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The southern sort of a country. Ask old, tiny, sound she's, a fantastic boys just as a new ever called cigarettes and truck stops, and, and so we cannot became pal we're Facebook. I said in LOS Angeles, wherever they may be less pod catch, so she said sure were to swing. How studios wee wee chatted for little better than she played a song. It sounded amazing. So here. She is Lindy Ortega on the nerves, podcast number four, forty, nine music discovery gay on us to close the Friday. The thirteenth will, I think, those two guys are related music discovery Friday, the thirteenth we should More now mean Minister COM,

It doesn't feel like up like a weird job interview. It can I tat like those in yes, yes, you describe hold holding like like a muslim aunt yeah just hold out like a Muslim, and we could armrests over the entire podcast amended at. Would that be? We know that the US recording over there? It is happening Wendy or take its happening, I'm want to go into airplane mode or podcast mode. So we don't get interrupted. It's good to see you and it's really exciting, to have you on the bud. I discovered you in London like almost two years ago, when an NGO

London, England, London, England, I was. I was shooting some stuff for BBC over there and I was in a production van and they were just listening to the radio which is can we really do in LOS Angeles, because we don't it's a big city, but there's not a lot of radio that I would want to just sit and listen to and about You know England is very progressive and they have good radio music and they played one of your Christmas songs and I instantly I SAM, the shit out of me, then bought the ten is Christmas yeah, but since Christmas alum and it was one situations where I was like every song like. Oh this one's awesome, oh shit, this one's awesome and then, of course, but the next album, and then you say me the third that the third item that I have of yes assets so anyway, I don't know

about you at all. That's why we're here to find out. I want people to know who you are because they should listen to you tell me: where are you from? Let's start at the getting the outer reaches of the galaxy. That's really also thank you for to our planet, a beamed myself down spends music right. I'm from Toronto can yeah initially I live now in Nashville tendency to that happen. After rub Ford, No. That happened before I've escaped all that crazy, but I hear again I get window it sometimes yeah. Me, I've been living in national for two years now. I did know Canadian, but I dont. So what is the country seem like in Toronto? With? Did you there's not a pig Another big, hence the move, not a big countries in in Tirana, I mean it's, I think it's starting to be. Accepted now than it was when I was making music. So so

Others is its more accepted, but I just thought I should be in Nashville. Where are my country music heroes of either? You know, through and spent time their tested offer However, whatever people do this letter, history, that's undeniable others workers, I remember so. I know I know Tennessee and others. No history meant no there's no hurry. Now, it's like we're trying to catch up to now. I love Memphis, but Nashville as is sort of like. Smaller slightly cleaner Memphis in a sort of elegant, clean, elevated, politically Emmy. Those definitely you know like down. Downtown Memphis has a lot of three and of course be illustrates very tourist ye, not that nationals not doesn't have its tourist. Yes, you know just what Nashville, just walk it. What's that, what's the street, the main dragline Broadway just walking into your and a bar there and seeing Fucking world class musicians just jamming it's it's pretty mine blowing.

Sazen yeah, it's very inspiring, which is part of the reason as well. I moved move there, unlike Tammy Lynette on a bender right now, I'm sorry! That's what touring does your vote, though you go, you gotta do the draw if you're too, so I tell me you're sorry right now, I'm real sorry. Madame sounds like these, but I was out party in and drank and lies Massey, that's what people in a country like it, it's a virus. If we about the seventies reverend just way, strung out on all barbecue, it's in booze that tobacco some barbecue. It's really, then I'll. Be I just? U needs of workers. I dont know what part it's our slogan, that was a thing in the seventh warned us about in school. Don't take my biological sounds like a fucked up thing to do to using it sounds like a drug that makes your lip heavy wherever they live, but but but when you realise that, when did I dont know how those people- word and did all those drugs and dynamic, as you really have to focus and have your wits

you you do now when people are Youtube in everything we do every back, then, if you had a crappy show it took a little while for it to get around. You know now it's like great on online. So so as an artist, you feel like there's more pressure because your essentially always perform. For the world pretty right. Yeah you're always like this doesn't matter the cold or whatever, like nobody, cares that that goes up online and in its there there's no you can do about it. Is that make it harder for you to try out new stuff? If you, if you're you know, if you want, make sure like. I want try this out, but I don't want anyone to know if it doesn't. If it isn't. Using right away. I don't wanna pressure where we tried at a news on last night, so I don't know, there's something endearing about it. Sometimes, when you have an audience its excepting overview, trying things out and date, they like it if they feel that their part of it, you know, so we did it. We did it do at last night there was a lot of fun kind of like almost like Jackson, you know the Johnny Cash, John Carter. Cash yeah, it's kind of that, via than it was

I mean was perfect, but it was a lot of fun how'd. It go first of all your ultimate plan, of course, go back to Toronto and and bomb? A country music see you have to bring it back to Toronto at some points? Maybe I don't know why I'm gonna end up going to let you know I'm a tumbleweed tumbleweed that might betraying with a bundle, staff and just get off and start a nine show somewhere here exactly how our people, our people, I mean now, there's you know it's there, there's there's not really MTV for artists. There's that mean, I guess, there's you know vivo or you can put but videos online, but how your main way of getting out there doing just two bringing myself physically to the people and putting on a really great show and hoping that they'll tell their friends so my role around there will be. Your crowd and word of mouth has been really

biggest thing, and I have a great label- is really stuck by mean. Helped me do my thing in it's been awesome. So when you're doing with with country music. Obviously, you know there are standards that you can play in their. Certainly, I feel like a lot of people, Darwin standards in a sort of spin off of their to kind of figure out what their voices are. What what it is that they want to say so, when you, when you cited like hey country. Music is definitely the thing that that kind of drives me. What was it that you wanted to say why you know I'd really think about it. I just I just stare when I'm writing songs. I just right from my own experiences. Nine. Ninety five percent of my songs, besides the ones about bearing people in the backyard are from my home. Experiences, and so I don't. I don't really think about. What's gonna sound, really country, year not in my love of country really comes from stems from my mom's love of country, so I grew up listening to it and she just me

we fall in love with all things southern and I know it Yeah cause I'm from Toronto, and I shouldn't I shouldn't have this deep love for it, but I do, and I can't really explain it- part of its just sort of innate. I guess you were just called. I was called the fear that the country wins cousin. Evidently you know it Here. I hear a lot of different kinds of country influence and there too, I hear a little bit of glass little rock ability, there's a little blue grassy, there's a little bit of traditional country and, and so is era, is there there are specific sub John. Rather, you really feel like speaks to you the most or is it just kind of like tv channel or from whatever I just pulled from everything that inspires me and it just comes out like that. So yeah, it's again, it's not something ran like I'm. Gonna go more like this and more and more like that or whatever I just. I just do

what I do and I don't really know how to explain it. As I love country, l of all kinds of country, browser, lovely use in Seoul and Rock and roll All the classic stuff thing: you know that sort of prison yet the eighties, like you have to be somewhat miserable to right good countryside, we let need so much of it is like dealing with tragedy in dealing with sadness in dealing with loss, and you know it. You feel like that's import for a country, music I guess it. I mean a lot of people. I said preceding image as a post eighties, Sarajevo is correct, is correct. Myself, there yeah again, I don't. I don't think about it. I feel like I draw. I was a daughter of you. Immigrant parents growing up in Toronto, my mom Irish, my dad mexican yeah. So how did they find each other? They

They can't Canada crashed into each other on his skating rank in City hall in Toronto and in there, and then they made me, and was that a result of the crash against international terrorism comprising labour pregnant yeah? Well, you know I do come from outer space that they needed a vessel May I just so I was lonely. I guess growing up, because I was an only child and have others are sisters and scan of weird was kind of a loner and schooling bullied. When I was known, let you schools in Canada yeah, it happens everywhere. Yad yes No, they say Canadians are so nice and they are, but I was fully and- and so I just stem- I just I draw from those that those feelings, I guess and put them into my music because I feel like, loneliness is inherent to the human condition, and we all we are go through it so yeah. I write about it because I

dont, want to evade, feel lonely all the time and hopefully, if they know that, I feel it to you that they know that all its being human and its? just them going through it. How many knights errant weeks a year. Are you during his opponent stuff? during all the time tat. I think I too early six state months after is it enough waiting to go to a city like Nashville, you know that I mean I just the sort of similar to You're, an actor you go to LOS Angeles insight goes a million and a half after how do you? How do you sort of squeeze in to the scene and how do you kind of plant your flag as like? No but here's I'm different because of this reason pledges massacre everybody in not at all year for me moving to Nashville as it was sleep, history, lesson I want go where were the history, Wizen retraced his steps and go to the country, music hall of Fame and the and and learning things and I

the team assembled before I move to nationals, it wasn't about getting a record dealer getting age sir. Anything like that, and it was really the change of scenery in a challenge to myself too. To see. If I could do, to see if I could leave all my comforts and home in my country and to start somewhere in fresh new and and if it was possible, and so is a challenge to myself. How do you forces after right, when you don't in writing. I don't ever forces feel like forcing it never yields any good results. So I just I just left hit me and if its not hitting me certain moment, I just put it away and come back to it when it feels more natural. Do you feel like music? Is the main relationship in your life? Oh yeah, I have absolutely yeah yeah right I mean I wouldn't traded for anything. Is a spoon Zurich, else that you want to do

were we ask what I will do, what I want to chase tornadoes you wanna do We too are NATO Keyser I have I am and so nerdy for that? Yes, it does it have you to choose any turn it. Sometimes I make people in going their cars because I don't drive. So that's like the first suggesting that I need to do in order to chase a tornado, but I've been out with friends and a storm systems rolling through, and I hear some messes, iconic rotation and, unlike we Get on that. We got cheese that super cell telling North North EAST serious got really strong when she right now to understand that, I think you can pride your whole album and you have you ever thought about writing about it. Earl Tornado, but then just letting people think that it's about for when I do it, why does that was? Maybe I can't reveal my secrets I got if I could convince you do anything anything, even though you know

We have a human. She do one thing it would be to write like a country's my best friend and I wrote a series of countryside. We were at a comedy band, a series of country songs come from the south, a rarity told you that, but about a basin. They were country, songs about science, because no there had not been. Three songs. His eyes, yeah. That makes them assent. So let me road, we wrote about a lot of things we wrote about their We didn't. What did we would we write about? We wrote if we were to Sancho definite king, which is all about the literal process that happens when a body dies allow through the lens of elvers price which, over Spencer, upset at ah, but he died yoga. Go and then, and then we would another song was we're about the carbon cycle alike because it just country music. It feels like such a great way to express all that stuff? So if you can do it I would beg you to write a

literal meteorology song, a tornado, saw share and just have a bee supersize locally rhyme with measures iconic rotation see it's not that easy. Harmonic love nation, Yes, that's great, not going to put it all together. There's this is like a lot of rotation is not in their rhyming dictionary. I know it's hard detergent. But I'm going to do in other free. Will you please I'm telling you that I did. The nerves would go ape shit if because it is one that is really great? It's a song. That's about something! That's science e! It's actually a good song. At the same time, yeah. I think your voice tornadoes I would Billy concerned about, and I want to impress the notes because I feel like I'm an earth has look at me, I'm dressed as a nerd right now for you, but you really feel that way. You really feel IVO, I was, I ve always been inert. I am and earned Fisher. So what

that made you feel that way when you are growing up. When I was cool- is ethical at school and outside it, and I was obsessed storms and gas there was a goofy dorky historic yard. The word, yes or no all sort of the you feel like those with this needs of of country ism of like I don't. I'm I'm, I'm a fish out of water Mexican, an Irish but Canada, maybe maybe designed to some extent we french as well, not I speak more spanish than who frightened of go. Let's go so. What is your citizenship? Then? I have canadian citizens to have confidence in it Don't get automatic irish citizenship for where I could have, but I had to do it by a certain age and I'm a hundred and seven now so I'm way past age, but so when you national are you performing every night

now, you know that's how I go to relax, I do we do national on like we likely on the tour, but I dont really play as much because I'm I'm doing so so very rarely there. To be honest, Where have you seen a lot of America? This point? Yes, so what are you? What is your favorite thing to do when you roll into a jury? Five where'd, you do. We share the money for that now we jiving quarters of an hour van. We called the Warders Van Ryan Access is packed the brim and there's no place to put your fee. Its gets really spend when you live in the light. The dream: that's the dream, has the dream: I'm telling you when you are making billions of dollars- and you have fancy like you know, Loretto in style to whereby you'll be bored. I gotta be comfortable the first time, but I promise you look back, I'm in advance that Shitty Van Gogh room everyone's got their own boss. You know, like now, you're really cool

a binding experience in urban community is actually a lot of fun. Who do you think under the the main who's coming to your shows the mouse. Do you notice? Any consistency is in your audience It changes depends, whereas sometimes it's a lot of like older men and then sometimes it's like a lot of social demands. I opened first social distortion. Oh really, I did a few tourists opening for them and so on. Their fans have been really great. Looked upon scene has been really accepting for what I do and they have come out not a tattooed and rock a village kind, in girls and state actually call would you care to cross over is like what you think. The crossover appeal I think mainly because I think those kinds of fans, believe in people that have a lot of conviction and I have a lot conviction and what I do, even though it's not really in one particular lane way or John? I I guess you could say,

of music, I'm a bit of an outsider dont really fit anywhere so that the punk world, I guess, is happy to accept people that dont really fit anyway, and I think they also like the fact that you know I dressed in black and white, fan of Johnny Cash play about us, tar and in others an edge do what I do do. Do you think the lever a point where you know it's like is so that sort of thing mentality of I go we're always on the outside and we're fringe and were kind of going against the establishment and the eventually what happens. Lotta times's, you know, punk been actually becomes big or they actually do kind of become the establishment. Do you think that's bad thing like a jury, is there or is there a level of success that you're afraid over? Do you not think about that stuff, I'm not afraid of This is because it's taken me so long to get to where I am now that I feel it always forever. Have my mentality. I don't think I'll ever get weird about it. You know I mean have a lot of integrity. So I

will continue to have no matter what happens. What's? What's your dream scenario like when you think of you know when you're kind of sleep at night and you kind of invasion like some day sun on what is the Sunday is going to her with Willie Nelson and do it do at record with, in the in the middle of a tornado, the middle of it or NATO. We do to suit tour of twenty two alley playing your Europe. Your singing, you don't bring me flowers, with Willie Nelson onstage and is, I think, a good man, and then you have been a truck and chase a fuckin tornado re. That would be amazing, yeah, We are positive but Europe, but that a dream is not that's not I mean the exception, the tornado chasing. That's, not a crazy thing. And what about what you're doing Someone could see you. He could see you, someone could get a recording or see you on Youtube or whatever, and then the next thing you know you could that could happen. That would be amazing. I hope it does. How close do you think you are to something I don't know? I don't know it's funny. You know it's like it's over.

Actions and, like you said, random things. Were you hear somebody in it in advance something he heard on the radio free, never Well, here editor somebody, please, you know you for somebody here, God they see on tv I was I was, I not Nashville. The tv show I played myself and other people's river discovered my music just randomly. Seeing me on that so yeah, you never know what little connections are gonna work and who knows what? in a country radio. Now. I don't know I don't listen to. It really is a do the two Poppy ISIS, I, like vintage, sounds I love old, classic ways of recording into this autumn. Listen all that's. How do I find The format you know like the whole music grow aspect. Of nationalism there's

format that people fit and dead the music I like doesn't fit that format. Do you like how classic how like what typewritten a country like you re price fan, and I don't know too much. Ray Price, I'm gonna, Hank Williams, Johnny Cash, Whaley Increase Kristofferson, but I've been reading about re price a little bit in the air. Cash, you older, he's older square and songs or so goddamn. Sad like it is it's this saddest. I mean that it was like there was that style. Music, where there would be no like there would be like violins in the background, stringer strings? In the background, everything was like a yard. Down on mob law like everyone, everyone's breaking up into been sad, that it didn't work out and it's completely heartbreaking. But if you get a chance it sets out its economic efficient. Do you like that? Did you like that form that that kind of when Jennings stuff in the seventies were it started to get like. There was almost a little bit of fun

the fifth it in another country yeah. I mean I didn't schoolgirls wailing, you know, but I mean I always will prefer the old classic sound like, I love old old school, Dolly like the grass is blue and everything before that I'll, always love Dolly cuz she's. She is who she is, but an her music has definitely changed, but it's just School for me, I'm a truest. I guess we're going down like a dolly pardon you to grab at what I saw I need to the other day when she was wrapping for Queen Latif. What's that like still? I I started going to its like see in the eighties and eloquent she would surprise Kenny Rogers on stare and they would be in these lakes, stadiums of just tens of thousands the people and then watching that woman commands an audience and that then the voice-

I don't know how it is it did you did? You have a natural voice like that Do you feel like you? You really honed your voice. Well I mean I've been singing since I was about sixteen years old and I feel like I wasn't singing the way I do now when I was sixteen figures. I mean I I worked hard to to be a good thing. And am in it a long time, so I can't say I was came out of the room. You know singing amazingly of it, though I mean I didn't know I could have. I had a powerful voice China get people to shut up and listen to me sing in it in a bar or people talking really loudly and those like? How am I gonna get their attention and then I just started wailing, and then I realized man I can actually he had can hit crazy notes and stuff, and I didn't know that till I was like twenty two due to resources vanish, I've tried, I mean

I don't have any like releases in Spanish, but I can do basic aim of which is, I think, a spanish song and then a tornado song, I'm just I'm trying to help you plan the next album Manning. That's not I'd love to do with Mary, Mary out Jesus LAW, Mirage I want to have beverages in stages me Ella, like literate? Instead, you know it's a must be kind of. I mean. During artist, I'm sure there's, let us a vehicle be really good. Vague did is, but it's so expensive too. I mean it. I'm sure it's you can read. Kind of barely break even when you're on the road, and you have a bunch of gear and you have, I dont think people realize like what it's like for it for a touring artist, no yeah it's. We do have a lot of gear we ve decided to car. Are sure this time around the more crap tour of because we just decided to bring like keyboards an extra guitar so and there the point where we could couldn't fit one? we're thing into our back area. A very van- and you know me

my guitar player. We both have wrenched our arms and stuff, just like lifting staff and it's not the glamorous side of it by its allworthy when we're in applying the shows and in there's people there and their connecting to what we're doing or feeling it and that's what makes everything worth it you know, if a show like what. How do you know if a show is, is working, give a good sense of that. Yeah usually like these get, who in hiring going on people, look like having a great time- and yeah. You see. You sense that it's like her relationship when they give it to you, you give it back in its wake the better showing over everybody? If they don't do you kind of internal and just go okay. I just have to get through this or the or do you grab their? Do you essentially try to grab them by the lapel,

times where, if I feel like nobody's paying attention- or it's not- you know getting the attention, they didn't scourges that I will have a tendency to be more like interface about it. Yeah I mean and so lucky we have great people coming out to the show. So we don't really come by that too often I think one of the issues we combine every once in a while when we have eared, monitor, sounds like as it this when you, when you touring have like monitors. He can hear yourself, and sometimes there are like old and muffled e, unlike Bruce, bottom Andy and you sound like your singing through tin, can fit in the bottom of the ocean and It makes it difficult to hears off and that kind of effects how you performed sometimes gives you just don't hear yourself properly, so that happens, once in a while that people who know that stuff- maybe not- but I think sometimes

The hindrances are actually like. What can make a show special. Oh, I mean my guitar play, always as mere only as good as your last show, and it's always a good, a good way for like raising the bar for the next show and in its always get and humbling to have experiences. Where shows don't go awesome because just shows You can appeal, and why do you think that I think you are? I think people tend to remember the shows more like if you know the shows that go perfectly those great actually that went away was supposed to go, but I think you are, The shows Ringo yeah had a knock a guy off age and no one monetary headed, Dr Runner, but extra. In the next building so that we could play in nothing worked right, but still manage to make it work, yeah you're right those ones either most memorable. What are some your favorites is that you're in the states A new Orleans, it's one of my favorite- is to stir there kind of spooky to it that really caused me.

And I love the architecture I love being close to the swamp. I found a music video in the swamp, and I loved every second of it? So that's it! if ever I love doing Texas, discuss everybody's Hutton, Hollerin out there sure they're, they're, nice loud fine audience in cash. Else I don't so, it's always find allies. Fine San Francisco is finding it yeah. Ok, I was I guess not great for bans, sometimes, because I feel like it's I mean there definitely is a music seen here in LOS Angeles, but I always feel like it, so everything so spread out. You know that I don't really think of and a really think of. I never think I should go see music in emissaries undergo Zella, you know, but if I'm in another city of New York or if I'm in Nashville right, I think all we can probably go see some music, but I I wonder, sometimes, is because so many industry,

People in LOS Angeles, if it makes it kind of not a great place to perform because it's the audiences are just there just different than their places yeah. I mean the first time I've play here. I kind of that sort of industry via thing, but I mean I've, I've had a couple great shows at the hotel cafe which the ice little seen there so that that's been a lot of fine. So I can only speak for my own experiences. I I don't know, but and hopefully tonight we'll go out that's very great replied. The man would, yes, the men is fantastic. I had some friends of mine, that there is a sort of- turning to Bluegrass Bank because lovers and they were phenomenal- because levers yeah, but they will nominate. Action to writing. Amazing bluegrass music, with kind of weirdly contemporary themes, also they, bust out in the middle of the said, bluegrass version of it.

America's funniest Home video game really really really great banned, but the mints them has a lot of history and in even just the five of that room is big, I'd so see you in the middle of that could just it seems Fischer vibe really well. I play there once in awhile ago a long time ago, and it is very clear room and I love it. There's a Johnny cash painting right right beside the sound man's shoulders that every time I look at him, I can see Johnny Cash. What was a bit woody when you think of Johnny Cash? What do you see like? What is it that? How do you? How do you define him? he's he's somebody you I'd like to model my career after in terms of I think he so much more than a country, a country singer every, respects him from every genre from hip hop metal to park to country folk routes Nobody loves Johnny Cash and he was just able to be transcending, and I think it

because he was such a trailblazer in such an individual and so unique. Had a unique voice, and it was just a good thing that SAM Philip sits on record Zena, discovered that in him in and and helped him develop that amazing this and am yeah. Just just doing his own thing and sticking to his guns and going out there. According to record at fulsome, which was a wild idea in, but he went to do it. Even those label was like no, no and he's a longing to do it and you can put it out if you want to its and yeah I love everything from his songwriting to his voice. Did the way he conducted himself business. Wise now do do you feel, like you, have a Some idea just tell me what you really want to. I mean I've. I've brought it up on me. I wouldn't mind going to correct to facilities, will not allow any specifically, because you have like some sort of an idea that super you know groundwork here are just an hour or something it's very personal to you that normally so

where do I don't know if you should do that, and you go no I'm going to. I really need to do this I don't know, maybe nothing groundbreaking like that. I'm always coming up with crazy, crazy ideas, so I hope to fall. Through with all of them. I want to write a short, a book of short stories and they're. All about like too weird things like amputees falling in love in like an end and then like a person that runs a Morgan falls in love with her with a dead body in it this like weird stuff, and I want to have a song for every yes, every every short stories, like six short story, is an insult to to follow up and then put it together as I can eat peace, lash short story, but that's a fantastic When is this going to happen whenever Some time can you do you good at time? Ok! Now that either do you? What is Europe doing there are trails left to blaze. You feel like we interact with Johnny

you know he was part of what he had was sort of being in the forefront of kind of up of revolution in music, and he had a bit of timing on his side too. Do you feel like now? There are still trails left to blaze. Only in one respect and I would think that that would be the state country, music, radio. Given. What it is now I dont feel is a level playing field I think there are artists that are coming up now, that are demanding attention and down in and they are getting that attention and I think it's just a matter of time before the playing field becomes a little bit more equal and it's not just that one fits whatever's, formulaic, inform added to fit for mainstream country, radio, but also you know Will that are doing more routes year, classic stuff is not gonna be relegated to just o, Connor or all country, but will be allowed to be called country as well and he thought of in the same respect

and I hope I hope that happens- I mean the only that thing is like their people are doing it is he Mass graves is an example in, but you talk to but about her and oftentimes its for he was an anomaly and radio, it's like yeah she's doing it. He's kind of an anomaly and it's like I. You know for the day, and hopefully people will be trailblazing that Where is no longer an anomaly and it's an accepted form and it can exist alongside people our doing new country does fantastic and fight. Before you play us on what is your perfect son What's your perfect day off, red wine below my record player, with some man. Failures on house spinning? and dancing with myself with candles in the living room. Nice.

I really hope that you are. You are Davis aim access to media funds and, if you ever decide right, the tornado song. I would love to produce the video for it, because I'm telling you there the whole audience of nerdy folk. That if you sang a really social sciences song about tornadoes, I think you I'm not kidding when I say I think it would be a huge well I'm in love with astern chasing and tornadoes. So it's not you don't need to sell me. I will do it absolutely do it do. Do you keep recovery of twister, with. Theirs is not

scientifically accurate. So I can't get behind to a server lotteries and fine for Hollywood. It's good you're entertaining, but it's not scientists a little bit of a fairy to hear exactly so. What you guys are, I know you're playing the mid tonight's. We have to let you go in a minute, but what's wrong, you're gonna play wait. Now my luck to change Tokay and you're gonna tell it say anything about a form of where the sun was inspired about the from by. And to learn how to talk again. The sun was inspired by constantly touring and flat taking lots of flights, and I realized what well. I was flying that, no matter how crappy in horrible, the weather was on the ground when she got above the clouds It was always sunny, and I thought I was a good metaphor for people that were down on their luck, that Israel ok, Wendy Ortega. We will now had a transition over this play.

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way tat man large way in now, you always know darkness.

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