit. I think I ve not been paying attention to then. I really need to be more aware of this, but look at the same time- and I mean you know I don't want belabour, but at the same time like, I think you also have to not judge like you have to not elected what the other thing I don't use. I alone am motherfucker he's late, which I find a lot of sir, like discipline, because look man if you were to my life overall and if you were to look if, if, like my buddies and my brothers word here, they make Johns Fuckin this We are fighting a mass like leader, I gotta, but I think that in these certain areas you just for me and again this is just what makes me work it's like, I need I needed to be soda like I needed to be run type like like no no fucking around, but if someone I actually admire the purse,

who can show up sort like role in like been out all night been fuckin partying eating the Yosemite food shortage, we're doing this. Are this fucking do like, while man, if I could only but that's it, can't do that forever, though you know, look man, maybe maybe not. I just know that that does not work for me now. I really does not work for me since it boy. You know it's funny that and it's going to season eight. So when I think back to when you are on the showed, like music not long ago, but it was legitimately like seven years ago and since that time you got married and of pro four raided. The burn fall line. You like three kids Republic, every just recently, I haven't been hope. I've been making movies like I'm, not really think my life gets Bragelonne phone sex monetarily. Not there, but literally not there, but yes, yes, we with the three kids three but my first son. I got married five, he's after season, one wrapped

and then my wife gave birth we were shooting season. Two major. I remember I got a call use one of the real you know others or like just great kind p. Priceless or take ways from walking dead is you know I kind of came with stairway colleagues and Andrew Link in who have gone Marriage is great children. Great. Relationships, and so I had this unbelievable model for me, no sort of right of the years where I was I just I have stopped with the world of like fucking up in an end in drinking and arrested and just being sort of like an overall asshole which for some people they sort of hit rock bottom wants and they change. I just kept hidden, the fucker over and over and over again I just couldn't learn and I finally sort it did right before walking dead. It was kind of the gift of all gifts in in a million different ways.

But then I have these models of of marriage and parenthood and how to do in this industry, you know there's no words and I can explain how how it them Norman Melissa, Scott Jeff, but but but but you know, Sir and Andy they just really and their different, but they just do it right and they lead with love and- we first and you I got a call. I we're in our trailer and it was very season two. We shot everything out that Fuckin farmhouse and three mile three miles sort of hike into the woods attitude at the farm. Yet its but unlike we are thing was, I would always get their early on and walk the three miles here and I would sort of walk together through the woods to get there and I remember we sort of getting ready and I got a phone call from my wife and she said my water broke. You know what does that mean and, unlike the rule, eighty water, but what does that mean men using serum exert or what does that mean and fuck

and the answer is that you gotta go. You gotta go and goodwill, we gotta shoe I do, and I remember any justice listen man get your car go the fucking airport I got you like. I will we will shoot scenes with. Just me get out of here like don't wait, just go yokes from annoyed Georgia to Venice, California, without a ticket- that's that's emission attained by that. Is that a measure that is plain series of automobiles Year ban and an end. You know we Bligh blasted out of there. I called my brother. He got me a ticket on a plane. I remember it was. It was the last seat. It was the last He was a middle seat in the very amiable. Do I would if I would have gone under the plane, if you know, but that is the middle seed and I get back there and, as I'm pushing up, I remember I'm working on the island, I remember thinking man, I got sort of five hours or sit here, collect myself, get out the fuckin zombie apocalypse and start really like do you can? dad man? This is happening like I have this time now for myself. When you get

to write me like what a great give and that's all I see this guy he's looking down at his dvd player is looking over me, big giant man he's like shit, is that you like, and I mean that motherfucker from literally from Atlanta the way where I had to fly into to John Wayne Airport. You know me there. Highway he's so he had season want and we're just do behind the scenes, so that seen there was that only there. Let's, the whole thing lands that Daphne right there was not a little. My still they all annexes didn't check. That's us by giving birth did you make in turn by did, I did I made the birth and and and yet in, and then my son kind of grew up. You know he he spent sword the first story. You know half year of his life in georgian That said it was a super super special time. Now that's real

Credible can do do you think you went into fatherhood just as my wife and I are probably we're married a year proudly, but a year away from you know, as as she referred to it, pulling the gully, in other words, to Poland, the fall in the birth control. It takes them. Unattended shouts angle make us imports reference. My only sportsmen and so on. I'm sitting wondering going into it like how yes, are you of our? I don't want to try to take these things that I learned from my parents, but then not those things that I like I could do differently or better just wanted to I mean how conscious was that and then how much when you're actually doing it is like that. Just all goes out the window, a myth, it's all the above man, I mean look, it's the biggest job you're, not into its base job. You ever going to have

the most important job. We had my opinion and I think unfortunately, unfortunately, it's one of those things that, like you're not gonna, do it perfectly you're going to do the best you can and you're gonna you gonna put everything into it, but of human beings and rain you're gonna fuck up- and I think sometimes the more I plan and the more the more I plant watch me father. This pop up get down other way, get good boys. Nicely done her right. She's gotta, keep him nice and higher marijuana. You know. I think that sometimes like them or you plan and the more you sort of make rules for yourself, the less you actually are opening your heart, opening your eyes, the individual child and seeing what they're going through an and look my mom you're, my mom these three boys, you she's a foster mom, they ve had you know dozens and dozens of fast kids through their and and and and I've seen Come in. You know with either. Unbelievably,

rough situations and just showing them love and being open to them. How much they choose and grown in the Alps or to come back to her, and they want her to be a part of their lives and I've. I think my mom is you know this, bear her. But but you know, I think she sort of like this perfect mom. And I think the thing that she would say more than any other. Is you listen open your heart open your eyes to the actual kid, and I think it look man. I struggle with it all the time I want. My two orders are boys. I want them to learn what I've learned, but I do not want them to learn at the waiter. Learn you I mean an end idea. I think it's you. One of those things that you just you gotta, keep on adapting and there's no right way to do it. You gotta make peace with the fact that you're gonna fuck up and my only vice would say it would be and is really acknowledge it. When you do my daddy fucked up and light divorce yourself from this idea of being the perfect parent in May

Your mistakes in mitya shortcomings in emit head this guy could pride, teach you this better than I could you know, and and and being ok. With that, an end you don't, but but but shit man it, sir. It's everything you an end. You don't you're you're, never gonna your now. We're gonna just crush it. I'm either days really do I father the fucker. You know these are also days like they had left the US. You know they got the better of me and and and and like I didn't. I didn't hear that. Well, I got frustrated and again I think it's about being super super honest, I think, but I think just the fact that you're thinking about it and in your and you have a great woman, you know, I think I think, like you guys I think your hearts in the right place and that's like half the bad it is, I think you know being a much older. Dad is older than you are, but a few years and I think that I dont think I would have been a good dad young sir, I was just- I was also a fuck up. Sir, would you would you like, before you can straighten everything,

What do you think you are rebelling against? Where you were you, we behave yourself for we just ate the world. Are you just work? Didn't really think about it. You know you know I had. I did it really really good question and I think that from a young age. I sort of there's no question attention theirs a question that I wanted to sort of shine? I both my brothers are like enormously successful on the middle child, but my little brother fuckin perfect, do you know me like Winter Princeton Like played sports per You know now is a world renowned cancer. Surgeon media is exactly like appeal in hospitals in the NBA Africa and we really goes out of sheer motherfuckers like job roses in furthers feet. Like light like coming to America, I mean but like he's and then my What oh brothers justice, you know enormously successful business man and end here is exuberant. In all this shit and like they're. Just I don't know for me

I always had a real knows fur and, as you can see, it's a completely smashed in I just had a fuckin knows for trouble from from. I really remember at a young age that, like that, was how I was sort of Ghana defined myself better and- and I think you know in the end it help, because I was group, d, c and D C in the Eightys and Ninetys was in an very you very you know rough place in theirs. Kind of walks of life there and I by no means had sort of like a rough upbringing, but I made it rough we sought after I always wanted to be in the most dangerous places with the most dangerous people, and I think that that's how I it. Just that's the road that I went down and from the youngest of it, you no trouble and trouble, ensure I mean serious trouble she's, not my mom like at times, like literally hiding me from the police in early May. I go that's incredible and I would just like- and I just learn my lessons and I was given every break. You don't I

so I have myself to blame for it, but you know and look a lot of the friendships and, and and and and the people that I care about most in this world are all the guys that sort of went through that path with me who Strangely, are all doing really really well like if you went back to DC and you talk to people who, to us when we were young, I mean there was like do these guys. We're like it's not gonna work I personally me like it was not going to work out for me, but you know I think, at the same time. You know I found you know this is this: is this one act each of this woman Alma backer she really She saw something to me that just totally change the course of my life and and and I found something then able to sort a tap into all this energy and all this in a boy It is and insanity in and digging into these parts and myself that, when I dug into them before would only land me in trouble, and all the sun. I was getting approval from it. I was getting respect from it and it was working for me and

enormously indebted to. She was the woman that you know when I sort of get in trouble, and I could finish school, she was the one they told me to move to Moscow in and study acting there, and that's that's why I didn't was the she married, my wife and I was it- was sort of the best she's really like a guard. How do you just move to Moscow and study? Acting? You know man, it was there is there is there? Then there is a program there as part of the the Moscow. Our dear you know, it's like Stanislaus, Geese, theater and check out and I remember you know I wasn't able to finish school. I've been in lots of trouble, you're, ok, Europe preceding Shit and and I went to Her- and I just said you know- hey look I wanted. I want to do this act. I want to be an actor but but to me I don't know any actors. I was so far from that world and- and- and I said you know what's to me- I did think- would be any different being a plumber being a lot. You know how do you? What are the step right? did you know done really work that way, but she said if I were you, you know if I were a young actor in America today, I would go

who are different and try to get into the Moscow Theatre School and go go study over there and I think part of her new she needed to get me away from sort of the people that I was hanging out with in America. But she really believed in this system of you know. Hyper hyper discipline and in a place where there is a real reverence for the arts and and you're in Russia. You know an actor, it's a very masculine profession. It's not you know it's not sort of dislike touchy, feely like hey, we can do no wrong there. It's like you get into that school like they are gonna break you, the fuck down and you'll, do acrobatics and you'll do ballet and if you're not good, you're out, you know it's out until I tell you you're not good and they thought you know your teachers are not people who are sort of. Owing to trying to kind of like make excuse is for their own failings or validate their own sort of shortcomings. The teachers in Russia are like the best of the best of the best of actors. Get the honor to teach and you and I think she is being.

Moscow living there in the late nineteenth and early two thousands it was. It was a wild West man. I think this kid who thought he was this tough street. Smart kid from DC got a rude fuckin awakening of like what real every day in Russia Theatre performs you that's what I heard. That's what I heard I mean it's a great. I've always wanted to go, but I never, but I just didn't I like voyages, an actor. If I hadn't gone it was, it was the best thing I ever did in Russia. Theatre performs you that's what I heard. That's what I heard I mean it's a great I've always wanted to go. But I never, but I just didn't. I like voyages, go to scale and then what then, where? Where do you go? I may I can. I can definitely hook up with that man if you're, if you speak russian use it so I didn't want. I would but then you'd after being also play baseball, Wowzer play pro baseball and russian you. Nobody spoke out a translator in my classes, for for acting, but yeah, you pick it up in an I got. I got pretty good man after after you know you're there. Like I got, I got, I got pretty good, you know it's not really a place where people are super, like you

They know they're not really super down the speaking. That is something we want to make it. Can you help me? That's a whole dashboard camp right I mean so, but here the few in Russia's? Just you know it's a totally different deal. It's it's! It's bigger than movies its bigger than tv. The theatres are packed. Theatre future is not just for sort of rich. People with white hair. You know it's, it's it's for everyone in everyone's dying to get there in the best of the best actors are all in the theater and their pact. Every night, there's no fire codes of people are sitting in the aisles in. To real you during want to give you a history lesson, but during during during communist, I am sure that there is no public gatherings, right and and and and so too do theatre the mosque due to a sort of a state sanctioned, theater and and and they could put on, plays no there's no chargers, no meetings, he can get groups, people together so too do theatre there. It was this huge honour and it had to be state sanctioned

and then once this state sort of realise that some of the things that people were sort of trying to get across in the shows were anti government you know, I'm anticommunist actors and directors and players being assassinated, Meyer Old was shot, his apartment, peep actors were sent to Siberia and people. My teachers you're my three teachers, we're doing a plan underground play colchians honour that still running and they would go the subway stations in the tunnels and people would go in and sneak to go watch this play then they put on and if they had gotten cod, they would been executed or said to Siberia, and they did it anyway, and everyone took that risk because it was so important to them and my teachers when they went to view to them for Afghanistan and one of them as an acting exercise, to get fighting in Afghanistan pretended like he was insane insane asylum for four years and like those of the guys, it taught me- and so she was vital

was like there's so much a fuckin stake in and an end to get it right, and that's really with me. You know, like that's really with me, like I'm, not went out there just sort of like hey. You know this is let's: let's, let's make this paycheck today. Let's do you know, I really want it. I crave that kind of those kinds of state in the work and end damn an end, and there is the cool thing is, is what I found out here is that there are people that are like minded that take this seriously and and and that's those are the people. I won't be fuckin with unity. What did you take away? What did you take away from russian culture that you thought was really beautiful, that that maybe most Americans, when they think of Russia and whatever the russian stereotype, is that's in their head? We know What did you take away from the votes? Easy? It's it's! It's a means, a bunch of things, and I think I think more than anything else is just a complete lack of pretension. You know it is not an end granted. I have not been there. This is ten years ago

even more modest foot, but, like you know, I there's no protection. I'd say: you're gonna have a conversation with someone. It is not that you would strike a conversation with a stranger and at the end of that conversation, one or both of you are in tears. You asked me how their due they are going to tell you how they are doing and what is going on in their life in the arts. You know I mean spread over, there was a guy named deem. I lived in this really shitty part of town car Park, Latorre Goerck Gorky Park, and when I want home every night from the theatre was a group of young girls and be out there drinking sort of like a two leader bottle of vodka. Passing it back and theirs is banned, a Bloodhound gang and they thought I look like one of the guys and blood. So every time I blocked by the new US Can they be blogger, you know, failure has again fuck you guys. Every night was the same shit that one day I saw my friend demon, he was. He was gonna jump by these three skinheads, and I don't know why

there's three them one, a m, so I got into it with him in and I helped amount than demon. I became like super type friends and used to say this guy, who like kind of lived on the street, but he knew single member of the Moscow Theatre. He knew what was play the Bush joy he knew Artistic director was at Molly Theatre. You know, there's just this appreciation and and this this this fascination with the arts and and and and being a russian artists. How much that met and- and I had seen anything like that since America he's an american ballplayer- that's an amount and I really that really struck me. You know on on every street corner, there's a statue of a playwright or a poet or a painter or an act. You know you go on the subways. People are reading book, Alkoven Tolstoy. That was really taken with that. I was really taken with her all this stuff that I kind of looked at growing up is being like kind of weak or laying some of the fucking idiot.

I saw there and an end. It was get ye noted, strength, strike man, strength and an end to be honest and to tell people how you're feeling and be opened into no yourself into work hard and and to have pride it in your work, you know it it. It really reshape the way that I looked at the arts and and look and look, some really brutal shit. I saw like some really really brutal shit and some really crazy shit that went down where you know at first I was like, while this places this place is fucked up, but I think it all kind of men, to the sort of the same thing of this? Just as you know the culturally, was just enormously honest. Is it a big change who I am and I owe being there I owe so much to be. And to honour this woman who sent me now not to get. I don't want you mean, and I want you to incriminate yourself very thing, but young John burnt, all eight o.

Middle kid trying to find his identity, very detrimental kids defined with their identity. Always me a bit what one good crime story, one good John Birth, are committing a crime story, that's not to danger like not to act and to get you in trouble, but just one kind of like look. I should have done all that stuff, but one too, Am I got away with this I mean I mean there's itself rather so many, but me look I'll be totally out of me. I think the big, the big thing it's like plagued me through the big part of my life was what was just served. Issues with with fighting and and and and and with violence and and sort of trying to find myself in in that world and- and you know when I was young- it was always sword like. I wanted to come a role within the Bateson too, kids and veto. We got involved in some some some Syria street fighting, just sort of became a thing with us in and dumb you, I feel like a really carried with me a lot longer than it should have

wasn't. I think this sort of like, via this thing in me that I needed express you. I didn't I didn't come from this like rough and tumble where I needed to get it out, and so I think, a big part of it. I just wanted a kind of be involved until later in life. I think I sort of wanted to know what it was like not to be the guy standing, behind the guy with the guy. I wanted to know what it would be like to be the guy who is in the front you know, and at an end and that land me into seems very, very serious trouble. I was sort of this thing exploration and I think that you know I'm at a time. I will. I know you want to specific story I'll give you my good, but I think that, like with my friends, my group afraid in July. I know it sounds, but I think you are we I'll came up together. We all knew each other, our whole lives and and- and I think that do Was it it's a long story, but I always look at was sort of our way of kind of like Tony each other. We loved each other by like get into these situations in showing each other that we had at each others.

For us, because we sort of went to the school. That was it it's a long story, but I we looked at- it- was sort of our way of kind of like telling each other we loved each other by like get into these. Situations in showing each other that we had at each other's backs and and you're not start but definitely being going to finish it. You know, like those were those with things now, as far as like you know, just I remember as a young age, a shitty cry from crime store at or not, but I am still shit when I was little you all the time- and I remember one time nah, can't mill right words in Washington DC, and you know, we're going still cds. You know it all where these are big. Puffy started codes because we're assholes and I remember all in there- and I just do it was just too so shitty that we did and- and I remember all the cd and ass I was going for the door. One of the cap no employs ran behind the counter and I guess he'd Prestham, The installed. This thing that locked you enter the stores. Are you couldn't get out so we ran over to mean he said. You know,

and he ran over me with a Polaroid. Damn sure you know incident now, I'm like covering my face these chasing me. I was a kid. I was eleven years chasing me around the store trying to take a picture of me, my friends here my rough and tumble further laugh in their asses off you know and that, finally, the invitation than theirs, like a big picture me on the windows had like student from Hell like never allow this funny you're eleven years, stealing a city. This prime makes it like nineteen, eighty seven. What are you stealing debarked? Oh man, I feel like it was probably beastie, but you like licensed. You know I used to probably yet I was right around five zero part again yea, like power of year in and year that stuff nice meeting, you stole a good, see the volcano. Why didn t I did you didn't get outrageous city for the picture that one too everything get away with exact but its. But it's so interesting that to hear you say

I didn't want to be the guy behind the guy, wanted to be the guy and then all these years later, in a way, your manifesting that, with the characters you play specifically Frank Castle, he's not there behind the guy, he is the guy and so it is, it's kind of did the even even when you have this life were you feel a don't, and often, if I can, if I'm going in the right direction, but you still were kind of training in a way for this thing. That would ultimately be such a significant part of your life years later. I think it all goes. To see me and an end again, like you know this. This. I think that you know get goes, goes back to your father heard and it goes back to you. You take all these experiences and look now intimate. I have in my it my real life. I really have found peace like em. You were happy, I'm glad my base van. Like I love my wife, I love being dad. I love where our life love. Where we live. You know I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

just enormously. I'm just happy and contented. There was something never really had again. I think with Frank. You know it's, it's really you dont! Luckily it. I have this sort of well of shit that I went through that again was was impose, I can draw upon I've, been in these situations and seen some stuff that you know get. I really not want my kids to see or go through or but I've gone through it and I can draw upon it, but I think you know the biggest thing me with Frank again: is it is? It is going down this road of what it would be like to lose. This shit, you know lose what you care about most and and and really do that, honestly, you know and and and and and really try to carry that with you and you know, when I go on, I play the part you notes I separate from my family in and it's something again I wish I didn't have to do. I wish that the circumstances were different

Yo, YO, YO, Yo Yo, see man. You are three four months in a row away from your kids. You don't mean it's, it's crazy. What what? What? What that will do, especially Every day, you're you're, you're running towards the darkness you running towards you, you're, not at night clubs or eating chinese food rising movies. You're, like walking by yourself, this ought to stay in it and again. This is only because I dont know. I dont believe myself enough that I could do it the other way. Same thing that I do not share its really what I do for four four for all these parts, and so again I dont think that that kid whose, like down to fight anybody here- a living crazy in and get fucked up all the time. There's no way I was acting back then, but there's no way that guy could do what I'm doing now. Like, I think to me, I want all of that to be channeled into the art. I want all that to be channel that work and

Lincoln, really put it to me best man. I remember he told me, said man, I don't need anything he's like. I dont need to party at only. He said this is my disco, we're on said. He said this is my fuckin disk man. I do it all here. He said everything else is just be with my family and finding peace and resting and enjoying, but like all this shit, I put it all to hear, and it was such an enormous gift to me to sort of here that and see that first hand you as a number one. As as as an actor as a father is a husband right before I was embarking on the journey of my life, which was really to be a father and a husband was there anything this as a sort of wine and was there anything this season punished, because, obviously we hope for Frank Castle is theirs, still a lot of other story going on in daredevil and Frank Castle is essentially a murder tornado. So was there anything,

this sea in the sea of of of doing a stand alone show with him where you're like all this might be too much? I think that might be too far. Should we deal this back a little, but now I think the opposite. I mean for me. It was sore the there was Are there was sort of a dialogue between me and the powers that be. In that show was sort of the opposite. I have no interest. I only want to honour the fans, the comic military. I only want to honour the people that care about Frank and to me the thing. You know I do comecon I'm out there feel like I, you know I I I feel like I have an understanding of what they want and if its anything it's like do not go for a likeable like do not go for you know, trying to make him accessible, I think all about being bold enough to say to dare the audience tinted too to be eager for the audience to turn their back on him. So

no, he went too far this time and then to empathize with him enough to let that come from a true place of of pain and and and not let it just be pure. You knows that and not just make him a sociopath to let it be coming from a place in a let low a bad start that speaking a avenues for minorities already like thinks he's a watch, the children. I think he's just a little concerned about the punisher. Exhilarating easier castles gone too far. Now serves that's ok, but let my last for you is it unless you have written there is more that you were wrapping up there. No, no, I think that's it. I just that. I think that that that that is the line of communication. I will never think that it's going too far. I push for quite the opposite, and I think that that's what makes him different? That's what makes him frank and that's what He bore people do I'd and I do believe that there is a little bit of this guy and in all of us I do. I do believe that an

think this just happened to be. They fought with the wrong guy. There's a good life lesson in there somewhere, even though it's a little twisted because of the way Frank expresses a lot of stuff, but if you are not the most authentic you that you can be than you were, watered down and you're deluded in and that doesn't it does seem to be. A character as a person. It's like figure out who you are and just be the shit out of that person's. Whether or not people are gonna. Do you know whether or not an end, wearing powers are going to like me. Or is it just view you are just be who you are, but I am my last question is about Sweep Virginia, which is coming out in November read, but I dont know that much about it. I know it's like a thriller. So what is what? What are you going to like it? Man? Ok, I'm really really proud of that that film it was like yours. One of these kind of perfect perfect situations with his great script is unbelievable, director, Jamie Dag and how to know. If you know Chris Abbot, do you know, do you know I'm so Criss Cross,

was Christmas on girls and he sort of started out kind of his one sort of actor and he is I think that his performance in this movie offered up there with anything. Literally any People were comparing to have your bar dam and no country, but it's the he plays I want give. Much away, but it's about the small town in Alaska and this hitman comes a town in the whole, though the hopes or purpose of the movie sometimes violence I was. Violence is needed to sort of burst people out of the dormant lives at their living. Entering a real good can come out of it, and so these people's organ. This little town in Alaska, basically to hide, and then this guy comes to town and just fuck shit up but the end result is, you know everybody sorted be everybody sword becomes who they're supposed to become after that, and you know what this guy does. Is he plays this part with no bravado no bluster. He does it with just a he scary as fuck by just being

really really tormented and weird and honest, and I can't say enough good about the performance and for me I got a chance. I normally play that part. You know and I got to do something in a way that I never been able to do before in a completely other kind of apart, it was originally they wanted it to be. The part was written for is sixties and I dont know how somehow they landed on and on me. But I'm super grateful that they did. I should be grateful that they, let me sort of fine. What what I thought they were looking for a six year old man and attributed to me so that the character as Parkinson'S- yes, there there's a there by just sort of stuff to kind of take away from the sort of Punisher S, quality that that people,

What of associated me with, but I'm really proud of the movie? I think you're really dig it man. I am so glad we're all to make this work. We too fucking love. You John Ass veil of had I alone, and I love that Katy was the dog whisperer degrade. Did you handle data to a single Katy volunteers with with rescue paradise and and loves, loves, loves, animal loves pits end, and so this was like the per when she saw that you brought the job with this may her Fuckin day, the Jihad deigning to say hello to them. What is right for the guy doesn't have to go to the bath and use all right there, but excited for punisher anytime. You wanna come back on. You are welcome and it was was fucking greater hope. You had fallen high priest Bessie you and your wife man. Thank you, sir. You and your than your three kids life. Thank you write a joy, burrito everyone rec room leaving noticed, enjoy your burrito.