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and then slowly realise that that was the first group I attach myself to in high school and then later years later found out what others thought of of the click I chose later. A lot of those people would then come ass right. Films, like living also became, were uniquely qualified to actually create worlds and and stand game balance in all the then entertaining a group of people through storytelling that their participating in so between them, and my improv background from when I spend time in Chicago those two things that I thought were. Maybe more of indulgences ended up really. Given me a very solid skill set, that's uniquely qualify for the type of filmmaking. That's very popular now yet can indeed be a sort of like I think it can be like when someone says I'm doing a one. Man show like that. The wrong one. Is this deadly to be around but you're right ones are incredible. Like such an area, the perfect it's, the

sort of the nexus of of math and fantasy is whether we wanted a one time I thought about. It could be cool as I see it was on, your show is George are important and must be talking about. You really do. Isn't he talked about that? He has a game and they come up with games got in here. For real, like real got. I remember deeds like that, and he had like the fantasy of some, who got out of their their parents, dining room, running a game and actually like made a whole world that everybody is invited into, but he is, he gets he's got his street credit I think there's no question here. I mean it even just in that, like that, I think that the the terminal that he writes on the old programme, many rights I'm like everything about it, is just like he's in he's kind of frozen in that time period. Now he's got the attitude perfect like when you really hear him that my I'm not talking about like when he's doing you know like Edition, content for the you know for upcoming

on HBO, but when you to him for a while he's the whole, like not judging himself at all, has greatly buys into the region in the world and What amazing is that it's such a from a storytelling standpoint? I reference, Gamma, thrones, alot. Even in John Reserve, nothing to do with it, because what he does is like what Hitchcock with Psycho, which is will constantly tee, in a way and in the way that the store telling marketplaces. Now everything has to be very predictable, marketable attentive. Onto patterns with movies that you see they it's like Rock n roll songs. They all have the same structure, they all the same length. You know what's happen? Halfway through you know, it's gonna start with a car chase or an a climax. He know that fantasy has all those troops and he will low you down a path where you think you expect what's gonna happen, and then he just completely. He

He won eighties on you and I remember when spoiler alert season ones John being gets his gets, who gets killed, NED Stock and every that leads on my how wish they get how they can get out of this cornering themselves like like going to jump the shark, I'm like she's, not that good with a sword out loud when they haven't, I set out. Let us I think they're allowed to do the stone, outing, villain, double are known and actually it it's even in I know think about I've done most recently is coming out chef. It we'll talk about later on. I hope I will be sought it's great. Yet we have taken thinking but there's a whole storytelling thing where your building towards an outcome that normal movie would happen, and it's very hopefully confusing and off putting when things don't turn out, you're surprised by the course of the way the movie and when we were in the editing room on that. I kept saying you

play it as they didn't game, thrones, wear it building to that moment as though something's gonna, gonna save him, and you ve even laid bread crumbs with with her training, with the daughters, training with a sword and people who are coming to the crowd. You're waiting for you, know, Jack Sparrow, to swing and on a road and save them. And what were the you know that this purely to shoot the news it. Never never. Happen, and it has the same effect of like the Twilight Zone episode was. The twilight zone owes episode where you they said they going rescue the kid from hanging, in the western, I don't know. I think that was too. I think that was if I don't and they don't like yours, so shock us you're, so used to the troops of a western of being that, and so he does it over and over and now. What's really impressive. Is that you What's coming so now, you're, not you know you never relaxing you're, always watching and then and then the red wedding. Just not me, I'm asking you know it is

the real. So you know again for George are Martin who had never met, but it this the store and enough, of course, many often and everybody involved it. Just a testament to not just the way it's executed, but messing with the form and the structure Don't you feel like that that there is and if there is kind of a deal what line to right. I think between napping too. But it would also not going so far off the map that people are like I'll go fuck yourself, you know what I mean like where people I just can't they just don't it is tricky you know in the inner it's always um. I remember show I really enjoy deadwood you're. That was there. I was with it and I love Milton. I love his whole thing, but there was a lot of the criticism that people who gave up on it would hang with it till the end. Was that you're going too far afield from what the underlined mutations are I didn't feel that way personally, but with with this

won t seems to really stick with the with the genre very strongly and very deeply in effect, and then and then throws you enough courage to make it more first will make it wanna see it when it's when it's on here I may not get spoiled by having to avoid twitter, you know until you get not even- and I even found myself sitting there, only might lead us, embarrassing and plain dungeon dragon sitting there with my tablet on my knees and pausing the show. So I could watch the the seconds

content. I never do that was me. I was there like a looking above also have a terrible memory and us like who's that, like it's amazing how much I enjoy it without knowing half of these people with experience shows- or I don't know the names of anybody know, I don't that I feel you know, and then you meet them. You place a guy, you sometimes as a director, though just gonna have these weird fantasies we so you take. It will be like ship, which is a very, very real story, but just as one the NGO. What have leg was almost showed up with three dragons like I don't know where it is not inflict you do. You know you're happy, I ve done it, and and the versions of that and then you are forced to Cosette, was really that's. What the iron man thing was that wasn't originally parted, the iron man one script and we just said, puts try it. Why

not to it, and there was a freedom in in that and in the Nick Fury thing wasn't much different than that. It was like. You know what would be good for the fans. Let's get let's use anthrax will come in just four after Easter egg. After the credit thing, and then of course, then actually inherit that logic and the Canon of the film world, and then you have to back Phil two into those areas, but but that reckless creative abandon, I think, is what gives all stories spontaneity that, people demand now because people are just too are such students of of of the medium that they kind of no there's not a lot of things. You could pull because all the stories have been done and done well now over and over again and your facing similar challenges. So any time you get through a curveball, inspired and surprising and at the same time does not feel like it can.

With the with the internal logic of the thing that that's that's, the type of that's a type of because I like to that- and the letter had Gilligan was masterful, breaking bad sure is is because I saw a lot of other shows around couple seasons of breaking bad. That would try to do these crazy turns, but just didn't quite have Vince is for that's right at justifying the train. You know I go what the fuck is going on. Oh, you ve just explain that perfectly and now I think there could not possibly be any other answer than that yeah. It was you I mean like sopranos, whose great at throwing you curves, but they were. They were ends that never much like in life that were never addressed again, so you never who or what was gonna, come back, but That was also a big step forward from what you used to and in that type of storytelling and then and then with scale. Again, there was an incredible, all in all mathematic efficiency to the way things came back and paid off than I thought.

With great near you talk to the guy. He didn't you can't imagine such a nice sweet solving the matter. This guy's diseases, like I don't know, maybe just as has been used to get the permanent guide a guitar shop in Austin. That's what it's it's funny to, because it's like it's like you have like rock groups, got can only go so far with the two minute rock song controls. Were you standard. You know you had the the lyric the bridge. The chorus corps a very limited structure, and then it's almost like one album rock came out, darkshire, the moon or even like rock approach like coming with a wall that it opened up a whole new pasture of room for inspiration and creative freedom and I what's happening now and in television, especially cable, or were new media Netflix you're you're not confined

the story, teller any longer to this hour and a half format or our format are really forty. Four minutes matter twenty two minute format, depending on. If you talk leisure, our television have our television and so you're getting this I think the audience has tremendous capacity to organise these things and you could cut things much quicker and shoot them much more beautifully because audiences. Think it have become much more sophisticated. So when you, when you see what these storytellers can tell it's it's. It's really gives people room to flourish and not just feel like that. Retreading, the same, over and over again. I think that's why a lot of the will that a number of reasons, a lot at the best content is really happening. I think on the small screen now at least the stuff, it almost compelled to an drawn to announcing its white people are so I mean ever remember before the last few years, people being such decades about smiles, pilots does violent. Think, as I crave it's so hard these these, these kind of

prices are to be, you know whatever endorphins are released and that in those moments arts are, commodities and now, when people don't get them with the biggest bucking they Ya'Ll out, and I understand it to a degree because people assume that I've seen everything the second. It comes out riots, I'm sure they do this new treaty, like I can't believe sound, so turned up at the end. There is a God damn it rain. I know not to look I mean, that's! That's also skill and a new set of world skills, which is knowing when to look and when not to look and how deeply to read and to be able to actually have an automatic filtering, as your scam scanning over the things you know went to stop looking at something and that they get sucked into the void it started. I think you know with when accidently with the inner Dvr football games and then check No, they don't do that and then it's too

Turning into things like one leg, game, a thrones or or walking dad or something they want to see too much. I follow people who are funny because they go right after it may create like panels, walls, a great ass. You know either live tweeting were gorgeous reacting in a very very sincere see your way of somebody who's clearly speaking from the heart and not try to fashion tweets too, the feed going right now and so he's he PETE. He, he's a comic and, in the end, a geek. So it's like a particular enjoy his reading his stuff, but I have to know: don't don't look at it? don't look at my feet and less I've done my job in the net, but then House Our Japanese, like ok, can I say so thing what does this statute of limitations on a on a binge dump him on? on Netflix eggs. People do that. No one is really slowly episodes once everyone sees any it's hard to talk about tv shows that way, because you never know or now stands. This is like it's like

oh did you walk out the middle, the movie or I will then I won't talk to about the rest of the movie right and so there like there was a bit of everybody said that you get sort of like, I guess, till Tuesday of something was on the weekend or on a Sunday like there is this kind of acceptable, half life spoilers that people accept, like I mean I'm watching homeland the last season. I'm have almost no the last season land watching you on em You waiting on demand and I know that if I see a spoiler it's on me, you know what you know. Don't don't you know like ruining Saint John saying elsewhere. You know it's like up, but there are other things where it's like: it's not you know if it's, if its EAST West Coast timezone, that's not fair, but we we talk about things that progress before that are years. Older people look hebrew spoilers milling enormously. Wasn't that important to you if you haven't hopped on that train in the last few years, so I do feel that so

I'm sure, on line there are some hard and fast rules. I just want to cheat of like a spoiler Ganges regulars, send someone and go here's what you need to know so, That is why this is accepted ones. I think, like I think, within six months. I could sort of- stand people get busy, maybe they'll catch up with an ox, but if it They haven't seen it yet than their night and everything? That's not fair that spares we're gonna get so upset than like. It's a watch it and don't like to hold other people responsible for having seen it because their real friends and saw it already and they were not talk about it and what is, and what is social media is it? Is it the utter coolers. This new you talking to will our net it's like mine, my kids, don't get upset like the people of our generation Ducas, they know that when you're reading something on the internet, especially where it's an anonymous, you know posting that's like

manage something scrolling swimming in the bathroom. All I know, but I said the other, but for those of us who were remember before we equate that someone walking up a disaster like busy right now, but it's not that it's really it's over it's more like listening to, especially during a search which I don't recommend know it's like putting up profound at a water cooler. Getting man at somebody for in Ireland my first year Healing Baron town twenty years and when I first got Here I came and the like, I was doing comedy. I was to an improvement in Chicago IRA Ion and second city. I was a dish. Washer never never perform the thought that, just as the US and look out leave right and I got to watch for early in like Myers and all the great you know all the coal bare and all the

greater l might have been in the railways there corral and called there and economy low hers ahead of Twitter was when one of those groups was he yeah. I don't know if I overlap than I was there for about four years. Amy Cyrus Amy should Heiresses Arusha, whose in shadow and was an else, yes is now she's, just she's in a murderer nor shoe is she's. Like the moment people say women are as funny man. It's like just point to her she's, the latter bird amity, I mean what it's when you. There sort of like there a time stamp regional period, the magic in comedy around the country, and that is one of those like one. Mega classes are like that person and that round and that, like warm water, but when I was seventeen shirts and checking tones downstairs, there was a book about the history of second city, and it felt like lightning struck here like three times already like. Is this not busy?

not where you wanna be digging for fur treasure. It moves someplace else, because it's coming to the scene of the crime didn't seem no question it and then sure enough there was a whole new wave of Tina Faye. I mean every small. These smart great people with really good it. It's of it was a the training ground because it was in Chicago specifically, was a place where people are wasn't. I shall cases you weren't, hoping to get married, once in a while, a scout would come through town for something for us, an owl fur movie, that was casting supporting roles, but for the most part you are putting up a show: the community. There would come out to see the shell and, if you a good show going. You would fill the theatre with natural, friends and family, but people who just want you to go out and have a good time in and see some comedy and were forced to learn how to write, how to act. How to edit? How to direct you. Would you know

the EU should be? Was a comedy group. The attack, then that came that was part. The generation like that, if I was a junior, they were the sophomore class and it was Mackay, was in there and Horatio Sands and met Besser while she was a you know, but that wishes to group of people We're just doing shows it bars and in wicker park, and it turned into a theatre thing now. In retrospect, it seems like such such as difficult thing, but there was you know everybody had a group, and you'd right sketches and it was very disposable. Your writing cause. It was good for weak, so you never got that. You never got that if we're boating, feeling that a writer does when you or like I'm, writing my screen play. It has to be perfect or an actor who went to college, for my two, like yell drama, there was always the sum reverence for acting, which makes them great actors, but it also makes for each audition or every time you do your craft, the stakes

much higher amount of pressure. It's a lot of pressure. I just kind of like that. You know is fine. If it works out. That's kind of what you know: that's kind of what it was an end and it is also a very team. It's a team sport You know, and I know you're more stand up, but there's a there was a differentiation that if, if you were ambitious and wanted to be, you know top dog, it was it you kind of had to that, because it end of the day. You were a team and you had to pass the ball three times before somebody took shot, and that was the mentality and anybody who was the show boating the it will be good for them either the halted. The team would lose in you were forced to learn to rely on each other's said each other up, and- and so it was much more of a sporting wasn't early enough directors you would coach is give somebody is irrelevant, You bucks, a hat to have one more experience improvise coming coach. You watch, you shall give notes afterwards, but it was never directing

so there was a very A really nice infrastructure that has that it continues in the movie businesses among director, certainly theirs it there's an idea of hey, come check out my movie. What do you think or come? You know I come to the editing room. Look at this. You know These are very supportive environment in otherwise, highly competitive line of work, which is the part that I really have grown to appreciate, more so than all the things I thought I'd like it, s really disease, like those just brig purposes, on at midnight last night, blank Apaches another comic as one of our writers, and maybe they were in San Francisco. At the same time, the lady is early nineties, looks kind of at the end of the count room like right before what is classically labelled as alternative comedy sort of wrath at a sample this go and plain said it did at the time so much at a stand up scenes that he had been around were really

competitive when they see someone funny onstage me like up what that guy to fucking. Do they disagree with them? Just go was the first time where people go where other comments would look at someone on stage ago, that guy's really funny and one up like learn hang out row and be communal as opposed to you know the sort of isolated. I mean, I think, Stanhope definitely lends itself to more isolated and then the other comedy arts, because it is you do do it alone. And you are may lining too, like when you, when you kill alone on it, There's nothing else that exhilarating feature. You know, you're you're, ear. Its hitting you're like glands in your brain, is releases all of these. But it's a horn is all about winning group, though like if you have another person or a group of people, there is sort of abandoning words like

Oh, my god, what like, when you discover that you're all somehow on the perfect way by everything, is this zone as a separate I've done. I've done both right and I'm telling you that the stand up, who's. There alone is like Emma. May I just the other person like its view against audience, and there is nothing there, but you are you know, but your training and your wits and your muscles and your pain threshold and your nerve with with that improv. There's always that you know it's like it's like being a marine like I'm in you over the wall, but we were here for each other, it's like at best loan survive and then, when you try stuff like that, like you all go down helping each other out, but it's it's a different vibe. I think it's a better. I think that everybody's got them. Instincts right everybody should it wants to shine. Everybody wants to be supportive, but the emperor community tend to punish people for putting them

in front of the group, whereas in stand up your you know is rewarded, and the more you discuss beer you are sometimes it tends to be the better but who go the further? Should the ones you were gonna travelling Oh shows work their way out of the food chain faster there. I think both learn. I think that what happens that way you get absorbed into the community. Those standards become writers, Farmers are actors and they learn those skills later and grow to appreciate it, and then the people who come to the end background. Also learn like the hate. You gotta be that there's some jokes here: not you gotta be productive and that's not that's, never part of the process when you are talking to the coach at half time well, Inevitably here hear that part of your background and then you know, to see the the, I just winners in the theater when it came out

to see because you could have easily just made that movie just about yourself and the other approaches. Now, let's have a bunch of characters in there and they're all really strong and everyone sort of like that's that's kind of what supports the structure of the film. Thank you yes, it is, and I made myself a stand up there. Yes elsewhere, improvised a union so but yet it's over he's like to I've always been a supporting player. I've been a character actor. And I've had my moments where I've got to play good parts, but but the fact is my my sensibility comes from from that training and when your character after you you're there to support you know you're there to settle any you get your moment be. Get you get to. Get to show off once in a while and and steal a scene, everybody's happy, even the lead usually be. This leaves like this one scene and I'll have to worry about your help me my movie and

you need people to two to carry you along when you're the main dude, unlike in Shaff, where or or major or swingers you, those pointing character shine more more so than myself will, because your character has the task of having to drive the story forward and when you You know what sort of like if you're driving the bus you can't fuck around in the back in an hour as much as you have to keep the bus on the road. People in kind of like you know, I wouldn't way rather be not believed There's no pressure. You just come in and do your thing and then leave will in time it s got to deal with a common and you kill it and and its great and I love doing it whether its one scene or were foreseen or the whole movie. And then you have all other people who have been leads and could be leads come. You know you had like events in an inner swingers in major, crushing it In this, when he got leg was imo. Who is just like in top form hasn't you know, he's always have

but I haven't seen him. Do this particular thing in a while and he just in a week, encouraging multiple cameras. I encourage improv as long as your own, storing and if you could beat what's there, let's do it, let's try it as long as it feels natural and doesn't feel like you're trying to score, improvises within the reality. The moment. I love that I love. Although directors, I look up to do that you know I worked at Scorsese. I I had very lucky to do a small role of Wall Street. I got to work, this process, and would you pick up? You know that it's it's all about, firstly, extremely enthusiastic, he laughs and if you, want to change something hill. Peking, you tremendous freedom to do that and he'll come in and in pay attention and he'll be the first audience member to laugh at it and enjoy it, and then I'll give you guidance as to how you should shifted are adjusted, and I got to do than a little I was very nervous to be honest with you, but I watch watching Jonah Jonah.

I got to be therewith Jonah, working Jonah with with Leonardo Dicaprio and then Rob Reiner was there who I would have been starstruck about. We know three. If it was eight if he were directing so it's like them, the whole thing was was high. Real and then Scorsese you. If you saw sweaters, you know, I've been I've been pretty this guy, while leases ringers that you talk about. If he did, I think I think people tend to stop really watching films with the same degree of awe and attention for I may begin doing it themselves, like, I think, there's pre you like I know I look at Tarantino differently now. Look at new filmmakers today all appreciate what people are doing, but they really have to Gore tremendously for for them to knock me on my ass, an intermediate to somebody who thinks of them in the same light. As I think people like Tarantino, Scorsese or people that I grew up watching or were or were doing it before I broke. Do you think we're getting

because we sort of when word when we're younger. We see something that changes are gap active and then all of a sudden lake you know it's not everyone is going to change respective every single time. You see some and reform frozen your imprinting on it's like could not even save them. Thinking about how to improve blazing saddles. I could give a note, like that part slow or they should have a cast. This person is that I'm curious I'd be curious to see you know the version of it, during recent progress report. Looks like that. I too me that's like when I see the documents are richer. Priors like oh, my god. What would that have been like I'm curious in all? universe. Kind of way- but I think it's perfect, I think badinage bears perfect what god I haven't seen that movie an age you, it's so good. There's that movie would

Did they try to remake it with Billy about furnace? That's right! That's right! At a later date, I didn't send you see it but see that she shows you it's like it's like it. I'm sure it's good. I've heard it's good. Seventys is really time when we could let kids drank and be racist riders motorcycles about how they lay phase of all kids gonna play lazy access, but it wasn't. You know it's again judged by the time it wasn't done to shock known, wasn't shocking, like it is now and you you know it: it's tough cause. If I showed my kids it it would be shocking sure, but growing up, then it felt at the time you know it's like how people watch South Park now I guess that's how kids talk and in that way What was nice and- and I try to actually in chef- have the kid be that kind of you know the movie be and are, let's not get held by the stand. Of what studio comedies would be and just make them if, as small as I had to to preserve the Langen

It would have been a kitchen and let you know that it's not gonna be sweet. Clean and it can become a rough around the edges, and I dont think that you know a movie I don't think it's. It's binary I'll think that either you're a rough, shocking, film or your movie with heart. Nice message. What I liked about will these were growing up as they were rough, but they knew they were life affirming good messages. It wasn't just a shock parade you know they were shocking aspects to those movies, but then there was also. There was also very traditional storytelling bullet surface story like the shocks of certain story. It wasn't just to get the and to be like. Woe was like this is. This is a very organic Pisa, characters. Armies are necessary to inform you all and yet what you? What you need to know and let the Baghdad be the man or man is so that duty becomes a good dad than it means something. But everything in our in our culture, of so many voices the process right now and the states

so high and in fighting for relevance and urgency in the market place, especially with a film. That's, not a affects, driven big. You know ground he or she could hear a movie where you want to see it big and if see a big you feel like you're, not getting your monies worth out of it smaller films in especially I get screener examine the academy. Is it really so lot. If I'm gonna get a sitter, I got three kids or make a sitter go out and watch a movie in a theater versus waiting a few months for the pop up on Apple tv right. You know on Itunes, show it it's. There's a lot of there's a lot of hand wringing on the part of the people who releasing these things that you don't want to alienate, she want to short travels travel. I make work for all the quadrants, and the only way to combat that is either, do them small screen or bring your scope and ends watch it down to the level that it doesn't take that you don't have to please ever Are you all the time you could you could write

Please a smaller group very much rather have a very loyal, smaller audience for from will be like this nana, then a bigger on it, where everybody gets every joke and that's just you know, because I have to do with the big ones you ve gotta. You gotta concern yourself with with everybody. You need everybody to show up, for it, took four not to lose money where, where do you think this idea like it takes granting love to get me out of my house to go see. Oh yes, oh then is that is that, little scary, it all in terms of light is there seems to be more pressure on the film industry to make movies that will go people out of the house and not just go. I don't. That is all I can to see that unscathed. Yet that's what you're saying and then that's why there's a whole budget level that you're not seeing movies, getting relay that in Sadly, that's the budget level that lead to most best pictures and there's a lot of movies that you could go down. The line is a dog they afternoon,

afternoon would now be HBO, movie. What right and an end, maybe ten years ago, would have been an Indy Anne and thirty years ago would have been a studio movie. So I think that still being good work, good works being done, she's, not in the cinema on the theatres and with new media coming up, because it gives me dvd protected you So, even if you had those big blockbusters, video indeed he came in and then there was that window to recoup. So if did something that was more ambitious and even if it can compete they're in the market place from the foreign territory, because it was too specific to your culture, which was Pacifica Effect, they still neither in the dvd window. You you'd make your money back, it might take a year, but you'll kill you pretty safe to budget. Something Forty million dollar range they had some stars and was ambitious. Then then, with you know: online theft and piracy. Is that that completely

its opt out of the equation, and so you to make your move your money back in in the movies so either but what way down it was. What was something everybody wants to come to a now with foreign markets, so important, more important than the domestic. It's got a travel, so, be too specific to our culture either hey now is new media is coming back up and it had been your trading. What was it old pennies you're, getting your training for four analogue dollars, and and now they each year, those pennies have doubled. And now, for the first time, if you combine new media home video, it's actually gone up. And so this is falling off. A cliff curve that home home video had had is now changing so you're gonna start to see smaller movies have better budgets as that begins to grow and as we or to monetize that window? Better and- and now you you're starting to see movies, get better. I think, because of that, and

yes, you ve, got these tremendously robust, big, huge movies that are using technology and universal storytelling and effects and drawing great actors to them, because there is not a lot as much workers. There had been an end and there are good versions of those like I'm not disparaging, and I like working in that environment but there's a narrow swaths of stories. You can tell that that take all those boxes and every While you want to do something. That's more personal, like how I started with swingers and made an end when an idea, like four chef and I am able to have this. Form script in my head and write it as quickly as I did swingers and unjust the whole thing and know that I could do it for not allotted dough and have something that I feel very connected to its it's nice to be able to find a channel through which to do that, and no

full. Well, that you know really. I wanted to make enough money back to two not punished people who believe in Asia, but also. I know that if you put something really good out there and something you really believe in that, audience can find it now, and you know Swingers made, I think five million six million feeders and but everybody seen it and rule It was like number two when it came out, but nobody's has seen it. There is a cultural reference and elf else did well in the theatres but its, but because of tv and and because over you know it being in the this rotation. It is now part the culture and as the next generation comes up, it's really fun for me to see people who, who coups hoof from their opinions growing An environment where there were seeing the work that I did at a younger age out was really interesting because from what I heard the way the term Most people understand this, but television film are two completely different island here and there's a giant wall?

between them. Television is certainly more aware film, but from what I've you understood, limited involvement with film is that the village film had studio heads, you don't really know or give that much of a fuck about TB, and so that will feral who Everyone's mine is like oh he's. A comedy. Superstar was still a top cell to to so we need a movie because I like one, who gives a fuck like no, no, you don't understand you half way, but when we started the only film he had done, a lead in, I think, was neither ox very red eyes. I wasn't, but old school was in the can had actually visited the set of old school as visiting thence. It was so I got there, Some really good was happening there even set. There was of a fund vibe to it and that movie not just you know it did really not Vince to another level and and and of course, you know we know will was just all of a sudden that having

the biggest already comedy at that point. Never and so halfway through the production wealth. There was this infusion of enthusiasm for him, but in the beginning it was. It was seen as a car, that film be no end it was, you know, is it it was a bit of a nail biter for a lot of people involved, because here finally will did appear on the scene and a very big way in had been trying to get angry man made even before elfin, he couldn't get that made immediately. Thereafter he did and and so it you know, everything kind of that thing. The sun began to shine on his career and in his talent was revealed the inner that you may have known, but the general public my kind of socio him with us are now which those Sometimes it works out. What for them is somehow doesn't answer. He became a proven commodity out there and in the film marketplace and, and then but people are like- is this Movie too soft for the audience that is clearly coming out for him because of old school

it was a pretty rough far, and I remember I it was we tested elf, with due attention. And one day, and the first test was with young kids and a test through the roof and then but then I realized. I know every movie test through the roof with us to celebrate, don't celebrates in fast and then the next group was kids with piercings, and you know right and final shirts and using as before tattoos, so like a kind of a rough and ready all slash. Comedy college crowd. And they were saying I don't worry we just want to, how it plays with this group. Don't don't concerns whether we like the movie, we know a place for kids, it's gonna be good, and I would in the back at seat, I watched it and what might when my credit came up even then there was a pause, and I was that was the fur time than I ever felt, and we they have no me from, but could only be swingers right. That was

had done before that swingers are made, and so they light they gave the movie, anyone will came on. They went crazy, they love and when all the rank and bass like stop motion little animals that the kids didn't get all the people who were like in their twenties thought all its it on our childhood and the rank and bass things. And that's when that's when I really started to feel any tested very well with them in that, and then there was no discussion of creatively in postproduction like let's finish the movie, we got it and and came up with a really good campaign with will and that outfit and and just billboards him in the suit being like boxed in by this big ALF on a little billboard. So it was The first time I had a magic moment with a move because everything at either acted in or done had this been there's been,

high water mark of like it's a great festival or got acquired or had a good weekend, but then, as it went out to the big market, place it it's disappear. Quickly and then found life on video, but there was always a little bit of a San ending to all of it. This is the first time that it will. You went to that visited the movie theatres and it was they were like adding shows and it was packed houses and and when you a comedy that sort of your dream right. Your comic. But when you're comic Europe on sweating it out, whether you doing improper stand up, you're, sweating and you don't even remember how to set one if it was good. You just know that you are you not enjoying anything you're up there. You know your dancing, a figure daffy duck eaten gasoline, but not another. I can only do once and then and then, when you do a movie, any direct it or you're in it. Even better when you're in it, because there is some

not seeing you getting a laugh, but even when it's not you, it's the people that you ve no help pull together and you, at the back of the theatre and they're laughing at jokes, that are all pre praetor it into the movie, not to do anything but sit and watch and getting laughs and your passively watching people laugh at that thing that you ve been just Terry. Apart over and over again putting back together scrutinising defending getting good It's bad nodes, people telling you this joyful, never work in and kills like. That's like there's this whole kaleidoscope of emotions that you feel and that to see that I always had about sitting in the theater and watching people watch something good that I was involved with that still something that makes you keep going back to the fire when it's out, but you know that might be on dvd, but you know you never gonna get to see it again like this, and so ok, one week ago in its and I've had the opposite, where you with

It gets the limo you drive around and you therefore the opening night ray we're the chinese theatre. You go in these using pc you and there's like one person I've ever if a focused polar bears, the focus, Polar was only the person in the later they always is. One person come into the limo learn at Rome so that with sad, I've had a thorough you. Oh my god, pc you. I remember when they came out that was supposed to be like this is going to be. Animal house all over again, maybe not I mean, like I meant when they re promoted it. That was sure rail ammo house is pretty good ammo houses, maybe one of my favorite movies he's not my favorite Anne and you want to be part of you know you want, and it was- and I think there was I I still there are people who really like it now and again as all generation people who grew up watching at year end. Good moments to it. It was, it would have been better

if it were and are in a little bit more rough and ready in a little less tempered for the studio. It certainly couldn't made less money oppose. It struck me over whether if anyone ever says to me like you, want to be economic? No, I don't. I would never want to be a directive because there's nothing All the political stopped me like you, the focal point of all of it either between between the studio ultimately and the actors and the editors and everything, and so to me it's so frightening, because there are so many fail points that are fully in your control and then also there's, a million different ways to cut something how fuck do you know when it's done? It's not! That part of its actually not as hard as you might think, and I think you'd be very good at it, because you're, smart and you're a student of of film- and you know comedy that the hard part is the first part, which is Do you navigate through the politics of it and.

In and out very so much from film to film, and I email know You think that with success, you get more freedom in its actually. The opposite is true, because, as something grows in popularity, it becomes a brand and it becomes. There are so many more voices of people who are, who have a vested interest in protecting remaining over protective mothers. Rival, that's right and an annually by the way they they. They write, big checks and they want to make sure that you know and you're getting paid well and they want to make sure that you don't kill the goose says you're doing it and it's a and so it's wait till like improv, if you're started off. There was no del close, would teach in a long form, improve the herald, and you would get one suggestion and explore that suggestion with a group of people for half an hour then is

gigs that are like corporate gigs or industrial, that you would take some money where you go and they give you a list of all the peoples means you have to match in violent accounting that product Ryan that's coming out, and it would be really funny if you did a thing and you and your there at some like be no closed audience. Sales conference and became a matter of satisfying all the all the prerequisites of this gig, but you we're gonna hit the level inspiration that you would, if you're doing, an exploration and so there's always a balancing act between doing something that you are excited about. Inspired by and have freedom too, but then you also dealing with the commerce aspect of these show business, and you don't want to, you know and and also another fans feel like they own. If you do sequels or a piece of material that they feel connected with You have to make sure that you are it below to them in many ways. So if you come back and do

a sequel or remake were we know, take up above above a book or a set of novels that they love they feel that they have a certain ownership over that and they do well. Yes, because their attaching I mean, if someone is a hyper fan of some Then let's call him iron man right. And they attach their identity to it, and then you express, a version of that that is antithetical to that then you're, not just hurting something they love. You are attacking their core identity, and so in the end and now the internet they can. Let you know that in the trick, the trick, I think, is to find that brand. That has enough. There is robust enough that you that it it will it's getting a big movie you, I guess more about brands now than about people, regulates the era of marketing and branding so eat Unita

and that gives the suit the confidence to put the money in, but you don't watch much of a predisposition to hell to turn out that its dick that you're operating out of fear sure and that's the balancing act, you know, and with iron man, we're very fortunate, because there was studio. It was a negative. Up. It was. It was a small. It was if nothing was expected of it. It was given. We had the success rate of like a fox superhero film, that everybody would have been happy that would have gotten made their money, it wasn't can be a star driven thing. There was As long as we hit the limited budget that we needed to do, we had some good trailer moments. We made a solid film and din hurt the new Marvel studio. Then we were- you know we were pretty much in the clear and people didn't iron man. No, not not only did they not no iron man, but propaganda Junior had really been super the public up to that point because of stuff

and so on and so you know now what sort of a no brainer guy iron? May I remind you, of course, but at the time remember when it when it was announced, it was like really iron in our eyes Well, that's an interesting. You know it wasn't like Ireland was at the forefront now character and he was not at the forefront as an actor that no no, but every body like it caught something, and I really turn that casting is most of my keys, fuckin, tony sort. You know it's it's yeah, it is. If I get tone and casting right, that's most of it and in what I knew. If I could get him, I sat with him and Pino he was. He was so we had been up for other. I think he had like met on doktor doom like he had been around trying to end I was the only one to shut up to that meeting. You know when, when we brought him in and There was enough Kevin wasn't Kevin what running the show. Yet it was, it was avi still running the show it was. There was a transition during the making environment. I remember it was one of the first come first,

relations I deep closed or conversations I had with Kevin when we were discussing whose can it be a realistic actors that we're all right and in and he and I definitely bonded on like this- is this. Might this we should, give up on exports, This possibility at which led to the screen test in one's everybody, saw what he could do. There was nobody who everybody was on the side of of Robert getting the part and it was It was a bit of a We know you didn't know how serious he was about his career because had been serious in the past and He had many years of just really showing that he was gonna relentlessly go after this now, not just this role, but just the He was ready in his life to to grow and was about a movie about a guy who was who grows, and we know there's only a couple Joseph Campbell myths, talent, superhero, were that either you're the kid

spider man who comes of age or you're the person whose lost their way, who regret it? it's their life or the collapse of somebody who is at the top when fighting fighting to to keep the belt. But that's it much. Order, that's a much harder. I missed to tell in a way that route the Robert, the rebirth of somebody who has tremendous capacity and talent who find he is like knocked into play. Spy you know, oftentimes hitting bottom, were trauma in the case with with Tony Stark it it was the kidnapping and in the end and being we know, we health held prisoner and then It comes out of that cave with a renewed reborn and Robert was so ready to play that and the audience was so ready to accept him doing that, and was really rooting for the guy and and I knew if I could get him that I understood what every choice in the movie should be.

And that's how it works. As a director you get, you gotta, get excited gotta get something. That's gonna pull you through that two years in and keep you keep you of unified vision and then allow people around you to join in that vision. Have a consistent vision because the matter is not big movie you're doing a very Small amount of work as a director you're lying tremendously and other people of this huge support system of hundreds of people that have be pulling misled in the same direction and as you can communicate that vision, inspire them that this is a worthwhile endeavour, then they all again and these your majesty people on your crew, I'm talking about like the people of Ireland, the people at Skywalker Sound, I'm talking about writers. I'm talking about actors extras aid, these phds people locking up the parking lot. If you have it humming and spinning like a top moon he's gonna have this momentum. That is palpable when you watch it and it all comes from having the right take on it. In that

directing, is a much harder gig in many ways than than others writings, tough to retard. Fake it, but you really have to have your heart in it to be operating at full capacity and if you know bring in full capacity, you not you not the same, Moreover, these types of cells tend to work well, when the direct or has a bit comedy Jean, I think so I mean like zero SAM Raymie or jobs. You like there's something about infusing a little bit of that into it that just kind of makes it I don't know it just elevates it. I think she'll, because its, I think they did for the type a comedy I enjoy the debate the seat of. It is observation, it's it's noticing the truth, of a moment or situation in commenting on it and That's really what what hewing hewing down to two to the to the core a brain beach, memories, Doc. What what the

writers name. Nosocomial, Simon you'll, Simon, said your job, to show what this is really like? This is that's what what this is, what it's really light for to divorce people to be living together, who opposites this is It's really like any location of those that there's a deeper truth that is relate, that you want to demonstrate- and I think that the storytelling and comedy is: is this company just like this short hand to storytelling? you could say in a comment or in innovation that makes but laugh and laughter comes from recognition in this pattern is establishing and breaking patterns in. That's that's that's math! That's the man comedy, and I like to do that with welfare, jumping on the Christmas tree or Rob smashing into the ceiling with the boots that are too low to too too powerful. You know, and I that kind of Kyler Buster Keaton. I love that stuff, but there's a type of comedy that comes from observing what the

since at the moment is an portraying it generally an exaggerated where the drug draw attention to it and to me, and that's my rob training all was about heightening in exploring heightening heightening. What's the game of the scene, the game once you the game, you heighten the game. Heightened heightened, told, transforms and use those rules, whether its leaving messages on answering machine. I'm gonna go too far with this girl. I'm gonna live out a full relationship and answering machine and tell she finally picked up the phone, and then I hit my low point of the movie. You know it Every movie I do there is a there- is a heightening And transformation and those are the rules I learn from. You know that from being honest it because, when you're on stage with other people, you're writing in real time and you're, both partnering up and you have to make a cohesive seen that hasn't out. That will be by the back line- and you both have to be playing same game and heightened

transform was, was always the one that would lead to the comedic. Both both comedy untruth, that's what they would del close, always talked about it. Ok, but to be funny, but don't don't aim for funny aim high, that's funny aim for truth and you'll hit funny on the way, and even if you don't get funny you're gonna stop. It's me worthwhile for people to watch it. You'll be get nets up more so again, really think the foundation that I look at not every director is the same. But for me that's been my. My Ass, my path has always been through storytelling through through the rules, essentially rules of improv. How do you know how Do you take it? If you don't you know you spend our time working out of you, but I was home. We're gonna movie, obviously, so you know a lot of times that goes really well for you, but times that it hasn't. Do you they get well or do you take lessons from it or do you You bet your self for a because I care, I really care what people think and you really shouldn't. I know

not to delve into the. Swamps of of of the internet, to two to punish myself, but if the feeling, I do get a sense of sight guys and if people missed, you know like with cowboys millions, they didn't I felt like, I really had something so special that I had navigated. Much more complicated terrain of so many people, respected so much being involved and wanted everybody to be happy and satisfied with the collaboration and getting to pick the brain of these great people like and to work with Like Harrison Ford and Daniel Craig and Spielberg run Howard and it was. It was such a a lovely experience for me and now it sad that it didn't it wasn't, embraced as something that was seen as a as abrasion

scrutinised and people made fun of the title, and you know it likely two hundred million- and I hope everybody made their money back, but it wasn't after the x working on, you know, being part of you know the first lap of the UN Marvel Dynasty and what power a leading that how exciting it was too to march into all age with nobody, knowing what you were doing and then the March out, with applause from showing the first footage of sided with their rare, I think Therefore, that I'm writing. I think I'm moderated the panel right before you paddle who might have been paramount when it was. I think it was formerly and muttering the panel for Paul. I think maybe that was all right sure hall. I am yet because I remember seeing Harrison Ford in the green room that

the competent areas become was named. I was canvassing early years learning about. I was the year that that was the year that people get to stand. Those established that we say that we see that was weird cause backstage. It was like somebody got stem using article one state, that's why we're just get out of there like we're. Gonna go back up the Gruber like we're not going out there like. There was an incidence of like what happened there was established when you heard stabbing. You thought it was a broad sword and how these be headed a lot like that's how it does, and it turns out it was. It was nasty aiming to make public with iron mechanical, sending a punch with immense became convention, which was our policy blood, that to make light of it, but just shows you how we can examine critically. But I mean there was I've. I've felt just seek justice distant finish, the point it was like there was I it's so nice when people love and appreciate what it is and you work just as hard when they don't. But I do know that, as you look back in time, none those game turns or wasted, every thing that I that didn't kill

for audiences, at least at the box. This was a thorough lead, to be able to do what I did with iron man and air thing and you look at the abyss and then you look at tat time. And you know, avatar you can't divide, you can select if we pull pieces out of, of a career. You have to accept the whole thing and and and honestly it's the humility and circumspection from failures that causes growth, psyche grow at night and When you riding high from success, the exercises keep your head and don't let this run away with you, and I think I've been very, very, very fortunate to have a really steady growth that

every time I sort of popped up a little bit. I've got knocked down a little bit, but if you look at the overall curve, it's a girl to throw up it up, and you know you don't wanna, be Orson Welles. I mean that's like to have such success in beginning and you don't wanna, be somebody honestly whose just always just we at the same level of success in winning, and I think that there is this about very variety and growth in and learning. In that thing, I think I embrace the the failures more so than the successes. In many ways it they're the ones that your most you you connect with them. The successes. Don't they not feel like Yours always because it's always such a high in reality and I've seen a lot of other people s in a lot of bad things, come out of of high points in their cause.

And so it's like one of those may be good luck. They may be bad luck and it in and you as I get older, you really get that perspective. So it's really about do the best work you can Who things your passion about, because you will be operating at a hundred percent capacity. You won't be half ass if something which we I tend to do when we're not fully engaged so find some you, really love you're all, invest fully with the people working with, and the people who are you in your close circle of friends and your family and put all the energy into that and do not look outside that room. Look out that window, because ITALY, their beat cheering crowds out your window or it's going to be people throwing tomatoes, you dont know, and it doesn't really matter and over the law. Long term you're gonna have a very fulfil long, sustained career and so in. Although on I am I like to promote to stuff. I do and I want to see it do well, each other, a journey and an eye is made me much more a lot

controlling of anything but the process and an end, since I've done that, I found that the work is really continue to go. And in the most important happy and that's, let's not forget, that's the goal, we do forget that, because you get so obsessed with the thing or the or them you know them, the material goal or their I need this thing. That's gonna fix me anything in the new relays like going in the day. I should really be happy, so it doesn't matter bring I mean you ve, had great success right and when These things happen that you thought would make you the happiest. Did you feel the weird crash of this. Isn't what I thought it was gonna being whether it's a toy you got or blue or like almost instantly that it's more like the anticipation of the thing is more power. Careful than the thing itself, because once you have a thing like that, don't do this. I just knew I wanted a thing, but I never walk for the process of and then I'll. Do you know, have I don't you never think about that it, and then you see,

bad cause. You're, like I'm, fucking up the success of this thing, because I'm not appreciating at the right time- and you hate yourself for that- and it's like you like I'm, so you get so disappointed. Yourself for not enjoying the these blessings. You know in it and then put here's the things that you do like and here's things are too sort of went out every what else on tv and people quoted and dress up and do bootleg tee shirts of some. The line the nor Wall says or something like that it's so happy from that, because I feel like a light that shining into the world because of something I was part of same thing, I'll get somethin every once in a while. You know you try not trigger

feed on twitter, but every once in a while. You know like if like, if, if I know Swingers has been rotation on cable or somehow look and also maybe like. I just got over a break up, and I watched your movie and it made me feel better will honour on a certain biological level. You know we have this need as human beings to essentially scatter DNA across the timeline and its that's. That's an artistic way of doing that because you know without always, you know that alone, be there I mean it's impossible does collaborate. Those things will always be efficient or not. I mean what are what is? Who are you get a picture of yourself from ten years ago, there's not one cell. It still alive right, but yet you're still you so there was some transference of something other than material that too Who you are- and maybe it's just a tech process of important bill impulses, firing in your brain that create this consciousness. Maybe we're just a really good, biologically base computer that has a sense of of

of being sentient. I dont know what it is, but I do know that whatever it is it's in your head. You could connected to other people. Not just whatever you think is the. Murmurs of who you are and ass, I get older. You start to realize you have children some have. You was in them, and so much of you spreads through your work to other people that there is, I think, as people do you know this summer, people seems recently have been passing away, but you still their presence, linger in our culture and we are creating remember our bodies are not to get too to word about this, but you know all big complex living creatures were originally smaller creatures that have like mine Andrea worth of another creature that was eaten by yourself and then they created a symbiotic relationship and now it's part of Europe. Nucleus, you now and and- and you know, they're alive

complex preachers and overtime slowly come together and I wonder if they ever realise, when they stopped being their own entity in part of something bigger I think, as we get interconnected with the internet and social networking and computers we're forming look structurally? It's not unlike what a brain is like that's what our culture there were already at this, this we're forming, there's, big communal and and the more we are against one another. The more you fight that no more you pull together and specialise in different areas, the more it the more you begin, I'm not saying were becoming a big brain, but we're emulating the structure of it and as different groups of people communicate more quickly in full. In purely were able, as a culture too, to rise above what what once hamper us as individuals back in the ice age and will live better and there is certainly room for greater bad, but I think the

it is out it over time and I think that being part of a part of this culture serving a purpose and you could actually infuse been positive and in that helps move forward in a big way, and it's just the beginning. Of a feeling that I'm getting as I am now in my late forties, but there is something to be four being a positive influence and whether its interest entertaining people, sometimes that's enough honestly to take people's minds off the bad things so that they don't fight with the girl for, when they got home real in their kids. Right, like that's, that's God's work, you don't make somebody lad and then they're not gonna hit or kid you ve done it good thing. Well, I didn't realize this until my dad died last year, which is that the legacy that people leave

similarly, what you're saying is that it's not so much like the size of the statue they built yeah, but what the effect that has on like that's. The legacy is like well, how did you a regular yet? But how did you effectively? That's where people sort of become theoretically immortal and live on its like? Oh his, he did a series of things that are people in certain ways and and change the course who decides who the divorce dad that, when bowling with his kid that look this kid that look forward to doing one of your dad's place, yeah right and now they best experiences in his memories and his learning experience and with with fathers ensigns it's it's it's interesting and I chef. I know we haven't talked much but there's that there's a about a dad whose whose we know not been the best father who connects with this kid and totally understand like. I think you put, that the way that you wrote your character he's not a dick yeah but

you totally understand this kind of cats in the cradle thing. That's happening, yes, where it's like. Of course he wants to hang out with this kid he loves, and but he does like he's gonna work and you don't worry about it. I should about this. Then he is about to night. You know, and I was a kid from a divine me- I'm not divorced. I have hopefully I'm a better father than when I'm depicting in the film, but I was a kid the divorce, and I remember that that pining for attention and when you know, when I see it I see film sets like theirs. It doesn't happen a lot but like like when the stunt community there's a lot of apprenticeship of children fathers and see dad's working with you, Age. Kids are kids, know twenties. The time when most kids are could have what could not have to do with their fathers and watching them, teach them skills and bondage through that interdependence and the passing down generationally of not just scheme, but a value system there's something. Pure and in a pre industrial about that that seems to be more suited for a species than the scalable

education system that we have not so you know, you see that hand down of something? We don't get that in that you know there aren't candlestick makers, teaching candlestick makers for the most part anymore, but you do The bowling alley and the kid figures out early on so consciously that he can impress his dad by knocking a lot of pins down and next thing. You know the kid loves bowling and wants wants to know being born familiar and how to do it right and binding deeply with that you are making. Intergenerational bond that that kidney at that moment and so system. I d back what you were saying your dad may not have ever wanted to do that you have. Maybe you want to be the best bowler. It could be. The next thing you know he's got a place where the people who come and do it reaching other people, and now the sudden you you ve won one for the for the good team Eve,

put some points on the board on the side of a light. You know and to me that's to me, that's ultimately what makes everybody feel best when you look back in scale the world to that kind of tat view that you get as you get older if you wanna, that knows points you like to have a not how big of a monument you built, because at the end of the story that I saw with chef was about, it guy who essentially is fighting it. Is becoming less selfish, given He does you actually get stop it. He that's what I'm saying that he wanted before, but in a weird way in Canada, the matter because he's just happy, you just happen and that's the point and that's what Swingers is about and that's what the big picture is about, and that's what you know that daddy's picture. The picture one I've ever movie at its very, very a very strong- and you know.

He goes all you gotta make videos. Yes, he starts Kevin Bacon. Chris Gaskell's forgets direct erected, it worth checking especially if you want to be in his own business, it's it really kind of is the very silly, but very, very very cogent. It's less dark, then a player in terms of like this inside? Look it I'd like it supervise Martin Schulz in it tools and MIKE I'm a keen and and its if it's a unifil story and so well so well it s a kid who comes out of bacon that kid, the comes at a film school gets a shot, gets a deal at some studio and then just come. Wheatley while the death of a thousand cuts to his vision of a compromise at every little artistic made at an end was it turns into like a beach com. I mean I don't and then and then he goes to the full cycle of itself now hoping it holds up. I think it should. I haven't seen a few years, but but of my strongly marked shortages best, but that's

That's the deal and that's the irony of it, and you know I fight very hard to not work out of town. You know. And to be around for my family into and to be a good dad. More than a good filmmaker. I mean that's honestly priority to me and in the irony you you don't have to choose You could do both and, as a matter of fact, I think that people who who honour bound life, whatever version that is for them and that being better artisan, better, you know it. It makes for better product. The food takes better they're happy, I really think, and its It's it's a tough! It's it's a tough racket. When you, when you're, not dig in it, no matter how how well you're doing and it it is. It is a very the statistics- are not good for successive of people's personal lives for people who are very ambitious. It is you have to really consciously try to two to allow

I'm not taking note actually taking notes on it. I mean armament. Like ten years ago, I asked someone conversation Tomkins about stand up and was like what are you what's here? No, I do you know still trying to figure it out. Even at that point I was still. I was five years in the midst of know and policy like well have fun on stage he's like. I know it sounds weird, but just have finally, who Yeats Post fun? It there's to be an element of its really fun. Now is this fund enough, this is amazing. Is it because it great? This is great because there are so many nuggets and here for people too and me in particular, as someone who's, you know very ambitious, but also to try to remember you know. The balance is very important that it, if it gets to top heavy, then

if all over yes, but should we do a few dick jokes or something for the other, the restaurant instrument is very very and it's gonna caused me to fall over and looked like a things that lacks Yosemite was about to turn it off. There was about to turn up to Digital hung with us again when they got. There is one step agenda, a sort of another kind of Swinger nice boys. I did want to point out one other thing about chip which I really which shone, and I move either the term is every cover like yeah? I want designers, I dont really will cover of something. So here's. Why will you know movies traditionally score right and then and then you had movies like american graffiti and they come in Scorsese stuff. And when I noticed I was watching us watching a lot of Scorsese Alot, of course, easy films, when

he's doing on actual per prepping, to do Jersey, boys, which ended up not doing and later Clint Eastwood did it's about to come out. I am looking forward to seeing that, but there was a while there. I thought I was in Jersey. Boys now is for some reason, looking at a lot of the Marty stuff and what I found was even with raging bull. He wasn't doing score. He was doing needle drops from records, and I had done. In swingers and made and what happened. Is it first of all, it creates a wonderful way on a smaller film to create tremendous mood because it's like a playlist, your ear. You know it's like you're playing on your Ipad as even if you're getting on the bus going to school. If you got the right song on, you feel very heroic and it does help guide the emotion violence of the audience, but it all it takes away the artifice of of news the comments through and with school, always feels a little bit more manipulative another certain things, I'm game

work on jungle book- that's something I would you score for, because that's part of that mill you right but in something like this, I, like my comedy, to be very naturalistic, I would rather not everybody got every oak rather than certain people, feel like certain jokes were too slow, and you know that the The movie their head of the movie so movie like If I want to feel natural that the company be natural, the emotion to be natural, the performances in the right to be natural and answer the food should feel very authentic and real to what would be in the kitchen. And so my having these needle drops, you gets a inject a tremendous amount of contacts and emotion and an inch in choices to because its, if you, if you but there's the type of music. We chose mention what on the food a lot of the songs. Were ingredients have other song, so it may have been the song like that

white lines took the took the hook from was a song called cavern by liquid liquid, and that was like a post, Punk New York band that premature flash took the base hook from so there's a lot of songs that you'll recognised, but you ve never heard this version cause it's the underlying like mother, sauce key ingredient. It doesn't it it doesn't feel like they couldn't afford the real version, so they made their own. It felt like old. Everyone did. An interesting version of bats are found yet the and that's how chefs think they're like how Dewie deconstruct this dish and put it together, and so and there's a lot of latin flavour and cuban music, both classic and a new stuff that they're doing there now and then we got a new Orleans. That is a lot of great in a cool brassy New Orleans and they do when they do a brass band cover up stuff like we have sexual healing reviving roses it like theirs. Much energy and and vitality to it, and you know you want this character,

go from this transformation of cooking in this this french restaurant Brentwood. Where the menu hasn't changed in ten years and then go on the road and slew truck and just be cooking, bull dishes, Dustin Hoffman, said Dick here hit in the in the mood yeah it'll be innovative in real and butter I hear he plays the owner of the restaurant, he's what was really cool about him. Is that if you really but what he says he's he's actually not like he's. His point is well taken. Why keep cook the food that that that safe, that people want to eat because you'd be of customers coming this restaurant for a long time and I love your menu and one. You know you don't wanna, go to you know in and out burger, and then you don't have doubled like. I want to go and get when I like, as a customer play that it's, I don't care

the hits. I don't care who he says they say if you went to a stone, show and jacket and play satisfaction, would you be happy that makes an artist like God, wanna get man we're like? I now know, but is there any part of that? That is almost The almost saying that to you as a director of like hey, you know you could make you could make ten more iron men or you could make something. You're really passionate about my thinking. That of silence. I think it's always a balance of knowing what your excited by in the dude in the movie just can't figure it out and screws everything up. I've always smarter than it and I have known how to be involved with things I can give it my all and knowing how to maintain relationships, even as you change your degree of involvement- and I think you know the case a marvel. It was as if it's been a great ride You know- and I still am, involving still in our executive- producing films with them and appearing in iron man three, but it is

applied without ass man. I forget my love that God, if you listen, I found I listen to his appearance here. Commissioner. Come in, I should actually get our story of its ideas. You know really saw him grow. Not just from like. I, the stories of the days of x, men, and so he always was our resident in a historic in about well this type of issue was using this movie and he also has encyclopaedic knowledge star wars and STAR Trek, but especially star wars, so kill in also he'll kill, pull every blot point of wrath of car out of his back pocket in addition to and I went to the archives by the way at the ranch with him, where they have all this obscure. It's unfair call memorabilia, but this you know this archived, it's like where they put the arc of the covenant. I've been there. Oh you been there. They literally have the arc of they have the phenomenon of an. He knew

we say that we were going through the curators and he knew everything before they said it was like uncomfortable aroma. Before I went in the curator was like put your hands your plan with areas like that was done. The extended content from that was the drum from the jet I extended Reed Mixed she's allocated resided monopoly that he knew at all, so you know, and he was a dude hoo hoo again into his own on fly during iron man, because he iron man he stepped up during armed and then went off to do Hulk so hope was happening as we are I met he was doing, halt and then in the editing room with us, an iron man, and he was There was a very good thing for four marvel for growing. These people is that they there it's? Not a big operation is there's a limited amount of people doing a tremendous amount of work has been very good at what they're doing and and

saw him, go from bring ideas again he's an easy guy to collaborate with because he's he was never. You have to do this. He was never lie, but he always, but he had always. Strong points of view and would be very compelling and his arguments, and it was Let's try this. Let's try this. Let's try this. He had tremendous patients, and- and so I saw him go from and then Disney also required Marvel remember in the middle of iron man to show there was all enable any view is setting up a ventures in his mind we're doing iron man to show was all this stuff happening in remember when you're putting everything together in one big ball. It's like my grandma taught me. You know if you're crack and eggs into a batter for a cake. You crack each egg and little ball smell. It make sure it's not bad, then dump her with a ventures your crack in every egg right into the batter cause one bad it could have ruined other franchise

that we're going for your answer. That was a tremendous degree of difficulty and then to note a higher jaws who was uniquely qualified to proceed, the comic book. Knowledge like like, I was good for them. For four imam because it was gonna, be ok, let's say what with what it would really be like to have this suit in the real world and Ghana Stan and with the voice from the guy from frontline like, let's really have now, but I dont understand how who wins what stronger Thor's hammer or the cabin America's vibrating and shield or what who is I kind of got the whole thing with the hope, bus pursuit, like I understood that logic, but but this is, level. Love of sophistication to the understanding that both Kevin and and jobs have about the internal logic within the books that I just I'm not I'm not a greater export them audiences and would have been very hard pressed to have done what they were able to do

now is a spin and out into the next thing, I'm hearing great things about Captain America what is all this great yeah yeah, I'm Superman regarding guardian, so you saw it before I dunno on part of the marks I have a guy is what I meant guardians looks great, and I love that an ant man, you know me in me in your- were next week, there at the first comecon, and I think o six and I love EDGAR and he's gonna do Sutton Mendous with that, I love it there now they're, not just spinning out stories that are with the cast in tone that had been established originally, but now there branching onto these other areas where their views being the tone and letting filmmakers bringing he's been there, always very good about drafting talent and getting the filmmaker who's got the right skill set that they could augment support. Work Maybe they can do it all on their own, but you know it's it very safe place.

Where you know you're not gonna, be allowed to fail to step in if you're lost now step in and and and and help you it's really is now they really are down it's it's a it you know it's truly studio and then God they get thing they have. Trained us like animals to sit through the credits, get no way, there's gotta, be certain. That's better, be a ghetto. It's it's! It's it straw! and it's in its in its into it. So interesting out there, like the gold standard, took as they were much like, level originally was. They were kind of the subversive you know drunk Lithuania has now they through these flawed characters, and you know it remember those DC and all the established. You know that the whole cavalier clay era golden age. An immortal steps in and in does all these this crazy comment on that on the architecture of the comic world, and now there

Now there are neither a brain, that can launch of guardians of the galaxy, and I think you were excited about it like there being rewarded for their risk taking so again enter funny Guy James Gun, funny guy I get so excited when I see what's good common and marbles about humor always was it like back to you know stand the main aim is its social we ve been, you know, that's been the dna of it and to end to find that opportunity. Without blowing mistakes of the thing don't comment, you know we operate find humor within the reality. So it's it's it's exciting. It's it's strange to be with you to see what this, how significant of of presence that universes now and in the movie world respect remembering how tenuous all felt at the beginning. It was all very that was one where was like, if I screw this up, it's not

the whole thing's Gama and they're gonna lose their characters like I was reminded, we lose our rights to characters if we eat this doesn't work out of thanks. A Mamma would already have always so like I was there and they gave me a shot and- and at which it was like, but date they ve he's been rewarded for four taken for taking risks and up, and they really happen he now there. Your worst outing is still success. In our blessing was there, it was your. Do you have a full a book online was it you're a photo album on Yahoo once it was Jeff Bridges right, which I thought when Japan, ok yeah, because I just very intimate pictures

only like only three people in that room would have been allowed to do their job bridges you around its energy is increasing. The bottom lawyer has websites graze agreed for target. You should check that out the people watching this they have that may have been Lebowski. He doesn't on all start in these four years and he's got one of those wind up panoramic. I think I could rush panoramic plastic camera that, as you take a shot, good lens actually rotates one hundred and eighty degrees, so you can run from one side of the room to the other and be on the other side of the photo. So I guess part of it is like take a picture sad face unhappy face in the same for yeah. Well, this is a mean we ve dominated alot of your time, and I am it's been so nice chatting with drink. When I met you a comma, when we met a couple times, we were its unanswerably first talked about this long ago. Aren't you remember just nod:

no it wasn't. It was COMECON. We were at a priority. Comecon was it yes, it was in one of those after her eyes or another kind of yet, and the reason I know this because I have never been sentience it, but I remember I run into you. Will thank you for making me look like eyes was. How can I make him not look like in denying just out of all the events and all the things that I never take? That's that's fine, but I meant when I met you COMECON and you go here, really enjoy the demolition of Pakistan's like you. Listen I don't know why you think A famous person said something to you. You're, like oh, your people. That's right! You listen to me. I like that. I, like this format- and I you know if you remember, unify the edge of the original it technically original pie and of us had cast me ass. It was one of those things where where it was like they need. Rating. So much then it was. It was great content with we got in conversations with people and less concerned with fire

for ratings with the tonight, show it was like either you gonna. Each so when you can and that's whereupon gases is like you make an appointment at your convenience. You can listen and listened in depth to somebody speed. Beyond the normal talking points it they normally have an and each podcast has it. Frank personality, and you know any in your guys. Personality confuses the way, the conversation those in its it's. It's a very enjoyable experts. When I see there's somebody that, even if some I dont know I'll, listen again the shot but like when I some of them curious about what makes them tick to know that, I'm that I'm going an hour to hear you get to the bottom of it and in itself with my tv time. You know me where feels like it's it's something we're out. Do it one driving when I'm lying in bed and becomes. It becomes

were intimate experience than it would be watching a show where your beer presented two here, it's like you're. At dinner with somebody or fly on the wall, and so it's nice, I looking forward very much to doing this, and it's been, it's been it also never know which way you guys gonna go with it. We never know because we always a sort of depends on the energy of the Gatt, However, what they want to talk about and where it can go, and we cannot let it dictate, and so we should not knowing I mean well. Good or bad. We dont prepare in the sense that I just don't ever wanted to feel like an interrogation what happened on an evening- and I like that. But yet you know enough about your guess that they never feel like their having to fill you and who they are, what they are, which is the way you could go wrong, which you and your attorney enough, and you probably get more sincere reactions at a people in some insincere story, and it goes because you're not is never the feeling that you're trying to pick at some. Or bring out.

Thing that somebody doesn't want to talk about me. We're not you know we're not, but we're not like british journalists, and it's like wondered. Why didn't you know like were its. I think when people feel safe when they started go, let go you know, I can just be a human being. Then they open up a little bit. Yeah could not crack Harrison Fort would see, ok, Harrison, Ford, here's the chicken Harrison Forge because, of course, he's the treasure trove he's the man and not just just being around him. Is uranium freak out around if you want to get to the stories, but if you ask him he's very much like so the trick with him is. He has been a lot of time with him. He catches. Do it like an interview, but with me on the set with him first, He tells amazing. Jokes is a great oak teller and today entertaining and of itself. But you want to get to the stories, but you gotta get em angry. To get him a really talk, so you gotta be like so with

Your idea is one that is one I gotta get twenty minutes and I would have to get like and then like Bible or she would be like you, gonna talk and talk about the blade runner voice over without you, gonna get him to you, gotta toward it Bob where she was on the Ceta kept so is like. There was this understanding that I couldn't do that without him around that's absurd. If you work only gonna get it once you right in the conversation again, so I got them IT runner stories I got the am. I love you. I know up all night at sixty. Seven, nine and also the flying is a whole other thing. We tell them about a little bit. He opened up a little bit on their oh yeah yeah. You should die. He had been in that place After all, we are used to find the helicopter to the set in cowboys millions and in the end he fly to the ranch and we'd fly back, and when it was

it's a land Judy goers was land here. Would you go? I was Chewbacca I did feel like. I was too large for further for the set there and that little helicopter, because you could touch that there's a little stick between uneasy, can't touch and as one next to you that you can't touch and of course, all the switches and then we he says. Let me know if there's any wires cause. That's the one like this. Low, wires online bomb on on a swivel looking for telephone poles, which you gotta know like I mean if I- I wish they would be the one time it would not be rejected. Gonna helicopter of Harrison for things like, even if it down what a great way. These awesome attitude he's great he's a grey pilot and takes it very, very, very seriously and has a great ally of beautiful planes, and but Now he is a good sign that the african volume he's the best I mean he is like he's what you hope he would

and he's got the that heart implied in them things. It has a lot of charity work and he just adjusted. You know one of the classic exterior soft truly centre, good dude, Who really really takes his craft seriously and gives a shit and will be there in discussion ripped as long as you want to and beyond the sat and and knows how to be a movie star and makes everybody on the set around him feel lucky that did there and Craig was also amazing, because your day occur. It was a passion for was into for the Craig and Daniel Craig is the type a guy who's like her. And was he always treated, Harrison like the man and, and just let him paid him tremendous respect. And when I meet him would just be like, I can't believe we're working with Harrison for it. I'm glad you like it, it's so nice to hear that you still have those moments. I mean like that. It is because, if you don't than maybe

No it's time you do something else. If you dont still get excited by those little nuggets, now stop and go away. I can't you know where you gonna call someone who is looking to do you did I get it. I get it. I got it with dust and I got what s in half an hour chef. I get deafening on it with Harrison and uneven. Robert, you know, even a Robert, was coming around four for a gig was I was starstruck when I met him and he always had this air will. You know you ve used. You talk to him right. Whatever tat, we never had one, you never did. He just has an air of a guy that from men. This confidence in his ability even when he was the guy who is fighting to get the job and when he did that screen test. I think it's out there. I think they put it out at some point on something, but when he did that screen test am I really work on Mattie Liberty? Who is the m, the camera man who came in to do the screen tat? because a lot of it was like mature, they always

young young, younger Silver Mattie Mattie could work with him. I think Africa, and so is like Mattie yet come in. Let's do the screen tests right, let's lie them, let shown how good we can make this. This guy look and he did and then he did his screen test and everybody was just knocked on their ask us here. Did the scripted lines he improvise, he just was killing it left and right, and then I turned to me. Do you believe that he's like that's by one expect uppity Athena Matula shit and he had that kind of swagger and he's one of once in a generation guys that you now and I got the the the amplitude of his career, the high the difference between the highs and lows, I don't think there ever has been- and I can't imagine it ever will be such a swing like that you're coming from below sea level. Up to the stratosphere, like people nowhere and jump up people.

The career have come back but to be written off by by by most people and then too just be embraced and they like one of the top three people in the industry, and I think that number might be smaller than three unjust because he knew no two franchises and then got this other think all the judge and small stuff in big faithfully. Thankfully, he came in and did not chef, and just now, is it. You know it's if it really does feel like every duck and bugs by that, like I'm their grinding it out the whole movie and then he walked to the screen in the theater theatre, just tingles like it's like you like, like Johnny Fontaine, who walked into the wedding right wasn't that from Godfather. If I say I J Forte walks in urban and just destroys in in the couples in a couple moments there. So the Yoke great dude happy for him.

I've been very, very lucky to have worked with, which is good, not just ten. I think- and I think my big, my big- if I've got a superpower, it's like. I got a good eye and I know how to put good going ahead to hire people who were amazing at what they do and then they make me look good and as for be behind the camera and and and certainly for the talent from the camera. And it's been that's. When I get frustrated because with you is when I see something in some one and and it's not obvious to everybody else, and if their fighting me on those type, decisions. That's when I really started that's when I get very Do you understand we can do this don't you see it in and then the old and you can't blame on which they have a different skill set, but but in this in this, world where it, we'll have to sign, often be comfortable and making big commitments over time, whether it's for tv pilot or a movie and use that: somebody's really good and and and its hap I've I've been present for people going through that part of it.

Career a number of times, I've seen it and and I know what it's I have a good sense of it and an evil I'll. Let it go if they're right there and you can have them and you can plug them in it to make everything. Everybody dreams come true, not just the wrong, but the movies in an you have to fight. For that. That's that's very hard, but that's it! That's that's when it keeps me up at night and in an fight very hard for it and then, when it comes together, it's it's it's, wonderful and and and in the fight makes it even that much more satisfying and then to seat to see them do so well, it makes me feel very cost then you're, of course, to that. You recognise the judge, to judge that it in and see that others and that some and that something that's

I've grown to really appreciate in chef were used, since it was kind of a swarm of renewable to Canada, have Carte blanche with the because it is so many ankle of so many different levels of chef. If you don't like chef, it's all on me. That's what tell on I kept its all the responsibility I like in it. I play the chef. We got this great kid that I found it out. You know Roberts, Papa and Scarlet Sophia Regard John Leg was AMO, kills it kind of Allah, Romania only as a rustle, Peters Novice end, just on a whim like hey, where my army, you want to be in the movie, come on down, yeah he's only the movie for like a minute and his yeah. Really now it's a great saying: yes, we place Asia, Miami plain the copies, half men, it was, is some of it took some doing of trying to schedule them or get them come around, but there's no money and it was the votes. There is also no time it was nothing you knows, and it was in oh and, and

You know it was always people that I was chasing after and saying. Please do this. I would love to have you here's the scene in its written. He know there's not a leap of faith here here. It is here's what we're gonna shoot it Oliver plan. Oh yeah, Amy, Sir Darras. So it's like every single every single person was, you know I got it I really have to justify that that much money. So there wasn't there wasn't My whole thing was this one's going to work based on how good it is not an end me at the centre of it all, I'm not like the biggest Marquis name, so it's gonna have to live. Die by how well people like it and- and you know I just want to not have any say in casting the script or where I shot, and and I made it all work, and I am confident that by the you know a negative pickup base. We have a budget that even when Ireland was that was not a. You know that

studio, cashflow tone that was life. We have this with my to make it and I've always been good. Come out of vin of knowing how to do something for the budget and I know how to get the most out of it and I'm always you know where we stand time on budget and as long as you're responsible like that you're, given a lot more latitude, I found, and so with this one it was like it's exactly what I wrote? What I wanted to do work for the shifting. Roy, who train me and sent me off to call an airy school, and I worked in his restaurants, arise from from Kogi that Kogi Dry yeah is about Europe. Answer town we frame, and when is one such about its coming up it it's Platt, forming I think it may ninth is its when its first comes out and I think it's gonna. You know how much your when it's gonna hit every city but soon thereafter, So it's one of those things where it's like. I'm gonna get the I'm gonna get to be under the glass bottom boat, this time looking up into the boat because normally

when, like iron man, stuff comes out, will I hope I don't like the little fish like gold watch out spider, bad? We pay a load of extreme right. I helped build, is going to grow high powerful, but I need to get these is that I think I think we can I think we could sell out one theater and every sitting. I think it's gonna be you know, and I think I think this type of thing is really cool, because it shows people, you know it's obvious that you care about it and it shows people in Austria. This kind of movie. Remember like you could do this kind of began when it's. Obviously, somebody only did because he cared about it, doesn't have to do this yeah it it's it's it's. It is wonderful and what's nice to his people are like we're it's out by South West and you start to see what people, what people think and people connecting it to my earlier work and that I feel like it's, same voices as swingers and and and and made and the same, the humor, and now it's different. This was fingers

with these guys. What's going on now, it's kind of like, like their people who We ve seen that movie a lot and they'll get. My rhythms and my sense of humour and its and it in and now give it a shot. And people who don't need everybody to show up like on the big ones. You need the people who can adopt Digg. What you do to like you know, that's got it kind of like have a very, is gonna, be a big ten, that fits everyone in it. This one. As long as everybody who buys a ticket who who likes my stuff, where likes the food world, food ease or people who want to see something Father Son story and something that's again we think that was about escapism. This is about like looking it really looking at at. Real issues in a fun way and hopefully uplifting way and that's more the purview of stand, a comedy or essayists sure but move? tend to all be now big escape. This, let's see

somebody else is dealing with. This is like, hopefully recognised. The use of social media. You know, like the whole twitter thing, Facebook thing and having getting into getting sucked into that whole world and being a lot first learning how to use that stuff in bed. Ask yourself with it and ruining thinking you're, ruining your life by tweeting. There the winner. So you know so that that's what that's kind of what were what we're going we're here and and that people are are laughing and digging it and and feeling something. Most importantly, that's and that also like the chefs or are looking in saying we got the food thing right for so many movies had not to really learn about the world of being a chef in having that point of view and making food like you were saying who sang to me about who they ate was Debbie. Listen, I'm sorry Devil said she she she she saw it and she,

the mistake of going and on an empty stomach, and only I had always right after us in just the sort of enclosing at someone. That's what but you an idea, dare you scare sketch idea, I figured, I think it's going. I think it's a winner dinner for five adventures, with them all at a table, and just let them have a conversation. Is that what they did they do? The shore machine wasn't I, yeah. That would be, you know, to hand in cars doom just talking about how do not just mean the address, like the actual like get better and I remain or is there a hope, just shoot and the shit just talking about a normal things that these that these characters, what will that's what jobs does do doesn't need is like just to make him talk about being a normal? Does he got the cats I mean once you get that pieces there. You know what I mean you could in this light

stuff? I know I don't know everything about what's goin over with vendors, but what I do know is. It's really cool and really fun, and and seeing it all what its grown into. Is still is the little surreal for me to see that how it just living and dying by one film or so trilogy of films it, but it's like this whole this whole kinder. Open source comic book playground. That is turned into that now. Even has remote worlds that have the opportune, Youtube, bring some excitement to it. And then also now what's happening with like. I want to see what's I was spider man I mean she's me Superman and in that man I want to see what they do. I want to see what's going on now with all the spider man stuff in the villains in there you know, see now there is an assumption. Raw of interconnecting different

these that are controlled by the same studios in it, which really emulates what the but the comic labels, would do absolutely now show so it's really becoming even larger representation. The form so that into me there is very that is incredibly complicated and fascinating. Would you please again? Did you joy burrito? I would say that I was going to answer you count or they have to do it no say it likes. Hitchhikers guy came over the line, enjoyable you have to say my seventeenth century. I think you would you say this every time you there's this restarted essay theories have zones like it's. Finally, my strategy that you get a free burrito, that's worth aren't way, came up to me on the set of

and he said John I just I just can I just want to say something: I'm not I'm not a magnet looping inside joke. Look it up on the internet with hoping we don't know enjoy burrito. I ask that is theirs. It there's a shot and an when you get back from the road trance and when the door, so that is that a reference to swear, not consciously. Ok, if you look at the room and you look at the thing and there's a lot of, of course, it's about the sun and not about the gap, about the girl, exact, that's kind outlets spoiler? Is that part of it? I was just curious, plays there's that there's an oasis boiler. It's maybe it's I'm sorry! It's it's a gathers dears. What happens? What happens? Is you

and I would I did- a q and a with with change Cameron. So I looked all of his work back to back and used to see things shots care. Doctors situations. We keep coming back to those that yeah and it's almost like an artist doing a study like a painter. If you look like the sculptures leading the piazza there's a accept, of hand now the man other doing so makers, not the different, though your constantly. Onto similar dynamics, archetypes tones themes, and so I was consciously like I'm gonna reference, my own thing, but as I watch it. I was like, while this is there's a lot of these Twenty years later, there's a there's an echo of it, but not clearly enough that it felt it felt, but you really But for me who knows every shot where I didn't realize because I was in the scene, I started to set it up here and the apart.

It also has a sort of washed out, because the low lying all learn on area that was with with with swingers as well. I guess it was back because it was outside so yeah. I guess I'm drawn to that. That sense of home is like this cell yeah. Like I figured residents, it is gone back to her. There was such a good like it in a one sided phone call with with with emotional impact to which is also which I did notice as we are doing. But you know it's really you you're, seeing that's what's about having a very pure expression movie of something that is coming out of your brain and you're, not going through the gauntlet of scrutiny or or adjustment, as you can, in a very clear snapshot of, what's in here to me at this moment and what's interesting is in pure form. It does go back to the last time I had that that freedom, which was too just write, something and then take that script and get it made. Yeah

you know, I haven't really done that since, since I've rewritten and work on else. Everyone and done work on our managed and work on things that had not been made things that have been made, the page scream, but just right from your guts onto the age, makes certain adjustments, but not so much and not really question what it is or what it's about that. You know that it's it's inspired and then have that hit the screen and a very accurate way is again not for the faint of heart, not something out. I think Imma be doing all the time, but boy do I did I have I had the best time on this one and I'm so happy with how it turned out. So it was a really good, really gratifying year, tell like there's, the movies are just so fond to watch and just as you and I like them It was you talk about just like food culture and internet culture and parenting, and also there's a road trip aspect to tat, which is like less likely

easy rider like they just took the camera and the motorcycles may just went across the out those like let's do that. Lets me Oda Austin in New Orleans, and let's just let that be our backdrop. Why not yet why not You know it's not like a day or two in each city like it wasn't unaware we set a date. We shall all that stuff and You know it's a vicious it just how that freedom, you know, and an also shooting, like First Friday, Abbot Kenyan Venice with all the xerox. Let you know well, it was really on and put up saying: hey, you're, here, you're going be in the movie. Yet their energy, like swingers, had of the real environment, yeah yeah, yeah having within each time you went in it. Just doesn't nothing reminders, research funding them like the east side of just like less feels and never I've lived and since I moved out here, but it just like like when you were to ask- and I was just like Us- a cooling Austin outdoor- we arrows and there I, like you, know by like the right

Yes, everything and we went to like French and treat the irony. We are going to lie bourbon street in winter, spot and each town, the cool music plan and get that again, the authenticity of because everything they want in, do when they give them ass an ok. Well, if we go to the city, we could get a rebate and you could make it look like, like you, don't get it. That's the real like. I really have to go a little Havana and really gotta this cuban club. I call my air cassettes where I saw a real band and that's what I want to feel like I dont want to use, be some place that we hang up. Signage in the valley in it hat and the extra look different. Ban, should be from there and so before. Music in the food it got it is a real texture to it that gets rubbed away so quickly on the big students. Then just being a soft are to be honest with you wear

it's no worse than semi watching you too? We drop more than one F bomb, and now all of a sudden we are and which was the same thing- was swingers. The savings made Jerry said earlier of such views, but you can't have you no. I want the shifts in our light kitchens or not, Gee places, there's our language and in the kitchen some saying my parents want, but the problem is that the model of- and this is part of wine- you know the digital ages encroaching on the movies costly. The movies are still in a cup people's heads offer have you Peter thirteen, and but if you, if you have you, no one thought might slip. I can't I guess, but now you're in trouble problems, but that was what I wanted: the characters to speak. In a railway way and so

so so it is that, but again just if we keep the budget down, you can have their freedom, but I want you all the things that I wouldn't would never be allowed to do, though, all the little changes. You make to double your take, the box office, you know peachy movies, don't do much better than our movies it's a shocking, are like a horror movie about a brass comedy that take full advantage of it. But is something we know you lose some of your audience, but I think the audience you get is gonna feel more closely connected to it and it certainly I'm gonna feel more connected to it and- and that was I just want to be something that was it since your expression, when I was going to have to work, to promote something or even just cause, you get more than welcome to the new member states I, like top EU issues onto my gone, so much fun. You know it

you mean? You know a time I got a lot of on also like, I think, all the jungle book stuff ones that starts to come up when with the technology is it well we're trying. I mean that the what school about it is that we have both in the Kipling is greatly, is this. I love you know me, I'm a star wars fan and they told you Campbell Approach to mythic archetypes is so intrinsic to the the Kipling work But the Kipling work has a very harsh tone at its core and most people's experience with jungle, but was sixty seven animated failure that definite drew. On it, but it was more, was it was waltz last movie and there's this? cool endless summer of I said the boy ending of him and blue. That is necessarily implied in the Kipling and but that's part,

Our dna is Disney film. So I want to see if I could preserve some the tone of of of the of the Disney film while exploring you know, you're able to make things more adventurous intention and real world by pulling in fact, Kipling and I was very well served in the end in the mortal world by paying honor to the underlying the underlying ip, but still try to preserve the tone of what that medium presented. So, there was a fun there was a personality, tire man as they as was expressed in in the books, and there's a tone implied by the film version, but there's this cool intensity and something that makes us feel a little bit more relevant and a little bit more exciting

if you could combine the two in a way that doesnt betray either that's the sweet spot for me and so as we're pulse trying to pull cast in you know it's it's. It's getting very exciting and the process could take a whole other our to talk about what we're, learning and and the approach that were taking, because it's it's really interesting waited. Break use this technology that I got to play with with with iron man in a way that now Dell's into not just the world of spectacle and humour, but also to the world of emotion and showing You couldn't show ten years ago because he's not at why redo at WWW only reduced if there's a reason to if there's a if there's a You can do something now, but you can't do that. You could do I m in ten years before but in a post transformers world now hard surfaces were much more convincing and it can take you out of the movie you to see it is produced

What is a contest for make a wish in the prize was to go to the ranch in and have breakfast with George. He our yeah, just all these incredible story, about how places were born on the backs of you know, of jaws and godfather and star wars all coming out and all the stuff- and he said you know season was really go. Coolies aware in our ranks, for we had to do any also described- is inaccurate. We were popular last night. What are you gonna? Do pray do up space, offline storage? Is he so I mean he's not kidding with that any droid? That's the added pixel

So much of it came out of his his. You know that little hurrah builder from Northern California he's any kids that same brain is what made all of innovations happen that allow us to do everything we do. The treaty that we are already doing now, no, he basically a lot of money and he's just meeting our films? Now we also understand so usually living there that these are experimental? What do you want to know is one of the very low tone although I would love him to do you know, I'd love to see what his american graffiti is. Yes,

I come back way later, I'm gonna more, even if it's just about what it's like to be, a billion will be or what it's like to be. You know, too, to have that much attention clearly is aware. It has a sense of humor. I keep thinking of how the robot chicken stuff, what Ojeda writing that addresses. The torrent is he's. You can not guard His prepared for anything you can say, dab in special effects for star wars. In the first time, I've been in my ward, this, like original crew shirt, what her

your when we get it. I've been waiting for you. What I mean I kept this is. My son was in full view, and finally, I just I ruined it by the is the original star? yeah now leaving noticed dot com Are you alright