Welcome the notice pine cats number seven zero. Three, this episode is Lila Port, whose promoting twit, which is its tenth year this year and leaves a guy that I've. You know we ve communicated from afar for the past several years ever since I started working at Wired G for Leona, what sort of love? it's over to one another like hey. We should get together some time. We should do this, but leaves a wonderful man and brilliant and and and and he's he's so he saw at the forefront of of technology in and stuff that's great so I really would throw that we were able to get him on this episode. You happen to be doubtless Anderson and eventually I'll get up and do an episode of Twit. So thank you earlier report. This actually was supposed to go on go on Friday, but I was I was being sucked into the undertow of comic.

Friday, night roll the long and I ran into Katie Levine at Comic con and she was like you know you were supposed to send me an intro to post an episode today commerce, so so I apologise to the opposition was to draw up a few days ago, so we're getting it up as quickly as is as we could. This is LEO Laporte episode, number, seventy three Katy or all the thing, nor

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c c? Is almost reacted, backward harshly in the opposite direction to our stuff? That's what we call family friendly. We try to keep the FCC rules right because we know what we're doing is different. What you're? Do you don't comedy? you dont fun stuff about you, dont need when you're too. If you're talking about tech, you don't need to be late. and we want kids to be what we want parents to feel comfortable in their kids watch, so that that's the only reason rabbit. I like an occasional that occasional expletive will emerge fleeting exe, in what are these instances, are they get pissed off and I say fuck you write what piss you off the mouse. What spoilers is a big one that's a big one right. You know your comic and I've been thinking about trolls. You have two roles of sure. We all have told we have a terrible troll, an infinite number, but it is the same as a heckler. I think it's the same as a well here's the thing it's in there, it's an excellent point that you bring up because a lot of comics will deal with trolls because we see them as Heckler yeah

he'll. Go don't be the trolls right, but I'm tryin to write like this is. What are you can ignore? Heckler? This is part of our sport. You know like it's part of our support to if someone hackles you you go after them and then that is usually a visit them as well. Well, you hope that you do, or at least you get them to a place where they can some people are we in a m in a stand up environment you meet very few chaotic evil. Hecklers whose right all purpose we have K attic evil when similar like you're, like the room on fire and most of all, they have their funding those things I think they're helping yet- and I talked to the audience a lot, so they feel like then tangible participate, but into but on twitter. People will think you out too hell you. You know twenty different reasons, why you're a piece of shit and why everything you're saying stupid, and why you're not this and you're, not that in your dom and you're stupid and- and so really it's just a matter of you know then an end, but it is different, but I think a lot of comics treated like treat them like there,

was this marketing over the wrong thing. This my thing to do is just not not engage them, and also many of them are block them or whatever in ten years, as the big things changed in and out of its because the artist a larger and more diverse or because I think, frankly, there especially twitter their ways that they can do this kind of impunity, but that's what's really changed used to be my feel much more. I brought you have this experience as a committed, of aligned people and they were really into what you are doing. And if there are people disagree, they disagreed, but there weren't these people who are just there to throw bombs and that's what's really changed and has changed a lot. Even in the last couple of years off. You ve noticed. Well, it's you know a lot of it has to do with them. You know everyone has a voice now, which is great. We have a one on one hand you, our societies can limit about archives. Now everyone has a voice, but the downside is that everyone has. Everyone has boys, and so people are reacting to a lot of wrong information. People are people are people are attacking. I was fellow would sort itself out that

he turned over every rock light. The light would shine and and good would triumph starting on one her, that's the kids. You know at the light is the light. Is accountability right if you shine a light of accountability on people and as when it writes itself, because you know a small percentage of people if they had to represent themselves as who they were does would still go no book you anyway right, but most people would be like Oh, I wouldn't worry. I didn't you know because it's it's the anonymity factor that allows people's right to act out in unless a basically let these avenues be a vessel for their very point for their unhappiness and for their rage. But but I don't know I mean I honestly. I think you, of course you have you kind of have to ignore it, but it's it's hard to sometimes here want to really apologise, because

You deserve to talk to. President Obama said you're talking to me, and I just I feel like that. That's really not fear can I do. I have in common with you that I have, I will know it. They'll ask you know I think, first of all, I think more. If they don't make, if they don't force mark to go through bunch of like you have to you know you have to submit your nations. I wonder I feel, like you know his the heat. I know that the White House has a has one team, the same team that let him do the between two firms, which I think was brilliantly up and I think they did did they gonna go laughin access and say you can say this, but you can't say that do no. Actually, I don't think they did. I think they can adjust, let it play how it was gonna play and I think that's pretty benign. Yeah well, but that isn't a pretty Zack is not benign. I mean he's the acted. He didn't do anything. The present was

to make it to make a point about what was it that you I'd, never never would have occurred to me to say how do you feel being the last by president, like that? Never when he asked and that as a conquest and then and then Obama was about most likely really fun. Hangover three was a good like well, I guess you re watching them rise each other some now. If they allow mark to be marked by great, then it's gonna be really good. Cause marks variants raised very good it, but if it's by fits and it's a balance, though, isn't it end, use the advancements, gotta beaches and, of course, someone like you, People like me go what would I ask an evaluation and I feel like I would be asking not political questions. I would be asking all the human quest right as I would want to know What is what is the humanity of the president's re versus the politic right? My original answer as to what is it like, when you're young and you or your hungry, and you want to make change, and then you get yourself into a position which is probably not as easy to

and you thought what kind of idea Westren that's the question, because it's not anything that we wouldn't. You would know unless you are in that position. What what else would you ask about? It's exactly right. You know they the first day in the office you sit down the oval office. They give you the briefing book. Do you look at that? Not all crap right, you say all forget when I set up, because this is far worse ragout aspire. Everybody must have happened. Some like that happened either that or somebody said, Mr Obama. You may be under the impression that you are running the government right, but in fact I have a cigar may as a cigar maker. I feel I have an important. I just think that one of the two happened right some happens will, of course, there's no way because there there's a million things I mean you may want hope and change, but there are things your best friend doesn't tell you. You think there you know like little. Do you think George Bush called up at bury that's just a couple of things,

before you sit down. Does what book it? That's what yeah. I don't know eyesight button under the desk. You push that you know honestly, I think even want to be president. You have to be a little crazy and you know you know going in. Don't you he's not a naive fool. Because he had to he had he came up in pilot. He was a political figure like you know, coming up in politics that things are not, but they frame and things are grey and then your promise that people what they you tell people what they want to hear. That's how you get elected right, but you know you must know in your heart. I can't do it and also in it when you're constituent, when you're theoretical research, these three and fifty million people, you can't, how can you possibly satisfy you want fifty one, that's all you can do and you you cannot possibly satisfy everyone, and you know I'm anyone. You know someone has like five kids, I'm sure they understand what it's like. You take away from this and they now kid once this and you get this on their own and that right once rice a night there like, even if you go we're here to help one,

Why are you paying attention? You know I mean so multiply that by doing from fifty million and it ended, I can't even a man. and it just seems I saw when he treated for the first time right, the horrific racist stuff that followed an annuity. It's you know like it's People didn't you know, and he must know accountable. He knew that was going to happen and that in its pretty courageous, if you ask me that well I mean at the point where your president, I think, hopefully you can just go like Why don't you go fuck yourself? I let you clear arson. I mean you know like you. What have you done with airline right other they make shake. men on social media like Tito, did say what What about any president, it fits takes work to get there. It is not in easy. I think it's a billion and a half dollars now cheese, that's

rads? What's crazy? That's what you know, though, every radio tv station a country's grateful. They love election season. Oh my god, of course huge! It's a windfall for them, because those rates are, they pay the full rate than a discount and they may not pay the bill, but they I'll get it this gun. I mean it. you know it's just is just it's basically, just throwing a den of lions, a pile of antelope and letting that sift through every living. What you want every little piece of it- I mean it's so are our news? Is it so interesting news has gone now because it's it's so much of it so much merged. You know like the blogosphere is now spawn like Napa, that's a term that people use anymore, but that sort of spawned a whole. Style of crowd source venerate the lines between what news and, what's just at it, realising or in and now news outlets, or they kind of have to editorial,

lies primarily shit up just like everybody else, because I know that the actual people want yes and that's what gets ratings and that's what drives dollars, and so that's kind of sad and its unfortunate that there isn't some you knew priesthood, you mean like a stair. Yes, yes, where people don't care about clicks, they just the care, but the truth. You need it that if you know it is unfortunate, that the billion heirs of the world don't get together and just put a fund that aside for news organization, that does not have any, I kind of wonder if that's, maybe I'm hoping, maybe, does not the mischief basis member. He visited Washington Post Chris Users, a facebook billionaire about that. What was a bed new republic? I wanna say these guys. You gotta think they have enough money that gets cheap journalism, cheap relatively that they could you say it. but you could work right, don't worry about the views, don't worry about the subscriptions nor by the download just do it, The problem is, I think it's such a there's. The issues are so complex that their likes it, but many of them are

I can well like there are a lot of like well. You got to you got two branches. You gotta have the report as it affects the good people just do facts. This is the facts. No, no, no journalism, no editorial just light is journalism. There's the facts. You still have your Pandit, your analysed and that's you know, that's what we do. We don't. We don't actually generate a news onto it. We just comment on it. We analyze, it would give you context work, but you need both, but you do need people reporting on the phone don't you think that the idea of what a fact is anymore purchase is hazy, because you don't, I mean you know when something's, true or not right, there are some there some things that are true but its finding the truth through all the muck. That's a chance, and when you have to go through so many different hands and opinions and different voices, and then that's why it's it's important job. I mean enough one when you consider. That is our reason. You just put a hundred bucks on a table. Oh no, it just was its forty, ok and was there was by the way that we will not. I just went tell you that will not get you a marijuana, the card. It say

forty dollars, but it's not Forty dollars, let's false advertising, a pisses me off! You go there If you go down down, I'm sorry my do derailing. Oh, you should do, should derail with them you gonna Venice Beach together, I must say the name, but it's got a lot of people in green and it and forty dollars marijuana card. What is the way I think it was seven hundred bucks by the time we were done, I'm not that made by the programme. The person who did that was right. Wasn't me cracked. It looks a lot like me Mario, the poor Maria my cigar, make your brother Marianna birthday kind of a scam, don't demand we therefore forty dollars anymore. They said. No, that's for the council is actually the whole thing is fastened. Have you done this now? You brought no, it was a report oral expedition, so you go in whose for while you pull the forty bucks just like that is what made me think of it. Who sit on the table is to put your money away. We won't need

till the end now I know why then they take your driver's license say you won't get that till the end now. I know why then they take you to my walk, practically tis to the doktor. Who is this eighty years old he's about for foot tall, he was eating a hot dog I do not even get up decades ago with sugar any send their uneasiness Gallo bread on his lip I wouldn't worry honey. What do you want it for us enough sleep? Ok, anything anxiety, no stress, yeah, yeah, sure, yes and then, and then in the reason I notice I had a friend with me and she did too Did exactly the same thing with both of us. Independently stand up, he has a stethoscope on it, sure, they're all wearing white coats. Stethoscopes is very professional men. You can't though the monsieur professional investors of but on the water, and then he says, ok, breeze, but Emulous in your heart. You possess the scope

I upper right shoulder which even I without the medical training. I don't know what he's listening. I don't think there's there and your carotid artery might be aid rather be nearly an artery. Some sure that is turn around I want to listen His breeze with your mouth, open. Ok, he's a great lungs greatheart, it's good. What do you do for your lungs? Nothing, I just breathe. Since our aim. Here I got any signs. It does exactly the same thing with the with the woman servant exactly down the great long was the whole thing she does, that great ones then you go and you got you gonna waiting room. If it that's what I told the doktor said, my life exercises that's my legs, you you're gonna the waiting room and then a german lady like like big tall. She sits comfort me you're goin to rooms, they closed the door and she says: ok now you for it would be four hundred dollars as women athletes. At forty two issues,

That's for the consultation! If you wish to certificates as another three hundred, you can have it for three months: months or a year in oh yeah, come back here and do this in three not all take it for a year and then they and then you want to look you get a card, so you are old buddy you're certificate is basically like subscribing to anti virus the Abbe the night and then the card it turns out is useless. It doesn't work to the dispensary this energy, and only then, where are you basically them forward, it already has a rich source. But look Isn't that nice, it's a good, pleasant! Look! A little hyaena picture is a nice picture right there So we are allies, this article as billions that it, and that was what was that eighty bucks that was expensive, yeah the whole things? Don't anyone just telling you just gotTa what does humours Epsom? That's fine, Epson, printer mother, the front says

the front the front has the full url right there. You have a point of back here, dad that's the other, the air they didn't it. Clearly, I'm had. I give a shit really down here. You know you know that I am is that by the way, that's the doktor, nice guy, you ever you're gonna get a good heart. In Venice designers? Where he's? right now he says gotta stethoscope on a hot dog and he's asking it to breathe. I should announce that they had a medical certificate on the wall, but it looked xeroxed reared now we can use it can. Is that count to be fair, it could have been printed at all in one xerox, pleasant. I put a very brilliant. exactly a pdf facts it, but I I think this idea of where truth lies is very interesting, but

there is absolute truth. I mean there's something that it sets itself where there is, but it's hard by adding what that is. The meaning is actually not interposing your belief of errors and me when the idea that the the most widely accepted cyclopaedia right now is a crowd sourced website then went though it's good. It's mostly good. There's some stuff. There's your entries a good. It's I have to check it every so often because it's not good somebody said I wrote for hustler for what I like that Really strange? I mean thing to put in there you, you know you're, you're, you're, hoping that the I think the reason than it might not be a hundred per cent goods, because with the breadth and that the size of the organization of course struck my Wikipedia, you know it's. It's me. It's basically a crowd sourced organization, what it

but that to me that is the example of the best of what the windows, but when you think about how many pages and entries or on their very communities were checking the stuff, I think they do a very good job. I think. For the most part, they do a good job, but I feel like a lot of things like there were things on my profile that were wrong, and I think I couldn't you nuts, I couldn't get them changed and we are supposed to touch it right now. not I'm, not allowed to write, even though those were wrong, and so it felt like oh Europe, more committed to Europe rules than you are the actual truth. I'm telling you what the truth is. I guess it's me, but you still it sitting so they need a source you obviously, and so that yeah and I was not up. I was what you do you given interview and then you quote, I would I occasionally I have to go through on the podcasting. Go there. right. This is wrong. This is right and there is a sore they could source it, but because you don't know who the person is whose editing your page, you know some of these but not all of them, but some do power trip Orange MIKE yeah they're here,

we have. We had a run in with a dude who didn't wasn't familiar with a pod cast, but didn't like that on our pod cast Wikipedia page, someone was listing episodes and he felt like that was jumping up there. Age, so he took it upon himself and by the way, when you go this guy's profile, it's nothing but junk rights. All these like it's all these achievements that he it's like tat looks like a digital attic and so, and so he, but he turned around himself, so he made the person who kept trying to put it back on start, a separate pay right just listed the episodes because in his mind and that's where it gets marquise, because that was his interpretation of Wikipedia law. Someone else would have something different, but we just happened to get this I did at a bug up his ass and felt like Wanna, go correct. This thing that I'm not presenting on general its it from most parts worked pretty well, I mean

on all our schools? Won't let kids use Wikipedia is a source of, in many cases, its more accurate than those sources they're using. But aren't you worried that as someone who is? Who is a journalist that you If you rely on Wikipedia for your information or I wouldn't do that. Ok, what are you go at so self On the one hand you say it works, but on the other hand you so you wouldn't reliant. Well, I backed by independent role on the ice. I read it all the time for background its when you're hearing somebody read their Wikipedia entry. Sometimes you get some good background write stuff. Have you been in a situation like? Why didn't happen? Well, actually, sometimes last people is that true right most, the time it is which is interesting. Like. I actually yeah give money over months. I think that's a dyke to me there's a few things on the internet really show what the internet can do and that's an exact. What's the other one

not only do I just want to learn that I did right for them, for one knows that he now now just validated that evidence now they concern than earnest. Mine can really say that that is not, Hudson Wikipedia there's other things I think you should come up with. I think there are community has I think they're communities that are ultimately committed to good, but nothing is ever going to be a hundred percent during one of the things that happens is is as more people. Evolved and always goes now share the small select that says the latest, but I don't mean to be that way when Twitter first started out, it was just a kind of the kind of like minded. People was great. And then everybody gets in there and it becomes like the real world, which is a mixed bag. Yeah yeah and that's You especially see that on red it that its efforts,

what's happening to read, it tends to be. It tends to be better when you go with them but out of some right, you're separate it stay there yet, and you know why, because its accountability, is the smallest writers are more accountable? That's probably United States. However. We got shut down, ever separated shaped by oh you're, the first people of life. As you know, there is an interesting and absurd to talk about corporate structure again, but but there this idea. You know when, when when Richard Branson was kind of building virgin, when women went ahead, an offices would get to assert Number of people in the number was like one one. Fifty the idea or another that they would branch off and start a new office because they felt like any number of people above that, and then people start to disappear in this right, audible to one another thrice. What really is about fostering your specific community verses,

trying to make a strong appeal to the man. Don't you think it s written? I do I do because, when you get into the larger sub relativism, like our videos or our picks, the threads are so much more disheartening yap. Now people are there and there in the it's, it's like a garden if their tending it they're up voting system. it's good and its people really care about it. You really get a much, but when you get it and then you do get a great experience, it's a phenomenal experience nets, me about the an android. Where now see I could have worn like as you both got apple watch. I do, but I also just got the five people watches in the mail from you got your times. I did I got. I just got an email from contributed to the it started out it shipped dickie list. Amazingly, you know. Ten million dollar kickstarter credible ledges, but but now I have five pebble, watches my I don't know I only get to wrists what the Pebble Lodge was. They did that the fee, round. They re hazard. The kick started for that, and I was the most successful. Kick start

a million dollars worth three point: three million to this day it was basically it was basically what's on your wrist now, but but an open source lake do android an Iphone yeah, but it was more limited used a weird in technology and then they did. second rounds of starting and then they re ten million dollars and I'm no, I just I just kind of she'll because they need that. Yet the controversy is it Kickstarter, starting to look like a play People already have the money go just to say: well, it's Priscilla, and yet some excitement gets a marketing, will there exists a good topic than d? Do you? Are you because I I've icy both sides of that where I go well, people are adults if they want to tribute money to something it s. You can't, you can't say you're using Kickstarter wrong because ultimately, the it's for the community that Kickstarter says, and they really want to make this clear. We're not a store lobby will treat it like a store, we're all gonna, get that new pebble I'll go to kick start.

lock it in not by an years because they had it hedges their bats against having to potentially be in a situation where they have ten thousand, where launch of theirs in such a way? sort of way like get seed money right in the sense of like normally when people get seed, something they're getting it. Woody or you know royalty or something like nothing, you get enough for even the. Why yeah. Maybe you get the paradise. I've got all s, I'm still waiting for my I got some gaming dies. I ordered a hundred dollars three years ago and never nothing. I think it is known that, since you know kick starters more like Ebay, where you you or even an even more accountability, wave our accounting and there is another way, more accountability, you're an adult. Yet

you're doing. But maybe you didn't maybe thought your bite. You learn if someone selling something they have like five ratings, you did you don't where you don't want to. I think, but you are right that the value the kick started presence is really outweighs the net. The few negative I do. I do agree that it gets a little tricky if you know big giant companies come in because it happened. We ve been situations before where we wanted to make a film or make something in some of the railways is kick started, unlike we can't, because the perception we'll be oh you're accompanies you're on your own by legendary right you're, just trying to take money from people, and we can't we can't be perceived Veronica Mars. I mean they had. There's an example right and they raced where there is one where they re formally and that didn't make it, but I, but I think I think we wonder. Brothers was correct, yeah not divide, I think. In their case, though, I actually we're getting vote. I did support that, because Warner Brothers basically said Rob Thomas. This is a dead property.

I'm gonna make nominate, prove your raw fine lighted by a fine. If you go, if you can raise money for it, then we'll make it, and so I feel like I didn't. I didn't. I feel like that- may have opened the door for larger studios to go wait a minute, but I don't think the tension there was to take event ethical rules. There was an odd. It was just a creator and was tied to a studio that the only way this gonna hat and that's the way it out to the community- and I feel like that legitimate, but another cases yeah I mean. If, if you start, you know but went and said we'd like to do, now at sea. We want to give you a ten thousand dollar gold. Why would you be interested in? I think, I'm a little higher than I think so we know we thought about this too. We build a new studio without we'd gone, kicks are actually did we ask them and they said no right because we're and established entity that we could agree on any go, go somewhere else. What we actually labelling. Bricks d gone along that worked out great people, the name on the wall go here, we're carrying it like a small partner Disney. What is this need money for they did in the when they did that

they needed money. There were not like. We go? Don't that has ever go, go back to EPCOT and you walk through. Forget the spaceship earth. There's all these like They look like the and affords solitude their style bricks and there's the little tiny plates. School of Metal Europe will have to face is on their you're thrilled right. I didn't sell nearly as many as they put up just now. It looks like it yeah shitty thing. For no reason- and maybe some there's dead people in their yeah. What's going on it's you know the inn in theory, crowd sourcing is great. I mean in theory everything great, invertebrates, an optimum level. Right, I mean remember: we set the whole Gus dimension Toto Not everything is good. Adam. I argued area barracks one or two percent across the board

but the, but the idea that you know when Twitter first launched and people still have this- they were coming off of Myspace, where you know. People go my God will. If you have a lot of followers on Twitter, I mean that's gonna mean without realizing. Oh, it's a different people can see what differently and it doesn't operate rain way. People don't go just park themselves. It follows what are you have to follow? You have to be able to keep up with the stream. You know what they are doing, and this is the other gone through tough times, but what there Well, you know this. As you know, the corporate structures goddammit Y know I know Dick is leaving in July and Jack's Catholic Jessica, partly Dignan, Iris yeah well, we'll see yet Jack Dorsey claims to a fount of founded twitter. So if he'd like has every interest in curing usher, but I realise that it is true that the real value of twitter is in real time events not like weather, american Idol or Ferguson and

you really want to do, is go to twitter and see what's going on it's hard to do because, as you know, it's kind of a mix so they're gonna created. Who experienced the kind of in the middle. You press a button on the Twitter homepage and you'll see what the like the big breaking story is, whether the Oscars or a big, an Egyptian, that Egypt uprising You can follow it and they're gonna have life human editors curetting it then I say these are the great pictures of the great tweets that smart is that I have a lot of hope because whenever I hear live human versus algorithm either I get I get very excited better, because I've seen actually made of people. It's made a people and seen I've seen I've seen. Companies were beholden to the algorithm, and it is a very it's. A very sexy mathematical thing all if a computer can just tell you what you like, but then it, but a computer doesn't know how to give you things that are

key which you might that's a good point is: whenever I go to Amazon, they try to some stuff already bought exactly as you already. I know that I bought it. We risky, I think I think I think they offer me some Havana Cigars dad would we risk? I think one of the one of the craziest things that happened was you know how you tube used to be The Youtube homepage is to be created by humans, and so I was very much is not anymore. It's creates its algorithm. They got me last night I was gonna bet at eleven. Am amazed plopped up this very like John Schofield, giving a forty five minute talk about jazz, guitar and as our water that so that, for the mind they saw, you come and proposing a fucking that's better! Based on your interests, because I didn't you because a lot so a lot of the time they're going to be right, we go my god. I liberty like these. They will go. That's why Google has such power, they know so much about you. They see all your searches, they see what you buy.

see what your emails, but they don't know how to surprise you they die. truly enjoy. No, you know like if, if you, if they know you like jazz, keep firing, you jazz songs, you know a human being, Miko was these countries are my country will just try that's it knows about, it could probably self that by throwing in like a little wildcard stuff, everyone's algorithmic, we do yeah. I mean it's like you know few, if any of the music services in a lot of them, you can adjust the like how tight, plants and give us a wild, be nice if you had, but, but I still think you know but the truth is you do want your airline reservation, not somebody else's rattle have you surprised by that shit right, so there are things that they are giving you in my google. Now that's the stuff that you want to know your bills. Do your part here here, like the the recommendations, the ad algorithms, those that they have those suckers their legs, stupid, specific

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cancer ban area everywhere. So at an end it wasn't and they weren't real. They were placed well and hence that you know like those. We like an onion article or others like as an examples like reading one and then there's just can't oh yeah, oh yeah, I know it's there I'll keep giving money a little too. I know it's so sometimes the ads art respectful is sometimes the places you go on respectful of the ads that are place there, and there is this kind of you know this, this human dissonance. That happens. I think that's exactly what the main people recently Laurent Happy with Google, it's not so much the Google's looking forward! one is that the big they cross, the creepy line where they put the stuff right now that I'm seeing that add, because of you, What are these people more than anything else? I think I think people are that worried about Google, knowing you haven't its basic. if you were, you know you by one thing: for the rest of the day I've fallen around like you? Just do a search wants and what with right now

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You say I'm. I need to get somebody. I need a valet here. Wherever you are, you drive down to the shop they come and they will blue jackets. They come up on the scooter. They take your car, they wash they filled it up, and then you tell him when you want to back and they bring it back. Let's Scalia LUX Al, you see it's a damn. It's like talk about convenience, and then they dont San Francisco and its cheaper than parking in San Francisco. They have their own. Of course it is someone every goddamn nightmare. You never find parking. You never planet, so you just say: I'm gonna be look beyond Montgomery. Sixty Montgomery put pick up my car and the guy in the blue jacket chosen until until people just people realise that they just need to go by blue jacket and in free car already is you're, just gonna have a school you'd. I must go to how'd you get here since the scooter there isn't one of those laugh all. This is not an efficient manner Some have skateboards yeah, there's like a razor there's. Some they have a service in England where, if you get shit face than a pub, you can call up the

service and a guy in a motorcycle later motorbike that Van folds up and goes in your truck and they drive with your cars and then make get out and take this vote as I can safely later, and then that's awesome likewise. That here that should be. You know, I honestly can't. I think I think in some senses we're just too big for our cities to beg. Our country is too big to implement things like that. wide wide, wide worldwide scale right. That's why they're only in certain cities, it Owens only in certain cities, Baywatch Twizel, I'm back! What's going on right now and what's going on with goober and their drivers not being considered contrary s, Data California says their employees, and so how does that change there I'll have to pay benefits that they have to pay so perhaps Dispenseth who has been dispensed voice? I think that's gonna, let out goobers very

Who is fine, and you know what I'm, if, if that means that the drivers then have to have an extra hoop to jump through, To ensure that their quality driver, when I don't mind that better for the consumer you don't want. We don't mind that no another doing fine their raising a shit money over in China right now. I think so. I think there that's an example. That's why you see things like silver coin. Luke's is that this was such a success. That ever bases are this. Is this what you are the sharing economy or something. But this is the next big thing. We're gonna jump on this press a button on app something great happens, but Goober had a thing labour with lightning in a bottle, because you know, unlike our service like live any of any other ones as though Luxor whatever Buber based. We took our pre existing infrastructure. There are drivers right, just sitting in their car there right, fashionable drivers or just sitting in their cars unused

news. Let's that's what you look like a new resource, less, let's tap into that they and they spotted that and that's very hard to do- have a friend who's the pay foreign capital of the most of the pay from king of the? U S, pay phones, still still so what eighteen t used to do? Pay phones, TAT Business rate teenty, or only a million and a half a year, so this guy goes data in tee and says I'll take over the pay phones. They still need pay funds with a lot of places, but vague as people have people. Don't have cell phones the huge market, for they are cellphones by the way now and but the but there they are you're, not landline landlines interests there. Wireless and the key to this get this. The most important technology in this is ruining the drivers to go, get the coins, because you need to do this efficiently enough. It is profitable right interests. I gotta pick up the coins. That's the problem! Hey gotta go get the coin pneumatic tubing system with every other. Yes, the hyper loop, so

figure that out then. So that's a good business he's doing. Well is what else can I do with these? These were this routing software, adding technology. He now owns all the nest sleaze ice, the other of the Fraser with ice cream here before You got a service those efficiently right, you run at one kind of bar yoga and what he did was it also wireless, they get the telemetry in them and they know what the wages of the whole thing cheeses and when the wake us below a certain point, the truck comes services it it's all software cell technology S, the last I used to pay phone. I had to use it because Major League baseball, I moved out ass, a Dana from boston- and I was trying to use the app and they do the thing we're like your blacked out if they think your ip address and rights wherever and they couldn't for some reason, couldn't get a fixed, they thought I was still a message: uses my ip, I guess you wouldn't let you watch the reds. I would let me watch Aurettes. So we had to have was like I was like: will colleagues phone and

like well know it's a cell phone, you could be anywhere unlike Jesus Christ. I just want to watch a base giving us twenty dollars a month. I was like their ideology. Phone or we call you aunt em, like I mean they ve, that's exactly what I had to do to find the nearest pay phone with this person phone in New York and like ok, here's the phone number of its pay phone and then they called me on the paper. I picked it up in a good friend. They believe much that shitty reds and what happened They were like. Ok, well, you know what I mean. Did they win? I've gotten has Pablo doing panda sand of off the alley liked Trot Instagram on Wednesday are you really hours of close and well. It was violation of league and tax rules too. Like I'm, like a picture to six thirty p m, all major league baseball players ass. We go yet arc social need. Why? Because there's gotta be invested in agreement, I can't be checking their fuckin phone. In the middle of a game so the middle of a five to lost the unanimity that why would he he said he just he said it slipped?

I had to go. Take a love of cholera. Us just picked up like the couple So did you guy aims like some? Whatever diva you like, some, ladys photos on Instagram and they said the cinema game, because their law minded as ridiculous. You no actually, I can compare this. This is because we had a sort of age. You don't even think about it, it s about what time nobody is board anymore. No, but you know what's happening what we ve traded for boredom is short. Attention sprang out only short attention spans, but also we have sacrificed We have exchanged boredom for time and what I mean is that, because we are distracted at all, times it feels like we are not known. The passage of time will be over before you NEO, once it's the middle of twenty fifteen, a prevailing how's, the middle twenty fifteen. It's because you're phases in your phone, other guy you're, not worse than that you're not paying its autumn is the gateway to creativity. Creativity comes out of boredom right and, if you're not board,

anyone and no one ever is youth. You watch you watch. You go anywhere bus, stop anywhere, somebody wouldn't maybe just kind of board. Now there. On board or distracted yeah, and we welcome that. sure, but we're not right in the next big symphony, you're thinking about their. What's that, what was the painting I'm gonna make? You know to be fair. Most people are not going to write. The egg is really, I think, most people selling Whistler's mother, but I'm a legally. What are you doing for selling cigars and with it I think most most people are just trying to distract themselves from today's else. Right. You know if you don't want to be you'd want to be alone with up, and here it is one I like look at God now you just one get Instagram and think we're in a look up on our death Bengal shit. What happened? Yes, of course, the grain of electricity, I gotta, like I gotta like this. Last is less leverage is less self like fuck you, MIKE.

changes are Wikipedia page, I think. Well, you know I mean when we're all uploaded to machine consciousnesses can't wait. I have this thing. Where am? I I think it gives a thing that a lot of people have and it always cracks me up where you you you're you're. Throwing a lot of you're. Throwing of your borrowing, future health and happiness by doing things now without really thinking about the consequences. Go on thirty years, they'll be able to fix that, and I feel like I've been saying that in most cases that's not gonna be the kid. That's probably there, its prey, they're, probably not going to be able to cure everything in you know within thirty years to get it to work yet already granted lungs, trade April deadline has led us that I mean I do feel like that, but I do feel like there with him.

Yes, I do feel you know, though, Harriet Day after you die. Of course, son of a bitch someone's gonna run it with a three printed I got it. We delay he just like this. pick or pity upon his gun. I I want virtual reality for the one I want to just hope and I'm some get me in the home soon, and I want to have a look at me all of you I want, able to lie there and just enjoy life, but without moving up right. It's like real and exert gets like the surrogates. That would be cool, I don't want. You know you have to put some. I don't know I mean that's, that's starting to get closer to the have you made our ever I'll you the helmet fur porn. No, oh, my god, I not get wow. Is it third

and first person, first person of aid, but I'm not sure I know what that means, but I think it's I mean. Are you watching other people? It is a familiar you're, the will your AL you're, the guy or the gal sure and I now have a great appreciation for what it's like. Be a woman in one of those things so you're. No, I don't know how I can only imagine the where their shooting this they have one of these, No surrounds cameras right with the performers head would be right, and yeah, your youth, it's immersive look around, you can look up it's kind of weird cause: you're, gettin and you'll look up, but when you're a girl, you look up and there's a guy looking at, you smiling and it's free. We will, of course, because you're all the sudden in Oregon you're in a poor, you're, all the sudden and a porn, but I but I but you Also do then you go, I see where this is going I mean you really can start to cease. Surrogates absolutely. You can really start to see where the Zen its did you really strange days. It's great movie, late, nineties, refined

started watching and was very odd. It's really cool and in a lot of it, has to do with that peel VII Viii, a virtual reality like you, can store experiences and memories and not just watch them back but you're absorb like you get Jackson, your brain and you know What that I want to be able to me. That's a solution to all of this instagram. I just I can have other peoples, but what is it with it with determination that just like? getting out in living a life ass, a lot of We are do you lie in their they're doing the work. I guess so I don't know, especially because what is lacking is coming on next year, the airline extra early next year. We don't price point on rice with ass. They said that plus a pc of about fifteen hundred bucks on say by five hundred bucks right. You have to have a high and gaining pc. You do obviously sure I could tell I do I do. I want to see this Microsoft. Solomons might be interesting, although mixed reviews on that right, That's coming out probably this year, but you can get the gallop.

If you ve Galaxy Fund get the galaxy via thing, which is an oculist rift device. He put your phone in Scotland or bucks for they had said an end you're looking around out there two demo where you're in the middle of the search and your seen, an u turn to another performer mind. You actually led to my feet and and started looking around cause. I want to see- and you look the former yeah, I guess what they're doing, is they're all performing the cameras. If the cameras looking at them is the minute you look at them, it's like their interact there, but talking to you there interacting with you, it was really amazing and of the resolution's low and there's no answer today's Europe, a boy you really get a sense of, has happened. there is. I went to a party that a friend of mine, through my friend, I M, ready, Pickford and everyone's gearbox erroneously Christie, your great great great people- and there was that they had this augmented reality demonstrate. I'd was fucking, so it was so bad

I think we can all be walking around all the time and you'll have a I'll, see you but I'll see a thought bubble of above your head. Yes- and you know that when you couple that, with a little bit a happy like such an incredible, is I mean you really do feel like you're, like I'm an ex man like me, I really do feel and cause you're still in the real world. It's not That is our aim in yoke. Nausea lcd really cause you seeing the real world superpower but stuff Superman this. What you time at risk were imposed on the real Europe. So I think that's really compelling YAP and it's going to be any different experiences. Not immersive is Google. they updating glass. While they see her. I don't know, that's a big flop. I think yeah, but who has bought a number of companies that do this kind of stuff, both augment it in virtual reality seal their daily in the business a new? Do you think this was basically just a big beta test for something as they were, collecting data has, if you think about last year, where the glass I put

What is it if its, not virtual or augmented reality, just a screen over your eyebrows, rational you're looking around and you look up and you can see a screen. So it's as if you have a computer kind of in front of you all the time and right you can look, you can refer to First, there is not even a heads up display it, so it's not immersive. In that sense, I, but I do think that they get. What they wanted to do is get a lot. You hit the nail on the head gather data. About how people use that, in real world environments, it's a first step towards something else. I think I mean I've been omitted whom everybody wants. A fedora people who would wear glass will be where I think it really they got together and maybe that's where I went wrong. Yes, metal hipster for That's none of your nerves, period of learners. Ok, I'm sorry! I I you know if you can to me with augmented reality. Contact lens. I may I maybe on board, but angel has a patent for that, but I do think that deadlines

I can also tell you glucose level in your blood, so diabetics where and no immediately how they're doing that actually have a patent on, then that is something there make it in their vast research lapse, but the dangerous part is due. Human beings need more things to distract their duration argued. If all the trap like, I feel it's, you can't really said, till there are self driving cars. Because you're going to go on working on that doing we're now? together the whole plan here now, I've ever ever since total recall. Of course I wanted to Johnny Cab here, but if everything everything has as yet the jobs GAD one. It was late when its pigment or my ass of everything has a screen that you use. Why? What do you mean? Yet this other scream in your eye beyond a name like? Why can't something or because you want. I want to look at you and I want to have twat appear over your head. It's going to end its augmenting. Its argument and reality so that you, you know you walk, it is

any scene in very when its working, the way it should use, got two children named on in the? U S, exactly evasively works, the same way terminator vision or I wear your seeing the print out of everything. You're saying you know you walk into a retail establishment as though checkers more, you see, you know all this is this is this work into well as you're right. It's not working. You know they're at E3 a few years. I mean I'm sorry at Dempsey. Yes, a few years ago there was, there was real. I really thought inductive charging services we're gonna, be everywhere like this desk yeah. I just put my stuff down it short. There was that there was a display, their that had the cereal boxes and and the shelves there would be no. They were approximating as grocery store shelf in the shelves. The shelving was all inductive, Sir a surface, and the boxes were all printed with. You know with ink that had electric charge in them so,

when you would set it on the box like a box of lucky and on the surface, the Box of lucky charms would anime like up like a Vegas sign, and I thought I thought this is amazing and I thought inductive charting servers. I've got like getting rid of the wire would be such a big and I'm start like Starbucks. Now they have these inductive charging rings that you can put it on and they have We still have a gonna, yet we move in the realm of the kitchen. Food sort of staff, as I want there to be, sensors them in your pantry. In your fridge that know exactly what's in there. Then a display on your side, Avis, many, that's what I I want to display on your fridge. That tells you the recipes you can make all that with nothing? You're? No, I like that. And there is that you have pickles and milk. You can make milk pickles

that's what it's gonna end up being area needs Whistler's. Will you know you know, I think the best thing about that of seeing the sub credit that develops the ship it people make based on what the milk pickles. I think. I think I think, that a separate it's called milk, pickles, someone's, etc are slashed milk pickles there. I think it's there right now to create that due to plug anything like this is fine and you have to very nervous. I was very nervous. You talk to very, very, very big celebrities and and Mark Marin's get Obama. I thought this is like you know, I'm telling you I feel so much more comfortable. This is fun. This is vital like. I am, of course, if they, the White House, called and said you want Obama. I'd be like, of course I would. I would also be terrified because I think we're going to be interesting. This you know Mark Super Indy and mark is now us an erotic as hell any only a match and how nervous he's gotta be involved is now stepping into a war ass, like so Indy, watching all of the watching, all the Pandit state pundits dissect

Galvanise thing as if it was does know, has no idea as a you know, humming it. So it's I think, he's gonna get. I think it's just going to Four comedian mark Maroon interviewed the president. I mean not only its. I mean it's amazing and its great for him and I think it's great for podcasting, because I it constantly the validation of war, the more people you know we're like is because our senior now the morning, the veto, the fact that this is happening in podcasting legitimizes pod cash for everyone. I dont you know attic. I kept on at least some of my business partner, not use the word packets I feel tat. You feel like it's a little dominion diminutive using a lot. It was by feel like it used to be, but I feel like its it we're back Gavi Rhone, because because sometimes people try to georgia- and I said we like casting and that just now like bad there's, no word FARC in Iraq. That's a promise, no alternate. I think part can hang. It asked footprints

having progressing. Is. Is the perfect word now I don't I don't my stuck with it. I think if we tried to make it anything else, it would seem like we were trying to sound more rights than than we are blogging. The same thing and even said earlier, blogging was kind of like some again is jammies in his basement. Right and you don't say that impose a blog anymore. No, but I mean it as I have you look read anything, that was really is no advance, so I just feel like but there is no better word. So your road just isn't a better word yeah. I think that's just. I think that's just what it is and I think trying to rebranded at this point would but I've been trying for years. You know because obviously success as best as much as we think podcasting has permeated. Germany has it hasn't. Seventy percent of all Americans have listened ever to one pot. Ask me recently like so: do you think the podcasting bubble is birth and like it hasn't, even it there burnt, hearted, lawless up? First them all burst the great the great equalizer will be when getting upon

asked, is as easy for people as turning on the radio in their carver saying that for years its bit there, it's you know at the Apple Itunes took a couple of steps out of having closer and closer you. Now we really have a real player and like cannot Morbus file the now everybody with a mobile devices apothecary to it and ill two steps it still. I go into the go and how the engine a button then go and find the thing and people dont know it still overwhelming because they think it's violently with young, but when it, but when it starts, a bleed over and you know it when cars are going on. This is your podcast right channel one. There is, as we are doing, video and live video at that is I really wanted to be like a tv station you just or even a radio station. You just turn on and it's always on is always I'm going on, you got to pick a show it just a continuous stream and that's actually working

Well, it's not working as well as I thought, amidst a fraction of our total audience, but that that works. That works, because its denizens, hot and cold running podcast dredged turn on the tap something's going on in. If you narrow enough we're narrow enough that people no kind of what the Canadian right right, I think Netflix should do that to have a curated sort of like you can have legs many curious. I couldn't guarantee knows. Timorously is growing all the time and it runs Alla time and you just gotta. Couldn't dirtier stream and whatever the FUCK movies planets plan, because really that's how you gonna get, they can do that without quitting guaranteeing oh, but they should do it. They should. But it looks like this lever you're like celebrity play less example: Turner Glass exploded. Lastly, sets executive. They do in that and I turn out. Diana it's funny, because we, the other on the

side that the reason pie guessing was a success because it really recognize the people, wonder, listen whenever they want to listen wherever on demand right there, and that was the real success a buck passing. So this is kind of. I think you need to do both giving ethic Netflix should do is charged like two dollars more month and whatever Whatever special features exist for that movie have access to them. I miss like an audio commentary that these laws- that's all they need to do much more at, but just to peep. I think people are even do audio matters and director is there a way I want it, but I don't want to do. Is dying. It's a shame I mean that's. What's that that's the loss of their dvds gone, but I agree Itunes does that they might turns extra. It's not the same. I don't know, I don't know how well that's your either. Maybe too afraid I just I just do you know about violent when there's some there, like that, still less Anderson Movie, but it's not it's. Usually few extra, seeing as I wanna hear Wes military all the way through it. I want to hear,

but he didn't. Why did it in and in that's, and that was the best thing that was a couple of years. We got there Now there are replaced by blue raised, will make the best commentaries, the godfather Blu Ray they ve got a couple of commenting on the first godfather all the way through where he says you know it to take the gun, leave the can only. made that up just to know that is awesome. I wasn't in the script he made that there is little things like that. It's fabulous LEO. I am, you are welcome to come back as many times as you got, and I want you on our show. I would love to do I'll drive me. I feel like this has been building for you, communicating and communicate with people from year to year. We really want to give you an apology for and then scheduling was always a pain in the ass and I apologize I thought than yours, but but I will make a work, but I would love to make it work. Has this is fun we please. This is fucking great,

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