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Keanu Reeves Returns

Keanu Reeves returns to the Nerdist! He and Chris talk about what press days are like, how he got into riding motorcycles and they talk about John Wick: Chapter 2. They also talk about the character of John Wick, Keanu talks about his extensive fight training for the movies and how he chooses the movies he wants to do! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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and this is Jerry, Arizona that road it's a lot of the news of the yes, I support what they're doing I just hey makes me giggle. They were words a burly fellow he snorted. This episode is- Keanu Reeves back on the podcast. You know the first time counter came on. We only had one slash two hour with them. I think it's the shortest podcast in Nerdist, podcasts, history and all one hundred and fifty one episodes, but this time he was kind enough to give us an entire hour is great. He was great and I would feel bad. You know when we go in and we get people during their junket day 'cause. It's just one day. You know you go to that, so we were at the London hotel. So it's like you, show up in a hotel like this or sometimes it's the four seasons or and that the whole floors just dedicated to press and there they just take a man, the actors in one room after Another- and you know they just asking a lot of the same
Stine's images dragon around and you know it's asking all the same questions. Well, no because we value our people, we get to read the cover a lot of these things. So it's just it's it's just I I I I just you to try to get someone to go. Okay, you can just relax and have a conversation, when he was great yeah, but I, but I was so bad for them in those moments and I always feel like I'm sorry were you're in your I don't get it! I'm not just asking you, I'm not trying to get sound bites, not doing sound bite. Look sound bites, so John Wick two, which is as fucking great as you are expecting it to be. We watched it the night before he came on and it's just fun. It's just a fucking video game, all the videos of him doing the training that, like going around the internet worse
so cool like he looks: okay, there's some great long shots of yeah, just the physics of the get the blood spatter everything about it's great. So there aren't. Is it me there's never should we give like a spoiler war. It's not really a spoiler there's one thing that happened in the first movie. That doesn't happen in the second movie, we an we mention it in this one. I don't think it's enough to ruin the movie for you or anything. I just we can't really, I think, is going to be difficult to take it out. 'cause. It just leads to so much other conversation. You know! No. I think I think, if anything I'll make more, People want to go, see it yeah. So John Wick Chapter two in theaters this Friday go see it still making great movies in the year twenty seventeen. This episode is also brought to you by blue apron. Not all agreed so created equal. Not all ingredients are equal, other fresh high quality ingredients, they make a difference. Kate
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everyone gets very inquisitive yeah, usually about the things your doing, which is ok. You know it's it's putting up posters, you know you want! You want people to know about that. The show you're putting on it. Yet I know, but it's a whole separate. I always ask everyone about it on these. On these junk days, because you know when you first start out of the business, I I don't think anyone ever thinks. I wonder what I should practice press date. You know it's like you learn acting you go to acting classes yeah, I don't think they're doing that in Yale or not, and they should should be doing the press today, Maybe that's yeah. I mean I I know for me way back when thirty five years ago, you know going through that junket experience was definitely I and I'll. I like,
I'd done publicity and you know- and I know that you're putting on a play or put a show right. The players are coming to town right. So. Fundamentally. I was completely on board, but the experience was definitely in the beginning, shocking yeah. Did anyone give you what was it for like razors address or what was it? Let's see, which is the one I'm not the one that pops out in in my head is the first time that I went to Tokyo for a point. Break got wow that far in yeah yeah and then yeah yeah. What was it just? The name was it will love number one of the culture I never been to Japan and I guess, let's see in America, yeah some of the Toronto film Toronto. Film festival
I'm doing some junk. It's there in press interviews and stuff, definitely yeah. I I to me it seems like it seems a maddening now, because we're in such a culture of Tory all content demands where it's like every site has to put up twenty things at fifty things a day and everyone just for some little angle and is like, if you say anything, that's even that someone could rip out of context and make it to the press today, so terror lying to me, you old out of conduct ruled the easy, but a good, but the the problem with today's modern ripping out of cut checks is that at least at least tabloids you in the 80s. You know there were only a few of them. Now, one person get something. Then it always gossip right right results will always gossip, and you know the photographers waiting out
side, the hotel and all of those things. So it's again it's it's classic! Well, how do you you know so when you're a young kid- and you know you're coming out of a hotel and there's a million photographers and you're not used to that? Do you think? Oh, this is awesome or what the fuck is happening, or is it the latter Yeah? Definitely well, you know when I have a you hope to be able to have a kind of separation of public and private and- and you know you know not necessarily have people intruding on. You know your private life, but I, on the other hand, it is cool when you get to meet folks, have what you've done and like what you do and you know give autograph take a photo or you know. So that's I'm I'm good with all that, but.
Yeah no yeah, but the peering through the hotel, window or me take your picture while you're filling your motorcycle up with gas and then it'll be at the just like us, they're just rs us yeah their human. We are. We are human beings until you don't want us to be exactly it's a shitshow. Well, that's the thing is that so many people, so many people really have this impression of you and people You know who are in entertainment as a two dimensional thing like I see you two dimensions. Basically, I don't ride. I don't really see it, they don't it's almost like. It's fine yeah is it is it I mean? Well I mean yeah, I mean it's not. Is it fine wait? I have to stop Is it fine if part of it are the old part of the deal that you're either oldie but a good? Yes, you would.
Famous unless I was a paparazzi taking your picture filling your motorcycle up with gas. Exactly you owe your career to Maine. What about the film like yeah yeah yeah that too, but this definitely comes this picture in Philadelphia. I love that you motorcycles because it feel it seems I I I was well. I was but I was in San Francisco over the weekend. I was way buy a motorcycle shop and I went in and they have, these amazing triumph motorcycles, I'm terrified of motorcycles. I am flimsy by nature, and so this is, I just think of myself like getting. I'm at the shop thanks a lot guys Roop like right into a pole. Exactly so is it was. Was this: it was my cycling like a lifelong pursuit for you, or is it something you did later, I always want to ride motorcycle as a kid, but I didn't really have the culture around me like. I didn't have any friends who rode motorcycles and then
I moved to LOS Angeles in eighty five and twenty, and then I was I wanted to. I older and I was a british things I want to do and it was like. I want to find a motorcycle, so I ended up learning how to ride a motorcycle and getting a bike in and then that journey started which you know, in LOS Angeles, is amazing, right, sunset, boulevard to the p c h into the sand: hot holes, traffic people not pay yeah yeah. I have buses that don't give a yeah. I was that bad oriole in the a little bit of drizzle in the whole city, shuts down your sliding and then, of course, don't forget about you know the choices that you make. Of course, like. Maybe I shouldn't be at that high rate of speed
all of those shots of tequila, but it feels so good. I mean there's nothing in my dear agents ever say like they made me. Please don't you your motorcycle. Could you know do that. I mean when you start a project. There are some agreements that you have to sign sure you know like you will not ride your biker jump out of airplanes or none of those. Only If you're John Wick, no, no, I mean any, you know if you have part of your, you know you health exam. You know you have to go to the doctor and get checked out and part of when they do that. On that document I agree not to, and they make you do, In the movie like well, that's, ok, because, that's you know yeah! You know profession super insurance, yeah yeah. It seems like my wife and I watched a movie last night. It's fucking great cool, I mean I'll cut.
Print out 'cause. This is a spoiler, but we were real relieved that the dog didn't fucking die again. There was like when the house blows up like no fucking again, and no and then he comes up and licks your face, and that was almost like your way of saying, like we're, not going to do that again, so that you can't kill a dog again, it was so import the first thing I completely. You know the movie itself, the first movie two really spiritually is kind of John Wick. The movie itself is almost the character of John Wick right, it's it's violent when it needs to be, but there's a code and it efficient and it just gets in and it gets out and it's fucking great, but I just loved so much we're going to give it for the audience. We're going to give you every reason why it's ok, that this man murders like one hundred people and you're going to be not only are going to be ok with it you're going to wish he kill
morning. How are you sick, there's, no and there's no end to the river had no effect at all yeah. We definitely, I think from that premise. We kinda, if you have that off to that guy, and I I and I I like what you're saying that the film is the guy and and I think I mean I definitely continues in the second in the second part of the chapter The film takes place five days later and and you know the first thing he does is he's going to get his car. That was stolen and he's, trying to reclaim his life. You know and stuff happens, some things happened, but there is this recurring theme which you know as someone who's really wanted to address mortality in my
How old are you forty five forty five yeah that it's like? Oh wow, can you go back? Can you you know because they it's just this? This life in particular, is never gonna. Let this guy and make another choice. Yeah I mean it's in yes, it's choices, its rules which John abides by right, but they're starting to connect, crimp Miss start kind of started to become the conflicts with life that he wants to lead the Choi is that he's made the pastor coming back to collect. I mean it's really fits for comical to me, the you, I feel so much empathy for a guy in its like any picks up and it's a picture of his wife and he has a moment kind of feel so bad for any literally just killed. Like thirty people and your little house, not just thirty people, there, thirty horrible, be there thirty arch view.
There are at least cover you know in the underworld and they got a job to do and you know he needs to see you know they said what happening. They won't let the fucking guy and let's leave me alone- just wants to go home with his dog. He just wants to hang out to grieve. I mean we're playing with that expanding that kind of idea that there's John and John Wick right and in uh and in this picture you know. John Wick is fighting for John right. You know John the way no John, the guy who doesn't want to live in the world anymore of the underworld who gets you know he has a choice either. Do it he's kind of bound to do to pay back a debt or or die right? You know so John Wick takes over and he's like yeah. I get it but
there's a price to pay. You know in in in a weird way, John: we keep digging a deeper hole for John right. You know, so it's that conundrum of like? I want my agency, I self Agency, but in order to achieve it, I'm optimizing. Any possibility of that actually ever happening right so which delicious well- and you mentioned you mentioned- are magically delicious I've I've I've! I'm I mean this is a tremendous compliment, but at one of the reasons why I love the second movies, because it almost feels like Harry Potter for assassins, you know there's like this whole world that the rest of and if he doesn't see, yeah and there's this whole, like magical world of you know like assassin and this whole the good the high table gets introduce yes and yes, yes, all of that kind of the clans of darkness, and John Wick is kind of the chosen one I mean like. I feel like. I feel, like a lot of your characters is sort of like the show
it is like NEO in general. I think all these care Constantine Constantine there was a. There was a really great question on Reddit. Today were someone said if any actor could assemble all of their characters from films who would have the strongest army go shit, that's a really unused alone. Stallone, maybe, but he doesn't really Schwarz and, with the exception of Judge Dredd, they don't really play. You know. Sort singer played was in one superhero movie, but actually your name. You were at the top of the list and re listed all of the yeah yeah. It just listed every you know from speed and then joke about Clint Eastwood, but he just you know he played Plays like gunslinger in like a bare knuckle boxers, you know and and and cranky old race. This guy, you know right. It's like! I don't know. If that I don't know, if get off my lawn is that threatening as an army, but you, but I kind of feel like I can feel it. You know. Do you
you think you would have a formidable army as the with old, like all of them all of the cats and the cats yeah. I just I wouldn't mess with them. I don't know if they'd come marching in trying to like they're all kind of reactive, aren't they very reactive they're, not really looking to take. What's yours? No, do you I'm going to try to keep. What's there's it's guys who have guys who are just like fuck. Just let me live my life. Maybe I made some dumb choices in my 20s, but for fucks, just like get over it. You know what I mean Heaven and Hell John Constantine wow. You know this was brought up me two is like how many Johns, if I played, I notice that yeah yeah. I don't know, I think there might be six or seven I don't know, but I think what I've got Army of John sounds almost punk rock punk army of God's new band, are you bad? It's a bad name. Army of Johns. Actually, I know, were joking around, but I think you should seriously consider it. I think
seriously. I'm gonna, I'm God I'm gone, but what's great about it. Is that it? I think, because I think a lot of your characters do sort of represents the there's sort of aspirational in that way of like oh, that could be any back. I could be anybody John, like he's this very in one part of his life, he's this very sort of visible generic guy and instantly in the matrix. He was that guy in the beginning, and but it's this untapped potential that he has like every every man he can be, the the extraordinary story of the strong demand, the you know, but through the struggle right right through the fight to the discovery yeah, all your guys have to go through a lot of they got to get yeah. I know of chats to help keep the director of a chapter two here. He he kind of delights in
yes, crushing John Wick get hit by cars and thrown through windows and beat up and shot, which is kind of funny he's like yeah. I like just you know, fucking with that guy with fun, because it's you know you get that kind of will, and so you know you get to get knocked down a you know, brush it off and live to fight. Another day, yeah, but part of it really is you know, someone said someone told me that the number of moves that you can do in a single take was, is kind of a legendary in fight training and stunt circles, because they're like yeah, the amazing thing about Canada is that he will He is like a lot of performers like okay, one two, maybe three moves in and they got a point, but the amount of folk, for you have the amount of foot you know
yeah. You know I don't know I'm making that up, but the amount- let's just say it's. Fourteen okay knows that. Doesn't sound. Let's say that the vote for Gonna do that: okay, yeah thirty! the eight hundred and thirty eight is great. Any blog could pick that up and just reported as news and it's fine, that's what happens in reality. This new reality yeah as long as you say it and they can source it doesn't have a new fact. It is a new facts, alternate effect, but apparently there is redeemable, is regular. There's a there's a saying: yeah they're, exactly the same, exactly the same as well as like a it's like it's like paying for groceries with like Bit Mcdonald dollars or something it's a dollar to dollar was shopping at somewhere. It has value, it doesn't have to be here, but doesn't matter new fact, but it's just that. It's just that amount of amount of focus um. You know I've benefited from a lot of training and and a lot of great teachers and um Deafen
when you go into John Wick. You know there's training because you can fake a fake punch, I mean, like you know, throwing a punch and then someone faking to get hit, but it's a little dick and when you do on a judo throw a little different in the Jiu and and then also with the gun work they wanted. You know wanted to give me the opportunity to do a lot of gun training target, shooting and just to get. You know to be able to be comfortable with the weapon. Center to be real with them. You know like yeah, like I can do that yeah in which I think is part of the fun of watching the movie, because you kind of get connected to character. You watching him go through these fights and to do these things, and so for me, as a zipper, former it's fun to be able to be there to create that connection to, hopefully the enjoyment in the film
So that's the raison d'etre. Oh that's very fancy. Where do you find these guys specially when so much of the movies this character is being defined by? how hard he can kill the shit out of everyone and there's some amazing like video game grade. Yes, it is especially like in the context of the top yeah, so my wife loves that stuff to really cool like training and just the the angles of the shot. So you can see like the plot, the plot against the rocks and Everything Malai, but yes, so what we did with it with the the director rid loves. I stuff. I mean every shot: every
Splosion every bullet head every. You know their house, they they, the math, has to be right right, you know, there's the math is right. So when you I, I guess it's sort of the difference between the the technical aspect of making sure that you know everyone dies and everyone. John Wick goes in to do what he supposed to do, but then how do you as a former okay? What were we go? Find this guy's humanity? You know. I know that he is unstoppable, killing machine right. We know he's this boogeyman character. That can you stop being he's fighting again. I think it's a reactive aspect of it. The humanity is that he's fighting for his life, yeah, right and- and I think also with the with the context of the world. There's a in agreement right, like he's being chased there, shooting at him, ok shooting at him because in the previous scene I might have, you know, killed someone we had no good. I had no chili,
and maybe I wasn't quite at you know it, but then you know someone puts a contract out on me and I'm fighting for my life again. Yes, so hopefully you root for the guy. Hopefully you root for John Wick. I mean I write for I I root for my. I feel bad for the hi yeah lost his wife. They killed is Dari did yeah. I know just wants to retire. You want to like hang out. Maybe it's gonna go fishin. I don't know, I feel like wood working, I don't know restore books. You know I do. I do kinda wonder, reserve places where my brain doesn't okay. So what? If China, because the way that this movie and it seems like water- has to be a third one? I mean right, but but I think a guy like that. I just wonder I get to real within like well. How do
how would he process all of that? I mean at a certain point especially is used as you get older and you get more reflective in you know he can do think its pot even possible for him to process like every thing that he's experience he's the I think the character definitely has synced, to workout and he might need to seek some professional health care worker but right now he's a little busy yeah
and you know, does he have a little post? I mean yeah, we kind of get into that. You know a character asks and you know do you believe in Hell. You know and he's like yeah. You know he. I think that there is, I mean I it's not explored, but I think it's in the fabric in kinda emanates from the character that that he knows who he is and what he's done and where that might be. Morally and ethically yeah, you know and yeah, is it silly to ask, but in the context of where we see him yeah, I think that ' 'cause they talk about missions or like the impossible task that he had to do in order to get out in the first place. I don't know I mean I I feel like when
GM that there is a kind of he's, not a bad guy? He's not you know. There's again, I just go back to fighting for his life, but that's not enough uhm. I don't know, I don't think he's a bad man right, but I guess you is the performer can't Lee ever think. Any of your characters are are bad man. I don't. I can't I'm not that guy, you know, I'm not like. You have to fall in love with the do. You know people like that. No man is bad, enjoy it. Okay. You know good yeah no come on, but you don't really play. I've played a few villains. Do you have a favorite that I've played you know, like all my children, I love the mall. I don't know I mean I. I played a kind of a villain character named Donnie Barksdale in SAM Raimi's, film, the gift, and then there was this.
This chinese kung Fu Movie called man of TAI Chi and I the villain in that he was delicious. I mean he just was interested in writing an innocent soul and interested in death in yeah. That was fun, because he was a little more fantastical right. You know Donnie Barksdale was an awful wife beating beating fucking asshole right. So you know it was okay to play him, but he wasn't sure do you ever you know, after after a movie like that are after we looked on with your vehicle, hey, maybe I just want to play a movie. Remember, maybe I'm just a character who just the it, doesn't really get out of bed very much, and it's just on a on a cruise ship. Most of the time you have a coma movie maybe agree, wake up from a coma and I'm just as bad wait. Wait wait, wait! Wait! Can I be
king of something yeah and maybe there's yeah. You have servants which other people just run around. You kill that guy, I'm tired yeah in Tahiti or like a real low, a real like a low stakes, romantic comedy or something or it's linguistics for met. There is no good low stakes in romance. I get that's true and the life, but in romantic comedy, though that's right she's, I an accountant, she's fortune, teller, It's raggy, it's wacky, the fish. How do they he's likes is forks in this drawer? she leaves her pants on the floor. You know my god, I mean come on you, but you must feel some relief. I mean I I. I suspect that you probably love the grind. So you probably see I a grinder. You enjoy the grind of like what's fucking get into this and let's parse that
Well, what would you do it? Man yeah and then that's that's true of doing the fortune, teller and what was the other person's. What was, I think he was an accountant and the account yeah. Something like that. Yeah I mean digging into the characters in into the story, and dedicating and committing to the work in telling the story is. Is is the pleasure, but I do also in terms of action by love the physical side of it yeah. It's not like the training, and I, like you, know trying to achieve Sir Super perfect in an action sequence in you might be. Might very on this coming out germ, so I would be like I like my socks that way right now. Well, it just it just seems like
fortune, teller, your four you'd be the fortune, teller, yeah yeah the account and that's a way out, but it just it just seems like a there's, so much focus and everything such tremendous amount of focus in. Do you ever sort of feel that hey? Maybe I need to do this for a while, because you everything you do ever since I first started seeing you I'm not that much younger than you are. It seems like you kind of just do whatever you, whatever you feel like want to do big movie small movies main characters, not main characters. It just seems, like you know or like for camp. Movie, like all just do the voice. You know, I don't know why not I'm a cat, you, the cat, so why not to I mean that that's a very specific type of a mindset that seems to operate kind of just by on their own wavelength ride. You know it's always been I hope to try and do you know different genres, diff different scales of films, different kinds of stories- and I mean I I just
I enjoy what I do and- and I like doing weird and hopefully creating worlds and popular work and and you know this for me- it's really the material on who you're working with yeah and that's like if something's coming to me in terms of like developing things, yeah I mean I, I I like doing what you said. You know playing character roles or supporting caster leads, or you know thank John sure, but yeah I mean I feel really fortunate to have been able to do that. I mean, and also kind of seems like it doesn't really feel like you feel, like you're, just kind of your own entity know what I mean like it doesn't have a cause that there are some people go they're, part of that
you know they're part of that scene. It's like you just sort of operating your own space and that's a that's more of a. I don't know its. It's been feeling a little more trailblazing, but do you ever feel like? I have been a better do this or I should probably do this to help this. Or do you really just go hey? This is exciting to me, I'm just gonna. Do it because it sounds fun. I think they're both that's! Those are both true, definitely there's. You know professional considerations of like trying to you know in terms of the acting capacity, I'm a dagger right, so I can't do it by myself. It's a collaboration, it's a collaborative art form and so it's not quite like I just order it up right. So I got develop work. To take to take meetings, but but again, I'm also not saying that there aren't opportunities right so
Let's see. What's my point, I've kind of drifted adrift of a I think it's just has. How are you you know? How do you know or what is it that what is it that inspires your was because some of the movies, like you know what, when their pitch to you, it's like point, break all right. There servers but their pay grabbers you like what is testing for me. I mean specifically on that. I hadn't been in an action genre picture right, so Kathryn Bigelow, as the stories told it's just really had to fight to have me to play that role. You know right. The studio went, Kiana, Reeves, Johnny, Utah Action Movie and Catherine went yes, you know and they were like what are you thinking he's like he's the guy service. Thank you again, Catherine, because I changed my life and that's again, where it's
if you need someone to kind of put that out there I'm a again, but that's you know, that's that address kind you you're gonna, have you gonna talk for like twelve hours today and I'll know known, and I feel bad about putting people down when they're doing a press day, because I'm sure a lot of it's like you know, here's five question, here's a no no. But I I'm I'm just what was your course because of its students? What is it? What was it? It's really just about? It's really just about you know such selection and choices and and wrote a youth. What is it that excites you about something like run? Is it because you have well then it's like. If it's cool I mean to your tastes. If it's like something that you that you like you know you like the character you like the story, then you know often to I'll say yes, when other people are like you shouldn't do that movie. You know, you know
it's too small or the subject, matters too challenging, or that often happens, I guess if it's just a singular populist point of view, sure, and and maybe that's the distinction you know, but you must have some sort of a gut. I guess what I'm getting at is you know I mean your life is essentially everyone's life is the same. Is is a series of choices that they make some good some bad, but they sort of have to you know- and I think everything has some type of value, even in the ones that don't work out, because you go okay, I learned. So if you can learn from stuff right, then you can do better the next time. You know fully, hopefully how's that going for you. Let me I'm I'm, like I don't know what I'm I'm doing. Okay, a I don't know I mean you have a learning disability. No, I think it's healthy to always think you're doing just okay. I think I think you're nailing it too much. You're, not mail, you're, just you're, just weird you're, just weird yeah you're not nailing it, but I think it's bad to swing too far. The other side we look over fill your own yeah. I think to think okay, I'm doing okay, I'm!
Okay, yeah, it's! I think it is healthy. I think it is healthy, but you know it's this specially in in in this business were you it takes so many people to make a thing, and then it takes on a bill to make a thing. Good so, like you know that with the with made with the matrix with that hadn't been seen before, really are not in American Cinema yeah. So how do you you know how when they're going we're gonna do this? It's gonna look like this, and if people don't have a frame of reference, I'm sure there are people who went what never going to work. So why are you the guy that says? I know that can work. I don't know. I really like the script in the stories and and when I met the directores, they were fantastic and but that's also, what made them
optional in in the in the studio, at the time that took a chance on them, and you know they had proof of concept right, so we had the script and they had some images and they had done all the time. They're done like a a proof of concept of bullet time, so there was a bunch there to say yes to but also you know, humans are batteries and they live in a digital world. It's like some Phillip K, Dick stuff, so yeah I could see how someone could say and we're going to spend how much to make that stuff. Well, we need, do? You know whatever? Tens of millions content with. How much is it, but they did in God, bless them all yeah I mean it was hard not to get super excited to see Lawrence fish. Pop up in this movie like all their game on there they are yeah. You know it was cooler. I had seen him socially and and and
He was saying that he really enjoyed the first one and he kind of kind of just not flippantly or only said, but you know if anything comes up in the second one. Let me know- and I was like- I was like, as a matter of fact, Lawrence. There is an so Chad sent him the script and thankfully he responded to the Roland, and then, of course he he came to the picture and knocked it out of the park. Yeah he's a great guy, he's amazing: do you have so? How do you Sept? the the producer by Matt, like a producer hat versus a just. An actor had. I guess you just take them on- and off quickly, right or I mean you don't want when you're in the middle, when you have to shoot in your in since I'm sure the last thing you want people coming go
Hey here's some producer. If things you need to work on this for on this project, I'm not that guy, okay, yeah on John Wick, I'm I'm more of a I'm, not a credited producer. You're, not okay, not no! I just assume on everything you, you, you probably have I have. I have a point of view and I'll ask those questions going into the picture. You know and uh One of the office and check everything out and has a look and what are we doing and what are the resources in one because I like it but to it, impacts the film you're in yeah, and you know with John Wick, two there's a real short hand with the direct are in the producer, dazzle Onikan. What Chad needs with the picture needs, so I might weigh in on that and I'm certainly creatively. You know we were coming into having the opportunity of doing chapter two. You know Chad, the writer
Kolstad Basil wanted to producer and myself definitely there were meetings and definitely involved in the collaboration and the creation of the story that we tell. How do you define with it for you? What is a success you know is it is it is. It is some sort of an external thing like old, VOX officer or covered with the press or whatever. Is it like an internal thing like I know I did a good job on this, regardless of what happens yeah. The latter is definitely number one right. So that's like the work that you did the work that you did it with, and the film that got made and if you feel positive, I feel positive about the work that we're doing then the other things whether the budget of it or how it's critically received. Don't impact me as much in the sense of like you know for me if it's, if it's monetary is which is connected to the people like it in
They like what you do do like what you were part of. That's important. You know 'cause, you want people to like what you're part of them, what you doing so, if, if it doesn't make money with music, no one side and if you really feel strongly and love what you did on the nervous yeah yeah yeah yeah we've been swearing like crazy, okay. Well, that's a dress, yeah. I know what it's like: it's some yeah and then critically yeah I mean you, try not to re reviews. How did the interview this year, God damn it? I did and then you're like, is it going to
Kurt is going to be better. I hope they like it. You know, but that's like, but that's like the date. That could be a a momentary thing. Sure the thing that lasts is really your ex. What will my expiate for me? This is my experience making it in the film I got made like for me a film that I did call generation. I I think, there's a people who have seen it, but I love that film and I love the work, that's in it from myself and from the other actresses and actors and the director and everybody so Bl pieces like that, you like, I wish people would watch generation Sionis movie, but they didn't so, let's drag. But but you know, I think, ultimately, that's just an external thing that you can't control and that can be a variety of factors of you know. It came out at a time where this happened or it just kind of.
But that doesn't mean yeah yeah yeah, but now with Netflix. You know like now with Netflix yeah. Well, that's the thing you do like, but that's one of the real one of the cool things about digital x mission and distribution? That's happened over the past eight years is that the films are having a a different life, but but but to have an opportunity being seen, and so you will get that like responsive. You know on the street right I saw in addition on that was weird and you're like yeah cool, you saw it yeah is there? Do you have like a couple, maybe two or three movies, that you feel like whether they were huge hits or not huge it's, but you feel like. I would really like people to see these couple movies because
they either you know, represent some gonna suffer your private lives of Pippa Lee, a scanner darkly. Yes, what else we got flown out there on on the road I mean if the church, the confirm, moving move. I made man of TAI Chi. Have you seen the documentary did called side by side? No, what's that? Oh, my God, the documentary side by side about the transition from photo chemical, filament and digital we're gonna watch the out of that. No, it's a good one. My wife and I love that you do love whether this is actually it's. It's really cool struck by Chris. Can you have produced a how that's great part, one of the producers Justin's Lazar producer does well, but it's I got to I have this feeling of like I was in a Henry's crime, another nice yeah, yeah Vera, Farmiga James Kahn, nice movie. Romantic
and I was working on that I think was two thousand and eleven and and right there I was just seeing like they were doing: digital color and is this conversation happening between the digital colorist in the photochemical colors, as we were matching photochemical film and did and then there were the new all these new digital cameras coming on and- and I was like this- is the end film and so I start on this kind of journey for a year and a half of interviewing people about that. The end of film new hot that moment, yeah. I did because while we were making it ever flex, stop making cam for chemical cameras and Panavision and it was really coming to the area Laxer was coming, and so I spoke with cinematographers and filmmakers George Lucas, Christopher Nolan. I mean there's a Lars VON Tree
Steven Soderbergh Robert Rodriguez. So we really doing like the new digital David Lynch would early video. So we the kind of going this transformation from did. Video to to HI cinema cameras and then just the end, the Then we get into archival end you know: what are we losing? What are we gaining? You know what is the difference between photochemical photochemical image and a digital image, and so, if for a and a gun into Digital, and not really at all things, Digital really, the last piece was the digital camera right made. It all possible right, I'm in so side by side, is about that. That's interesting, especially because you have so much access to use access to people that most people do
have access to yeah. That helps I mean we went to a film festival in in bit ago, which up Poland, it's called camera image and it's cinematographers, festivals where we started, and so basically we had couple of guys, director producer and couple cameraman and, and we basically rush to film fest and just started interviewing and because I was there, you know I've seen the film scimitar side worked with known me. So it was safer right I would say, like. Oh it's, Kiana, Reeves, ok, yeah, ok, I'll, take ten minutes and talk to you and then from that we kind of gained a reputation. And then basically I was writing letters in contacting people's managers and agents and saying wherever. However, whenever we will come to you and bring you into view of us with our can I- and can I interview my god- that's amazing. I would imagine the first five minutes of any of those people really before sir
this who'd wonderfully consider Neil, you know I think people are fanning out. You know that yeah no yeah, but no no by the way I feel like it would be NEO of winning yeah Constantine or New yeah. I mean it was kind of a dog. It means in in the within the matrix is kind of a god. So I guess within the matrix? I guess it was just like ok. Well, then we're choosing the venue right we in reality or we in the digital world. I wasn't prepared to get that. I mean what a race is home field or what's the weather, like I don't know, what's what's going on, I don't like the sun blocked out the humans that have to defeat the machines. Are the the people's batteries well reality right and Constantine puts his.
Our arms together starts, begins, rat and here come the demons aware that NEO all right Funcom S, all right for you to Constantine. I should be able to totally fair. It's totally reasonable. I you know if it I I've, I've been seeing. A lot of people seem to keep throwing the bill and TED question at you, and the reason I do is because Alex Winter was just on the punk and rugby like when he did the dark web documentary- and I always I always spoke about that- he yeah, you know you know we're still talking. Are we still talking about it? We're still talking about it, but still talking about it. I still think it would whenever you decided to do it. I that you want to do it, we're working on a script and we're waiting on. Do you know of these entities we're waiting on the business side of show business to get their acts together right because it's a cluster far. So there's mgm, and then this other company stx that's trying to do it and see that that's really interesting to hear because a lot of times when people
So you know people who are not in the business go. Why don't you just do this thing and it's like? Okay, usually when something doesn't happen, the answer is lawyers. You know yeah really the problem. So the weird up soon so maybe just give people give you can just give people a little idea of what with something like this or anything what the process is. So they understand like it's not like we're, not doing it to punish you like it's just it's just a process will be. You know that the writers had originally. This was, I think, now, seven years ago, it come to Alex and I and they had an idea Chris Matthews and Solomon. Yes, yes as to to tell another another story, and so alex- and I was like cool: a rift in the road, a draft, and then from there we had a producer. We brought Scott crews on board, who was one of the original producers
and and then you're like looking for a director and then you're looking for a place to to pay for it and hopefully have distribution, and so that's MGM and then MGM's like, Now we don't like it enough and then this company Stx was like yeah, we kind of like it would like to do it nstx in MGM have to start talking to each other right. So you get into chain of title to get into rights, and then they started to go. She and there still are and then yes, the x, wanted some different drafts, and so the writers do some Jeff and drops in the doing free drops in and you were like, you can't do that anymore. You have to get paid, but then who's paying best. We who's going to pay them if they don't have the rights to it
and so it's it's. So that's the struggle becomes the business side of show business, to kind of, find the funds and and get the rights and pay the dove to let the creative skull. I think that's a good at least that you know that can help people understand it's never as simple as like they're just not doing it. You know they know. They know everything, especially in films. It seems like it takes so fucking long long too yeah process it can be. It can be and then there's other times where it's just like. Ok, we've got the funds and we're going to go now or we're going to big bar, in steel door we're going to leverage a credit card. You know different levels where you can just say: fuck it. Let's just go naked. But even then you know, you've got the leveraged credit card or you've borrowed the money and yeah. So hopefully that can get all paid back Netflix except for mini series. Whatever I mean, I don't know, I'm just sometimes things come out. I don't know yet whatever at everything, meaning Netflix APP, Netflix Netflix flicks.
It looks the shelling out, though I think it like Netflix of all entities in the world. They feel like Netflix just go here. Just take a bunch of money will make it yeah. Fucking great Wait! No, it's cool, I mean it's. Definitely I mean that's. Actually one of the things that we talk about in the documentary is that the digital realm has really cry the possibility for so many people to tell their stories. You know, I think it's really helps with documentary and we've also see The impact of digital streaming and digital communication affect politics and culture. People are shooting movies on mobile phones. You know you get and four k out of your mobile devices images projection, quality, theatrical arm, so the means of production of become, but there's also the expensive version of that, but it's also impacted exhibition and distribution.
Sure Netflix in streaming. In all of the other ways to our to get your story told her sing, I mean it is. It is definitely the re it is. Is there good justification for the digital culture that we live in? I also you know. It is kind of interesting to me that there are matrix themes that seem very applicable to now, which is great, which is people sort of build. And these digital facades that we live like you can create whatever truth or reality you want. If you surround yourself with the right algorithms, to tell you what you want to hear and it's kind of weird, it's kind of strange that that's where we live. No, I know it's crazily diabolical and then you know in here comes virtual reality and VR they are yeah, that's going to be a whole other bunch of fun and games. I was telling someone virtual reality. I was like, I feel like there will be a addiction problem with virtual reality because,
Why would you want to live in the real world if you could live in a perfectly idealized reality for most of the time you get out to eat and p, but other than that? You know I think it's kind of like that's a dog shit. I mean I was the dark side of that idea that was in popularly intra. Used to us in the matrix but and then it's developing a tv show called user that was just about that like if you can sit in your home and you can travel and you can have experiences- why go to real life and part of that was said. You just go to real life so that you could pay for your artificial life. Your you have yeah. You need to be able to fund it yeah. So this is basically junkies who were just you know, but the other hand of that was at like. But if you were blind, you could see right and if you couldn't run you could run the beach if you couldn't swim. If you were, you know paralyze, you could go if you could fly right. All that stuff's great most people would just be like. Does
the sweet, the swedish or working on it there's? The behalf execute is coming to you sure. Let's just put this suit on put the goggles on foot good day, but the year plugs and away we go, and it's got a I and it's got a I to have a conversation, does feel that the warming power of the haptic suit yeah and you know and which I mean, if we're going to go there I mean just the the Neurochemistry behavioral knowledge that is being gained and starting to interact with these new technologies. You know of virtual, reality experiences. Basically, implant into your field experience Right Emory, but in the end you can't really just
between. What's real and you're just going to have the same experience, yes distinguish yeah you're not going to forget that you're having VR, but it's still going to feel your brain neurochemistry wise is going to be activated. Your action potentials are going to, God become inactive right, so dates just so fucked up, that's fucked up, I think, like our generations chat, nobody, but people would say to you that's fucked up, but then they would give you the other side right so think of how you could do therapeutic psychological exercises and treatments and think about. Travel and experiences that you couldn't have in real life, but you could have- and I know, but I just you know why can't ignore ten thousand years of evidence that man time will take anything good and try to put it on its dick. You know what I mean is like that's what that's, what killed,
without hill you with it yeah. So it's yes, of course you know it's like every great superhero movie starts out with uh. Oh, we did this to try to help, and then it went horribly wrong because well I mean you know if we go into like entertainment, you know in terms of culture and is it is it to teach and learn and a full the mirror up to better ourselves and artists generally try to do that. Yeah. I know, but then there's also escapist entertainment right right were I don't wanna think about anything right. You know and I I want to get my synapse is turned off and I don't want to you know I just I just to watch something and be entertained and think it's funny and all of those kinds of things do you do what you wanted like direct a bunch of stuff,
ever 'cause, he seems like you love story telling. I do indeed, Sir yeah, you know I'd love to direct, I mean I had one chance to do it and I'd love to have a chance to do it again, just trying to find a story going to find a story to tell yeah it seems like which is hearing you talk when you almost kind of did that with the documentary, but it seems like you like, is sort of uh, this kind of like where we going almost the singularity up at all, like the curves Wiley and like go. Let's, you know we're all grey, an optimist right, you think so there won't be any food and they'll be no weather and we'll be in caves, but will be better. You know, rice all get it I'll have a you know, artifice alarm brain mind thing: no cancer! Everything will be known,
black mirror. Did you watch the black mirror black Mirror's like yeah? The last season was really. I thought I mean I enjoy them, but I thought the confrontation of humanity and technology. I thought they were really clever and yeah and really on point in just a little bit. You know they had in more digital immortality and, yes, you know that choice Some of the behavioral kind of you know the aspect with the bees. Commit murder and yeah so that there's some IBM. I think art can do that right. That's been on kind of like watch out, was coming. You know so as we're kind of winding this down. Oh my god, I can't believe is almost an hour already. It's not felt like an hour. No, not a good clean fun good! No, I appreciate I appreciate it well as it was it was so much The last time you were on, and it was really you know. I just want people to come on to be comfortable in that sort of feel, like they're, being grilled
particularly with someone like you. You know I I'm such a fan of what you do that I don't I try to like match that down a little bit. Look we're just to get. Is yeah sure now guys are like ouch in an artificial environment in a hotel in West Hollywood on Friday morning, Iverson, no right, yeah conversing. Well, they get that's with the part of one of one of the best things about the practices is like hey. These are people that I like and respect. What's it like to just talk to him like people and not, you know like grill, so that's I you know, that's why it's well. A lot of the questions come from sort of Chris was how this for you. I don't know. I think it's at this moment, there's a moment right now. You don't, I think, what he hopes. Twenty, seventy. You know what that's a great that's a great question. I think that's a great way to KERA will will each sort of talk about happiness is to us yeah you have to confront it. Kenna was balled up on the couch in a fetal position like he was told he had to do his homework. Happiness is not homework. Piano. Have this not homework?
You're going to school, you were going to school, I made you probably val you'll, see me walk out the door, but you don't know where I'm going. I will have drone make sure you go to school yeah. Now we can just bug kids. Go back going yeah, yeah yeah, just like tagamet now I know you can go to search for your safety. I'm doing this. Just I'm doing this for your safety yeah there is there, is you know, that's it, but it isn't just a question like what it. What is it because I feel like we're so inundated with so much information at all times, and I don't think we're really. I don't think we can really process how much information were matching and good stuff, bad stuff, neutral, stuff, and so lately happiness for me has been kind of disconnecting a
uhhuh and being okay with not having to be so, do not know anything kind of I mean in a way to unplug a little bit and to sort of be you know in them in the moment and appreciate something and not be thinking about the past. For the future or what someone online said or some something like right, do you you do you agree with that or what do you? What what it? What is, what is what are chunks of happiness for you? How do you know when you're of when I feel good field, I mean you know, I I've. I'm not really plugged in to for me doing, but you just spoke about would be like yeah. I I maybe I but I can answer those emails, but the
Yeah I mean I'm gonna, say some really fundamental basic things, but I mean you know experiences with your friends doing good work. You know being involved in work You know I love riding motorcycles. I have a motorcycle company, uh subtract, I mean I'm really. You know it's like yeah. Some food and shelter we love yeah here and there hang out do some things with you. Can I mean I feel really lucky to to have the resources or the opportunities to do both. You know pursuing creatively to have a chance at things. You know I mean, do you give yourself that sort of reward like you, wake up? Some
they go hey. You know. I think I actually been doing. Okay like or do you like are not always still going to do this or I can do that or you can allow yourself to feel like hey. You know what I mean I have to. I think whatever it is that I set out to do I think of doing it. No I'm! I guess I'm a little, I'm I'm a workaholic, and so I I I I a n I like to make things you know so and I and I do feel like I do- have a ticket clock, so the the mortality, the wonderful mortality punched in the face right with age happens. So, but with all that still yeah, you know join the simple things, but we're going to die now. Wait now no
no, so no you're immortal. I feel like someone I saw. I saw some rooms on red or something, but it was. It was like a candle. Read through the ages and it was like a painting from one thousand five hundred and eighty that looked like you and one from like the 1700s look like you, and it was like eight thousand four hundred and ninety four two thousand and four now and you're, just with the exception of different styles hair lines. On the say, you look exactly the same man. Well, that's my ancestors then, because I'm I certainly haven't done anything to earn ticket, keep that show going. There's there's no yeah, that's definitely whoever came before me and what I inherited well what's left, then, if If you feel like okay mortalities out there, whatever like what's left, what is it that you feel like? Is there any point? I got a quote. I got a quote parenthood movie that your fantastic in law, where Jason Robards goes your
never crossed the goal line. You never spiked the ball. You know he says that to Steve Martin and it's just like oh fuck and the older you go, oh god there's not really you know. So what is it? What is it for you that you think that you got? I don't know, I'm not quite journey destination person, you know, but I you know I live in a like. What have you done lately biz for me business sure so, and I also don't mind that in the way that you know I'm a bit of a gypsy, but I mean you you want to make good works. You wanted. You know you want to have the experience of of that. You know I love acting, of producing trying to help other people have a chance to tell stories, you know, I'm a part of a film called to the bone that just got well received in Sundance. So there's a there's a little. Not
there's a little spike in the football there yeah and then it's like okay. That happened. So, what's in the moment over now and now now what I would have now, what you do so it is there is. I mean I guess, that's a that's a version of a beautiful bourgeois rat race, I'm in a beautiful booze, walrus another great day, and that's the album name. That's the album title for the band that we came up with yeah does the band name was of the giants just yet the the job number, but all Johns all the job. John Johns. Was it all the Johns? I am John I'm John, I'm John, I'm John yeah. If you could, if you could tell like you, know, nineteen eighty five Canta Reeves, who just moved to LOS Angeles, with a fresh face and a song in his heart, if you could tell him anything, what would you say with the you know that much runway be
what would you? What would you tell him? Well what I tell him to see what's coming yeah? What would I say what I say give me to go. I mean I would say, turn around go back. That's definitely not heads out of the question. Do you mean, like advice or warning, so that if I sidestep some of the trash yeah and the pain absolutely Should we sidestep pain? You know, like pain, is pain. Has its plan like yeah. I can't tell him not to take that motorcycle with that crash. 'cause, that's kind! I survive so all's well that ends well and who knows, if that taught you something that you were able. Use the later, you know what I mean right now right learn from your your greatest enemies, your greatest teacher. Does your failures are the the things you learn to your next success? Yeah Well, these are all going in the new fact notebook! No because you know there are these things because they're true and
I don't want to leave that kid alone. Just let him make his own I'll. Look at, I mean just say: good luck, young. What happens when I can tell anything not going to tell you remember good luck, this sort of try not to be too awful to other people. Try not to you know, try not to see if, but I was that guy, I am that guy. You know so, and I just wish him luck. So it's a bill and TED landing in the phone book. The circle and see when we passed a bill and TED and telling them where they're like. Oh, this is going to happen, and then this is going to well, then that would be like dead men. You're like you're communicating summer, happy good, clean fun. That's going to happen right! You know you have so much to look forward to like it's gonna be awesome. Well I rate and then maybe they wouldn't that guide meets me right. Then you have that next meeting with eighty five eighty, eighty five kid gets to talk to the twenty seventeen kids right.
And he's like, so I've seen what you've done and holy fuck man? I mean his vagina. Some of that great stuff that you talked about was really good, but some of that other stuff, you could have said something I mean come on, come on a little bit. It's just come off a hint hint. Maybe it's just the way it goes. I should why do I wouldn't made that sequel to feel the twenty twenty five. What did you tell me not to do that? Well, I hope I hope I hope you're appreciating like what's going on, because it's great and when I mentioned it like my the writer's room from one of the shows that I work on a set on job Kim, is gonna, be in the market for a job or to a bunch of the writers who are very cynical comedy guys, really can't wait for the movie. You know that's kind. So people are really excited about and it was fantastic. So I'm glad you liked it man. I love this picture. Mother all I hope people like it. Well, thanks man. It was
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